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A
One
apology,
counselor
pauline
young,
is
an
apology,
so
just
I'm
happy
to
move
an
apology
in
a
second
from
councillor
gates.
Actually,
yes,
sorry,
I
should
say
that
we're
up
and
running
and
we
should
be
streaming
shouldn't.
We
sorry.
So
are
we
already
streaming?
A
No,
we
are
all
good,
so
moved
by
myself
seconded
by
councillor
gates.
This
is
for
the
apology
for
council
pauline
young,
all
those
in
favor,
okay,
that
is
carried.
Firstly,
confirmation
of
the
minutes
is
starred.
A
A
A
So
what
we'll
do
is
we'll
take
the
vote
on
one
and
five,
all
those
in
favor
that
is
carried
it
was
taken
to
councillor
toza.
Sorry,
just
so,
you
know
yeah.
Thank
you
item
two
conflicts
of
interest.
I'm
not
aware
of
any.
Does
anyone
have
any
conflicts
at
all
that
they
needed
to
declare?
No
okay,
so
we
can
move
on.
Rather
than
going
to
item
three
we're
actually
going
to
go
to
item
four
in
the
first
instance,
which
is
a
presentation
by
destination
gold
coast.
A
It
is
in
closed
session,
so
I
will
actually
need
someone
to
move
us
into
closed.
Sorry,
oh
sorry,
and
the
reason
local
government
budget
negotiations
relating
to
a
commercial
matter
involving
the
local
government,
for
which
public
discussion
could
be
likely
to
be
prejudice.
A
A
A
A
And
we
are
streaming
again,
councillors
want
to
deal
with
the
recommendation
on
the
presentation
that
that
we've
just
had
not
that
one
but
item
four.
I
think
it
was
wasn't
it
four
or
five.
Four.
A
A
Let's
have
a
look
there
we
go.
That
is
good,
so
counselors.
B
Run
buy
us
the
background
to
the
cost-benefit
analysis.
Please,
oh.
E
Three
three,
mr
chair:
thanks
for
the
question
councillor
gates,
the
the
reason
for
the
cost
benefit
analysis
is
there's
25
000
businesses
that
contribute
to
the
the
tourism
levy.
Out
of
that
dgc
have
633
members.
What
we
want
to
do
with
dgc
is
have
a
look.
Is
there
a
better
way
that
we
can
actually
evaluate
whether
how
their
membership
should
go
so
in
the
past
and
their
membership's
grown
by?
I
think
about
200
in
the
last
year,
since
it's
been
free,
so
a
lot
of
their
members,
the
high
end
of
the
market?
E
What
we're
trying
to
do
is
understand.
They
should
be
looking
also
working
with
a
lot
of
the
low
end
of
the
mark,
the
mum
and
dad
sort
of
operators
and
those
tourism
operators
that
are,
you,
know
less
that
need
that
support
more
so
than
anything.
So
what
we've
sort
of
worked
with
dgc
is
to
be
able
to
sit
down
and
say:
let's
work
out.
Is
there
a
better
way
that
we
can
do
the
membership
side
of
things
for
them
to
to
grow?
That
membership?
B
So
in
our
closed
session
presentation
there
was
mention
of
a
database
that
was
in
their
possession.
Would
you
know,
has
it
have?
They
circulated
the
information
about
free
membership
to
that
entire
database?
Yeah.
E
So
they've
they've
circulated
that
membership
that
that
the
free
membership
and
they've
still
only
had
the
633.
E
C
F
F
A
Okay,
all
right
councillors.
Oh
we've
got
a
mover,
have
we
that's
councillor
gates?
Yes
and
I'm
happy
to
second
it
or
no?
We
had
councillor
patterson.
I
think
it
was
actually
second
to
council
patterson
for
the
recommendation
that
he's
on
the
screen.
There
are
we
happy
to
take
the
votes?
No
further
questions
or
okay,
we'll
take
the
vote,
all
those
in
favor
that
is
carried
and
thanks
steve.
We
will
now
go
back
on
the
agenda.
Go
back
but
in
other
ways
go
forwards
on
item
three.
A
We
do
have
a
presentation
that
I
think
rachel's
going
to
you're,
kicking
it
off
rachel
or
darren,
kicking
it
off
with
the
you're
going
to
start
and
then
darren
will
come
in
and
do
the
the
economic
side
of
things
and
look
the
presentation.
I
would
ask
councillors.
A
Please
have
you
got
any
questions
because
I
don't
want
rachel
to
to
lose
her
flow,
because
we
may
well
find
that
any
questions
you
have
may
well
be
answered
further
on
in
the
presentation
so
jot
down
any
questions
that
you
might
have,
but
I
do
want
to
complete
rachel's
and
darren's
overall
presentation
before
we
go
to
questions.
Thank
you
off.
You
go
rachel.
G
There
we
go
my
apologies.
The
destination
tourism
management
plan
has
an
action
to
deliver
two
tourism
experiences
in
springbrook
and
the
gold
coast
into
land
that
are
accessible
and
diverse
in
their
offering
the
actually
includes
investigation
into
the
development
of
key
tourism
infrastructure
products
such
as
a
skywalk
or
a
sky
rail
in
2019
council
approved
the
undertaking
of
a
pre-feasibility
assessment
for
a
cableway
to
springbrook.
G
The
purpose
of
the
pre-feasibility
was
to
assess
whether
there's
an
economic
justification
for
a
cableway
to
springbook
and
what
the
likely
benefits
might
be.
The
assessment
was
completed
in
november
2020,
concluding
that
there
is
merit
in
a
cableway
to
springbrook,
particularly
as
part
of
a
broader
strategy
for
the
hinterland,
that
there's
market
opportunity
for
the
project
subject
to
more
detailed
analysis,
a
cable
way
proposal
could
break
even
within
10
years.
There
are
numerous
challenges
requiring
further
investigation
and
detailed
assessment.
However,
there
are
good
prospects
that
are
well
conceived.
Responsive
cableway
proposal
could
be
formulated.
G
It's
important
to
note
that
the
assessment
did
not
evaluate
any
particular
proposal
or
route
and
that
a
reference
design
has
not
been
prepared.
This
approach
was
adopted
deliberately
given
the
limitations
of
a
previous
feasibility
assessment
and
to
enable
best
practice,
innovative
and
unique
opportunities
to
be
explored.
G
Cities:
apologies.
The
area
of
study
for
the
pre-feasibility
assessment
is
shown
generally
by
the
red
outline
on
this
diagram.
It
broadly
extends
from
major
bar
in
the
top
right
of
the
slide
to
the
spring
brook
escarpment
towards
the
left.
The
springbok
national
park
covers
the
densely
vegetated
area
between
springbrook
and
the
ridgeline
that
extends
from
mount
nimmel
in
which
extends
from
mount
nimble
in
a
southwesterly
direction
towards
the
border
in
the
south,
2
400
hectares
of
springbrook
national
park
form
part
of
the
unesco
world
heritage
area,
the
gondwana
rainforest
of
australia.
G
The
springbrook
reserve
contains
outstanding
examples
of
evolutionary
history,
geological
processes,
biological
evolution
and
significant
habitats
for
threatened
plants
and
animals.
It's
important
to
note
that
the
queensland
state
government
manages
evaluates
and
authorises
eco-tourism
proposals
within
national
parks.
G
This
is
done
in
accordance
with
legislation
under
the
queensland
government,
nature
conservation,
act
of
1992,
best
practice
criteria
and
merit
criteria.
