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A
Good
morning
councillors
welcome
councillors,
there's
several
start
items.
Would
anybody
like
to
unstar
any
items?
A
Yes
councillor
gates?
Thank
you,
I'd
like
to
unstar,
6.4
and,
and
that
just
leaves
us
with
the
forward
planning
schedule
and
the
confirmation
of
minutes.
Are
there
any
other
declarations
of
conflicts
of
interest.
A
Councillor
taylor,
we
might
deal
with
the
supplementary
item
when
we
arrive
there.
If
that's,
okay
with
you
so
councillors,
would
anybody
like
to
move?
Thank
you
councillor,
macdonald
seconded
councillor,
young
and
we'll
deal
with
6.1
travel
and
related
expenses.
B
Thank
you
chairman
for
unstarring
it.
I
had
a
couple
of
conversations
with
the
media
yesterday
and
there's
some
travel.
That's
listed
for
myself
when,
as
acting
mayor,
I
visited
melbourne.
It's
listed
in
the
agenda
as
yara
botanicals
and
the
media
thought
I
went
to
a
flower
show,
for
goodness
sake,
did.
B
Did
not
go
to
a
flower
show
I
traveled
with
the
mayor's
chief
of
staff
and
the
ceo,
and
it
was
a
commitment
that
the
mayor
had
made
prior
to
knowing
that
it
clashed
with
his
dates,
and
so
I
represented
the
city.
It
was
the
launch
of
a
a
possible
new
tourism
venture
and
a
number
of
other
things.
We
also.
B
I
think
I
did
an
acting
mayor's
report
at
the
time
that
covered
all
of
the
places
the
tourism
locations
that
we
visited
and
the
chief
of
staff
and
the
ceo
had
additional
meetings
with
regard
to
a
major
project
on
the
gold
coast.
That's
about
to
start
and
also
a
trip
to
a
major
concert
venue.
So
it
was
jam-packed
over
two
days
and
it
certainly
wasn't
a
flower
show-
and
I
just
wanted
to
clarify
that,
because
the
report
doesn't
give
additional
information
about
what
that
trip
was
was
about,
and
I
also
contributed
to
my
airfare.
A
D
Question
through
the
chair
or
possibly
through
the
chair
to
the
director
is
when
it
comes
to
travel
for
councillors,
including
the
mayor.
Does
that
what
level
of
travel
does
the
city
cover
going
forward?
I
only
I
read
an
article
in
the
paper
today
and
I
just
I
was
probably
inquiring
along
those
lines
as
in
you
know
like.
Is
it
business
class
first
class?
What
do
we
get
reimbursed.
E
Yeah
through
your
chair
council,
I'll,
have
jody
answer
that,
for
you
thanks.
F
Through
the
chair,
it
doesn't
specify
what
travel
class
for
the
mayor
it
specifies
in
the
policy.
What
travel
class
for
councillors
and
the
staff
policy
dictates.
What
level
of
travel
for
staff.
D
So
it's
through
the
chair,
if
that's
with
you,
so
am
I
to
understand
like
when
we
say:
there's
15
councillors,
there's
14
councillors
and
the
mayor
and
the
mayor's
class
as
a
councillor.
Does
it
actually
say
that
he's
excluded
as
a
councillor.
A
Okay,
so
through
you
out
through
me
to
paul,
when
is
the
next
time
that
the
that
the
council
is
expense
and
reimbursement's
policy
is
scheduled
for
a
review.
A
And
so
in
regards
to
the
class
of
travel,
so
the
paper
is
reporting
first
class.
There's
clearly
no
description
of
that
in
the
report
that
we
have
today.
So
I'm
not
too
sure
where
they
would
have
received
that
information
from.
F
A
Right
so
so
the
challenge,
I
suppose
that
we
have
is
just
making
sure
that
we
get
the
best
value
for
money
for
rate
payers
and
and
if
anybody's
driven
that
mantra
it
has
been
the
mayor.
So
clearly,
in
his
first
term,
he
contributed
over
a
hundred
thousand
dollars
towards
travel.
So
it's
a
bit
of
a
slight
on
him
in
regards
to
those
those
conversations,
but
the
policy
is
currently
silent.
A
So
I'm
mindful
that
we
could
probably
do
some
work
in
that
space,
because
I
think
that
whilst
it's
important
that
the
city
continues
to
explore
as
many
options
as
possible
in
regards
to
driving
business
to
the
city,
the
ratepayers
expect
us
to
do
that
as
prudently
as
possible,
and
my
understanding
is
the
policy's
wording
is
that
the
council,
which
is
us,
is
committed
to
ensuring
that
travel
and
expenses
and
products
are
procured
as
cost
effectively
as
possible.
A
So
so
I
I
acknowledge
the
fact
that
councillor
gates
is
seeking
to
move
the
recommendation
as
it
stands.
Is
there
anybody
that
is
seconding?
It.
B
G
It's
in
relation
to
this,
but
it
probably
isn't.
I
know
questions
are
being
asked
about
in
the
trip
overseas,
how
many
businesses
from
the
gold
coast
went,
and
we
have
the
name
of
those
businesses
that
attended.
Please.
E
Yeah
through
you,
mr
chair,
I
can
certainly
provide
those
to
you
councillor.
I,
like
you,
reading
the
media
up
to
26
or
27,
but
rather
than
hearsay,
we'll
get
those
numbers
through
you.
A
G
It'd,
probably
be
nice
to
through
you,
mr
chair
it'd,
probably
be
nice
to
know
which
businesses
on
the
gold
coast
took
advantage
of
that
that
trip.
