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From YouTube: CNCF TOC Meeting - 2018-10-16
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B
Go
for
it
tell
you.
Thank
you
very
much,
so
I
hope.
Today
we
could
go
through
the
helping
projects,
discussion
and
talk
about
you
know.
What
is
it
we
care
about
here?
What
do
we
feel
is
generally
being
done?
What's?
What's
perhaps
not
being
done,
and
you
know,
I
saw
there
was
a
long
discussion
on
email
on
the
public
TOC
list
between
many
people,
some
of
whom
may
be
on
the
call
today.
Some
of
you
may
not
with
suggestions
as
to
what
we
could
do
with
projects.
B
A
Sure
so
you
know
we
have
a
resource
available
for
projects
to
request
help
via
the
Service
Desk,
so
we've
had
about
100
or
so
folks
use
that
since
we
started
that
about
it's
probably
been
almost
a
year
since
I
was
formed,
you
know
we
offer
a
variety
of
services
from
tech
writing
event
management.
It's
all
pretty
much
spelled
out
there
on
the
Service
Desk,
so
I
don't
know
where
you
want
to
dive
in
particular
alexis
here.
So
this
is
why.
A
I
mean
I
would
say
most
of
the
requests
probably
have
to
deal
with
either
website
tech,
Doc's
logo
help
or
probably
the
majority
of
the
requests.
Other
things
that
have
come
up
probably
second
up
is
help
with
either
sponsoring
event
travel
to
speak
at
an
event
or
sponsoring
like
an
outreach
internship
or
something
around
that
type
of
line
or
actually
host
an
event.
A
So
whether
it's
like
a
prom
con
or
geo
jukkasjÀrvi
sea
conference
that
we're
going
to
be
hosting
next
year
for
the
G
RPC
community,
so
generally
falls
in
those
kind
of
three
things
of
hey.
We
need
help
with
docks
B.
We
need
funding
to
send
someone
to
an
event
or
something
to
that
nature
or
sponsor
an
intern
through
this
program
or
third,
we
need
help
running
some
type
of
event
or
community
meeting
or
gathering
generally
kind
of
fall
in
those
three
main
type
of
type
of
categories.
A
It's
not
offhand,
it
would
be
hard
to
I
mean
I
could
try
to
formulate
a
in
terms
of
like
you
know.
There
is
a
handful
of
staff
available
for
sensitive
projects.
That
kind
of
counsel
expend.
Are
you
asking
for
expenditures
on
interns,
Tech
Talks?
How
do
you
like
yeah
I
mean?
That's
generally,
you
know
out.
B
C
And
I
would
say
generally
you'll
be
useful
to
on
some
regular
cadence
get
a
Beretta
court.
We
didn't
get
a
breakdown
report,
here's
how
much
money
we've
spent.
Here's
the
projects
we've
spent
it
on
here
are
the
resources
we
spent
it
on
just
say
it
to
communicate
it
broadly
to
the
TOC
to
the
community
consumption
I'm
sure
there
are
projects
that
are
unaware,
or
there
are
projects
that
are
unaware
that
this
readings
tours
available
to
them.
Sure.
A
A
C
Sir,
so
you're
repeat,
the
request
you'd
be
great
to
get
a
quarterly
report
on
on
how
on
the
requests
that
we
are
dealing
with
and
what
we're
doing
and
for
whom.
That's?
What
I'm,
looking
and
asking
for
and
then
not
surveying
the
projects,
but
really
asking
for
a
regular
report
to
the
TOC
of
a
total
breakdown
of
written
report.
Of
what
alexis
is
asking.
B
Think
it
would
be
very
helpful,
I
mean
you
know
it's
it's
more
appreciate
that
in
the
surveys
we're
seeing
that
many
of
the
people
who
respond
to
either
responding
with
three
four
or
five
out
of
a
maximum
of
five
and
the
happily
on
our
map
in
threes.
However,
you
know
that's
a
slightly
different
thing
from
hey
look.
These
are
the
things
that
we've
tried
that
are
successful
and
people
seem
to
be
having
progress
with.
You
know,
make
it
public
and
then
everybody
else
who
is
either
in
a
current
project
or
in
potentially
a
future
project.