The
queensland
government's
eco-tourism
facilities
on
national
parks,
implementation
framework
guides
the
consideration
of
proposals
for
eco-tourism
in
operations
in
national
parks.
G
Broadly,
the
framework
requires
that
an
eco-tourism
facility
on
a
national
park
should
offer
a
unique
or
innovative
experience,
an
experience
that
is
different
to
that
that
is
already
available
in
the
national
park.
Also
that
an
eco-tourism
facility
should
focus
on
presenting
the
area's
unique
natural
and
cultural
values.
G
The
framework
for
ecotourism
facilities
on
national
parks
has
several
overarching
principles
for
best
practice,
including
being
compatible
with
the
outstanding
natural
and
cultural
values
of
the
springbrook
national
park
and
world
heritage
area,
fitting
within
the
character
of
the
springbrook
national
park.
Minimising
its
footprint
within
and
any
associated
impacts,
contributing
to
protecting
and
positively
enhancing
the
national
park,
engaging
with
involving
and
benefiting
traditional
owners
and
local
communities
and
encouraging
visitors
to
appreciate
and
to
want
to
protect
and
conserve
the
national
park.
G
The
pre-feasibility
assessment
was
done
in
two
phases.
In
the
first
instance,
our
high-level
desktop
investigation
was
undertaken
to
identify
opportunities
challenges
for
a
cableway
to
springbrook.
These
included
ecology,
visual
amenity,
bushfire
hazard,
cultural
and
heritage,
the
gold
coast,
tourism,
market
and
visitor
profile
and
demand
for
cableways.
G
The
proposition
of
a
cableway
has
significant
technical,
environmental,
social
and
market-based
challenges.
The
springbrook
national
park
forms
a
significant
remnant
of
the
radial
spur
of
the
ancient
tweed
shield
volcano,
it's
home
to
numerous
rare
and
threatened
fauna
species
and
a
great
diversity
of
plant
species.
G
The
area
in
this
diagram
that
is
hatched
shows
the
extent
of
the
world
heritage
area.
The
red
and
orange
areas
which
cover
most
of
the
area
of
interest,
indicate
the
extent
of
remnant
rain
of
remnant
forests.
The
power
green
illustrates
areas
of
remnant,
forest
regrowth
and
the
dark
green
areas
are
either
cleared
or
plantations.
G
At
some
point,
a
cave
away
to
springbrook
would
pass
through
areas
that
contain
nationally
and
indeed,
globally.
Significant
species
assessment
at
commonwealth
level
will
be
required
to
address
the
world
heritage,
area,
values
and
species
listed
under
the
environment,
protection
and
biodiversity
conservation
act
of
99.
G
A
future
proponent
would
be
required
to
undertake
a
full
environmental
impact
assessment,
and
the
environmental,
social
and
economic
impacts
would
be
considered.
An
incess
and
assessed
by
a
whole
of
government
process
spring
brook
is
well
visited
by
people
wanting
to
immerse
themselves
in
the
national
park
sea
waterfalls
and
experience
the
outstanding
views
over
the
forest
to
the
coast
view
sheds
from
extremely
popular
lookouts.
My
apologies,
I
am
too
trigger
happy
view.
Sheds
from
extremely
popular
lookouts
include
extensive
areas
of
high
visual
amenity
and
forested
areas
that
are
significant
for
scenic
amenity
and
for
landscape
character.
G
G
The
limited
visibility
shown
sorry,
the
limited
visibility
areas
are
shown
in
green,
and
these
are
predominantly
screened
by
topography
and
vegetation
and
have
potentially
lower
sensitivity
to
a
cableway
built
form.
These
view
sheds
currently
have
limited
or
no
visibility
from
public
areas
and
present
opportunities
for
a
cable
car
to
offer
views
that
would
not
otherwise
be
available.
G
G
Second,
at
the
international
visitors
and
even
pre-covered,
this
market
was
smaller
than
a
domestic
overnight
visitor
market.
The
third
is
the
domestic
day
visitor,
which
is
the
most
challenging
for
a
new
offering
to
target,
as
they
have
limited
time
to
spend
on
the
gold
coast,
providing
a
green
offer
to
supplement
the
gold
would
diversify
the
range
of
experiences
for
visitors
to
the
gold
coast
and
capitalising
the
natural
competitive
advantage
of
the
hinterland.
G
Overall
domestic
international
and
international
visitors
have
a
strong
desire
to
be
close
to
nature,
to
explore
and
discover
natural
areas
and
to
have
authentic
cultural
experiences
to
capture
a
share
of
the
gold
coast
visitor
market.
A
cable
way
to
springboard
would
need
to
offer
a
rich
variety
of
deeply
authentic
experiences,
driven
by
unique
values
of
the
area.
G
To
create
a
point
of
difference,
these
unique
values
include
such
things
as
the
gondwana
rainforests
of
australia,
world
heritage
area,
the
rich
and
diverse
local
ecology,
the
traditions
and
stories
of
the
local
first
nations
people,
european
history
of
the
region
and
the
character
and
spirit
of
the
local
community
I'll
now
hand
over
to
darren.
To
present
the
economic
and
financial
analysis.
D
D
In
terms
of
a
financial
break-even
analysis
which
was
undertaken,
it
determines
the
point
at
which
the
profits
of
the
project
equals
its
construction
costs
the
result
being
5.6
years.
The
capital
cost
estimate
is
170
million
dollars
and
considers,
as
rachel's
already
pointed
out,
a
10
kilometer
cableway
with
the
base
mid
and
destination
station.
D
The
indirect
or
flow-on
impacts
of
a
change
are
generated
at
a
broader
level,
and
the
economic
impacts
of
the
project
are
measured
in
terms
of
value
added
and
employment
and
jobs
during
construction.
The
total
contribution
per
annum
is
150
million
dollars
and
267
jobs
enduring
operations.
33.6
million
and
149
jobs.
D
In
terms
of
project
impacts
on
the
tourism
industry
as
a
result
of
the
cableway
operations,
the
total
contribution
to
the
tourism
industry
is
48.3
million
and
409
jobs,
assuming
five
percent
of
overnight
visitors
increase
their
stay
by
one
night.
This
equates
to
243
000
additional
visitor
nights
and
an
additional
52
million
dollars
in
expenditure.
D
G
At
completion
of
the
pre-feasibility
assessment,
the
city
sought
guidance
from
the
state
government
as
to
what
the
next
steps
might
be.
On
the
26th
of
march
this
year,
acting
director
general
of
the
department
of
environment
science
wrote
to
the
ceo
of
the
city
of
gold
coast
to
advise
that
the
state
sees
that
thorough
and
extensive
community
and
traditional
owner
consultation
would
be.
The
led
by
council
would
be
the
necessary
next
step
in
determining
a
feasibility
of
a
cableway,
as
well
as
seeking
to
understand
the
concerns
and
support
of
the
community
and
traditional
owners.
G
H
Before
you
move
on,
you
showed
me
that
letter,
and
that
was
actually
from
the
department
of
tourism,
not
the
department
of
environment.
It
was
copied
to
the
department
of
environment.
Thank
you,
yeah,
so,
department
of
tourism
wrote
that
later,
not
the
department
of
environment
they
were
copied
in
on
it,
but
yep
yeah.
I've
just
been
very
clear
that
yeah
thank.
G
You,
council,
tozo
the
pre-feasibility
assessment
found
that
the
area
shaded
on
this
diagram
has
potential
to
accommodate
a
cable
way
of
10
kilometers
in
length
and
offer
a
new
way
to
experience
the
springbrook
national
park.
The
focus
area
contains
part
of
the
springbrook
world
heritage
reserve
and
is
confirmed
by
state
and
local
government.
