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A
121
and
of
course,
we've
got
the
lifestyle
and
community
committee
meeting
today
we're
joined
by
our
acting
mayor,
of
course,
with
mayor
tom
tate
on
an
important
trade
mission
in
birmingham.
So
let's
just
walk
through
the
agenda.
Shall
we,
I
think,
we'll
be
unstarring.
Quite
a
few
items,
confirmation
of
minutes.
I
think
we
can
start
that
unless
there
are
any
objections,
I
will
star
that.
A
Are
there
any
conflict
of
interest
declarations
to
be
made
today,
councils
no
we'll
deal
with
that
item.
5.1
proposed
agenda
items
for
the
livestock
and
community
committee.
Any
time
start
that
no
wonderful
local
area
works
program.
Editions
now
we'll
leave
that
starred
review
of
major
sporting
venues,
bookings
and
cancellation
policies
will
leave.
Unstarred
council
gates
proposes
an
amendment
there.
A
Streets
of
remembrance,
we'll
leave
unstarred
council
gates,
proposes
an
amendment
there
license
plate
recognition,
technology,
safety,
camera,
it's
a
closed
item
counselors.
Were
there
any?
Was
there
any
desire
for
presentational
questions?
This
is
the
second
time
we've
considered
it
happy
to
start
it
leave
it
unstarred,
no
dramas,
counselor
caldwell,.
B
A
A
All
right,
counselors
item
7.2
gold
coast,
regional
botanic,
gardens
update
biodiversity,
visitor
center,
strategic
direction,
report,
rossa,
house
presentation,
yep,
no
dramas.
A
I
propose
a
general
business
item,
which
is
a
vote
of
vote
of
thanks
and
councillor
gates,
has
a
general
business
item
concerning
englefon
enkelmann
farm.
So
unless
there
are
any
conflicts
on
those
two,
no
beautiful
all
right
so
to
our
secretarial
support
team,
we
should
have
starred
item
3
item
4,
item
5.1
item
6.1
council
has
any
objections
to
moving
those
on
block
no
moved
councillor
toaster.
Do
I
have
a
secondary
council
la
castro
I'll
put
that
to
a
vote
all
those
in
favor
all
those
against
that
is
carried
all
right
councillors.
A
C
Just
as
a
bit
of
background,
this
report
came
forward
after
I'd,
received
a
couple
of
complaints
from
schools
about
the
late
notification
of
the
indoor
facilities
being
available,
primarily
at
carrara
and
at
kumra,
and
it
seems
to
me
that
the
the
report
that
I
got
from
one
of
the
principals
suggested
that
they
were
only
given
two
days
notice
when
they
wanted
to
book,
because
the
gold
coast,
careers,
festival
and
taekwondo
events
were
being
held
there.
So
that
was
what
generated
this
general
business
item.
C
I
understand
that,
sometimes,
when
our
fields
are
wet,
it
requires
the
cancellation
because
the
fields
can't
be
used,
but
that
in
turn
means
that
the
indoor
booking
that
is
held
at
the
same
time
needs
to
be
cancelled.
So
I
see
that
officers
have
addressed
that,
but
what
I
hoped
to
do
was
put
a
new
three
in
the
recommendation
that
says
that,
except
for
inclement
weather
conditions,
the
cancellation
of
permanent
school
bookings
be
notified
no
less
than
seven
days
in
advance.
C
D
Through
the
chair,
so
no
that's
absolutely
fine,
and
I
think
you
know
it's
good
to
call
it
out
it's
what
we
really
do
anyway.
Yeah.
A
A
But
quite
often
our
clubs
are
affected
by
inundation
and
field
closures
will
seek
bookings
at
alabasta
right,
yeah,
bob
alabaster
yeah.
But
then,
during
the
course
of
the
week
the
fields
may
open
again
and
they
settled
with
sometimes
up
750
to
a
1500
booking
at
those
fields.
A
Do
city
offices
have
a
view
around
dealing
with
those
cancellations
when,
when
a
club
is
able
to
make
a
cancellation
as
opposed
to
the
city,
making
a
cancellation.
E
Well,
yeah,
through
the
chair,
we
we
certainly
we're
a
user
pay
site,
so
all
bookings
are
user
pays.
The
fields
at
alabasta
are
90
occupied
between
5
pm
and
8
pm
each
night.
So
if
a
rubino
night
is
cancelled
or
closed
due
to
inclement
weather
and
we
remain
open
due
to
the
standard
of
our
field-
doesn't
guarantee
that
the
fields
are
open.
So
we
have
a
lot
of
community
groups
that
use
that
facility.
Primarily
they
are
community
groups
and
we
have
bookings
in
on
that
site
that
are
six
months
in
advance.
A
I
just
made
a
commitment
to
ask
the
question:
yeah,
that's
on
the
public
record
counselors
any
further
questions,
no
counselor
guts.
Are
you
happy
to
move
that
certainly
dive
a
seconder
counselor
o'neill?
Here
we
go
here.
We
go
council.
Has
any
speakers
against?
A
No,
don't
think
we
really
require
debate
I'll,
put
that
to
a
vote,
all
those
in
favor
all
those
against
that
is
carried.
A
C
F
A
A
D
Please
so
through
the
chair,
so
we've
got
brooke
and
kimmy
here
just
to
talk
about
the
success
of
the
pilot
and
all
the
details
of
the
pilot.
I've
got
jemima
and
zara
here
over
from
epe
who
will
talk
on
behalf,
obviously
the
heritage
unit
in
terms
of
any
resourcing.
D
So,
just
just
in
terms
of
how
you
direct
your
questions
today,
maybe
jamaica
could
come
up
and
give
you
a
bit
of
an
overview
on
the
resources
that
that's
the
main
focus
of
the
questions
and
okay
sure,
okay
kim
did
you
want
to
give
us
a
bit
of
an
overview.
F
Yes,
through
you
chair,
thank
you,
so
as
council
council
resolved
obviously
to
do
a
trial
streets
remembrance
project
through
that
we
actually
received
87
nominations
across
the
city
and
that
was
from
a
mix
of
general
public
counsellors
through
social
media,
etc.
F
F
Based
on
that,
we
were
actually
so
through
heritage.
So
through
heritage
supported
by
local
studies,
library,
those
streets
were
investigated
further,
just
to
try
and
match
those
and
link
those
with
streets
across
the
city
a
little
bit
complex,
because
some
of
our
city
records
around
early
street
naming
some
challenges
in
relation
to
that.
But
through
that
process
we
were
able
to
identify
25
streets.
Initially
those
25
streets
were
sent
to
a
historian,
and
through
that
process
we
actually
was
able
to
identify
23
streets
that
were
named
after
or
had
a
family
association
with
streets.
