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From YouTube: CNCF TOC Meeting - 2018-03-06
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B
B
A
B
Is
Brian
grant
John,
Boel
or
kind
of
Owens
on
I?
Don't
see
them
go
ping
him
really
quick.
They'll
get
started
in
a
minute.
B
C
So
I'm
just
going
to
try
and
crack
through
the
slides
again
so
going
to
the
agenda
slide.
We're
mostly
reviewing
some
boats
here
and
talking
about
some
work
group
stuff
on
slide.
Six
in
case
you
missed
it
dan
and
Chris,
and
the
CNCs
staff
have
produced
an
annual
report
which
is
essentially
a
shiny
pictorial
artifact
with
nice
stats
in
it
about
cloud
native
computing
foundation.
That
is
a
good
thing
to
share
with
people
who
might
have
heard
that
you're
involved
in
the
CNCs,
but
don't
quite
know
what
it
does
go.
C
C
C
Okay,
okay,
so
now
I'm
going
to
move
on
to
slide
number.
Eight
and
I
would
like
us
to
have
a
little
bit
of
discussion
around
this
slide.
Please.
So
we
have
now
run
a
vote,
because
Chris
is
very
keen
as
I
as
was
I,
to
get
a
quick
response
on
the
changes
to
be
instant
air,
and
there
was
some
discussion
about
this
in
pull
requests
and
on
the
list,
and
there
was
also
some
discussion
at
the
governing
board
meeting
yesterday
and
I.
C
C
So
first
of
all,
people
are
still
fuzzy
about
what
is
the
purpose
of
the
sandbox
and
why
this
called
sandbox
and
I've
heard
a
lot
of
different
things
about
this,
including
that
sandbox,
the
name
is
negative
and
that
you
know
serious
projects
would
not
want
to
be
in
something
called
sandbox.
I
have
to
say.
I
find
this
very,
very,
very.
C
Weird
but
I
don't
think
there
was
any
malicious
intent
when
the
TOC
really
converged
very
quickly
on
the
name
sandbox
during
our
call
last
time.
For
me,
it
means
a
area
where
a
range
of
different
early
stage
projects
can
exist.
We've
had
demands
for
collaboration
venues
from
early
stage
projects
that
are
just
not
ready
for
incubation,
however
serious
they
may
be
in
the
long
run.
C
We've
also
got
a
kubernetes
incubator,
which
has
very
similar
conceptual
framework
around
it,
which
essentially
is
shutting
down,
and
we
hoping
with
Brian
to
have
the
CNC
F
sandbox
be
a
place
where
communities
incubated
projects
could
live.
These
could
these
could
have
been
invented
yesterday
and
literally
just
have
had
their
github
repo
created
the
people.
C
Building
them
might
have
a
very
well
resourced
and
very
serious
intent
to
be
successful,
but
the
projects
are
still
just
immature
and
we
believe
that
other
CN
CF
projects,
such
as
Prometheus
envoy,
etc
may
want,
may
wish
to
have
experimental
at
war,
incubated
components
as
well,
and
the
CNF
sandbox
is
supposed
to
be
a
capsule
for
all
of
these
things
and
therefore
serves
a
number
of
purposes.
We
also
what
were
worried
that
people
would
get
confused
as
they
did
with
Inception
about
whether
there
was
a
difference
between
the
inception
and
incubation
stage.
C
You
know
the
project's
themselves
may
wish
to
market
themselves
just
if
they
want
to
have
CNC
f
support.
The
CNC
F
is
not
going
to
make
claims
of
their
production,
ready
ahead
of
time
pretty
straightforwardly,
and
it's
going
to
reserve
the
most
marketing
budget
for
the
more
mature
projects
on
the
point
of
marketing.
Several
people
yesterday
did
not
like
the
fact
that
this
draft
logo
has
a
spade
and
is
in
a
sandpit
I
agree
that
that
is
a
little
bit.
C
Unclassy
would
love
to
see
that
go,
but
I
do
think
that
saying
that
you're
in
the
cloud
native
sandbox
should
be
a
good
thing
and
not
seen
as
somehow
that
the
project
is
common
tarish
in
terms
of
the
language
in
the
document.
