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A
So
we've
got
start
items.
Confirmation
of
minutes
are
there
any
other
start
items
that
anyone
wants
to
unstar
councillor
vorster.
B
Mr
chairman,
just
on
6.2,
I
think
productive
gold
coast
has
some
input
from
bond
university
and
griffith,
and
what
have
you
I
haven't
made
a
declaration
in
the
past
concerning
this?
Is
you
know?
I
don't
view
that
there's
any
interest
that
my
wife
has
in
the
outcomes
of
this
report,
so
I
just
want
to
flag
that
if
anyone
has
an
issue,
I
suppose
we
can
deal
with
it.
Otherwise
we
can
leave
that
start.
B
C
D
Mr
chairman,
one
of
either
six
point
five
six
point:
six
six
point:
seven
six
point:
eight
or
six
point:
nine,
I'm
just
wondering
the
officers
have
got
a
presentation,
a
very
quick
presentation,
but
I'm
not
sure
on
which
actual
one
of
those
are
planning
on
doing
it
on.
Do
we
no
doesn't
matter,
then,
if
we
can
unstar
6.5
and
the
rest
can
remain
starred.
A
D
A
It's
green
and
blue
okay
going
well
with
the
stars.
A
So,
let's
move
the
confirmation
minutes
as
a
start
item
6.3.
As
a
start
item,
did
we
want
a
star
6.4?
Did
anyone
have
any
questions
about
that?
6.4,
floodplain,
yeah,
tlpi,
continuation.
A
B
B
C
Okay
declaration
in
relation
to
6.2
place
design
is
the
consultant
appointed
by
council
for
the
policy
preparation
on
productive
gold
coast.
I
received
fourteen
hundred
and
ten
dollars
in
2011
1850
in
2014
and
1850
and
2016,
which
was
refunded
in
full
I'd
like
to
remain
in
the
room
and
participate
in
the
debate.
I've
had
no
contact
with
the
consultant
in
relation
to
the
item
but
recognise
the
importance
in
informing
city
plan
into
the
future.
A
B
C
Thank
you
chairman,
and
the
second
one
relates
to
6.10,
and
this
one
was
a
long.
Long
time
ago,
2008
I
received
a
thousand
dollars
from
bc,
curry
surveys
who
were
mentioned
in
the
report,
they're
the
town
planners
and
surveyors
for
the
project,
and
one
hundred
and
seventy
dollars
in
2011.,
I'm
seeking
permission
to
participate
due
to
the
length
of
time,
13
years
and
10
years
respectively,
and
the
community
interest
being
served
by
my
participation.
B
B
And
and
then
followed
by
no
time
to
die,
did
you
watch
that
one.
A
G
All
right
through
the
chair
good
morning,
councillors,
roger
dyer
and
I
will
be
presenting
on
requests
to
apply
a
superseded
planning
scheme.
I'd
also
like
to
introduce
michael
leung
in
the
corner.
Here,
our
partner
at
cause
chambers,
west
garth,
michael,
will
assist
with
questions
following
our
presentation.
G
A
request
may
be
lodged
because,
under
the
new
planning
scheme
an
application
may
now
require
a
higher
level
of
assessment.
For
example,
code
to
impact
assessment
or
the
requirements
of
the
relevant
code
are
now
different,
and
the
applicant
may
wish
for
the
application
to
be
assessed
and
decided
under
the
superseded
planning
scheme.
G
G
G
Section
29
of
the
planning
act
does
not
contain
any
guidance
for
a
local
authority
to
consider
in
deciding
a
superseded
planning
scheme
request
to
encourage
good,
consistent
and
transparent
decision
making.
It
is
proposed
that
council
should
adopt
criteria.
Officers
would
use
for
internal
assessment,
the
criteria
proposed
being
one
the
relevant
provisions
of
the
planning
act.
G
Two
all
written
information
provided
by
a
person
to
enable
council
to
properly
assess
the
request
three,
whether
the
application
of
the
superseded
planning
scheme
may
result
in
a
planning
outcome.
That
is
not
in
the
public
interest
and
four.
Whether
refusing
the
request
may
expose
council
to
a
real
risk
of
a
potential
compensation
claim
to
manage
the
risk
of
compensation
claims,
it
is
proposed
that
the
general
approach
will
be
to
approve
the
superseded
planning
scheme
requests
for
the
12-month
period.
G
Once
a
superseded
planning
scheme
request
is
decided,
a
decision
notice
must
be
given
to
the
applicant
within
five
business
days.
The
applicant
must
then
lodge
a
development
application
within
six
months
of
the
decision
date
and
the
application
is
assessed
against
version
eight
of
city
plan.
I
hand
over
to
raj
to
talk
about
the
compensation.
H
So,
in
a
nutshell,
because
of
that
significant
risk
of
compensation,
it
is
actually
one
of
the
criteria
that
officers
will
use
to
assess
applications
under
the
superseded
planning
scheme
to
such
an
extent
that
it
is
our
opinion
that
the
majority
of
requests
for
applications
to
be
assessed
under
the
superseded
planning
scheme
should
be
supported,
and
to
give
you
some
context
when
we
went
through
this
exercise
in
2016
as
a
result
of
the
03
planning
scheme
change,
we
went
to
the
city
plan.
We
had
approximately
400
requests
for
superseded
planning
scheme
applications
and
of
those
400.
H
H
I
Thanks
chairman
three
years
in
the
circumstance
for
the
example
that
you
gave
roger
you're
talking
about
palm
beach
as
an
example,
there's
other
reasons
why
an
application
might
be
refused
apart
from
its
height
and
one
of
those
but
related
to
the
height,
is
of
course
meeting
certain
preconditions.
H
That
that's
a
good,
a
good
question:
councillor
young!
There
are
some
exemptions
from
an
inability
to
apply
apply
for
compensation
and
one
or
two
of
them
relate
to
whether
there's
loss
of
life
or
injury
to
property
and
and
that-
and
that
could
be
an
example
of
say,
the
change
to
the
to
the
designated
flood
level.
Council
gets
new
information
about
a
particular
area
and
that
you
know
there
needs
to
be
a
change
to
the
designated
flood
level.
H
So
in
a
funny
sort
of
way,
a
development
loses
it
some
of
its
ability
to
get
to
that
maximum
height
through
a
change
to
the
designated
flood
level.
That
happened
in
version
six,
so
so
on
that
basis,
council
would
have
the
comfort
of
knowing
that
if
they
applied
version
9
to
that
application,
there
wouldn't
be
a
risk
of
compensation
for
the
palm
beach
example.
F
So
that
was
two
thousand
two
subscribers
yeah
and
at
that
point
in
time,
do
we
determine
whether
or
not
it's
properly
made
or
a
well-made
submission,
because
I
think
you
indicated
that
there
were
three
that
were
maybe
poorly
made.
H
Through
your
mr
chair,
our
criteria
is
all
written
information
provided
by
person
to
enable
counsel
to
properly
assess
the
request.
That's
a
legislative
requirement.
It
doesn't
probably
align
exactly
as
what
a
development
application
is
for
a
development
permit,
but
it
is
in
there
and
does
give
council
officers
enough
scope
to
try
to
kick
applications
into
touch
that
don't
don't
meet
that
particular
criteria.
H
J
I
Any
other
question:
counselor
patient.
It's
about
process
chairman
thanks
through
you.
I
note
the
time
frames
within
which
a
the
decisions
need
to
be
made
and
the
pro
the
report
suggests
that
the
existing
delegated
authority
regime
will
prevail,
but
matters
will
be
forwarded
to
the
councillor.
I
I
Understood,
but
I
I
think
there
may
be
just
the
exception
where
it's
the
local
council
is
really
uncomfortable,
that
a
matter
that
was
contentious
in
its
first
iteration
that
it
just
comes
through
and
and
unseen
by
the
public.
It's
been
granted
a
possible
extension,
so
there
may
be
an
opportunity
for
the
local
councillor
to
approach
you
and
have
a
matter
brought
forward
as
a
late
item.
So
it
still
meets
the
time
frame.
So
I'm
just
trying
to
ascertain
if
that's
ruled
out
completely
or
if
there.
J
Is
that
latitude
three,
mr
chair?
It's
counselling!
It's
not
ruled
out
by
this
resolution
but,
as
roger
said,
that's
kind
of
the
practice.
We
would
hope
to
be
able
to
adopt,
but
there's
always
exceptions
and
we'll
do
our
best.
But
it's
just
something
that
we
might
not
be
able
to
do,
and
I
guess
we
do
have
the
the
special
delegation
ability,
as
as
a
as
a
backup,
if
time
doesn't
permit
it
to
get
onto
the
agenda.
So
thanks
chad.
A
And
by
the
time,
if
you've
got
30
day
window
and
you
spent
the
first
three
weeks
going,
do
we
like
this
or
not
and
start
the
officers
start
to
arrive
at
a
decision?
Point
they've
then
got
another
week
to
try
and
get
a
decision
made
of
which
they
just
might
not
be
meeting
so
yeah
we're
gonna
have
to
try,
and
I
appreciate.
K
So
I'm
fascinated
by
the
previous
or
the
information
provided
that
there
was
400
applications
lodged
and
397
of
those
were
ultimately
approved.
It
seems
like
one
of
those
things
we
have
an
administrative
burden
on
ourselves
that
we're
kind
of
trapped
by
the
legislation
to
enable
these.
Could
you
just
quickly
comment
on
that.
H
It's
quite
up
through
through
you,
mr
chair.
It's
quite
interesting
that
the
ipa
and
the
spa
so
the
ipa,
the
integrated
planning
act
that
was
1997.
just
for
those
watching.
E
H
So
the
integrated
planning
act
and
the
sustainable
planning-
thank
you.