F
F
So
from
that
process
we
then
developed
a
web
page
so
on
that
web
page
has
the
23
streets
that
are
now
listed,
and
we
intend
to
do
a
little
bit
further
with
that
through
the
next
phase,
where
we'll
actually
get
the
photos
et
cetera
and
further
stories
about
those
service
personnel
that
we're
hoping
longer
term
can
generate
into
a
booklet
that
can
be
like
world
war
one
world
war
ii,
and
should
the
project
continue
further,
that
that
could
be
almost
catalogued
like
that.
F
So
it'll
be
a
constant,
I
guess
record
for
the
city
so
through
that
we
also
did
a
media
launch.
So
I'm
councillor
vorstar,
we
had
a
service
personnel
as
well
from
the
rsl
that
actually
came
down
in
the
mayor
and
launched
that
down
in
rabina
from
that
we
got
a
lot
of
social
media
comments
from
all
of
the.
I
guess.
The
posts
that
were
shared
through
the
counsellors
as
well,
we
had
some
great
feedback.
It
was
fairly
positive
all
around
in
terms
of
the
recognition
that
had
been
given
to
those
veterans.
F
We
contacted
the
families
of
those
family
associations
as
well,
where
those
details
were
available
just
to
determine
and
to
ensure
there
was
no
issues
with
badging
those
streets
with
the
poppy.
Given
the
original
intent
was
after
the
founding
families
of
those
areas
where
we,
where
we
made
contact,
there,
was
no
issues
at
all
from
those
families
and
it
was
really
positive
feedback
also
received.
F
Subsequently
we
sent
photos
of
the
streets
to
those
family
members
just
to
ensure
they
had
a
record
of
that
and
that
they
could
share
that
with
broader
family
members,
we've
received,
we
received
some
correspondence
from
fiji,
so
there's
some.
This
project
has
reached
further
afield
from
family
members
that
are
now
living
overseas.
Just
I
guess,
thanking
the
city
for
that.
You
know
for
recognizing
veterans,
so,
overall,
the
community
sentiment
has
been
extremely
positive
to
the
project,
so
that
had
concluded
the
pilot.
F
So
at
this
stage
we
have
officially
got
22
of
the
23
streets.
Badged
there's
one
street
which
is
lanes
road
in
wongawolin,
which
is
having
tmr
upgrades
so
as
soon
as
those
street
signs
are
able
to
be
great
council
upgrades
a
council,
yes,
so
as
soon
as,
though
we're
able
to
actually
place
that
that
badge
on
that
street,
we
will
be
doing
so.
So
that
will
conclude
the
pilot.
C
Yeah,
I
was
a
little
surprised
to
see
what
was
required
in
terms
of
resourcing,
and
my
question
was
about
the
verification.
What
what
is
necessary
and
is
there
any
possibility
that
we
could
require
verification
to
be
provided
by
anyone
making
a
nomination.
D
Through
the
chair,
so
the
0.5
fte
is
obviously
to
project
manage
that
the
project
or
the
streets
of
remembrance
next
stage,
project,
documentation,
reporting
procurement
management
of
contracts,
they'll
be
doing
a
large
portion
of
their
research.
So
for,
for
example,
last
year
it
was
over
400
hours
of
research
undertaken
by
the
office
of
architecture
and
heritage,
which
obviously
led
to
some
of
those
leads
for
the
next
stage.
C
That
is
there
a
possibility
that
those
400
suggested
hours
of
research
actually
be
handled
individually
by
people
who
make
a
nomination
and
that
the
evidence
is
provided
to
eradicate
the
need
for
counsel
to
do
that
level
of
research.
It's
it's
simply
a
question
whether
yeah
and
I
don't
have
an
understanding
of
how
involved
that
research
might
be
so
yeah.
D
Through
the
chair,
if
the
number
of
nominations
that
were
put
forward
versus
the
number
of
leads
that
were
discovered
is
quite
disproportionate.
So
if
we
look
at
this
next
stage,
the
numbers
30
over
57
streets
were
resulted
out
of
the
leads
through
research
and
not
a
large
number
were
resulting
out
of
nominations
per
se.
D
So
obviously
the
57
is
through
leads,
and
that
needs
to
be
interrogated
and
that's
by
officers
going
to
places
like
the
state
library
going
to
local
local
studies,
library
undertaking
trips
to
museums,
any
of
those
sort
of
artifacts,
so
it
needs,
I
suppose,
specialist
knowledge
to
undertake
those
that
research
and
to
go
to
a
number
of
those
locations.
Some
of
those
are
located
in
brisbane
as
well,
so
it
takes
a
lot
of
legwork
as
well,
which
added
to
those
400
hours
that
occurred
last
year.
Okay,.
F
Through
you
chair,
it
was
obviously
an
idea
that
we
had.
It
was
to
capture
that,
so
we
could
actually
capture
the
full
story
of
the
family.
So
when
the
historian
actually
did
that
research
piece,
they've,
obviously
provided
more
detail
than
just
that.
What
we've
placed
on
the
website.
So
it
was
just
providing
a
resource
that
we
could
capture
that
it
was
planned
that
potentially
that
we
could
look
at
that
over
the
next
phase
of
the
project
or
even
moving
forward
if
it's
expanded
further.
A
F
A
So
I
just
want
to
do
some
some
quick
math
so
bear
with
me
so
37
out
of
how
many
sorry
87
87
so
about
42
and
a
half
percent
of
nominations
came
from
councillors
and
400
hours
were
incurred,
doing
research.
Now,
I'm
assuming
the
city
offices
carrying
out
the
research
are
quite
proficient
at
doing
research
right.
A
So
let's
go
42
multiplied
by
400
hours,
so
we're
looking
at
about
170
hours
of
work
generated
by
counselor
submissions
that
quite
as
I
said,
they
know
what
they're
looking
for
and
where
to
go.
Probably
take
me
twice
as
long
so
I'm
going
to
say
it's
twice,
so
it's
about
340
hours.
I
would
say
of
counselor
time
that
would
be
taken
up
if
the
burden
of
that
research
were
placed
on
us
as
elected
representatives.
Would
that
be
a
fair,
fair
assessment?
Or
should
we
stick
with
the
original
170
hours.
D
Through
the
chair,
I
suppose
yeah
it's
it's
hard
to
apportion,
because
some
were
obviously
easily
lead
somewhere
difficult
to
find
the
information.
But
you
could
average
it
out
to
across
the
87
87
streets
investigated
right.
E
Thank
you.
I
too
had
some
concerns
just
regarding
the
future
resourcing
of
the
program,
I
think
we
would
all
be
at
the
position
that
it's
been
really
well
received
by
the
community
and
that's
that's
of
no
surprise
to
anybody,
and
I
think
that
we
knew
that
that
was
going
to
be
the
case.