A
Yeah,
so
I
note
that
the
counts
that
the
mayor's
chief
of
staff
is
in
the
director's
room
and
he's
going
to
look
at
me
because
he's
acknowledging
that
I've
mentioned
him
so
miss
wallace.
If
you
could
just
maybe
ensure
that
those
the
attendees
to
the
birmingham
events,
the
bus,
the
gold
coast,
businesses
was
circulated
to
councillors.
I
think
that
that
would
be
appreciated
so
and
mr
wallace,
I'm
assuming
that
the
mayor
is
going
to
include
that
as
part
of
his
mayoral
report.
B
Thank
you.
I
didn't
dwell
on
the
media
article
this
morning,
so
I
haven't
read
it
thoroughly,
but
I'm
happy
to
move
this
and
I'm
sure
that
we
don't
know
the
full
circumstances
of
the
most
recent
trip
and
that
it's
probably
worthwhile
having
a
conversation
with
the
mayor
about
it,
and
perhaps
we
can
work
further
at
full
council.
A
A
Okay,
would
anybody
like
to
second
the
martian.
A
Councilor,
taylor:
wouldn't
would
anybody
like
to
speak
for
or
against
it?
A
So
I'm
just
going
to
say
that,
from
my
point
of
view,
I
think
that
there
is
probably
work
that
the
city
can
do
in
regards
to
the
reimbursement
policy
to
remove
any
ambiguity
that
may
exist.
I
think
that
that's
probably
the
the
least
that
we
can
do
in
the
foreseeable
future,
because
I
think
that
there's
a
there's,
a
challenge
that
we
have
there
in
regards
to
making
sure
that
ratepayers
fully
appreciate
why
we
enter
into
these
travel
arrangements
and
how
we
drive
value
for
the
rate
payers
councillors.
B
We
don't
know
the
circumstances,
we've
all
read
a
story
in
the
bulletin
this
morning
and
I
think
we
we
should
move
forward
and
look
at
this
report
and
examine
it
in
the
context
with
which
it's
presented.
It
has
nothing
to
do
with
the
newspaper
article
this
morning
and
I
think
we
should
just
vote
to
recognise
what
happened
in
the
months
between
january
and
march.
A
Right
here,
council
is
all
in
favor
carried.
Thank
you.
A
6.2
the
infrastructure
charge,
identification,
monitoring
and
collection
policy.
We
have
mr
moran
with
us.
If
there
are
any
questions,
are
there
any
questions
in
regards
to
this.
C
A
So
I'm
going
to
have
a
stab
at
that
and
then
mick
can
have
a
go
if
he
really
wants.
So
the
practical
change
is
for
the
first
time
the
city
is
actually
taking
a
detailed
look
at
the
infrastructure,
notices
that
have
been
issued
and
categorizing
them
into
four
different
categories
based
on
volume
magnitude,
and
in
doing
so
we
effectively
satisfy
that
body
of
work
that
was
done
with
the
queensland
audit
office
in
regards
to
infrastructure
charges
and
being
able
to
identify
when
they
are
due
for
payment.
A
So,
as
we
know,
the
city's
had
record
approvals
and
with
each
approval
generally
comes
an
infrastructure
notice,
but,
as
we
also
know,
maybe
30
or
40
percent
of
those
approvals
never
get
built.
So
there
is
no
point
in
accounting
for
an
amount
of
money
that
will
never
be
received.
This
is
a
way
of
ensuring
that
we
receive
the
money
when
the
when
the
when
it's
due
and
that
no
nothing
slips
through
the
cracks.
A
So
mick
do
it.
How
did
I
go
okay,
and
I
think
the
most
important
thing
is
that
the
the
high
value
infrastructure
charges
are
identified
for
a
long
period
of
time,
and
it's
been
a
really
informative
body
of
work
that
the
city
offices
have
done
over
a
short
period
of
time.
So
I'll
go
with
councillor,
gates,
council
toes
and
then
councillor
taylor
and
then
councillor
young.
B
So
what
are
we
doing
in
that
space
to
ensure
that
we're
aware
of
when
the
use
commences,
because
I'm
aware
of
situations
where
there's
been
a
million
dollars,
for
example,
unpaid
for
a
number
of
years,
because
we
weren't
aware
that
the
use
had
commenced?
So
what
are
we
doing
in
that
space
in
the
new
policy.
H
H
So,
for
instance,
a
small
development
duplex
has
a
review
time
frame
of
nine
months
at
the
end
of
the
nine
month
period,
a
report
is
automatically
generated
which
is
delivered
to
our
infrastructure
charge,
review
group
and
that
prompts
them
to
review
the
charge
at
that
point,
and
that's
the
same
for
the
other
categories
that
have
different
time
frames.
But.
H
So
the
through
the
chair,
the
policy
itself
is,
is
our
mechanism
to
ensure
that
the
charges
are
reviewed
by.
H
By
our
infrastructure
charge
review
group
the
way
the
the
way
the
legislation
is
written
in
queensland,
it
says
for
a
material
change
of
use
application
the
charge
is
payable
at
the
time
the
use
commences.
The
city's
not
always
sure
when
that
is
so.
This
is
the
purpose
of
the
policy
is
to
ensure
that
we're
capturing
those
charges
moving
forward.
B
I'm
sorry,
I
just
don't
understand
how
it's
different
and
how
we
intend
to
capture
it.
If
someone
starts
to
use
it
yetla
and
our
officers
aren't
wandering
around
checking
every
property.
How?