They
were
two
years
so
superceded
planning
scheme
requests
were
out
there
for
two
years
under
the
planning
act,
they've
cut
it
down
to
one
year,
but
in
my
my
opinion,
you
you
make
provision
for
an
applicant
to
apply
for
a
superseded
planning
scheme,
request
and
the
risk
of
compensation
and
the
lack
of
case
law
in
relation
to
compensation
claims
within
queensland,
which
is
just
about
zero.
K
It
it
seems
like
this
new
system
effectively
just
strangely
on
that
process,
you
let
us
you
lead
us
as
divisional
counsellors
know.
Could
I
ask
for
in
no
rush,
but
on
notice,
just
the
400
previous
applications
good
got
to
get
them
separated
by
division
just
to
take
a
look
at
them.
I'd
be
interested
to
know
where
they
were
received
from
through
this.
It's
not
a
rush.
I
don't
mind
when
you
do.
H
A
H
A
So
question
from
so
who's
the
third
person
who's,
the
third
wheel.
I
thought
there
was
three.
No
just
two,
I'm
I'm
this
did
you
have
something
to
add?
B
Thank
you,
mr
chairman.
Through
you
to
the
director,
quite
often
we
receive
a
report
might
be
quarterly.
I
suppose
that
deals
with
items
that
have
been
dealt
with
under
delegation.
I
just
want
to
seek
confirmation
that
delegated
decisions
to
accept
superseded
applications
will
appear
in
that
report
in
order
to
provide
visibility
to
the
whole
council.
Over
and
above
the
local
council,
getting
a
heads
up.
A
B
B
A
Let's
just
have
a
think,
because
I
think
what
we're
trying
to
do
here
is
actually
reduce
the
administrative
burden,
so
you
know,
I
think,
when
the
reports
ultimately
come
to
council,
if
I
recall
correctly,
they
are
noted
as
being
a
superseded
application
in
the
content
of
the
report.
That's
probably
the
best
thing,
yeah.
J
Mr
chair,
we
can
we
issue
that
da
quarterly
report,
so
we
can
just
add
that
in
as
another
statistic
which
will
be
quite
easy
to
do
and
then
every
da
that
follows
a
superseded
scheme
request,
as
council
cornwall
mentioned
is,
is
noted
in
the
agenda
reports.
A
F
F
There
is
12
months
for
submissions
to
be
made
and
they'll
be
assessed
appropriately.
So,
and
I
appreciate
what
counselor
pete
young
was
saying
in
regards
to
the
ability
to
to
potentially
bring
forward
to
committee
the
extraordinary,
but
I
think,
we're
far
better
off
with
a
set
of
business
rules
that
we
follow
consistently,
and
I
think
that
the
last
those
numbers
that
were
previously
reported
that
showed
that
397
of
them
went
through
to
me
actually
shows
that
that
process
is
right
and
I'd.
A
H
A
All
right
6.2,
so
we
had
unstarred
this
for
councillor
gates's
declaration.
So
I'm
going
to
move
this
one
moved
by
council
of
star
second
by
council,
yes
peter
young,
all
in
favor
against
carried-
and
we
welcome
the
ladies
from
the
south.
A
A
Well,
so
we'll
just
note
that
councilor
neil
and
councillor
pauline
young
joined
us
at
10,
14
am
all
right.
We
moved
six
point
three.
We
moved
six
point.
Four,
let's
go
to
six
point.
Five.
Am
I
following
that
correctly
six
point:
five.
A
And
sorry,
just
for
the
sake
of
recording
council
gates
in
relation
to
6.2
productive
gold
coast,
did
you
vote
in
favor
of
that
yeah?
Can
we
just
note
that,
on
the.
E
L
So,
as
advised
next
up,
we
have
five
items
combined
under
one
presentation
being
for
five
separate
applications
for
a
development
permit
for
material
change
of
use
for
a
dual
occupancy
at
five
separate
properties
on
boyd'll
road
in
ormo.
The
applications
are
impact
accessible
and
are
recommended
to
be
refused.
A
Okay,
so
councillors,
I
assume
there
are
49
people
from
gilston
who
are
wanting
to
view
today's
live
stream
and
the
live
streaming
is
currently
not
working,
they're
working
to
fix
it
now,
but
why
don't
we
just
take
this
opportunity
to
give
the
officers
a
five
minute.
A
Yeah
and
sorry
I
say
that
in
jest
it's
probably
not
just
gilston
it'll
be
other
areas
as
well,
but
it's
up
to
you,
I'm
just
letting
you
know.
So
if
we
want
to
press
on
we'll
press
on
okay.
L
All
right
as
advisor
subject,
sites
are
all
located
on
bordeaux,
road
within
almo,
which
is
a
recently
created
subdivision
development
surrounded
by
emerging
community
zones
to
the
east
and
west.
The
subject
street
is
located
in
the
low
density
residential
zone,
which
generally
envisions
development
density
of
one
dwelling
per
400
square
meters.
As
noted
in
the
report,
the
proposals
are
a
density
of
approximately
one
dwelling
per
260
square
meters.
L
This
map
shows
the
current
applications
on
the
street
being
the
five
of
them,
and
these
applications
were
all
lodged
as
a
result
of
development
compliance
investigation
and
this
investigation
commenced
in
approximately
september
2020.
L
I've
just
got
up
on
the
screen.
The
additional
properties
that
are
subject
to
that
development
compliance
investigation
and
have
received
visits
from
that
team
and
possible
show
cause
notices.
So
only
five
of
those
have
actually
lodged
applications,
but,
as
you
can
see
on
this,
there's
another
six
or
seven
on
the
street
that
are
also,
I
suppose,
currently
operating
as
a
dual
occupancy.
L
This
is
the
typical
site
plan
and
layout
for
the
dwellings,
as
advised.
These
were
originally
approved
as
a
dwelling
house
and
secondary
dwelling
by
the
building
certifier
and
according
to
information
obtained
by
council
that
dwelling
houses
were
then
developed
and
converted
to
dual
occupancy
dwellings,
dwellings
by
way
of
separate
power
and
telecom
connections,
separate
letter
boxes,
additional
bins,
fences
down
the
middle
of
the
backyard
and
separate
households
and
leases
over
each
unit.
So,
mr,
can
I
just
ask
questions.
B
Yeah
I
mean,
as
far
as
I
know,
if
you
have
look
at,
for
example,
the
geocoded
national
address
file,
you
would
be
dealing
with
a
single
street
address
right.
So
if
they've
got
a
second
letter
box,
is
someone
arbitrarily
tacked
on
an
a
and
a
b
onto
the
second
letter
box
and
then
how
they
dealt
with
council
and
got
that
extra
service
attached
to
a
rates
bill,
because
I'm
quite
surprised
that
it
required
a
show
cause
notice.
Maybe
on
complaint
for
us
to
arrive
at
this
position.
J
Three
missed
the
chair:
I'm
not
sure
how
they
obtain
the
extra
bins,
something
that
we
haven't
looked
at.
So
let's.
A
A
B
L
L
This
included
an
informal
petition
signed
by
34
residents
of
the
street,
the
in
the
objection
included,
concerns
relating
to
parking
and
traffic,
visual
amenity
building,
design
density
and,
and
so
forth.
Submissions
in
support
of
each
application
were
also
received.
It's
just
noted
these
were
received
by
other
dual
occupancy.
Applicants
on
the
street.
L
L
L
I'm
sorry
summarizing
at
the
end,
all
five
applications
and
subsequent
five
committee
items
are
recommended
for
refusal
as
detailed
in
the
office
officer's
recommendation
and
summarized
on
this
slide.
Any
further
questions.
A
Counselor
guys
just
going
back
to
your
original
question.
Obviously,
if
these
are
approved,
then
there's
nothing
to
be
done
further.
So
if,
in
the
event
that
they're
refused
by
a
council
and
the
omission
of
getting
the
approvals
is
cured,
then
nothing
we
can
do,
but
if
we,
if
they
don't
get
that,
then
obviously
it
starts
a
chain
of
events.
Potentially
counsellor
hamel.
D
I
think
mr
chair,
there
was
this
one
bit
of
context.
That
made
was
missed
in
the
presentation
and
that's
all
of
these
were
built
by
the
one
provider,
yes,
which
is
listed
in
the
reporters
at
gallery
homes,
so
they're
all
built
by
the
one
builder
or
certified
by
the
one
certified.
These
are
all
interstate
investors
who
actually
own
the
properties,
so
they
would
sold
a
package
deal
that
would
have
included.
D
You
know
some
fairly
good
returns
based
on
this,
this
model
of
having
both
sides
rented
out
the
way
they
are
just
that
little
bit
of
context
and
then,
if
there's
any
other
questions-
and
I
can
wrap
a
couple
up
in
it,.
A
So
it's
interesting
because
on
the
back
of
a
meeting
council
aaron
jones-
and
I
had
yesterday
where
we
were
being
particularly
cautious
about
dual
occupancy
lots
and
the
sizes
of
those
lots
and
the
frontages
of
those
lots,
here's
a
real-life
example
of
how
it
can
go
terribly
wrong.
Councillor
vorster.
B
He's
listening,
though
sorry,
mr
chairman,
I
just
want
to
flag
this.
Is
you
might
all
recall
that
meeting
I
stormed
out
of
when.
B
Yeah
and
that
all
had
to
do
with
this
dual
dual
occupancy
dual
living
thing-
and
I
just
think
we
need
to
be
so
careful
in
our
approach
to
these
things,
because
there
can
be
all
sorts
of
amenity
issues
created
in
the
street
and
these
photos
are
shocking
and
it
shows
what
a
bad
outcome
can
be
not
to
say
that
there
can't
be
good
outcomes.
But
this
is
a
bad
one.