E
I
think
that
the
challenge
that
the
gold
coast
has
is
that
there
are.
It
was
such
a
small
town
in
world
war,
one
and
world
war
ii.
So
I
can
speak
in
regards
to
the
kumara
memorial,
where
there's
three
there's
three
sections
for
both
world
war:
one
and
world
war
ii.
E
That
memorial
has
been
the
custody
of
that
has
been
held
by
the
kimra
valley,
rotary
club
for
the
last
25
years,
who
have
done
an
enormous
body
of
work
in
regards
to
research
of
each
of
the
names
of
on
the
memorial.
I
think
that
the
gold
coast,
as
the
city
probably
has
six
or
seven
of
those
memorials,
and
it
wouldn't
surprise
me
if
a
similar
body
of
work
had
been
done
on
my
at
most
of
those
memorials
by
the
organizations
that
have
cared
for
them
over
this
time.
E
Whether
or
not
that's
the
rsl
or
I
think
the
pimpama
memorial
is
is
a
separate
body.
The
camera
valley
rotary
also
look
after
theirs,
so
it.
It
really
did
surprise
me
that
we
needed
to
or
sought
to
go
that
extra
distance.
So
so
I
think,
for
example,
bd
road.
We
all
of
the
local
representatives
know
that
that
family
gave
during
world
war
one
because
it's
it's
up
on
the
memorial
to
make
that
pretty
obvious
and
there's
been
an
enormous
body
of
research.
E
That's
been
done
already
in
that
regards,
so
I
think
in
terms
of
extending
the
pilot
into
world
war
ii,
I
think
that
there's
a
there's,
a
natural
body
of
information
that
we
should
be
able
to
rely
on,
without
necessarily
seeking
to
I'm
going
to
say,
reinvent
that
wheel.
I
think
we
can
pay
tribute
to
any
of
those
families
from
world
war
ii,
where
there
is
a
a
link
to
a
unknown
link
to
a
road
and
have
that
as
the
second
pilot,
rather
than
seeking
to
run
down
every
opportunity
that
might
exist.
E
I
I
know
that,
in
regards
to
the
kerma
memorial,
I
visited
the
the
war
memorial
to
find
to
to
find
the
names
on
the
on
the
on
on
the
wall
and
there's
a
free
research
center
as
part
of
the
australian
war
memorial
and,
quite
literally,
I
spent
two
hours
they're
taking
photos
of
of
the
of
the
memorial,
but
also
finding
the
information.
E
So
I
suppose
I'm
a
bit
staggered
that,
in
order
to
run
down
the
balance
of
names
that
might
exist
in
regards
to
world
war
ii,
we
need
a
two-year
project
and
260
thousand
dollars.
That's
the
bit
that
that
I
think
this
is
a
little
bit
out
of
kilter,
particularly
when
there
is
the
body
of
research.
That's
been
done
today
has
all
been
done
by
the
volunteers.
E
I
I
just
think
that
we
need
to
maybe
reposition
the
next
pilot
to
actually
ask
for
those
custodians
of
the
memorials
that
exist,
whether
or
not
they
have
any
world
war
ii
names
that
they
think
directly
relate,
because
that
local
community
actually
knows
what
we
want
to
confirm.
You
know,
so
I
just
think
that
there's
a
different
way,
we
can
go
about
it
rather
than
committing
a
research
project
for
two
years
for
another
50,
odd
blades,.
B
So
I
read
the
report
and
I
actually
probably
took
a
different
view.
I
thought
it
was
a
little.
I
thought
it
was
a
little
undercooked
in
that
I
thought
it
was
fairly
reasonable
to
think.
Like
you've
asked
for
about
a
thousand
hours,
a
half
of
full-time
employees
about
20
hours
a
week
over
50
weeks
thousand
hours
a
year,
and
I
thought
if
there
was
going
to
be
80
nominations,
it
seems
a
bit
reasonable.
There
might
be
two
days
of
research
per
you
know
knowing
as
a
student
of
a
university.
B
B
B
As
usual
kind
of
activity
help
me
understand
what
you
know
a
day
in
the
life
of
a
staff
member
in
this
who
might
be
redeployed
to
this
project.
How
does
that
work?
What
would
that
work
like
in
in
your
unit.
D
Through
the
chair,
we've
got
two
officers
in
the
office
of
city,
architect
and
jemima
will
help
me
out
if
I
get,
if
I
miss
some
of
it,
but
we've
got
a
number
of
legislative
obligations
that
we're
required
to
to
deal
with
being
the
heritage
register
dealing
with
inquiries
from
the
public,
and
we
do
a
lot
of
work
with
our
asset
management
owners
for
items
that
are
heritage
listed
and
that
sort
of
thing
yeah,
that's
correct.
So
we
have
a
level
eight
and
a
level,
seven
permanent,
full-time
positions.
D
So
the
legislative
requirement
is
updating
and
maintaining
the
local
heritage
register,
updating
and
creating
conservation
management
plans,
especially
when
60
odd
of
those
80
odd
lhr
items
are
owned
by
council,
assisting
those
council
asset
custodians
with
their
capex
projects
and
their
cultural
heritage,
risk
management,
protection
and
conservation
of
recent
and
indigenous
heritage
as
well
heritage
inquiries.
So
that's
internal
and
external,
and
also
we
have
the
heritage,
development
applications
and
we
know
there's
been
a
number
of
big
ones
over
the
years
as
well,
including
one
that's
current.
So.
B
D
B
Yeah,
I
suppose
I'm
trying
to
work
out
this
team,
who
have
legislative
obligations
are
clearly
kind
of
deployed
to
a
certain
activity
that
we
we
have
to
do
because
the
law
requires
it.
This.
This
project,
I
think,
has
so
much
merit
and
there's
lots
of
community
interest
in
it,
but
it
seems
like
it's:
it's
not
we're
not
legislatively
obliged
to
name
streets
after
war
veterans,
even
though
it's
a
really
good
idea.
So
I
think
my
question
is
or
what
I'm
trying
to
get
at
is:
how
does
this
sort
of
project?
B
D
Is
correct
so
at
the
moment
we
don't
have
capacity
within
the
current
resource
to
undertake
this
work,
and
last
year
we
had
to
de-prioritise
some
of
that
work,
which
is
not
ideal
when
it's
legislatively
driven
so.
B
D
Correct
so
so
things
like
updating
the
local
heritage
register
was
paused
to
undertake
this
work
right.
We
shouldn't
have
right,
but
it's
important.
A
B
Yeah
through
you,
I,
my
intention
of
these
questions
is
not
to
undermine
the
merit
of
the
program.
