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A
Welcome
everybody.
We
do
actually
have
an
apology.
Councillor.
Pauline
young
is
an
apology,
if
someone's
happy
to
move
that
thanks
councillor
toza
and
seconded
counselor
taylor,
tozer
and
taylor,
yes,
tinkertoezer,
taylor,
spy,
oh
yes,
okay,
so
seconded
so
we'll
move
that
that's
been
seconded.
All
those
in
favor
that
is
carried
councillor
mcdonald
is
with
us,
but
councilman
donald
is
attending
the
meeting
remotely
so
can't
see
your
death
but
anyway
say
say
hello.
Yes,
we
know
you're
there
there
we
go!
A
So
that's
good
nice
to
have
you
with
us,
even
if
not
bodily
you're,
actually
here
in
spirit,
so
all
right,
we
will
actually
move
on
with
the
agenda
item
one
confirmation
of
minutes.
It's
a
start
item
unless
there
was
anything
that
anyone
wished
to
raise
there,
no
everyone's
happy
with
the
minutes
that
they're
accurate.
So
we
do
actually
have
another
start
item
which
is
item
three
but
you're
going
to
move
the
start
items
so
you're
not
going
to
move
the
side
items
you'd
like
to
on
star
three.
A
I
was
hoping
that
wasn't
the
case,
but
that's
all
right.
I
was
trying
to
get
it
through
quickly,
all
right.
So
if
we
can
move
item,
one
which
is
starred,
so
that's
moved
council
decision
second
to
councillor
gates
and
all
those
in
favor.
That's
a
confirmation
of
the
minutes
that
is
carried.
We
don't
have
any
conflicts
of
interests
that
have
actually
been
declared.
So
we
can
move
straight
on
to
item
three
which
has
been
unstarred
by
councillor
gates
council
gates
over
to
you.
B
C
Through
the
chair
councillor
gates,
so
this
funding
is
obviously
arts
and
culture
funding
that
is
there
to
promote
tourism.
Last
year
we
pulled
this
funding
because
of
covert,
and
obviously
the
fact
that
we
had
limited
opportunity
for
group
gatherings
and
limited
opportunity
for
a
lot
of
the
tourism.
At
that
time
we
made
that
decision.
I
think
the
year
before
that
this
funding
funded
hotelling.
C
So
if
you're,
it's
not
new
funding,
if
you
want
to
track
it
back-
and
I
think
some
of
you
remember-
maybe
me
pulling
it
for
covert,
and
maybe
you
might
remember
hoteling
before
that.
Obviously
the
idea
is
to
promote
tourism
to
activate
different
areas
from
it,
and
the
difference
between
this
and
other
grants.
Programs
is
that
the
others
are
a
not-for-profit
with
this
money
we'll
go
to
the
private
sector
in
terms
of
activating
those
areas
for
tourists.
B
Okay,
I
was
a
little
well.
I
query
a
couple
of
the
suggested
experiences
that
might
draw
tourists
to
our
city
that
were
listed
on
page
40..
So
I
quite
clearly
I
don't
want
to
name
them,
but
I
then,
when
I
read
further
and
saw
that
this
is
a
process
that
excludes
counsel
in
terms
of
any
participation
on
the
panel
or
in
the
screening
of
any
applications.
B
I
wondered
if
that
was
a
legislative
requirement,
because
it
was
grant
funding
and
then
I
further
wondered
because
there
was
a
suggestion
put
forward
by
councillor
owen
jones
at
budget
time
that
our
community
grants
funding
applications
be
screened
through
a
new
standing
committee
and
then
from
there.
I
thought.
Perhaps
this
is
something
that
could
go
through
a
standing
committee
rather
than
in
the
way
that
it's
been
suggested,
that
a
panel
make
a
decision.
Refer
it
to
you
and
then
clearly.
B
We
would
then
get
an
advice
from
the
officers
about
what
had
happened
after
it
had
already
happened.
So
I
I
just
wondered
about
that
process.
