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00:00 Meeting Commences, Attendance/Apologies, Leave of Absence, Confirmation of Minutes 3.1, Conflict of Interest Declarations, Committee Forward Planning Schedule 5.1
03:35 Reports and Presentations 6.2
1:08:37 Report 6.1
2:06:12 General Business
A
What
I
might
do
is
deal
with
6.2
before
we
deal
with
6.1
councils,
were
there
any
attendance
or
apologies
to
note
no
I
received
none
no
leaves
of
absence
confirmation
of
minutes.
Were
there
any
concerns
with
those
minutes?
What
I'd,
then
do
is
sorry,
counselor
Gates,
you
had
a
concern,
okay.
Well,
what
I
propose,
then,
is
to
start
that
item.
Are
there
any
conflict
of
interest
declarations.
C
I
just
need
to
ask
the
committee
whether
they
would
like
me
to
make
a
declaration.
One
of
the
members
of
the
oxenford
Pony
Club
is
a
life
member
by
the
name
of
Jeff
Thompson
he's
a
former
president
of
the
club.
He
know
he's
no
longer
an
office
Bearer,
but
in
2008
hi
DSA,
the
company
he
works
for
donated
250
dollars
to
my
election
campaign.
I
have
not
prepared
a
declaration
because
it's
a
long
bow
to
draw
and
it's
a
very
tiny
amount
15
years
ago,
but
it.
A
C
A
I'll
I
mean
I
would
imagine
that
if
you
were
a
member
of
the
club
yourself,
yeah
you'd
be
subject
to
an
exemption
because
you're
simply
a
member,
so
I'm
comfortable
with
that
counselors
with
any
other
concerns,
no
okay,
brilliant,
so
conflict
of
interest
declarations
dealt
with
what
about
the
proposed
to
gender
items
for
lnc
any
questions
or
concerns
on
that?
No
we'll
keep
that
starred
the
horse
assessment.
We
will
unstar
so
6.1
if
we
can
unstar
6.2
is
unstarred
with
no
other
closed
session
items
and
we'll
leave
General
business
to
the
end
councilors.
A
So
if
you
recorded
the
okay
I'll
put
that
to
a
vote
all
those
in
favor
all
those
against
that
is
carried
all
right
councils.
Let
us
move
to
item
6.2
concerning
our
imported
red
fire
ants
on
the
Gold
Coast.
We
do
have
a
shortage
presentation
or
a
lengthy
presentation.
Just
before
we
can
begin
that
presentation
I
just
want
to
bring
everyone
up
to
date.
A
Councilor
Patterson
and
myself
had
an
opportunity
to
meet
with
City
officers,
as
well
as
some
stakeholders
in
the
industry
to
discuss
the
I
suppose
The
biosecurity
Quagmire
that
we
find
ourselves
in
City
officers
have
done
a
good
job
of
preparing
a
report
that
will
afford
US
the
opportunity
to
look
rather
critically
at
what
the
state
has
proposed
and
also
in
the
context
of
some
further
information.
That's
now
been
supplied
to
council
from
the
invasive
species,
Council
of
Australia
there's
a
lot
of
information
for
us
to
get
ahead
head
around
collectively.
A
The
stakes
are
also
very
high.
What
was
clear
during
that
discussion
is
that,
under
the
biosecurity
ACT,
we
have
a
general
biosecurity
obligation
to
deal
with
this
pest
on
our
land
type
in
some
sense.
What
the
report
is
proposing
is
for
us
to
to
ratchet
up
our
efforts,
but
in
fact
what
it's
merely
doing
is
calling
us
to
meet
our
General
biosecurity
Obligations
in
a
responsible
way.
A
Oh,
we
can't
accept
responsibility
for
this
because,
ultimately,
it's
a
mess
of
the
state's
creation
and
although
we
may
step
up
in
the
public
eye,
that
must
be
done
so
in
a
way
that
makes
it
clear
that
the
state
has
put
us
in
this
position.
Like
so
many
things.
When
we
get
involved
in
cross-jurisdictional
issues,
we
can
end
up
becoming
the
face
of
the
disaster.
We
have
to
avoid
that
at
all
costs.
A
So
I
just
wanted
to
provide
that
context
leading
in
today's
presentation,
because
it
was
certainly
front
of
mind
for
Council
Patterson
and
myself
who
attended
that
meeting.
I
did
circulate
a
copy
of
the
invasive
species.
Council
report
to
director
twine
ahead
of
this
meeting
director,
if
you
wouldn't
mind,
circulating
a
copy
of
that
report
to
all
committee
members
after
this
I
think
we
can
do
that
yeah
a
bit
of
a
wake-up
call
for
us.
Did
you
want
to
make
an
introduction
there
director,
before
you
headed
into
the
presentation.
D
D
D
So
that's
a
pretty
high
category.
Restrictions
on
moving
materials
in
and
out
of
biosecurity
zones,
which
have
been
declared
is
really
important
to
try
and
stop
the
spread
of
these
particular
pests.
The
impacts
to
the
Gold
Coast
are
severe
and
we'll
have
a
look
at
that
in
a
moment,
and
it's
really
across
all
aspects
of
the
Gold
Coast,
our
people,
our
way
of
life,
our
tourism.
So
it's
a
very
real,
clear
and
present
danger
with
these
particular
pests
as
I'll
show
you
in
a
moment.
Through
this
presentation,
the
detections
are
increasing
rapidly
shockingly.
D
So
so,
let's
have
a
look
at
the
history.
How
did
we
get
here?
They
were
first
detected
in
the
port
of
Brisbane
coming
in
in
2001,
there
was
an
eradication
program
established
I
think
they
fired
up
an
old
school
in
the
around
Oxley
or
somewhere
in
Brisbane,
and
they
had
a
team
based
out
of
there.
The
first
detection
on
the
Gold
Coast
we
understand
to
be
around
about
2006.
D
I,
think
there
was
a
a
view
in
the
state
that
this
had
pretty
well
been
dealt
with
by
this
time,
but
by
2010
the
state
had
decided
to
introduce
a
suppression
task
force.
These
things
hadn't
been
eradicated,
they
hadn't
been
eliminated,
but
hadn't
been
suppressed,
so
they
had
to
fire
up
again,
pardon
the
pun
and
in
2016
biosecurity
Zone
was
established,
so
the
pests
were
getting
out
of
control.
In
2017
we
saw
a
10-year
eradication
plan
being
commenced
in
2020.
The
city
raised,
concerns
and
I
recall
a
council
of
Oster.
D
You
were
in
the
media.
There
were
real
concerns
because
these
pests
were
establishing
themselves
in
the
coast
and
I
think
we're
on
a
council
of
field
trip
once
in
TI
and
we're
on
site
in
the
northern
part
of
the
city,
and
we
were
actually
observed
fire
ants
and
fire
ant
officers
going
about
their
business
there.
Then
some
of
you
might
recall
that
there
was
a
strategic
review
of
the
program
in
2021.
These
findings
were
released
this
year.
D
The
Queensland
audit
office
also
really
support
quite
recently
on
the
performance
of
the
methodology
to
date
and
we'll
talk
about
that
in
a
moment,
and
even
more
recently,
the
national
agricultural
ministers
meeting
endorsed
a
new,
four-year
response
strategy
and,
as
we'll
show
you,
the
detections
are
increasing
rapidly,
and
let's
have
a
look
at
that
right
now.
So
if
we
can
run
that,
there's
a
bit
of
a
video
if
I
press
play
we'll
have
a
look
here,
we
go.
C
Thanks
very
much
chair
through
you
to
the
director
to
these
figures
that
we
that
you
were
just
showing
do
they
represent
all
of
the
fire
ant
detections,
so
both
those
detected
by
Council,
as
well
as
the
state
because
I
went
to
a
willow,
Vale
neighborhood
watch
meeting
on
about
the
25th
of
July
and
dozens
and
dozens
of
nests
were
reported
to
me
that
night,
which
I
sent
through
to
our
officers
I
haven't
had
a
response
yet,
but
at
that
time
they
had
gone.
Two
two
Property
Owners
had
gone
directly
to
the
state
and
I.
A
Yes,
Council
Gates.
You
might
recall
a
couple
of
meetings
ago
when
we,
when
councilor
young,
raised
concerns
about
Miami
State
School
yep
on
the
border
of
pizzy
park.
There
is
an
issue
with
the
state
government.
Not
sharing
information
with
us
and
part
of
the
advocacy
that
I've
been
attempting
to
lead
through
the
media
is
for
the
state
to
adopt
a
real-time
reporting
platform
so
that
City
officers
know
where
these
hot
spots
are.
So
we
can
communicate.
A
E
A
A
We're
not
it's
it's
shambolic
and
the
QA
qao
report,
together
with
the
invasive
species.
Council
self
is
really
really
sobering
and
just
on
the
issue
of
response,
not
only
is
response
delayed,
but
treatments
are
proposed
to
be
limited
to
just
twice
rather
than
three
times,
which
is
actually
to
what
is
required
to
deal
with
this
threat.
A
On
the
issue
of
baits
being
expired,
I've
heard
that
myself,
what's
really
concerning
and
it's
foreshadowed
in
our
recommendation
when
we
get
there,
there
is
sometimes
a
cost
to
those
bytes,
and
at
this
critical
juncture
we
need
the
state
government
to
be
supplying
those
baits
free
of
charge,
because
people
have
hard
enough
time
putting
food
on
the
table
at
the
moment
to
then
think
to
purchase
baits
is
a
bit
ridiculous.
So
thank.