People
in
my
community
have
expressed
a
strong
support
for
the
idea
that
we
acknowledge
of
all
veterans
to
me.
There's
no,
I'm
just
trying
to
make
sure
if
we
are
going
to
embark
down
this
track.
B
It
just
occurs
to
me
that
half
a
full-time
employee,
a
thousand
hours,
is
actually
not
going
to
be
enough
for
us
to
do
it.
Unless
we
set
a
very
clear
metric
about
how
many
streets
are
we
going
to
do
each
year,
so
my
question
is:
maybe
how
many
streets
do
you
recommend
we
do
each
year
with
half
an
employee.
D
Through
the
chair
at
the
moment
we
have,
let
me
just
pull
up
the
numbers.
37
leads
seven
family
associations
which
were
relating
to
the
work
that
was
just
done
and
13
new
street
investigations.
D
The
37
leads
would
be
quite
achievable
in
the
half
fte
person
and
we
can
also
undertake
the
13
we
can
undertake.
The
57
is
what
I'm
trying
to
say
yeah.
So.
B
Is
there
a
mechanism
by
which
we
could
legitimately
outsource,
I
don't
mean
outsourced
financially
but
outsource
the
the
nomination,
verification
and
research
process
such
that
we
still
meet
our
obligations
that
if
we
put
someone's
name
on
a
sign,
we
can
be
satisfied
that
that
is
an
appropriately
credible.
D
So
to
outsource
the
nominations,
yes,
that
can
be
done,
obviously
by
a
specialist
sorry
through
the
chair
outsourcing,
the
nominations
can
be
done
by
a
specialist
historian.
At
the
moment.
We
do
currently
have
part
of
that
70
000
is
used
to
have
the
work
validated
by
a
historian
and
prepare
the
website
stories
that
that
is
present
on
the
website.
D
A
A
I
would
be
surprised
if
they
commit
as
much
resources
to
that
project
as
we're
being
asked
to
commit
for
potentially
a
much
smaller
list.
So
can
I
just
get
an
understanding
on
whether
they
have
validators
specialist
historians
and
what
have
you
checking
every
nomination
thanks.
F
Through
you
chair,
I
can
answer
in
terms
of
their
scope,
council
of
all
star,
but
in
terms
of
that
historian
and
the
use
of
a
historian,
I'm
unaware
of
that,
but
in
terms
of
their
scope
in
brisbane
it's
a
lot
broader
than
the
scope
we
had
here.
F
So
it's
named
after
places
events
of
historical
significance,
so
that
would
not
require
as
much
validation
as
what
we're
I
know
when
we
started
with
the
pilot,
it
was
very
strict
in
terms
of
from
heritage
around
specifically
named
after
so
that
was
those
documents
that
were
you
know
relevant
that
we
found
the
street
that
we
found
those
documents
that
linked
the
person
directly
to
the
street,
which
then
got
expanded
to
named
highly
likely
named
after
which
then
allowed
us
to
broaden
that
scope
to
the
23
streets
that
got
named.
A
G
D
Through
the
chair,
no,
these
are
of
the
same
criteria
that
we
established
during
the
second
half
of
the
pro
pilot.
G
So
my
concern
is
that
we
have
formed
our
position.
G
Apart
from
the
the
councils
of
the
time
and
the
time
that's
passed,
that
was
not
able
to
be
found.
So
I
I
mean.
I
just
think
that
you
know
we
often
use
the
term
low
hanging
fruit
in
this
chamber.
So
online.
You
can
search
a
copy
of
the
plaque.
That's
on
the
southport
war
memorial,
which
some
of
these
names
appear
in
the
schedule
already.
D
Through
the
chair,
they
are
historical
records.
It's
about
validating
their
linkages,
to
streets.
G
So
do
we
need
to
validate
that
on
this
list
we
have
campbell,
presumably
campbell
street
or
could
be
linked
as
being
a
reference
to
campbell
who
served
gavin
cromey
kotlow,
elliott,
middleton,
slutcher,
upton
blah
blah
blah.
G
G
Let's
commemorate
the
fact
that
upton
was
here
and
now
upton
is
there
and
on
a
daily
basis,
we
drive
past
the
street
signs
there
and
people
often
don't
spend
much
time
at
the
war
memorial,
so
we're
bringing
what
is
often
a
very
rare
occurrence
of
seeing
a
war
memorial
into
people's
daily
lives
to
be
commemorated.
Now.
I
just
think
we
need
to
compress
that
process
and
there's
got
to
be.
G
But
I
think
that's
the
less
likely
of
the
outcomes.
There
are
enough
names
that
are
easily
available
at
uppercamera
and
southport
and
pimpama
that
we
surely
can
pick
off
the
other
50
very
easily
very
easily
without
and
if-
and
you
know,
it's
not
just
about
the
expenditure,
but
we've
already
heard
that
it's
you
know
the
employment
market's
tight,
how
we
actually
going
to
find
a
person
to
fill
this
role,
etc,
etc.
G
A
All
right
stop
thanks
for
the
comment
there,
counselor
and
well.
Well
put
we
have
councillor
young,
it's
a
councillor
young,
then
council,
owen,
jones
and
then
councillor
le
castra
and
then
councillor
melvin,
lumson.
C
And
thank
you
chair,
I'm
not
on
this
committee,
but
it's
just
and
for
me
it's
thank
you
just
in
the
date
in
number
four
should
this
get
supported
today
is
having
it
as
march
24,
which
is
obviously
the
next
election
month.
A
That's
a
good
point.
Council
young.
I
think
we're
going
to
end
up
with
a
significantly
reworked
recommendation,
though
it's
my
sense,
counselor
castro.
H
Sorry
thanks,
mr
chair,
it's
just
just
through
you
to
counselor
call!
Well,
I'm
not
quite
sure.
If
I
grasped
I
may
have
got
the
wrong
end
of
the
stick
with
what
councillor
caldwell
was
proposing
or
speaking
about
so
through
you
to
to
cam.
Are
you
saying
that
if
there's
a
name
on
a
on
a
plaque
at
a
memorial
and
there's
a
street
with
the
same
name
that
that
we
should
just
be
able
to
automatically
link
that
name
on
the
memorial
to
the
street?
That's
what
brisbane
does
yes.
G
You
know
50
circa
1950
to
support
it,
but
I
mean
where
else
are
we
seriously
going
to
sit
here
and
say
that,
just
by
chance
we've
got
a
campbell
street
and
upton
street
a
cromie
ave,
a
kotlow
street,
a
suburb
named
after
the
gavin
family?
I
mean
you
know
I
mean
like
I
can
tell
you.
This
is
not
by
accident,
because
this
is
how
all
of
these
early
streets
were
established.