B
Looking
in
can
go
okay,
they
did
that
for
this
project.
That
was
a
good
thing.
Why
don't
we
ask
for
that
too?.
A
Yeah
I
mean
makes
sense,
I
mean
well
like
for
next
next
TRC
meeting,
we'll
have
kind
of
a
finalized
survey,
results
takeaways
and
all
that
stuff
kind
of
in
a
digestible
form,
but
I'm
pretty
happy
with
the
results
this
time
around,
because
we've
actually
looks
like
we
just
about
had
every
project
has
responded
in
some
form
of
others.
So
that's
pretty
good
for
us
compared
to
last
time.
D
B
A
I
will
speak
to
me
and
my
team
hassling
developers
constantly
Philips.
Surveys
is
a.
It
is
a
pain
in
the
ass
and
we
yeah
we
try
I
haven't
felt
like
we
deliberately
went
out
to
every
project
it's
time
to
try
to
get
at
least
100
percent
feedback
from
every
project
and
yeah
we're
on
track
to
do
that.
So
it's
hard
and
you
know
development.
C
C
Was
structuring
a
report
about
what
we're
doing
for
those
projects
is
a
way
push
that
out
to
them,
and
it's
fir
to
them
for
folks
is
just
to
be
aware
and
I.
Think
it's
going
to
be
very
helpful
to
have
that
information
out
there
again
when
what
we're
spending
on
and
the
the
types
of
requests
that
we're
dealing
with
how
we
result.
B
Okay,
we
also
have
a
a
long
thread
on
the
list
about
some
sort
of
specific
suggestions
for
things
that
people
wanted
I'm
just
looking
at
it
now,
but
I
believe
Chris.
Did
you
take
some
of
the
issues
and
copy
paste
them
into
a
document?
E
A
E
Do
it
yeah
one
one
thing
I'll
try
to
add
to
them,
and
just
I
just
thought
about,
because
I
had
a
very
frustrating
meeting
this
morning.
It
is
work
around
metrics
for
open-source
projects.
I
think
we
should
probably
come
up
with
a
set
of
metrics
for
each
of
the
projects.
Well,
once
their
metrics
would
then
measure
each
project
against
that
sort
of
metrics.
If
that
makes
any
sense,
I
had
that
too.
The
document
later.
F
I
think
that
the
survey
that
we
do
is
very
useful,
but
it
provides
a
kind
of
an
overall
view
across
all
the
projects
and
it
doesn't
identify
the
distinctions
between
perhaps
the
high
scoring
ones
and
the
low
scoring
ones,
and
it
also,
you
know,
only
really
looks
at
areas
where
they're
multiple
choice,
questions,
work,
so
I
think
it'd
be
good
to
to
get
a
per
project
breakdown
and,
to
whatever
extent,
that's
possible
I,
don't
know
if
your
survey
yeah
provides
that
breakdown
does
a
kind
of
brain
project.
Sorry
I'm,
yeah,.
A
A
The
projects
for
the
first
for
the
first
survey,
we
could
deduce
it
based
on
emails
and
affinity
and
stuff
like
that,
but
the
second
survey
we
asked
which
projects
folks
are
affiliated
with
so
it's
easier
to
to
get
that
data.
So
I'm
happy
for
the
next
November
6
meeting
to
do
that
breakdown
for
you
awesome
Thanks.
So.
B
B
Judgment
I
think
that's
a
good
point.
For
me,
health
metrics
would
be
something
like
I
mean
I'm.
Sure
ken
has
a
bunch
of
things
that
he's
just
been
discussing
with
his
colleagues,
as
he
mentioned
that
for
me,
I
would
like
to
ask
a
member
of
each
project.
You
know
like
a
question
like
this.
You
know
if,
if,
if,
if
we,
if
we
did
a
poll
of
everybody
who's
a
maintainer
in
your
project,
would
you
expect
them
to
say
the
project
is
healthier?
Unhealthy?
Yes,.
C
I
think
yeah
I
think
that
is
a
good
idea.
I
think
asking
the
metrics
that
focus
on
how
the
maintainer
--zz
themselves
view
the
project
view
the
future
of
the
project
that
way
we're
not
imposing
any
metric
about
commits
or
stars
or
Forks
or
anything
else.