D
No,
that's
right,
oh
very
good,
question
Council
Gates,
and
it
really
addresses
one
of
our
recommendations
in
the
report,
which
is
time
to
take
a
review
of
this
methodology,
an
independent
review.
So
we
can
have
a
look
at
those
sort
of
issues:
the
flow
of
data,
the
rapidity
of
the
response,
so
there's
quite
a
few
questions.
I
believe
that
that
need
to
be
addressed
if
I
can
just
go
through
the
rest
of
this
and
we'll
pick
up
some
of
these
ongoing
themes.
D
As
I
mentioned
earlier,
there
was
a
meeting
last
month
the
national
agricultural
ministers
meeting
at
that
meeting.
They
had
a
revised
10-year
plan
with
a
newly
developed,
four-year
response
plan.
So
up
to
16
million
dollars,
We
Believe
has
been
brought
forward
for
this
financial
year.
The
work
plan
for
year,
one
is
anticipated
to
start
in
September
and
it
includes
the
Gold
Coast.
D
There
is
a
buffer
zone
around
the
entire
bio
security
Zone
that
you
can
see
there
with
the
focus
on
we
call
them
reefer,
red
fire,
ant
surveillance
and
treatment,
a
focus
in
this
plan
on
increased
compliance
on
human
assisted
movement
of
materials
and
Community
self-treatment
projects.
So
this
is
what
they've
discussed
at
that
meeting.
Further
to
that,
however,
and
as
Council
of
Worcester
said
earlier,
the
invasive
species
Council
has
released
a
media
statement
yesterday.
D
They
believe
that
133
million
budget
is
required
to
deliver
year,
one
in
the
work
plan
and-
and
that
comes
from
the
state's
own
information
revised
down
to
84
million
due
to
funding
shortfalls.
Only
60
million
dollars
announced
from
the
meeting
on
the
30
8th
of
July,
and
they
also
claim
that
the
decision
will
result
in
significant
cost
increases
in
the
program
timeline,
blowouts
and
further
spread
of
red
fire
ants.
F
F
What
we
found,
though,
is
with
the
with
the
increase
in
the
detections
and
the
situation
that
the
Gold
Coast
is
facing
at
the
moment
that
three
resources
is
not
enough
to
to
continue
that
work,
because
they
have
become
involved
in
a
lot
of
the
responsive
work
and
they
have
been
treating
the
fire
ants
out
there
across
the
city.
So
we
have
looked
at
recruiting
an
additional
three
resources
which
then
takes
us
to
a
team
of
six
within
that
fire
amp
prevention
team.
F
So
we
are
looking
today
to
ask
for
recommendation
to
obtain
funding
for
those
additional
three
offices
so
that
they
can
help
support
the
state
out
there
in
the
community
dealing
with
this
issue
at
hand.
We've
also
been
working
with
the
state
on
providing
accommodation
and
equipment
for
their
staff.
They
have
advised
us
that
they
are
looking
at
deploying
approximately
50
resources
to
the
Gold
Coast
and
the
anticipated
commencement
date,
for
that
is
the
end
of
August,
beginning
of
September.
F
So
we
have
been
working
closely
with
them,
especially
our
parks
and
recreational
Services
Branch
to
offer
accommodation
at
coomba
bar
and
also
at
Mary
Mac,
and
that
is
in
the
stages
of
final
agreement.
At
this
point
in
time,
going
back
to
the
reporting
issue
and
the
data
issue,
councilor
Gates
that
you
were
raising,
we
have
actually
been
working
closely
with
the
state.
F
So
that
has
been
trialed
and
tested,
and
it
is
only
a
number
of
weeks
away
before
we
can
actually
Implement
that
new
portal,
which
will
help
us
to
have
accurate
reporting
and
consistent
reporting
and
understand
exactly
what
the
data
is
telling
us
so
I
think
that's
a
good,
a
good
progress
in
that
reporting
and
obtaining
that
data
from
the
state,
which
will
certainly
help
us
understand
the
situation
with
that
intelligence.
We've
also
developed
ourselves
a
weekly
report,
which
was
attachment
3
within
the
report,
because
there
was
that
Gap.
F
So
we
were
obtaining
some
raw
data
from
the
state,
also
using
our
data,
putting
that
together
and
preparing
a
weekly
update
so
that
at
least
we
could
understand
what
that
was
telling
us,
in
particular,
very
very
large
increase
in
detections
during
July,
which
has
been
very
concerning.
So
we
wanted
to
to
keep
an
eye
on
that.
So
that
is
an
interim
measure
of
a
weekly
report.
F
Moving
towards
an
actual
information
portal
later
on,
we
have
commenced
a
community
awareness
campaign
and
I'll
go
through
that
in
a
little
bit
more
detail
as
part
of
this
presentation,
with
some
of
the
draft
initiatives
that
we've
been
working
with
our
colleagues
in
corporate
communication
on
and
we've
also
set
up
a
Gold
Coast
fire
ant
working
group.
We
reached
agreement
with
the
state.
They
were
appreciative
or
and
acknowledged
all
of
the
support
that
the
city
has
been
providing
at
this
point
in
time,
and
they
did
agree
to
have
regular
working
group
meetings.
F
We
actually
had
our
first
meeting
last
week
on
the
3rd
of
August
and,
due
to
the
time
frames
in
publishing
the
committee
report,
that
information
and
update
from
that
meeting
wasn't
included
so
I'm
happy
to
give
an
update
on
that
meeting.
Now
so
at
the
working
group
we
agreed
to
work
together
with
the
state,
and
that
was
a
really
good
outcome
to
see
the
program
advised,
as
I
mentioned,
that
they're
actually
deploying
four
teams
to
the
Gold
Coast,
which
equates
to
about
50
resources
and
they
plan
to
be
on
board
later
this
month.
F
The
community
suppression
projects
that
have
been
trialled
in
the
past
on
the
Gold
Coast.
We
discussed
that
and
how
we
could
look
at
rolling
out
free
bait
for
the
community
moving
forward.
Ian
Jamison,
our
specialist
in
this
field
is
here
today.
Ian
and
I
are
actually
meeting
with
the
program
tomorrow
to
progress
that
free
bait
program
to
look
at
what
could
be
the
starting
point
and
what
locations?
F
We
could
look
at,
deploying
that
and
working
closely
with
with
the
state
on
on
that
project
moving
forward
and
we're
also
wanting
to
wanting
to
work
with
them
on
their
communication
strategy
and
their
key
messaging
to
make
sure
that
we're
aligned
and
what
we're
actually
informing
and
educating
the
community
on
is
consistent
with
what
they
have
out
there.
So
we
have
worked
as
I
said
earlier
and
I'll
run
through
some
of
that
detail
on
our
communication
strategy,
but
we
also
would
like
access
to
their
information
so
that
we
can
be
consistent
in
that
space.
F
So
the
proposed
actions
for
the
city
moving
forward
I
spoke
about
the
resources
and
expanding
that
team
from
three
to
six
and
also
having
the
necessary
Vehicles
equipment
to
go
along
with
that.
The
community
awareness
campaign.
We
have
started
drafting
that
as
I
mentioned,
but
we
would
like
to
implement
that
as
soon
as
possible
and
make
sure
that
we
can
use
and
access
All,
City
channels
that
are
available
to
us,
including
the
rates
notice,
social
media
Etc,
and
also
we're
proposing
an
independent
reefer
assessment
to
assess
the
current
situation.
D
Thanks
Joe,
so
some
words
on
the
community
awareness
campaign.
It's
clear
that
people
don't
really
know
what
to
look
for,
and
it's
not
really
omnipresent
in
the
community
for
such
a
a
telling
threat
to
the
Gold
Coast.
So
we
would
propose
to
use
all
of
our
channels
and
I
think.
An
important
point
is
if
we
are
putting
on
additional
resources
to
make
it
clear
that
this
is
a
city
response
and
we
can
align
those
resources
whilst
we're
notionally
working
with
the
state.
D
We
really
need
to
look
after
our
beaches,
our
Parks,
our
Council
assets,
and
we
would
align
those
new
resources
to
specifically
those
assets,
because
we
know
that
there's
a
large
scale
baiting
program
but
as
you
see
from
the
detections,
which
are
noted
in
the
report,
there's
a
lot
of
them
and
we
need
a
lot
of
resources
to
do
the
direct
Nest
injection
to
make
sure
that
they
are
gone.
I'll.
Give
you
the
example
of
the
Broadwater,
Parklands
and
I.
Think
you
raised
a
good
example
there,
before
councilor
gates
with
the
information
you
were
given.
D
When
we
were
told
about
the
26
nests
at
the
Broadwater
Parklands,
they
were
treated,
but
when
we
went
back
was
it
a
week
later
in
there
was
how
many
more
it
was
pretty
significant.
Wasn't
it
it's
still
half
a
dozen,
so
you've
got
to
go
back
a
couple
of
times
to
make
sure
these
things
are
actually
eradicated.
So
it's
a
it
is
a
pretty
significant
resourcing
ask
and
if
we
want
to
eradicate,
we
have
to
be
right
on
it.
D
D
If
we're
putting
people
on,
we
have
the
opportunity
here
to
distinctly
brand
and
let
the
community
know
what
the
city
is
doing
in
addition
to
the
state
response.
So
some
examples
here
that
we
can
use
our
electronic
means
wherever
possible,
to
let
people
know
the
message
we
can
put
the
A-frames
out
and
let
people
know
it's
the
city,
treating
these
fire
ants
in
these
places,
and
you
know
the
vehicles
that
we
can
use.
We
can
brand
up
as
well.
So
the
community
are
aware
that
the
city
is
taking
this
obligation
very
seriously.