Gis
mapping
has
remnant
forests
and
significant
species.
G
G
It
also
has
high
priority
and
significantly
significant,
significantly
contained
constrained
view
sheds,
bushfire
hazards
and
other
significant
constraints.
However,
it
is
somewhat
less
constrained
than
that
then
further
up
the
valley
which
is
towards
the
border
in
the
south
and
therefore
may
have
more
potential
to
accommodate
a
well-conceived
cableway
proposal.
G
Ultimately,
the
details
for
a
cableway
route
stations
and
other
components
would
need
to
be
developed
by
a
proponent
that
intends
to
finance,
construct
and
operate
the
cableway.
However,
to
clarify
the
expectations
and
the
approval
process,
state
and
local
government
could
work
together
to
progress
a
certain
level
of
de-risking
and
a
business
case
development
before
seeking
market
interest.
This
would
provide
the
market
with
the
confidence
that
there's
a
coordinated
pathway
established
for
assessment.
G
Therefore,
following
the
council-led
consultation,
a
two-phase
process
is
proposed.
The
first
phase
would
start
with
the
state
and
local
government
developing
a
memorandum
of
understanding
to
establish
governments,
roles
and
responsibilities
before
working
together
for
the
de-risking
and
to
establish
the
foundations
of
a
business
case
subject
to
a
procurement
pathway
analysis.
The
approach
to
the
market
could
possibly
be
through
an
expression
of
interest
and
a
request
for
detailed
proposal
that
would
be
led
by
state
in
phase
two.
G
The
proponent
is
responsible
for
preparing
a
full
business
case,
undertaking
community
and
traditional
owner
consultation
and
seeking
approvals
and
resolving
tenure
arrangements,
as
well
as
undertaking
the
design,
construction
and
operations.
Through
this
phase
of
the
process,
government
would
be
available
to
support
the
proponent
as
established
by
phase
one.
G
The
pre-feasibility
assessment
concluded
that
there
is
an
economic,
justified
justification
for
a
cableway
to
springbrook
and
that
there
is
market
opportunity
for
the
project.
It
also
reconfirmed
that
the
fact
that
there
are
numerous
challenges
that
would
require
investigation
and
detailed
assessment.
G
I
Thank
you
for
your
chair.
Thank
you
for
the
presentation.
I
When
I
was
provided
with
the
reading,
I
was,
I
suppose,
a
little
perplexed
in
terms
of
what
I
felt
was
missing
from
that
the
information
and
particularly,
as
you
stated
in
your
introduction,
and
is
your
first
key
point
to
this-
is
that
there
is
merit
in
a
cable
way
as
part
of
a
broader
strategy
on
the
your
point.
5.3
in
terms
of
the
way
forward
doesn't
actually
point
to
any
broader
strategy.
I
D
D
You
know
investment
or
opportunity
or
master
planning
process
up
there
to
consider
the
other
things
or
you
know
other
opportunities
up
there,
and
that
would
be
part
of
that
de-risking
process
with
state
government
in
phase
one
and
a
lot
of
those.
You
can't
expect
the
cableway
proponent
to
do
a
lot
of
the
heavy
lifting
around
those
things.
So
there
might
be
other
opportunities
for
government
investment
to
support
the
cableway
as
well.
I
I
What
it
says
is
how
do
we,
you
know,
work
out
the
business
case
and
make
sure
that
everything
fits
with
this
piece
of
the
puzzle.
So
it
seems
to
be
a
bit
back.
The
front
I
see
on
your
brochure.
You've
got
the
photo
of
my
favorite
tree
in
the
world
as
probably
many
people's
favorite
tree
in
the
world,
so
the
antarctic
beech
tree
just
to
give
an
example
of
the
broader
strategy
where
I
think
we're
just
we
are
really
completely
lacking
in
the
hinterland.
I
Is
I'm
not
sure
if
you've
visited
these
trees?
Have
you
visited
this
tree?
Yeah?
Okay?
So
when
you
visit
it,
there's
a
kind
of
like
a
little
car
park
off
the
side.
There's
a
dinky
little
sign
you're
trying
your
best
to
go
and
find
it
and
then
some
locals
will
be
there.
You'll
have
a
million
people
at
pearling
brook
falls.
Last
time
I
was
up
there,
7
30,
on
a
wet,
not
particularly
great
sunday
morning,
couldn't
get
a
car
park
at
pearling
brook
floors,
and
it
was
busier
than
I've
ever
seen.
I
Pacific
fair
in
terms
of
walking
around
there.
So
I'm
curious
about
how
you
manage
that.
But
there's
no
one
here.
Not
only
is
there
not
no
one,
there
there's
no
one
actually
protecting
our
2000
year
old
trees
either.
So
I'm
last
well
when
we
were
able
to
go
to
new
zealand
whenever
that
was
last
time,
my
family
went
and
visited
the
older
oldest
trees
in
new
zealand
on
the
north
island
in
the
north
island.
I
We
paid
four
hundred
dollars
for
the
privilege
of
going
and
looking
at
a
tree,
and
it
was
worth
every
cent,
but
I
do
not
understand
how
we
go
and
talk
about
one
specific
project
when
you
in
your
in
your
document
has
suggested
a
broader
strategy,
so
you're
telling
me
that
it's
there,
but
it's
not
there.
So
is
there
something
that
I'm
missing,
because
there's
nothing
here
that
says
broader
strategy
for
the
hinterland.
D
Through
the
chair
again,
I
guess
in
just
presenting
the
the
cableway
piece
of
work.
We
absolutely
agree
with
you
that
there
is
a
broader
body
of
work
to
do
up
with
springbrook
and
building
that
experience,
including
what
exactly
what
you're
talking
about
wayfinding
we
understand.
There's
a
car
parking
issue.
There's
been
a
lot
of
other
studies
that
have
looked
at
springbrook.
In
particular,
I
guess
we
were
charged
with
looking
at
a
cableway
and
what
we're
suggesting
and
and
quite
clearly
is
that
a
cableway
is
not
the
silver
bullet.
I
I'm
curious
whether
it
would
whether
you
considered
then
before
bringing
to
us
a
recommendation
to
go
down
specifically
for
the
feasibility
study
of
a
cableway
is
that
we
investigate
I'm
curious.
Why
that's
not
a
resolution?
Okay,
so
we've
identified
that
a
cableway
has
merit
as
part
of
a
broader
strategy
of
the
hinterland.
How
come
the
first
recommendation
is
not
design
and
consider
a
broader
strategy
for
the
hinterland.
D
B
B
But
during
the
presentation
and
in
the
report,
it
was
made
clear
that
the
state
managers
evaluates,
I
think,
was
the
word
and
coordinates
such
projects
and
yet
in
the
recommendation
it
actually
suggests
going
to
consultation
prior
to
getting
the
mou
signed.
I
just
wondered:
was
that
your
intent
or
is
the
intent
to
establish
in
the
first
stage
the
memorandum
of
understanding
between
council
and
the
state,
because,
whilst
I
can
appreciate
where
we're
heading
and
why-
and
I
am
totally
supportive
of
the
project
being
de-risked-
should
it
proceed?
D
Through
the
chair,
I
guess
our
council
officer
preferred
recommendation
was
actually
to
sign
up
with
state
government
and
exactly
do
that
is
to
do
that
de-risking
process
together.
They
have
clearly
come
back
to
us
with
their
preference
that
we
undertake
some
community
consultation
and
traditional
ownership,
consultation
or
engagement
before
that
they
would
come
back
and
have
that
discussion
around.
