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A
An
almost
full
component
of
council
is
with
us
councillor.
Patterson
may
be
arriving
a
little
bit
late
if
the
meeting
is
still
going
and
the
deputy
mayor
councillor
gates
is
in
virtual
attendance,
so
we
just
need
the
committee
to
pass
a
motion
in
that
regards.
A
A
Well,
you
can't
vote
you
can't
vote.
You
can
vote
now,
but
you
can't
vote
on
that.
Why?
Because
you're
not
in
the
room
to
vote.
A
A
Because
council
lacaster
has
been
zooming
in
for
covert
related
reasons,
whereas
you're
you
are
not.
A
A
Thank
you
all
in
favor
carried
four
I'm
not
aware
of
any
conflict
of
a
conflict
of
interest
declarations
councillors.
We
have
several
start
items
at
the
moment.
I
would
like
to
one
star
6.4
and
7.1.
A
Excellent
counselor
ryan,
baldwin
lumsen.
Would
you
like
to
move
the
start
items?
It's
a
good
choice
and
seconded
by
councillor
hamel,
all
in
favor.
Thank
you.
So
that's
5.1,
6.1
6.2
6.3,
and
that
leaves
us
with
6.4,
which
is
the
live
streaming
of
the
minutes
minute.
The
meetings.
Thank
you
councillors.
Are
there
any
questions
in
regards
to
6.4
councillor
gates.
B
Thank
you,
chairman,
happy
to
see
this
report
come
back
initially,
I
always
had
concerns
about
the
the
cost
on
the
operational
expenses
that
are
involved
and
just
a
question
through
you.
I
had
a
discussion
with
the
mayor
about
this
and
we
wondered
why
it's
not
possible
for
someone
in
the
meeting.
B
C
Okay,
thank
you
chairman,
so
I've
I
have.
I
have
approached
this
with
each
director
and
generally,
I
think
the
feedback
is
that,
while
some
meetings,
obviously
very
straightforward,
some
are
busy
enough
that
they
believe
that
that
would
be
another
bonus
on
the
committee
secretary
or
whoever's
sitting
beside
them.
So
then
I
took
that
view
and
wrote
this
report
accordingly.
So.
A
I've
seen
him
do
it
councillor
gates
we're
really
committed
meeting
some.
I
haven't
spoken
better
so
to
councillor
gates
I
had
proposed,
or
I
wanted
to
propose
a
slight
change
to
the
recommendation,
which
I
think
maybe
picks
up
on
some
of
the
things
that
you're
that
you've
just
talked
about
and
and
that's
the
chief
executive
officer
coordinator,
standard
set
of
procedures
in
regards
to
the
streaming
of
the
standing
committees,
the
standing
committee
meetings.
I
think
that
that
just
might
that
might
actually
cut
through
some
of
that.
A
So
because,
ultimately,
to
me
it's
a
function
of
how
the
chamber
should
operate
and
how
it
should
operate
consistently.
And
if
the
ceo
is
able
to
create
those
procedures.
All
of
the
directorates
will
then
follow
through
on
on
what
they've
on
what's
been
arranged
so
and
that
might
provide
the
ability
to
streamline
some
of
that
stuff.
B
Okay,
that
would
be
all-encompassing
too.
The
only
other
question
that
I
have
if,
if
it's
okay
for
me
to
ask
another.
B
C
Mr
chairman,
no,
we
haven't,
I
don't
believe,
that's
technically
possible
at
this
point
in
time.
So
that's
why
we
haven't
done
it.
I
mean
we
can
put
in
place
some
some
advice
to
to
the
staff
in
terms
of
you
know,
watching.
Obviously
we
don't
want
staff
sitting
there
all
day
watching
council
meetings
or
we'll
come.