Indeed.
D
So
the
recommendations
in
the
report
before
you
today
to
undertake,
as
I
mentioned
earlier,
an
independent
assessment
and
I
think
there's
enough
information
before
us
now
to
Warrant
that
there's.
Certainly,
questions
that
have
been
raised
in
terms
of
the
methodology
employed
the
response
times
that
this
the
state
are
offering
wants.
The
signings
have
been
called
in.
D
So
let's
have
a
good
look
at
it
and
to
see
whether
they're
on
the
right
track
or,
if
there's
anything
which
can
be
improved
both
at
a
state
level
and
a
city
level
endorse
the
funding
for
the
three
additional
positions
to
help
with
this
implement.
The
community
awareness
campaign
have
the
mayor
and
our
CEO
write
to
the
state
government
for
additional
resources
and
funding
and
to
endorse
that
state-led
public
education
campaign
and
the
free
baits
for
the
city
residents,
which
we
Now
understand
from
the
state,
looks
like
being
a
possibility.
A
A
It's
they've
created
this
mess
and,
regrettably
we're
the
benefit
communicators
and
the
more
the
most
trusted
I
think
of
communicators.
So
if
we
have
these
vehicles
buzzing
around
with
City
branding
alongside
the
fire,
ant
prevention,
piece,
I
think
we're
going
to
become
a
lightning
rod
for
Community
anger.
If,
in
fact,
the
state
government
has
botched
this
so
badly,
that
eradication
is
not
possible.
A
We
I
don't
want
us
to
take
on
public
accountability
when
it
actually
rests
with
the
state
government.
The
other
thing
that's
sort
of
come
to
mind
here
is
that
there
are
issues
I
think
with
people
not
reporting
fire,
ants
and
I'd
occasion
to
speak
with
water
gum
on
the
weekend,
and
we
were
talking
about
reporting
infestations
and
some
of
their
members
had
attempted
to
do
that,
and
they
found
it
extremely
difficult
to
actually
Report
infestations
with
biosecurity,
Queensland
very
difficult
and
I.
Just
wonder
from
a
technical
point
of
view.
A
My
question
before
I
open
it
up
to
the
floor
and
I'll
come
to
at
Deputy
Mayor.
First
then
councilor
Tozer,
I
I
just
want
to
get
a
sense
on
what
we
mean
when
we
say
that
our
response
is
to
support
the
state's
response.
Are
we
looking
at
augmenting
their
50
people
with
an
additional
six
so
that
we
have
56
resources
on
the
ground
or
will
the
work
of
these
additional
six
city
offices
be
different
from
the
work
of
those
50
State
offices?
And
how
do
we
explain
that
to
the
community
I.
G
Might
have
first
crack
if
that's
all
right,
chair
so
well,
I
guess.
The
first
thing
I
would
say,
is
having
been
responsible
for
the
successful
eradication
of
a
pest
in
a
Zone
in
a
different
life
in
a
in
a
different
job,
which
was
a
gift
from
Queensland.
The
fruit
fly
came
to
Tasmania
Q
fly
they're
a.
There
are
two
factors
at
play
here:
the
the
Queensland
government
and
their
state-by
security
response
will
be
largely
about
eradication.
G
So,
and,
and
will
continue
to
work
with
the
Queensland
government
On
the
Border
eradication
piece,
but
the
reason
that
I've
got
the
the
reason
the
team
has
got
this
intervention
in
place
is
that
we've
just
got
too
high
risk
around
those
high
value
assets
to
leave
them
unchecked.
Now
Queensland
government,
of
course,
would
say
we're
not
leaving
them
unchecked,
but
they
will
be
doing
an
outside
working
in
towards.
A
I
could
just
imagine
you
know,
footy
final
season
and
if
we
have
to
go
knock
out
five
or
six
fields
for
a
fortnight,
that
could
be
an
unmitigated
disaster,
I'm
thinking
about
school
holidays
and
if
we've
got
an
infestation
on
our
beaches.
What
that
looks
like
total
disaster,
so
I'm,
very
supportive,
but
I
just
think
we
need
to
get
that
messaging,
just
absolutely
nailed
down.
Okay,
just.
G
One
more
Point
yeah
thanks
just
in
what
you
said
councilor.
So
there
is
no
better
group
in
Australia
that,
in
terms
of
community
who
has
the
ability
to
communicate
to
the
Gold
Coast
public
than
the
City
of
Gold
Coast,
we
are
connected.
We
are
at
Connected
at
a
community
level.
We
are
connected
at
a
Grassroots
level,
so
I
think
where
we
can
add
huge
benefit
to
this
program.
G
Is
our
capacity
to
get
out
and
communicate
to
Gold
Coasters,
whether
that
be
through
the
app
or
whether
that
be
through
the
rates
notice,
our
rate
payers
and
our
residents
are
used
to
us,
communicating
to
them
directly
and
having
now
worked
at
both
levels
of
government,
you
know
the
Queensland
government
just
doesn't
have
that
level
of
connectivity
that
we
have
so
I.
Think
you
know
my
experiences
from
qfi
and
and
the
eradication
program
that
ran
in
the
north
of
the
state
in
Tasmania
was
education
and
was
critical
getting
people
to
understand.
G
G
A
A
I've
often
wondered
why
we
focus
on
these
massive
zoomed
in
shots
of
ants,
on
like
those
keys,
for
example,
but
that
key,
rather
than
what
a
nest
looks
like
because
for
me
the
nest
is
the
the
most
obvious
upfront
thing
that
you
would
see
could
I
just
get
a
response
to
the
suggestion
of
incorporating
a
reporting
mechanism
in
our
app
and
why
that
is
perhaps
been
ruled
out.
Yeah
I
mean
through.
F
The
chair,
our
understanding,
is
that
there's
different
technology
platforms
at
play,
so
it
would
take
quite
a
bit
of
effort
to
have
them
talking
to
each
other.
It
is
an
out
of
the
question,
though,
and
it
is
something
that
we
could
certainly
look
at,
but
we
would
need
resourcing
to
to
look
into
that.
A
Well,
look
I
mean
I
I,
you
know
I
I'm,
only
one
of
two
people
in
the
room
with
a
you
know,
information
systems,
degree.
So
I,
don't
presume
to
know
exactly
what
the
city
offices
or
state
counterparts
are
proposing,
but
I
would
imagine
that
some
of
us
would
be
Fielding
phone
calls
or
receiving
emails
about
infestations
and
merely
having
the
app
capture
an
image
with
a
pin
drop
and
a
location,
and
a
contact
phone
number
might
might
be
enough
for
us
to
make
referrals.
G
A
C
Thanks
chair,
you've
just
touched
on
what
I
was
going
to
raise
initially
and
that's
that,
in
regard
to
reporting
and
education,
people
think
they're
much
larger
than
they
are
these
fire
ants
because
of
the
way
that
they're,
presented
and
I
see
that
on
a
key.
But
are
they
just
that
they
can
be
as
Tiny
as
do
millimeters?
G
So
the
first
step
is
getting
people
to
understand
what
they
look
like
and
the
the
the
potential
impact,
because
you
have
to
remember.
These
are
different
to
a
lot
of
biosecurity
pests
where
they
have
a
direct
physical
impact
on
humans,
right
so
and
on
kids
and
on
dogs
and
on
and
if
you're
in
the
farming
Community.
They,
you
know
they're
having
a
massive
impact
on
cattle
in
parts
of
Queensland
so
and
certainly
in
South
in
Southern
New,
Southern
USA.
They
are
as
well.
So
absolutely
that's.
The
first
step.
H
Thank
you,
chair
on
page
111.,
there's
a
weekly
report
of
confirmed
red
Emporio
fire
ant
protections
and
I'm
assuming
it's
all.
It
looks
like
public.
That's
not
confidential
and
I
got
an
email
on
Monday
from
a
relatively
high
profile
person
in
madugan,
who
said
that
his
wife's
seen
a
post
on
Facebook
and
they're
a
fire
ants
all
over
badangan
area.
H
Do
you
have
any
recent
information
regarding
this
and
we
started
searching
for
information
because
we
hadn't
heard
of
any
reports
in
banogan,
and
it
appears
that
Finnegan
isn't
one
of
the
suburbs
identified
on
this
weekly
report
of
10th
to
the
14th
of
July?
My
question
is:
is
there
a
way
for
this
weekly
report
or
a
version
of
it
to
be
made
available
to
councilors
either
in
a
distributed,
email
or
some
sort
of
web
page?
We
could
check
on
that
was
updated
regularly.
So
we
can
really
keep
our
residents
informed
through.
F
The
chair,
we
can
absolutely
do
that
at
the
moment.
What
we
do
do
is
every
detection
that
we
get.
We
are
advising
the
local
councilor
and
also
the
asset
custodian
within
that
area.
So
that
is
a
process
that
we've
recently
put
in
place,
but
we
can
certainly
look
at
that
data
and
making
that
available.
So.
H
D
H
I
think
I
think
that
would
be
really
helpful
for
us
to
make
sure
that
residents
are
both
aware
and
also
I.
Think
it'd
be
interesting
to
see.
Could
you
describe
for
me
the
process
of
identification
and
then
treatment,
and
that
timeline
like
how
long
does
it
take
from
that
point
of
identification
and
report
to.
I
Through
the
chair,
so
a
report
to
the
program,
so
all
firearms
have
to
be
reported
to
the
program
to
the
state.
That's
got
to
be
absolutely
clear,
but
when
they
get
that
report
they'll
triage
it
so
the
time
it
takes
to
treat
a
fire
ant
nest
depends
on
where
it
is
so
outside
the
biosecurity
Zone,
where
there
aren't
any
fire
ants.
