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A
B
Yeah
I
need
6.1,
6.2
and
6.3
and
stud.
Please,
chairman
6.1
relates
to
BC
Curry,
who
donated
to
my
2008
and
2011
campaigns
on
that
one.
It's
for
a
thousand
dollars
in
2008
and
4170
in
2011.
B
C
A
Someone
like
a
second
that
second
by
Council
on
Jones,
we'll
take
the
vote.
We'll
call
it
Vision
all
in
favor,
Council
Hamill,
councilor,
Aaron,
Jones,
Council,
padian,
Council,
Ball,
State,
councilor,
Paul
and
Young
councilor,
O'neil,
Council,
Caldwell
against
and
Council
Gates
did
not
vote
any
others
on.
C
B
I
have
two
declarations,
one
of
which
is
a
prescribed
interest,
so
that
means
I'm
out.
So
the
Declarations
are
that
UPS
is
the
town
planning
consultant
and
they
provided
me
in
2014
1850
in
2015,
1850
and
1850
and
2016,
which
was
refunded
in
full
but
I'm,
leaving
the
room
due
to
a
prescribed
interest
with
the
other
consultant
on
the
project.
Arcadis
Who
provided
eighteen
hundred
and
fifty
dollars
in
2015
and
one
of
their
employees,
Mitchell
Bray,
donated
in
2014
nineteen
hundred
and
fifty
dollars
and
in
2016
two
thousand
five
hundred
dollars.
A
C
Vorster,
thank
you.
Mr
chairman
I
assembly
will
be
leaving
the
room
voluntarily
for
6.2
I
want
to
bring
to
the
room's
attention
that
a
reasonable
person
may
form
the
view
that
I
have
an
interest
in
this
decision.
Given
that
my
father-in-law
lives
in
an
apartment
at
the
adjacent
site
and
the
body,
sorry
councilor.
A
C
One
6.2,
okay,
yep,
thank
you,
so
reasonable
person
may
form
the
view.
I
have
an
interest
in
this
matters.
My
father-in-law
lives
in
an
apartment
in
the
adjacent
property,
the
body
corporate
of
which
has
previously
made
submissions
into
development
outcomes
at
other
adjacent
sites,
I'll
be
leaving
the
room.
B
Declarations
are
exactly
as
they
were
for
6.2,
with
donations
from
UPS
and
arcadis
the
arcadis
one
representing
a
prescribed
interest.
Do
you
want
me
to
read
the
amounts
to
the
meeting
again
chairman.
B
A
Thank
you
we'll
just
deal
with
the
confirmation
of
the
minutes,
which
is
item
three
and
remains
starred.
So
it's
something
like
to
move
that
move
by
Council,
Peter
Young.
Second,
by
councilor,
Paul
and
Young.
A
D
In
regards
to
that,
so
when
we
dealt
with
the
Southport
matter
and
the
CBD,
so
these
minutes
hadn't
haven't
been
because
of
the
plane
passing
haven't
been
resolved.
There
was
the
wording
that
we
ended
up
using
was
quite
wasn't
Direct,
so
it
was
on
page
60.
D
D
A
I,
don't
have
the
original
agenda
recommendation
with
me
yeah,
but
I
thought
we
had
predominantly
removed.
Something
from
that
paragraph.
Correct
and
I
can't
remember
whether
this
is
accurate
as
a
result
or
not.
If
it's
not,
then
we
should
check
that
between
now
and
full
Council
yeah,
so
so.
D
E
Through
the
chair,
so
the
discussion
last
committee
meeting
really
focused
around
a
broader
representation
of
government
there.
So
it
was
really
just
to
reflect
that
you
know
it
was
all
levels
of
government.
We
should
be
supporting
be
attracted
to
the
CBD.
E
A
A
A
A
F
Taser
yeah,
so
something
to
go.
I
became
aware
of
this
application
and
the
council
officers
had
briefed
me
on
it
and
I'd
expressed
quite
a
number
of
concerns
about
a
number
of
particulars
in
the
application
and
and
fundamentally
I,
think,
there's
a
perception
in
in
Hinterland
communities
that
that
some
of
this
continual
subdivision
of
acreage
Lots
into
smaller
one
acre
lots
in
certain
locations
is
not
appropriate
and
in
even
in
a
in
a
in
a
lot
not
far
away
from
here.
