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From YouTube: 2023-08-21 WG Platforms - Maturity Model Project
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A
A
It
said
you
I
literally
learned
a
lot.
The
two
things
one
is
the
the
way
the
do
things
really
thoroughly.
You
know
again
again
go
to
the
really
make
it
precise
and
and
of
course
second
is
English.
I
think
the
way
you
go
through
the
rulings
yeah
I
really
enjoyed
it.
I
learned
a
lot
from
those
both
sides
of
that
nice.
B
Yeah
and
I
mean
I'm
enjoying
hearing
your
take
on
things
as
well.
I
think
it's
a
it's
an
important
thing
that
we
we
use
Clarity
in
our
language
right
and
that's
not
it
like,
obviously
there's
a
angle
of
which
is
you
know,
English
native
versus
non-english
native,
but
I
think
it's
not
just
that
right.
It's
also
based
on
what
your
background
is
and
where
you've
you
know
what
you've
done
in
the
platform
space
before
and
all
that
so
I
think
yeah.
B
A
B
B
B
C
Just
there
is
one
thing
from
my
side:
first
to
start
with.
Thank
you
for
the
time,
especially
because
I
this
is
the
first
time
I'm
experimenting
on
a
contributing
to
these
these
kind
of
initiatives
and
when
I
was
going
through
that
maturity
model,
documentation,
I
said,
like
wow
I
think
you
all
are
like
10
steps
ahead
of
me
in
terms
of
my
thinking.
C
It
was
it.
It
has
taken
good
amount
of
time
for
me
to
digest
and
then
understand
the
model
in
your
way
and
and
your
way
means
that
the
team's
way
of
writing
and
that
actually
kept
me
in
a
puzzle
that
whatever
that
I
was
thinking
as
a
matrix
for
measure,
is
it
going
to
be
really
work
working
or
not?
And
that's
where
I
thought?
Okay,
let's
talk
to
the
team.
C
Tell
me
let
me
share
what
I
have
in
my
mind
and
then
and
then
start
even
updating
in
documents
and
git,
because
I
don't
know
what
to
be
people
to
just
throw
their
things
right
away
on
that
and
I
don't
want
to
get
into
that
kind
of
review
mode.
So
I
want
to
have
a
quick
call
to
share
my
each
section.
C
B
C
A
C
So
this
is
a
different
email
ID.
So
at
my
work,
so
that's
why
it
is
not
feeling
yes,
but
but
at
this
point,
I
have
an
Access
wise.
It's
good,
I'm,
good
cool,
so
especially
like
the
before
I
start.
Jumping
into
this,
do
you
have
any
questions
or
anything
that
you
are
like
anything
that
you
want
to
set
up
as
an
expectation
in
the
meeting.
B
The
only
thing
I
would
say
is:
don't
don't
feel
like,
because
the
group
has
worked
on
some
stuff
that
it's
either
set
in
stone
or
correct,
like
I,
get
that
it's
different
than
where
you
were
thinking,
but
it's
important
to
like
integrate
new
thoughts.
That's
how
we
got
to
where
we
are
today.
So
so.
Please
do
share
and
I'll
share
our
context
and
and
we'll
go
from
there
right
so
yeah,
just
don't
don't
think
of
it
as
set
in
stone,
is
all
I
would
say.
A
C
C
If
you
write
to
release
a
product,
how
many
like
times
you
are
trying
to
roll
back
like
saying
that
hey
we
didn't
deployed
correctly
and
so
first
time,
because
initially
we
do
a
lot
and
many
platforms
where
we
build
first
few
months
of
phase
is
that
you
revert
a
lot
right
and
even
though
you
do
a
reverting
a
lot
but
derivative
of
changes,
but
still
keep
that
as
a
measure
like
that
way.
You
see
that
you
are
improving
on
in
a
consistent
manner.
B
C
B
C
B
B
Going
on
in
your
support,
Channel
like
how's,
it
been
going
right
like
it's
sort
of
ad
hoc
like
then
you
kind
of
look
back,
and
you
say:
oh
we've
released
10
things
and
five
of
them
had
to
be
rolled
back,
but
like
it's
sort
of
like
on
demand
kind
of
randomly
checked
in
on
not
something
that
you
do
like
consistently
or
with
intention.
I
guess
is,
is
maybe
that
versus
the
exact
same
metric,
which
is
like
change
fail
percentage
at
level
two
where
you're
operationalized
is
something
that
you
track
consistently.
B
You
may
have
that
coming
out
of
like
a
CI
CD
pipeline
metric
that
gets
collected
in
Graft
in
grafana
on
a
dashboard
and
like
it's
consistently
there,
and
if
you
then,
you
start
to
see
that
that
becomes
too
high
a
percentage
is
failure.