That's
number
one
priority
it'll
get
knocked
over
in
24,
48
Hours.
I
When
you
go
inside
the
further
away,
you
are
from
that
eradication
Edge
the
longer
it
takes
so
something
in
the
north
of
the
city
takes
a
lot
longer
to
be
treated
than
something
in
the
South.
The
city
and
I
can't
speak
for
the
program's
time
frames
on
that,
but
they
try
and
get
there
within
12
days,
but
we
do
know
of
instances
out
to
30.
H
Right
and
so
when,
when
someone
so
when
you
say
that
that
area
is
one
of
these
Maps
like,
is
it
page
110
or
is
it
the
which
what
is
the?
What
is
this
treatment
map?
How
do
we
determine
where
that
map
is
because
I've
got
a
map
on
page
112,
that
kind
of
captures
most
of
the
Gold
Coast
City
and
then
there's
another
one,
that's
kind
of
similar,
but
a
little
bit
less
on
page
110
and
then
there's
the
one
on
109's
got
one
as
well,
which
one
is
this
map
you're
talking
so
through.
I
I
The
the
Western
bios
security
zone
is
what
is
was
previously
managed
as
an
eradication
area.
Yes
and
the
Eastern
biosecurity
Zone
previously
managed
as
a
suppression
area.
That's
us!
That's
us.
Okay!
That's
changed
now
to
the
Horseshoe
approach
where
the
entire
outside
circumference
will
be
so
that
was
their
previous
plan
of
attack
the
program.
The
state's
plan
of
attack
for
eradicating
fire
ants
was
from
the
West
to
the
east
that
hasn't
worked.
We've
had
bulges
to
the
North
and
the
South.
I
H
So
the
question
I
had
was
you
touched
on
this?
My
original
question
was:
what
does
the
treatment
process
look
like?
What's
the
timeline
and
you've
said
that
in
certain
areas
of
the
city-
and
you
mentioned
the
north-
that
it
takes
quite
a
lot
of
council
Hamilton
kind
of
off
the
Record
remark
about
it?
Taking
up
to
you
know
three
months,
but
you
said
that
if,
if
something's
captured
outside
a
certain
area,
when
you
say
outside,
what
can
you
describe
what
inside
and
outside
means?
I
I
G
If
you
eradicate
this
one,
there
could
be
three
relatively
close,
so
you've
got
to
keep
on
that
to
make
sure
that
you
don't
have
them
mixed
in
the
South,
got
it
where
there's
not
as
many
sites,
and
that
you
can
deal
with
you
can
treat
the
the
one
spot
pretty
well
know
that
having
treated
it
and
eradicated
ants
from
that
spot,
they're
not
going
to
get
any
crossover
from
the
others
that
that
was
the
point
that
was
being
made.
The
point
I
was
making
now
that
we've
got
this
on
the
screen.
G
If
I
can
again
chair,
is
that
literally
you
can
see
what
the
Queensland
government
and
I'm
not
questioning
the
methodology,
because
that's
fine
they're
working
on
eradication,
so
they're
going
to
slowly
bring
the
Horseshoe
in
that's
the
plan.
Isn't
it
the
problem
with
that
is
our
high
value
assets
are
at
the
furthest,
Edge
away
in
that
some
cases
from
where
they're
working
at
the
moment?
G
So
what
we're
going
to
do
with
our
six
staff
is
two
things
we're
going
to
help
them
bring
the
Horseshoe
in,
but
we're
also
going
to
concentrate
on
our
high
value
assets
from
a
prevention
point
of
view,
not
necessarily
an
eradication
point
of
view,
because
we
want
to
make
sure
that
there
are
no
fire
ants
in
the
in
the
places
where
that
are
of
highest
value.
To
us.
The
highest
value
for
the
Queensland
government
right
now
is
eradication
which
I
can
understand,
but
we're
going
to
try.
F
H
F
I
A
G
If
they
see
something
being
able
to
report
it
to
us
letting
us
know,
and
then
our
teams
can
either
go
out
if
it's
in
those
High
critical
areas
or
reported
on
to
the
to
the
state
biosecurity
response,
you
are
absolutely
right.
We
have
more
people
on
the
ground
in
this
city
who
could
potentially
see
these
pests
than
anyone
else
and
we've
got
to
make
sure
we
use
that
Workforce
and
we
are
yeah
like.
I
Through
the
two
just
to
build
on
that
point,
we've
got
to
rebuild
the
confidence
in
our
own
Workforce
and
also
the
community
as
I'm
sure.
Anyone
living
in
the
north
of
the
city
understands
that
the
state
has
created
quite
the
issue
for
us
and
Reporting
fatigue
is
one
way
I
describe
it,
and
people
are
sick
of
reporting
fire
antness
and,
having
nothing
happen,
that's
changing.
You
know.
We've
seen
that
with
our
troops
on
the
ground
and
we're
hoping
the
state
can
follow
our
example.
J
I
can
nearly
tell
when
there's
someone
new
to
a
Parks
team,
because
there'll
be
a
whole
lot
of
pink
circles
pop
up
somewhere
and
there'll,
be
a
new
staff
member
in
that
team,
and
then
that
wears
off
over
time-
and
it's
probably
where
my
head
was
going
to
that.
If,
if
we
were
further
into
that
space
of
eradication,
not
only
in
the
very
high
priority
areas,
but
in
more
in
parks
in
sports
fields
in
general,
that
would
help
going
some
way
that
they
can
see
that
the
pink
circle
goes
down.
J
Then
it
gets
gets
hit.
My
next
question
was
around
so
I'm
going
to
use
Zips,
Park
and
Alberton
as
the
example.
So
we've
been
there
a
dozen
times
in
the
last
three
years
with
with
ness
so
ATV
goes
out.
We
do
the
granular
treatment
on
it
and
when
we
find
Nest
they
get
treated
yet
exactly
on
the
other
side
of
the
chain
link
fence
on
the
next
door,
neighbors
property.
On
the
Headlands,
I
can
walk
that
and
find
15s.
J
So
it's
kind
of
a
pointless
exercise
because
we
treat
the
field
in
our
square
meters
and
literally
on
the
other
side
of
the
fence.
There
are
nests
sitting
right
there
and
I'm
sure
they're
being
reported
the
state
and
that's
where
the
three
months
thing
come
in
that
so
we're
going
to
do
treatment
and
treat
the
sports
field
and
literally
on
the
other
side
of
the
chain,
link
fence.
They
sit
there
for
months,
and
you
know
you
just
about
guarantee
that
we'll
be
back
there
again.
So
how
do
we
tackle
that?
J
G
G
There
is
a
why,
but
it
works
like
waves.
If
you've
just
got
a
wave
of
threat,
you
can
continue
to
eradicate
and
continue
to
eradicate,
but
you're
actually,
you've
got
to
deal
with
the
broader
threat.
That's
why
we
have
to
support
the
Queensland
government
with
their
approach
of
on
eradication
and
then
take
a
spot
by
spot
approach.
G
Terms
of
the
specific
example:
you've
given
more
boots
on
the
ground
from
our
point
of
views
means
that
we
have
got
the
capacity
to
knock
on
the
door
and
have
a
conversation
about
with
the
landowner
next
door
and
say
we're
here
to
help,
and
you
don't
necessarily
have
to
rely
on
the
Queensland
government
who
might
be
taking
30
days.
You
know
if
you're,
taking
a
critical
or
high
risk,
Zone
approach
or
high
risk
asset
approach.
It's
not
just
the
asset,
it's
the
surround
the
land
surrounding
it.
G
J
So
I'll
finish
with
this
chair
an
example
of
just
how
good
the
state
are
doing
in
this
so
cane
Fields
area,
where
the
where
it
started
on
the
Gold
Coast
from
after
about
two
years
of
badgering,
the
state
government,
they
agreed
to
do
a
aerial
treatment
by
helicopter.
I
had
to
say
up
until
that
point.
They
just
said
no
like
we're
concentrating
out
on
the
Horseshoe
like
you,
you
locate.
Village
is
literally
the
last
part
we're
going
to
get
to
so
we're
not
going
to
do
anything.
J
Ness
reportings
went
through
the
roof,
which
is
probably
reflective
in
the
amount
we're
picking
up
as
the
city
in
our
other
areas.
They
finally
gave
in
and
said,
okay,
we'll
do
an
aerial
treatment
and
we'll
do
a
community
treatment
as
well.
So
every
land
owner
in
the
farming
area
was
given
baits.
Instead,
you
go
out
and
treat
your
Headlands
by
hand
and
then
we'll
come
over
the
top
of
the
helicopter
with
a
suppression
over
the
top
of
the
whole
thing.
J
Well,
half
the
baits
they
gave
out
failed
were
out
of
date
or
not
treated
properly.
So,
on
my
property,
for
example,
not
only
did
it
take
10
of
those
resources
to
come
and
drop
off.
Two
buckets
of
baits
I
had
three
marked
lion:
cruises
and
trailers
come
onto
the
property
to
drop
off
two
buckets
worth
of
baits.
There
was
10
people
there.
J
One
of
those
buckets
didn't
work,
so
half
the
Headlands,
all
the
nests
died,
the
other
half.
They
went
crazy.
Still.
The
helicopter
somehow
managed
to
stuff
it
up
and
double
up
in
areas
and
not
treat
others,
which
I
believe
is
a
half
million
dollar
exercise.
But
that's
the
level
of
yeah
like
that.
It
just
it
blows
your
mind,
and
so
you
report
a
nest
and
and
we're
one
of
the
ones.