We
are
allowing
the
maintainer.
We
are
deferring
that
to
how
the
maintainer
--zz
feel
about
their
own
project.
B
So
there
were
a
couple
of
points
made
earlier
which
are
not
in
the
minutes
yet.
Brian
transferral
requested
a
breakdown
on
a
periodic,
perhaps
quarterly
basis
of
what
have
one
of
the
things
that
have
been
done
for
what
it's
been
requested.
What
has
been
approved
and
what
has
been
actually
executed
upon
by
the
Service
Desk
mechanism
and
what?
What
is
the
rough
if
any
as
enter,
whether
it's
the
appropriate
question,
but
is
there
a
budget
number
we
can
put
on
that.
B
Okeydoke,
thank
you.
So
if
we
go
back
to,
if
you
look
in
Chris's
document,
which
is
linked
to
in
the
the
chat
window
there
you'll
see,
there
is
a
summary
of
the
thread
from
the
mailing
list.
I'm,
including
contributions
from
Jessie
Ben
Siegel,
my
Mac
client,
at
while
a
silver
and
myself
and
a
few
other
people
I
think.
B
B
Question
I
mean
remember:
we
have
some
some
conversations
with
a
couple
of
the
projects
like
committees
trying
to
us.
You
know
how
the
community
functions
and
whether
it
ought
to
provide
a
funded
part
person
who
could
wrangle
some
of
the
community
issues.
That's
what
I'm
talking
about
that
kind
of
thing,
yeah.
A
I
mean
that
hasn't
been
formally
requested,
at
least,
but
we
do
have
folks
on
staff.
You
know
Luke
purse
Luke,
Perkins,
Zach
and
others
that
kind
of
knew,
or
that
kind
of
do
this
role
somewhat
already
like
me,
or
does
it
for
kubernetes,
quite
a
bit
but
hasn't
been
formally
requested.
Commune
manage
is
a
broad
term
right
like
do
you
mean
github
rankling,
do
you
mean
taking
minutes
like
it's?
It's
a
kind
of
all
in
on
one
type,
job.
B
Things
that
we've
been
trying
to
do
it,
but
we've
works
with
open
source
projects.
His
have
one
of
the
community
managers
spend
time,
encouraging
contributions
talking
about
them
on
Twitter
and
other
places
and
generally
trying
to
bring
more
people
into
the
project.
It's
quite
a
it's
a
proactive
activity.
It
requires
somebody
to
actually
go
and
do
that
now.
Some
of
these
project,
open
source
projects
have
very
charismatic
or
energized
leads.
Who
just
do
that
anyway.
The
good
example
would
be
open
fast.
What
what
about
the
projects
where
we
think
some
help
could
be
provided.
A
Yeah
I
mean
we
have
folks
on
staff.
It
just
has
to
be
requested,
so
we
have
Luke
doing
examples
for
prometheus.
For
example,
Aurora
goes
around,
speaks
on
all
sorts
of
carbon
eighties
topics,
so
it
hasn't
been
formally
requested.
But
if
a
project
wants
someone
to
help
out
like
I
mean
part
of
what
you're
saying
is
also
a
bit
of
a
could
be
considered
like
a
developer,
marketing
function
or
even
marketing
function.
A
Right-
and
you
know
it's
been
a
sensitive
topic
in
the
past-
of
how
much
marketing
we
do
for
certain
projects,
so
I
think
it's
a
line.
We
have
to
be
careful
of
I,
think
having
a
community
manager
helping
ensure
that
projects
are
healthy,
or
you
know
spoken
to
in
a
way
that
they
understand
what
service
available
is
a
good
thing,
but
I
think
we
have
to
be
wary
about
marketing,
maybe
more
of
our
early
stage
projects
and
advertently,
which
has
been.
B
Citrate,
that's
true,
I
mean
it
could
be
a
service
for
incubated
projects
and
graduated.
You
know,
there's
things
like
maintaining
hygiene
in
the
conversation
on
again
up,
you
know:
we've
had
that
issue
it
with
a
few
places
I
just
you
know,
because
obviously,
if
that
doesn't
get
done
by
somebody,
you'll
have
to
be
done
by
volunteer
in
the
project
or
or
by
Chris.