You
might
do
a
prioritized
task
to
like
improve
your
testing
or
something
right
like
that.
That
sort
of
there
that
exact
same
metric
but
at
the
scaled
level,
might
be
quantitative
and
qualitative
and
higher
level
objectives.
So
you
start
to
talk
about
like
what
is
the
trust
in
your
platform.
C
Be
that
you
do
a
survey
every
month,
like
yes,
quantitative,
we
can
measure
here
in
terms
of
like
once,
you
become
qualitatively
implemented
all
these,
how
many
people
are
adopting
your
platform
and
how
are
there?
The
quantity
quantification?
Is
that,
like
the
value
propagation
that
you
are
bringing
to
your
platform,
when
you
start
evaluating
at
the
scale
level
that
yeah
actually
a
perfect
entry
for
the
actual
teams
who
are
adopting
it?
And
then
when
you
go
to
optimized
same
metric,
can
be
your
qualitatively
and
quantitatively.
You
are
consistently
improving
on
things.
B
Yeah
I
think
so.
This
is
a
really
good
conversation,
because
I
think
there's
different
ways
of
there's
different,
maybe
priorities
and
and
value
put
on
qualitative
and
quantitative
data
and
I
think
that
might
be
worth
a
conversation
like
a
wider
conversation
about
it,
because,
in
my
opinion,
it
is
I.
Don't
think
our
maturity
model
should
take
a
stance
on
one
being
significantly
more
important
than
the
other.
B
B
The
model
says:
I
should
use
open
Telemetry.
So
then,
if
I
want
to
be
successful,
I
have
to
use
open
telemetry
the
the
model
says:
I
have
to
use
Jaeger
for
tracing.
If
I
use
anything
else,
I've
failed
right
and
we
don't
want
that
to
be
what
it's
used
for.
So
we
want
to
stay
at
that
sort
of
what
are
the
outcomes
that
you're
achieving
you're,
achieving
visibility,
you're,
achieving
awareness,
you're,
achieving
feedback
loops
like
those
kinds
of
levels,
if
that
makes
sense,.
C
Yeah
yeah
I
think
I'm
definitely
getting
it
and
we
are
trying
to
Define
and
a
theoretical
model.
If
you
see
in
a
mathematical
world,
like
you
say
you
define
an
algorithm
or
a
theory
here.
This
is
what
theorem
is,
and
the
theorem
explanation
can
be
very
depending
on
the
use
case
that
your
data
set
that
you're
taking.
But
your
theorem
remains
same
right
and
yeah.
B
Are
you
just
make
sure
I
know
what
you're
asking?
Are
you
suggesting
like
that?
As
a
part
of
the
details
section
you
will
give
like
Exemplar,
metrics
or
measurements
that
people
might
want
to
track,
and
so
you
might
find
yourself
saying
in
the
detailed
section
for
measurement
at
level.
One
provisional
here
are
five
match.
Some
number
you're
asking
me
the
number
but
I'm
making
up
a
number
five
metrics.
B
C
I
mean
especially
when
you're
talking
about
measurement
and
we
are
not
at
least
giving
an
examples
of
what
you
what
we
mean
by
that
might
lead
to
a
confusion
even
for
adoption,
adoption
perspective.
So
at
the
details
section
I
would
like
to
definitely
give
some
kind
of
examples,
but
at
the
same
time
I
don't
want
it
to
be
like
they
just
follow.
People
just
follow
it,
and
even
I
I
do
see.
C
Sometimes
when
you
say
one,
two,
three
people
just
and
then
you
say:
okay
you're,
reminding
you
go
and
figure
it
out,
but
people
stop
there,
one
two
three
and
then
they're
done.
Those
are
the
three
things.
What
we
are
following
yeah
so
I
don't
want
that
to
happen,
but
at
the
same
time
any
measurement.
The
problem
is
exactly
that
and
without
having
a
detailed,
specific
examples.
Sometimes
the
adaptability
of
this
maturity
model
might
be
question
like
what
are
the
factors
that
you
at
least,
giving
an
example
for
that
interesting.
B
Yeah
I
think
so
you're
asking
my
opinion
of
how
many
so
I'll
be
honest
and
say
that
my
gut
reaction
is
none.
We
don't
want.
We
don't
want
specific
examples,
but
you're
winning
me
over
with
like
how
you're
talking
about
like
you
want
this
to
be
usable
and
like
approachable
by
people
and
so
I'd
love
to
see
what
you
like.