I
haven't
reported
a
nest
in
years
because
it's
pointless
but
and
we
take
care
of
them
ourselves.
J
J
You
wait
for
a
different
team
to
come
out,
which
should
be
two
weeks
later,
probably
after
you've
had
to
call
them
up
two
or
three
times
and
then
a
different
team
of
10
people
in
a
few
Vehicles
come
out
to
kill
that
one
nest
in
that
time.
They've
moved
five
meters
to
the
left
and
you
can
see
the
other
Nest
it's
sitting
right
there,
but
because
there's
no
pink
flag
next
to
it.
That
team
can't
kill
it
that
I'm
just
kidding.
J
You
know
that
that's
their
response,
that
is
the
quality
of
their
response
and
in
the
start,
if
you
report
a
nest
in
your
property,
you'd
have
50
people
come
out
and
they
would
literally
walk
the
property
hands
next
to
hand
each
other
like
walking
Tire
properly.
To
identify
more
now.
It's
all
they'll
come
in
and
kill
the
one
and
just
drive
back
out
it
is.
It
is
an
absolute
and
utter
joke
and
you
can
probably
detect
my
level
of
confidence
that
the
level
actually
eradicate
the
damn
things.
A
C
Want
to
ask
through
you,
counselor
chair
how
realistic
the
well
the
eradication
area
that's
marked
out
is
given
that
they
can
fly.
How
far
can
they
fly
five
kilometers?
So
it's
I've
said
before
when
I
spoke
with
Minister
ferner
it
like.
After
that
conversation,
we
had
a
discussion
where
it's
not
a
Bushfire,
where
you
can
build
a
containment
wall
and
say
well
we're
not
going
to
let
anything
come
out.
I
mean
they
can
travel
by
water.
They
can
fly
so
I.
Just
don't
understand
how
they
can
stop
the
spread.
It's.
A
A
question
of
resources
really,
and
we
now
have
read
of
the
invasive
species
Council
report
which
I'll
have
circulated
it.
They
basically
say
quite
categorically:
there
is
a
cost
required
to
achieve
eradication
and
that
cost
is
not
reflected
in
the
budget
commitments
from
the
state.
So
even
if
we
do
what
we're
proposing
to
do
and
the
state
do
what
we're
what
they
propose
to
do.
My
my
assessment,
based
on
what
the
industry
is
saying,
is
that
we
won't
achieve
eradication.
A
They
get
stuck
into
the
electrical
wiring
of
homes
and
they
start
building
Hollows
under
home
foundations,
causing
them
to
collapse
in
the
United
States.
You
cannot
get
home
insurance
due
to
firearm
damage,
so
if
they
don't
meet
the
need,
which
is
that
600
million
dollar
need,
there
will
be
billions
of
dollars
incurred
across
the
economy
and
our
infrastructure
will
be
impacted
and
we
will
have
no
way
to
ensure
against
it.
It's
frightening.
Okay,.
C
D
A
K
Jones,
so
my
first
question
is
just
in
regards
to
what
we're
doing
operationally
when
we
move
equipment
in
within
those
two
buffer
zones.
So,
for
example,
I
know
that
we've
got
slashes
that
that
started
Miami
and
go
up
North
and
then
come
back.
Do
we
use
it
air,
compressors
or
anything
to
to
clean
the
equipment.
I
Through
the
chair,
we
mowers
are
a
low
risk
item.
The
velocity
of
the
Blade's
been
in
Florence,
don't
really
like
them,
but
with
our
mulch,
our
soils,
our
Machinery
there's
an
inspection
process
that
each
of
the
work
areas
has
in
place
to
ensure
we're
not
transfer
transporting
fire
ants.
So
that's
a
big
risk
for
councilor
guys
is.
While
they
can
fly
five
kilometers,
they
can
hitchhike
a
lot
further.
Yeah.
G
And
can
I
just
while
I've
got
the
opportunity
say
that
I've
been
briefed
on
those
processes
and
they're
as
good
as
any
I've
seen
anywhere
in
Australia
and
for
anyone
anyone
who's
out
there
suggesting
or
seeking
to
pass
the
buck
in
any
way
towards
city
offices
or
city
office
staff.
It
is
rubbish
and
not
true.
We
are.
We
are
undertaking
absolute
best
practice.
G
K
A
K
A
A
That
explains
the
background
to
the
situation,
the
state
responsibility
and
the
city
interest
in
targeted
prevention
on
Key
Community
and
economic
assets
and
another
one
that
City
officers
merely
investigate
updating
the
seat
of
Gold
Coast
smartphone
application
to
include
a
mechanism
for
reporting
suspected
infestations
to
the
city,
noting,
of
course,
there's
a
an
obligation
to
report
that
to
the
state
too
Council
Gates.
Do
you
have
some
thoughts
on
these
last
two.
G
K
A
H
A
H
A
A
A
A
A
A
A
There
we
go
so
counselors
I,
don't
propose
adding
too
much
to
this
debate,
because
it's
one
that's
been
unfolding
for
the
last
three
years.
I
just
want
to
note
that,
generally,
we
are
as
a
council
rather
uncomfortable
stepping
into
the
space
of
the
state
government,
but
in
this
case
I'm
persuaded
that
it's
in
our
economic
and
community-
and
you
know
ultimately
the
public
interest
to
do
so,
and
it
also
reflects
the
fact
that,
as
far
as
public
land
is
concerned,
Council
owned
land
we've
got
a
general
biosecurity
obligation
anyway.
A
My
hope
is
that
we
continue
putting
the
blow
torch
on
those
who
are
ultimately
responsible
for
This
Disaster,
because
even
if
they
were
to
achieve
everything
that
they
commit
to
I
still
don't
think
we're
going
to
get
there.
So
this
has
to
be
just
a
further
step
towards
the
resourcing
outcome
that
we
need
to
protect
the
Gold
Coast
way
of
life
and
for
any
of
those
out
there
who
believe
that
this
is
somewhat
of
an
overreaction
and
that
we
can
live
with
it.
A
A
A
A
H
C
H
So
in
the
checking
my
phone
this
morning,
a
gentleman
by
the
name
of
Jeff
Thompson
has
emailed
me
and
identified
himself
as
the
Director
of
Michelle
group.
Services
councilor
Gates
made
a
comment
earlier
saying
that
Mr
Thompson
had
made
a
donation
to
some
15
years
ago.
I
think
that's
immaterial,
but
I
just
wanted
to
check
through
you
to
her.
Whether
Michelle
group
Services
has
made
any
donations
since
that
time,
because
he's
identified
himself
in
this
email
as
a
director
I
haven't
really
had
a
chance
to
digest.
E
C
C
I
have
a
question
about
the
the
report
that's
attached
to
the
officers
report,
so
the
work
that
was
done
by
the
consultant,
because
the
path
that
disturbs
me,
the
most
about
the
recommendation,
is
that
the
consultant's
report
clearly
says
that,
due
to
land
constraints,
the
they're
talking
about
the
nerang
pony
Club
site,
the
site
would
struggle
to
co-locate
clubs.
There
is
no
room
for
additional
structures,
and
existing
facilities
would
struggle
to
cater
for
multiple
users.
C
I,
don't
know
how
we
get
from
that
statement
to
a
recommendation
that
suggests
that
we
relocate
two
clubs
to
that
site
without
knowing
there's
a
lot
of
vegetation
on
the
site
without
knowing
the
detail
of
what
can
actually
occur
on
that
site.
It's
all
very
well
to
say.
Yes,
we
might
be
able
to
do
this
and
we
might
be
able
to
do
that.
But,
as
a
council,
we
don't
know
that
unless
we've
got
that
information,
so
I
certainly
can't
support
it.
From
that
point
of
view,
I
wondered
also.
C
M
Thank
you
Council.
It
goes
through
the
chair,
yes,
Council
Gates.
The
way
you've
been
you've
read.
That
report
is
correct.
There
is
some
interpretation
in
the
wording
so
when
they
talk
about
co-locating
they're
talking
about
moving
one
club
and
Facilities
to
a
club
or
to
a
space
and
whether
or
not
that
can
be
accommodated-
and
there
are
some
challenges
and
we're
not
recommending
that.
But
if,
on
page
18
of
the
report
it
does
actually
highlight
that
there
is
capacity
for
limited
membership
growth.
M
So
when
we
took
when
we
looked
at
the
oxenford
Pony
Club,
currently
they
have
a
membership
of
60
or
70.
Those
numbers
are
always
difficult,
but
we
can
see
that
they've
got
38
writing
members,
so
we're
not
proposing
to
co-locate
the
oxenford
member,
the
Oxford
Pony
Club,
we're
proposing
to
merge
them
into
the
one
club
and
allow
the
facility
facilities
at
narang
to
be
embellished
to
accommodate
those
writing
members
and
to
allow
for
greater
volunteers
a
greater
a
greater
membership.
M
The
the
report
indicates
that,
and
they
do
have
a
fair
amount
of
experience
in
conducting
these.
These
types
of
reports
they've
done
this
for
a
couple
of
other
local
governments.
Their
recommendation
is
that
a
club
of
around
100
members
is
a
really
sustainable
Club,
so
they
can,
you
know,
manage
their
assets
in
regards
to
question
two
around
the
the
dogs
and
those
sorts
of
aspects.
M
C
Sorry
I
I
would
like,
when
the
opportunity
is
to
move
a
changed
recommendation
for
deferral.
I
know
that
councilor
toza
would
like
to
have
marjoraba
still
undertake
the
work
that
is
suggested
here
and
I
have
no
problem
with
that
happening
concurrently,
but
I
did
provide
a
changed
recommendation
which
I'm
happy
for
it
to
be
amended,
councilor
Tozer
to
accommodate
what
you
want
for
madruba.