That
means
you
or
somebody
else
in
the
TOC
who
wants
to
stick
their
nose
in
and
I
think
neither
of
those.
B
B
F
Yeah
I
was
gonna,
make
a
brief
comment,
which
is
that
you
know
many
of
these
projects,
don't
actually
know
what
they
need
and
they
don't
know
what
they're
missing
and
I
think
if
again
restating
what
you've
said
Alexis
if
we
could
take
the
lessons
learn
from
the
successful
projects,
for
example,
kubernetes
is
big
and
well-established,
and
has
you
know
community
hangouts
and
a
whole
bunch
of
other
things
that
smaller
projects
and
I'm
not
talking
about
the
sandbox
projects?
I'm
talking
about
the
incubating
and
graduated
projects
would
benefit
from.
B
That's
like
a
tiered
offering
on
a
SAS.
If
you
upgrade
to
the
community
manager
edition
you'll,
get
no
I.
Think
that's
a
good
idea.
I
mean
again,
it
goes
back
to
Brian's
point
about
about
sharing
information
about
what
the
projects
are
doing
and
what
we're
doing
to
the
projects.
So,
if
we
could
somehow
create
a
table
of
I
know
that
Chris
has
tried.
Some
of
these
things
before
create
a
table
off
here
are
some
things
that
we
are
seeing.
The
projects
do
like
this
project.
Has
a
community
manager
this
project?
B
G
Yeah,
I
and
I'll
just
speak
up
real
quick
here.
What
you
know
we
talked
about
the
automation
and
tooling
and
when
helm
was
under
kubernetes,
we
used
a
bit
of
that
and
now
that
we're
out,
instead
of
continuing
to
use
kubernetes
we're
actually
starting
to
write
some
of
our
own.
So
it's
a
little
different
because
we're
just
there's
certain
things.
G
We
want
to
do
a
little
differently
about
it,
but
it's
the
same
idea:
I
think
there
there
might
be
a
certain
amount
of
tooling
and
if
there
was
an
easy
way
to
share
it
and
I
mean
a
simple
one:
that
kubernetes
has
and
we're
bringing
back
over
on
home
is
doing
a
quick
analysis
of
PR
size
and
to
look
as
it's
small,
medium,
large
extra-large,
and
that
kind
of
thing.
So,
at
a
glance
we
can
get
that
via
labels,
and
is
that
something
others
would
want.
I
don't
know.
B
B
A
A
B
What
do
you
think
would
be
a
good
way
of
putting
together
a
plan
of
action
Chris
on
some
of
the
activities,
we're
minuted
and
also
responding
to
specific
negative
issues
coming
out
of
the
survey?
You
know
things
that
you
feel
that
they
didn't
get
elsewhere.
They
didn't
get
that
we
could
actually
set
out
as
I
plan
on
the
Mexica
Tom
yeah.
A
B
B
That
is
in
here,
that's
come
up
with
another
part
of
the
mailing
list.
Is
the
topic
of
mid-sized
community
scale
camp
as
Matt
call
them
campsite
camp
style
meetings?
What
are
your
feelings
on
that
Chris?
Do
you
think
that's
something
that
we
can
make
systematically
you
want
to
do
you
want
to
do
it
reactively?
What's
the
what's
your
feeling.
A
We've
we've
really
talked
to
our
marketing
team
to
explore
the
topic
for
next
year.
We've
already
had
ideas
around
doing
smaller,
more
regional
events
for
CNCs
next
year
in
kind
of
area
is
that
we
haven't.
You
know
they've
been
into
before,
like
India
or
South
America,
or
doing
like
a
three
city
type
tour
in
Europe.
A
Doing
kind
of
these
self-service,
WordCamp
style
events
for
the
community
is
something
I'm
open
to
exploring
I
know.
Our
events
team
is
basically
looking
at
this
now
and
seeing
if
we
could
kind
of
do
a
cloud
native
event
in
a
boxer
scene
as
if
in
a
box
for
folks
to
kind
of
hit
that
sweet
spot
between
small
meetup
to
you
know
large
cube
con
style
event.