It
has
been
explained
to
me
that
it
isn't
a
legislative
requirement
that
it
be
handled
in
the
way
suggested,
but
that
possibly
it
is,
it
places
councillors
at
arm's
length
of
the
decision-making
in
terms
of
the
grant.
B
So
I
just
wanted
to
let
the
committee
know
how
I
felt
about
it,
and
I
guess
it's
similar
to
the
radf
funding
where
sometimes
we
get
a
report
and
we
through
our
work
on
the
ground,
communicating
closely
with
groups.
Sometimes
we
have
a
an
understanding
of
certain
issues
that
maybe
the
officers
don't
that
it
might
be
valuable
that
it
be
brought
to
the
table.
So
I
was
hesitant
to
support
another
process
that
completely
excludes
us
until
after
the
decision
has
been
made.
B
But
I'd
be
interested
to
know
if
I'm
the
only
one
who
feels
that
way
and
if
so
then
I'll
accept.
Obviously
the
decision
of
the
committee.
A
Yeah
thanks
council
gates,
I
mean
yeah,
but
the
regional
arts
development
fund,
as
you
say
that,
basically
those
decisions
are
made
still
comes
back
to
us,
though,
doesn't
it
as
such,
but
we
but
but
it's
really
only
for
noting
and
saying
it
comes
back
to
us,
but
it's
really
only
for
noting
so
so
we're
looking
at
the
same
type
of
thing.
For
the
same
reasons.
C
So
through
the
chair,
so
yes,
I
think
the
idea
is
that
we
bring
it
here
for
you
to
endorse
the
process,
and
this
is
the
process.
The
legal
advice
that
we
have
is,
in
terms
of
you
know,
from
a
belkara
point
of
view
or
from
a
conflict
point
of
view
that
this
is
best
practice,
but
not
legislative,
so
you're
right.
C
But
you
know
that
we,
we
have
a
panel
of
experts
in
the
industry,
we
take
their
independent
view
and
then
we
bring
it
here
to
let
you
know
what
happened,
but
that's
just
the
way
we're
suggesting
to
do
it.
It's
obviously
not
the
mandated
way
of
doing
it.
D
Having
some
interest
in
the
creative
sector,
I
think
it
is,
I
mean
I
think,
the
idea
that
it's
at
arm's
length
of
council
laws
is
actually
probably
a
good
thing.
Without
wanting
to
have-
and
you
know,
unnecessary
conflict
with
councillor
gates,
I
actually
think
that
that
actually
does
make
sense.
Even
when
you
know
we
might
not
agree
with
the
artistic
merit
of
a
particular
project.
I
think
that
there
is,
there
is
definitely
a
benefit.
Whilst
there
is
a
some
risk,
I
think
in
most
circumstances
observing
the
radoff
grants.
D
There
has
been
some
really
great
gold
that
that
may
not
have
been
supported
by
the
subjective
view
of
councillors,
but
has
been
and
has
ultimately
resulted
in
really
great
outcomes,
and
I
appreciate
the
reverse
might
be
the
case
as
well.
If
council
has
made
the
decision,
but
I'm
just
conscious
that
there
is
only
a
limited
footprint
of
counsellors
in
the
in
the
creative
sector
and
the
subjectivity
of
this
subject
matter
is
so
yeah
yeah.
A
Yeah
look
I
I'm
of
a
similar
view,
although
I
do
understand
where
councillor
gates
is
coming
from,
and
there
is
a
bit
of
expertise.
You
know
in
the
room
as
well
when
it
comes
to
the
arts
and
but
from
a
conflict
point
of
view,
it
could
cause
issues.
A
I
think
if,
if
a
counsellor
was
even
sitting
on
the
on
on
the
panel,
I
mean
I've
sat
on
a
fair
few
of
these
councillor
owen
jones,
I
think,
prior
to
when
we
have
the
the
the
the
art,
what
we
call
them
the
every
three
years.
It
comes
up
the
sorry,
the.
A
E
D
There's
a
distinct
difference
between
the
recipients
of
grants,
bank,
community
associations,
not-for-profit
community
associations
and
commercial
outlets.
