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A
It
gives
me
great
pleasure
to
open
up
the
816th
round
no
816
of
our
lifestyle
and
community
committee
councillor
castro
is
joining
us
today,
good
to
have
you
back
good
to
have
you
back.
We've
got
our
deputy
chair
councillor
rbl
still
can't
pronounce
your
name
fluently.
A
A
We
do
have
the
whole
directorate
here
councils.
We
have
a
number
of
items
today,
some
of
which
are
unstarred,
which
could
potentially
be
dealt
with
as
starred
items.
I
would
suggest
that
7.2
and
7.1
be
starred
unless
there
are
any
questions
on
those.
A
A
7.1
starred
and
7.2
start.
Is
that
correct
any
general
business
items
for
proposed
counsellors?
We
have
one
by
councillor
owen
jones,.
A
Put
that
down
as
potential
question
or
gbi
beautiful,
all
right
attendance
and
apologies
counselors
do
we
have
any
apologies?
No
don't
believe
so.
I've
not
received
any
any
leaves
of
absence.
No
confirmation
of
minutes.
Would
someone
like
to
move
that
out
minutes
counselor
gate
seconded
by
councillor
toza.
A
Any
speakers
against
no
happy
to
put
that
then
all
those
in
favor
all
those
against
that
is
carried
all
right,
counselors.
Any
conflict
of
interest
declarations
to
make
today
no
happy
days
we
can
move
along.
Then.
Would
someone
like
to
move
our
start
items
today?
Counselor
tozer.
Do
I
have
a
seconder
councillor
gates
councillors
I'll
put
that
to
a
vote
all
those
in
favor
all
those
against
that
is
carried.
A
We
now
move
to
item
6.2,
which
deals
with
the
diamond
sports
plan
bruce,
is
at
the
ready
it's
good
councillor.
Caldwell.
You
indicated,
I
think,
a
desire
to
ask
some
questions.
D
C
D
Through
chair,
it's
it's
a
guiding
document,
so
it
can
be
changed
anytime
anyway,
but
the
the
point
I
guess
to
this
stage
is
that
the
associations,
respectively,
softball
and
baseball,
have
indicated
based
on
their
viewing
of
it,
that
the
clubs
are
happy
with
it.
So
it
hasn't
been
seen
out
yet,
but
I
don't
expect
there
to
be
any
adverse.
D
A
So
cancer
caldwell-
I
propose
starring
the
item
today,
not
because
I
necessarily
support
the
recommendations,
but
what
I
personally
wanted
to
do
for
my
community
was
to
take
a
copy
of
the
report
and
provide
it
to
my
local
club,
so
they
could
be
very
familiar
with
its
contents
and
provide
me
with
the
guidance
I
might
need
at
full
council
to
either
support
the
committee
recommendation
or
perhaps
to
argue
for
change.
But
I
didn't
want
to
personally
prejudice
that.
But
I've
got
very
similar
reservations.
C
Yeah
thanks
mr
chair.
I
might
do
something
similar
only
because
I
just
want
to
make
sure
we
close
the
loop
on
what
has
been
a
very
consultative
process,
so
I
think
we
just.
I
might
just
take
that
opportunity
as
well.
If
that's
all
right,
counselor.
A
Tells
us
just
before
we
come
to
you
a
director.
Would
it
be
possible
to
get
a
pdf
version
of
that
item?
That
report
only
and
circulated
to
perhaps
all
committee
members
today
and
to
those
councils
who
are
not
committee
members
but
have
clubs,
and
then
I
think
it's
incumbent
on
us.
If
we
want
to
work
with
our
clubs
to
put
that
under
their
noses
and
then
we
can
be
sure
that
that's
been
done
between
now
and
full
council
councillor
toza
and
I'm
not
providing
you
direction
by
the
way.
F
Councillor
toza
page
36
talks
about
the
size
of
each
club
and
its
growth
since
2012..
F
My
question
relates
to
whether
this
information
is
provided
by
the
clubs
themselves
or
whether
it's
by
the
like
membership
of
a
peak
body.
D
Through
your
chair,
the
information
in
the
report
comes
directly
from
the
registration
figures
at
baseball,
queensland
right
so
they're.
The
figures
we're
based
on
those
figures
do
vary
slightly
to
what
the
clubs
have
provided,
but
the
explanation
provided
given
for
that
was
that
they
have
winter
and
and
summer
competitions
for
their
seniors,
and
some
people
have
been
counted
twice
in
the
club
figures.
F
Right,
I
think
in
knowing
mudrabar
pretty
well,
they've
obviously
got
t-ball
programs
and
they've
got
entry-level
programs.
Where
I
don't
imagine,
every
parent
would
necessarily
make
sure
their
child
was
a
member
of
baseball,
queensland's,
peak
body,
and
so
I'm
just
so.
Do
we
have
the
data
from
clubs
or
do
we
only
have
the
peak
bodies
or
baseball
queenslands
membership
through.
D
Chair
we
have
both
right,
but
the
registration
figures
that
go
in
are
for
t-ball,
juniors,
seniors.