B
D
A
So
I'm
happy
to
move
the
item
if
anybody
like
to
second
it
councillor,
mcdonald
yeah
he's
not
in
favor
of
transparency,
so
I
actually
think
that
it's
a
it's
a
useful
thing
for
the
city
and
I
think
on
page
49,
it's
clear
that
there
are
actually
a
number
of
replays
as
well
and
in
particular
I
think
that
there
are
some
standing
committees
that
definitely
benefit
from
both
residents
and
professionals
being
able
to
go
back
and
look
to
see
what
was
said.
A
I
think
everybody
would
appreciate
planning
an
environment
is
definitely
one
of
those
where
we
have
inevitably
a
cast
of
thousands
in
regards
to
consultants
and
and
it's
important
that
they
actually
have
the
ability
to.
I
think,
to
look
in
to
see
what
the
representatives
have
said
in
regards
to
particular
projects,
and
I
think
that
may
help
clarify
some
questions
that
they
have
from
time
to
time.
So
would
anybody
like
to
speak
against
it?
A
A
The
recommendation
would
seek
to
have
some
of
them
made
non-confidential
at
the
discretion
of
the
ceo
on
pages
55
through
to
58
there's
a
summary
of
a
lot
of
small
items
and
some
larger
items,
but
the
which
is
the
unrecoverable
write-offs.
E
E
So,
like
page
53
page
53,
that's
the
one
yeah.
So
what
we
could
do
is
create
segmented
levels
and
say
anything
over
one
hundred
dollars.
A
thousand,
for
example,
could
be
reported
as
a
whole
total,
and
then
we
could
detail
all
of
those
over
that
amount.
A
Yeah,
so
so
I
don't
know
what
the
other
councillors
think,
but
I
I
think
that
it's
actually
a
pretty
large
use
of
resources
to
have
a
table
that
puts
in
amounts
of
70
cents
and
two
cents
and
nine
dollars,
etc.
So
I'd
be
I'd,
be
very
comfortable
with
those
not
necessarily
needing
to
be
reported,
and
I'm
happy
for
that
amount
to
be
around
that
100
or
250
councillor
gates.
B
Thanks
chairman,
I
I
just
had
a
question
too,
and
I
don't
believe
it's
got
any
confidentiality
and
it
was
just
about
how
the
officers
tried
to
retrieve
these
funds.
Well,
there
was
mention
of
a
personal
contact
campaign.
Did
that
involve
telephoning
all
of
the
the
debtors.
E
Three
years
chair
I'll,
have
lee
jackson
talk
to
that
on
our
behalf,
counselor
yep.
Thank
you.
F
Mr
chair
councillor
gates,
we
do
have
a
personal
contact
campaign
that
does
involve
contact
with
the
individuals.
Once
we
exhausted
a
reminder,
notice
and
a
final
notice.
We
then
go
through
attempt.
I
suppose
the
first
contact
is
via
text
to
ask
the
data
to
contact
council.
If
that
is
unsuccessful,
we
then
actually
make
attempt
to
make
phone
contact
with
them
personally
and
try
to
negotiate
a
settlement
of
the
debt
at
the
moment
that
happens
for
the
rates
and
water
accounts,
not
so
for
the
sundry
debts.
Okay,.
A
And
so
would
it
help
if,
if
that
started
happening
for
the
largest
sundry
debts,
so
so
again
getting
back
to
the
original
point?
It
makes
no
sense
to
make
a
call
for
chasing
10
cents,
but
but
it
does
make
a
makes
sense
to
at
least
have
reached
out
for
a
400
account.
A
B
F
G
Thank
you
and
I
think,
I'm
just
reinforcing
the
cost
to
actually
chase
some
of
these
debts
up
and
what
type
of
do
we
have
a
threshold
of
value
that
it
reaches
where
we
actually,
then
don't
follow
the
process
of
a
fault
of
chasing
that
money
up,
because
my
concern
would
be
the
cost
to
chase
a
value
up
is
a
lot
greater
than
what's
actually
there
at
the
moment,
one
in
resources
and
costs
as
well.
So
do
we
have
a
a
threshold
that
at
some
point
we
it's
cheaper
to.
F
Let
it
go
through
you,
mr
chair.