F
In
fact,
just
to
the
immediate
East
there
was
lots
of
environmental
conditions
applied
to
a
particular
application
for
a
two-lot
subdivision,
maybe
12
18
months
ago,
and
some
of
the
issues
with
this
lot.
You
know
there
was
a
bit
of
conjecture
in
the
community
about
certain
conditions
not
being
being
applied
on
one
application
and
not
other
applications.
So
you
know
that
it's
raised
the
community
are
in
this
particular
instance.
F
The
main
issue
that
I
had
was
that
the
access
easement
effectively
operates
like
a
council
road,
where
what
is
going
to
ultimately
happen
is
somewhere
in
the
vicinity
of
12
to
16
properties
will
feed
into
this.
What
is
effectively
an
access
easement
and
the
way
that
it
looks
on
a
map
is
it
looks
like
six
driveways,
but
it's
technically,
not
six
driveways.
It's
one
shared
road.
That
is
not
a
council
road
that
is
not
a
body
corporate
asset.
F
It's
effectively
any
agreement,
an
access,
easement
agreement
that
that
that
is
going
to
ultimately
be
informally,
utilized
by
16
properties,
not
all
of
whom
are
party
to
those
agreements
and
that's
creates
a
problem
in
for
my
office
because,
often
when
something
goes
down
that
people
aren't
happy
with
they'll
call
the
divisional
counselor.
F
The
main
reason
I
wanted
to
be
here
today
and
say
is
that
is
that
when
I
raised
a
lot
of
those
issues,
you
know
Philip
and
Brennan
and
and
Roger,
and
the
team
worked
really
hard
to
not
only
answer
my
queries
but
meet
me
on
site
that
brought
a
team
of
people
on
site
out
to
talk
about
some
of
these
issues,
and
we
talked
pretty
frankly
about
them
and
I'm
really
happy
that
the
report
you've
seen
today
has
incorporated
quite
a
lot
of
the
conditions
that
we
talked
about
in
that
meeting
and
summarily
one
of
the
things
which
was
a
little
bit
outside
the
box
was
that
we
want
to
make
sure
that
every
new
owner
of
a
property
or
a
lot
in
that
area
has
if,
if
any
person,
purchase
or
entity
purchases,
a
property,
there's
a
note
on
Property
Services.
F
You
know
like
an
encumbrance
that
notifies
them,
that
the
the
access
easement
is
privately
owned
and
must
be
privately
contributed
for
the
maintenance.
So
there's
no
person
who
could
buy
a
property
say
well.
We
didn't
know
that
that
that's
not
something
that
commonly
happens,
but
we've
been
able
to
condition
that,
through
the
council,
offices,
diligence
and
and
and
accommodation
of
what
I
think
are
really
practical.
F
Considerations
for
a
future
division
account
right
now
the
the
road
looks
good,
it's
recently
been
resurfaced
privately
funded
and
it
looks
fantastic,
but
in
10
years
time
I'm,
probably
not
going
to
be
the
counselor
and
some
other
divisional
counselor
who's
going
to
get.
These
calls
from
people
saying
Council
hasn't
fixed
the
road
or
the
potholes,
and
it's
actually
a
privately
owned
road,
so
making
sure
that
any
future
property
owner
gets
those
notifications
in
there
and
I
suppose
I'd
flag
with
other
councilors.
F
When
this
sort
of
thing
comes
up,
you
know
asking
for
this
sort
of
condition.
I
think
actually
makes
some
practical
sense,
so
the
public
can
have
confidence
when
a
road
is
being
maintained
by
Council
or
is
actually
a
private
asset
that
they
actually
need
to
budget
for
an
account
for
the
other
thing
that
was
a
real
concern
is
that
the
road
when
you
look
at
on
a
map
like
I,
said
it
looks
like
six
driveways,
but
it
effectively
operates.
F
Like
a
you
know,
a
standard
Council
wrote
entering
onto
wrong
road
is
a
busy
State
Road
and
is
not
well
lit
the
reality.
It's
rural
main
road
and
this
particular
corner
has
some
blind
corners
and
there's
a
condition
in
the
in
the
application
here
that
we've
we've
talked
about
that
talks
about
one
property
owner
being
responsible
for
a
light
that
lights
that
what
is
effectively
operating
like
an
intersection.
It's
not
really
a
driveway.
F
It's
actually
really
operating
like
an
intersection
and
by
obligating
one
property
owner
to
manage
that
and
giving
Council
the
head
of
power
to
be
able
to
say
well,
actually
that's
a
condition
of
approval
and
that's
an
obligation
that
you
have
as
that
particular
property
owner.