There
is
legislatively
there's
a
difference,
and
I
think
that
in
the
in
the
case
that
this
program
is
actually
commercially
delivered,
I
think
that
creates
a
greater
standard
of
risk.
F
B
It
was
a
panel
recommendation,
but
council
made
the
final
decision
but,
as
has
been
indicated
in
this
room,
I
think
because
it
was
in
the
area
that
I
represented.
I
had
major
concerns
because
I
felt
that
people
wouldn't
be
able
to
read
the
sign
traveling
at
110
down
the
highway.
Those
concerns
turned
out
to
be
very
relevant,
but
no
one
else.
I
don't
I.
I
just
think
everyone
else
was
more
inclined
to
think.
Not
everyone.
B
It
was
even
suggested
that
the
same
model
used
in
the
south
be
used
in
the
north,
which
was
just
the
g
and
the
c,
because
that
would
have
been
visible.
But
for
whatever
reason-
and
primarily
I
believe
because
of
exactly
what
is
being
said
here
today-
that
art
is
subjective
and
the
view
of
the
panel
was
considered
worth
respecting
by
most
of
the
councillors,
and
so
the
majority
of
councillors
supported
the
recommendation
that
came
to
us
and
quite
clearly
it
was
a
huge
error.
F
Yeah,
thank
you
and
then
so
from
that
I
would,
I
wouldn't
mind,
hearing
getting
some
advice
from
the
city
solicitor
on
it
regarding
the
conflict,
because
I
do
see
some
value
in
you
know
a
resident
representative
perspective,
for
example
the
lights.
So
I
just
would
appreciate
that
maybe
council
before
council
doesn't
have
to
be
today.
F
B
B
B
I'm
really
happy
to
be
guided
by
the
majority
as
always,
but
it
was
just
some
concerns.
I
thought
I
would
yeah
ventilate
amongst
us
before
making
the
decision,
but
I
would
be
grateful
for
advice
from
the
city
solicitor
as
well.
I
think.
A
Given
the
you
know,
given
the
comments,
I
think
if
there
isn't
any
urgency
and
given,
as
you
say,
that
reports
coming
back
in
july,
I
think
that
might
be
quite
happy
to
support
that
yeah.
I
I'm
just
going
to
go
to
councillor
taylor
and
asserts
what
he
was
going
to
actually
suggest
not.
G
Sure
yeah,
thank
you.
I
just
want
to
get
an
understanding
through
councillor
gates
the
benefits
of
having
someone
on
the
panel
and
not
having
it.
So
I
know
we're
talking
one
side
saying
that
you
know
independent
and
not
have
been
on
the
panel.
What
is
the
of
having
someone
in
what?
B
B
A
A
A
E
Ask
nikki
the
words
that
councillor
gates
is
using
there
is
that
search
talks
pending
advice
from
cities,
solicitor
and
the
potential
of
a
grant
standing
committee.
Is
that.
B
C
E
A
A
B
Look
chairman
just
briefly,
I
I
would
prefer
to
have
that
advice
before
we
move
forward.
I'm
not
wedded
to
any
outcome
in
any
particular
way,
but
I
was
purely
seeking
the
consideration
of
my
colleagues
to
see
how
they
felt
about
it
and
I
don't
see
any
harm,
as
the
director
has
indicated,
that
there's
no
urgency
in
getting
the
advice
from
the
city
solicitor
and
waiting
for
what's
already
been
put
in
process
for
a
report
about
a
grant
standing
committee.
B
I
just
sort
of
don't
see
the
point
of
us
examining
that
possibility
and
then
not,
including
the
very
first
grant
process
that
comes
before
us
after
that's
already
been
commenced.
So.
A
D
I'm
actually
supportive
of
the
the
officer's
recommendation
on
a
couple
of
grounds.
Firstly,
I
think
the
the
art
sector
and
the
city
has
gone
through
a
very
difficult
time
and
it
is
entirely
timely
and
appropriate
for
us
to
be
taking
strong
steps
towards
finding
ways
that
we
can
rebuild
both
the
tourism
and
art
sectors
in
our
city.