F
D
F
So
I
mean
when
I'm
I'm
a
member
of
gold
coast
basketball
and
I
pay
a
fee
to
the
local
club,
but
there's
also
a
portion
of
that
fee.
That
is
like
some
affiliation
fee
with
basketball
queensland.
F
Is
that
the
same
model
with
baseball,
yes
very
similar?
And
then,
if
the
club
chooses
to
engage
in
programming
with,
let's
say
juniors
in
in
my
area,
we've
got
lots
of
primary
schools
and
they
run
programs
like
that
where
there
is
just
like
kind
of
a
loose
connection
to
the
club,
as
opposed,
maybe
not
to
baseball
queensland.
Is
that
incorporated
into
our
planning
or
understanding
through
a
chair.
They
would
not
be
in
the
figures.
No
okay
cool
all.
A
Right
so
council
ties.
I
think
some
of
my
concern
over
a
number
of
years
on
our
approach
to
baseball
is
that,
for
example,
rabina
is
now
the
city's
third
largest
club
yeah
right.
A
A
Well,
I
should
put
a
big
asterisk
on
there
and
say
when
we
had
international
students,
obviously,
for
the
last
two
years,
they've
been
thin
on
the
ground,
but
that's
the
third
largest
club
and
they
don't
have
a
toilet
and
they
really
don't
have
change
rooms.
So,
in
a
lot
of
ways,
I
think
the
the
figures
are
what
the
figures
are
they're
our
best
approximation,
but
they're
very
fuzzy,
and
they
probably
don't
have
much
regard
or
they
don't
reflect.
What
numbers
could
be
if
we
had
good
infrastructure
in
place?
A
That's
why
I've
been
keen
to
go
through
this
process
make
sure
that
we've
captured
the
aspirations
of
our
clubs
and
understand
where
the
pinch
points
are
with
membership,
because
it
could
be
a
low
membership
sport,
but
maybe
that's
because
we
don't
have
the
infrastructure
there
in
the
same
way
we
do
for
qriket
or
for
soccer,
for
example.
So
I
I've
more
looked
at
this
sport
from
an
aspirational
perspective
rather
than
a
currency
perspective.
Council-
young.
F
All
right,
I
had
one
other
question
that
related
to
the
use
of
our
facilities
by
so
in
major
bar
on
a
relatively
regular
basis,
because
it's
a
lit
field.
We
have
brisbane
sides
that
come
down
and
play
they
don't
they're,
not
it's
not
the
local
club
playing
in
mudrabar
and
I'm
I'm
not
across
everything
that
happens
in
baseball.
But
my
understanding
is
there's
a
both
an
economic
impact
but
there's
also
a
club
impact
on
that.
That's
actually
a
really
good
generator.
To
what
extent
does
the
plan
address
that
sort
of
activity.
D
Through
chair
mudra
bar
teams
play
in
a
brisbane
competition.
That's
why
brisbane
teams
visit
the
site.
F
Again,
my
observation
is
that
sometimes
at
madrubar
there
are
two
clubs
playing
that
are
not
mudra
bar
and
there's.
There's
an
economic
impact
on
that,
and
there's
also
a
club
growth
impact
on
that.
Even
though
a
much
about
club
isn't
playing
on
that
day,
is
that
something
we
are
targeting
as
part
of
the
plan?
F
D
A
So
before
I
come
to
council
young
just
on
that
counsellor,
for
me,
baseball
is
a
massive
economic
opportunity,
because
the
sport
is
just
so
very
popular
in
key
destinations
where
we
hope
to
attract
international
students.
I
agree
taiwanese
korea,
japan,
even
the
united
states.
A
They
they're
baseball
mad
to
the
extent
that
a
a
japanese
national
who's,
a
gold
coast
resident,
we
might
be
from
brisbane
he
recently
invested
in
robina
state
high,
I
think
about
four
hundred
thousand
dollars,
building
a
brand
new
baseball
diamond
for
them,
because
that's
how
strong
the
links
are
internationally
through
the
sport
to
the
gold
coast,
so
that
that's
that's
such
a
great
opportunity
to
support
the
sport,
that's
bringing
in
international
students,
but
what's
really
encouraging.
I
think
you'd
agree
with
the
rubina
state.
A
High
sports
academy
is
that
a
lot
of
gold
coast
kids
playing
baseball
here
have
gone
on
to
get
us
college
scholarships
free
rides.
So
I
think
the
the
link
between
education
and
baseball
is
definitely
there.
It's
got
an
economic
complexion
to
it,
but
I
think
this
plan
really
focuses
more
on
the
grassroots
sport
rather
than
the
economic
case,
and
that's
something
I'm
keen
to
see
addressed
in
the
infrastructure
plan.
G
Thanks
chair
and
either
to
yourself
or
through
to
the
director,
I
just
note
in
the
report
there
and
I
think
it's
like
three
or
four
of
them-
have
no
field
lighting
and
and
the
they're
surrounded
by
residential
development
and
have
had
a
history
of
objections
from
residents
so
in
and
one
of
those
being
surfaced
so
being
nominated
as
that
central
hub.
How
we're
going
to
address
that?
Because
that's
not
going
to
change
we're
not
going
to
change
the
residential
use
within
the
area.