You
know
an
understanding
or
a
joint,
a
joint
understanding
of
the
way
forward.
H
Thank
you,
council
orchestra,
so
I
just
want
to
clarify
this
idea
of
talking
to
the
state
government.
So
in
the
correspondence
that
we've
had,
it
occurs
to
me
that
primarily
our
engagement
as
council
has
been
with
the
department
of
tourism.
H
D
We've
had
a
number
of
workshops
with
the
pre-feasibility
consultant
that
led
that,
and
there
was
definitely
engagement
with
department,
environment
and
science
officers
and
officers
from
national
parks.
H
H
That's
missing
and
it's
a
significant
gap
for
us
to
proceed
and
even
in
entertain
the
idea
of
going
back
to
the
community.
The
agency
at
the
state
government,
who
is
actually
responsible
for
national
parks,
needs
to
have
engaged
with
us
in
writing
and
the
fact
that
that
doesn't
exist
beyond
a
state
officer.
H
Turning
up
at
a
workshop
causes
me
great
pause
and
I'm
not
convinced
that
us
spending
money
on
further
progressing
the
economic
and
community
consultation
exercise
without
actually
getting
something
in
writing
from
the
custodian
of
the
land
on
which
this
project
should
proceed
on.
H
It
makes
no
sense,
and
so
I
think
I
want
to
echo
councillor
gates
view
that,
without
a
merrimandum
of
understanding
with
the
state
that
involves
the
asset
custodian,
it
makes
no
sense
to
move
forward.
I
wanted
a
flag
I've.
I
prepared
a
very
similar
but
different
set
of
recommendations
for
the
committee
and
I'd
love
to
speak
to
that.
H
F
Thank
you
through
you
to
the
offices,
so
I've
been
a
councillor
since
2012,
and
I
appreciate
that
the
cable
car
may
have
been
subject
to
an
earlier
report
by
council,
but
it
hasn't
in
the
time
that
I've
been
here,
but
I
I
also
am
lucky
enough
to
have
lived
through
the
experience
of
the
broadwater
marine
project
and
all
of
the
other
variations
that
have
happened
since
then,
and
I
think
that
if
we're
going
to
look
at
creating
a
new
tourism
product
for
the
city,
we
need
to
start
by
making
sure
all
of
the
major
stakeholders
are
on
board
and
on
the
same
page,
and
I
appreciate
the
states
written
to
us,
suggesting
that
the
traditional
owners
be
consulted
and
that
clearly
makes
sense
and
that
we
engage
in
community
consultation.
F
That
makes
sense.
What
doesn't
make
sense
to
me
is
any
of
those
things
happening
before
the
state
is
actually
on
at
the
same
table,
and
I
know
that
at
the
last
version,
four
of
the
oceanside
cruise
ship
terminal
was
that
we
had
written
to
the
state
inviting
from
memory
the
coordinator
general
to
be
involved
with
that
particular
project.
F
And
it
just
strikes
me
that
it
would
make
the
world
of
sense
for
us
to
be
inviting
the
state
to
have
the
their
coordinator
general
involved
in
this
project.
So,
rather
than
us
have
the
correspondence
from
one
state
department
in
silence
from
the
another
state
department.
We
actually
were
engaging
with
the
principal
within
the
state
of
queensland
who
can
help
coordinate
the
various
arms
of
state
government.
So
do
you
have
any
thoughts
in
regards
to
these?
The
states
coordinator,
general
being
involved.
D
Brochure
and
par
part
of
that
process,
we
were
always
from
a
council
officer
point
of
view,
considering
that
this
would
be
a
coordinated
project,
because
it
does
involve
an
environmental
impact
assessment.
It
does
involve
epbc,
and
that
would
be
a
logical
avenue
for
an
approvals
process.
In
this
particular
case.
D
F
F
I
think
that
we
need
to
do
that
in
close
consultation
with
the
state
and
they
need
to,
and
that
needs
to
be
at
the
front
of
the
transaction,
and
I
know
that
we
slide
into
talking
about
proponents
from
time
to
time,
and
my
personal
view
is
that
if
the
city
is
going
to
be
staking
some
funds
in
regards
to
de-risking
it,
I
think
that
we
should
also
be
making
it
clear
at
the
very
start
that
the
city
won't
be
a
proponent
and
won't
be
staking
capital
past
a
pre,
a
feasibility
de-risking
exercise.
F
So
I
would
be
disappointed
if
the
if
what
came
out
of
the
talk
of
cableway
was
the
general
public
thinking
that
the
city
of
gold
coast
is
going
to
be
taking
a
investor
stake
in
a
170
million
dollar
project
that
might
take
five
and
a
half
years
to
repay.
That,
for
me,
is
is
for
private
capital
to
make
their
assessment
as
to
whether
or
not
that
makes
sense,
and
it's
from
for
me.
It's
for
the
state
as
the
effectively
the
controller
of
the
land
to
determine
whether
or
not
it
actually
makes
sense
for
the
state.
A
D
Through
the
chair,
that's
that's
correct.
Okay,
probably
just
wanted
to
clarify
department,
environment,
science
and
department
of
tourism
have
been
it's
been
a
very
collaborative
process
for
the
workshops
to
get
to
here.
I
didn't
have
any
expectation
that
they
wouldn't
continue.
You
know
consultational
collaboration
with
council
to
determine
how
the
communication
strategy
may
be
developed
or
the
outcomes
of
that.
I
would
have
thought
that
we
would
continue
to
consult
with
them
and
they've
been
very
helpful
to
date.
I
should
just.
D
I
If
I
can
just
come
back
to
the
broad
strategy
thing
again,
so
if
we're
doing
that,
who
does
that?
Would
it
be
scenic
rim,
council
with
us
with
the
state
government,
I
mean
I,
I
just
so
again
it's
the
first
point
in
your
document
and
what
you
said
that
we
need
the
broad
strategy
first
and
still
I'm
not
hearing
it.
You're
talking
about
de-risking
and
specific
things
it
will.
What
you're
talking
about
will
relate
to
the
cable
way.
So
how?
How
would
so,
if
I
was
going
to
alter
this,
how
would
we?
D
So
through
the
chair,
I
guess
we're
in
probably
six
months
into
probably
a
five
or
six
year
project
based
on
the
two
phases
of
projects,
so
a
de-risking
would
be
probably
two
years
with
government
and
then
the
actual
phase
two,
which
is
proponent
led,
would
be
three
years.
If
you've
got
an
eis
process
epbc,
then
you
know
construction.
So
I'm
just.
I
My
question
is,
as
is
pointed
out
in
your
introduction,
as
the
first
point
that's
required
is
that
this
becomes
is
works
as
part
of
a
broader
strategy
of
the
hinterland.
So
de-risking
of
the
cable
project
aside,
how
would
we
actually
go
about
creating
effectively
a
master
plan,
broader
strategy
for
the
hinterland?
Is
that
up
to
us,
or
is
that
up
to
the
scenic
brim
council.
D
Through
the
chair,
I
think
it
would
be
up
to
state
government
and
the
city
to
determine
that
broader
outcomes
for
springbrook.
I
Yes,
I
appreciate
that,
but
again
they're
all
done
within
the
context
of
how
to
make
the
cable
way
work
and
I
think
what
works
from
a
broader
strategy
perspective.
If
you
is
you
do
that
as
a
first
piece,
whether
the
cable
way
is
there
or
not,
right
so
for
my
example
of
the
antarctic,
beach
trees,
those
in
new
zealand,
where
they
know
how
to
do
this
stuff,
they
know
how
to
I
mean
the
fact
they
got
400
out
of
me
to
go
and
see
a
tree
right.