How
does
the
review
group
intend
to
become
more
aware
of
when
the
use
commences
if
people
are
not
self-reporting
the
commencement
of
their
use.
I
Three,
mr
chair,
so
in
addition
to
the
reporting
that
grant
just
mentioned,
we
actually
now,
through
the
support
of
the
council,
have
additional
staff
in
the
team.
Who
will
do
a
range
of,
I
guess,
checks
and
measures
to
to
identify
these
properties.
So
based
on
the
initial
report
that
comes
through
there'll,
be
desktop
reviews
looking
at
near-map
to
see
if
there's
actually
buildings
there,
but
there's
no
charges
payable
site
inspections.
I
So
I
guess
there
is,
I
guess,
an
element
of
manual
work
for
officers
to
check
because
they're
the
ones
that
generally
slip
through
the
the
usual
measures
to
capture
charges
are
when
you've
got
a
subdivision.
So
a
developer
can't
seal
their
plans
until
they
come
through
council
and
we
don't
allow
plans
to
be
sealed
until
the
charges
are
being
paid.
I
The
other
one
is
building
certificates
so
when
they
come
in,
there's
a
review
to
make
sure
charges
are
paid,
whether
where
we're
missing
charges
or
where
we've
missed
them
in
the
past
is
when
neither
of
those
things
have
happened,
someone's
done
something
and
the
reporting
that
we've
now
got
gives
us
a
head
start.
So
we
actually
narrow
down
which
ones
are
at
risk
and
then
it's
sometimes
down
to
just
manual
offices
going
out.
C
Council
tyson,
thank
you
so
through
the
chair,
I'm
I'm
interested
in
how
we
as
council
might
be
able
to
be
kept
informed
of
this
process,
not
because
we
want
to
keep
an
eye
on
officers,
but
I
think
it's
actually
really
interesting.
C
So
the
reason
I
think
it's
interesting
is
because
someone
lodges
a
let's
say
a
20-story
building
and
then
when
they
want
to
sell
those
lots
and
someone's
going
to
move
in,
they
have
to
contact
us
to
seal
the
plans,
and
it's
at
that
time
we
don't
actually
let
them
do
that
until
they've
paid
the
bill.
That's
a
really
easy
mechanism,
because
it's
driven
by
the
money,
sometimes
an
infrastructure
charge,
is
payable
for
an
intensification
of
use
that
the
business
is
operating
that
continue
so
practical
example.
In
gilston
I've
got
a
leaf
vegetable
farm
who's.
C
Building
a
second
warehouse
there's
going
to
be
an
infrastructure
charge
payable,
probably
on
their
additional
building
because
of
the
additional
draw
on
infrastructure,
but
we're
never
going
to
know
when
they've
started
that
the
use
of
that
additional
building,
so
that
I
think
the
point
I'm
trying
to
get
at
is.
Is
there
going
to
be
a
report
that
we
can
review
on
a
six
monthly
basis
or
12
monthly
basis
that
can
give
you
some
local
knowledge
as
to
whether
a
use
may
have
started
or
not?
Is
that
something
that
could
be
done
or.
I
Yeah
through
mr
chair,
we
don't
have
anything
scheduled,
there's
nothing
on
a
forward
schedule,
but
we
can
bring
a
report
to
either
this
committee
or
maybe
planning
an
environment
committee
every
annually
or
six
monthly.
It.
C
Yeah,
the
short
answer
is,
I
actually
don't
know
what
what
makes
sense.
What
I'm
trying
to
do
is
that
every
divisional
counselor
has
local
knowledge
about
whether
something
started
or
not,
and
often
I
think
what
happens
is
you
might
get
a
20-story
building
lodged
and
approved,
and
then
it
turns
into
a
35-story
building,
and
that
might
not
happen
or
there
might
be
some
other
use
that
you
know
some
expansion
of
an
industrial
use.
A
Off
a
lot
so
to
my
interpretation
of
it
is
the
ceiling
of
the
plans
is,
is
the
easy
stuff
because,
but
the
building
works
being
completed
is
also
relatively
easy
as
well,
because
you
actually
can't
get
industrial
insurance
unless
you
can
provide
your
certificate
of
classification
in
regards
to
the
completed
building
works.
A
C
J
Yep
through
the
chair,
yes,
there
has
been
particularly
ones
where
the
use
has
commenced
for
say
a
welding
company,
but
the
use
has
since
ceased.
So
we've
missed
our
chance
to
sort
of
recover
the
charges
there,
because
the
use
isn't
currently
occurring
on
site
anymore.
C
C
I
Through
your
chair,
yes,
that's
right!
So
this
the
policy
is
probably
following
on
from
the
practice
that
we've
since
adopted,
since
the
council
supported
us
with
some
resources.
So
so
at
the
moment,
we've
currently
got
a
team.
That's
doing
this
work
actively
following
up
charges
and-
and
today
this
policy
is
kind
of
getting
council's
endorsement,
just
as
the
final
step
in
the
process
that
the
qao
instructed
us
to
go
and
do
yeah.
Okay,.
C
C
A
Be
shared,
there
were
two
amounts.
One
was
the
headline
amount,
which
was
all
of
the
infrastructure
charge,
notices
that
had
been
issued,
but
hadn't
necessarily
been
activated,
and
then
there
was
the
the
net
amount,
which
was
the
amounts
that
were
actually
identified
after
a
process.
So
maybe
that
I
don't
think
that
confidential,
but.
H
H
That
amount
has
declined
over
the
last
several
years
this
year.