G
D
Through
chair,
the
council's
comment
is
is
noted
that
has
been
discussed
with
the
surface
paradise
club
as
well
as
the
association
they
are
currently
looking
at
the
feasibility
of
putting
an
application
for
their
second
diamond,
which
is
further
away
from
the
residential
development
which
may
resolve
the
issue
of
lighting
at
that
particular
site.
A
D
G
And
back
through
yourself
to
bruce
is
that
in.
Are
we
better
to
be
looking
at
what
the
impact
is
going
to
be
before
we
actually
start
planning
for
second
diamonds,
and
things
like
that,
because
the
lighting
thing
is
what
I've
noticed
with
a
couple
of
my
clubs
is
a
big
issue
at
times
so
and
knowing
the
cost
of
lighting
is
you
know
going
forward?
G
We
need
to
know
that,
and
especially
as
council
of
worcester
said,
if
we're
going
to
look
at
international
attendance
at
these
lighting
is
going
to
be
a
big
thing.
So
for
me,
I
think
that
would
be
something
that
needs
to
be
looked
at
fairly
soon,
rather
than
increasing
these
wonderful
facilities
and
investing
a
lot
of
ratepayers
money
into
them
to
be
fine.
To
find
that
we
can't
light
them.
D
Through
chair,
I
totally
agree-
and
that
was
one
of
the
chief
reasons
why
this
plan
was
brought
about
in
the
first
place,
was
to
look
exactly
at
that.
We
had
a
mere
two
years
ago.
Seven
baseball
clubs
coming
at
us
concurrently
through
the
councillors
all
to
counsel
directly
for
infrastructure
improvements,
but
to
all
get
to
the
same
level.
What
this
process
has
achieved
is
baseball
coming
to
the
conclusion
that
they
they
do
have
underutilized
facilities.
D
They
do
have
constraints
over
existing
sites
and
they've
come
up
with
a
new
model,
and
it's
it's
in
the
plan
suggested
a
three
hub
north
central
south
to
transition
to
over
the
next
three
to
five
years
and
also
the
longer
term
goal
of
perhaps
a
facility
in
the
north.
Now
a
facility
in
the
north,
whereas
there's
there's
reasons
for
that,
maybe
not
now,
given
the
participation
that
exists
in
the
sport,
but
as
council
of
australia
alluded
to
the
economic
benefits
of
a
facility
where
we
could
invest
in
in
the
future.
D
We've
got
there's
nothing
north
of
kumar
at
the
present
time,
and
we've
got
a
large
population
growth
project
projections
north
to
the
to
logan
and
east
and
west
of
the
m1,
and
sites
like
cuba
won't
be
able
to
handle
that
increased
population.
So
whereas
it's
not
a
consideration
right
here
right
now,
it's
certainly
there's
certainly
reasons
to
look
at
potential
sites
or
rationalize
rationalization
of
sites
centralization
of
sites
into
the
future,
and
none
of
that's
been
left
out
of
the
plan.
It's
very
generic.
D
It
doesn't
have
specific
details
with
the
exception
of
things
that
are
underway.
At
the
present
time,
you've
got
the
first
part
master
plan.
You've
got
the
robina
common
improvement
plan,
but
outside
that,
it's
it's
very
generic
in
the
context,
but
we're
no
longer
in
a
position
and
baseball
has
recognized.
They
don't
need
to
improve
or
develop
each
site
to
the
optimal
level.
G
Yeah
thanks
councillor
worst
and-
and
that
brings
me
to
the
other
thing
that
I
was
going
to
ask
like,
for
example,
and
sorry
through
the
chair
through
to
bruce,
is-
I
can
remember
similar
conversations
when
I
first
became
a
counselor
about
hockey,
because
hockey
was
in
the
southern
gold
coast,
central
all
that
we
went
through
our
commonwealth
games
and
now
we've
got.
You
know
world-class
hockey
facility
there,
but
we
haven't
provided
lots
of
little
pockets
around
the
city.
For
that
again,
the
same
thing's
happening
with
netball
we've
got
at
mellow.
G
Surfaces
but
there's
no
games
or
anything
played
there.
I
think
the
direction
it
appears
to
be
the
direction
we're
heading
is
to
have
these
big
hubs
going
forward.
So
I
just
wonder
with
you
know:
seven
smaller
hubs
identified
there
I'll
be
better
to
be
looking
at
your
northern
southern
and
central
and
have
really
good
sites
because
there's
with
seven
sites,
there
is
it's
something
that
they
can
be
yeah
looked
at
together,
yeah
value
for
money
to
have
really
good
sites.
Yeah.
A
So,
council,
young,
before
british
response,
one
of
the
encouraging
things
that
have
come
out
of
my
discussions
with
my
local
baseball
club,
who
have
reflected
on
what's
happened
at
rubina
state
high,
is
that
there
is
a
way
of
configuring,
a
training
grade
diamond
where
you
actually
get
two
bites
at
the
cherry,
because
you
don't
necessarily
need
the
fencing
in
the
outfield
and
that
can
be
effectively
bumped
in
so
when
the
field's
not
being
used
by
the
spoiler
baseball.