But
if
there's
other
questions,
I'll
wait,
Jim
and
until
you're
ready
to
consider
my
change
recommendation.
A
Deputy
I'm
happy
to
have
you
moved
that
I
Council,
Bowden
Lumsden
did
have
his
hand
up
earlier,
so
I'll
go
to
council
button
lumps
and
then
counselor
toza
for
some
questions
was
there
a
second
for
sorry,
yeah
sure
thing
were
you
before
or
after
cancer?
So
could
the
order
correct?
Okay,
that's
right!
So
we'll
go
basically
left
to
right.
So
we'll
go
I'll
be
old.
Toes
are
O'neill
and
just
to
give
us
give
those
who
are
asking
questions
a
bit
of
context.
A
A
Okay?
Well,
let's
then
have
general
questions.
Is
there
a
presentation?
No,
there
isn't
there
isn't
great.
So
there's
a
report.
So
let's
ask
some
general
questions
and
then
we'll
come
back
to
this
I'm,
actually
very
happy
to
support
your
recommendation.
Councilor
Gates,
thank
you
and
I'll
propose
to
do
that.
But
only
after
we've
had
some
questions.
L
Thanks
chair
just
from
the
report,
we
just
had
some
questions
about,
like
the
embellishments
of
the
sites.
The
report
spoke
to
most
of
the
sites
being
over
embellished,
but
then
the
recommendation
said:
there's
a
need
for
a
hundred
thousand
dollars
was
curious
on
that,
so
on
page
32
it
said
the
hundred
thousand
was
for
design
and
upgrade,
but
then
which
to
me
the
word
upgrade
sounded
like
the
delivery
of,
but
then
the
recommendation
I
only
use
the
word
planning
and
design.
So
it
sounds
like
that's
actually
not
even
achieving
the
outcome.
L
M
Three
of
you,
Mr
chair,
yes,
you've,
you've
pretty
much
got
that
right,
we'll
use
that
hundred
thousand
dollars
in
some
planning,
and
then
we
have
the
rest
of
that
money
in
that
strategic
Reserve,
which
has
been
portioned
and
allocated
for
this
proposal.
If
further
funding
for
other
sites
or
anything
else,
it
will
have
to
come
through
the
budget
process
and.
A
The
way
I
read
the
the
recommendation
is
presently
constructed.
We
put
the
100
Grand
in,
we
dropped
the
design
which
will
have
to
be
done
in
consultation
with
the
clubs
and
only
following
a
mutually
satisfactory
outcome.
Is
there
a
trigger
for
the
effective
merger
of
the
clubs?
Correct?
Yes,
once
again,
I.
C
Just
chairman
wanted
to
add
so
that
everyone
is
aware
the
funding
in
the
Strategic
Reserve
I
want
to
ask
for
clarity,
I
believe.
That's
the
funding
that
councilor
Owen,
Jones
and
I
fought
for
for
the
bank
stabilization
works
at
oxenford.
We
then
moved
to
motion
when
that
blew
out
from
a
million
dollars
to
seven
million
dollars.
We
then
moved
a
recommendation
that
those
funds
be
set
aside
for
a
new
home
for
the
oxenford
Pony
Club.
We
then
looked
at
the
Stuart
land
and
the
Pony
Club
was
happy
to
move
there.
C
Then
we
dashed
their
hopes
there.
We
then
looked
at
yatla
and
we
dashed
their
hopes
there.
They
were
willing
to
go
there
for
the
establishment
of
a
new
club
with
those
funds
that
had
been
set
aside
and
proverb
preserved
for
their
relocation.
Is
that
the
funding
that
you're
now
anticipating
to
use
the
first
one
hundred
thousand
dollars
from.
C
C
L
L
L
L
M
K
L
I
was
just
concerned,
oh
not
concerned
confused
changes
because
the
pins
looked
more
precise
than
than
postcodes
or
suburb
names,
so
I
wasn't
entirely
sure
how
it
was
was
determined
and
I.
Think
in
the
report
it
talked
off
the
post
being
posted
okay,
yep
and
then
yeah.
It
was
just
trying
to
make
sense.
With
the
50
members.
There
was
about
seven
locations
for
oxenford,
Pony,
Club,
honor,
yeah,
work
out
the
scale
and
and
whatnot
of
the
map.
A
H
So
my
question
through
you
to
to
to
Jody
or
Tony,
was
when
we
talked
to
the
clubs.
What
was
the
Oxenberg
club
membership
I
appreciate?
I've
received
some
emails
from
people
who
may
or
may
not
be
members.
What
was
the
executive's
position
on
this
recommendation?
The
oximeter,
in
particular
in
the
rain.
B
So
that's
why
majority
of
the
recommendations
was
further
investigations
into
majority
of
these
sites
when
we
met
out
on
site
with
the
oxenford
Pony
Club.
The
reason
why
we
haven't
provided
background
information
on
the
Oxford,
Pony
Club
or
the
facility
assessments,
because
we've
already
done
that
and
the
recommendation
to
relocate
them
is
because
of
the
erosion
at
Charlie's,
Crossing
Parks.
So
we're
potentially
going
to
get
to
a
point
where
we
will
have
no
choice.
They
will
have
to
relocate
somewhere.
B
They
won't
be
able
to
utilize
that
facility
for
much
longer
because
of
the
amount
of
erosion,
and
we
have
done
previous
investigations
at
the
stewards
Road
site,
where
the
club
came
on
site
as
well,
and
they
said
that
it
actually
wasn't
suitable
because
of
the
way
that
it
flooded
at
Stewart's
road,
then
we
went
out
to
it
was
increment.
Farm
was
the
second
option
that
we
had
between.
That
report
was
presented
in
April,
2022
and
the
end
of
the
year.
That's
when
it
was
reallocated
for
the
film
industry.
B
So
that's
when
we
went
back
to
the
drawing
board
and
said:
okay,
let's
have
a
look
at
the
entire
horse
community
on
the
Gold
Coast
have
a
look
at
their
membership
data,
similar
to
what
we
did
with
the
Diamond
Sports
plan.
Is
there
another
better
use
of
the
land
that
we
currently
have
with
all
of
these
facilities
in
place?
We
captured
all
of
the
pony
clubs.
We
captured
an
equestrian
club.
H
So
could
you
characterize
for
me
when
you
enter
that
CPR
consultant
meeting?
Could
you
characterize
the
relationship
between
the
clubs
for
me
just
so
yeah
capitalize?
What
are
the
clubs
like
I
know
what
my
club
is
the
largest
club
and
much
about
playing
in
our
club
they're,
quite
big
and
they're
very
easy
to
get
along
with.
They
have
great
facilities,
even
though
they
do
flood.
What's
the
relationship
like
between
the
different
clubs.
B
Sorry
through
the
chair,
it's
just
like
any
normal
sporting
club.
In
essence,
they
do
compete
against
each
other
from
Club
to
Club,
but
they're,
just
like
any
other
normal
sporting
club
is
that
they
do
have
their
own
like
it's
their
Club,
so
they
do
have
an
ownership.
They
do
have
a
certain
respect
and
yeah
ownership
with
their
individual
clubs.
So
yeah.
H
Continue
the
oxenford
painting
clubs
later
until
the
end
of
this
lease
and
then
renew
it.
Your
professional
opinion
of
the
the
erosion
issues
is
that
a
feasible
option
on
the
table
at
all
and
if
we
didn't
use
it
for
Pioneer
Club
activities,
what
sort
of
community
activities
would
it
potentially
change
to.
B
Sorry
through
the
chair,
I'm,
not
an
engineer
so
unfortunately
from
a
professional
point
of
view,
I
can't.
But
the
latest
reports
that
we
did
receive
is
that
the
erosion
will
continue
and
we've
even
found
without
the
flood
events
that
it
does
continue
to
erode.
So
the
last
flight
event
early
last
year
it
eroded
between
five
to
ten
meters.
We
had
to
move
the
fence
line
in
again
and
now
we're
finding
that
the
bank
is
right
on
that
fence
line
and
we're
going
to
have
to
move
it
in
once
again.
So
it
is
continuing
to
erode.
B
We'll
probably
have
to
do
some
further
modeling
to
say
potentially
how
long
it
will
take
to
erode
to
that.
But
it
is
getting
very
close
to
the
sand,
Arena
and
would
potentially
have
to,
which
is
the
area
that
the
oxenford
Pony
Club
Drive
their
cars
and
their
horse
floats
through
that
back
area
and
that's
their
main
car
parking
area
around
the
back.
So
I
can't
provide
a
definite
time
on
that,
but
it
potentially
will
get
to
a
point
where
we
won't
be
able
to
have
that
vehicle
access
around
the
back.
Because
of
those
erosion
within.
H
N
Thanks
chair
I'm
not
opposed
to
councilor
Gates's
change,
but
I
would
like
for
the
television
Pony
Club
Part
D,
to
be
included,
because
if
you
do
look
at
the
Consultants
report,
it's
given
it
high
priority.
The
I
don't
know
if
anybody
was
aware,
but
the
last
fighting
event
and
the
one
before
that
the
Pony
Club
was
decimated,
and
it
would
just
be
helpful
to
do
that
report.
So
they
could
protect
their
assets
going
forward.
They're
a
very
healthy
Club
over
100
members.
Awesome.
C
A
E
H
A
C
A
A
My
sense
of
it
as
chair
is
that
we
are
being
fair
to
all
concerned.
I
mean,
let's
not
forget.