They
they
make
serious
money
out
of
this
stuff.
I
I
wouldn't
I
wasn't
allowed
in
there
until
my
feet
were
washed
onto
on
a
particular
thing.
We
haven't
any
consideration
of
that
and
I
don't
understand
how
that
kind
of
broader
strategy
does
not
happen
until
my
shoes
were
washed
on
my
feet.
Sorry,
how
it
I
just
don't
get
how
we're
not
thinking
about
the
broader
strategy
for
the
hinterland.
First,
those
details
will
not
come
into
a
de-risking
project
of
this.
So
it
sounds
like
that.
A
Yeah
look,
I
I
think
that
would
come
down
to
state.
I
mean
a
lot
of
this
land
is,
is
heritage.
You
know
listed
protected
forests,
so
I
think
it
would
come
down
to
state,
but
I'm
just
going
to
go
to
unless
you
were
going
to
move
the
recommendation,
because
I
had
councillor
gates
with
something
you
wanted
to
answer.
What
councilman.
H
That
it's
not
referenced
in
this
report.
To
be
frank,
it
doesn't
actually
talk
at
much
length
about
major
project
like
this,
but
it's
available
for
someone
to
read
if
they
would
like.
I
would
it'd
be
fair
to
say
that
I
don't
think
anything
that
we're
reviewing
today
is
in
conflict
with
the
springbook
visioning
plan,
necessarily,
but
that
springbrook
visioning
plan
is
a
is
it
a
council
adopted
document
that
is
meant
to
plan
for
the
future
of
the
springbrook
hinterland,
where
it
comes
to
community
development
and
council's
perception
of
that
area
as
a
tourism
asset?
I
D
B
A
B
Was
just
hoping
to
make
a
couple
of
points
of
clarification
for
councillor
patterson's
benefit?
This
document
is
not
a
council
document
prepared
by
staff.
It's
been
prepared
by
urban,
so
it's
not
their
their
document.
The
second
point
is
the
reason
that
the
cableway
is
before
us
today
is:
there's
been
for
many
years:
support
for
new
tourism
attractions
and
infrastructure
on
the
gold
coast
and
part
of
our
destination.
B
Tourism
management
plan
identified
a
cable
way,
so
it's
been
a
very,
very
long
journey
to
get
to
the
point
where
we
are
today
where
the
pre-visibility
was
supported,
and
now
at
this
point
we're
not
talking
about
all
the
other
things
that
would
cost
millions
and
millions
of
dollars,
we've
we've
reviewed
platforms
and
access
and
all
sorts
of
things
over
recent
years.
This
is
the
one
project
that
was
identified
that
we
wanted
the
most
information
about
in
order
to
possibly
de-risk
a
project
that
would
have
great
benefit
to
the
city
in
an
environmentally
sensitive
way.
I
So
through
your
chat,
I
do
appreciate
that,
and
I
do
understand
that
and
the
points
that
I'm
referring
to
are
not
only
in
this
particular
document,
but
they
are
in
council's
recommendations
and
reports
to
us
in
5.3.
I
So
by
its
own
the
own
statement,
I
I
really,
I
love
the
idea
of
a
cable
way
to
be
quite
honest.
I've
seen
it
work.
I've
been
to
other
places
where
these
work-
I
just
am
going
by
the
own,
the
the
actual
documents
that
you've
provided
me
that
there
should
be
a
broader
strategy.
First,
that's
all
so
coming
in
with
a
particular
project.
I
appreciate
that
how
it
has
happened
have
come
in,
but
the
the
recommendation
that's
before
us
now
says.
A
H
So
the
motion
that
I've
put
together
is
very
similar
to
the
officer's
recommendation
and
it
has
regard
for
some
of
the
conversation
or
some
of
the
debate.
That's
occurred
here
in
chambers
today.
H
I'm
neither
for
or
against
the
cableway.
I
want
to
be
very
clear
about
that.
I
don't,
I
don't
think
I
have
enough
information
to
form
a
view.
What
I
am
very
sure
about
is
that
the
world
heritage,
biodiversity
areas
of
springbrook
are
centrally
precious
to
our
city
and
our
city's
reputation
and
if
any
development
was
to
threaten
that,
I
think
we
should
not
go
ahead
with
that
development.
H
What
I
do
think
is
that,
based
on
the
economic
feasibility
that
that
irvis
has
prepared
it,
it
occurs
to
me
there
is
sufficient
profit
to
be
able
to
potentially
mitigate
some
of
those
environmental
impacts.
That's
that's
possible,
I'm
I'm!
I'm
saying
it's
not
inconceivable.
H
Some
would
argue
that
there
is
no
amount
of
money
that
could
mitigate
that
environmental
impact
and
I
don't
think
we
have
enough
information
to
be
sure
about
that.
Yet
so
the
motion
that
I've
put
together
here,
I'll
read
it
out,
so
people
who
are
streaming
can
see
it
for
what
it
is.
The
council
develop
and
execute
a
memorandum
of
understanding
between
the
queensland
state
government
and
city
of
gold
coast
to
consider
a
gold
coast
capability
in
the
springbrook
national
park
and
hinterland.
H
It's
perhaps
not
envisaged
that
all
of
that
would
be
used,
but
it
is
there
three
that
contract
lg
three
one,
four,
six,
two
one,
twenty
one,
one
two
is
varied
for
an
extension
of
time
and
increased
scope
and
value
to
provide
services
to
support
the
city
for
an
undertaking
of
a
divisional
owner
consultation
b
and
environmental
values.
Audit
inside
the
context
map
which
is
referred
to
in
the
urban
reporters
figure
2.1.
H
That
would
also
include
a
summary
of
probable
obligations
of
a
possible
future
cableway
proponent,
under
the
strategic
overview
for
management
of
the
gondwana
rainforest,
world
heritage
area,
2000
report
and
other
relevant
management
plan
reference
material,
as
provided
by
the
queensland
department
of
environment,
including
the
aforementioned
eco-tourism
framework,
which
is
not
in
my
words,
but
the
the
officers
referenced,
that
ecotourism
framework
and
c
establishing
a
method
to
progress.
A
proponent-led
development
of
a
business
case
and
four
subject
to
two
to
four
above.
H
H
Thank
you
all
right.
The
reason
that
I've
proposed
this
in
its
current
form
is
because
I,
like
I
said
before
when
echo
council
of
gates
view
that
the
first
and
most
important
thing
for
us
to
do
is
strike
a
memorandum
of
understanding
with
the
state
and
not
just
one
department
of
the
state,
but
the
state
government
in
its
entirety.
So
the
environment
and
the
tourism
department
and
any
other
relevant
departments
are
all
on
the
same
page
with
council
and
that
is
to
protect
gold
coast
rate
payers
money.
H
It
makes
no
sense
in
us
wasting
even
one
cent
of
rate
payers
money
on
a
project
that
is
doomed
to
fail
under
the
state
government's
asset
custodianship.
H
It
may
be
that
the
state
government
you
know,
may
not
want
to
advance
this
project,
and
we
should
determine
that
at
the
first
protocol,
rather
than
spending
one
extra
dollar
on
community
consultation.
There's
been
plenty
of
media.
There's
been
plenty
of
community
consultation.
Up
to
this
point,
and
frankly,
this
report
that
we're
reviewing
today
and
considering
today
is
in
the
public
domain
for
anyone
to
read
and
they
can
offer
their
feedback.
I
have
received
emails.