I
think
the
pull
requests
are
very
good
I
think
we
still
have
a
few
more
things
that
we
need
to
say.
C
I
think
we
need
to
make
it
very
clear
that
our
belief
is
that
these
projects
are
proper
projects
they're
just
early,
and
we
may
need
to
say
a
little
bit
about
the
purpose
of
the
sandbox
as
an
incubation
area
for
other
projects,
as
well
as
for
things
that
are
early-stage,
independent,
also
I,
think
there
was
a
concern
which
I
understand
around
project
sprawl.
You
know:
will
the
sandbox
be
a
place
where
there
are
many
projects
that
are
somehow
unworthy
and
will
we
maintain
a
high
quality
bar
for
new
projects
and
I
think
the
solution?
C
There
is
just
to
be
very
clear
that
the
incubation
bar
is
pretty
high.
The
sandbox
projects
are
there
to
get
into
incubation
when
they
are
ready
and
not
before,
and
the
you
know
that
projects
that
did
not
succeed
in
the
sandbox
will
be
pruned
out
pretty
pretty
unsparingly,
so
I
think
those
things
need
to
be
stated
more
clearly.
Otherwise
we
will
continue
to
have
some
confusion,
although
I
believe
that
the
sandbox
as
thing
is,
has
already
moved
us
forward
from
the
inception
stage,
which
is
kind
of
mini
incubation.
C
So,
with
those
things
in
mind,
I
would
like
to
ask
people
if
they
have
any
comments
on
that
any
major
burning
questions,
any
violent
objections.
Does
anybody
want
to
hurl
themselves
in
front
of
the
train
at
this
point,
because
now
is
the
time
I'm
worried
that
people
will
bottle
up
their
concerns
and
we'll
head
them
in
three
months
time.
C
Justice,
if
I
pointed
out
that,
for
example,
I
pointed
out
another
open-source
project
that
has
a
sandbox
concept
for
initial
immature
components,
and
these
were
described
as
experimental,
and
you
know
the
comment
was
well
if
it's
experimental
and
it
can't
be
serious-
and
you
know
I,
just
I-
think
experimental
scientists
who
work
at
universities-
and
do
you
know
CERN
or
NASA-
would
probably
disagree
with
that
statement.
I,
don't
think
experimental,
connotes,
a
lack
of
seriousness
at
all,
but
I
do
think
that
yeah
you've
got
this
kind
of
illusion
of
concepts
between
early-stage,
experimental
and
sandbox.
E
E
A
E
G
People
throw
myself
into
this
once
weird
one
more
time,
which
is
that
I
believe
from
I
believe
that
the
intent
is
the
little
different
than
the
Apache
sandbox
and
because
it's
different,
the
reuse
of
the
name
is
confusing.
But
I'll
also
again
say
like
to
two
things
come
to
mind
with
the
word
sandbox
and
one
of
them
is
children
and
the
other
is
cats
and
I.
Don't
really
think
either
of
those
is
quite
what
we
intend
all.
G
We
have
people
with
opinions
today,
there's
40
participants.
Let
me
let
me
respond
to
Brian's
comment
a
little
bit
and
just
an
area
of
sensitivity,
especially
for
larger
companies,
where
groups
want
to
put
some
effort
into
something.
That
really
is
a
serious
effort.
I
think
this
sandbox
probably
does
them
an
injustice
with
regards
to
explaining
to
folks
and
management
about,
like
the
fact
that
they're
doing
something
serious,
it
could
be
experimental
but
serious
and
so
again,
I'll
take
another
another.
A
You
and
honestly,
if
we
did
in
order
to
use
the
term
incue
bation,
would
be
pretty
good
for
projects
that
are
immature
and
we
want
to
help
them
grow.
I,
don't
know
if
we
want
to
continue
with
that
metaphor,
but
yeah
I
just
think
there
I'm
not
sure
we'll
find
an
ideal
term
I
think
we
should
move
ahead
with
the
concept
and
figure
out
the
naming
I.
H
A
A
C
Just
as
a
point
of
process
press
could
we
could
we
do
a
new
round
on
name
this
week?