They
will
be
required
to
manage
that
for
the
safety
of
both
the
users
of
Wrong,
Way
Road,
and
also
the
16
Property
Owners
rate
payers
that
that
use
the
access
road
they're,
probably
the
two
things
that
I
wanted
to
raise
today.
F
These
are
out
of
the
box
solutions
that
Council
officers
worked
hard
with
with
my
office
to
try
to
implement
as
part
of
the
conditions
they
weren't
part
of
the
original
conditions
package,
I'm,
really
glad
that
they've
been
Incorporated
and
for
the
information
of
other
councilors
who
have
rural
divisions.
These
sorts
of
conditions,
I
think
really
do
need
to
be
considered
when
we
have
these
sort
of
subdivisions
acreage
subdivisions
in
rural
residential
zones.
D
Can
I
just
ask
a
question
in
regards
to
the
identifying
it
as
a
private
road?
What
signage
does
it
have
and
it
might
be
in
the
conditions
package,
but
does
it
have
a
sign
that
says
Private
Road.
E
Yeah
through
Mr
chair,
there
is
a
sign
located
at
the
front,
fronting
we're
Hungary
road
that
has
Private
Road
written
on
it
existing
at
the
moment.
D
And
would
there
be
any
Merit
in
maybe
not
at
the
at
the
front
of
the
at
the
private
road
adjacent
to
warangary
but
further
into
the
road
where
it
should
only
be
the
16
people
that
may
access
it
actually
I
having
an
additional
sign
that
a
reinforces
that
it's
a
private
road
but
B
actually
confirmed
there'll,
be
a
a
parent
lot.
That
is
actually
the
holder
of
the
land
that
that
is.
The
the
contact
should
be
made
to
that
owner.
Regarding
issues
with
the
road.
F
I'm,
not
sure
if
that's
a
deliverable
condition,
I
wanted
to
clarify
just
getting
these
other
things
that
were
just
said:
I
use
the
I
use
the
number
16
properties
there's
not
currently
16
properties,
but
having
for
knowledge
of
some
of
the
applications
that
are
pending,
it
appears
that
there
might
end
up
being
that
there's
not
16
on
the
map
right
now
and
it's
not
16
people
accessing
the
property
right
now,
but
my
expectation
is
that,
based
on
the
the
pending
applications
that
are
expected
to
come
plus
the
accesses
that
are
informal
and
not
currently
mapped
I
expect
there
to
be
16.
D
The
moment
I
I
think
it's
about
anybody
in
the
future
being
not
being
able
to
say
that
they
didn't
read
it
on
the
rights
notice
or
but
it's
that
visual
I
think
it's
that
visual
reference
point
in
the
middle
of
the
easement.
That
might
be
useful
because
we
can't
undo
what's
happened
historically,
so
we
can't
body
corporate,
but
but
it
may
very
well
be
a
limited
amount
of
signage.
Midway
up
may
help
identify
clarify
that
it
it
that
it
is
a
private
road
that
requires
maintenance,
not
by
the
council.
G
Mr
chair,
if
you
look
at
page
79
and
the
the
second
photo,
the
bottom
photo
halfway
down
the
driveways
the
low
point
and
there's
there's
a
there's,
a
Watercourse
that
runs
through
there
and
there's
a
bridge.
So
if
you
did
want
signage,
it's
probably
more
more
practical
like
just
before
the
bridge,
because
it
is
like
a
pinch
point
and
having
having
vehicular
access
past.
That
or
on
it
is
could
lead
to
conflict.
But
I.
Think
if
that's
the
logical
place,
if
you're
going
to
have
a
sign
and.
F
To
be
fair,
that's
not
a
bad
idea,
because
the
bridge
itself
floods,
the
bridge
itself,
Mr
chair
both
floods
and
is
still
a
private.
That's
not
a
council
asset
for
the
bridge,
either
so
they're
responsible.
The
collective
interest
is
the
bridge
and
the
road
and
is
it
is
not
an
ideal
development
outcome.
But
the
advice
I've
had
from
offices
is
that
there
really
isn't
a
city
plan
mechanism
for
us
to
support
refusal.
So
we
need
to
come
up
with
mitigating
conditions
that
enable
Property
Owners
to
understand
their
obligations.
B
B
Mean
access
roads
like
this
I
know
of
one
at
Willow
veiled
and
it's
it.