B
I
walked
out
of
the
meeting,
though
my
question,
mr
chairman,
through
you
to
the
director
of
city
offices,
is
just
the
role
of
the
private
certifier
here,
I'm
just
trying
to
wrap
my
head
around
this,
so
they
they
issue
some
paperwork
which
essentially
says
that
this
building
has
been
constructed
in
accordance
with
the
prevailing
planning
instrument,
correct
and,
and
we're
not
we're
not
privy
to
that.
That
gets
done
at
their
end
and
that
paperwork's
lodged
with
us
I'm
assuming
to
keep
some
corporate
record.
B
H
Through
you,
mr
chair,
the
private
certifier,
yes,
that
is
correct.
They
issued
a
ba
for
the
dwelling
and
the
secondary
dwelling.
The
private
certifier
was
of
the
opinion
that
the
development
complied
with
the
city
plan
and,
in
fact,
when
you
have
a
secondary
dwelling,
that's
under
80
square
meters
and
all
the
other
required
outcomes.
H
H
Through
mr
chair,
the
this
is
where
it
gets
a
little
bit
complex
because
there's
a
fine
line
between
a
secondary
dwelling
and
a
dual
occupancy
these
plans,
if,
if
they
had
grandma
next
next
next
door,
you
know
we
have
jason
from
development
compliance,
but
if
it
was
used
legitimately
as
a
secondary
dwelling,
where
it
was
a
member
of
the
family
or
one
household
unit
that
that
wouldn't
be
creating
a
development
offence.
The
issue
today
is
that
there's
two
separate
households
living
in
each
dwelling.
B
Sorry
thanks
for
clarifying
it,
so
that
does
clarify
it
for
me.
Could
I
just
ask
whether,
in
these
cases,
the
the
other
tests
that
apply
to
a
secondary
dwelling
have
been
satisfied,
for
example,
with
site
cover.
H
H
B
A
B
Excellent,
I
suppose,
from
what
I'm
interested
to
know,
is
whether
council
needs
to
be
considering
making
some
kind
of
referral,
because
if,
if
it
is
the
case-
and
I
haven't
got
that
answer
yet-
that
there's
been
a
market
departure
from
the
scheme
and
a
private
certifier
has
gone
and
issued
these
permits,
then
there's
there's
trouble
in
the
market.
The
investors
have
been
affected,
the
builder's
been
affected,
the
people
living
there
have
been
affected
and
it
seems
to
be
a
systematic
issue
because
we've
ended
up
with
five
of
them.
B
J
Yeah
through
the
chair
councillor,
I
think
the
the
non-compliance
arises
with
the
use.
So
it's
the
use
that
creates
the
non-compliance,
but
the
combined
effect
of
how
they're
used
separate
leases
for
each
separate
dwelling,
separate
water
connections,
separate
power
connections.
There
are
other
other
issues,
but
they
all
add
up
to
lead
us
down
the
path
that
there's
non-compliance
with.
A
B
J
Yes,
through
the
chair
cancer,
it
probably
is
unusual,
although
not
you
would
rarely
come
across
it.
It's
really,
regardless
of
the
the
power
separate
power
meters,
separate
water
meters,
it's
really
about
the
use
and
and
and
they're
quite
obvious-
and
you
know
the
two
separate
leases.
J
If
you
go
to
these
properties,
you
talk
to
both
households,
they
don't
have
any
connection
with
each
other,
they're
they're,
renting
separately.
They
don't
know.
D
Mr
chair,
can
I
I
can't
provide
any
context
on
the
electricity
connection.
The
sub
metering
there,
but
it
was,
must
have
been
one
of
the
questions
that
officers
looked
into
for
me
for
at
one
stage
about
the
water
connection.
So
when
gold
coast,
water
checks,
a
water
connection
to
a
new
dwelling,
it's
not
at
the
house,
it's
from
the
main
at
the
front
to
our
water
meter.
So
anything
that
happened
after
our
water
media.
We
weren't
aware
of
because
I
thought:
how
did
we
not
pick
this
up
at
that
stage?
But
that's
why?
D
Yes,
but
in
this
case
we
haven't
been,
and
it's
one
of
the
reasons
how
I
was
originally
picked
up,
was
a
question
coming
through
to
the
city
about
widers.
What
I
make
told
the
meter
reading
is
not
look
like
the
meter
at
the
front.
They
were
checking
their
sub
meter
when
it
was
off
the
main
meter
how
the
electricity
one
occurred.
I'm
not
sure
because
I
thought
their
checks
were
a
lot
stronger
than
than
waters.
J
Yeah,
so
if
I
could
just
clarify
there
through
the
chair
councillor,
so
one
owner
one
water
bill,
presumably
one
power
bill,
I'm
not
quite
sure
on
that
one
and
then
split
up
by
the
property
manager,
which
is
usually,
as
has
been
stated,
it's
an
interstate
owner
they're,
relying
on
someone
locally
to
look
after
it
for
them
and
all
those
affairs
are
handled
by
that
person
that
property
manager.
B
Mr
chairman,
can
I
just
ask
a
question
about
the
the
interface
between
the
two
dwellings?
Are
they
do?
We
know
under
the
building
code?
Are
there
different
requirements
with
respect
to
things
like
firewalls
between
a
dual
lock
versus
a
secondary
dwelling.
H
H
D
Mr
chairman,
through
your
question
to
is
since
jason's
up
but
to
roger
to
mick
as
well.
Sorry,
apart
from,
I
think,
everything
that's
been
teased
out
today,
being
one
of
the
reasons
why
I
was
keen
for
this
to
come
to
committee
and
I
think
officers
were
too
sorry.
One
of
my
concerns
and
reasons
for
bringing
the
committee
was
that
in
the
end
we're
dealing
with
people
living
here,
so
these
tenants
have
entered
into
leases.
D
They
didn't
know
that
they're
entering
to
a
lease
somewhere,
they
shouldn't
have
been
legally
but
there's
a
lot
of
people
living
in
here
and
in
the
current
market.
In
the
current
situation.
I'm
very
mindful
of
the
fact
that,
depending
on
the
committee
recommendation
today
and
adoption
at
full
council
what
happens
with
the
appeal
process,
are
they
going
to
appeal
that
sometime
down
the
track,
there's
a
very
real
chance
of
compliance
having
to
be
taken
on
these
properties
to
bring
them
back
to
what
their
uses
intended
to
be,
which
probably
means
people
losing
their
rentals?
D
So
I
was
just
wondering
through
mr
chair
to
to
me
and
jason
of
how,
in
the
future,
we
might
deal
with
that
as
a
city
and
making
sure
we
take
care
of
of
people
as
best
we
can.
J
Yeah
through
you,
mr
chair,
you're,
correct.
I
think
the
first
step
will
be
if
this
is
refused.
The
applicant
will
have
an
appeal
period,
there's
not
really
much
point
taking
enforcement
action
while
there's
an
appeal
afoot,
because
the
courts
will
usually
sort
of
stop
that
assuming
we
get
through
all
that
we
would,
we
would
act
with
discretion.
J
I
think
we
would
work
with
each
of
the
owners
and
particularly
the
trying
to
understand
what
sort
of
arrangements
with
the
tenants
are
in
place
and
we
would
take
enforcement
action,
but
the
timing
of
of
how
sort
of
strict
we
would
act
or
how
quickly
would
act
would
sort
of
be
a
case-by-case
basis
depending
on
each
house.
But
I
think
the
last
thing
we
would
do
is
just
force
people
heading
to
a
tent
or
something
like
that
tomorrow,
sort
of
thing.
D
So
I
won't
be
doing
that
mr
chair,
and
that
was
exactly
what
I
was
looking
to
hear,
and
I
already
knew
that.
But
I'm
aware
that
a
few
of
the
applicants
are
watching
this
pretty
closely
and
some
people-
and
some
of
the
tenants
are
that
have
now
become
aware
that
through
public
notification,
signage
going
up
for
a
couple
of
the
tenants
that
was
the
first
they
knew
about.
It
was
a
sign
being
put
on
the
front
lawn
saying
this
is
going
through
impact
assessment.
D
So
I've
had
some
interesting
conversations
with
owners
and
some
very
distressing
conversations
with
tenants
who
have
been
watching
the
the
media
in
the
market
of.
What's
what's
going
with
rentals
and
worry
they're
going
to
be
kicked
out
at
some
stage,
I've
given
them
assurance
that
won't
be
the
case
that
will
work
with
them.
D
I
I
hope
that
gallery
holmes
has
what's
coming
to
him
in
all
honesty,
but
just
for
an
interesting
little
tip
at
the
end.
Before
I
close
mr
chair.
Not
only
is
there
seven
more
in
this
street
that
have
been
identified
as
possible
show
cause
notices
to
be
coming,
but
I
don't
know
if
jason's
aware
of
this
yet,
but
there's
a
cr
coming
through
from
my
office,
where
we
believe
10
more
have
been
identified
in
an
estate
just
down
the
road
from
here.
So
there's
a
there's,
a
there's,
a
problem.
D
A
Yeah
were
there
any
other
questions,
otherwise
all
right.
Well,
let's
deal
with
items.
Six
point:
five,
six
point:
six,
six
point:
seven,
six
point:
eight
and
six
point:
nine,
as
I
starred
bundle
moved
by
councillor
hamill
seconded
by
councillor,
peter
young
councillor,
gates,
question.
C
D
D
D
The
whole
way
through
of
the
fact
that,
at
some
stage,
when
this
became
public
and
I'm
expecting
a
bit
of
media
on
this
one
as
well,
that
it
was
going
to
be
put
out
there
that
way
so
just
to
thank
you
to
all
of
them,
their
interactions
with
applicants
and
tenants
and
how
they've
gone
about
it
has
been
first
class.
So
thank
you
for
the
work
they've
put
in.