I
know
it's
a
pain
in
the
neck,
but
I
believe
that
people
deserve
to
be
heard.
There
was
a
lot
of
QA
about
different
names
being
suggested
last
week.
I
don't
want
to
go
down
that
road,
but
you
know
several
people
have
said
that
there
are
some
should
we
say
cultural
connotations
around
sandbox
and
we
should
respect
that
I'm
personally,
for
the
record
completely
happy
with
sandbox
I.
C
Think
it's
an
awesome
name
but
I,
you
know
don't
want
to
feel
like
people
have
been
sort
of
culturally
antagonize,
especially
cat
owners.
You
know
in
all
seriousness,
I'd
be
totally
happy
with
labs.
I,
don't
think
we
need
to
get
wrapped
around
the
axle
nasai.
Do
you
think
we
should
resolve
the
name
before
we
tell
people?
This
is
a
done
deal
and
I.
H
And
to
be
clear,
I
think
Labs
is
also
fine.
It
might
be
a
better
name,
I
think
if
there's
consensus
that
that's
a
better
name,
we
should
change
the
name,
but
I
think
we
just
we
don't
want
a
name
that
I
think
conveys
more
than
what
we're
trying
to
convey
and
I
think
that
never
quite
sure,
why
does
better
yeah
yeah.
C
I
mean
I,
think
you
know,
there's
there's
two
different
groups
of
people
who
are
worried
about
the
naming
and
just
to
be
clear.
One
is
people
for
whom
the
sandbox
name
itself
has
the
cultural.
It
has
some
cultural
connotation
and
to
a
peat,
a
smaller
group
of
people,
for
whom
the
very
concept
that
there
is
a
category
in
which
projects
might
be
deemed
experimental
is
problematic
and
I.
C
H
C
Why
I
made
the
point
whilst
I
think,
for
example,
calling
it
labs
that
address
Bob
wisest
point,
calling
it
labs
and
having
any
stage
one
early
stage
bucket
that
connotes?
The
idea
that
some
projects
may
be
experimental
will
upset
people
who
don't
see
their
projects
as
experiments,
but
actually,
as
I,
don't
know
serious
business
endeavors
or
something
and
I'm
just
you
know,
I
think
we're
kind
of
reaching
the
limits
of
who
we
can
make
happen.
E
C
I'm
really
worried
about
that,
because
I
think
we'll
go
back
to
the
problem.
Evidence
section
there
where
the
natural
tendency
of
the
early
stage
project,
especially
sometimes
these
have
people
who've,
quit
their
jobs
to
bet
their
life
bet.
The
farm
bet
the
house
on
a
startup
that
is
tied
to
this
stage
project
and
you
know
they
will
go
and
do
marketing
and
the
rest
of
the
community
and
the
end
users
will
not
understand
the
difference
between
stages.
One
two
and
three
yep.
H
Celeste
I
know
we
just
want
to
close
off
names,
but
can
I
just
throw
out
a
couple
I
think.
Actually,
what
is
that
like
workshop
is
because
you
are
making
things
as
opposed
to
discovering
things
and
we're
not
in
the
we're,
not
really
discovering
things
we're
actually
making
artifacts
in
that
vein
and
I'm
sure
this
will
rubber
a
lot
of
people
the
wrong
way,
but
prototype
would
be
another
possibility
that
that
implies.
Something
that
is
in
the
process
of
being
built
is
not
yet
completed.
H
B
C
D
C
C
B
Sure
I'll
take
a
quick
stab
on
this
one.
So
last
meeting
you
know
I
kind
of
went
over
that
the
TOC,
the
to
TOC
s
seats
are
up
for
election
again
we
started
the
nomination
process
and
last
time
I
checked.
We
have
eight
nominees
I
believe
the
nomination
process
closes
today,
which
is
great.
The
one
thing
I
left
out
that
I
was
duly
informed
by
our
legal
counsel.
B
So
it's
basically
a
vetting
process
that
was
originally
put
into
charter
to
assume
that
the
TOC
and
the
board
would
be
happy
with
the
folks
that
get
nominated
if
that
makes
sense.