The
the
residential
addresses
are
Sunnyside
Lane,
it's
called
Sunnyside
Lane,
and
then
it
has
a
blade
on
that
street
name,
which
indicates
it's
a
private
private
road.
So
it's
clear
from
the
outset
that
it's
got
a
name,
but
it's
a
private
road
do
do
we
have
a
policy
on
whether
we
can
name
these
private
access
roads
or
not
through.
G
A
That's
Roger,
just
in
relation
to
the
bridge,
so
there's
we've
conditioned
Road
widening
through
a
portion
of
the
road
down
the
bottom
end,
shall
we
say:
did
we
didn't
require
any
widening
of
the
bridge
and
so
we're
expecting
a
give
Way
Type
Arrangement,
which
is
probably
happening
at
the
moment
informally?
Did
we
condition
signage
In?
This
passage
through.
G
A
D
Chairman
so
I'm,
looking
at
page
80
in
the
first
image,
which
shows
that
Waterway
Crossing
and
my
concern
is
about
accessing
them
for
emergency
services.
You
know
fire
brigade,
trucks
and
things
like
that
is
the
owner
required
to
maintain
that
bridge
to
a
certain
standard
of
load
bearing
please,
because
if
you
get
a
tanker
over
there,
it's
going
to
weigh
a
lot
and
probably
more
than
a
small
structure
would
normally
be
able
to
handle.
G
A
H
I'd
be
happy
to
see
that
going.
Mr
chairman
apologies,
I'm
just
wondering
on
the
Emergency
Services
Point,
not
on
the
load
rating,
the
bridge,
but
just
about
the
question
about
of
Roger's
point
that
emergency
services
would
find
it
difficult.
Possibly
of
you
can't
put
it
into
a
mapping
system
and
it
would
be
on
the
state-controlled
section.
I
guess
up
the
top,
but
should
there
be
some
kind
of
signage
or
numbering
system
up
the
top
to
help
emergency
services
that
it
like
just
something
up,
the
top
that
they
could
reference.
A
So
I
I
don't
know
if
it's
something
we
could
or
should
do
today,
but
I
would
say
that
Council
Ties
That
might
want
to
investigate.
There
is
a
road
Reserve
that
runs
parallel
to
this,
which
we
could
name
now.
The
alignment
of
the
road
is
not
sitting
neatly
on
any
of
the
easements
or
on
the
public
road
Reserve,
but
we
could
theoretically
name
name
the
road
potentially
Mick.
I
D
H
Even
I
was
even
going
to
suggest,
like
we've
got
time
before
full
Council,
if,
if
officers
wanted
to
come
up
with
an
option
to
add
in
at
full
Council
just
something
that
being
from
a
rural
area,
I
know
how
important
it
is
for
ambulance
and
fire
services
to
be
able
to
identify
properties
quickly,
and
it
is
difficult
to
put
it
into
a
map
and
get
them
the
shop.
Sometimes
so,
I
think
anything
that
could
be
done
just
to
help
give
an
indication
of
that.
H
F
F
Extend
you
know,
the
advice
I've
got
is
that
it
can't
be
refused,
and
it's
not
necessarily
practical
to
do
so.
So
these
sort
of
things
I
think,
are
really
good
additions
to
the
conditions
package
to
make
sure
that
the
property
owner
understands
the
complexity
of
subdivisions
in
places
like
this
and
honestly
to
set
a
precedent
for
other
rural
areas
like
councilor
Hamill's
area,
or
you
know,
Council
Owen,
Jones,
anyone
who's
got
or
Council
O'neill,
and
you
know
to
anyone.
Who's
got
a
rural
residential
area
needs
to
be
aware
of.
F
A
A
A
H
If
you
use
one
more
quickly,
I
didn't
CL
I
didn't
want
to
close
in
that
one
I
just
wanted
to
make
the
comment
that
and
it's
something
I
heard
Council
the
toes
to
say,
but
it
was
obvious
from
reading
that
report
and
the
discussion
that
councilor
toes
is
raised
up
on
that
last
item
that
that
had
been
a
really
good
collaboration
between
officers
and
the
counselor
to
deal
with
some
issues
like
when
you
read
the
report
and
then
hearing
councilor
toes
comments.
So
I
just
thought:
I
wanted
to
put
it
on
the
record.
H
A
Yeah
all
right
that
was
in
the
same
book
all
right.
Let's
move
on
to
item
six
points.