A
A
As
well,
so
you
can
get
reasonably
good
dual
purpose
outcomes
as
well,
so
that
I
think
there's
certainly
a
case
to
be
made
for
better,
better
use
of
these
pockets.
Yes,.
B
Councilwoman
jones-
I
just
want
to
thank
bruce
for
the
work
on
this.
It's
it's
always
difficult
and
I
think
that
the
kermer
cubs
is
probably
one
of
those
clubs
that
has
provided
that
pressure
of.
Can
we
spend
more
capital
doing
something.
B
So
in
the
last
couple
of
years,
we've
built
a
new
clubhouse,
which
is
which
is
provides
all
the
amenity
that
you
you
were
lacking
at
rabina,
but
they've
got
a
never-ending
quest
to
spend
money
on
the
site,
and
so
I
think,
getting
up
and
looking
to
see
what
it
means
for
the
whole
of
the
city
actually
does
make
sense,
because
otherwise
they'll
forever
be
asking
for
the
four
hundred
thousand
dollars
worth
of
likes
or
the
grandstands
or
this,
and
that
so
so.
B
I
think
that
it's
a
body
of
work
that
needed
to
be
done.
But
when
we
had
the
workshop,
I
wasn't
able
to
attend
because
it
clashed
with
a
committee.
So
having
the
benefit
of
being
able
to
go
and
talk
to
the
president
of
the
club
between
now
and
council
definitely
will
help.
A
By
the
way,
best
ever
simpsons
episode,
homer
and
the
bat
homer
and
the
bat
yes
homer
and
the
bat
season
two
when
he
plays
for
the
springfield
isotopes
and
then
burns
brings
in
all
these
ringers
yep
definitely
worth
watching.
So
that's
moved
by
councillor
tozer.
Do
I
have
a
seconder
councillor,
o'neill
councils,
any
speakers
against
no
I'll
put
that
to
a
vote,
all
those
in
favor
all
those
against
that
is
carried
and
directed
just
a
gentle
reminder
around
a
pdf
copy
of
the
report
and
thanks
bruce
for
your
contribution,
mate,
wonderful,
all
right
councils.
A
We
now
deal
with
the
oxenford
pony
club
relocation.
Councillor
gates,
you
foreshadowed
a
changed
recommendation.
H
Yes,
I
have
thank
you,
chairman
and
and
just
to
speak
briefly
to
it.
The
minute
section.
H
H
Number
two:
it's
wrong
way
around
ali.
If
you
can
fix
it,
your
number
two
should
say
by
2024.
H
By
2024
and
yes,
three.
H
B
H
A
H
I'm
hopeful
that
the
officers
can
accept
that
this
change
has
been
made
because
of
the
problems
that
the
oxford
pony
club
has
with
erosion
and
they
lost
another
eight
meters
of
their
land
in
the
latest
weather
event,
and
so
it
it
actually
suggests
killing
two
birds
with
one
stone,
because
we
also
need
to
relocate
the
oxenf
men's
shed,
who
have
been
promised
a
building
over
some
time
by
both
the
mayor
and
with
the
support
of
the
divisional
councillor
and
the
issues
associated
with
their
site
continue
and
their.
H
This
is
an
opportunity
for
them
to
have
a
home,
that's
suitable
to
their
needs
without
council
spending,
a
million
dollars
on
a
men's
shed.
So
the
fact
is
that
there
is
land
available
that
has
been
identified
as
being
suitable
to
the
pony.
Club's
needs
at
enclan
farm,
and
I
know
that
the
report
suggested
relocation
by
2025
at
the
expiration
of
the
lease,
but
it's
probably
just
slightly
more
urgent
than
that,
which
is
the
motivation
for
the
change
today.
H
As
far
as
the
kumara
valley
rotary
club,
which
is
the
item
six
of
the
recommendation,
they
have
received
35
000
in
grant
funding,
which
they've
already
had
a
couple
of
extensions
of
time
on,
because
they've
not
been
able
to
find
a
location
for
a
storage
facility,
the
charlie's
crossing
site.
If
the
pony
club
agrees
to
it
would
be
ideal
because
it's
completely
screened,
it
would
not
need
to
be
visible
from
any
point
on
the
site
at
a
location
that
could
be
identified
behind
the
existing
infrastructure.
So
this
deals
with
three
issues
in
the
one
hit.
A
C
I
just
want
to
mention
that
I
was
in
a
meeting
yesterday
where
one
of
the
takeouts
from
the
brisbane
floods
was
the
surprising
amount
of
shipping
containers
that
made
their
way
down
the
floodplain
and
did
an
extraordinary
amount
of
damage
to
their
city
assets,
and
I
just
thought
it
might
be
worthwhile
that
we
particularly
take
note
of
that
that,
if,
if
it
is,
I
don't
know
what
they
had
in
mind,
but
in
we
they.
C
Yeah
and
that's
good,
I
just
thought
it
was
worthwhile
mentioning
because
my
comment
to
that
was
well.
As
a
general
rule,
we
really
try
not
to
support
shipping
containers
being
used
on
council
lease
areas
anyway,
but
just
in
this
kind
of
site,
for
example,
it's
very
important
that
we
know
the
potential
flood
damage
that
can
be
caused.