H
A
Which
I
mean
to
my
recollection
was
the
intent
of
the
original
gbi
that
was
the
intent
councillor
belden
lumsen,
then
councillor
toza.
Yes,
thanks,
chad,
just.
G
Actually,
following
on
from
that,
though
I
guess
confusion
was
one
of
the
streets
I
had
nominated
was
beats
avenue
and
labrador,
which
is
on
that.
Probably
the
memorial
that
councillor
caldwell's
got
open,
which
I
said
was
named
after
francis
frederick
beats
that
one
wasn't
badged,
but
one
that
was
badged
for
francis
fredrick
beats
was
frank
straight
in
labrador,
so
that
was,
I
thought.
The
beats
connection
was
very
clear,
but
then
no
so
I
guess
in
those
kind
of
circumstances
apparently
beats
is
named
after
his
family,
but
not
him
specifically.
A
Well,
poppies
are
for
families
effectively
and
the
the
rising
sun.
That's
a
rising
sun
like
all
right
used
for
specific
personnel
personnel.
Now
I
mean,
unfortunately,
I
don't
know
the
story
of
this
particular
francis
and
plainly
there
must
have
been
some
historical
document
to
connect
francis
with
frank
through.
D
The
chair,
we
have
our
researcher
here
if
you
want
the
explicit
findings
on
that
through
our
researcher.
G
B
So
just
I
mean
it
just
occurs
to
me
that
none
of
us
have
a
particularly
emotional
connection
to
any
individual
veteran
in
this
room,
and
yet
we've
spoken
about
it
just
for
40
minutes
without
even
thinking
emotionally
about
it.
To
what
extent
did
the
team
field
queries
from
members
of
the
public
about
this
nomination
process?.
B
B
I
had
a
subsequent
30-minute
conversation
with
another
old
older
individual
in
my
community,
who
was
convinced
that
robert
street
was
actually
named
after
a
different
robert.
That's
just
one
hour
of
you
know.
B
H
A
A
The
other
option
is
to
ask
city
officers
to
perhaps
go
away
and
come
back
with
a
different
report
and
different
set
of
recommendations
that
tries
to
mirror,
as
far
as
possible,
the
brisbane
approach,
which
I
think
reflects
the
the
example
that
council
caldwell
gave
right,
but
by
lowering
the
threshold
that
we
require
in
order
for
these
signs
to
be
or
the
stickers
to
be
affixed
to
our
street
signs,
the
other
option
is
to
halve
the
amount
and
instead
of
running
a
two-year
trial,
running
a
12-month
trial
right,
so
status
quo,
total
rewrite
or
12-month
trial,
and
then
that
overcomes
one
of
the
concerns
that
counselor
young
had
about
getting
too
close
to
march
2024.
A
A
So
we
can
either
accept
the
model
which
demands
the
resources
that
city
offices
require
that's
contained
in
the
report.
So
we
can
accept
this
model
or
now
that
the
pilots
run
its
course.
We
might
feel
collectively
that
there
is
such
little
risk
attached
to
this,
and
brisbane
has
done
such
a
good
job,
leading
the
way
that
we
actually
want
a
model
that
is
less
resource
intensive
both
for
the
city
offices
and
the
nominators.
So
we
want
city
offices
to
go
away
and
propose
a
different
model.
A
Three,
we
accept
the
model
that
they've
proposed,
but
we
run
it
only
for
12
months
and
not
24
months,
which
drops
the
funding
ask
from
what
do
you
call
it
260
down
to
the
one
third
130
everyone,
and
then
we've
got
an
opportunity
after
12
months
to
say
we
ran
a
pilot
with
this
model.
We've
run
it
the
way
the
city
officers
proposed
in
their
report
and
then
in
the
third
year,
we're
actually
now
so
satisfied,
there's
no
risk.
We
want
to
adopt
the
caldwell
method,
so
I
think
those
are
the.
A
G
G
Four,
I
think
we
should
do
it
in
may
2024.
We
will
be
in
caretaker
mode
in
march
2024,
but
also
there's
probably
a
synergy
with
having
concluded
the
program
in
the
april
of
the
anzac
april
anzac
day
2024,
and
that
we
then
review
how
things
are
tracking.
G
Just
after
that,
so
I
think
it's
better
to
be
may
number.
Five
is
fine,
okay
and
then
I'm
open
to
how
we
deal
with
the
resourcing,
but
my
preference
is
that
we
either
make
a
small
interim
allocation
to
continue
the
work
or
that
the
officers
bring
back
a
further
report
or
advice
between
now
and
for
council
that
outlines
a
more
streamlined
process
for
the
applications
to
be
assessed
and
approved
and
alternate
resourcing.
G
A
G
A
Number
two
number
two
is
a
pseudo-endorsement
of
the
process
and
the
resource
demand
that's
required
of
that
process.
In
the
report.
Yeah
I've
deleted
two
right,
but
we
need
to
replace
it
with
something
we
do
right
so
and
I
feel
as
though
committee
and
council
needs
to
provide
the
guidance
to
city
offices
around
what
that
process
is.
So
if,
if
we're
silent
on
it,
I
think
we're
going
to
we're
going
to
run
into
the
same
problems.
We've
had
historically
with
we're
over
here
and
offices
are
over
here.
Council
gates.
C
Planning
an
environment
yesterday
when
I
read
this
report
and
asked
her
for
a
figure
to
do
a
a
lesser
body
of
research,
the
figure
that
she
suggested
was
fifty
thousand
dollars.
So
we
could
replace
two
with
that.
Council
supports
a
funding
request
of
fifty
thousand
dollars
over
two
years
or
one
year.
I
would
suggest
one
year
so
because
I'm
certain
that,
if
we
do
the
work
from
all
of
the
war
memorials,
I
mean
at
pimpama.
C
For
example,
every
year
a
family
member
that
still
exists
speaks
about
the
people
whose
names
are
on
those
memorials
and
they
all
have
information
that
they
can
verify
that
they
bring
to
the
the
ceremonies.
So
the
war
memorials
are
the
first
step,
in
my
view,
for
the
information
the
rsl
is
another
and
that
50
000
would
allow
that
body
of
work
to
be
done
without
going
to
the
extent
that's
been
advised
this
morning,
all
right.
A
A
A
B
A
B
G
F
Through
you
chair,
obviously
every
sign
would
be
delivered
in
time
for
anzac
day,
so
we
commence
the
next
round
straight
after
anzac
day.
Okay,.
G
A
Let's
put
a
part
a
under
two,
because
there'll
be
a
funding
request
made
through
the
september
budget
review
and
just
say
that
the
related
report
set
out
a
refined
nomination
and
approval
process.
A
G
G
A
Is
it
what'd
I
say
last
round
camel
is
a
horse
designed
by
committee
sure.