What
you
mean
by
that
like
giving
an
example
right,
if
you
don't
want
to
do
all
four
levels
because
you're
like
oh,
if
this
isn't
going
to
be
the
right
format,
I
don't
want
to
waste.
B
B
So
so
stop
me
if
this
is
boring-
and
you
know
all
this,
but
one
of
the
things
that
one
of
the
things
we're
excited
about
is
that
we
we
are
excited
about
an
ecosystem
of
resources
rather
than
feeling
like
any
one
resource
has
to
solve
all
problems
or
answer
all
questions.
So,
for
example,
the
white
paper
leaves
all
sorts
of
things
to
be
desired.
Like
cool
you've
told
me
what
good
looks
like,
but
how
the
heck
do.
I
know
if
I'm
doing
it
and
how
the
heck
do
I
start
doing
it.
B
If
I
know,
I
have
gaps
right
and
we're
trying
to
answer
one
of
those
problems
with
this
maturity
model.
We're
trying
to
answer
the
question
of
how
do
you
know
if
you're
doing
it
right,
you
re,
you
read
this
white
paper
and
you
go
yeah
yeah.
That
sounds
like
me.
Well,
like
does
it
like?
Are
you
meeting
and
exceeding
expectations
of
a
mature
platform?
B
You
can
use
this
model
to
validate
yourself
right
and
and
to
gain
confidence
and
and
Alignment
across
the
industry
that
you
are
meeting
and
exceeding
expectations
of
a
mature
platform
or
where
your
gaps
are.
We
but
that
whole
like
how
do
you
actually
achieve
it
like?
What
is
it
that
you,
the
tools
and
techniques
and
processes
you
could
put
into
place
to
to
move
yourself
from
a
less
mature
level?
So
one
two
up
to
a
more
mature
level.
Three
four.
B
We
expect
that
there's
going
to
be
some
like
longer
form
writing
with
the
details.
So,
for
example,
I
know
there's
at
least
one
person
who's
working
on
a
paper
that
dives
into
the
the
details
around
the
concept
of
platform
as
a
product,
because
that's
a
phrasing
that
we
use
a
lot
but
like
what
does
that
actually
mean?
It's
still
a
question.
That's
that
isn't
answered
by
any
of
our
documents
yet
and
I
could
imagine.
Similarly
a
really
good
Deep
dive
document.
B
That's
like
okay,
so
you
told
me,
I
should
have
measurement,
and
you
told
me
that
to
be
mature,
with
measurement
I
should
be
using
qualitative
and
quantitative
and
having
it
influence.
My
like
mission
on
the
platform
and
my
objectives
on
the
platform,
but
like
what
like?
What
do
you
mean
by
that
like
what
are
some
things
I
could
measure?
B
How
can
I
gather
this
data
in
an
effective
way
like
those
kinds
of
like
implementation,
details,
those
things
that
will
change
as
new
projects
get
accepted
to
the
cncs
and
that,
as
like
new
learnings
about
you
know,
platform
maturity
come
along
those
kind
of
like
lower
durability
things
we
would
want
to
write
a
paper
on
that
we
can
evolve
faster
than
the
higher
level
Concepts.
We
have
in
this
paper,
which
is
like
kind
of
meta
maturity.
Does
that
make
sense,
so
Yeah
Yeah,
so
basically
I'm
not
Auntie.
B
Having
any
examples
in
this
in
this
details,
section
I'm
not
like
absolutely
not
Vijay,
don't
even
try
it,
but
I
am
telling
you
why
I'm
hesitant
that
it
will
be
a
good
fit
so
I'd
love
to
see
your
example
and
then
be
able
to
make
a
like
have
a
better,
more
formed
opinion.
But
if
I,
if
my
opinion
sticks
that
I,
don't
think
this
is
the
right
place
for
it.
I
absolutely
am
excited
about
like
a
blog
post
or
something
else
that
captures
that
information,
because
I
think
it's
really
important
detail
to
share
it's
just.
C
C
C
B
B
It
sort
of
depends
a
little
bit
in
how
so
I
I
would
say.
I,
don't
think
operation
operations
is
ready
for
prime
time
yet
so
I
wouldn't
use
that
one
I
would
say
it's
a
little
bit
dependent
on
how
you
like
to
think
in
that,
like
investment
is
a
really
interesting
one
in
that
it
is
it
it's
quite
a
methodical
process
that
that
they're
going
through
where
asare
is
like
basically
trying
to
define
the
word
like
or
like
the
level
so
at
level.
B
So
if
that
works
for
you
I
think
that's
a
really
interesting
process.