The
amount
that
was
advised
to
take
up
was
just
shy
of
5.3
million
dollars.
So,
okay,
so.
H
Yes,
that's
correct:
several
years
ago
the
amount
was
closer
to
nine
million
right,
so
the
policy
what
the
policy
is
seeking
to
endorse
the
process
does
work.
It
is.
It
is
ensuring
that
we
are
collecting
money
when
it's
due,
and
you
know
that
can
be
seen
through
the
numbers,
but
but
the
headline.
C
So
I
mean
I,
I
think,
it'd
be
interesting.
I
don't
want
to
change
the.
I
can't
change
the
recommendation,
but
I
actually
think
a
six
monthly
or
12-month
report
to
councillors
keeping
them
across.
Some
of
that
would
be
good.
Clearly,
you
guys
have
worked
hard
on
it
to
take
it
from
nine
million
dollars
to
six
million
dollars,
but
I
think
that
actually
makes
sense
for
council
laws
to
be
kept
informed
of
some
of
that
body
of
work.
That
is
clearly
lowering
the
burden
on
ratepayer.
E
Thank
you
in
through
the
chair
and
I
think
we're
a
bit
touched
on
it,
but
I
just
want
to
clarify
we
have
our
da
and
then
at
the
application.
E
Building
application
is
when
the
triggering
of
the
infrastructure
charges
apply,
and
I
just
need
to
understand
that
when
we
have
a
development
application,
is
there
any
notification
for
that
property
that
there
is
a
possibility
of
a
infrastructure
charge
for
the
property,
because
there
has
been
a
development
application
approved
and
I'll
give
you
an
example,
and
I
know
exactly
directly
myself:
there
was
a
da
approval.
E
E
I
Through
your
chat,
I'd
have
to
take
that
somewhat
on
notice.
I
don't
believe
at
the
moment
that
there
is
a
property
notification
that
applies
so
sometimes
we
put
property
notifications
on
that
might
say:
you've
got
a
stormwater
management
plan
on
this
property
or
something
like
that.
So
when
a
conveyancing
solicitor
does
their
searches
that
comes
up
at
the
moment,
I
don't
believe
that
infrastructure
charges
are
on
those
notices.
I
It
is
possible
typically,
when
commercial
developers
purchase
land
they'll
often
get
a
planning
certificate
which
will
identify
when
charges
are
payable
or
not,
but
it
doesn't
usually
a
mum
or
dad
buying
a
duplex
won't
pick
that
up.
So
I'm
happy
to
take
that
on
notice
and
see
if
we
can
add
a
property
notification
somewhere
online
counselor
young.
D
Thank
you
and
through
the
chair,
I
I
note
that
and
in
what
chairs
said
about
you
know,
1.3
billion
and
we're
now
looking
at.
I
think
it's
5.6
million
or
something
like
that
in
charges,
noting
that
on
page
24
of
the
report,
it
does
say
that
the
resourcing
is
being
monitored
to
ensure
that
the
appropriate
resources
are
dedicated
to
the
review
of
this.
In
considering
that
infrastructure
charges
are
a
very
large
source
of
funding
for
the
city's.
D
You
know
water
and
sewerage
and
and
and
the
likes
and
transport
and
stormwater.
Is
it?
Is
there
enough
staffing
there?
Even
if
it
was
you
know
one
or
two
members
of
stuff?
I
don't
know
because
it's
not
I'm
not
in
that
field,
but
with
the
amount
of
funding
that
we're
relying
on
there,
especially
with
the
way
the
industry
is
at
the
moment,
is.
Is
there
sufficient
staff
in
place
to
ensure
that
that
we
keep?
On
top
of
this.
I
Three
chair
at
the
moment.
I
believe
there
is
so
a
few
years
ago
we
didn't
have
any
staff
to
do
this.
The
council
supported
us
with
getting
lauren
into
a
different
position
and
lauren
has
three
staff
in
the
team.
So
at
the
moment
it's
enough
staff
but
we'll
keep
an
eye
on
it
and
if
we
think
we
need
more,
we'll
respectfully
come
back
and
ask
at
a
budget
committee.
A
G
Mr
chair
look,
I
I
agree
with
the
notification
on
rates
and
the
reason
being
is.
I
know
that
there's
a
number
of
developments
that
are
happening
where
a
company
is
created
for
that
development
and
once
they
sell
units
or
duplexes,
the
the
companies
then
dissolved.
So
how
would
that
capture
when
that
happens?.
H
Through
the
chair,
all
infrastructure
charters
attach
the
land
and
they're
buying
on
the
owner,
and
the
owner's
success
is
entitled.
So
if
that
was
to
occur,
the
new
owner
would
become
responsible
for
the
infrastructure
charges
that
were
unpaid.
A
A
A
Happy
to
endorse
it
and
that
can
consider
those
my
clothes
as
well.
Anybody
else
would
like
to
speak
to
it
so
I'll
I'll.
Add
that
not
only
is
it
tidying
up
what's
in
practice,
it's
actually
formalising
in
a
policy,
something
that
was
missing
and
it's
probably
long
overdue
and
it'll
keep
the
external
members
of
the
audit
committee
happy
and
lauren.
Thank
you
for
the
work
that
you
did
on
all
in
favor
carried.
C
Counselor
taiser
outside
the
chambers
at
the
before
I
I
asked
if
there
had
been
any
practical
changes
and
it
was
related,
no
there's
none.
This
is
just
a
an
adoption
of
a
policy
where
we've
incorporated
the
divisional
newsletter
policy
into
this,
and
that's
pretty
much
it
yep.