D
We
won't
bring
all
the
future
ones
to
committees,
so
we
brought
this
slot
through,
but
in
the
future,
we'll
do
it
through
delegation
and
just
to
say
to
any
owners
or
tenants
that
are
watching,
or
a
few
of
them
send
emails
to
my
office
yesterday
for
an
up
wanting
an
update
after
committee
just
to
reintegrate
what
mick
said
that
if
it
comes
that
in
the
future,
where
there's
compliant
action
required,
we
will
work
with
those
people
to
make
sure
that
we
reduce
the
negative
impacts
as
much
as
we
can
and
finally,
mr
chair,
to
hope
that
to
the
owners
from
interstate
who
purchase
these
if
they
have
been
misled
or
somehow
had
any
kind
of,
if
they
have
been
misled
and
they
are
looking
to
take
action,
I
wish
them
best
of
luck
in
that.
C
C
C
C
E
B
Thank
you
very
much,
mr
chairman.
I'm
happy
to
move
that
council
gates
may
participate
in
the
decision
despite
the
council's
conflict
of
interest,
because,
what's
the
circumstance
a
little
a
different
scale
here,
but
can
we
just
scroll
up
a
little
bit
to
cancel
gates
declaration
because
the
council,
taser
might
have
some
words.
A
A
A
All
right
so
moved
by
council
divorced
a
second
we're
council,
petty
young.
Did
anyone
want
to
speak
to
that?
Let's
we'll
take
the
vote.
All
in
favor
division's
called
councillor,
hamill
owen
jones,
petty
young
council
of
also
councillor
pauline
young
councillor,
gail
o'neill
cancer,
caldwell
against
council
gates
did
not
vote
so
that
was
for
6.11.
A
K
K
This
sort
of
reconfiguration
of
lots
inside
steep
slopes
in
and
close
to
the
major
bar
precinct,
I
don't
think,
is
necessarily
in
line
with
the
community's
expectations
of
development,
but
particularly
in
light
of
the
previous
items
that
we've
dealt
with
in
in
omaha.
K
I
appreciate
that
it
has
been
lodged
in
accordance
with
the
city
plan
and
it's
co-accessible,
so
I'm
very
appreciative
that
this
applicant
has
actually
done
what
they
should
do,
and
I'm
talking
to
council
town
planning
offices
about
changes
to
the
city
plan
that
can
better
reflect
the
community
expectation
in
some
of
the
older
suburbs
of
of
madrid
division
9,
whereby
these
sort
of
battle
ax
lots,
may
not
necessarily
be
able
to
be
put
at
the
back
of
old
bunch
about
homes.
A
I'll
just
mention
in
passing,
I
did
take
note
that
the
battle
ax
handle
was
not
included
in
meeting
the
minimum
lot
size,
which
was
a
change
that
we'd
made
in
2016
as
a
result
of
effectively
not
really
achieving
the
the
proper
size
of
block.
So
at
least
we
we
ended
up
here
with
a
400
and
a
500
plus
battle
axe
type
outcome.
So
it
was
that's
some
improvement.
K
Mr
chair,
what
appears
to
be
happening?
Is
you
know
old
homes
in
division
island,
particularly
in
major
bar,
that
have
sometimes
got
sheds
at
the
back,
are
being
converted
into
dwellings,
and
those
sheds
are
being
demolished
and
buildings
are
being
built
and
technology's
changed
such
that
we
can
deal
with
some
of
the
the
unique
challenges
that
madhuba
has
in
relation
to
albert
shaw,
sewage
and
and
water,
but
yeah.
I'm
not
sure
the
community
expectations
met.
Despite
the
the
lot
size
provisions
being
changed.
A
M
Through
the
chair
item,
6.11
is
a
combined
development
application
for
reconfiguring
a
lot
for
18
lots,
open
space
access,
easements
and
for
operational
work
for
vegetation
clearing
at
473
to
477,
gilston
road
and
22
longhill
road
gilston,
22
longhill
road
has
been
included
within
the
application
for
stormwater
infrastructure
purposes.
The
application
is
recommended
for
approval
the
site.
M
M
M
M
The
proposed
rol
component
of
the
application
involves
creating
18
lots,
new
road,
open
space
for
storm
water,
drainage
and
access
easements.
The
lots
range
from
400
square
meters
in
area
and
achieve
a
density
of
approximately
20
dwellings
per
hectare.
Consistent
with
the
density
identified
within
the
city
plan,
six
rear
lots
are
proposed.
These
lots
are
accessed
via
shared
access.
Strips
each
rear
lot
incorporates
a
maneuvering
envelope
to
ensure
sufficient
space
is
provided
for
vehicles
to
turn
and
exit
the
site
in
forward
gear.
M
Hoselot
900
is
a
drainage
reserve
with
an
area
of
662
square
meters,
and
this
lot
will
incorporate
a
detention
basin.
A
four
metre
wide
combined
sewer
and
stormwater
easement
is
proposed
along
the
proposed
along
the
southern
boundary
of
22
longhill
road.
The
recommended
conditions
of
approval
do
require
minor
amendments
to
this
plan.
M
M
A
total
of
95
submissions
were
received
consisting
of
25
objections
and
75
submissions
in
support
of
the
development.
This
plan
illustrates
the
the
general
location
of
submitters
in
the
immediate
area
and
that's
just
the
general
wider
area.
A
So
you
might,
you
might
be
able
to
see
the
black
cancellation
there's
a
black.
It
says,
subject:
site
and
there's
a
black
line
running
into
a
black
dot.
Can
you
see
that
yeah,
it's
a
black,
so
under
the
black
dot
there
is
another
clump
of
dots
and
that's
only
red
and
then
every
other
dot.
If
you
can
make
out
the
dots
at
all,
I
can.
K
A
If
you're
comfortable
with
me,
question
from
council
ties
the
first
and
we'll
head
to
the
left
so.
K
I've
just
got
a
serious
questions
and
part
of
that.
I
appreciate
of
the
first
thing.
I'd
you
know
acknowledge
that
the
council
officers
have
been
really
quite
you
know.
K
Communicative
we've
talked
about
this
at
length
they're
very
aware
of
some
of
the
concerns
that
have
been
raised
by
the
community
about
this
development,
but
there
are
definitely
members
of
the
gilson
community
who
are
particularly
interested
in
how
these
questions
get
answered
because
they've
asked
me
questions
and
I've
tried
my
best
to
answer
those,
and
I
think
this
is
the
right
forum
to
do
that.
So
the
first
thing
I
suppose
I
wanted
to
ask
about-
is
the
this
thing
called
the
clum
in
the
second
slide,
I
think
you
talked
about
the
gilston.
K
Clum
might
have
been
the
third
slide,
which
is
the
conceptual
land
use
map
and
use
a
description.
What
is
a
clum
and
what
is
its
purpose
and
yeah
help
just
express
that
for
us.
M
Through
the
chair,
the
conceptual
land
use
map
is
conceptual
by
its
name.
It's
intended
to
be
a
guide
that
says
specific
areas
for
specific
purposes,
for
example
in
this
one,
it
separates
the
green,
open
space
areas
or
more
protected
areas
from
the
areas
that
are
intended
for
residential
development.
I
mean
this
case.
It
says
suburban
neighborhoods,
accommodating
larger
lots
on
sloping
sites.
M
The
gillston
area
incorporates
various
degrees
of
sloping
sites
throughout
it.
In
this
particular
instance,
it
was
determined
that
the
site
incorporated
reasonable
slopes
that
could
accommodate
lots
of
the
proposed
size
there
were.
There
will
be
earth
works
as
a
result
of
the
development,
but
these
earthworks
were
fairly
minimal
in
terms
of
heights
of
retaining
walls
that
will
result
from
the
development.
The
majority
of
them
have
a
maximum
height
of
one
meters,
one
meter,
all
walls
being
less
than
the
1.5.
M
K
Yeah,
so
some
of
the
members
of
the
community
have
talked
a
little
bit
about
this.
This
phrase:
larger
lots
on
sloping
sites
as
part
of
their
expectations
and
council's
decision
about
what
might
happen
in
gilson
and
it
one
of
the
defenses
that
council
officers
put
in
the
report
was
that
the
city
plan
doesn't
define
a
large
lot.
There's
no
such
definition
as
a
largely.
Is
there
a
definition
for
small
lot.
M
K
K
Yeah,
so
I'm
trying
to
I'm
trying
to
as
we've
you
know,
lots
of
members
of
the
community
have
read
the
report
and
they've
fed
back
to
me
that
the
feedback
to
them
was
that
that
a
larger
lot
isn't
defined,
but
a
small
lot
is
defined
and
it's
400
square
meters
and
I'm
trying
to
work
out
how
we
as
assessing
officers,
determined
that
a
larger
lot
was
anything
bigger
than
a
small
lot.
M
Yeah
through
the
chair,
a
larger
lot
is,
I
suppose
it
takes
into
account
those
constraints
of
the
site.
So
it's
not
specifically
just
anything
greater
than
400
if
it
can
be
accommodated
on
a
larger
site.
Sorry,
on
a
more
sloping
site
in
other
areas
of
gilston,
for
example
other
ones
along
wally
drive
at
the
moment
that
are
being
assessed.
They
may
result
in
a
larger
lot
than
this
particular
development,
but
it
really
depends
on
the
site's
specific
constraints
and
environmental
constraints,
as
well
as
topography
in.
K
M
K
In
the
in
the
plan
on
page
526,
which
is
kind
of
the
subject
site-
and
I
think
it
was
in
one
of
the
slides-
I
mean
you
can
see
it
on
this
slide.
Actually
what
what
is
the
size
of
the
lots
to
the
immediate
south?
Is
there
any.
M
The
through
the
chair,
the
real
residential
lots,
are
you
referring
to
yep.