We
do
not
have
a
threshold
per
se,
although
our
rates
and
water
debts
in
the
overwhelming
majority
of
instances
are
secured,
so
the
smallest
amounts
will
just
sit
on
the
rate
or
the
water
account
for
our
sundry
debtors,
where
it's
not
traditionally
an
ongoing
account.
We
then
do
need
to
make
a
case-by-case
assessment,
which
normally
goes
back
to
the
original
part
of
the
business
as
to
how
far
they'd
like
to
pursue
the
matter,
but
normally
we
would
not.
G
Councillor
taylor.
Thank
you.
I
would
be
curious
to
understand
what
our
cost
is
to
to
recover
funds,
whether
it's
you
know
ten
dollars
or
a
hundred
thousand,
and
what
the
process
would
be
so
that
we
could
actually
try
and
minimize
that
cost
where
appropriately
and
then
obviously
I'm
comfortable
with
a
value
of,
say,
250.
G
F
H
Thanks,
mr
chair,
I
was
going
to
ask
the
same
question
about
the
cost
you
know
per
chasing
up
on
these
I
mean
then,
we've
got
a
2
2.
H
Obviously
it's
not
worth
council
casino,
it's
ridiculous,
but
I
also
would
like
to
know
what
the
cost
is.
Postage
phone
call
offers
a
time
to
chase
a
debt,
and
then
we
can
reach
an
amount
that
we
can
look.
F
At
yep
three,
mr
share
again,
that
report
should
should
hopefully
identify
those
kind
of
cost
levels.
I
suppose
the
threshold
of
the
break-even
points
when
it
makes
sense
to
pursue
the
the
challenge,
I
suppose
the
other
side
of
the
coin,
for
that
is,
whilst
we
try
to
do
things
economically
viable
the
fact
that
we
are
deal
with
public
money,
so
I
suppose
there's
almost
a
counterweight
to
that.
A
D
Councillor
hamill,
mr
chair.
My
questions
in
regards
to
the
rather
significant
amount
of
these
that
are
for
roadside
dining
would
most
the
entities
that
are
listed
in
those
tables.
I
won't
name
any
because
they're
confidential,
but
they're
obviously
are
they
owners
of
those
premises?
Are
they
tenants
of
those
premises
most
likely.
D
Mr
chairman,
just
looking
at
the
the
amounts
of
them
and
the
fact
that
a
lot
of
those
entities
have
multiple
amounts
owing
for
other
parts
as
well,
I'm
guessing
that's
the
fact
that
most
likely
their
business
they've
pulled
a
pin
on
their
business,
and
that
was
probably
what
the
last
month,
the
last
three
months
worth
of
roadside
dining
fees
or
other
fees
was
worthly.
Would
I
be
somewhere
on
the
path,
then,.
F
D
Have
we
ever
looked
at
mr
chair
or
had
consideration
to
if
there
was
other
ways
to
approach
that,
if
maybe
we
could
have
a
a
bond
in
place,
for
example,
or
that
know
new
business
entering
into
a
precinct
where
there's
a
roadside
dining
fee
has
to
pre-pay,
maybe
the
first
three
months
or
first
month,
so
that
we've
got
that
security
in
place.
D
Mr
chair,
probably
that
could
that
maybe
to
joe
that
was
there
joe.
Would
there
be
any
interest
in
looking
at
that
or
what
would
you
need
to
investigate
that?
So
the
question.
A
Really
was
some
type
of
bond
for
roadside
dining
to
help
reduce
the
number
of
sundry
debtors
from
businesses.
D
Yep,
do
you
want
it?
Do
you
need
any
wording
through?
Are
you
happy
just
to
look
at
that?
Yeah
yeah,
just
look
at
that,
because
a
lot
of
them,
mr
chair,
are
relatively,
although
some
of
them
are
getting
up
there
a
little
bit,
but
there's
a
lot
of
them
that
I
reckon
once
they
were
accumulated
together.