The
only
reason
why
we're
in
this
position
and
they've
had
this
body
of
work
produced
is
because
of
the
issues
at
oxenford
that
actually
precipitated
the
discussion
for
the
balance
of
the
city.
So
I've
actually
got
no
problem
with
the
substantive
part
of
this
committee
recommendation
dealing
with
oxenford,
but
then
picking
up
the
redeemable
findings
in
the
report
concerning
the
other
clubs,
namely
madrabah
Southport,
and
what
was
the
other
one
currumbin
telemundra.
C
Can
I
just
say
that
maybe
in
relation
to
five
I
was
not
aware
that
the
club
agreed
that
that
wasn't
a
successful
site,
I
or
a
potential
site?
I
was
aware
that
that
the
officers
told
them
there
were
limitations
with
access
because
of
flooding.
But
that's
going
to
be
the
same
for
anyone
using
that
site.
They
need
to
be
resolved
so,
but
maybe
there's
other
sites
too,
that
we
could
explore.
A
A
L
L
A
Just
have
a
look
at
Pub
2
because
it
says
if
that
City
officers
review
the
Stuart
land
and
other
opportunities
for
potential
Northern
Gold
Coast
facility,
excluding
any
Elgin
land
designated
for
sporting
activities.
So
we
don't
want
to
pursue
a
northern
facility
at
the
expense
of
you
know
otherwise,
developable
sporting
fields
that
could
carry
footy,
for
example,
that
be
correct.
K
Thank
you
and
I
think
councilor
Bowden
London's
concern
regarding
the
number
is
in
part
the
complication
of
this
report.
So
there
are
a
limited
number
of
available
sites
throughout
the
city
for
us
to
actually
do
equestrian
activity.
Some
equestrian
activity
over
time
has
lost
their
sights
and
it's
about
how
we
best
use
the
limited
resource
the
city
has
complicated
in
this
is
the
is
the
addition
of
the
oxenford
men's
shed,
which
is
a
legacy
item
in
part.
K
They
currently
occupy
the
original
building
that
the
oxenford
Pony
Club,
built
in
the
mid
70s,
and
that
building
has
reached
the
end
of
its
life
and
ultimately
needs
to
be
removed.
So
so
this
recommendation
actually
talks
about
that
coming
forward
as
a
as
a
further
report,
so
resolving
that
is
still
important
to
the
community
that
I
represent
and
likewise.
K
And
so
so
likewise,
the
coomera
Valley
Rural
fire
brigade
is
also
another
important
Community
Asset
that
we
need
to
resolve
where
they've
outgrown
their
existing
premises,
and
we
were
interested
in
exploring
that
so
I
think
the
I
think
I'd
be
interested
in
knowing
to
the
ultimate
question
through
you,
chair
to
the
officers,
is
if
we
were
to
go
with
this
recommendation.
That
talked
about
a
further
report
dealing
with
those
things.
What
either
the
director
of
the
officers
thought.
K
The
timing
of
that
report
might
be
because
I've
been
trying
to
get
a
new
shed
for
the
oxenford
men's
since
2016,
and
it's
had
all
sorts
of
complications
and
I'd
really
like
to
deliver
that
sometime
in
the
next
10
years.
So
what
would
the
timing
of
what
would
the
timing
of
the
report
be
in
regards
to
four.
D
D
I'm
aware
of
the
the
days
ticking
down
counselors,
so
on
number
four,
it's
it
is
contingent
on
what
happens
with
the
rest
of
the
use
of
that
site.
Now
from
what's
been
discussed
here
today,
there
are
some
externalities
that
we're
going
to
have
to
investigate
and
deal
with.
We
would
need
to
have
a
landing
on
what
happens
with
the
Horse
Club
before
we
can
necessarily
land
the
men
shed
so
I'd
hope
to
do
that
sometime
earlier
in
the
new
year.
So.
A
Those
actionable
items
that
come
out
of
the
report
for
the
benefit
of
other
clubs
and
give
City
officers
an
opportunity
to
then
tie
those
things
together,
director
between
If
This
Were,
to
be
carried
and
I'm.
Mindful
that
councilor
toza
is
a
foreshadowed
recommendation
which
I
hope
is
emailed
through
to
chamber
support.
A
A
A
His
feedback
to
me
is
that
he
is
supportive
of
a
deferral
and
his
concern
was
that
the
clubs
had
not
been
engaged
prior
to
the
publication
of
the
committee
report
and
that
the
time
and
I,
hopefully
I'm
not
putting
words
in
his
mouth.
But
the
extra
time
would
allow
those
clubs
to
better
grapple
with
the
options
in
front
of
them
as
limited
as
they
appear
to
be.
H
Please,
yes,
I
said
sure,
thank
you.
So
my
question
is
just
through
you
to
Judy
and
Tony
about
the
Stuart
land
and
I'm,
trying
to
Grapple
with
the
elements
of
two
and
five
in
the
motion.
That's
before
us,
you
touched
on
the
Stuart
land
before
it
helped
me
understand
why
it's
not
suitable
for
a
pony
Club.
According
to
the
report.
M
Through
the
chair,
the
report
that
came
back
last
time
under
the
resolution
that
that
outlined
that
that
land
wasn't
suitable,
it's
the
nature
of
the
activity
that's
conducted,
so
Stewarts
wrote
and
the
nature
of
why
Stewart's
Road
was
purchased.
It
was
purchased
because
it
has
the
potential
to
provide
a
bigger
capacity
than
busy
park
for
the
in
the
north
of
flood
prone
land.
H
C
C
So
if
this
and
I
was
not
aware,
the
club
had
written
I've
never
seen
that
to
say
that
the
Stuart
land
is
not
appropriate,
but
I'm
happy
to
delete
the
Stuart
land
and
just
say
that
other
opportunities
be
explored.
I
mean
the
fact
is
that
to
merge
a
50
year
old
club
with
another
club
is
just
plain
wrong,
without
even
talking
to
them
about
a
potential
merger
up.
A
Council
go
outside
I.
Think
the
best
thing
is
to
deal
with
the
words
that
we
have
and
what
we'll
do
is
between
committee
and
full
Council
give
City
officers
an
opportunity
to
redraft
the
mess
that
we
have
on
the
on
the
screen
and
perhaps
seek
some
guidance
from
the
mayor.
Who
was
pushing
this
Stuart
land
bit
whether
he
still
has
an
appetite
to
carry
out
a
site
visit
might
be,
he
doesn't,
and
we
can
get
some
advice
from
his.
C
A
So
I
think,
like
my
preference,
is
to
get
up
the
yellow
words
yeah,
because
that
captures
a
little
bit
from
all
of
us
and
we'll
give
City
officers
the
opportunity
to
knock
it
into
shape.
Thank
you,
yeah.
So
I
don't
think
it
needs
to
be
perfect
at
committee
level,
but
we'll
give
councilor
toza
an
opportunity
to
just
walk
us
through
his
foreshadowed
motion
and
then
we'll.
B
O
B
A
A
A
L
H
O
A
A
On
the
one
that
councilor
Gates,
it's
been
working
on:
okay,
because
that
was
moved
by
Council,
Gates
and
seconded
by
myself.
So
my
sense
of
it
as
chair
is
that
we
have
a
report
that
has
some
redeemable
actionable
recommendations,
but
it
also
prompts
a
lot
of
worthwhile
questions
concerning
one
Club
specifically,
and
that
is
the
oxenford
Pony
Club
and
its
future,
whether
that
is
feasibly
alongside
the
narang
club
or
at
some
other
site.
Now.
A
What
counselor,
Gates
and
I
are
attempting
to
do
here
is
to
deal
with
the
complexity
of
the
oxenford
situation,
which
unfortunately
means
that
we
end
up
with
a
very
messy
motion
at
the
start.
But
what
the
motion
does
do
in
its
latter,
half
I'm
talking
about
part
six
specifically
is
allow
us
to
get
on
with
the
job
of
progressing
work
and
planning
for
the
telebudgera
Pony
Club,
the
Southport,
ponian
hack
club
and
its
place
in
that
Precinct
and
the
mudra
bar
Pony
and
hack
Club
as
a
foreshadowed,
but
not
in
the
procedural
sense.
A
This
is
messy
and
City
officers.
I've
asked
to
improve
the
form
of
the
words
so
that
we
can
capture
that
intent.
More
clearly
and
ensure
that
there
is
no
mistranslation
between
with
a
community
where
the
committee's
majority
view
is
and
what
actually
happens
on
the
ground.
My
sense
of
it
is
that
post
this
meeting.
A
If
this
motion
were
to
be
carried,
what
we'd
end
up
doing
is
going
back
to
the
city
officer
recommendation
deleting
part
2A,
2E
and
four,
which
deal
with
the
oxenford
situation
and
introduce
a
new
part,
which
is
would
be
a
better
synthesis
of
councilor
Gates's
hopes
and
desires
for
oxenford
I.
Think
that's
where
City
officers
will
land
and
hopefully
they'll
be
circulated
well
before
Council,
and
also
provided
to
the
mayor
just
to
make
sure
that
he
is
satiated.
But
nonetheless,
the
words
that
we
have
in
front
of
us
are
those
on
the
screen.
A
C
Thanks
very
much
chair,
it
was
really
I
have
to
say
the
officers
have
tried
to
work
as
best
they
could,
under
the
circumstances,
to
bring
forward
a
review
of
the
entire
situation
across
the
city.
But
until
I
read
the
consultant's
report.
I
had
an
open
and
persuadable
mind
about
where
we
might
land,
but
when
I
saw
the
condition
of
all
of
the
facilities
at
narang,
they're,
all
in
the
main,
they're,
very
poor
or
poor.