A
Yep
great
excellent,
would
anybody
like
to
move
it
move
counselor,
hamill
anybody
like
to
second
it
thanks,
counselor
patterson.
Would
you
like
to
speak
to
it?
No,
I'm
fine!
Thank
you.
Would
anybody
like
to
speak
for
against
it
excellent
all
in
favor
carried.
A
E
Through
your
chair,
I
I
think
it
will
given
what's
coming
up
to
council
next
monday.
A
E
Yeah,
I
just
want
to
remind
everyone
at
the
last
full
council
meeting
in
relation
to
petition,
I
did
raise
a
a
conflict
declaration
which
I
believe
resolved.
So
I
presume
that
will
continue
with
this
particular
item.
A
So
too
was
that
and
hamish
is
with
us.
So
can
you
just
come
forward
hamish?
I
just
need
to
be
clear
as
to
whether
or
not
it's
a
a
declaration
that
carries
forward
to
this
meeting
or
whether
or
not
it
will
require
counsellor
taylor
to
go
through.
B
A
A
B
Chairman,
if
I
could
just
explain
so
that
councillor
taylor
understands
as
well
when
we
last
considered
his
declaration,
which,
in
my
recollection,
related
to
the
fact
that
the
the
unit
owners
have
a
contract
with
councillor
taylor's
company,
it
only
involved
the
presentation
of
a
petition.
It
wasn't
any
decision
that
the
council
was
making.
B
I
have
a
very
different
opinion
today
when
making
a
decision
about
the
matter
than
at
the
time
when
councillor
taylor
purely
presented
the
petition
for
our
future
consideration
and
that
of
the
officers.
So
I
would
suggest
that
councillor
taylor
needs
to
make
his
declaration
all
over.
E
Council
tower
and
I'm
happy
to
make
another
declaration.
This
is
the
declaration
that
I
will
be
making
is
the
same
declaration
that
was
made
the
first.
B
A
E
Correct
it's
the
same
that
we
use
for
the
very
first
time
it
came
to
council
for
the
decision
of
selling
of
the
land
and
it's
the
exact
same
declaration
that
was
resolved
for
the
petition.
A
A
A
A
A
B
B
B
B
B
A
Okay,
welcome
to
the
return
of
our
viewers.
We
have
councillor
taylor,
making
a
declarable
conflict
of
interest
declaration
councillor,
taylor.
E
Thank
you.
The
declarable
interest
I've
got
is
my
parents
as
shareholders,
company
desho
pride
limit,
said
this
company
has
a
contract
services
with
the
body
corporate
of
surface
plaza
resorts,
my
sons
run
the
business
of
the
business
and
the
company
at
present
time
right.
A
So
I'm
going
to
ask
a
quick
question
there,
so
you
have
no
equitable
interest
in
the
business.
No,
but
your
parents
do
and
your
sons
currently
run
the
business
correct.
So
it
could
be
a
related
party,
related
party
right.
E
Come
on
yep,
it's
my
the
reason
why
I
would
like
to
participate
is
I
believe
that,
as
a
councillor
of
the
area
of
the
view
that
the
participation
in
this
matter
is
in
the
interest
of
the
public
and
brings
to
mata,
open
and
I'll
bring
up
open,
persuadable,
mind
noting
that
the
matter
before
the
committee
say
does
not
touch
or
concern
the
above
interest,
and
these
are
quite
separate.
E
A
B
Well,
look,
I'm!
I
am
going
to
move
a
procedural
motion
that
counselor
taylor
not
participate
today,
and
my
explanation
would
be
that
I
I
think-
and
I
would
like
this
confirmed
before
I
proceed-
that
this
is
the
business
that
councillor
taylor
in
fact
ran
when
that
contract
was
initiated,
with
crown
plaza,
I
should
imagine,
or
during
before
your
election
as
a
representative,
were
you,
the
manager
of
the
business
day
shelf.
E
I
can't
comment
on
that.
I
don't
know
the
exact
date
because
we
only
have
had
the
contracts
in
the
last
two
two
and
a
half
years,
so
I'm
not
sure
of
the
exact
date
of
the
actual
agreement
we
have
previously.
Are
you
the
manager
over
there?
I
can't
the
current
contract,
I'm
not
sure
the
day
to
the
start
of
it,
but
over
a
period
of
time,
we've
had
the
building
on
and
off
over
a
period
of
long
period
of
time.
E
A
E
I'm
going
to
say
yes
thank
you
and
I
and
I
do
have
management
discussions
with
the
business
now
and
play
a
role
yeah.
Thank
you.
B
And
I
I
think,
on
that
basis,
councillor
taylor,
in
your
own
best
interests,
you're,
better
off,
not
participating
in
the
debate
about
this
matter
in
the
old
days.
It
would
be
considered
a
material
personal
interest
and
you
wouldn't
get
a
choice
because
your
family
is
benefiting
from
the
operation
of
that
company
about
which
you've
made
a
declaration
so
that
those
provisions
don't
apply
under
the
current
guidelines.
But
the
fact
that
your
close
relatives
are
working
in
the
business
and
you're
still
involved
in
the
management
at
a
level.
B
I
just
feel
it's
in
your
own
best
interest
not
to
participate
and
for
us
to
make
that
decision.
So
not
everyone
might
agree
with
me,
but
I
would
move
that
due
to
the
declare
the
declaration
that
councillor
taylor
has
made
that
he
not
participate
in
the
debate
debate
or
the
decision.