So
if
we
can
make
sure
that's
covered
off,
I
think
it'd
be
good.
B
Councilwoman
jones,
if
I
could
speak
to
it,
thank
you
chair
having
previously
represented
this
area.
B
One
of
the
important
things
to
note
is
that
the
erosion
of
the
of
that
bank
isn't
anywhere
near
any
existing
houses,
so
there
so
on
page
60,
you
can
actually
see
the
the
houses
is
quite
some
distance.
B
The
erosion
that's
happened
has
happened
over
the
last
60
years
and
it's
largely
caused
because
of
the
changes
to
the
river
from
the
mining
off
sand
and
rock
downstream,
and
that's
stopped
and
at
some
point
in
time
it
will
sort
itself
out,
but
the
idea
of
spending
over
five
million
dollars
to
armor
the
northern
side
of
the
kumar
river
is
the
the
challenge
that
we
have
is
that
we
don't
know
what,
in
what
impact
that
may
have
on
the
southern
side,
which
is
where
the
main
road
for
the
mauson
road
is.
B
So
it's
quite
complicated.
I'm
no
engineer,
but
I
think
that
the
only
way
the
only
way
we
can
stop
nature
would
be
an
incredibly
expensive
exercise
of
armouring
and-
and
I
think
that
what
will
happen
will
continue
to
happen
on
that
edge
of
the
edge
of
the
bank.
But
I
think
it's
really
important
that
the
residents
in
that
estate
know
that
their
houses
aren't
at
risk
of
erosion,
and
I
think
that
it's
important
that
we
provide
an
outcome
for
the
pony
club
because
they
have
been.
B
B
Given
the
fact
that
the
report
talks
of
some
seven
odd
million
dollars,
so
I
reckon
that
it
certainly
is
like
I
mean
I
don't
think
anybody
gets
any
joy
in
the
fact
that
a
park
is
being
partly
eroded
that
it's,
it's
clearly
an
issue
that,
when
the
john
months
bridge
stop
well,
when
the
john
months
causeway
was
removed
and
replaced
by
not
one
but
two
john
months,
bridges
that
effectively
accelerated
the
the
water
in
storm
events-
and
it's
just
sucking
the
edge
of
the
bank
away.
B
B
I
Chair
just
to
pick
up
on
a
comment
you
made
about
value
for
money.
For
me
point
three
in
this
recommendation
talks
a
lot
to
that.
That's
similar
to
what
we
just
discussed
in
the
report
about
the
diamond
sport
plan,
that
a
similar
kind
of
report
and
similar
kind
of
plan
for
equestrian
is
needed
because,
while
we
won't
have
to
spend
the
money
on
armouring
charlie's
creek,
there
was
a
significant
amount
of
money
spent
buying
equipment
farm
in
the
first
place
and
making
sure
it
gets
high
utilization,
which
only
having
one
club
go.
I
There
won't
achieve.
So
we'll
see
what
point
three
comes
from,
and
hopefully
that
would
lead
to
that
value
for
money,
proposition
occurring,
yeah.
A
H
Gold
coast,
so
there's
certainly
no
intent
for
it
to
simply
be
the
site
for
equestrian
and
the
oxenford
pony
club,
but
for
multiple
uses.
It's
quite
flood
affected
in
some
places
too,
but
I'm
sure
that
the
officers
will
come
up
with
a
great
plan,
and
I
was
going
to
mention
that
this.
The
whole
report
is
much
more
than
just
the
oxenford
pony
club
relocation.
H
It
is
about
equestrian
and
the
13
clubs
that
we
do
have
on
the
gold
coast
and
the
need
for
them
after
being
displaced
so
many
years
ago,
and
our
hunt
for
a
site.
So
I'm
sure
that
the
planning
work
that
will
evolve
will
make
sure
that
a
lot
of
the
clubs
across
the
city
are
catered
for,
both
in
equestrian
and
other
other
sports
as
well.
C
A
A
F
Question
so
my
question
is:
actually
I've
been
engaging
with
the
team
in
relation
to
the
the
national
federal
deer
program,
and
I
wanted
to
be
assured
that
there's
nothing
in
our
in
our
plan
here
or
the
biosecurity
plan
we
put
here
that
prevents
us
from
engaging
with
other
third
parties
in
order
to
to
deal
with
pests
outside
city
land
or
enabling
residents
to
to
to
manage
their
own
obligations
under
the
borough.
Security
act.
F
So
part
two
of
my
question
actually
relates
to
the
european
fox,
which
is
identified
in
the
prevention
and
control
of
invasive
plants
and
animals,
and
it
identifies
a
number
of
suburbs
where
we're
dealing
with
foxes.
F
I'm
talking
on
page
10
of
11
in
the
report,
which
is
page
111
of
the
agenda,
and
it
identifies
only
only
a
few
suburbs
where
we're
controlling
european
foxes
and
I'm
a
bit
skeptical
that
the
foxes
will
read.
The
report.
F
A
J
Through
the
chair
and
apologies,
yeah
foxes,
don't
read
reports
but
like
like
lucky
the
council
lucky
the
councillors
do.