They
would
be
standard,
4,
000
kind
of
size,
up
lots.
K
K
M
Through
the
chair,
the
drainage
reserve
is
located
backing
onto
those
two
smaller
lots.
You
can
see
just
to
the
north
of
that
pink
subject:
side
area
there
here
we
go
yeah
yep,
so
lot
900,
which
is
that.
K
K
Yes,
okay
cool,
so
on
page
473
there
is
a
comment:
that's
made
by
officers
that
I
didn't
understand
and-
and
I
couldn't
explain.
K
So
I
hope
to
ask
you
about
that.
It's
an
officer's
comment.
I
think,
in
response
to
the
the
performance
outcome,
acceptable
outcome
of
the
emerging
community
zone
code.
K
It
says
the
proposed
lots
of
achieve
lot
sizes
from
400,
which
I
would
state
is
a
small
lot
which
are
less
than
the
minimum
four
hectare
lot
size
for
hectare,
size
which
is
identified
between
the
the
acceptable
outcome,
number
five
of
the
emerging
community
zone
and
then
there's
a
paragraph
after
there.
Could
you
just
take
a
quick
look
at
that
paragraph?
I
I
didn't
someone
asked
me
about
what
that
meant
and
I
couldn't
explain
it
to
them.
E
M
C
Through
the
chair
now
I
just
get
some
clarity
before
we
keep
going
down
the
path
of
this
small
lot
size.
I
thought
that
400
square
meters
was
the
minimum
lot
size
in
the
low
density
area.
I
didn't
think
it
was
defined
as
a
small
lot.
So
I,
before
we
keep
talking
small
lots,
can
we
get
some
clarity
around
the
facts,
whether
it
is
actually
defined
as
a
small
lot
at
400,
because
I've
had
small
lots
in
northern
gold
coast
put
forward
at
180?
So
I'd
just
like
some
clarity,
please.
K
M
Through
the
chair,
the
reference
to
p05
and
in
relation
to
the
lot
size
is
not
compromising
the
future
development
potential.
That's
as
the
emerging
community
zone,
it's
like
a
holding
kind
of
zone
that
keeps
them
as
those
larger
lots
until
such
time
as
they're
ready
to
be
developed,
the
infrastructure
is
available
and
so
on
to
keep
them
as
the
four
hectare
type
minimum
larger
lots
once
the
development
comes
in,
and
they
do
then
propose
smaller
lots,
able
to
connect
to
infrastructure,
new
roads
and
so
on.
M
That's
when
you
can
then
do
some
smaller
lots
in
accordance
with
that
other
requirements,
including
the
density
of
the
15
to
dwelling
15
to
25
dwellings
per
net
hectare,
but
until
that
time
that
it
is
ready
for
development,
it's
tended
to
intended
to
stay
as
larger
four
hectare
plus
slots.
K
H
K
Yeah
it's
in
between
and
I'm
just
interested
in,
the
idea
of
net
head
care.
What
does
that
exactly
mean?
Because
I
mean
this
is
a
1.9
hectare
site
and
there's
18
lots
on
it.
You
know.
H
K
One
hectare
of
public
space-
that's
cool,
excellent,
so
the
next
question
I
had
actually
relates
to
the
road
stuff
so
on
the
on
page,
actually,
on
the
page,
we're
on
right
now
on
the
the
slide,
you'll
see
that
it's
proposed
that
there
will
be
loosely
in
the
future,
a
road
that
goes
down
that
what
looks
like
a
battle
ax
handle
to
long
hill
rise.
Is
that
that's
not
in
the
actual
development
application,
but
it
the
development
application,
makes
provision
for
a
future
road
to
be
connected.
Is
that.
M
Through
the
chair,
this
plan
probably
shows
it
clearer
where
you
can
see
the
grey
area
at
the
end
of
the
proposed
road
that
could
go
down
to
a
future
connection
that
future
connection
could
be
through
to
long
hill
road.
It
could
be
as
an
extension
of
that
existing
proposed
cul-de-sac
to
service
the
lots
that
are
within
the
emerging
community
zone
along
long
hill,
road
that
that
future
connection
will
be
determined
at
some
time
in
the
future.
If
an
application
were
made
over
those
lots.
K
And
what
what's
the
planning,
legislation
or
mechanism
or
guideline
that
prompted
council
officers
to
tell
the
applicant
that
they
needed
to
provide
for
that.
M
Through
the
chair
generally,
the
planning
scheme
supports
that
the
rol
code,
the
emerging
communities
code,
the
new
communities
element
in
the
strategic
framework-
all
aim
to
get
road
connectivity.
Where
possible.
The
planning
amendment
regulation
2020,
the
walkable
neighborhoods-
aims
to
have
interconnected
street
networks
where
possible.
The
intent
is
always
to
try
and
get
road
connections.
K
Okay
and
in
thinking
about
that,
if
we
can
just
scroll
back
to
the
broader
area,
it
occurs
to
me
that,
because
your
report
states
that
gilston
state
school
is
1.7
kilometers
to
the
south,
every
resident
in
that
broader
catchment
and
it'd
be
good
to
get
the
aerial
shot
that
had
a
satellite
image
that
one
there
every
resident
in
that
catchment
would
come
down.
Peter
mills
drive
and
then
effectively
duck
through
that
future
road
to
move
south
to
take
their
kids
to
school.
M
Through
the
chair,
the
road
catchment
or
the
road
was
designed
for
a
residential
access
street,
I'm
unsure
in
terms
of
catchment
levels
of
the
whole
of
that
peter
mills
area
going
through
there,
but
it
it
is
designed
as
a
residential
access
street.
M
Residential
access
street-
I'm
not
sure
the
exact
numbers,
but
it
does
cater
for
yeah.
H
K
So
the
the
area,
finally
enough
in
the
newspaper
today
talks
about
gilston
being
the
most
family-friendly
suburb
on
the
gold
coast
and
we
have
lots
and
lots
of
young
families,
many
of
whom
drive
their
children
to
gilston
state
school,
1.7
kilometers
south
of
this
location.
There
is
no
pathway.
There
is
no
active
travel
because
it's
a
state
road
and
they've
never
determined
to
be
able
to
do
that.
K
If
there
is
a
ultimately
a
through
road,
and
I
wanted
to
make
sure
that
the
applicant
had
built,
I
don't
want
to
burden
the
future
ratepayer
for
an
upgraded
standard
of
road
because
it
ends
up
being
used
by
more
than
the
18
people
who
live
in
the
street.
So
it's
not
a
cul-de-sac,
the
way
they've
designed
the
road.
It's.
E
K
These
approaches
yes
ordering
the
court
all
of
these
residents,
of
which
high
percentage
of
families
will
ultimately
instead
what
they're
currently
doing
is
they're
driving
down
these
roads
and
going
to
that
roundabout,
which
we've
yeah
we've
considered
all
the
traffic
implications
of
that.
But
this
applicant
as
building
was
effectively
a
small
road
here
with
the
future.
K
My
view
is
that
all
of
these,
if
there's
a
road
available,
they
will
duck
through
that,
and
I
want
the
standard
of
that
road.
It
needs
to
be
delivered
to
be
sufficient
to
deal
with
this
entire
catchment
and
not
just
those
18
homes,
because
the
ratepayer
will
have
to
pay
for
a
road
up
right,
because
no
one's
going
to
bother
going
to
the
roundabout
here
if
they
need
to
stop
through.
A
Key
for
clarifying
that
council
vorster,
then
I'm
sorry,
council
hamlet,
you
were
next.
D
Mr
chair
few
scattered
questions:
can
I
get
confirmation
that
the
what
size
truck
the
swept
path
for
the
waste
vehicle
is
for
obviously,
there's
a
half
hammer
head
in
the
design,
but
just
clarification?
What
size
truck
the
sweet
path
was
the
cestigans.
M
Through
the
chair,
water
and
waste
looked
at
sweat
paths
for
a
standard
garbage,
refuse
type
vehicle
for
turning
within
that
area
and
the
sweat
parts
were
provided
for
that
and
it
complied
with
those.
D
M
Through
the
chair,
there's
no
requirement
for
concrete
pads
at
all
in
terms
of
bin
placement
and.
D
I'm
interested
too,
so
that's
a
fairly
tight,
sweat
path.
I'm
sure
it
shows
sweat
path,
but
what
doesn't
come
up
is
when
you
actually
take
a
truck
out
there
and
people
got
bins
and
cars
parked
in
the
wrong
spot.
So
is
it
proposed
to
yellow
line
that
half
hammerhead
so
that
the
truck
can
get
in
and
out
without
obstruction.
D
D
E
Through
the
chair,
there's
no
specific
requirement
that
talks
about
on-street
car
parking,
yeah.
D
Absolutely
we're
making
the
rear
lots
yeah,
I'm
just
interested,
because
the
rear
lots
have
a
requirement
to
have
to
provide
a
car
parking
space
on
their
lot
because
they
can't
have
an
on-street
one.
Yet
two
of
the
blocks
that
are
on
street
don't
have
to
provide
an
on-street
car
park
and
they'll
end
up
using
that
half
hammer
head
which
will
end
up
being
a
turnaround
not
just
for
waste
trucks
but
for
other
vehicles
and
whatnot
as
well.
A
A
E
D
Anyway,
yeah,
like
I
said,
a
bit
scattered
anyways,
I'm
interested
so
for
the
rear
lots
so
like
15,
11
and
lot
seven,
the
I'm
guessing.
What
is
the
total
of
the
easement
for
the
driveway
has
been
reduced
from
the
lot
size,
so
example,
lot
15
is
582,
but
in
purple
436,
including
easement,
to
meet
the
minimum
lot
size
stuff
the
block
size.