G
Yes,
we're
no
better
or
worse
off
anyway,
because
the
money's
not
there
until
september,
whichever
way
this
goes
today
so
in
september,
if
it's
completely
not
going
to
work
we'll
know
about
it,
then
yeah,
because
we're
not
approving
funding
today.
So
the
funding
is
theoretical,
as
we
sit
here
and
councillor.
A
B
So
I
think
you're
missing
reading
me.
I
actually
am
supportive
of
the
process.
I
just
think,
if
we're
serious
about
it,
we
should
allocate
sufficient
funding
to
deliver
what
we
want
and
at
the
moment,
50
000
is
not
going
to
give
us
what
I
think
the
general
committee
has
suggested
they
want,
which
is
to
continue
the
program
and
it
needs
to
be
legitimate.
G
B
B
It's
actually,
whether
in
my
community,
where
lots
of
people
have
the
name
robert
for
robert
street,
whether
the
veteran
is
named
after
that,
so
that
sign
is
named
after
the
veteran
or
that
sign
is
named
after
the
lions
club
president
or
the
rotary
president
or
the
winner
of
the
wood
shopping
competition,
and
that's
where
I
think
the
the
we're
actually
understating
the
importance
of
that
research
process,
because
someone
is
going
to
be
disappointed.
If
we
get
that
wrong
and
we
should
actually
legitimately
try
to
get
it
right
and
allocate
enough.
A
Resources
to
do
so,
unfortunately,
what
experience
tells
us
is
that
when
that
process
was
the
process,
you're
proposing
was
the
first
process
that
city
officers
took
from
our
first
general
business
item.
I
think
we
had
a
suggestion
of
three
three
or
four,
and
it
was
actually
council.
Then
two
there
was
one
in
labrador
and
where
was
the
other
one?
A
A
C
A
Right
since
it's
a
camel
with
two
humps,
that's
moved
by
councillor
caldwell
seconded
by
councillor
gates
cancer
caldwell.
Would
you
like
to
speak
to
them?
Look.
G
Most
of
what
I
would
want
to
say
on
this,
I
had
already
said
earlier
in
my
question
time,
so
I
won't
repeat
it
other
than
to
say,
which
is
the
important
message
that
the
whole
concept
of
this
was
to
uplift:
the
commemoration
of
people
who
have
served
from
our
city
and
take
them
from
you
know,
perhaps
being
on
a
plaque
or
a
monument
and
bringing
them
into
the
everyday
lives
of
gold
coast
residents,
so
that
we
can
have
an
active
and
visual
memory
on
a
day-to-day
basis
of
that
of
the
sacrifice
that
was
often
made
by
these
people,
and
I
think
where
we've
got
to,
and
I
think
we're
all
on
the
same
page
here.
G
G
A
Perhaps
council
tarzan
did
you
want
to
speak
against.
B
B
B
What
I
think
is
eminently
important
is
that
when
council
allocates
resources
to
change
street
signs
or
honor
people
properly,
that
we
abortion
the
right
amount
of
resources
to
do
that
and
make
sure
that,
where
possible,
we
do
actually,
you
know,
acknowledge
all
people
in
our
community
who
have
made
it
who
have
served-
and
I
don't
mean
necessarily
served
in
wars,
but
also
those
who
serve
the
community
in
other
ways.
B
In
my
community
we
have
a
park
named
after
elsie
laver,
and
the
lava
family
name
is
really
prominent
in
in
my
community.
Elsie
didn't
necessarily
serve
in
a
war,
but
she
lost,
as
I
recall,
a
fiancee
to
a
loss
in
war
and
that's
a
very
sad
story,
but
elsie
herself
served
so
so
profoundly
in
my
community.
B
I
would
hate
to
think
that,
just
by
accident,
we
acknowledged
a
service
person
named
lava
instead
of
elsie's
service,
just
because
we
we're
trying
to
do
the
right
thing,
and
I
think
I
I
have
concerns
that
by
not
allocating
enough
resources
to
this
project.
That
risk
is
real
and
present
and
in
my
community
that's
really
important.
So
I
can't
support
the
the
motion
as
it
is.
B
I
think
it's
driven
by
us
wanting
to
be
frugal,
which
I
think
is
admirable,
but
that
being
frugal
being
allocating
less
resources
than
we
need
to,
I
think,
is
actually
exposing
us
to
risk
that
that
potentially
jeopardizes
the
reputation
of
really
important
community
contributors.
B
A
Thanks
again,
so
I'm
going
to
exercise
more
to
speak
and
to
respectfully
disagree
with
the
points
that
you
raised.
The
reality
is
that
the
resource,
the
resource
requirements
are
a
function
of
the
process,
the
nomination
process,
the
assessment
process
and
the
approval
process.
A
A
I
don't
believe
the
the
risk
is
material
and
if
we
are
to
eliminate
the
risk,
if
we
are
to
eliminate
the
risk,
we
would
end
up
with
two
street
signs
a
year,
and
I
think
that's
actually,
as
I
said
at
the
start
of
this
contribution,
the
greater
disservice
we
will
find
out
in
september
whether
this
is
the
appropriate
level
of
resourcing,
and
it
could
be
that
it's
not
we're
relying
on
some
feedback
from
councillor
gates.
It
might
be
that
that
figure
has
to
be
75.
000
might
have
to
be
a
hundred
thousand
right.
A
We
don't
know,
but
we're
giving
city
officers
the
opportunity
to
make
that
bid
in
september.
So
whatever
the
resources
need
to
be,
I'm
sure
we
will
deliver
those
resources,
we're
not
going
to
constrain
the
program,
we're
merely
trying
to
construct
a
process
where
more
people
get
to
be
acknowledged
than
not
counselors.
Any
speakers
against
the
motion
council
or
castro.
H
No
I
was
going
to
but
yeah
I
mean
given
that
for
me
the
the
september
budget
review,
as
you
say
that
that's
my
main
concern
that
we're
not
under
resourced,
because
I
do
still
have
genuine
concerns
that
we
could
get.
We
could
get
it
wrong.
So
at
least
then
we'll
get
an
idea
of
what's
needed,
but
I
certainly
don't
want
to
under
resource
it
either
yeah.
So.
B
G
So
you
know
that
is
actually
what
she
has
been
given
her
recognition
through
that
gift,
and
I
think
that
at
the
at
its
worst,
the
highest
placement
that
counselor
lecastro
could
possibly
say
is
getting
it
wrong
means
that
we
put
it
on
a
street
sign
that
relates
to
someone
who
served,
but
that
someone
else
has
the
same
name
and
claims.