He's
going
through
I
think
that
both
adoption
and
interface
went
straight
to
the
paragraph
format
and
I.
Think
both
of
those
are
are
totally
good
examples
as
well
like
they're
they're,
just
they're,
just
approaching
it
differently
right,
they're
doing
it
with
a
little
bit
more
here's
a
paragraph,
let's
edit
the
paragraph
but
yeah
I,
don't
know.
A
Does
that
make
sense,
yeah
I
actually
joined
I
really
love
the
the
last
time.
So
this
the
investment
discussion,
one
thing
I
find
very
useful-
is
include
the
past
version
in
there
during
the
discussion,
because
that
really
because
there's
so
many
things
that
Abby
has
you
know
driven
this
good
discussion
already
so
to
to
start
from
scratch
is
almost
impossible.
So
include
the
past
version
really
helps
in
the
discussion
about
the
investment.
B
C
Fbi,
to
be
honest,
why
I
am
I
am
I
landed
here,
because
my
organization,
I,
am
have
been
assigned.
A
task
of
defining
this
kind
of,
like
even
I,
propose
something
that
hey
we
have
to
go
through
this
either.
What
is
the
security
model?
I
started,
working
on
it
and
I
was
going
through
every
little
place
and
all
when
I
see
this
so
I
think
I.
C
This
is
where
I
should
spend
time
on
not
anywhere
else,
so
even
for
my
team
within
the
company
or
Within
Myself
like
within
our
nation,
yeah
I
am
trying
to
Define
that
measure
how
to
measure
the
platform's
success
is
what
I'm
working
on.
So
that's
why
I'm
going
towards
like
quantifying
it
like
hey
all
those
quantification
examples,
I
am
picking
those
metrics
so
that
I
can
see
the
day.
This
is
a
much
from
starting
of
this
maturity
of
this
metric.
By
the
time
you
do
the
matured
state.
C
B
Think
it's
great
that
you
did
and
I
think
that
that,
like
I
guess
what
I'm
trying
to
tease
out
and
again,
this
is
my
opinion.
I,
really
really
think
you
should
take
a
stab
at
at
least
one
of
the
levels
in
your
own
words
and
get
feedback
from
more
than
just
me
right,
like
I'm,
only
one
human
but,
like
you
know
these
are
just
my
opinions,
but
what
I
really
love
about?
B
What
you
just
said
is
is
the
focus
on
the
the
ongoing
the
the
collection
of
a
metric
that
you
then
spend
time
iterating
on
learning
on
over
time,
right
so
to
me
that
Pro
that
that
process
and
that
outcome
is
the
thing
I'd
love
to
capture
and
have
other
people
who
are
maybe
less
experienced
with
measuring
things
than
you
are,
have
them
be
made
aware
of
right.
So
to
me
what
you're
talking
about
there
fits
really
really
well
with
level
two
operationalized
like
what
we
introduce
at
level
two.
B
Is
that
idea
of
a
consistent
collection
of
metrics
right?
So,
instead
of
talking
about
which
metric
we
we
collect
at
level
two?
What
you're
saying
is
you
Val
at
level?
Two,
you
value
the
ongoing
and
like
awareness
and
and
tracking
of
a
single
metric,
so
that
you
can
understand
both
growth
and
like
regression
in
that
metric
right.
C
One
is
a
metric
right,
other
one
is
a
percentage
like
one
metric
is
a
count
that
is
incrementing
right.
The
other
one
is
the
percentage
of
like
like
adaptability
are
like
are
like,
so
adaptability
is
one
thing
like
then
like
some
in
sometimes
we
have
to
measure
with
the
percentage,
also
in
some
metrics,
so.
B
A
Yeah,
this
could
be
a
seven
row
instead
of
five
I,
actually
I,
even
missed
that
I
I
actually
went
back
and
and
watched
some
of
the
old
videos
I
couldn't
find
where
the
decision
was
made
to
to
I.
Don't
know.
If
there's
some
discussion
about
the
last
two,
there
will
be
like
seven
roles.
Right
now
become
five
row.
Where
did
that
transition
into
five
row
and
which
become
measurement
yeah.
B
B
It's
a
fantastic
question
Victor,
so
so
there's
a
couple
questions
in
there.
So,
first
of
all
that
I
want
to
hopefully
answer
all
of
them.
So
so,
first
of
all,
the
question
was:
how
did
we
go
from
the
seven
that
we
had
before
to
only
having
five
now,
the
answer
is:
is
that
after
those
those
early,
deep
dive,
videos
I
basically
just
sat
down
with
everybody's
feedback
and
said
all
right?