A
You
don't
want
to
second,
then
I'm
assuming
you
want
to
come
in
so
to
which
so
I've
got
a
mover
and
a
secondary
and
then
I'll.
If
it's,
okay
with
you,
council,
gates,
councillor
taylor,.
E
Thank
you
and
look.
I
do
appreciate
where
you're
coming
from,
and
I
thank
you
for
looking
the
protection,
I
think
when
the
decision
was
originally
made.
I
did
raise
a
a
conflict
decoration
at
the
time
which
did
give
me
the
ability
to
negotiate
deal
with
the
body
corporate.
As
long
as
we
took
notes
and
minutes
of
those
particular
meetings,
I
feel
that
I
have
been
as
a
local
member,
carrying
out
my
duty
to
talk
to
our
representatives
that
are
in
the
building
and
taking
those
notes
right
up
into
this
particular
time.
E
The
only
thing
that
I
would
look
ask
and
and
again
to
the
floor
is
even
if
I'm
not
part
of
the
decision
making.
I
have
had
a
a
involvement
from
before
a
decision
was
made
by
council
on
this
subject
through
to
now
with
permission
after
having
other
decorations.
So
look
I
am
open
to
the
floor.
All
I'm
just
bringing
to
the
floor
attention
is.
I
was
given
the
opportunity
to
represent
after
declarations
and
take
notes.
A
And
so
councillor,
taylor,
I
think
if
we
can
view
this
as
a
separate
point
in
time,
so
you've
conducted
yourself
in
accordance
with
the
curbs
or
the
conditions
that
were
placed
on
you
in
regards
to
an
earlier
discussion
and
counsellor
gates
has
moved
that
you
not
participate
in
the
decision
today
and
in
doing
so
we're
in
a
different
set
of
circumstances,
as
opposed
to
saying,
for
example,
you
participate
in
the
discussion
today,
but
don't
vote
or
any
other
of
those
type
of
combinations
that
are
available
to
the
floor.
A
So
at
the
moment
I
have
a
mover-
and
I
have
I
had
a
seconder
in
councillor,
paterson
and
and
so
that's
what
we
will
deal
with
now,
unless
somebody
wants
to
foreshadow
an
alternate
version:
okay,
which
you're
not
allowed
to
do,
and
there
are
no
to
best
of
my
knowledge.
There
are
no
other
conflicts
in
relation
to
this
matter
here
today.
I'm
noting
that
the
mayor
will
inevitably
make
a
declaration
in
regards
to
the
matter
at
full
council
councillor
patterson,
so
we
might
counsel
the
gate
to
you.
K
Yes,
thank
you,
so
I
I
just
wanted
to
say
why
I'm
voting
differently
on
this
to
when
this
conflict
has
been
raised
before
and
it's
because
it's
a
different
matter
of
concern,
so
I
was
comfortable
when
the
conflict
was
proposed
in
terms
of
a
general
sale
of
the
building,
but
but
this
is
bringing
a
concern
of
a
select
group
of
people
who
have
a
particular
focus
and
interest
and
they're
requesting
the
counsellor
to
support
that
and
the
counsellor's
family
has
a
significant
or
has
a
financial
benefit
or
interest
of
their
relationship
with
them.
K
E
C
Yes,
you
can
cancel
so
my
question
is
through
you
to
councillor
gates.
It
occurs
to
me
that
there
is
a
significant
public
interest
in
the
division.
10
constituents
having
their
voices
heard
through
their
divisional
counsellor,
would
councillor
gates
be
open
to
the
idea
that
the
council
taylor
could
participate
in
debate,
but
not
vote
so
that
the
public
interest
in
him
bringing
those
views
to
the
table
on
behalf
of
his
residents
occurs
because
there
is
a
public
interest
in
that.
But
then.
B
B
He
should
not
be
involved
in
this
decision
and
by
bringing
issues
to
the
table
or
by
discussing
it
further
from
his
perspective,
he
possibly
will
influence
the
decision,
and
I
don't
think
that's
appropriate
at
this
point
in
time
and.
C
And
just
I've
got
it
clear
that
that's
not
appropriate,
because
the
building
of
these
constituents
has
a
relationship
with
the
business
connected
to
councillor
taylor's
family.
Very.
C
B
Speaking
specifically
about
this
issue,
councillor
toza
and
I'm
happy
for
guidance
to
be
sought
from
the
city
solicitor
about
my
stance
today
and
I'd
obviously
be
guided
by
it.
But
my
strong
feeling
is
that
on
this
occasion,
at
the
pointy
end
of
the
decision,
councillor,
taylor
shouldn't
be
involved,
and
it's
regrettable
that
the
the
legislation
is
such
but
of
everyone
in
this
room.
I'm
more
than
aware
of
the
the
heartache
one
feels
as
a
divisional
representative
when
you're
not
able
to
be
involved
and
represent
your
community,
it's
damned
annoying.
B
A
Noting
that
the
legislation
has
dollar
thresholds
as
well,
which
are
quite
low
in
the
scheme
of
things,
you
know
so
and
here
we're
dealing
with
150
how
many
units
are
in
the
plaza
150
units
and
it
might
be
a
multi-year
contract
with
100
or
200
of
fire
services.
I
don't
know
you
know
so
and
and
fundamentally
the
car
park
itself
also
the
the
property
that
we
are
talking
about,
which
is
the
city's
property,
also
benefits
from
those
fire
services.
A
I
would
imagine
so
did
anybody
else
want
to
speak
for
or
against
yeah
sure
cancel
that.
K
Thank
you
it's
my
memory
that
when
this
matter
first
came,
we
were
first
dealing
with
this
conflict.