A
I
And
through
the
chair
and
just
along
the
same
vein
as
councillor
hamel
there
with
these,
the
roadside,
dining
ones
there,
and
some
of
them
are
substantial.
Now
part
of
that
was
our
coped
19
recovery,
where
we
we
had
a
lot
of
that
on
hold.
So
these
been
accumulated
prior
to
2019.
F
F
Again,
that's
got
to
a
point,
but
it's
now
reached
the
the
decision
was
at
the
time
to
recommend
the
right
off
of
these
rather
pursue
recovery
action.
Because
for
a
lot
of
these,
we
need
to
be
aware
that
whilst
it's
a
debt
for
a
license,
the
life,
the
actual
fence,
is
the
breach
of
the
bylaw,
so
we'd
be
prosecuting
for
that
not
for
non-payment
of
the
license
fee.
G
G
Do
we
have
with
some
of
these
debts?
Obviously
they've
got
a
month-to-month
fee.
Do
we
have
a
time
frame
that
we
then
stop
the
outdoor
dining
if
they're
not
paying
within
a
certain
period
of
time?
What
type
of
leeway
is
given
to
the
businesses
before
we
decide
to
stop
giving
the
rights
for
for
using
the
outdoor
dining.
F
Three,
mr
chair
invoices
issue
allow
a
14-day
period
for
payment,
usually
there's
a
seven
day,
tolerance
period
so
that
we're
not
jumping
on
someone
prematurely
to
allow
just
a
tardy
payer.
Then
there's
a
reminder
notice.
It
goes
out
again
and
granting
another
seven
days
to
pay
after
that's
issued
and
then,
when
we
get
to
a
point
of
time,
when
we
exhaust
the
debt
recovery
action,
the
matters
referred
back
to
the
business
to
see
what
action
they
would
like
us
to
take
at
that
point
in
time.
F
So
I
would
hesitate
to
think
the
last
up
until
31st
of
january,
when
the
recovery
suspension
of
seven
months
finished,
there's
been
limited
action.
If,
at
all
before
that,
again,
I
probably
need
to
consult
with
lnc.
I
suppose
on
what
happened.
Prior
to
that.
G
So
I
suppose
my
still
question
is:
is
there
a
time
frame
our
process
of
going
through
that?
How
many
additional
months
in
some
of
these
outstanding
debts
could
be
additional
invoices
going
out,
while
the
trading,
while
we're
going
through
our
whole
process,
is
that
30
60
90.
F
G
A
B
Thank
you,
chairman,
just
a
question
about
the
roadside
dining
payments.
Are
they
possibly
covert
related?
I
mean
I.
I
would
be
myself
a
little
bit
worried
about
investigating
a
bond
on
on
restaurants
at
this
point
in
time
when
everyone's
still
just
coming
out
of,
what's
been
a
really
difficult
time,
and
is
it
a
possibility
that
these
places
have
closed
because
of
covert,
which
has
meant
that
there's
more
debt
than
would
normally
be
the
case
for
this
activity?.
F
Through
you,
mr
chair,
I
think
that's
a
very
fair
assessment.
I
don't
have
the
information
counselor
in
front
of
me
to
that
to
confirm
or
deny
that,
but
I
think
that
would
not
be
unreasonable
to
expect
that.
Whilst
we
suspended
recovery
action
for
that
last
seven
months
up
until
the
end
of
january
that
the
accumulation
of
debts
from
when
covert
hit
starting
march
20
has
really
knocked.
You
know
that
sector
significantly.
B
So
it's
been
an
extraordinary
period
and
I
would
really
think
twice
I.
I
know
that
mr
mccabe
took
it
on
notice,
but
I
think
we
really
do
need
to
give
consideration
to
the
difficult
time
that
restaurants
and
many
other
businesses
on
the
gold
coast
have
had
due
to
border
closures
and
the
fact
that
many
people
are
still
staying
home
because
of
the
fear
of
covert.
So
just
as
long
as
that
can
be
born
in
mind
when
we
consider
hitting
them
with
another.