What
happens
if
I
try
and
make
everybody
happy
a
I
go
mentally
insane
but
b.
B
B
B
Share
should
be.
Anyone
with
link
should
be
able
to
view
that
yep,
okay
done
cool,
so
yeah,
so
you've
got
the
like
versions
at
the
end,
but
the
second
question
you
asked
was
which
one
of
those
original
ones
went
to
measurement,
and
that
was
exactly
Vijay.
That's
why
I
sent
you
that
link
in
the
meeting,
chat
or
I
will
send
you
both
the
link
of
the
meeting
chat.
B
Like
you
create
your
kind
of
ideas
on
paper
like
you
could
do
it,
you
could
have
that
chat
now
kind
of
place.
Some
of
your
question
marks
in
that
thread
or
pull
those
humans
into
a
different
thread,
or
you
could
try
and
take
a
stab
at
a
draft
and
then
pass
the
draft
to
them
and
say
you
know
we're
working
on
the
measurement.
You
may
have
some
opinions
so.
C
Yeah
definitely
so
maybe
like
as
a
Next
Step.
What
I
can
do
is
that
I
will
start
writing
that,
in
my
in
my
way,
into
the
documentation
first
and
one
is
and
also
I'll
try
to
share
it
with
the
rest
of
the
team,
who
are
a
little
here.
I
started
measuring
like
this
and
then
I'm
writing
like
this
and
and
for
first
hydration.
C
Please
feel
free
to
edit
or
update
or
even
give
me
a
comments
like
how
I
can
be
better
at
it,
because,
like
so
deep
into
thinking
of
that,
metrics
like
how
to
measure
this,
how
to
measure
this
and
how
I
am
progressing.
This
now
I
had
to
relearn
for
myself
unlearned
and
then
relearn
don't
play
a
metrics.
You
you
think,
like
your
next
phase
before
that,
even
before
different
defining
the
Matrix
okay,
now
you
have
to
even
Define,
like
a
theory,
your
theorem.
C
B
I
think
I
think
the
big
thing
is
I
love
that
you're.
This
is
really
concrete
for
you,
because
it's
what
you're
doing
at
work,
but
at
the
same
time
the
model
that
we're
creating
here
is
is
meant
to
be
industry
wide
right
for
companies
of
all
shapes
and
sizes
for
all
levels
of
maturity
should
be
able
to
read
it,
and
so
there
is.
B
There
is
sort
of
that
need
to
like
step
back
and
step
up
when
thinking
about
what
we're
writing
here
and
but
given
your
experience
at
work
day
to
day,
you
should
once
you've
written
this
higher
level
like
theorem.
As
you
say,
you
should
be
able
to
to
put
on
your
workday
hat,
read
it
and
get
value
from
it.
B
So
that
would
be
a
good
test
for,
like
don't
go
so
abstract
that
it's
not
useful
to
like
you
on
your
day-to-day
work,
but
also
don't
go
so
detailed
that
unless
somebody
works
with
you
at
your
company,
it's
not
going
to
make
a
lot
of
sense
to
them.
Right.
There's
sort
of
that
balancing
between
the
two.
C
C
Sure
and
then
I'll
also
try
to
scale
from
company
of
a
small
scale
to
medium
to
a
large
scale,
and
then
large
scale
has
different
models
of
platform.
Engineering
teams
and
middle
mid
scale
has
a
different
and
startups
has
different
right.
So
when
you
see
the
scale
and
you
try
to
apply
it
and
I,
think
it's
going
to
definitely
be
interesting.
Next
to
seven
days
for
me
before
we
meet
again
yeah.
B
And
yeah
and
don't
feel
like
you
have
to
wait
seven
days
to
talk
again,
go
throw
stuff
into
slack.
Let
me
know
if
you
need
any
time,
but
yeah
definitely
just
take
a
stab
and
I
just
I
sort
of
GRA
come
into
the
documents
every
couple
days
and
see
if
anyone
needs
any
feedback
or
anything
and
then
we'll
we'll
get
ready
for
for
a
bigger
chat
next
week,
I
think
next
week.
B
What
we'll
get
out
of
that
hopefully
is
a
a
line,
a
better
alignment
on
like
format
and
like
abstraction
level
like
how
detailed
things
should
be,
and
all
that
because
remember
we
have,
you,
know
five
different
authors
right
now,
all
going
off
and
like
thinking
deeply
about
their
subjects
and
then
we're
going
to
come
back
and
go.
Oh
that
I
really
like
how
you
did
that.
Oh
I
really
like
how
you
did
that.
Okay,
let's
balance
those
two
things
together
and.