When
there
was
a
sale,
we
did
make
the
decision
that
councillor
tosa
could
engage
with
councillor.
Taylor
sorry
could
engage
with
the
group.
Take
notes
and
have
an
officer
present
was
that
right.
So
in
terms
of
that
representation,
it
won't
be
the
same.
However,
the
reason
why
we
created
that
is
so
that
there
is
documentation,
and
so
that
officers
had
note
of
those
meetings.
K
A
I'm
going
to
take
that
as
a
comment
rather
than
a
question.
So
would
anybody
like
to
close
counseling.
A
Councillors
we're
going
to
vote
and
paul.
We
need
to
take
a
division
on
the
vote.
So
councillor
is
all
in
favor
of
the
motion.
A
So
councilor
owen
jones,
councillor
hamill
councillor
gates,
councillor
patterson,
councillor,
baldwin,
lumsden,
councillor
pauline
young
councillor,
mcdonald,
noting
that
councillor
taylor
did
not
vote
sorry
councillor
taylor.
If
you
could
leave
the
room
and
we
will
invite
you
back
shortly.
A
So
I
don't
think
it
brought
any
of
us
any
joy
in
regards
to
what
we
had
to
do
there,
and
I
don't
think
anybody
should
see
that
as
a
criticism
of
either
the
committee
or
councillor
taylor,
who
is
who
has
done
his
best
to
represent
his
residents
in
a
challenging
situation.
A
Clearly,
we
had
a
petition
that
the
council
received.
The
petition,
asked
us
to
do
certain
things,
and
I
think
that
the
report,
in
my
view,
deals
with
the
majority
of
those
things.
I
see
no
reason
to
change
the
recommendation.
I'm
happy
to
move
the
recommendation
councillor
pauline
young
is
happy
to
second
it,
but
if
anybody
has
any
questions
we
have
ross
here
who
may
be
able
to
assist.
K
Chair
ross,
could
you
just
confirm
when
the
residents
in
these
that
have
proposed
the
petition
purchased
their
properties.
K
L
Through
your
chair
council
paterson,
I
can't
speak
specifically
to
that,
because
I've
not
viewed
the
cms
for
this,
for
the
property
to
determine
what
rights
may
have
been
referenced
in
that
in
respect
to
car
parking,
but
suffice
to
say
from
the
outset
of
that
development
in
1987,
the
car
parking
for
the
scheme
was
on
leasehold.
L
It
was
at
least
held
interest
only,
which
is
unusual
in
the
extreme,
so
essentially
those
original
off
the
plan,
buyers
and
any
subsequent
resale
buyers
have
never
had,
as
would
be
in
a
normal
strata
scheme,
a
car
park,
that's
on
common
property
and
an
exclusive
right
there,
too.
Yeah
thank.
K
You
and
in
follow-up
to
that,
not
from
an
officer's
perspective,
but
as
someone
who's
experienced
in
purchasing
and
dealing
with
property,
would
you
think
that
it
would
be
the
responsibility
of
a
conveyancing
lawyer
to
make
that
evident
to
a
purchaser
that
they
don't
actually
own
a
car
park?.
L
Again
through
your
chair
again,
unfortunately,
without
that
old
adage
of
buyer,
beware
again:
conveyances!
Probably
no
and
that's
that's
you
buy
it
pay
a
conveyance
of
peanuts
and
you
get
conveyancer
advice.
If
you
had
engaged
a
solicitor,
perhaps
you
would
get
better
advice
in
that
space.
I
I
think
historically
again
because
of
the
unusual
nature
of
the
parking
tenure
for
this
particular
property,
whether
whether
people
were
cognizant
of
that
or
not
I'm
not
sure.
But
again
it's
it's
really.
A
buyer!
Beware!
Situation
on
for
individuals!
L
It's
and
it's
really
the
scheme
now
purporting
some
some
broader
right
is
quite
fanciful.
A
To
my
understanding
of
the
residential
properties
in
central
surfers,
paradise
is
generally
when
there
is
car
parking
available
in
body
corporate
controlled
properties.
The
parking
bays
are
generally
numbered
and
noted
as
an
exclusive
use
under
the
body
corporate
scheme.
So
I
don't
think
there
are
too
many
body
corporates
that
would
exist
that
allow
a
free
for
all
in
regards
to
the
parking.
A
So
I
think
that
there's
a
bit
of
licence
that's
been
had
in
regards
to
the
expectations
of
some
of
the
property
owners
in
this
in
the
in
this
particular
property
in
regards
to
their
expectations
of
being
able
to
have
a
car
park
or
multiple
car
parks
available
free
of
charge
for
their
exclusive
use
and
the
the
fact
is
that
over
a
long
period
of
time,
there's
been
a
lease
payment
that
either
has
been
made
or
should
be
made
to
the
actual
property
owners
that
benefit
from
taking
that
risk
of
being
the
owner.
A
So
ross.
In
the
on
page
six
of
the
supplementary
agenda.
There
is
reference
to
the
city's
independent
valuer,
placing
a
value
of
a
hundred
thousand
per
annum
on
the.
A
Effectively
on
the
charge,
what
has
been
to
charge
today
to
the
body
corporate
in
regards
to
the
current
leasing
arrangements.
L
So
through
your
chair,
the
that
the
license
that
remains
on
foot
between
the
city
and
the
body
corporate
that
attaches
to
lot
six
is
one
dollar
per
annum
and
that
hundred
thousand
dollar
figure
that's
referenced
is
essentially
the
the
city
under
local
government
regulation
is
obliged
to
dispose
of
an
interest
in
land.