H
All
this
week
from
people
sharing
their
view
about
the
urban
report
and
elements
of
it
that
they
either
disagree
with,
or
they
agree
with,
and
I
think
that
that
process
is
an
important
community
consultation
process.
That's
being
undertaken
number
two
addresses
very
clearly
the
amount
of
money
that
may
be
used.
I
think
it's
very
important
for
the
public
to
understand
that
that
amount
of
money
is
actually
not
all
going
to
be
funded
into
one.
It
won't
necessarily
be
spent.
H
It
is
a
provision
for
us
to
advance
elements,
and
unless
one
in
the
motion
is
successful,
it
really
makes
no
sense
to
advance
to
in
any
form,
but
it
also
makes
sure
that
the
state
government
understands
that
the
city
of
gold
coast
has
included
a
cape
away
in
its
destination
tourism
management
plan
and
whether
I
personally
agree
with
or
whether
any
member
of
the
public
personally
agrees
with
those
inclusions
or
not.
It's
actually
important
for
us
to
stick
to
the
strategies
that
we've
set
for
our
city
and
as
a
team
we
have
adopted
together.
H
The
third
part
enables
us
to
vary
the
contract
that
exists.
That
does
not
mean
we
would
necessarily
use
the
same
suppliers
on
that
contract.
It
doesn't
mean
we'll
necessarily
use
erbis
or
anything
like
that.
It
just
enables
the
officers
to
engage
under
the
terms
of
that
contract
to
attain
the
services
that
we
might
need
to
do
a
b
and
c
in
this
motion
and
then
number
four
is
a
provision
for
us
to
go
back
to
the
community
once
some
of
that
other
work
has
been
done.
H
I
just
want
to
speak
to
3b
3b
talks
about
an
environmental
values
audit.
There
is
no
doubt
in
our
city
that
the
national
park
is
a
really
important
part
of
how
we
promote
the
city,
and
there
are
environmental
values
in
the
target
area
or
the
focus
area
of
the
report
that
has
value
to
the
city.
That's
not
necessarily
economic.
We
can
quantify
things
economically,
but
our
society
is
more
than
an
economy.
H
It's
not
just
the
dollars
that
we
make
or
the
jobs
that
we
create
or
the
the
economic
growth
that
we
that
we
advance
our
society
is
more
than
that
there
are
environmental
values,
there's
quality
of
life,
pro
elements,
there's
there's
there's
other
community
values
that
extend
beyond
economy,
and
I
think
this
environmental
values
audit
is
effectively
trying
to
say
that
inside
that
snapshot
that
we're
considering
for
this
cableway.
H
What
are
the
environmental
values
in
there?
What
are
the
weed
management
issues
in
there?
What
are
the
pest
management
issues
in
there?
What
are
the
world
heritage
values
that
are
informed
by
the
gondwana
rainforest
management
plan?
And
how
can
we
make
sure
that
we
understand
those
better
to
inform
a
future
proponent
about
their
obligations
if
they
are
to
invest
in
our
city?
And
that's
that's
an
important
part
of
this
motion,
and
I
hope
that
counsellors
will
take
a
look
at
this
and
consider
it
worthy
of
their
support.
I
Thank
you
chair
through
you.
I
was
wondering
if
councillor
toza
would
consider
a
slight
change
which
I
don't
think
changes
his
intent,
which
would
be
in
three
point
a
to
change.
The
wording
to
for
the
undertaking
of
defining
a
broader
strategy
for
the
hint
land,
including
through
traditional
owner
consultation,.
H
Happy
to
put
maybe
in
in
order
to
attain
councillor
paterson's
support,
I'm
happy
to
have
consideration
of
a
broader
hinterland
strategy.
I've
got
to
say
that
I
think
this
project.
H
Is
separate
to
that
separate
body
of
work
and
I'd
be
more
inclined
to
to
have
a
general
business
item
that
specifically
achieves
what
councillor
patterson
is
seeking,
rather
than
integrated
into
this
motion.
I
actually
think
I
prefer
to
do
it
separately
and
I'd
be
happy
to
offer
second
a
separate
gb
item
to
deal
with
that,
if
that's
a
future
report
of
the
economic
development
unit
of
council,
okay,.
I
C
A
Counselor
toes
has
you
know
spoken
to
the
motion.
Are
there
any
other
speakers
or
any
other
questions
about
the
motion.
G
Mr
chair,
there
was
an
addition
was
that
edition
put
in
there
that
you
spoke
about?
G
H
Sorry
there
was
a
it
was
a
report
referenced
by
the
officer
that
I
think
was
referred
to
as
the
ecotourism
framework.
Is
that
what
it's
called?
Is
that
sufficient
words-
and
it
goes
after
at
the
end
of
2b,
where
it
says
queensland,
department
of
environment
I
just
put
in
brackets,
including
the
ecotourism
framework-
I'm
not
sure
what
that
document
is,
but
I
wasn't
aware
of
it
until
you
mentioned
it
in
your
presentation
and
I
think
it's
an
important
reference
document.
D
B
Oh
sorry,
chairman,
I
just
need
to
have
a
better
understanding
before
I
can
support
this
of
3.3b
and
why,
at
this
point
in
time,
it's
necessary
to
have
that
there
and
I
don't
think
it
should
be
3
1,
a
2
b,
3
c.
It
should
just
be
3
a
b
and
c.
Thank
you
yeah.
So
if
councillor
toza
could
enlighten
me
on
that.
H
Yeah
so
the
reason
I've
included
3b
is
because,
in
in
the
report,
it
talks
about
the
gap
in
understanding
all
of
the
environmental
values
and
the
management
plan
that
was
adopted
by
both
the
state
and
federal
government
in
2000
is
20
years
old
and
like
any
development,
location
or
area
or
geographic
area
in
20
years,
things
change.
And
so,
whilst
I
don't
want
to
rehash
that
entire
project,
I
think,
with
specific
reference
to
what
we
are
generally
trying
to
achieve
in
the
target
area
in
figure
2.1
in
the
urban
report.
H
H
H
So
when
someone
comes
in
with
mud
from
another
location,
brings
it
into
one
location
from
another
location
that
creates
weeds,
that's
just
one
very
simple
example
of
impact,
and
so
what
I
think
is
currently
lacking
in
all
the
community
consultation
that
we've
done
is
there's
no
conversation
about
what
what
the
actual
environmental
values
are
inside
there
inside
that
area.
The
only
thing
we
have
is
20
years
old
and
I
think
it's
important
to
refresh
ourselves
before
we
further
advance
this
project.
Does
that
answer
the
question.
B
Well,
it
does,
but
I
was
more
comfortable
with
two
as
part
of
the
officer
recommendation,
which
outlined
the
way
forward
in
section
5.3,
because
the
project
de-risking
involved
proposal,
assessment
tenure,
approvals,
eis,
epbc
and
native
title,
and
I
was
more
comfortable
with
all
of
that
being
included
within
rather
than
that
specific
environmental
values
audit.
So
I
would,
I
would
foreshadow
a
emotion
that
is
similar,
but
that
includes
some
of
the
original
recommendation.
H
But
I
have
I
have
no
objection
to
elements
of
section,
5.3
or
even
all
of
section
5.3.
The
wording
section
5.3
being
included
in
three.
H
B
Sorry,
I'm
sorry
I'm
trying
to
to
work
with
you
here,
but
what
I
had
hoped
was
that
we
would
say
leave
the
one
as
it
exists
in
the
recommendation.