D
I
think
this
is
a
unique
program
which
it
sounds
like
councillor
gates
is
actually
very
supportive
of,
and
I
I
suppose
I
don't
want
to
sound
like
I'm
arguing
with
councillor
gates
for
no
reason,
but
I
actually
don't
see
any
particular
reason
to
delay
and
also
I
I
don't
see
any
particular
reason
why
counselor
oversight
of
grant
allocations
adds
value
to
our
processes.
D
Given
the
vast
majority
of
grant,
allocations
have
been
strongly
supported
by
councillors.
No
doubt
there
has
been
some
incidences
from
time
to
time
where
the
views
of
councillors,
perhaps
should
have
been
considered
or
greater.
Greater
scrutiny
of
decision-making
and
funding
allocations
should
have
been
applied,
but
I
think
they
are
few
and
far
between
and
in
the
main,
our
processes
in
relation
to
grant
allocations
are
good
and
result
in
great
community
and
investment
outcomes.
D
You
know
that
being
said,
you
know
I
just
I
don't
think,
there's
any
reason
to
delay
to
support
the
arts
and
tourism
sectors
in
our
city,
and
I
think
this
this
delay
to
see
council
overseeing
what
are
effectively
subjective
arts
decisions.
I
think
that's
not
prudent
and
I
can't
support
the
motion
as
it
currently
stands.
F
Thank
you.
I
will
support
that
and
and
as
councillor
toza
pointed
out,
I'm
quite
sure
that
councillor
gates
is
very
supportive,
as
I
am
of
our
our
arts
industry
and
supporting
them
any
way
we
can.
This
is
just
about
process
and
identifying
that
we
we
get
that
right
and
also
my
my
other
reason
for
supporting
this
is
exactly
out
of
counselor
toaster's
words.
He
just
said
that
there
is
no
doubt
that
in
some
circumstances
there
was
a
need
for
greater
scrutiny.
F
So
by
looking
potentially
at
having
you
know,
residence
representatives,
it's
it's
probably
one
out
of
20
times
that
that
influence
may
make
a
difference
to
consider
that
perspective,
and
it's
really
just
for
those
times
where
he
said
that
there
was
there's,
no
doubt
that
that
has
been
needed
on
occasion.
So
that's
all
we'll
have.
We
can
have
a
look
at
it.
B
Okay,
happy
to
change
that
from
a
meeting
to
be
held
in
august
to
a
future
committee
meeting.
I
haven't,
got
a
seconder
yet
so
I'm
quite
comfortable
in
making
this
change
and
then
the
chair
seeking
a
second
house.
B
Okay,
sorry,
it's
not
on
the
screen,
but
if
we
just
say
a
future
committee,
I
think
the
directors
pointed
out
that
we
may
be
able
to
bring
it
forward
more
quickly.
I
was
going
to
ask
through
your
chairman
to
the
director,
when
the
likelihood
would
be
of
the
distribution
of
these
funds.
If
this
is
going
to
delay
in
any
significant
way,
anything
that
I'm
unaware
of.
C
So
through
the
chair,
counselor
gates,
I
think
it
will
delay
it.
I
don't
obviously
it's
only
by
several
months
but
as
in
we
will
have
to
reprovide
the
money
in
a
budget
review.
If
we
don't
make
the
decision
today.
But
what
I
was
thinking
is:
if
we
have
a
future,
then
it
gives
me
a
chance
to
go
and
talk
to
the
city
solicitor
before
full
council
and
it
might
be
able
to
be
something
we
can
give
advice
on
in
between
full
council.
B
That
sounds
fine.
Thank
you
very
much
so
happy
with
that,
and
if
we
can
get
that
advice
quickly
and
deal
with
it
promptly,
that's.
A
Right
yeah.
Thank
you.
All
right
debate
closed.
So
the
motion
before
us
move
councillor
gates
secondary
councillor
taylor
based
on
that
yeah.
I'm
I'm
certainly
happy
to
to
support
it.
We
may
actually
be
able
to
get
this
resolved,
but
at
full
council
so
we'll
take
the
vote,
all
those
in
favor.