You
all
know
what
we
meant
too
yeah
use
6.2
now
did
we
want
a
presentation
on
this
or
happy
to
let
it
okay,
someone
like
to
move
the
recommendation
moved
by
councilor
O'neill,
second
of
our
councilor
Paul
and
Young.
J
Thank
you
look
not
only
this
item,
but
the
next
item
coming
along
is
a
couple
of
smaller
type
developments
in
our
area.
That,
in
my
view,
are
close
to
being
really
good
developments
for
our
particular
area.
Obviously
we're
unlimited
and
and
no
height
limits
and
we've
always
got
the
challenge
of
some
of
the
bigger
developments
on
the
smaller
blocks,
but
this
one
in
particular
and-
and
we
will
talk
to
the
next
one-
are
examples
of
smaller
blocks
in
our
division.
J
That
developers
are
looking
to
put
some
sort
of
development
on
that
particular
site,
and
we
always
understand
performance
outcome
is
always
a
challenge
for
our
officers
and
I.
Do
want
to
thank
Lara
and
Caitlin
for
meeting
us
on
site
and
walking
through
it.
But
performance
outcome
is
based
on
I,
say
it's
a
it's
a
word:
we've
got
no
strict
requirements
to
actually
hold
on
to
and
I
think
the
smaller
developments
performance
outcome.
J
This
gives
us
the
ability
to
actually
get
smaller,
better
type
developments
in
some
of
Tighter
and
and
challenging
sites
and
I
think
these
two
sites,
but
we'll
talk
about
this
particular
site
at
the
time
I
felt
could
have
been
a
very
good
development
for
that
particular
block.
We
had
a
small
block
in
between
two
current
developments,
so
there
was
no
opportunity
of
Redevelopment
of
that
area.
It's
a
Thai
Terrier
anyway,
so
the
challenges
for
transport
in
that
particular
site
is
going
to
be
always
a
challenge
for
any
type
of
development.
J
J
Is
your
large
wheelie
bins
that
will
the
large
skip
bins
that
will
go
out
the
front
compared
to
having
15,
20
wheelie
beans
out
the
front
as
well
is,
is
too
cosmetic
challenges
that
we
do
have
been
in
the
city,
so
I
just
really
felt
this
development
was
very
close
and-
and
we
just
want
to
make
sure
that
as
much
as
there's
times,
where
we're
fighting
for
big
developments
on
small
blocks,
these
two
opportunities,
these
two
type
developments-
are
developments.
J
I
think
it
worked
for
both
of
us
to
to
understand
the
challenges
of
the
area,
but
this
particular
site
that
you
see
on
the
Gold,
Coast,
Highway
or
service
Paradise
Boulevard
is
between
two
current
developments.
There's.
No.
The
impact
of
that
particular
site
is
no
different
to
any
other
impact
of
any
development
in
division.
10.
Currently,
so
I
did
see
potential
in
this
site
as
being
a
opportunity
of
the
development
of
this
particular
size.
J
K
And
some
of
what
councilor
Taylor
has
spoken
to
is
that
it's
it's
a
good
looking
designers
presents
well,
but
there
was
significant
issues
brought
up
during
the
report
and
I
think
the
one
for
for
myself
and
I'm
sure
some
of
the
other
councilors
is
with
that
increased
intensity.
K
It
compromises,
pedestrian
and
vehicular
safety
within
that
area,
and-
and
we
are
a
city-
that's
growing,
very
very
rapidly-
and
to
to
increase
the
intensity
on
the
site
of
this
site
where
it
actually
starts
to
compromise
the
safety
of
the
people
that
live
within
the
area,
the
people
that
are
traveling
through
that
area
plus
the
flow
of
the
traffic
and
that
I
think
it's
something
that
we
we
need
to
be
aware
of
going
forward.
K
It's
a
I
think
it's
a
435
square
meter
side
or
something
so
with
this,
and
it
presents
well
and
I
would
say
on
a
bigger
block
of
land
or
in
a
a
a
an
area.
Where
that
we
could
have
better
setbacks
and
that,
where
better
pedestrian
and
vehicular
safety
presented
itself,
then
it
could
have
been
something
could
have
been
supported.
But
as
is
now
it's
it's
there's
too
many
issues.
There.
A
Thank
you.
Anyone
else
want
to
speak
for
against.
Well,
that's
well
happy
with
that
being
closed,
councilor
O'neill
right,
we'll
take
the
vote.
All
in
favor
against
carried
about
6.3
Council
tires.