B
Make
it
a
two:
is
your
number
one
and
then
a
three
that
says,
council
endorses
the
proposed
way
forward,
as
outlined
in
section
5.3,
including
the
undertaking
of
a
community
and
traditional
owner
consultation
process
and
the
establishing
a
method
to
progress,
the
proponent-led
development
of
a
business
case,
and
you
know,
obviously,
the
funding
commitment
and
their
contract
variation
as
existed
in
the
recommendation.
That
would
be
my
preference.
H
I
feel
like
what
we've
proposed
on
the
on
the
table.
There
encompasses
what
councilor
gates
wants.
I
I'm
very
I'm
fixed
on
making
sure
that
explicitly
in
the
recommendation
we
move
today
that
we
talk
about
the
environmental
values
section
5.3
isn't
adequate
to
convey
to
the
public.
How
important
the
environment
in
this
area
is.
D
Through
the
chair,
could
I
just
just
advise
that
currently,
as
the
recommendation
reads,
we
wouldn't
be
getting
urbans
to
do
traditional
ownership
consultation
and
it's
the
actual
resolution
for
the
urban
engagement.
It
has
to
be
separate
to
the
to
those
bodies
of
work.
D
H
F
H
B
B
F
I
D
So
through
the
chair
we
were
going
to
engage
under
a
strategy
for
communication
for
community.
We
would
deal
directly
with
traditional
owners
around
that
piece
of
work.
We
were
seeking
herbis
to
be
extended
to
support
us
to
do
those
bodies
of
work.
B
F
F
So
that,
as
roughly
sketched
out
at
the
moment
in
terms
of
five
allows,
officers
to
separately
engage
with
the
traditional
land
owners
and
the
five
is
about
extending
an
existing
contract
with
airbus
to
do
other
works,
including
consultation
at
some
point
in
the
future.
Is
that
right.
D
So
through
the
chair,
we're
going
to
go
to
open
market
for
a
communications
consultant
as
a
result
of
that
process.
There
may
be
questions
from
the
community
that
we
might
need
to
go
back
to
herbis,
to
give
us
that
information
to
go
back
to
the
community
and
that's
why
we're
extending
herbs
given
they've
done
that
body
of
work
and
the
and.
F
Council
of
toes's
initial
motion
would
have
seen
us
bearing
the
contract
to
engage
urbus
to
do
the
traditional
land
owner
consultation
which
isn't
through
the
chair.
That's
correct,
okay,
so
so
in.
To
my
mind,
this
is
a
is
a
better
option
than
engaging
urbans
to
do
the
work
that
our
officers
should
rightfully
be
doing,
and
the
city
solicitor
also
agrees
with
us
all.
Yes,.
A
Five
point
three:
so
your
understanding
is
counselor
tozu.
You
had
to
duck
out
to
take
a
call
about
the
kids
at
school.
I
think,
but
councillor
toza
was
speaking
about
the
the
environmental
audit.
He.
I
I
think
sorry,
just
on
just
two
points
on
it.
So
first
one
is
no.
I
think
counselor
tozo
was
quite
generous
in
saying
that
he
wanted
it
if
it
was
followed
his
intent.
So
I
think
and
he's
back
in
the
room,
so
he
can
check
whether
that
was
the
case,
and
I
think
he
still
wants
that
wording
in
and
there's
something
else.
I
was
wondering
if
councillor
gates
would
consider-
and
that
is
this-
is
effectively
a
project
which
will
ultimately
be
a
for-profit
project
for
the
ultimate
owner
and
developer
of
the
cableway.
I
And
so
in
what
point?
Is
it
in
point
four,
where
we
include
five
hundred
thousand
thousand
dollars?
Could
we
add
wording
to
suggest
that
all
that
the
ultimate
proponent
of
the
cable
way
would
reimburse
public
funds
for
this
investigation?
H
So
sorry
to
have
left
that
was
my
kid's
school
and
I'm
very
sorry,
but
I'm
reading
the
motion,
that's
on
the
table
here
and
I've
got
to
say.
The
motion
that
I
had
before
was
intended
to
communicate
something
different
to
the
public
and
I'm
not
sure
I'd
be
able
to
support
this
in
its
current
form.
H
It
doesn't
seem
to
capture
the
things
that
I
was
trying
to
communicate
in
the
proposed
motion
I
put
up,
which
I
believe
was
seconded,
so
I
prefer
to
have
my
motion
dealt
with
and
lost
then
concede
my
motion
to
something
that
doesn't
represent
what
I
hoped.
H
A
Okay,
so
what
I'll
do
is
it
it
I'll
come
to
you
in
one
second
counselor
hamill?
So
if
we
add
that
we'll
take
that,
as
as
your
motion
we'll
have
counselor
gates
is
as
a
foreshadow
motion
which
would
exclude
councillor
gates,
you're
happy
with
that,
so
we
can
vote
on
this
motion.
If
this
motion
goes
down,
we
then
go
back
to
councillor
gates's
motion,
as
as
we
just
saw
which
didn't
which
made
reference
to
5.3
but
didn't
make
any
specific
reference
to
environmental
audit.
B
Mr
stewart
advised
that
we
couldn't
move
councillor
toes's
motion
in
the
way
that
it
was
put
forward
because
of
the
the
way
that
it
varied
the
arrangement
with
urban.
So
I
I
believe,
if
you
intend
putting
counselor
tozer's
motion
forward,
it
needs
to
be
proper,
a
proper
motion
and
at
the
moment,
I'm
not
sure
that
it
is
so.
H
F
Mr
chair,
it
might
help
if
the
city
solicitor
was
able
to
provide
some
advice
regarding
the
wording,
because
I
think
my
understanding
is
that
we
we're
not
doing
the
right
thing
by
having
it
structured
like
that.
Clearly,
counselor
tozer
is
trying
to
make
it
a
valid
motion,
but
we're
lucky
enough
to
have
a
city
solicitor.
He
might
actually
be
able
to
assist
us.
C
Through
the
chair,
counselor
told
us,
while
you
were
out
of
the
room,
darren
actually
explained
the
difference
between
what
you'd
had
you
have
proposed
in
relation
to
the
contract
and
what
his
proposed
resolution
provides
for
in
the
amendment
that
darren's
wanting
to
provide
to
the
contract.
So
the
variation
it's
just
so
that
if
in
the
process
of
doing
the
consultation,
there's
information
required
through
urbis
or
that
we
need
to
feed
back
to
whoever
is
doing
the
traditional
owner
consultation,
we've
still
got
them
on
the
books
they're
still
available.
H
Very
much
agree
with
what
the
city
solicitor
is
suggesting
and
she's
explained
the
intent
and
when
I
put
together
the
words
for
three,
I'm
not
saying
that
contract
should
deliver
a
b
and
c.
I'm
saying
that
contracts
should
be
varied
for
an
extension
of
time
and
increase
to
provide
services
to
support
the
city
for
the
undertaking,
which
is
exactly
the
same
words
in
the
original.
H
H
C
Through
you,
mr
chair,
I
I
understand
the
point
that
you're
making,
but
I
think
that
the
way
that
it's
drafted
raises
the
concern
that
darren
has
flagged
that
it
reads
to
most
people
as
if
what
you're
doing
is
extending
that
particular
contract
to
provide
those
particular
services.
I
think
we
can
easily
tweak
that
so
that
that's
not
a
concern,
and
I
think
that's
something
we
can
do
pretty
easily
I'm
happy
to
go
over
and
assist
if.
H
No,
no
in
in
my
current
motion,
so
it
says:
support
the
city
in
three
just
go
to
the
end
of
the
end
of
the
word
city
at
the
top
yep
just
press
enter
and
that
the
council
undertake
the
way
forward
in
section.