So
we've
definitely
heard
the
feedback
and
and
we're
working
on
it
to
kind
of
come
up
with
a
solution
for
folks
and
I.
A
E
E
Yukon
yeah,
coupon
type
of
event,
I
could
a
major
event
sort
of
having
like
a
yep,
either
side
that
we
could
sit
down
with
you.
Had
the
projects
kind
of
rotate
through
like
have
to
kind
of
just
see
what
we
can
do
to
help
them,
how
things
are
going,
but
I
helped
so
we're
giving
them
that
kind
of
perspective.
Slash
joint
collaboration,
type
of
exercises.
A
Chat
with
them
I'm
ready
to
see
to
to
give
feedback
right
cool.
If,
if
you
want
to
do
that,
I'm
happy
to
enable
it
for
Cuba
and
Shanghai
in
Seattle
and
get
the
events
team
to
kind
of
do
an
office
hours
depending
on
your
schedule.
Essentially
it
maybe
have
folks
rotate
30-minute
slots
or
an
hour
if
you
think
that's
best
totally
flexible.
How
I
know
you're
super
busy
at
these
events
too.
So
it's
always
hard
to
schedule.
Things.
E
B
B
A
What
do
you
think
about
Island
Chris,
that's
more
yeah
yeah
I
mean
so
complex,
yeah,
that's
a
little
more
complex,
so
on
the
kubernetes
front,
we're
actually
working
with
the
kubernetes
community
to
essentially
select
a
vendor
for
this
there's.
Some
meetings
on
Friday,
so
I
think
the
communities
community
is
going
to
eventually
pick
a
vendor
to
do
this.
A
If
that
experience
goes
well,
I'm
open
to
kind
of
offering
this
as
a
service
for
other
projects.
But
you
know
these
bug.
Bounty
platforms
always
have
their
own
pros
and
cons
in
terms
of
false
positives
and
just
being
a
potential
drain
on
maintained,
errs
and
dealing
with
issues
so
but
yeah
we're
exploring
for
kubernetes
I.
Think
the
community
community
is
gonna,
make
a
decision
fairly
soon
over
the
next
few
weeks
on
a
vendor.
G
You
know
just
jump
in
here:
I
like
this,
for
like
released
versions
in
graduated
projects
or
something
like
that,
because
I
know
it's
costly
and
you
already
have
to
prove
yourself
and
so
not
throwing
it
out
there
for
everyone,
but
security
bug,
bounties,
I,
think's,
a
big
deal
and,
quite
frankly,
I.
Don't
think
many
of
the
projects
I've
worked
on
helm
in
kubernetes,
so
I
can
only
speak
to
those
spend
enough
time
dealing
with
security
and
threat
analysis
and
truly
understanding.
G
What's
going
on
so
I'm
sure
many
of
the
members,
especially
the
end
users,
are
really
concerned
with
security,
and
so,
if
there's
some
way
that
we
can
help
put
carrots
out
there
and
help
egg
this
along
in
the
projects,
I
really
like
being
able
to
put
that
out
there,
especially
for
graduated
projects,
you
mean
just
the
straight-up
security
bounty
for
security,
bugs
something
like
that.
Yeah
yeah.
D
G
Know
not
so
much
a
bug
bounty,
but
a
security
going
after
that
to
try
to
improve
the
security.
These
projects
and
I've
asked
about
some
things
and
folks
are
saying
well
we're
moving
too
fast
or
we're
too
busy
to
do
this
and
there's
somebody
who's
going
to
use
this
stuff.
I,
don't
like
carrying
that
I'd
like
to
kind
of
put
a
carrot
out
there,
an
incentive
eyes,
security.
A
Yeah
I
did
totally
with
you,
I
mean
one
thing
we
try
to
do
is
have
projects
go
kind
of
it
through
the
CII
badging
process,
which
helps
you
basically
at
least
start
with
a
security
disclosure
process
for
your
project
and
then,
but
that's
just
a
very
kind
of
you,
know
good
thing
to
have
in
early
days,
we've
done
security
and
we
spend
quite
a
quite
a
bit
of
money
on
security
audits,
also
which
kind
of
helped,
but
the
whole
bug
like
the
security
bounties
bug
bounties.