A
A
Thank
you,
okay,
we'll
move
on
to
item
four.
Unless
there
are
any
questions
I
mean
the
report
from
my
point
of
view,
the
reports
the
microphone
here
we
go
unless
there
are
any
any
questions.
The
the
report
from
me
seemed
to
be
quite
self-explanatory
as
such
so
quite
happy
to
move
the
item.
But
of
course,
if
anyone
wants
to
debate
it
second
to
counselor
gates,
does
anyone
wish
to
debate
the
item
or
no.
D
A
So
yeah,
so
we're
happy
to
take
the
vote
on
that.
Okay,
with
the
the
recommendation
on
the
screen,
which
still
leaves
it
open
for
us
to
to
maybe
bring
this
back
at
a
later
date.
So
all
right!
Well,
I've
moved
that
second
to
councillor
gates,
we'll
take
the
vote
all
those
in
favor
that
is
carried
councillors
before
we
move
into
to
close
session.
Is
there
any
general
business
that
anyone
wished
to
raise.
A
No
okay,
in
which
case
look
item
five,
which
concerns
the
gold
coast,
show
funding.
I
would
propose
that
we
move
into
closed
session
for
the
reasons
that
it
does
actually
affect
the
local
government's
budget
negotiations
and
it's
a
commercial
incompetence
matter
as
a
result.
So
I
would
move
us
into
close
second
to
councillor
gates,
we'll
take
the
vote,
all
those
in
favor
that.
A
A
A
A
A
A
A
A
A
A
A
A
A
A
Thanks
very
much
for
for
the
debate
and
all
the
considerations.
There
is
a
motion
on
the
screen
which
I
am
moving.
It's
been
seconded
by
councillor
mcdonald.
A
I
don't
feel
I
I
feel
that
the
motion's
pretty
self-explanatory
and
I
don't
really
need
to
to
speak
to
it
at
all.
So,
yes,
just
so,
everyone
can
see
what's
there,
so
that
is
moved
seconded
councillor.
Mcdonald.
A
Thank
you
right
to
speak
against.
I
wasn't
going
to
speak
for,
but
yes.
D
So
look
what
the
motion
before
us
today
proposes
to
allocate
210
000
over
the
coming
three
years
to
the
goku
show
society
and
I
feel
concerned
that
that
quantum
of
funding
and
that
certainty
over
three
years
it
it
doesn't
seem
to
align
with
the
financial
records
that
have
been
provided
to
us,
which
are
confidential.
A
Okay,
all
right,
we
close
debate
on
the
on
the
matter
and
we'll
take
the
vote,
all
those
in
favor
and
so
and
just
myself
and
counselor
mcdonald,
all
those
against
okay.
So
the
motion
is.
A
A
Okay,
just
any
okay
with
emotions
lost,
as
anyone
else
have
a.
D
Motion
in
close
session,
I
foreshadowed
the
officer's
recommendation,
but
with
your
consent
I
withdrew
that.
A
Yeah,
okay,
so
the.
A
No,
no
because
it
was
foreshadowed,
and
so
so
it
wasn't
seconded
as
it
was
foreshadowed,
and
I
was
quite
happy
or
comfortable
for
councillor
toza
to
to
withdraw
that.
So
so
the
motion
is
lost,
so
we've.
A
Okay,
procedural
motion
on
the
table
from
counselor
tozer
that
this
matter
to
be
be
deferred
to
the
council
meeting
to
be
dealt
with
there.
Do
I
have
yeah
a
seconder
for
that.
It's
councillor,
taylor
councillors,
we've
got
a
procedural
motion.
That's
been
moved
and
seconded
that
this
matter
be
deferred
to
full
council.
In
fact,
we
don't
need
a
second
for
a
procedural
motion.
Do
we?
Yes,.
A
Yes,
all
right,
all
those
in
favor
that
is
carried
the
matter
is
will
be
dealt
with
at
full
council.
Is
there
a
no
there?
Isn't
we
asked
about
general
business
before
I
declare
the
meeting
closed.