D
Councillor
hamill,
mr
chair,
I
think
councillor
gates
would
be
well
and
truly
aware.
We
can't
apply
a
bond
to
someone
that's
already
in
place,
so
it
could
only
apply
to
new
businesses
or
new
entries
coming
in
and
out
of
112
thousand
dollars.
I
went
to
the
city
30
000
of
it
is
roadside
dining.
So
I'm
appreciating
her
comments,
but
I
think
having
a
looking
at
it,
I
haven't
mentioned
any
names.
D
I
think
the
figures
are
fine,
it's
worth
looking
at,
but
that
can
be
considered
as
part
of
it
and
since
I've
got
the
mic
on,
can
I
ask
another
question.
D
E
It's
very
generous,
thank
you.
One
was
similar
no,
but
just
on
the
venue
higher.
My
question,
mr
chair
was
just
what
have
we
got
in
place?
It's
particularly
on
page
58.
Some
of
those
amounts
are
quite
large.
Surely
if
people
are
ongoing,
hiring
venues
and
halls
and
things
and
not
paying,
it
should
spark
interest
as
to.
E
F
Through
you,
mr
chair,
I
don't
know
the
details
counselor,
but
we
will
investigate
those
ones.
The
process
around
sundry
debtor
accounts
normally
involves
most
of
the
accounts.
We
would
do
a
credit
analysis
on
the
customer
applying
for
it.
We
would
go
through
and
do
the
usual
checks
that
you
do
do
in
those
ones
to
find
out
if
they
are
worthy
of
the
supply
of
credit
or
not.
Where
they're
not,
it's,
obviously,
a
cash
account.
It's
pay
up
front.
E
Council,
so
for
our
venues,
who's,
like
which
who's
responsible
for
the
payment
for
the
use
of
venues,
is
that
the
venue
coordinators,
or
is
that
solely
revenue,
services
or.
F
D
Noting
that
the
reason
given
why
it's,
we
can't
pursue
it
in
most
cases,
because
the
company's
been
deregistered
again
I'd
wonder
if,
in
those
particular
circumstances,
looking
at
the
kind
of
values
that
they
run
up
in
debt,
pretty
quick
of
why
a
personal
bond
on
a
director
of
those
companies
couldn't
be
requested
when
they
get
standpipe
higher.
In
the
first
place.
D
I
note
from
seeing
these
reports
over
the
last
couple
years
that
it
always
pops
up
and
it's
always
those
kind
of
amounts
showing
in
there
so
again
I'd.
It
can
be
taken
on
notice
by
joe
that
I
think,
looking
at
personal
bonds
on
directors
of
companies
when
they
apply
for
standpipe
higher
from
the
city,
wouldn't
be
unreasonable
to
stop
these
kind
of
amounts
popping
in
there.
F
Through
you,
mr
chair,
fair
comment:
we
noting,
of
course,
that
the
personal
guarantees
of
directors
come
with
their
own
set
of
challenges
and
whether
there's
insolvencies
at
the
corporate
level,
sometimes
they
flow
on
to
the
personal
level
more
related
entities.
But
I
think
it
would
minimise
the
risk
to
counsel
for
sure
yeah.
A
Absolutely
so,
with
regards
to
the
standpipe
do
like
I
mean
we
could
actually
just
partly
bond
the
issuing
of
the
issuing
of
a
license
to
have
a
standpipe
with
and
disconnected
from
the
personal
guarantees.
A
So
so
my
my
guess
is
like
if
there's
30
of
them
in
the
city
being
used
and
their
average,
their
average
invoice
is
3
000
or
something
like
that.
You
could
easily
have
a
thousand
dollar
bond
up
front.
You
know,
so
maybe
that's
something
for
revenue
services
to
take
up
with
the
directorate
as
to
whether
or
not
because
I
don't
my
recollection
of
the
standpipes
is
there's
actually
not
a
lot
that
are
that
have
been
issued
and
are
able
to
be
used.
