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CNCF TOC Meeting 2020-11-10
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Although
and
then
all
the
other
thing
I
would
say
is
like
in
a
lot
of
projects,
a
lot
of
projects
are
one
or
two
commit
or
heavy,
especially
in
the
beginning,
because
they're
the
primary
developers
and
that's
just
how
they're
that's,
how
they're
rolling
so
yeah
anyway,
it
meets
the
sniff
test.
To
me.
A
A
E
A
This
before
we
just
do
it
in
the
chat,
and
you
can
type
your
plus
one
or
minus
one
or
whatever
you
want
to.
A
A
B
D
It
appears
I
mean
at
first
glance
it
appears
to
be
independent,
although
it's
a
little
bit
tricky
to
know
like
deeply,
but
but
certainly
nothing
in
the
docs
even
on
the
github
page
seems
to
indicate
that
it's
there's
a
tight
relationship.
There.
D
D
H
D
A
A
A
A
A
A
C
Am
the
only
one
who
don't
see
the
alignment
with
existing
open
source,
cncf
and
open
source
projects?
Is
that
column
empty?
A
C
C
A
G
C
Would
you
like
to
understand
more
what
it
what
differs
the
project
from
stiff
inspire.
F
I
don't
think
it's
a
bad
thing
if
they
overlap,
but
it'd
be
really
nice
to
have
some
more
of
an
understanding,
yeah
just
curious.
A
G
Yeah-
and
I
also,
I
also
think
these
kind
of
discussions-
you
know
kind
of
almost
encourage
them,
forces
them
to
clarify
their
positioning
and
it
actually
helps
in
in
adoption
once
once
they
become
sandbox.
So
at
least
folks,
coming
in
from
a
kubernetes
background
and
cncf
background,
can
better
understand
what
how
you
know
why
they
should
check
out
this
project.
F
Yeah,
I'm
also
really
curious.
If
there's
like
some
sort
of
spec,
they
plan
on
creating
or
are
following
it's
nice,
that's
if
he
has
a.
A
C
D
Cool
all
kinds
of
auto
and
cutting
all
kinds
of
audio
challenges.
This
morning,
I
also
noticed
it
looks
like
maybe
they
have
a
little
bit
of
overlap
with
cube
to.
I
am,
and
it
looks
like
there's,
there's
some
specific
stuff
around
aws
it
which
isn't
bad
necessarily,
but
it
seems
like
it
may
be.
D
I
don't
know
it
feels
like.
It
might
be
a
little
odd
to
put
something
that's
fully
formed
into.
D
F
D
I
mean
it's
not
terrible,
but
at
some
level
like
if
it's
not
like,
I
worry
about
it
being
a
dumping
ground.
You
know
where
I
mean.
Maybe
another
way
of
saying
that
is
like.
I
wonder
what
the
plan
forward
is
right
like
is
this
something
that
they're
actually
using?
Or
is
this
something
that
like?
What's
the
motivation
like,
I
guess
in
an
incubating
project?
It's
very
clear
to
me
what
the
motivation
of
putting
it
in
a
neutral
ipu
is,
which
is
build,
grow
community.
This
looks
like
something
that's
in
production
usage
by
yahoo.
A
I
mean
they've
answered
the
question
by
saying
they
want
to
work
with
others
in
the
community
to
evolve.
Athens
in
you
know
sort
of
a
normal
way,
so
it
sounds
on
the
face
of
it
as
though
it's
being
contributed
to
you
know.
F
D
So
I
just
want
to
make
sure
that
that's
not
what's
happening,
I
mean,
and
I
don't
necessarily
think
it
is
what's
happening
here,
but
I
would
like-
and
maybe
actually
we
need
to
rephrase
the
the
question
or
you
know
like
some
some
question
around
like
oh,
no,
there
is
the.
Why
do
you
want
to
never
mind?
Here's
the?
Why
do
you
want
to
contribute?
So
I
thought
we
hadn't
asked
that
question.
F
D
D
F
D
A
A
A
Okay,
the
next
one
is
if
the
next
one
is
too
big
to
fit
on
my
enormous
screen.
How
does
that
happen?
I
think
it's
open
cruise,
so
this
is
the
one
we
talked
about
before
right.
A
And
this
this
is
the
one
that
we
asked
the
kubernetes
steering
committee,
how
they
felt
about
it
and
they
seemed
quite
keen,
because
I
think,
last
time
we
discussed
it.
We
were
wondering
whether
it
made
more
sense
as
a
kubernetes
sub
project,
and
the
syrian
committee
said
no.
We
think
it
stands
alone
as
a
separate
project.
E
Yeah,
it
looks
they
presented
to
sig
app
and
sig
architecture
and
sega
app
delivery.
A
And
the
response
on
the:
why
do
you
want
to
contribute
question?
I
think,
is
very
good.
A
I
C
They've
presented
to
the
sea
grand
time
about
a
month
ago,.