It's
a
different
different
problem.
A
Yeah
I
know
I,
like
I,
like
ideas
on
how
to
improve
security
for
projects,
so
just
keep
them
coming
and
we'll
see.
I
really
hope
with
the
kubernetes
experience,
we're
able
to
kind
of
offer
this
for
a
for
for
other
projects,
and
maybe
we
just
make
it
for
graduated
only
given
that
it
is
fairly
like
these
vendors
aren't
cheap,
like
you
said
so,
yeah.
C
C
Bounties
can
be
a
useful
part
of
that,
because
I
think
my
experience,
the
thing
that
most
readily
gets
that
culture
is
the
discovery
that
your
software
and
actually
be
exploited
in
ways
that
are
very
creative
and
things
that
you
do
not
intend
can
be
done
with
it
and
that's
a
that
can
be
a
big
wake-up
call
for
a
project.
So
a
bug
bounty
can
kind
of
get
them
to
that
point.
But
I
think
we
need
to
focus
on
how
to
foster
that
call
from
security.
What.
A
What's
your
thought
about
doing
like
the
security
audits
Brian,
because
for
some
projects
they
so
like
core
DNS,
you
know
they
found
a
couple
surprises.
Isn't
it
basically
for
stone
to,
you
know,
make
sure
they're
secured
a
disclosure
process
was
good.
It's
probably
easier
for
us
to
fund
a
security
audits
than
it
is
like.
A
third
party
bounty
tight,
tight
vendor,
but
I
I.
C
Think
if
I
and
again
I
would
be
in
kind
of
conversation
with
a
part
of
with
the
project,
I
think
if
they've
already
got
a
culture
of
security,
a
security
audit
is
probably
a
great
thing.
It's
something
that
will
be
welcomed,
I
think
if
they
don't
have
that
as
a
value,
the
security
audit
might
be
perceived
as
I
as
it's
an
IRS
on
it.
C
It
might
not
be
very
welcome,
so
I
think
we
would
just
need
to
work
with
the
project
and
I
think
that
what
what
we
want
to
see,
which
I
think
is
very
reasonable-
is
that
for
graduated
projects,
security
is
one
of
the
values
of
the
project.
It's
more
important!
It
much
more
important
to
me
that
security
is
one
of
the
values.
Then
it
is
quote
unquote
secure,
because
uhm
software,
by
its
nature
is,
is
you
can't
be
completely
secured,
so
it's
much
more
more
than
that.
C
A
H
Yeah
I
wanted
to
make
this
suggestion
that
I've
run
across
the
situation
a
couple
of
times
where
a
company
is
interested
in,
say,
better
security
for
project
X,
because
they
use
project
X
or
having
bug
bounties
on
something
they're
dependent
on,
and
if
there
were
a
mechanism
to
allow
companies
who
don't
want
to
set
up
their
own
bounties
to
act
to
be
able
to
inject
funding.
That's
project
specific
I
think
the
CNC
F
could
be
a
great
place
for
kind
of
managing
eyes.
F
I
think
that's
a
great
idea
and
one
brief
comment
about
security,
or
it's
I've,
put
many
projects
through
many
security
audits
and
there's
a
wide
range
of
usefulness
of
these
things,
ranging
from
complete
irritation,
useless
security
or
that
didn't
tell
us
anything
and
just
got
in
the
way.
Wow.
That's
amazing.
We
didn't
know
that
stuff
about
our
project
and
we're
going
to
jump
on
it
and
fix
it
up
and
and
I
think
it's
again
a
service,
the
CNC
it
can
provide.
Is
you
know?
F
What's
the
right
word
trial,
run
these
things
and
and
be
very
sure
that
the
security
ordered
process
and
team
and
whatever
vendors
we
select,
we
can
stand
behind
and
say
these
guys
are
great
and,
and
you
know
almost
everybody,
who's
used
them
and
the
CNC
F
is
very
happy
with
that.
As
opposed
to
you
know
the
far
other
extreme,
which
is
we
impose
this
useless
audit
on
all
projects
and
they
just
get.