Are
you
going
to
grab?
Oh
sorry,
you're
gonna
grab
Council
of
also.
Are
you
doing
something
else?
Okay,
oh,
do
you
want
to
grab
Council
of
also
for
me,
please.
A
Yeah
all
right,
councilors
excuse
me
item
6.3,
welcome
back
Council
vorster!
Thank
you!
Mr
chairman.
A
J
Thank
you
and
I
just
mentioned
again
a
lot
along
the
lines
of
the
previous
development,
another
opportunity
of
a
smaller
style
block,
with
a
a
reasonable
intensity
building
for
that
particular
area.
I
do
take
consideration.
J
There
are
other
other
developments
in
the
area
that
could
assist
a
block
like
this
to
be
Amalgamated
but
I
think
the
challenge
that
was
previously
mentioned
on
the
last
item
of
traffic
transport
in
relation
to
larger
developments,
our
services
is
always
going
to
be
a
challenge
anywhere
in
the
city
and
again
this
for
me,
is
for
some
of
these
smaller
blocks
a
a
good
opportunity
for
a
good
small
development
in
the
city
as
we
grow,
and
it
gives
a
different
feel
for
the
city.
J
Instead
of
large
intents,
all,
the
time
it
does
have
helpers,
give
the
ability
to
break
up
certain
areas
to
to
give
a
bit
more
of
a
spacious
feel,
but
it
was
again
a
development
and
I'm
hoping
moving
forward.
We
can
work
with
the
applicant
to
get
an
outcome
down
the
track
because
he's
still
got
the
opportunity
to
to
develop
something
there,
but
again
it's
an
opportunity.
These
smaller
blocks,
with
a
less
intense
building
and
the
challenge
for
any
development
will
always
be
our
servicing
and
our
parking.
J
Sorry,
our
parking
and
traffic
management,
but
we've
seen
many
other
applications.
That's
come
to
council,
where
we've
been
able
to
coming
out
get
an
outcome
in
all
these
areas
to
have
larger
developments
built.
So
thank
you.
H
Question
Mr
chair
just
noting
on
page
280
that
it
discusses
the
information
request
that
was
given
to
the
applicant,
where
I
think
it
might
have
been
suggested
for
the
second
time
that
they
needed
to
reduce
the
building
to
four
stories.
To
get
support
on
that
part
in
the
information
request
or
in
previous
meetings,
was
a
discussion
about
the
setback
side
as
well,
or
was
it
just
that
if
they
came
in
the
four
stories
would
be
closer
to
something
that
could
be
possibly
accepted?.
I
Through
the
chair,
through
the
information
request,
both
setbacks
and
height
of
the
building
were
raised
as
issues
through
the
assessment
for
the
setbacks,
as
currently
proposed.
A
height
of
around
four
stories
would
have
been
considered
more
appropriate
in
this
location.
Yep.
A
It's
like
Cancer's
eye
when
I
first
moved
to
the
Gold.
Coast
I
lived
directly
opposite
this
particular
site,
so
I
know
the
street
well
and
I'm.
Just
speaking
in
reference
to
the
earlier
matter,
I'm
probably
I
was
probably
more
inclined
to
support
the
approval
of
the
intense
form
of
development,
where
there's
no
ability
for
redevelopment
on
the
tennis
court
in
the
car
park
next
door,
but
in
this
particular
Street
there's
a
two
meter.
Setback
for
a
height
of
30
meters
is
going
to
significantly
impact
the
future
development
of
the
sites
of
Jason
and
I.
A
H
Make
an
interest
I
I
point
Mr,
chair
that,
while
we
have
a
Performance
Based
planning
scheme
doesn't
allow
for
prohibitive.
You
know
to
prohibit
outcomes.
For
me,
there's
a
real!
This
is
a
really
good
example
in
these
two
of
where,
where
you
can't
have
prescriptive
outcomes,
where
things
like
height
limits
and
setback
requirements
and
sticking
to
the
line
actually
delivers,
what
we
would
want.
Okay,
that
yeah,
while
both
these
have
gone
through
a
refusal
because
they've
gone
for
a
little
bit
too
much
without
being
prescriptive.
H
A
C
Thank
you
Mr
chairman,
not
General
business,
but
through
you
to
the
director
I'd
I'd
love
an
opportunity
to
receive
a
some
information
from
City
officers
if
they
have
it
to
hand
up
through
their
industry
connections
or
just
professional
experience
around
the
the
way.