D
M
Through
the
chair,
the
easement
at
the
rear
of
the
lots
to
the
on
the
northern
side
of
the
road
is,
is
not
for
access.
Okay,
it's
only
for
stormwater.
D
Absolutely
yeah
there's
an
expectation
in
real
life
through
lived
experience.
Mr
chairman,
those
bins
will
end
up
on
the
edges
of
the
hammerhead
and
then
they
won't
end
up
on
the
other
side
of
the
road,
and
then
trucks
end
up
hitting
them
and
everything
else
just.
I
think
it
would
be
good
if
that's
a
design,
that's
going
to
continue
to
come
out,
have
concrete
bin
bays
with
identifiers
on
the
other
side
of
the
road
and
making
a
notification
on
the
property,
which
is
what
I
know.
M
F
Chairman,
so
I
can
assume
on
the
left-hand
side
of
that
plan,
where
the
proposed
entry
is
from
gilston
road
is
the
only
place
that
that
entry
could
go
and
then
that
and
then
the
the
extrusion
of
the
new
road
to
the
right
hand,
side
of
the
map
is
by
the
applicant
in
order
to
get
that
minimum
lot
size
of
400
square
meters.
Did
we
ever
give
any
consideration
to
arsene
to
drop
the
road
size
to
eliminate
the
battle
axes
and
increase
the
lot
slightly.
M
Through
the
chair,
there
was
lots
of
discussion
throughout
this
process
in
terms
of
the
rear,
lots,
the
size
of
lots,
frontages
of
lots
and
so
on,
and
ultimately,
this
design
was
one
that
complied
with
the
requirements
of
the
city
plan.
F
And
where
the
road,
the
proposed
new
road
extrudes
out
the
other
side,
ultimately,
if
that
was
formed
by
a
future
application,
it
could
either
continue
to
have
access
from
gilston
road
or
nationally.
What
what's
the
adjacent
road
longhill
road,
long
hill
road.
But
then
there
would
be
if
it
was
to
continue
through
to
long
hill
road.
You
would
end
up
having
an
offset
from
the
peter
mills
drive,
which
I
wouldn't
have
thought
would
be
a
good
outcome
for
any
future
application
on
that
side
of
the
club.
F
So
so,
where
the,
where
the
highlighted
single
lot
is,
which
is
for
stormwater,
that's
not
actually,
where
the
the
row
a
future
road
would
be
below
that
and
you'd
have
an
offset,
which
I
wouldn't
have
thought
that
we
would
ideally
like
to
encourage.
M
Through
the
chair,
the
final
location
of
that
road,
whether
it
be
a
through
road,
whether
it
be
a
cul-de-sac,
whether
it
continues
straight
or
have
cold
as
a
head,
which
is
at
a
different
angle,
it
is
unknown
at
this
stage.
So
the
actual
ultimate,
where
that
road
was
to
come
out
onto
long
hill
road,
hasn't
been
assessed
in
terms
of
its
specific
location.
F
We're
kind
of
steering
it
closer
to
peter
mills
at
the
moment
by
accepting
this
proposed
new
road
within
this
application.
So
if,
for
example,
we
wanted
it
to
be
further,
I'm
going
to
say
south,
you
know
that
would
get
it
naturally
further
away
from
peter
mills
and
further
away
from
that
conflict.
That
would
happen.
A
F
Outcome
for
the
city
rather
than
that
conflict
of
a
road
spinning
out,
you
know
40
meters
from
peter
mills,
and
I
know
that
it's
very
difficult
because
we
don't
have
an
application
on
that
side.
But
I
think
that
we
need.
We
should
be
giving
some
consideration
today
in
regards
to
what
this
application
does
in
regards
to
setting
up
an
application
for
those
future.
Lots
in
due
course.
A
Okay,
councillor
vorster.
B
Thank
you
very
much,
mr
chairman.
Can
I
just
ask
a
couple
of
questions
one
that
lot
900,
which
is
like
balanced
lot
drainage
reserved
to
be
dedicated
to
council.
B
M
B
B
H
A
J
I
I
M
Through
the
chair
on
page
484,
that's
the
cross-section
of
the
proposed
dwelling
at
the
frontage
of
gilston
road.
So
that
would
be
lot
18..
The
the
vegetation
itself
is
within
the
property
boundary
there's
the
600
mil
and
then
the
retaining
wall
and
fence.
I
I
Like
a
property
just
directly
opposite,
my
driveway
they've
removed
the
fence,
so
they
can
get
in
the
back
with
the
machine
and
put
in
a
pool
and
just
leave
the
fence
undone.
And
so
then
it's
a
development
compliance
issue.
Then
people
don't
maintain
the
plants
because
it's
outside
their
boundary.
Seemingly
you
know
it's
beyond
defense
and
it
becomes
a
public
problem.
We
have
development,
it
becomes
a
development
compliance
issue,
it's
crazy,
so
I'm
just
wondering
what
provisions
there
are
for
that
anticipated
in
the
proposal
whose
responsibilities
and
how
do
you
expect
that
to
be
achieved?
I
K
M
Through
the
chair
they
should
know
in
terms
of
where
their
their
boundary
is
with
their
fences
and
on
a
plan
they
would
be
able
to
see
in
terms
of
practically.
They
would
know
that
it
is
the
600
mils
within
the
boundary
any
vegetation
outside
of
that
would
be
able
to
be
accessed
from
the
frontage
of
the
site.
These
are
the
properties
lot,
18
and
and
one
the
cross
section
is
actually
18.,
so
they
are
visible.
It's
not
vegetation!
That's
tucked
away
behind
where
it's
screened.
You
can't
really
see
it.
M
H
Yeah
through
you,
mr
chair,
we
decided
to
take
this
approach
four
or
five
years
ago
as
a
result
of
the
impacts
of
fencing
along
streets,
so
that
was
our
concerted
effort
to
try
to
get
some
vegetation
in
the
front
to
screen
the
monotony
of
that
long
fence.
So
it
is
a
deliberate
approach
that
we've
taken
for
the
last
five
years
in
relation
to
trying
to
reduce
the
dominance
and
the
austere
appearance
of
offenses
yep.
There
are
some
issues,
but
most
of
the
time
it
actually
works.
A
I
mean
particularly
in
kumara,
we
had
huge
stretches
of
fencing
facing
main
arterial
roads
where
there
was
no,
where
there
was
backyards,
and
no
no
road
access
or
front
yard
type
features,
so
it
became
particularly
ugly
in
this
instance.
In
this
instance,
we've
got
two
stretches
of
fencing
one's
14
meters
and
one
16
meters,
so
I
don't
think
we're
probably
going
to
create
a
huge
problem.
Whichever
way
we
went
about
it,
it
was
more
the
the
hundreds
of
meters
of
lengths,
particularly
that
were
being
needing
some
sort
of
softening
treatment.
A
K
Comment
in
relation
to
the
council
young's
question
is:
I
actually
have
no
problem
principally
with
the
idea
that
there
be
a
fence
and
there
be
a
tree,
but
it
it
needs
to
be
very
clear
for
the
for
the
new
property
owner
that
that
is
either
their
tree
or
not,
and
I
think
it
is
reasonable.
A
reasonable
person
will
see
the
fence
and
think.
Well,
that's
the
boundary
they're
not
going
to
check
the
survey.
K
No
new
property
owner
is
going
to
check
the
survey.
Is
there?
Is
there
anything
lawfully
constraining
us
from
moving
the
fence
to
the
property
boundary
and
having
the
tree
on
the
council
land
and
then
it
being
effectively
a
dedicated
road
reserve
with
a
tree
on
it?
I
don't
know.
Is
there
anything
wrong
with.
K
I
Thanks
jim,
so
I
accept
that
the
reasons
these
have
done
and
in
most
cases
I
accept
that
the
outcome
is
reasonable,
but
I
know
from
personal
experience
that
in
some
cases
it's
definitely
not.
Then
it
becomes
a
compliance
issue
and
I
think,
maybe
by
annotating
the
rates
notice
for
those
particular
properties,
it's
clear
to
them
that
they
have
that
responsibility,
and
then
we
achieve
that
maintained
edge,
which
is
ideal,
and
I
have
another
question
then
what.
A
F
I
Is
there
any
indication
of
what
the
boundary
treatment
will
be
along
with
the
existing
properties
to
the
east?
Please,
I
might
have
missed
it.
M
Be
cut
to
some
degree
in
that
location
there
will
be
retaining
walls
along
the
boundary
on
the
east
lot.
900
is
a
the
drainage
reserve
and
that
will
have
the
batters,
which
then
merge
into
the
adjoining.
M
M
Two
five
and
it
does
get
steeped
down
towards
the
frontage
of
that
lot
nearer
the
road.
These
are
the
retaining
walls
within
the
lots
themselves.
There
is
a
small
one
within
the
end
of
the
road
which,
if
it
was
to
be
connected
in
the
future,
would
just
be
merged
into
the
road.
I
M
That
shows
the
cross
section,
the
furthest
one
shows
the
cross
section
just
within
the
property
it
down
to
the
drainage
reserve,
but
not
the
other
side
and
that's
the
cross-section
of
the
front
of
the
site.
There
that's
a
cross-section
through
along
basically
through
the
road
through
the
middle
of
the
site,
looking
towards
the
top
one
towards
the
drainage
reserve
towards
the
north.
M
A
A
E
K
So
this
slide
looks
like
the
cross
section
for
the
driveways,
which
is
another
series
of
my
questions
here.
I
just
wanted
to
get
some
picture
from
the
street,
so
the
lower
the
lower
section
of
this
is
the
cross
section
from
gilston
road,
on
the
left
hand,
side
to
the
private
property
on
the
right
hand,
side
and
there's
a
depicted
where
it
says.
Is
it
rdc
or
roc
next
to
lot
13
and
not
lot
10.