F
A
And
they've
put
a
similarity
with
metal
cubed
and
a
couple
of
other
options.
As.
A
A
A
C
To
some
extent,
doesn't
matter
too
much.
This
implementation
is
is
different.
I
believe
metalcube
uses
the.
I
forgot
the
name
of
that
openstack.
E
C
G
A
A
C
I
mean
it
was
created
in
july
in
july
this
year,
they're
just
so
far,
they're
three
contributors,
three
active
contributors.
B
C
D
G
It
seems
like
one
of
the
major
selling
point:
is
it's
written
in
go
yeah.
B
G
B
D
D
D
It's
just
it
doesn't
feel
super
yeah
and
in
fact
most
of
them
were
all
written
by
one
one
person
so
like
it
just
it
feels
a
little
bit
early.
I
think
I
think
what
we
should
maybe
communicate
back
is
like
directionally
seems
to
make
sense
cloud
native
makes
sense,
but
it's
just
super
early
and
you
need
to
spend
another
six
months
drumming
up.
You
know,
interest
and
usage.
A
D
I
mean
that
said,
I
think
the
goal
I
mean
fluent
either
fluent
or
log
log
stash,
like
they're,
both
kind
of
bloaty
programs
so
like
and
written
in
ruby.
So
like
it's
not
a
bad
thing
to
replace
it,
but
yeah.
It
feels
a
little
bit
early.
A
Yeah,
do
we
want
to
vote
on
it
for
now,
or
or
perhaps
I
should
put
another
way?
Does
anybody
want
to
hold
a
vote
to
say.
D
D
A
B
Provega,
so
they
were
they
applied
for
incubation,
but
and
I
reviewed
them
and
basically
told
them-
they
didn't
have
enough
users
and
users,
and
so
they
decided
to
apply
for
sandbox
so
which
I
thought
they
weren't
going
to
do
for
a
bit
and
then
they
decided
they
were.
They
were
happy
with
that.
B
So
I
think
I
mean
they're
they're
trying
to
compete
with
kafka,
but
they
have
they
really
need
using
momentum,
but
the
project's
been
around
and
it's
relatively
what's
here
as
a
project
it's
used
in
internally
and
by
kind
of
customers,
but
not
much
externally
and
they've
just
launched
a
rust
version
as
well
just
a
couple
of
days
ago.
This
is,
it
was
very
java
based,
but
I
think
some
rust
work
as
well.
A
I
think
the
storage,
sig
storage
took
a
look,
didn't
they
and
yeah.
B
A
D
B
I
D
Yeah
it
it
seems
to
have
you
know
above
the
bar
participation
and
interest
as
well.
D
So
you
know
whether
whether
it
succeeds
or
not
is
not
really
for
us
to
judge,
but
but
it
does
seem
to
be,
you
know
activation,
it
doesn't
have
a
ton
of
contributors,
but
it
has
more
than
say
like
the
last
one
we
looked
at
and
it
has
well.
D
Oh
sorry,
not
that
sorry.
I
met
the
one
before
that
more
than
the
the
one
that
we
kicked
back
to
people.
Oh.
A
A
I
know
I
have
come
across
them
in
the
like
kubernetes
sig
security.
I
think
they're
involved.
D
F
I
A
A
B
D
F
F
A
D
So
I
think
that
I
like
that
as
well
they're
also,
you
know
decent
they're
they're
associated
with
nermata.
It
looks
like
so
it
looks
to
me
like
they're,
not
going
to
like
super
cncf.
Hey,
look
we're
sandbox
about
this
project
either
right.
It
feels
like
it's
going
to
be
a
little
more
open
than
just
hey.
Our
startup
needs
this
thing
to
go.
A
A
D
A
I
was
going
to
say:
is
that,
oh
god
yeah
all
right,
should
we
should
we
do
some
votes
for.
A
J
A
Project
this
is
their
answer
in
column
n.
Is
that
what
yeah.
E
G
Is
cozy
gonna
be
gonna,
be
mature
soon,
I'm
actually
not
familiar
with
that.
J
They've
gotten
kep
approval
and
they're
working
towards
getting
a
poc
completed
by
the
kubernetes
120
time
frame
and
then
an
alpha
in
the
121
time
frame.
Oh.
G
G
I
mean
I
must
say
this
when
I,
when
I
look
at
this
project,
it
looks
kind
of
thin
because,
because
you
know
it
it
it's
cool
in
some
way,
because
it's
using
kubernetes
as
a
as
like
an
app
platform
to
with
the
database
to
to
kind
of
encapsulate
all
these
other
concepts.
So
that's
actually
kind
of
cool,
but
if
it's,
if
it's
going
to
be
but
given
nfs
and
s3,
are
such
fundamental
concepts
in
infrastructure.
E
D
E
Research
yeah.
D
It's
from
ibm
research
yeah,
it
looks
like
they
got
a
grant
like
at
the
very
bottom.
It
was
funded
by
the
eu,
so
I
worry
a
little
bit
about
it
being
more
of
an
academic
project
than
a
legit
and
user-facing
product.