Other
local
government
areas
in
southeast
Queensland
manage
the
issue
of
mapped
height,
in
other
words,
in
areas
like
Palm
Beach,
for
example,
and
others.
C
C
I
just
want
to
wrap
my
head
around
why
it
is.
This
is
just
my
perception
that
here
on
the
Gold
Coast,
we
seem
to
generate
a
lot
of
community
angst
around
the
application
of
that
handbrake,
but
in
other
local
government
areas
they
do
not
and
I
just
wonder
whether
other
local
government
areas
have
a
way
of
managing
Community
expectations
around
height,
because
of
the
way
that
their
planning
scheme
is
structured
in
a
way
that
we
do
not
structure
our
planning
scheme
here.
C
A
Sorry,
the
mic
wasn't
working
was
it
no
Council
of
also
was
just
basically
saying
we
have
the
50
uplift
test,
which
is
intended
to
provide
a
ceiling
for
our
building
Heights.
What
are
some
of
the
other
models
that
are
used
in
other
local
governments
and
how
are
they
managing
Community
expectation
around
impact
assessment
that
goes
above
the
map
type,
for
example?
A
J
Taylor
yeah
and
I
just
for
me,
the
officers
do
a
great
job.
The
amount
of
developments
come
through
our
division
is
it's
a
testament
to
what
they
actually
do
in
the
work
they
do,
but
they
do
have
that
challenge.
The
challenge
is
how
what
setback
do
you
have
compared
to
height
and
the
size
of
the
blocks,
and
we
don't.
That
is
a
challenge
we
have
with
any
of
them.
So
we've
all
seen.
J
Applications
come
to
council
where
we're
talking
about
a
higher
limit,
which
is
unlimited,
which
is
great,
but
we're
talking
about
the
setbacks,
but
the
challenge
we
always
have,
whether
it's
for
offices
or
whether
it's
going
to
the
planning
Court,
there's
nothing
to
actually
talk
about
what
our
setbacks
need
to
be
in
relation
to
a
related
height
and
I.
Think
it's
a
it's
something
that
this
it
would
help
the
city
and
particularly
our
offices,
to
have
a
clearer
line
in
that
space.
Moving
forward
at
some
point,
I.
C
Like
Mr
chairman,
it
could
be
that
we
can
overcome
this
issue
of
managing
Community
expectations
just
by
changing
the
labels
that
apply
on
the
maps.
You
know
whether
it's
you
know,
what's
the
height
limit
8
to
12,
which
considers
the
the
50
now
that's
probably
a
very
blunt
way
of
doing
it,
because
it
creates
a
suggestion
that
maybe
12
is
the
Baseline
but
I
think
if
there
was
some
way
of
incorporating
that
second
figure
or
noting
the
50
into
the
maps
or
the
interactive
mapping
platform.
That
would
be
very,
very
useful.
C
But,
quite
apart
from
that,
I've
I've
got
questions
around
whether
the
50
uplift
model
is
the
correct
one,
and
it
could
be
that
it
is
the
very
best
approach
in
southeast
Queensland,
but
I
can't
make
that
judgment,
call
without
understanding
how
Redlands
or
Morton
or
or
even
how
Brisbane
applied
and
I
read
an
article
in
the
Brisbane
times
recently
about
how
a
development
was
supported
by
that
Council
over
and
above
the
mapped
height,
and
it
was
almost
like
a
landmark
decision
from
my
reading
and
recollection
because
the
Brisbane
Council
was
satisfied
that
that
development
ticked
very,
very
stringent
tests
around
being
a
landmark,
spectacular
type
development
to
justify
the
50
increase.
C
So
if
there
are
other
local
government
areas
that
take
the
same
50
uplift
approach,
I
would
also
be
interested
to
see
what
their
tests
look
like.
In
order
to
justify
the
uplift
again,
it
could
be
that
we
have
the
best
approach
in
southeast
Queensland
I'm,
not
saying
that
we
don't
but
I'd
like
to
know
what
the
competing
models
are,
because
plainly,
the
community
feel
as
though
there
is
no
certainty.
C
We
believe
that
there
is
because
we
understand
the
planning
rules,
but
if
there
is
a
better
way
of
explaining
it
or
a
different
model,
we
can
take.
Maybe
it's
something
we
should
be
contemplating
after
the
state
government
finally
gets
around
to
ticking
off
on
Amendment
package,
two
three
four
and
five.