J
So
it's
a
resourcing
dilemma
council's
resource
with
four
pest
animal
staff,
we're
managing
16,
000
hectares
of
natural
areas
for
pest
animals
and
we're
also
given
a
responsibility
under
the
biosecurity
act
to
manage
those
or
ensure
land
holders
outside
of
council
land
or
manage
pest
animals.
So
we've
made
a
decision
based
on
the
risk
that
foxes
pose
to
koalas
you'll,
see
from
our
previous
program.
A
Yeah,
so
I
think
thanks
to
that
contribution-
and
maybe
it
was
all
by
pure
accident,
but
but
I
think
that
that's
a
worthwhile
conversation
for
us
to
be
having
during
budget
around
resourcing,
because
it's
one
thing
to
have
a
plan,
but
the
rubber
has
to
meet
the
road
as
well
counselor.
So.
F
F
J
J
F
I
I
suppose,
I'm
conscious
that
you
know
that
that's
what
came
to
mind.
The
reality
is
that
most
of
our
agricultural
land
holders,
who
are
the
the
most
significant
economic
impact
from
foxes,
are
further
west,
and
I
know
that
there
are
a
lot
in
the
suburbs
of
you
know.
F
Perhaps
taliban
valley
there's
some
agricultural
land
holders
there,
but
I
think
we
as
a
city
need
to
make
sure
that
we're
not
just
addressing
foxes
as
a
a
pest
for
my
pet
chicken,
but
actually,
for
you,
know,
attacking
baby
lambs
out
in
sheep
grazing
areas
in
the
back
of
gilston.
F
The
point
I'm
trying
to
make
is
that
making
sure
that
our
that
our
proactive
programs
are
actually
addressing
the
impact
on
agricultural
land
holders
are
more
important
than
us,
preventing
sad
kids
losing
a
chicken
in
the
backyard.
That's
that's.
That
should
be
what
our
we
should
be
focused
on
that
as
well.
So
I'm
conscious
that
we
appear
to
be
doing
that
and
that's
great
so
we'll
rotate
it
as
it
happens.
F
F
J
In
this
combination
of
proactive
and
reactive
programs
yep,
we
have
proactive
programs
for
specific
species
where
we
will
target
no
one
or
properties
known
to
previously
have
or
adjoining
owners
that
are
likely
to
have
that
pest
species.
Yeah
we'll
also
undertake,
I
guess
broader
surveys
like
an
aerial
survey
for
groundswell,
bush
and
waterweeds.
F
Am
I
reading
that
correct,
because
the
idea
of
just
seeing
where
the
ground
sill
is
or
seeing
where
all
the
giant
rat
style
grass
is
or
seeing
where
the
giant
devil's
fig
is
it's
all
very
good?
But
unless
we're
actually
seen
to
be
doing
something
about
it,
some
people
from
the
community
might
think
we're
just
wasting
our
time.
J
F
J
Through
the
chair,
we
have
to
make
hard
decisions
on
where
we
do.
The
work
we
can't
eradicate
things
eradicate
is
a
very
difficult
thing
to
achieve.
We
know
that
from
whether
you're
trying
to
get
nut
grass
out
of
your
lawn
or
whether
you're
actually
trying
to
remove
foxes
from
a
conservation
park,
so
we
have
to
make
really
hard
decisions
about
where
those
resources
are
spent
to
achieve
the
best
outcomes
for
the
city,
and
I
think
we
do
that
very
well.
Through
the
biosecurity
plan
and
the
prioritization
that
we've
set
aside
there
so.
A
Council
teresa,
I
don't
want
to
put
city
officers
in
a
difficult
position.
No,
no
and
I'd
probably
say
that
question
may
strain
to
our
budget
deliberations
as
I
kind
of
foreshadowed.
A
F
F
A
F
F
F
A
E
So
through
the
chair,
I'm
what
I'm
planning
on
doing
before
budget
is
giving
a
bit
of
an
overview
on
regulation
generally
in
terms
of
the
funding,
because,
obviously,
whether
it's
biosecurity,
whether
it's
the
animal
management
in
terms
of
the
fines
there,
whether
it's
parking,
whether
it's
local
laws,
there's
obviously
a
prioritization.
It's
the
feedback
I
get
the
most
this
year
in
terms
of
you
know.
Why
aren't
the
local
law
offices
up
here
or
down
there?
Where
aren't
the
pslo's
up
here
or
down
there?
E
And
I
mean
I
mean
in
a
good
way
like
it's
in
we
always
prioritizing.
So
it
would
be
good
to
show
you
what
we've
got
across
the
board
and
how
we
prioritize
that
before
budget,
I
don't
think
we're
probably
going
to
move
many
mountains
in
budget
in
terms
of
that
regulation
money,
but
I'd
at
least
show
you
the
kind
of
resources
we've
got
to
cover
the
city
before
budget
anyway,
yeah.
F
My
point
is
that
in
open
session,
the
public
are
going
to
be
able
to
read
the
work
on
the
surveillance
and
the
work
on
action.