C
With
a
few
that
are
moderate,
there
are
no
indications
of
cost
to
bring
that
facility
up
to
par
and
there's,
certainly
not
an
indication
that
gives
me
assurance
that
it
can
even
happen
because
of
the
constraints
because
of
the
access
that
I
spoke
of
earlier
to
neighbors,
having
keys
and
unrestrained
access,
and
the
Consultants
report
reports
it
as
a
high
risk
situation
so
before
I
believe
any
one
of
us
could
support
merging
a
club
to
a
site
like
that.
We
need
some
estimate
of
costs.
C
We
need
some
idea
of
what
landscape
can
be
removed
because
there's
a
a
lot
of
vegetation
on
that
site
that
may
be
protected.
We
we
don't
have
the
detail
necessary,
in
my
view,
to
actually
support
the
co-location
of
two
clubs
on
the
one
side
and
what
is
more
disappointing
than
anything.
It's
true
that
there
has
been
a
1200
person
petition
already
collected.
C
It
was
not
my
understanding
and
I
apologize
if
I've
complicated
the
motion
today
with
that
information,
because
in
my
discussions
with
the
mayor,
you
know
the
mayor
who
thinks
anything
can
be
engineered
and
it's
a
big
parcel
of
land
and
it
could
have
accommodated
possibly
both
the
sporting
uses
and
and
the
Pony
Club.
There
was
also
a
little
section
of
the
land
that
was
caught.
Isolated
that
had
been
considered
might
be
possible,
so
I
think
in
looking
at
this,
the
oxenford
Pony
Club
is
50
years
old.
C
You
know
it's
part
of
our
history
that
we
have
Pony
clubs.
I
know
councilor
Belden
Lumsden
was
drawing
the
comparison
between
numbers
of
members
and
and
the
cost
of
providing,
but
it's
part
of
our
DNA
that
we
have
Pony
clubs
and-
and
we
haven't
been
helpful
to
the
the
oxenford
Pony
Club.
No,
we
moved
them
off
the
initial
site
that
was
working
quite
well
for
them
through
no
fault
of
their
own.
C
C
I
would
just
hate
to
support
a
recommendation
today
that,
and
neither
Club
really
has
been
thoroughly
consulted
in
whether
they
even
can
entertain
a
merger
or
if
a
merger
is
even
possible,
we
just
don't
know
so.
We
first
of
all
need
the
the
reports
on
what
can
happen
at
the
narang
site
before
anything
further
can
happen.
So
I
just
asked
councilors
to
support
me
today.
I
have
no
problem
with
proceeding
with
the
other
areas
of
interest
for
other
councilors,
because
they
too
are
doing
the
right
thing
by
their
Community
I.
C
H
Think
you,
cancer,
Foster,
look
I
I,
think
that's
a
nice
cancel
again
to
make
some
well-made
points
in
relation
to
her
passion
for
the
Oxford
party
club
and
coming
up
with
a
solution
that
suits.
But,
unfortunately
the
motion
before
us
doesn't
adequately
deal
with
that.
The
report
that
we
are
considering
here
today
talks
about
horse
sport
in
general
across
the
whole
city,
and
you
know,
members
at
talabadra
club
who
I
don't
look
after
I,
think
it
represents
about
125
members
and
Marge
about
Pony.
H
It's
been
clear
based
on
the
offices
comments
to
us
that
the
oxenford
party
club
themselves
have
written
to
us
understanding
that
the
limitations
of
the
Stuart
land
render
it
unsuitable
for
their
needs,
and
so
it
seems
strange
that
we
would
move
in
a
direction
of
reconsidering
that,
when
they've
visited
the
site
and
already
written
to
us
saying
that
three
is
absolutely
wedded
to
this
merger,
which
I
agree
with
cancer.
The
gates
points
I,
don't
think
necessarily.
We
should
merge
the
oxenford
and
meringue
painting
Club,
if
that's
not
suitable
to
both
of
them.
H
But
by
having
that
conversation
today,
I
think
we've
started
an
important
dialogue
about
whether
that
is
an
option
and
whether
or
not
we
note
that
they
merge
or
otherwise
you
know
they
may
start
having
conversations
about
that
and
it's
important.
So
the
reality
is
that
that
particular
that
particular
piece
really
talks
about
that
merger
in
the
kirkendale
park.
But
if
they're
not
going
to
merge,
we
probably
don't
need
to
undertake
that
work
at
this
time.
H
Four
again,
I
actually
think
is
essential
and
the
the
work
that
I
observed
Council
on
Jones
accounted
at
Gates
do
in
relation
to
that
broader
Precinct,
where
multiple
Community
groups
use
that
area.
I
think
that
for
I
can
support,
but
it's
really
the
only
it's
really.
The
only
motion
that
is
new
to
this
piece
that
I
can
support
and
I
think
it.
You
know
I
think
it
actually
should
form
part
of
a
better
decision-making
process.
H
Five
again
makes
no
sense
if
the
Oxford
Pony
Club
have
already
written
to
us
and
said
they
don't
want
to
be
at
Stewart
land
at
the
Stuart
land
because
of
the
the
the
parameters
around
the
side
and
the
the
challenges
on
that
site.
It
makes
no
sense
for
us
to
incorporate
five.
Six.
A
B
and
C
are
really
just
part
of
the
officer's
recommendation
and
the
foreshadowed
motion
that
I
posted
before
captures.
H
Frankly,
I
think
I.
Think
councilors
should
oppose
this
motion
and
I
think
we
should
come
up
with
a
better
way
to
move
forward
to
use
Council
of
horses
comments.
It
has
been
a
bit
of
a
you
know:
a
messy
process:
I,
don't
know
if
that's
exact
word
he
used,
but
he
was
unsatisfied
with
the
way
the
process
had
worked
and
I.
Think
the
foreshadowed
motion
actually
better
captures
a
deliberate
and
intentional
Way
Forward.
That
councilors
can
support
foreign.
A
Thank
you
very
much,
councilor
Tozer,
any
speakers
for
the
motion.
I'll
make
my
contribution.
Then,
while
it
has
been
a
messy
process,
I'm
actually
very
satisfied
with
the
process,
because
here
in
this
chamber
we
have
an
opportunity
to
temper
city
offices
recommendations.
And,
although
we
don't
author,
the
reports
ourselves,
we
do
have
the
ability
to
decide
what
words
appear
in
our
recommendations.
Now,
this
recommendation
is
an
ugly
one
because
medically
it's
ugly,
it's
you
know
spacing's
wrong.
The
words
aren't
quite
right.
It's
yellow!
A
I
absolutely
support
this
recommendation
and
I
do
so
because
it
reflects
the
fact
that
this
discussion
about
the
future
of
the
sport
here
in
the
Gold
Coast
began
with
the
discussion
about
the
future
of
the
oxenford
club
and
that
we
lose
nothing
in
carrying
this
motion
for
the
code
at
large
because
we
have
part
six,
but
what
it
does
is.
It
pays
tribute
to
the
fact
that
there
are
specific
historical
and
moral
responsibilities
that
we
have
to
the
oxenford
club.
A
I
fully
expect
that
city
offices,
if
this
is
carried,
will
work
on
a
cleaner
set
of
words
that
are
internally
consistent
and
capture
the
intent
of
the
committee
and
will
have
deference
to
the
views
of
the
mayor.
I
think
this
is
worth
supporting
because
it
reflects
the
work
of
the
committee
and
they're
very
happy
with
it
Council
Gates.
Would
you
like
to
close.
C
Just
very
briefly,
chairman
I,
don't
see
that
this
does
anything
to
hamper
the
future
of
the
other
clubs
or
the
work
that
the
officers
had
proposed.
There
hasn't
been
a
report
that
indicates
what
is
possible
for
the
cooma
Valley
Rural
fire
brigade,
as
well
as
the
Rotary
Club
of
coomera
Valley
for
its
storage.
C
It's
not
their
actual
sand
field,
that's
at
risk,
but
the
car
parking
area-
and
there
are
other
opportunities
I-
would
have
felt
for
that.
That
have
been
suggested
for
other
uses
in
the
past,
so
I'm
just
asking
for
support
for
a
club,
that's
50
years
old
that
is
loved
within
the
community
and
that
has
still
a
loan
for
its
whole
50-year
lifetime
and
I.
You
know
if
there
were
a
suitable
ground
that
we
knew
that
we
had
some
estimates
on
and
and
some
designs
and
possibilities.
C
A
K
No
I'm
so
I'm,
not
a
member
of
the
committee
but
I
I
would
be
interested
potentially
if
the
minutes
could
reflect
the
foreshadowed
motion
as
well.
So
I
appreciate
what
you've
said
in
regards
to
officers
working
up
some
additional
words,
but
I
think
that
if
we're
going
to
revisit
this
full
Council,
when
all
councilors
have
the
ability
to
to
chip
in
I
think
having
the
foreshadowed
motion
may
be
important,
so,
for
example,
so
so
I
think
from
memory.
The
last
item
talked
about
not
proceeding
with
the
merger
of
the
club,
yeah
yeah.
A
K
So
so,
and
do
you
mind
if
I
just
talk
briefly
just
in
regards
to
that
merger,
so
like
I
mean
whether
or
not
it's
The
Diamond
Sports
or
tennis
clubs
or
equestrian
clubs?
It's
really
difficult
for
the
city
to
actually
ask
or
Force
two
clubs
to
join
together,
but
what
the
city
does
is
we
provide
facilities
and
that
those
facilities
come
at
the
cost
of
rate
payers?