A
Yeah
definitely
I
think
most
people
or
most
projects
that
have
been
through
our
kind
of
pilot
for
the
security
audit
have
been
fairly
happy
with
the
results,
and
it's
also
had
an
odd
side
effect
where
we've
actually
had
some,
let's
say
end-user
members
reach
out
and
have
been
thankful
for
public
security
audits
because,
let's
say
they're
looking
to
adopt
a
piece
of
software
and
based
on
their
regulated
in
hiring.
This
is
a
requirement
for
them
to
have
before
they
could
adopt
something.
G
A
G
A
F
B
B
F
B
It
all
right,
thank
you
thanks.
A
lot
can
bye-bye,
everybody
and
I
would
really
like
us
to
make
progress
on
the
github
issue.
Please
I
think
now
that
github
is
getting
its
approvals
from
the
EU
to
be
part
of
Microsoft
etcetera.
It's
a
great
time
to
ask
Microsoft
to
make
a
few
changes.
Okay,
bye,
bye,
take
care,
Alexis,
take.
E
A
We
have
a
new
incubation
proposal
from
the
harbor
project.
That's
requesting
a
vote
on
that
there's
still
the
security
working
group
proposal
there's
an
sed
and
fluency
thing
in
flight
and
then
there's
a
huge
backlog
of
projects
that
either
want
to
present
to
the
TOC
or
have
to
be
told
no
or
they
have
to
write
a
formal
proposal.
So
that's
something
for
you
to
all
kind
of
decide
upon.
F
Yeah
I
think
we
need
to
make
a
distinction
between
the
proposed
sandbox
projects
and
the
proposed
incubation
projects,
because
the
sense
I
got
and
I'm
not
sure
where
we
landed
on
this
is
that
we
do
want
to
hear
from
incubation
projects.
But
we
don't
necessarily
have
the
bandwidth
to
hear
from
where
the
sandbox
projects
are
certainly
not
in
this
session,
but
they
would
possibly
be
an
optional
separate
session
for
those
who
wanted
to
find
out
about
sandbox
projects.
E
It's
really
I
think
more
about
the.
If
I
kind
of
read
anything
the
emails
I
think
it
was
really
more
on
the
lines
of
what
kind
of
holding
them
up
and
slowing
them
down.
Have
them
come
in
present
to
us
right
when
the
most
value
said.
There's
not
a
vote.
Is
we
haven't
really
said,
I
mean
look
at
the
bar
to
get
into
the
sandbox.
It's
not
super
high
and
so
we'll
be
doing
more
I'm.
Making
them
wait
to
present
to
us
all
this
time.
E
That
would
just
allow
them
to
go
into
the
sandbox
and
document.
You
know
have
a
document
correctly,
but
also
we
want
to
kind
of
cut
back
on
some
of
the
marketing
that
was
going
on
by
these
projects
by
being
in
the
sandbox
is
really
not
it's
only
not
a
statement
by
the
CTF
that
these
projects
are.
You
know,
necessarily,
you
know,
be
projects
that
we
are
backing
as
a
community,
but
we're
not
also
not
backing
them.
So
it's
kind
of
a
rush
minutes
kind
of
figure.
I
We
list
our
our
graduated
in
our
incubated
projects
and
we
describe
those
as
matching
up
for
suitable
for
early
project
pragmatists
and
we
make
the
argument
that
kubernetes
cross
the
chasm
in
2018
and
then
incubating
is
suitable
for
early
adopters
or
visionaries.
But
we
make
this
idea
that
sandbox
is
for
innovators
or
techies.
So
it's
the
very
small
leading
edge
there.
I.
E
I
E
F
A
E
I
E
I
E
Cool
it
would
be
I
need
to
be
helpful,
can't
look
at
that
and
how
weak
is
it
I
know.
I'm
gonna
I
was
asked
by
one
of
the
projects
to
talk
with
a
journalist,
also
about
not
the
project,
but
just
in
general
and
I.
I
can
see,
based
on
this
scheme
on
Twitter,
that
we
have
to
be
kind
of
careful
with
this,
because
it
could
definitely
lead
to
the
things
were
not
intending
so
I
think
it's
a
good
good
feedback,
not
just
for
you
Dan,
but
I.
