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C
A
All
right
so
counselors
attendance
and
apologies,
so
we've
got
two
apologies
this
morning,
one
from
council
can
we
move
them
collectively:
okay,
the
apologies
for
councillor
gates
and
councillor
hamill
be
received
and
accepted
seconded
by
councillor,
peter
young,
all
in
favor
against
carrick.
A
A
All
right
confirmation
minutes
counsellors,
someone
like
to
move
the
minutes.
Councillor
o'neill
seconded
by
councillor
pauline
young
take
the
vote
all
in
favor
against
carried
yeah
conflict
of
interest
declarations.
Council
of
warsaw.
Did
I
see
some
yeah.
C
Thank
you,
mr
chairman,
so
this
relates
to
item
6.3
station
neighborhood
concept,
plans,
community
engagement
outcomes
and
updated
concept
plans
when
this
item
was
considered.
Originally,
I
brought
the
meeting's
attention
to
the
fact
that
I
might
I
may
have
someone
may
perceive
that
I
have
an
interest
in
the
decision,
given
that
I
have
a
friend
who
lives
in
one
of
the
identified
precincts
in
the
neighborhood
planning
exercise.
C
A
friend
and
electoral
donor,
and
also
friend
through
my
wife
and
my
recollection
at
the
time,
was
that
those
declarations
were
not
made
at
committee
or
council.
I
merely
brought
it
to
the
meeting's
attention
in
case
procedurally,
one
of
my
colleagues
wished
to
deal
with
it
differently.
C
I
did
check
the
minutes
of
that
relevant
meeting
and
saw
that
no
dcoi
was
recorded,
so
I'm
satisfied
that
I'd
ventilated
it,
but
there
were
no
issues
raised
by
my
colleagues,
given
that
this
takes
us
one
step
further
in
progressing
plans.
I
thought
I'd
take
a
fresh
opportunity
to
bring
the
meeting's
attention
to
the
fact
that
I
have
a
friend
who
lives
along
the
corridor
at
knobby,
beach
friend
and
electoral
donor
at
miami
and
friends.
With
the
development
site
in
around
knobby
beach,
if
anyone
has
any
questions,
I'm
happy
to
answer
them.
A
C
C
I
make
the
dcoi
so
while,
while
these
3d
cois
appear
on
the
agenda,
I
did
not
ask
for
them
to
appear
on
the
agenda.
I
merely
forwarded
it
on
some
pro
forma
forms
to
the
city
solicitor
asking
for
advice
right.
I
haven't
received
that
advice
from
the
city
solicitor,
but
they've
appeared
on
the
agenda,
so
I'm
not
proposing
to
make
the
declarations.
Okay,.
A
C
I
totally
support
what
you're
saying
in
order
to
document
our
contemplation.
I
just
don't
feel
as
though
these
tables
in
their
current
format
represent
the
ventilation
of
issues
because
they
actually
would
appear
to
someone
reading
that
I
am
making
a
declaration
or
feel
that
I
need
to
okay.
So.
C
A
We
just
we.
This
came
up
recently
where
we
talked
about
whether
there
should
be
a
different
mechanism
for
having
this
captured
for
visibility
yeah
afterwards,
but
if
you're
comfortable
with
that,
anyone
else
think
that
councillor
vorster
should
take
further
action
in
relation
to
formalizing
the
declarations.
A
A
And
I'll
unstar
6.2
council
hamel's
not
here,
but
he
has
an
interest
in
that
matter.
So
I'm
going
to
ask
some
questions
on
his
behalf.
So
we'll
unstar
six
point.
A
D
D
D
The
proposed
development
includes
a
single
story
built
form
with
a
total
height
of
6.1
metres.
The
proposal
includes
a
landscaping
buffer
around
the
perimeter
of
the
site,
a
total
of
8
refuelling
stations
and
20
on-site
car
parking
spaces.
The
food
and
drink
outlet
includes
a
drive-through
facility.
D
The
service
station
seeks
to
operate
24
hours
a
day
seven
days
a
week,
and
the
food
and
drink
outlet
seeks
to
operate
from
6
a.m,
to
10
p.m.
Seven
days
a
week
following
site-specific
investigations,
the
subject
site
was
identified
on
the
ormo
hills.
Conceptual
land
use
map
as
a
business
area
for
fringe
business.
D
D
The
subject
site
is
adjacent
to
existing
sensitive
receivers
to
the
west.