But
hopefully
that
makes
sense
for
folks
but
I've
updated
the
schedule
to
reflect
the
qualification
period,
which
will
start
essentially
tomorrow,
and
my
goal
is
to
hopefully
announced
the
new
TOC
slots
early
April
in
April
6.
Does
anyone
have
any
questions
here.
B
C
Thank
you
Chris,
so
we
now
on
slide
number
10.
We
have
a
number
of
proposals
coming
over
the
line,
we're
going
to
start
a
vote
on
that's
very
soon.
So
if
you're,
a
CSU
contributor-
and
you
happen
to
have
a
look
at
Nats,
yet
please
go
have
a
look
as
the
sponsor
I
am
happy
with
Matt
as
a
project
for
CN
CF
incubation.
We
use
it
ourselves,
it's
been
in
use
for
some
time.
It's
not
such
a
well-known
project
for
a
number
of
reasons,
but
it
is
a
good
lightweight
messaging
implementation.
C
Opn
spiffy,
as
you
know,
are
very
pointed
towards
specifications
as
well
as
implementations.
Do
you
please
reach
out
to
the
sponsors
and
to
the
owners
of
those
projects
and
encourage
them
to
interact
with
the
community
around
moving
toward
air
I?
Think
that
this
whole,
you
know,
sandbox
workshop
labs
thing
has
been
a
bit
dislocating
for
them
and
I
think
that
it's
good,
if
you
show
them
your
support,
please,
okay,
into
the
move
on
to
slide
number
11.
Now
the
interactive
landscape
dan.
Do
you
want
to
tell
us
about
this?
D
D
And
send
it
around,
it
has
really
the
spheres.
The
power
of
collaborative
editing
has
over
2,000
stars
on
the
negative
sides.
It's
been
described
as
the
hellscape
it
makes
adopting
cloud
native
seem
much
harder
than
should
be.
You
have
a
journey
of
choice.
The
small
logos
are
getting
hard
to
read
and
it's
it's
too
difficult
to
learn
more
about
your
product
or
project.
So
the
seamstick
team's
been
working
on
this
for
several
weeks
and
we
have
two
responses
to
it.
One
is
a
much
deeper
deep
dive
and
I
really
do
encourage
you
now
it's.
D
This
is
more
like
this
is
a
link,
landscape,
CNC,
F,
dot,
IO,
it
just
went
live
a
few
minutes
ago,
and
it
lets
you
filter
and
sort
and
kind
of
understand
the
space
much
more
easily
than
you
could
before
and
then
going
to
the
next
slide.
12.
This
is
the
cloud
native
trail
map
and
I
will
say.
This
is
just
the
first
iteration
of
it.
C
K
A
quick
question:
excuse
me
it's
Quinton
here:
how
do
we
decide
which
kind
of
logos
and
things
get
onto
and
don't
get
onto
those
things.
D
So
the
trail
map
is
pretty
easy
because
it's
just
become
a
CNC
F,
incubating
or
graduated
project
for
the
landscape.
We
have
a
real
specific
set
of
rules
that
we
put
together
over
time
and
I
am
pasting
those
into
the
zoom
window.
By
no
means
am
I
claiming
that
these
are
a
perfect
recipe
and
you
could
basically
file
pull
requests
on
this
as
well.
D
If
you
want
to
suggest
different
rules,
but
the
simplest
one
is
two
hundred
and
fifty
stars,
it
have
stars
on
your
project
and
I
really
do
appreciate
how
arbitrary
that
is,
but
it's
just
as
a
basic
level
or
other
people
interested
in
it
or
not.
But
there
is
a
whole
process
on
there,
also
about
choosing
logos
and
such
okay.
H
H
H
C
Very
much
so
we'll
come
back
to
the
this
landscape
in
a
minimum.
You
talk
about
the
working
groups,
but
I've
forgot
to
mention
something
about
the
projects,
which
is
that
under
our
new
rules,
since
we
are
expecting
spiffy
and
OPA
to
come
in
at
the
entry
stage,
which
will
be
named
either
workshop
or
labs
or
sandbox
in
the
future,
then
under
the
new
rules
they
will
need
to
TOC
sponsors.