That's
it
leave
it
to
that
and
you
can
just
bring
that
the
rest
of
it
up
with
that.
Could
could
ask
through
the
chair
to
the
city
solicitor.
Would
that
adequately
separate
those
two
elements
such
that
we
could
move
forward.
H
J
Sorry,
mr
check,
the
question
is
in
regards
to
councillor
gators
foreshadowed
motion,
so
just
not
being
sure
where
we're
actually
at
are
we
voting
on
this
one
first
and
then
because
if
we
are,
I
won't
worry
about
my
question
until
we
get
to
the
foreshadowed.
J
All
right,
okay,
so,
mr
chair,
my
question:
perhaps
the
councillor
gates
or
but
is
there,
was
a
clear
kind
of
procedure
to
this
that
until
we
had
the
mou
in
place
that
nothing
else
happened
or
that
no
city
funds
would
be
expended,
I'm
just
wondering
if
her
motion
works
the
same
or
can
that
be
done
because
to
me
hers
reads
like
that
work
can
start
even
without
the
states.
I
mean
you
just
wanted
to
make
sure
the
intent.
A
B
My
intent
was
similar.
It's
just
that.
I
really
think
it's
so
important.
This
is
possibly
a
great
project
for
the
city
and
I
don't
think
that
we
acknowledge
that
without
saying
that
we've
got
a
report,
that's
been
presented
to
us
and
we
know
that
you
know
it's
possibly
a
great
project
for
the
city,
but
we
need
to
check
on
all
of
the
matters
that
are
impacts,
and
so
I
I
felt
that
it
was
important
to
have
number
one
in.
I
think
in
making
it
number
two
quite
clearly.
B
We
need
to
be
partnering
with
the
state
in
order
to
progress
it,
and
if
we
don't
have
the
state's
report,
everything
else
falls
away
and
we
don't
want
to
spend
years
going
down
this.
This
path
to
have
the
state
say
at
the
end
of
it.
Oh
sorry,
but
we
don't
like
it
it's
so
it's
a
really
important
step
in
the
whole
process.
So,
yes,
that's.
A
I
actually
met
with
the
officers
yesterday
and
made
a
very
similar
observation
from
the
outset.
So
I
understand
exactly
where
you're
coming
from
thank.
B
J
D
J
J
D
Through
the
chair,
probably
the
recommendation
then
would
be
explicit
around
that
particular
that
we
don't
do
any
further
works.
Four
five
and
six
until
the
mou
is
signed.
J
Mr
chair
just
to
say
a
thank
you
to
the
city
solicitor
and
thank
you
to
councillor
gates
for
that.
Just
based
on
the
feedback
I
had
been
getting
from
community
members
through
emails
and
phone
calls
that
that
was
one
of
the
main
parts
coming
to
me
was
about
ratepay
funds
being
spent.
I'm
happy
with
that,
but
just
want
that
little
wording
change
makes
a
big
difference
to
me.
If
we
get
to
this
motion
of.
A
I
Thank
you
so
two
points
just
that:
one:
that
the
city
solicitor
added,
whether
she
you'd
recommend
wording
for
this
resolution
as
well.
C
I
Sorry,
so
back.
So,
if
you
take
out
that
wording
that
you
just
added
in
there
not
take
it
out
but
copy
that
wording
and
put
it
in
up
above
and
then
councillor
toza,
I
had
a
request
as
well.
Sorry
up
in
the
former,
the
you
you
know
right:
cool
counselor
toza
through
the
chair,
while
you're
out
of
the
room.
I
also
made
a
request
which
I'd
like
you
to
consider
that
we
also
add
into
the
recommendation
that
publix
funds
that
are
spent
on
any
studies
should
be
recovered
from
the
ultimate
proponent.
I
H
C
Through
you,
mr
chair,
that's
correct,
and
that's
because
in
a
resolution
we
can't
resolve
for
a
third
party
to
have
to
do
something.
Okay,
so
by
trying
to
put
that
in
the
resolution,
it
would
make
it
an
invalid
resolution.
Okay,
thank
you.
A
All
right
councillors,
councillor
toaster,
did
you
want
to
tell.
A
H
H
Oh
on
this
motion,
anyway,
yeah
look
the
reason
I
I've
hoped
to
deliver.
The
things
we
have
is,
I
think,
principally
what
the
motion
before
us
here
is
not
that
different
to
the
foreshadowed
motion.
The
most
important
thing,
I
think,
is
for
us
to
undertake
that
memorandum
of
understanding
with
the
state
government,
I
think,
having
read
the
report,
I've
already
noted
the
elements
in
it
around
financial
and
economic.
H
But
frankly,
by
its
own
admission,
the
report
doesn't
deal
with
social
or
environmental
considerations
to
much
extent
at
all
and
noting
that,
unfortunately,
is,
I
think,
misleading
to
the
public,
because,
frankly
it
doesn't
it
doesn't.
The
urban
report
isn't
even
proposed
to
address
environmental
considerations
and
frankly,
it
doesn't
adequately
deal
with
any
social
considerations
either.
That's
why
the
officer's
recommendation,
one
I've,
I've
omitted,
and
I
do
believe
that
this
motion
adequately
acknowledges
the
good
work
done
by
council
officers,
both
all
of
the
team
that's
been
involved.
H
I've
worked
closely
with
they've
kept
me
up
to
date.
I've
had
a
number
of
briefings.
I
have
been
very
impressed
with
their
willingness
to
engage
with
me,
notwithstanding
the
divided
community
opinion
in
my
division
that
I
have
to
manage
on
an
almost
daily
basis.
H
There
are
people
who
are,
you
know
strong
advocates
for
a
cable
way
in
the
hinterland,
and
there
are
some
people
who
are
very,
very
strong
advocates
for
the
world
heritage,
biodiversity
areas
and
think
that
a
cable
way
would
irreparably
damage
those
areas
managing
that
community
perspective
has
been
quite
challenging
for
my
office
and
the
officers
have
been
really
accommodating
with
providing
as
much
information
as
they
have
as
they
can
about
the
project.
H
As
we
move
this
idea
forward,
I
want
to
acknowledge
the
destination
tourism
management
plan
does
identify
this
project
as
something
we
should
investigate.
H
And
frankly,
I
hope
that
these
five
elements
of
this
motion
you
know
are
a
show
of
good
faith
for
us,
actually
taking
the
time
and
energy
to
prioritize
elements
of
information
gathering
to
determine
whether
it's
going
to
be
a
good
project
or
not.
H
And
then
we
can
take
the
next
steps
when
the
department
of
environment,
who
are
the
asset
custodian
for
the
national
park
within
which
this
project
will
be
delivered,
we
can
partner
with
them
and
and
perhaps
deliver
it
frankly.
I
think
that
the
motions
that
are
the
other
motions
that
are
being
considered
today,
both
the
council
officers
proposed
motion
and
the
foreshadowed
motion
inadequately
prioritize
elements
that
we
shouldn't
be
looking
at,
and
that's
why
this
motion,
I
hope,
will
be
supported
by
the
community
today
and
subsequently,
full
council.
A
The
paid
is
closed.
We
would
take
the
vote
on
sorry
division.
H
A
C
A
Four:
okay,
those
against.
A
Okay,
so
the
motion
is
carried,
so
the
foreshadow
isn't
going
to
get
a
run
so
because
that
that
is,
that
is
carried
sorry.
A
I
think
we
can
yes,
yes,
we
can
do
that
yeah
yeah.
We
can
do
that.
A
Okay,
counselors
is
there.