Now
to
me,
that's
not
actually
a
mistake,
that's
exactly
what
the
program
sets
out
to
achieve,
and
so
I
think
on
both
of
those
fronts.
A
Thanks
debate
and
as
I
mentioned
this
anzac
biscuit-
oh
yeah,
that
was
a
setup
I'll.
I
won't
call
it
division
unless
anyone
likes
like
to
I'll
just
put
that
to
a
vote,
all
those
in
favor
all
those
against
counselor
tyson.
Would
you
like
to
be
noted.
B
A
A
A
A
A
A
A
However,
we
are
moving
into
open
to
carry
our
recommendation,
which
reads:
let's
skip
over
the
boilerplate
adds
two:
the
council
approves
the
introduction
of
permanent
lpr
technology
through
the
safety
camera
network,
commencing
in
2223
that
consideration
be
given
to
an
expansion
of
the
lpr
rollout
in
future
years,
including
in
urban
villages,
and
where
reliable,
scn
infrastructure
may
be
available,
not
much.
I
can
say
on
this
other
than
to
point
out
that
lpr
technology
is
license
plate,
recognition
technology.
A
A
Let's
move
by
myself
seconded
by
councillor
le
castro
I'll
put
that
to
a
vote
all
those
in
favor
all
those
against
that
is
carried
all
right,
unfortunately,
again
for
those
tuning
in
we
have
to
deal
with
a
second
closed
session
item
item
7.2,
which
is
our
gold
coast,
regional
botanic,
gardens
update
councillors.
I
Through
you,
mr
chair,
the
main
reasons
for
its
confidentiality
is:
there
are
cost
estimates,
including
in
the
report.
If
we
at
some
stage
in
the
future
go
to
tender,
they
could
disadvantage
or
advantage
both
the
city
or
persons
tendering
in
that
process.
Right,
okay,.
G
A
G
A
So
the
so
for
those
tuning
in
home.
We
in
order
for
councillors,
to
benefit
from
the
presentation
we
have
to
move
into
close,
and
that's
because
the
presentation
itself
contains
the
confidential
information
which
we
can't
avoid
because
skipping
past
the
slide
would
still
make
it
publish
in
the
open.
A
So
would
someone
propose
that
we
move
into
closed
council
lacastra,
councillor,
belden,
lumsen's,
seconding
and
the
purpose
of,
or
the
reason
is
that
we
are
dealing
with
a
matter
that
affects
the
local
government
budget
and
I'm
not
sure
that
it
affects
the
health
and
safety
of
an
individual
group.
But
I
suppose
it's
nice
and
healthy
if
you're
in
a
botanic
garden
like
for
your
mental
health,
going
for
a
walk,
that's
affecting
your
health,
but
I
think
we,
I
think
we
can
delete
f
right.
A
A
A
A
A
A
A
A
A
A
A
A
A
A
A
A
A
A
A
A
A
A
A
A
A
A
A
A
A
A
A
So
thanks
for
your
patience,
everyone,
unfortunately,
sometimes
we
have
to
deal
with
confidential
information
which
forces
us
into
close.
That's
to
protect
your
interests
as
viewing
ratepayers
we'd
love
to
share
more
about
this
important
gold
coast
story,
though,
and
councillor
castro
has
proposed
to
move
the
committee
recommendation.
That's
seconded
by
councillor
toza
councillor
castro,
mindful
of
the
confidential
elements
of
the
report,
but
invite
you
to
open
debate.
H
H
H
An
extremely
popular
component
to
the
gardens
the
gardens
are
taking
place.
We
always
knew
when
these
gardens
were
established
20
years
ago,
when
the
decision
was
made
20
years
ago
to
establish
these
gardens,
that
it
would
be
a
20
to
25
year
project
and
that's
proving
to
be
the
case.
This
is
but
clearly,
as
number
eight
actually
shows
there.
We
also
need
to
make
sure
that
the
road
can
actually
handle
the
the
number
of
visitors
that
we
expect
that
this
will
attract
already.
H
The
gardens
are
very,
very
popular
and
locals,
and,
and
visitors
to
our
city
are
already
patronizing
the
gardens.
We
believe
that
that
this
addition
of
a
biodiversity
visitor
centre
will
increase
the
the
number
of
visitors
significantly
and
inject
some
much
needed
funds
into
our
local
tourism
economy.
So.
H
Very
good,
very,
very
good,
so
I'm
hoping
that
this
is
something
that
will
be
supported,
because
I
think
it's
something
that
would
be
very,
very
welcomed
and
very
well
utilized
by
our
city.
A
Or
in
our
city
any
speakers
against?
No,
would
you
like
to
close
counselor
castro
happy
days
I'll,
put
that
to
a
vote
all
those
in
favor,
all
those
against
that's
carried
another
win
for
division.
Eight
councillors!
We
now
deal
with
some
general
business
items
we'll
deal
first
with
not
inclement
farm
if
we
could,
as
soon
as
we've
got
mr
greenwood
here,
I'd
like
to
move
that
vote
of
thanks
to
mr
ross
greenwood.
A
Comma,
in
particular,
leading
the
revitalization
and
construction
of
new
parks.
A
This
is
the
last
time
mr
ross
greenwood
will
appear
at
committee
and
it's
yeah.
It's
a
it's
a
it's,
not
a
great
development
when
you
lose
city
offices
that
have
been
part
of
the
fabric
of
the
organization,
but
not
not
just
to
take
up
a
position,
but
actually
to
demonstrate
leadership
over
time
and
and
ross
for
the
last
two
decades
has
been
involved
in
projects,
including
the
palm
beach
parklands,
the
broadwater
parklands,
and
even
now
the
regional
botanic
gardens
visitor
information
on
biodiversity
center
he's
led.
A
I
mean
part
of
teams
that
have
delivered
city
changing
projects,
but
also
in
a
benefit
for
ratepayers,
also
led
the
charge
on
better
asset
management
in
our
parks
and
gardens,
because
when
we
have
these
assets
contributed
by
developers
and
when
we
construct
them,
we
kind
of
raise
community
expectations,
and
rosanna
internally
has
always
lobbied
to
make
sure
that
we
have
a
good
asset
management
plan
in
place
to
protect
those
assets
and
make
sure
that
they
continue
to
provide
amenity
to
the
community
ross.
I
consider
your
departure
a
real
loss.
A
I
just
personally
want
to
thank
you
for
some
of
the
insights
that
you've
provided
me
so
that
I
could
make
sneaky.
Thank
you
for
maneuvering
in
the
chamber.
A
Yeah,
I'm
very
sad
not
to
be
working
alongside
you,
but
I
wish
you
all
the
best
for
the
future
and
maybe
just
wanted
to
invite
you
to
share
a
few
remarks
with
committee.