M
3G,
that's
the
rear
axis.
Oh
free
access
like
a
street.
K
So
just
duck
back
the
other
one,
so
just
trying
to
get
my
head
around
this
picture,
this
little
back
one.
So
there's
going
to
be
a
retaining
wall
of
one
meter
plus
then
a
1.8
metre,
colorbond
fence
is
that
right,
so
it's
effectively
potentially
a
2.8
meter
tall.
M
Cross
section
also
shows
this
is
a
more
detailed,
specific
cross-section
for
that
rear
access
area,
which
shows
that
there
will
be
some
vegetation
along
the
either
side
of
that
and
the
fencing
plan,
which
I
think
is
here
as
well,
shows
the
heights
of
the
fencing
in
that
location.
So,
yes,
it
is
the
1.8
timber,
paling
fence
through
that
main
component
of
the
the
re-access
strip,
yeah.
K
K
Three
meters
to
a
well
or
2.8
meters,
tall
okay,
that
clears
that
up
for
me,
are
you
for
me.
Following
on
with
some
of
the
other
questions
I
have
here:
no
just
trying
to
get
it
so
in
performance
outcome
number
two:
it
talks
about
a
rear
lot
that
does
not
result
in
unreasonable
amenity
impacts
for
adjoining
lots
by
limiting
the
rear
lots
to
one.
K
M
Through
the
chair,
the
adjoining
lots
to
the
south
are
considered
any
adjoining
lot,
south
or
east.
In
this
case,
it
was
considered
that
the
existing
dwellings
on
those
lots
were
sufficiently
set
back.
The
dwellings
to
the
south
are
the
ones
that
are
within
the
rural
residential
zone.
M
There's
two
houses,
a
large
house
which
you
can
actually
just
kind
of
faintly,
see
there
a
large
shed,
and
there
is
another
one
about
where
legend
is
written
on
there,
which
are
both
set
back
a
reasonable
distance
from
what
will
be
future
houses,
taking
into
account
as
well
the
earthworks
on
the
site,
where
some
of
those
retaining
walls
drop.
The
proposed
lots
down
will
assist
in
that
visual
separation
between
the
existing
and
the
proposed
lots.
K
Yeah
and
so
across
the
southern
boundary
of
the
development
site,
there's
the
the
properties
that
the
existing
properties
are
lower
than
the
new
properties.
It's
so
they
will
be
responsible
for
a
retaining
wall
at
the
back
there
and
then
again,
a
1.8
meter,
high
fence
across
that
back
is
that
is
that
correct.
M
Through
the
chair,
there
will
be
1.8
meter
high
fencing
at
the
back
sorry
I'll,
just
flick
back
through
to
that
fencing
plan.
K
M
No
through
the
sorry
through
the
chair,
the
retaining
wall
plan
doesn't
have
a
section
through
that
location,
sorry,
but
it
does
drop
down.
So
if
you
were
in
this
house
on
the
corner
in
that
kind
of
rectangular
shape,
lot
that
will
be
looking
down
over
the
the
house
will
stay,
obviously
at
its
existing
location.
The
lots
where
the
purple
retaining
wall
is
of
the
1.5
max
then
will
be
seen
by
the
future
residents.
Looking
at
that,
rather
than
the
the
existing
house
will
look
over
the
top
yeah.
K
Of
that,
can
I
ask
a
question
by
looking
at
it,
so
I'm
just
I'm
trying
to
use
the
again
a
little
bit
of
an
issue
for
me,
but
this
is
a
retaining
wall
that
is,
between
0.6
of
a
meter
and
1.5.
That's
a
retaining
wall
of
that
and
then
there's
a
fence
of
1.8
minutes.
So
this
is
that
one
yes,
so
this
is
a
one.
This
this
resident
right
here
is
going
to
be
looking
at
a
1.5
up
to
1.5.
M
There
will
be
earthworks
that
do
change
that
that
that
they're
kind
of
similar-ish
height
around
where
the
existing
shed
is
to
where
that
lot
1816
are
on
the
existing
property.
J
A
Okay,
so
stop
there.
So
all
of
that-
oh
it's
very
hard
for
you,
probably
counselor
tyson.
The
entire
boundary
fence
is
described
as
existing
1.8
meter
tim
piling.
So
anyone
looking
towards
the
development
will
not
see
anything
different
in
the
geography
to
what
is
exactly
existing
now.
They
will
then
cut
to
varying
levels
on
the
other
side.
So
on
the
development
side
and
its
most
severe
cut
is
on
that
western
side
and
then
it
seems
to
get
a
little
bit
less
as
it
works
around
to
the
east.
So
yeah.
K
E
So
it's
being
cut
everywhere,
so
at
the
eastern
end,
as
we
can
see
through
section
h,
the
bottom
section
on
that
little
section
diagram
shows
that
the
cross
sections
through
that
and
even
at
that
northern
at
the
sorry,
the
western
boundary.
It
shows
that
lot
18
will
also
sit
lower
than
the
neighboring
property
yeah.
M
Through
the
chair,
the
stormwater
will,
from
those
lots,
will
be
directed
to
stormwater
infrastructure
within
the
rear
access
lane,
which
will
then
be
piped
to
the
detention
basin
within
the
drainage
reserve.
There
will
also
be
pits
within
the
road
that
lead
to
pipes
that
go
towards
the
detention
basin
as
well.
K
D
Gravity
over
to
the
the
combined
buyer
retention
and
detention
system
on
lot,
900.
K
H
There
but
the
sizing
of
the
internal
drainage
has
been
set
up
to.
A
A
C
A
B
D
Mr
chair,
this
slide
helps
with
one
of
the
questions
and
then
we
might
forget
around
the
other
ones.
But
can
I
get
clarification
that
the
accident
server
the
access
and
service
easement?
Does
that
end
in
line
with
the
boundaries
of
the
front
lots,
or
does
that
easement
continue
into
say,
for
example,
16
and
15
for
a
section.
M
Through
the
chair,
the
access
and
service
easements
is
within
the
handle.
The
access
handle
itself,
it
doesn't
continue.
The
green
maneuvering
envelope
is
a
separate
thing.
It's
not
an
any
of
that
anything
to
do
with
the
access
easement
or
the
services
easement.
It
just
extends
through
to
allow
for
because
the
access
handle
itself
with
the
example
of
lots,
15
and
16..
The
access
handle
itself
is
within
lot
15.
So
it
has
direct
road
access,
whereas
lot
16,
doesn't
it
its
boundary
finishes
at
the
3.6
metre
frontage
there.
M
D
E
D
E
D
Yeah,
I'm
interested
in
that,
so
what
size
truck
can
get
down
there
on
that
sweet
path,
not
a
I
know
a
garbage
truck
doesn't
have
to,
but
you
want
to
get
a
removal
truck
down
there,
a
delivery
truck
down
there.
What
size
can
fit.
J
J
I'm
not
entirely
sure
through
the
chair,
how
they
do
it.
If
it
were
me,
I'd,
probably
back
the
removals
truck
down
the
easement
and
then
they'd
be
there
for
but
you're
sitting
on
your
neighbor's
property
for
a
period
of
time.
I
think
that'll
be
reasonable,
a
short
period
of
time
when
they
move
house
once
every
few
years.
E
D
M
Through
the
jed,
the
driveways
or
the
vxo
part
would
be
associated
just
with
the
lot
that
it
is
a
part
or
it's
associated
with.
So
as
with
a
normal
lot
lot,
17,
for
example,
it
would
be
lot
17
so
with
15.
15
is
the
lot
that
extends
out
to
the
road
or
to
the
to
the
boundary.
D
Cool,
mr
in
the
report,
it
talks
to
an
mcu
that
was
dropped
part
way
through
the
process.
I'm
wondering
if
officers
could
provide
some
information
of
why
that
mcu
was
dropped.
H
Thank
you.
I
threw
you
this,
mr
chair,
or
you
can
leave
it
through
you,
mr
chair.
It
is
a
very
technical
point,
but
the
original
mcu
application
was
only
a
development
permit.
It
wasn't
a
variation
request
and
as
the
request
for
the
plan
of
development
associated
with
that
related
to
accepted
development,
there
was
actually
no
need
for
an
mcu,
because
it's
accepted
development,
so
you're
only
applying
for
an
mcu
if
you're
accessible
development,
so
there
actually
wasn't
any
need
for
it.
H
There
was
actually
no
ability
for
council
officers
to
actually
approve
the
mcu,
because
what
they're
after
was
accepted
development.
What
they're,
actually
after,
is
a
deviation
from
the
acceptable
outcome
for
site
cover
that
can
be
dealt
with
through
the
referral
agency
advice,
application
process.
D
And
final
one,
mr
chad
there's
some
information
in
the
report
that
talks
to
historical
developments
with
real
lots
like
this,
but
I
noticed
that
most
of
the
examples
don't
have
this
one
common
driveway
servicing
two
lots.
It
tended
to
be
one
driveway
to
one
rear
lot.
Has
that
been
a
change,
because
since
city
planner
was
that
just
because
the
examples
just
happened
to
be
those
ones?
D
M
Older
examples,
I
suppose
it
is
something
that
is
not
uncommon,
to
have
a
shared
access
similar
to
this,
where
two
rear
lots
access
via
one
access
handle.
D
A
No
I'm
gonna
give
councillor
young
ago
and
then
I'll
come
back
to
you.
I
M
Dutch,
oh
sorry,
through
the
chair,
the
finger
component
lot
22
or
number
22
long
hill
road,
that's
been
included
in
the
application
for
the
purposes
of
services
and
infrastructure.
It's
not
being
developed
as
such.
No
lots
are
going
there.
It
incorporates
a
four
metre
wide
combined
storm
water
and
sewer
easement.