But
I
don't
know.
I
B
I
D
A
Is
travel
interpreting
that
sentence
that
sard
highlighted
before
about
when
the
cozy
interface
becomes
part
of
kubernetes?
We
will
stop
maintaining
and
directly
support
cosy.
D
So,
there's
a
little
bit
more
in
the
fact
where
they
say
when
they
close
the
interface.
We
will
stop
maintaining
and
directly
support
cozy
for
creating
pvc
for
buckets
and
object
stores.
So
I
think
what
they
mean
is
the
framework
stays,
but
instead
of
talking
to
csi
direct,
the
csi
plug-in
directly
they're
going
to
talk
to
the
cozy
interface
and
I
don't
know
very
much
about
it.
So
if
I
didn't
make
any
sense,
sod
should
tell
me
I'm
not
making
any
sense.
G
D
But
I'm
not
sure
so
you
can
say
data
set.
Basically
you
can
say
hey.
You
know
like
if-
and
I
can
imagine
like,
if
I'm
a
scientist
and
I
don't
know
anything
about
volumes,
but
I
know
that
I
uploaded
a
whole
bunch
of
you
know:
data
files.
I
just
want
to
point
it
at
something
and
be
like
make
make
go.
You
know
it
sounds
like
that's
what
they're
aiming
at
it
runs.
So
it
runs
an
nfs
gateway
on
s3.
No,
that's!
No!
No
it
it
it
like
introspects.
G
D
D
For
s3
I
mean
you,
can
it
could
be
using
fuse?
I
don't
know
it
could
be
using
like
one
of
these
https
that
it's
using
fuse
yeah.
I.
D
D
G
R
does
cozy
cover
this
as
well
like.
J
Turning
no
so
cozy's
focus
is
not
taking
object
and
turning
into
a
blocker
file,
it's
just
focused
on
surfacing
object
directly
into
the
containers
in
kind
of
a
standardized
way.
So.
J
G
No,
I
think
I
think
I
think
liz
I
I
don't
think
this
is
a
ai
data
kind
of
thing
I
mean
the
most
cases
we're
talking
about
here.
Are,
I
think,
I'm
more
generic.
So
so
right
region
is,
you
know,
there's
this
cozy
thing
and
then
let's
see
so
it's
sorry
csi
for
s3
is
that
just
the
third
party
project
they're
using
or
yeah
it's
a
third
party
thing
they're
using
yeah.
So
so
then
they're
just
packaging,
because
if
they
just
did
that,
that
would
actually
be
interesting.
D
They're,
not
packaging,
no
they're,
not
packaging,
they're
they're,
making
it
easier
for
you
to
reference
like
you,
don't
have
to
deal
with
pvcs.
G
D
G
D
But
I
I
think
it's
worth
just
telling
them
hey,
look
like
interesting,
but
there's
not
enough
there.
There.
You
need
to
spend
six
months
and
see
because,
if
like
in
six
months,
nothing's
changed,
then
it's
very
clear
that
it's
dead
and
if
in
six
months
they
have
it's,
they
say
that
they're
a
service
mesh
for
data,
then
like
then,
maybe
it's
a
thing.
D
H
I
don't
know
if
that
changes
your
calculus
at
all.
I
am
happy
to
be
able
to
say
reapply
in
future
for
spring
review,
because
that
is
in
fact
an
answer,
but
does.
J
A
I
D
I
don't
think
so
so
here's
my
thing
about
this
is
this
looks
like
something
that
you
would
install
on
a
kubernetes
cluster,
that's
being
used
for
data
science
and
in
that
context,
like
nobody,
cares
about
this
stuff,
because
you're
just
trying
to
make
the
scientists
jobs
possible
right.
This
doesn't
feel
like
something
that
would
be.
D
You
know
adopted
into
a
cloud
where
competition
would
be
important
or
something
like
that
so
like.
I
think
the
fact
that
they
can't
point
to
a
bunch
of
people
using
it
is
an
indication
that
maybe
they're
not
quite
nailing
their
use
case
or
they're,
not
quite
nailing
their
their
pr
around
it.
Just
describing
gonna.
B
I
H
D
Sure,
okay-
and
I
think
we
are
still
looking
for,
for
I
mean
the
the
the
if
we
asked
for
them
for
clarification
on
cozy
and
what
they
came
back
with
was
when
cozy
exists,
we're
going
to
deprecate
a
bunch
of
stuff.
I'm
not
sure.
That's
clarification.
That's
just
saying
they're
going
to
use
it.
I
don't
know,
but.
H
H
H
H
Later
in
january
than
earlier
given
because,
like
I
know,
people
might
not
be
back
in
the
office
and
things
so
I'll
say
we're
tracking
towards
january.
Okay,
awesome
all
right
watch
for
an
email
from
me
with
like
results
in
here
and
then
I'll
push
you
down
towards
the
main
list.
Good
to
see
you
all.