L
So
if
we
we,
if
we
entered
into
a
lease
in
the
fullness
of
time,
it
should
be
at
or
above
market
rate,
the
rate
applicable
for
transit
center
has
just
been
used
as
a
benchmark
of
circa
two
thousand
dollars
a
year
per
car
park.
There
are
around
50
car
parks
that
could
be
placed
on
our
land,
so
that's
where
the
figure
of
a
hundred
thousand
dollars
was
determined,
as
as
would
be
the
market
rate
for
that.
If
we
were
to
enter
into
release
and.
A
So
on
page
six
of
the
supplementary
agenda,
it
talked
of
how
the
city
had
received
a
late
request
in
the
tender
process
following
a
meeting
between
the
resort
and
the
divisional
councillor
who
I'm
assuming
was
councillor
taylor
for
the
tender
close
date
to
be
extended
and
provide
the
resort
with
a
further
opportunity
to
make
an
offer
to
purchase
lot
6.
A
A
And
in
making
that
seven
day
extension
period
of
time,
are
you
aware
of
whether
or
not
the
the
body
corporate
made
any
indicative
indications
of
that
of
what
it
was
interested
in
doing
so
clearly,
there
was
a
seven
day
period
to
provide
an
extension
of
time
had
they
talked
to
terms
or
dollars
or
anything
along
those
lines.
The.
L
The
feedback
we
received
was
simply
that
they
felt
aggrieved
that
the
the
the
period
for
them
to
submit
an
offer
was
insufficient
and
they
needed
further
time.
So,
for
you
know,
transparency
and
and
fairness.
We
extended
that
for
a
week
to
give
them
that
opportunity
and,
as
I
say,
nothing
was
forthcoming.
A
And
so
ross
you've
now
been
in
council
for
a
fair
period
of
time,
so
you've
probably
got
a
fairly
good
understanding
of
what
our
property
portfolio
looks
like.
Are
you
aware
of
any
other
residential
properties
on
the
gold
coast
where
the
city
provides
44
car
spaces?
No
jim?
No.
Thank
you.
Council
mcdonald,.
G
Through
you,
mr
chair,
after
that
weak
extension,
has
there
been
any
further
discussions
that
have
taken
place
in
regards
to
that
that
area.
L
Through
chair
councilman
mcdonald,
I'm
aware
that
there's
been
ongoing
discussions
as
between
councillor
taylor
and
the
body
corporate
which
I
think
has
crystallized
in
that
petition
being
submitted.
But
I'm
not
privy
to
the
to
the
conversations
or
what
was
discussed
so
I've.
C
Normally,
when
we
address
a
petition,
we
normally
have
a
resolution
that
talks
about
writing
to
the
lead
petitioner.
Is
there
a
reason
why
we
haven't
done
that
on
this
instance?
Can
we
because
we're
responding
to
the
petition
and
obviously
we're
proceeding
with
the
sale,
but
normally
there's
a
standardized
kind
of
that
the
council
right
to
the
lead,
petitioner,
letting
them
know?
C
A
You
know
so
counselor
toaster.
I
have
no
intention
of
changing
the
recommendation,
but
having
said
that,
it's
clearly
a
public
document
and
it's
clearly
in
their
interest
and-
and
I
don't
think
that
there
is
anything
that
prevents
councillor
taylor
from
any
interested
parties
in
that
direction.
Of
course,
and
clearly
I
think
that
the
officers
have
dealt
with
it
in
in
very
short
time
frame,
given
the
the
nature
of
the
of
the
tender
process
that
was
open,
councilor
gates.
B
L
Sorry
through
your
chair,
no,
the
notes,
as
I
understand,
were
taken
by
councillor
taylor's
pa.
I've
not
seen
those
notes,
I'm
not
privy
to
the
content
of
the
discussion,
so
it
might.
A
Be
that
they
are
provided
to
either
property
services
or,
alternatively,
through
to
the
property
order.
The
the
property
advisor
that
was
appointed.
B
Chairman,
I
think,
I'm
happy
to
support
the
recommendation
today.
I
don't
have
a
problem
with
that,
but
I
would
like
someone
to
review
the
notes
on
behalf
of
these
people.
The
intent
of
counsellor
taylor,
taking
notes
in
my
understanding,
would
have
been
in
case
he's
out
of
the
room
today,
so
that
we
still
have
a
record
of
the
commentary
around
his
meeting.
B
L
Thank
you,
I'm
sorry,
just
through
just
to
respond
to
that
cancer
case.
I
I
did.
Whilst
I
haven't
seen
the
details
of
the
notes
or
the
minutes
of
the
meetings
that
were
held,
I
did
have
a
number
of
follow-ups
from
councillor
taylor
pa
to
respond
to
issues
that
had
been
raised.
Primarily
that
was
copies
of
previous
council
reports
and,
and
you
know,
confirmation
of
some
of
the
advices
that
have
been
provided,
which
formed
part
of
those
reports
previously.
B
A
So
I'm
happy
to
I'll
speak
briefly
to
it.
Clearly,
this
is
a
relatively
unique
set
of
circumstances
for
the
city.
In
the
regards
to
the
current
use
of
the
property
and
the
historical
use
of
the
property,
we
have
an
obligation
to
all
of
the
right
payers
in
the
city
to
manage
our
affairs
as
prudently
as
possible.
In
this
regards,
I
do
know
that
we
appointed
a
property
advisor
to
assist
the
the
council
and
the
council
officers
in
in
the
transaction.