So
I
think
it
would
be
extremely
good
if
people
in
the
TOC
could
step
forward
and
be
co-sponsors
of
spiffy
and
OPA.
J
C
B
I'm
gonna
stay
here
is,
should
updated
this
sorry
about
that.
So
prometheus
is
up
next
for
graduation.
So
look
forward.
I'll,
probably
kick
off
the
vote
next
week
on
that,
and
then
after
that
fluent
D
has
a
proposal
to
also
graduate
which
I
would
like
the
TOC
in
wider
community
to
make
comments
on
that
one
before
we
formally
put
it
forward
to
a
vote
right.
C
A
C
Thank
you,
gonna
go
on
to
slide
17
and
I
also
talked
about
the
landscape
at
this
point,
so
I
think
that
the
from
from
my
point
of
view,
the
landscape
is
a
good
marketing
tool
but
has,
of
course,
become
ridiculously
complicated,
with
so
many
logos
added
for
whatever
reason,
and
that
has
kind
of
reduced
its
value
as
an
opinionated
educational
tool.
I
think
the
reference
architecture
group
around
Ken
has
an
opportunity
to
offer
a
set
of
opinions
which
could
produce.
C
You
know,
simplified
pictures,
stacks
suggestions,
diagrams
really,
whatever
you
think
is
most
useful,
which
is
both
concrete
and
meaningful
and
can
be
used
in
a
you
know,
wider
context.
So
if
you
believe
that
the
landscape
needs
to
be
simpler
or
the
trail
needs
to
be
shorter,
please
join
Ken's
effort
in
the
reference
architecture
so
Ken
over
to
you.
I
C
Okay,
great,
we
didn't
cover
the
networking
and
storage
working
group
just
on
the
storage
from
I
am
trying
to
figure
out
with
some
of
the
other
folks
in
this
ago,
see
how
we
can
turn
and
now
accelerate
storage.
Now
that
we've
started
to
add
some
projects.
So,
if
you're
in
the
storage
working
group-
and
you
want
to
keep
up
the
momentum,
please
could
you
send
me
and
Chris
an
email
about?
I
The
second
piece
is
around
ipv6
and
toward
the
need
for
the
expectation
that
some
organizations
have
around
ipv6
and,
as
of
you
know,
some
of
you
guys
know
that
a
lot
of
the
you
know
a
lot
of
the
larger
enterprises
have
needs
for
ipv6
and
a
lot
of
those
services
out
there
that
are
cloud
native.
Do
not
support
ipv6
completely,
are
needed
or
stack
type
of
movement
ation,
and
so
we
thought
it
might
make
sense
to
have
networking
would
come
up
with
a
kind
of
a
statement.
I
C
I
know
it's
a
bit
slow,
but
I
think
we're
trying
to
come
up
with
some
slightly
more
formal
frameworks
around
what
working
groups
do
what
their
scope
is,
how
empower
they
are,
and
that
would
still
take
a
bit
of
time
to
figure
out.
Okay
events
slide
19
Dan
Gordy.
Do
you
want
to
tell
us
about
what's
on
him
or
Taylor.
D
C
D
So
the
key
thing
is
just
that:
this
week
the
prices
go
up
for
Q
Khan,
Club
Copenhagen,
and
so,
if
you
have
been
thinking
about
going,
the
schedule
is
live
I
really
encourage
you
to
take
a
look.
I
think
that's
going
to
be
an
amazing
event,
we're
expecting
to
be
almost
larger
or
larger
than
Austin,
and
then
Shanghai
is
our
first
ever
event
in
China
in
November
and
Seattle
will
be
our
biggest
event
ever
and
if
your
company's
interested
the
sponsorship
information
is
at
that
link
for
all
three
events.
C
C
We
might
just
have
TOC
drinks
and
then
we,
you
know
commiserate
all
right.
I
think
is
two
weeks
from
today.
If
you've
got
any
burning
agenda
items,
please
send
them
to
me
and
Chris
or
post
them
on
the
TOC
list.
I
think
we
are
also
hoping
to
you
know
finally,
finalize
that
the
initial
chair,
okay,
anyone
else
got
any
other
business
for
today.