Think
for
all
of
us.
C
And
I
think
the
way
to
resolve
this
is
just
to
to
lower
the
bar,
in
terms
of
we
talked
about
allowing
projects
into
the
sandbox,
with
the
approval
of
one
or
two
TLC
members.
If
we,
if
we
do
that
consistently,
that
will
that
will
have
the
effect
I
think
that
we
want,
because
the
projects
will
realize
that
actually
this
is
attainable.
This
is
actually
doesn't
actually
mean
anything.
It's
just
kind
of
like
I
mentioned
this
me
anything,
but
it
is.
It
is
akin
to
hosting
your
project
on
github.
C
Just
because
your
host
or
heart,
don't
get
hub
does
not
mean
that
Microsoft
endorses
what
you're
doing
and
that's
what
we
want.
I
mean
I
think
we
want.
We
want
to
provide
yeah,
you
host
your
project
and
github,
because
you
have
all
these
services
that
are
available
to
you,
but
it
doesn't
mean
that
get
hubs
make
me
an
endorsement
away
and
I.
Think
that
that's
one
approach
I
see.
H
I
think
I
think
I
was
just
gonna,
make
sort
of
a
similar
point
in
another
way,
which
is
even
describing
sandbox
projects
as
somehow
being
like
the
leading
edge
or
the
thought.
Innovators
is
actually
pretty
highly
endorses
and
if
the
intention
is
and
and
I
think,
I
understand
that
the
intention
is
to
provide
an
area
for
people
to
collaborate
and
experiment.
But
that's
different
than
saying
this
is
the
leading
edge
of
open-source
projects.
Yeah.
C
G
I
I
C
This
is
all
for
techies,
so
that's
a
very
peculiar
way
of
describe
you.
Let's
just
go
with
Bob's
description,
which
I
think
is
is
pretty
concise
and
lots
of
numbers.
The
TSA
object,
I
think
that
captures
the
spirit.
What
we're
trying
to
do
it.
It's
the
sandbox
projects,
create
a
place
for
the
community
to
experiment
yet
I
I.
A
E
A
E
A
There
may
be
potential
graduation
review
and
stuff,
because
there's
some
projects
that
I've
expressed
interest
in
doing
a
graduation
review
I
believe
envoy
is
interested
so,
but
they
haven't
finalized
it.
Yet
so
I
could
add
those
as
they
come
up
and
also
the
maintainer
survey
results
in
kind
of
finalized
forms
with
takeaway.
I
will
also
add
it
for
the
agenda.
November,
6
and
then
Patrick
just
said
container
D
wants
to
be
proposed
for
graduation
of
ever
six,
so
I
think
we're
gonna,
see
a
you
know
a
few
or
requests
yeah
yeah.
A
A
We
don't
we
don't
so
we
so
the
TOC
need
to
decide
whether
you
want
to
invite
them
to
present
or
just
have
them,
formalize
the
proposal
and
go
on
the
hunt
for
TOC
sponsors.
So
if
it's,
the
latter,
like
which
I
think
you're
pushing
for
sandbox
protection
project,
to
do
unhappy,
just
tell
them
come
back
with
their
project
proposal
and
at
home.
Okay,
yeah,
we'll
also
I'll,
just
do
that.
If
no
one
objects.
F
Just
one
variant
on
that
I
thought
that
there
was
some
interest
from
the
community
and
some
members
of
the
TRC
in
some
of
the
sandbox
projects,
and
so
one
possibility
would
be
to
have
an
separate,
completely
optional
forum,
where
sandbox
could
optionally
present
and
TRC
members
or
the
community
could
optionally
attend
and
and
handle
it.
That
way,
rather
than
just
saying
there
are
none
or
there
are
some
at
the
TMC
meeting.
I
think
the
answer
is
there
are
none.
There
are
no
sandbox
presentations
that
the
formal
tea
see
meeting.
F
C
E
A
All
I'll
reach
out
to
them
and
let
them
know
on
that
proposal
friend,
if
there's
any
TOC
sponsors
that
want
to
sponsor
key
cloak.
Let
me
know
I'm
happy
to
to
help
them
with
the
proposal.