I
Chair
yeah
I'll
just
take
up
where
Council
of
Worcester
left
off
going
back
to
when
there
was
a
draft
City
plan
did
any
of
the
community
groups
that
made
submissions
into
the
the
city.
The
draft
City
plan
questioned
the
50
uplift,
or
did
they
was
there
a
sort
of
a
general
acceptance,
because
what
I
see
now
is
those
particular
groups
are
actually
aiding
and
abetting
the
residents
to
believe
that
we
are
approving
developments
outside
of
the
city
plan.
So
I'm
just
wondering
I,
don't
know
if
you
can
remember
back
to
2015,
but
what.
A
The
historical
part
that
I
think
is
important
to
note
is
that
we're
at
the
end
of
a
very
old
or
relatively
old
planning
scheme.
So
it
was
the
2003
scheme
that
had
been
amended
multiple
times
so
by
2015.
It
was
12
years
old
and
we
were
seeing
case
after
case
after
case
where
the
mapped
height
was
being
exceeded
in
an
impact
assessment,
for
example,
and
the
heights
were
10
stories
in
a
three
stories.
A
Aren't
now
we
as
a
council
at
the
time
felt
there
needed
to
be
something
done
in
order
to
provide
certainty
to
both
the
community
and
the
development
sector,
and
because
you
can't
in
planning,
haven't
outright
prohibition.
We
had
to
come
up
with
and
develop
a
particular
set
of
parameters
around
how
we
could
have
flexibility,
and
so
that
was
the
basis
of
the
test.
J
Council
Tyler
and
I
just
want
to
reinforce
the
education
side
of
it
that
really
been
a
big
part
of
educating
the
public.
Is
we
have
a
city
plan
where
we
have
our
requirements?
State
legislation
which
affects
the
whole.
This
of
the
state,
is
a
performance
outcome
that
we
have
no
power
on
and
by
having
the
50
uplift.
This
is
the
city's
way
of
controlling
it
as
councilor
Caldwell
just
mentioned,
and
I.
Don't
think
that
a
lot
of
the
residents
actually
understand
the
performance
outcome
is
out
of
our
hands.
J
It's
a
safe
estate
regulation,
but
we
have
put
some
powers
in
to
manage
that
height
limit.
J
So
it
again
I
think
the
ability
to
actually
say
what
our
height
limit
could
be
is
a
a
way
that
we
could
sell
it
as
a
city,
a
challenge
I
have.
Obviously
my
division
is
obviously
unlimited,
so
I
don't
have
the
50
up
left
and
then
we
have
the
size
of
blocks
lands
and
the
setbacks
that
talk
to
it.
Sorry,.
C
Mr,
chairman
I
can't
quite
recall,
but
if
the
article
somewhat
suggests
that
it
was
not
unprecedented,
but
it
wasn't
if,
if
the
article
suggests
it
was
somewhat
of
an
extraordinary
decision
that
relied
on
the
architectural
Merit
that
it
very
well
could
be
that
article.
You
know:
I
was
speaking
with
City
officers
before
and
reflecting
on.
What
I
feel
was
an
absurd
decision.
C
Sorry
I'll
withdraw
that
comment.
I
was
reflecting
on
council's
decision
to
support
a
development
in
Varsity
Lakes,
which
I
won't
name
where
they,
the
applicant
successfully
argued
for
this
increase
in
height
right,
based
on
an
approval
for
what
had
been
granted
below,
and
that
was
effectively
in
the
course
of
that
debate.
No
limit
to
what
that
applicant
could
have
achieved.
C
We've
had
a
similar
case
in
Robina,
where
there's
effectively
a
height
of
eight
stories,
but
an
applicant
has
used
that
to
Lodge
and
development
for
214
story,
towers
and
I'm
just
really
concerned
that
we
don't
have
the
correct
language
or
Community
understanding
to
in
order
to
defend
those
decisions.
So
it
could
be
education.
J
We
have
actually
listened
to
the
state
government
and
given
them
a
city
plan
that
we
believe
meets
the
city's
requirements
and
until
they
approve
it,
we
can't
consider
anything
else
and
I
think
we,
as
a
city
have
done
our
job
and
it's
up
to
the
state
government
start
doing
their
job
and
least
approving
what
we've
done.
The
work
in
the
and
the
two
three
years
period
of
time,
so
that
we
can
continually
keep
improving
the
city
plan
to
meet
the
state
requirements
and
to
keep
commit
and
meet
the
community
expectations.