That
runs
along
the
southern
boundary
of
that
lot,
and
that
is
the
only
thing
that
relates
to
that
lot.
I
Thank
you
appreciate
that.
K
So,
just
back
to
that
last
slide,
where
we
saw
the
examples
of
other
real
lots.
I
just
when
I
saw
the
word
historical
subdivision
when
we
use
that
phrase
in
a
report.
What
does
that
mean
how
to
how
do
we
define
that
historical
subdivision?
It
just
means
it's
before
our
current
planning
scheme,
or
does
that
mean
just
in.
K
Okay
and
the
app
what's
the
lot
sizes
of
those
ones
I
mean
they
seem
to
all,
have
swimming
pools
and
they're
quite
large
and
they've
got
as
cancer
hamilton
their
own
driveways.
Are
they
do
we
have
an
analysis
of
those?
I
mean.
They've,
obviously
used
some
examples
as
lawful
rear
lots,
but
what
are
their
sizes.
M
Through
the
chair,
they
they
vary.
Not
so
the
ones
the
old
ones
in
mudrabar
haven't
got
the
exact
sizes
to
hand
but
they're,
probably
the
600
kind
of
area,
excluding
the
access
easement,
the
one
at
hinterland
drive.
Obviously,
that's
got
the
lot
size
on
it.
That
was
in
the
400s,
and
the
cobai
drive
one
being
cobi
drive.
It's
probably
going
to
be
similar,
five
to
400
kind
of
size,.
K
That's
not
ideal,
not
ideal
here,
but
probably
lawful,
but
they'd
be
nice
parking
there
virtually
like.
I
think
council
voices
comment
about
it
being
a
body
corp,
it's
not
a
bad
one,
but
but
on
page
490,
there's
a
there's,
a
map
that
maybe
it's
not
it's
just
that
that's
actually
not
the
right
one,
sorry,
not
page
490.
Let's
just
go
back
to
the
main
one.
The
was
there
a
reason
why
we
didn't
put
pathways
on
both
sides
of
the
road.
K
At
the
moment,
there's
13
lots
on
the
southern
side
of
the
development
and
we're
forcing
all
of
those
residents
to
walk
across
the
road
to
get
to
the
pathway
to
push
their
pram
or
their.
Is
there
a
reason
why
we
didn't
do
a
pathway
on
both
sides.
M
Through
the
chair
generally
pathway
on
one
side
of
the
road
for
rural
sorry,
residential
access
street
is
sufficient.
The
walkable
neighborhoods
planning
amendment
regulation
2020
requires
footpath
to
be
at
least
one
side
on
a
new
road,
and
generally
that
is
just
what's
accepted.
Just
the
one.
M
K
Yeah,
okay,
I
think
on
the
side
where
most
of
the
residents
would
have
been
a
better
outcome
and
I
might
consider
a
suggestion
to
that
effect
later
in
performance
outcome
number
four:
it
talks
about
a
development
protecting
and
enhancing
the
character
of
the
local
area.
How
do
we
interpret
that
performance
outcome
in
the
context
of
this,
so
it
doesn't
seem
to
protect
or
enhance
the
current
character.
But
what
does
that
mean.
M
Through
the
chair,
the
current
character
is
quite
varied.
There
are
lots
of
lot
sizes,
there's
real
residential,
there's,
low
density,
residential
there's
rural,
even
not
too
far
afield.
It
is
quite
a
mix
in
terms
of
the
existing
character.
The
emerging
community's
domain
domain
zone
refers
to
the
the
future
desired
character,
the
anticipated
character,
which
goes
back
to
that
density
of
the
15
to
25
dwellings
per
hectare.
M
The
anticipated
character
within
the
emerging
communities
is
that
it's
an
emerging
area
that
is
going
to
have
that
more
of
a
dense
outcome
than
a
rural
residential,
and
it
is
unique,
this
location
that
it
is
surrounded
by
quite
a
variety
of
lot
sizes,
which
does
give
a
varied
character,
but
it
is
consistent
with
the
desired
future
intent
for
the
emerging
communities,
domain,
yeah.
K
The
last
question
I
had
that
relates
to
this
is:
there's
a
there's:
a
provision
in
the
city
plan
that
talks
about
this
idea
of
transition,
so
between
two
zones,
an
established
zone
and
a
new
zone,
there's
a
transition
between
one
and
the
other.
It
occurs
to
me
that
we've
put
the
most
dense
element
of
this
development
right
next
to
the
rural
residential
zone
that
lacks
regard
for
that
idea
of
transition.
Can
you
help
me
understand
why
you
assessed
it
in
the
way
you
did
given
that
transition?
J
Sorry,
mr
chair,
which
transition
provision
are
you
referring
to.
K
Yeah,
so
that
that
outcome,
three
three,
four
one
in
bracket:
six,
the
transition
of
vacant,
urban
land
and
new
communities
will,
you
know,
do
those
four
things
and
then
the
next
one
under
which
talks
about
the
layout
and
design
of
new
communities,
talks
about
an
internet,
connected
system
of
streets.
K
There
was
a
word
that
I
think
related,
or
there
was
a
phrase
that
I
think
related
to
the
strategic
framework
where
the
rural
residential
zones
expectations
are
very
low,
intensity,
lots
which
is
adjacent
this
site,
and
I
think
by
you
know,
reviewing
this
application
favorably
and
suggesting
that
that
these
new
communities
elements
this
sort
of
density
is
acceptable.
We're
actually
we're
not
having
regard
for
the
rural
residential
adjacent
lots.
M
Through
the
chair,
the
transition
that
you're
referring
to
was
considered
during
the
assessment
of
the
application,
the
site
itself.
As
I
mentioned,
the
density
for
emerging
communities
is
between
that
15
to
25.
This
falls
in
the
middle
of
that
with
the
approximately
20
dwellings
per
net
hectare.
M
It's
so
looking
at
it.
From
that
perspective,
it
is
catering
for
development
that
fits
well
within
the
bounds
of
that
emerging
communities.
It's
not
pushing
it
to
the
highest
possible
extent
of
the
density
that
is
allowable.
It's
a
density
that
is
fairly
central
to
what
is
allowed,
so
that
does
allow
for
some
degree
of
transition.
K
M
A
A
Perhaps
while
we're
just
taking
that
break
a
couple
of
things
that
have
come
up,
that,
I
think
we
might
try
and
get
the
officers
to
help
with
some
wording
on
is
the
condition
regarding
the
marked
bin
collection
area.
Where
so,
what's
that
lot,
six
seven
and
eight.
K
Corporate
I
actually
had
the
officers
prepare
a
condition
that
merged
16,
15,
12
and
11,
and
8
and
7
from
six
slots
into
three
lots
to
to
deliver
a
better
landscape
character,
transition
between
the
rural
residential
zone
and
that
emerging
community
zone.
But
I
I
would
be
open
to
removing
six
seven,
eleven
and
fifteen,
because
I
think
that
is
much
more
respectful
of
the
current
community
expectation
of
how
we
should
interpret
the
city
plan.
As
councillors.
A
A
All
right,
thanks
councillors,
we'll
reopen
the
meeting
at
12
21..
So
in
the
break
we
actually
got
our
pens
and
pencils.
A
But
unfortunately,
I
think,
despite
there
being
a
willingness
for
us
to
provide
an
approval,
it's
probably
difficult
for
us
to
reach
the
configuration
of
the
lots
and
dealing
with
the
issues
today
on
the
floor
in
a
suitable
way.
So
I
think
the
only
appropriate
way
forward
is
probably
for
the
matter
to
be
refused
and
we
obviously
don't
do
that
lightly,
but
we
invite
the
applicant
to
continue
to
talk
to
council
about
resolving
some
of
the
concerns
that
have
been
raised
here
in
the
meeting.
A
We
at
this
point
in
time
don't
have
reasons
for
refusal,
but
in
light
of
the
material
that's
been
raised
today
by
us
in
the
meeting,
the
council
offices
will
go
away
and
assist
in
the
preparation
of
some
substantive
reasons
to
support
that
refusal.
A
I
don't
think
there's
anything
else
to
be
added
all
right,
council
of
tozo.
You
wanted
to
speak
to
it.
Thank.
K
You,
mr
chair,
look
I'm
very
appreciative
of
the
committee's
consideration
and
interrogation
of
the
application
today
and
I've.
K
I've
been
really
chuffed
to
see
us
think
about
the
city
plan
and
things
like
the
conceptual
land
use
maps
and
and
where
it
says,
larger
lots
and
sloping
sites
and
where
it
talks
about
in
performance,
outcome
number
two
for
the
emerging
community
zone
having
regard
to
establish
neighborhood
character,
there's
lots
of
reasons
why
a
refusal
is
the
right
outcome
today,
and
I
would
also
flag
that
the
applicant
quite
appropriately
reached
out
to
the
local
council
and
myself
back
in
august
before
they
lodged
in
october,
and
they
just
said:
hey
look:
can
we
talk
about
this
application?
K
We're
talking
about
lodging
and
most
of
the
things
that
councillors
have
raised
today
were
put
to
the
applicant
in
that
meeting
and
said:
look
if
you're
going
to
lodge
something,
you
probably
need
to
have
regard
for
these
things,
and
I'm
I'm
saddened
that
they
didn't
have
regard
for
that,
then,
because
it
would
have
saved
the
ratepayers
money
and
the
assessing
officer's
time
had
they
just
had
regard
for
those
insights
back
earlier
in
the
process.
A
Thanks
councillors,
debates
close
take
the
vote
all
in
favor
against
carried
that's
unanimous
right.
That
was
our
last
item,
that
being
the
end
of
the
proceedings,
just
a
short
gb
from
council
of
also
that
council
right
to
the
state
and
federal
governments.
A
All
right,
thank
you.
Everyone
meeting,
close
1224.