They're
going
to
see
that
difference
and
they
are
expecting
an
area
like
mine,
which
is
the
largest
land
mass
amongst
divisions,
to
say
well,
help
me
understand,
glenn
what
you're
doing
counselor
toaster.
What
are
you
doing
to
actually
bridge
the
gap
between
the
weeds
that
you're
looking
at
and
the
weeds
that
you're
actually
eradicating?
F
A
Not
trying
to
it's
a
good
move,
as
I
said
counselor,
I'm
I'm
very
eager
to
get
an
answer
to
that
question.
I
just
didn't
want
to
prejudice
our
budget
deliberations,
so
I
thought
at
this
early
point.
If
there
was
an
answer
we
could
hear
an
enclosed,
yep
and
then
interrogate
interrogated
during
budget,
because
I'm
all
for
surveillance
on
notice
through.
A
That
would
be
great
yeah
council
o'neil.
K
Thanks
chair
and
yeah
just
a
couple
of
points
that
councillor
toza
made
the
eradication
of
say,
for
instance,
devil's
fig.
I
mean
the
extent
of
devil's
fig
in
in
tel
budra
valley,
for
instance,
and
I
know
you've
done
some
specific
work
out
there,
but
it
it
is.
It's
huge.
I
mean
it's
it's
you
know
how
long's
a
piece
of
string.
That's
really
the
thing.
So
I
appreciate
what
you're
saying
you
do
have
to
prioritize
my
questions.
You
touched
on
it
a
little
bit
council
toast
about
feral
deer.
K
J
J
Through
the
chair,
I'd
have
to
take
that
on
notice.
I
don't
have
that
information
at
hand
right
now.
F
F
I
believe
that
the
council
officers
are
doing
everything
in
their
power
to
manage
federal
deer
issues
on
council
land,
but,
like
I'd
alluded
to
with
the
european
fox.
Unfortunately,
the
deer
aren't
reading
the
reports
and
they're
they're
progressing
they're
moving
between
private
land
and
public
land,
and
one
way
for
us
to
work
more
collaboratively
is
to
help
private
property
owners
and
I've
posed
to
a
number
of
hinterland
councillors.
A
local
area
works
funded
program
in
partnership
with
the
federal
government
to
help
deal
with
feral
deer
awareness,
they're,
not
bambi-like
creatures.
F
They
are
a
significant
risk
to
vehicle
strikes
and
they're,
a
significant
environmental
risk
and
it's
worth
a
shot.
It
is
death.
Yes,
councillor
foster,
so
I
I
haven't
excluded
any
councillors
intentionally,
but
I
have
circulated
a
request
for
local
rox
funded
program
in
consultation
with
officers
for
next
year,
which
is
being
considered
by
some
councillors.
F
A
A
A
A
So
I
just
want
to
thank
city
officers
for
that
and
also
want
to
thank
them
for
the
very
scientific
and
evidence-based
approach
that
they
take
and
their
risk-based
approach
to
carrying
out
their
duties,
because
they've
got
to
make
the
best
use
of
scarce
resources
and
they're
good
custodians
of
ratepay
and
money,
so
director
3u
to
all
city
officers
involved
in
that
team.
I
just
want
to
underscore
that
point.
A
Okay,
so
you're
gonna,
it's
like
a
cut
before
the
horse
thing.
Okay,
thanks
again
for
answering
that
so
so.
For
example,
I've
got
a
number
of
private
water
bodies
in
rabina
that
look
like
public
lakes
and
they're
full
filled
with
sylvania
right.
The
private
landowner
has
got
an
obligation
to
address
their
biosecurity
obligations,
their
gbo's
under
the
act.
G
The
chair,
I
think
cr,
would
be
the
best
for
a
specific
situation
like
that.
This
resolution
here
today
is
about
giving
city
officers
those
entry
powers
to
to
go
on
to
private
land,
which
we
wouldn't
otherwise
have,
but
if
you've
got
a
specific
concern
that
you
want
to
raise
with
a
particular
private
body
of
you
know
water,
as
you
just
outlined
yeah
through
that
process,
we
can
all
through
other,
you
know
and
engage,
but
we
can
certainly
look
at
surveillance.
So.
A
My
understanding
of
the
section,
because,
based
on
your
response
there,
a
surveillance
program
is
tied
to
a
particular
biosecurity
risk,
rather
than
a
specific
incidence
or
case.
If
it's
a
specific
case,
we
raise
a
cr
to
take
advantage
of
an
existing
surveillance
program
to
manage
a
risk
about
a
specific
invasive
pest
yeah,
okay,
great
sj
council.
L
Thanks
to
two
questions
on
the
surveillance,
so
how
does
the
surveillance
influence
our
programs
in
terms
of
what
was
listed
before
and
the
suburbs
that
were
excluded
as
councillor
toza
mentioned?
If
we
have
areas
that
we
do
survey
like
the
arundel
king
of
our
wetlands,
we
have
wildlife
cameras
through
there.
If
there's,
they
record
more
instances
of
feral
animals.
How
are
they
then
incorporated
into
the
program.
J
Through
the
chair
so
separate
to
so,
the
programs
are
for
private
land
for
allow
us
to
enter
private
land.