F
G
Thank
you
and
through
the
chair,
any
of
these
outstanding
funds
are
any
of
these
companies
in
administration,
or
are
they
still
in
a
process
of
some
sort
of
recovery
through
a
wind-up
or.
A
F
And
through
you,
mr
chair,
that
could
also
be
a
forced,
deregistration,
so
liquidation
or
another
type
of
external
administration.
It
could
well
be
that
they
just
haven't
lodged
documentation
and
asic
has
taken
upon
themselves
to
deregister
the
company,
but
it
no
longer
makes
them
a
legal
entity.
So
we
have,
we
can
no
longer
enforce
remedy
through
the
courts.
D
Hamill
final
one,
mr
chairman,
there's
just
a
couple
ones
in
here
that
I
haven't
seen
on
previous
reports
of
this
nature.
So
one
of
them
on
page
58
refers
to
a
relocation
of
stormwater
gully
and
then
there's
a
couple
on
page
57
about
plans
and
applications
and
whatnot
about
half
at
the
top
of
the
page,
which
they're
quite
significant
amounts,
and
I
was
just
wondering
if
lee
could
give
a
bit
more
detail
on
what
they
might
actually
involve.
F
C
D
D
I
wouldn't
mind
that
just
just
noting
that
they're
big
numbers
and
just
what
that
actually
entails
in
those
couple
things
and
the
same
on
the
same
on
page
58,
with
relocation
of
stormwater
gully,
so
how
that
came
about
and
what
the
the
payment
arrangements
were
or
what
actual
contractors
entered
into.
A
Councillors
that
leaves
us
with
7.2
the
wonder,
reef
brand
report.
Does
anybody
have
any
questions
or
any
need
to
go
into
closed
and
disregards.
A
Excellent,
would
anybody
like
to
move
the
item.
B
A
Move
counsellor
gates,
would
anybody
like
to
second
it
seconded
councillor
young
councillor
gates?
Would
you
like
to
speak
to
wanderie.
B
A
Excellent,
I
think
all
of
the
work
done
in
regards
to
the
brand
is
is
really
good.
Like
I
mean
I
think,
it's
quite
clear
and
and
uncluttered,
and
I
look
forward
to
everybody
getting
excited
about
diving
for
all
sorts
of
things.
Nobody
wants
to
speak
against
wunderrafe
councillor
hamel.
J
Through
the
chair,
yes,
it
was
developed
internal
with
a
lot
of
consultation
from
corporate
coms
city
reputation,
team.
We
went
out
to
a
to
jsa,
which
is
a
marketing
company
that
developed
it.
D
So
there
was
a
cost
incurred
to
get
this
developed
yep.
Mr
chair,
can
I
be
provided
what
that
cost
was
by
the
by
jail
at
some
stage,
yeah
yeah.
I
And
just
in
support
of
it-
and
I
think
it
was
and
through
the
chair,
through
our
international
women's
day.
Events
yesterday
on
at
lunchtime
mistake
councillor,
thailand,
councillor
paterson,
myself
were
at
the
the
destination
gold
coast
luncheon
and
there
was
we
had
a
head
of
tourism
for
australia
and
queensland
and
the
gold
coast
and
and
very
much.
I
The
talk
was
for
a
new
product
within
the
city
that
people
will
continue
to
support
us
because
they've
come
in
the
past,
but
it
is
great
to
have
new
offerings
coming
forward
and
I
believe
that
the
the
wander
reef
is
actually
going
to
put
us
on
the
map
with
with
other
tourism
destinations.
I
When
they've
got
something
new
and
different
to
do
in
our
city,
everybody
loves
to
come
to
our
city,
enjoy
our
beaches,
enjoy
our
hinterland,
enjoy
our
theme
parks
and
that,
but
this
is
just
another
offering
that's
actually
going
to
expand
the
the
desire
of
people
to
actually
keep
returning
to
the
gold
coast
and
to
keep
enjoying
our
beautiful
city
so
very
much
in
favor.
Thank
you.