I
Yeah,
I'd
love
to
it's
been
a
quarter
of
a
century
that
I've
been
working
with
the
city
and
there's
a
couple
of
things.
I'd
just
like
to
reflect
not
only
to
the
councillors
here
today,
but
past
councillors.
I
think
I've
worked
through
something
like
the
bail
administration,
the
ron
clark,
administration
and
and
mayor
tate's
administration.
I
I
felt
very
envious
working
for
a
city
like
the
gold
coast,
often
shortly
after
budgets
were
brought
down
and
we
would
receive
our
parks
budget.
I
would
get
calls
from
my
colleagues
from
other
park
agencies,
spitting
chips
over
the
phone
saying
ross.
I
can't
get
over
the
capital
works
program.
You
guys
are
about
to
embark
on.
I
can't
get
over
the
park
maintenance
budget
that
you
have
been
offered
to
care
and
maintain
for
the
parks
estate.
I
These
are
women
and
men
who
work
in
similar
local
authorities
that
were
hardly
had
enough
money
to
mow
up
at
their
city
ten
times
and
they
didn't
even
have
a
capital
works
budget
so
to
be
working
for
us
local
authorities
such
as
yourselves,
that
is
so
dedicated
to
its
parks
and
open
space
and
its
beaches.
It's
been
a
really
great.
I
It's
been
a
highlight
of
my
career
to
be
here,
the
other
one,
that
a
decision
that
council
made
a
few
years
back-
and
I
think,
was
one
of
the
best
decisions
councils
ever
made-
was
to
form
the
parks
and
recreational
services
branch
that
allowed
the
manager,
its
coordinators,
team
leaders
and
supervisors
to
really
focus
hard
on
parks
and
recreation.
I
Because,
prior
to
that,
we
were
throwing
quite
a
few
other
rats
and
mice
and
other
things
in
the
in
the
mix
to
deal
with.
And
so
it's
allowed
that
branch
to
evolve,
develop
and
put
together
a
really
good
team
of
professionals
and
skilled
staff,
and
you
know
and
they're
going
to
be
the
people
they're
going
to
take
the
the
reigns
and
the
batons
forward
as
we
go
forward.
I
I'd
like
to
thank
ron
jacobs
for
making
my
time
at
council
challenging
and
rewarding
and
tony
who
has
allowed
me
to
channel
my
efforts
on
the
biodiversity
centre.
In
the
last
months
of
my
my
time
here
with
council,
I
had
a
mentor
say
to
me
once
when
I
first
came
to
council
that
roster
working
for
the
gold
coast
city
council,
I
said
yeah
and
I
said
that's
a
pretty
progressive
pro
development
council.
I
I
said
yes,
yes,
I
believe
so,
and
he
said
you
will
be
challenged
so
much
on
the
by
the
the
impacts
that
may
occur
on
the
parks
and
open
space
estate,
and
I
sort
of
took
that
on
board,
and
I
offered
no
apology
to
officers
and
even
councillors,
where
occasionally
I've
said,
I'm
sorry.
I
can't
support
that
proposal.
I
If
I
felt
that
we
had
an
inverse
adverse
impact
on
our
parks
and
open
space
estate
that
I
knew
the
community
valued
and
cherished
I
I
you
will
you
probably
found
that
I
often
spoke
up
and
gave
you
my
advice
and
an
opinion
on
whether
something
was
good
for
the
city
or
otherwise?
So,
thank
you.
It's
been
a
a
great
gig.
It's
you
know,
10
years
in
forestry,
over
30
years
in
local
government
quarter
of
a
century
here
the
gold
coast-
and
it's
been
the
best
of
my
career.
A
Thank
thanks,
ross
and
yeah.
It's
never
been
lost
to
me.
You
had
the
most
fitting
name
for
any
city
officer
in
any
role.
Thank
you
for
your
service
and
congratulations.
Thank
you,
mr
chair.
Can.
A
H
Just
as
a
past,
chair
of
this
committee,
I
just
wanted
to
give
my
my
personal
thanks
to
you
ross
too,
for
all
you've
done.
I
mean
you
just
heard
the
words
of
a
very
passionate
man,
they're,
very
passionate
about
what
he's
what
he
does.
You
know
he
loves
what
he
does
and
and
the
great
thing
and
ross
just
spoke
about
this.
H
Is
you
never
have
to
die
wondering
what
you
think
you're
always
very,
very
up
front
and
and
tell
us
exactly
what
you
think
which
for
me
I
appreciate
because
I
like
to
know
where
I
am
with
people,
but
you've
always
done
it
in
the
right
way.
There's
it's.
It's
always
been
done
with
with
with
great
dignity
and
and
and
that's
the
word,
I'm
looking
for
intact
and
you
certainly
will
be
missed.
H
You
know
your
knowledge,
and
just
your
passion
for
for
the
city
is,
is
something
we're
all
I'm
sure
highly
appreciative
of,
so
thanks
very
much
mate,
so
yeah.
Thank
you.
A
C
So,
given
that,
given
the
council
resolution,
we
could
say
pertaining
to
rather
than
on
pertaining
to
396
stanmore
road
yatler,
a
further
report
be
brought
back
by
march
2023
in
relation
to
the
relocation
of
the
oxenfield
pony
club
and
opportunities
for
equestrian
uses
within
the
city,
so
moved.
A
B
I
Through
you,
mr
chair,
yes
counselor,
it
does
so
it's
part
of
that
whole
project
that
we
were
doing
so.
The
first
aspect
of
this
was
to
look
at
the
oxford
pony
club
in
the
first
instance
with
other
equestrian
users,
following
now
with
this
resolution,
we'll
we'll
just
take
some
time
to
go
and
look
at
some
potential
other
locations,
but
it
is
a
whole
of
sport.
Investigation.
B
So
just
got
it
clear.
I
fully
support
councillor
gates's
passion
and
commitment
to
the
oxford
pony
club
and
want
to
make
sure
that
report
comes
back.
Are
these
going
to
be
two
separate
reports?
My
understanding
of
that
broader
whole
of
city
question
report
is
that
actually
was
going
to
include
each
pony
club
and
equestrian
community
group
as
stakeholders,
and
they
may
have
formed
part
of
that
bigger
report
as
well.
I
Through
you,
mr
chair,
no
it'll
be
just
it'll,
be
the
same
report,
the
one
report.
It
won't
necessarily
address
every
single
equestrian
group,
but
it
will
look
at
where
we've
started
looking
at
some
rationalization
and
the
best
case
for
it
and
a
couple
of
groups
that
don't
have
a
home.
There
are
two
very
large
groups
that
don't
have
a
home.
Currently
it'll
all
be
part
of
that
project.
So
now
this
is.
This
is
essentially
just
moving
a
time
frame.