The
programs
that
we
undertake
on
public
land
or
council
managed
lands
are
continuing,
so
they're
on
a.
I
think.
It's
like
a
three
three
three
month
four
month,
roster
of
looking
at
those
images
seeing
where
the
pests
are
and
then
implementing
controls
as
required.
J
L
And
finally,
I
guess
just
following
on
from
the
chat
following
on
from
the
memo
that
counselor
toes
asked
for
and
I
guess
the
budget
requests
will
that
also
include
maybe
shortfalls
or
ways
we
can
improve
service
in
those
public
land
areas,
because
I
think
it
is
a
great
service.
The
city
does-
and
I
do
appreciate
that
it
is
under
under-resourced.
E
A
B
Or
tried
to
go
on
the
swing,
so
I
don't
know
whether
or
not
other
councillors
have
had
the
issue.
But
some
of
the
swing
settings
are
quite
high
and
can
be
difficult
for
young
people
to
reach
the
swings
and
also
difficult
for
acting
mayors
to
reach
the
swings,
and
my
understanding
is
that
there's
an
australian
standard
which
is
400
mil
of
sweep
and
we
have
all
of
our
swings
set
at
550
and
I'm
just
interested
in
how
we've
arrived
there,
because
it's
we've
had
numerous
complaints
in
regards
to
it.
A
I
Yeah
through
the
chair,
that's
correct:
there's
no
maximum
standard,
just
a
minimum
standard,
so
it's
minimum
of
400
what
our
city
officers
try
and
do
to
alleviate
the
sagging
of
the
swings
over
time
that
they
set
them
a
bit
higher
than
400
so
around
that
500
550
millimeters.
Also,
sometimes
those
swings
depending
on
what
the
soft
fork
material
is,
can
be
made
up
of
takura
bark.
So
often
the
kids
like
kicking
away
the
the
soft
fall,
which
means
that
the
the
actual
height
of
the
swing
may
seem
higher.
I
A
B
I'm
happy
to
identify
identify
them
in
our
parks,
but,
like
I
mean
I
could
assume
that
if
we
have
the
problem
in
the
north,
it's
probably
everywhere
so
so.
We've
got
one
park
in
particular
at
airline
eileen
in
montreal's
drive,
which
is
quite
high
and
we've
had
a
resident
complain
several
times
in
that
regard.
So
we've
had
it
lowered,
but
I
just
I
appreciate
the
softball
answer
but,
like
I
just
don't
know
how,
as
swing
sags.
A
So
direct
again
without
providing
you
direction
whatsoever,
but
merely
seeking
some
information
or
advice.
Would
you
be
perhaps
at
the
same
time
that
you
circulate
that
other
memo
invite
councillors
to
nominate
particular
parks
where
we
might
have
an
issue
with
higher
swings
and
perhaps
invite
city
officers
to
review
the
height
of
those
swings?
Because
we
want
to
look
after
our
swing
voters.
A
E
So
so
I
think
what
we're
trying
to
do
is
not
have
them
all
at
400.
So
if
there's
an
issue
that
they're
going
lower
than
this
standard,
then
we
have
to
then
continually
maintain
them.
We're
happy
to
lower
the
ones
that
are
too
high,
but
we
want
to
be
a
bit
mindful
that
we
don't
do
that
to
all
of
them
or
we're
going
to
have
a
huge
maintenance
issue
in
our
hands.
Yep.
H
Excuse
me
chairman,
I
I
did
issue
a
cr
just
earlier
in
the
month
actually
or
last
month,
because
I
had
difficulty
getting
on
a
swing
in
the
playground.
Just
when
I
was
doing
an
inspection
of
the
park,
so
I
asked
my
officers
to
take
a
photo
so
that
I
could
get
a
response
and
I
got
exactly
the
response
that's
been
given
today,
but
you
know
it's
really
it.
They
just
seem
way
too
high
at
four
at
five.
H
H
Well,
I
sure
don't
have
that.
I
got
the
short
pop
polly
syndrome
yeah,
so
I
don't
know
what
the
answer
is
but
lower
swings.
You
have
to
lift
a
child
onto
those
swings,
there's
no
way
that
a
child
can
get
onto
those
swings
themselves.
So
is
that
really
the
intent
when
you
take
a
child
to
the
park
that
you
have
to
lift
them
onto
the
switch.
A
My
my
eldest
can
definitely
but
my
two
youngest
I'd
pop
on
anyway,
just
because
especially
the
youngest
I
need
to
clip
them
on.
Do
all
of
that,
but
look
it
directly
if
you
could
invite
some
feedback.
E
H
E
H
H
I
So
I
just
threw
the
chair.
It
is
important
to
note,
though
we
do
have
around
617
playgrounds
throughout
the
city
and
their
swings
do
accommodate
all
ages
as
well.
So
it's
not
just
small
children
and
toddlers.
It's
it's
older
people
as
well
that
enjoy
having
a
swing,
but
certainly
those
those
swings
that
you
have
in
question.
We're
happy
to
happy
to
look
at
those
and
and
measure
the
height,
but
the
soft
fall
really
is
problematic
because
it
constantly
it
constantly
changes.