Therefore,
officers
have
ensured
the
built
form
provides
appropriate
amenity
protection
measures.
With
regards
to
the
built
form,
the
development
provides
a
minimum
setback
of
11
metres
from
the
western
boundary,
which
is
supported
by
a
6
to
7.5
metre
wide
landscaping
buffer
in
terms
of
noise.
Attenuation
measures
include
a
2.4
metre,
high
acoustic
fence
along
the
northern
and
western
boundaries,
as
well
as
operational
restrictions
for
hours
of
refuge,
collection
and
programming
associated
with
tire
deflators.
D
With
regard
to
lighting,
officers
have
recommended
specific
conditions
that
requires
lighting
to
be
provided
in
accordance
with
the
australian
standard
for
environmental
zone
2,
which
is
the
standard
for
semi-rural
lighting
to
reduce
any
potential
amenity
impacts.
The
recommended
conditions
in
regards
to
hours
of
operation
and
lighting
address
concerns
raised
by
submitters.
D
Officers
have
considered
the
additional
traffic
demand
generated
by
the
proposed
development
and
determined
that
the
applicant
must
complete
upgrades
to
the
existing
intersection
at
downward
street
and
tilly
rowan
road.
The
required
upgrades
allow
for
motorists
to
cross
the
northbound
lane
and
to
temporarily
stop
within
the
center
aisle
before
proceeding
to
cross
into
the
southbound
lane.
This
is
referred
to
as
a
two-stage
right
turn
and
is
found
throughout
the
city.
D
D
B
Thanks
chair
the
the
already
approved
service
station
up
the
road:
does
it
have
a
cafe
or
convenience
store
attached
as
well?
Do
you
know.
D
Through
the
chair,
it
does
have
an
ancillary
sort
of
convenience
store
associated
with
it.
It's
a
7-eleven
development.
B
D
Through
the
chair
just
the
service
station
component
throughout
the
development
application,
the
applicant
was
supportive
of
restricting
the
hours
of
operation
for
the
food
and
drink
outlet
component.
Okay,.
C
C
C
I
just
wanted
a
sense
from
city
offices
what
the
ultimate
end
of
that
road
might
look
like
and
where
it
might
terminate
to,
because
I've
got
no
visibility
of
who
might
own
that
lot.
3Rp.
D
Yeah,
so
through
the
chair,
we
expect
that
the
mccready
road
will
punch
through
straight
to
almo
ridge
road.
In
the
future.
We
have
been
discussing
a
future
application
with
the
current
landowner.
D
C
Just
so,
I
can
understand
what
amenity
concerns
might
unfold
or
issues
might
emerge.
Could
you
walk
me
through
any
differences
that
exist
between
the
development
conditions
attached
to
the
7-11
development
and
the
development
that
we're
considering
today
in
terms
of
operating
hours,
setbacks,
vegetated
buffer
and
all
that.
D
Yeah
so
through
the
chair,
your
first
question
about
hours
of
operation,
we
imposed
similar
conditions
on
the
7-eleven
to
restrict
from
5am
to
midnight.
The
applicant
did
appeal
the
decision
there
and
was
afforded
24-hour
operating
rights
over.
D
The
proposed
development
includes
a
2.5
meter
vegetation
buffer
along
the
western
boundary
compared
to
the
current
development,
which
provides
a
six
to
seven
point.
Five
meter
buffer.
C
Look,
I
mean
I
kind
of
get
that
if
that
mccready
road
is
anticipated
to
punch
through
it's
not
as
though
you've
got
homes
backing
against
the
development.
But
I
wanted
to
ask
that
question
because
I
think
when
we
attach
conditions,
they've
got
to
be
reasonable
and
if
there's
precedent,
36
metres
away.
I
think
we
expose
ourselves
a
little
bit
in
that.
We
might
think
we're
securing
a
good
outcome
for
the
community,
but
they
might
not
ultimately
be
enforceable
because
you
know
this
applicant
can
point
to
7-eleven.
C
D
So
through
the
chair,
there's
the
clum
overlay
map
for
the
subject
site
and
let
me
just
bring
that
out
for
you
again
so
the
top
three
lots
that
is
the
three
to
seven
tilly
round
road
and
that
is
not
identified
in
the
emerging
community
zone.
Rather,
it
is
identified
in
the
mixed-use
fringe
business
precinct,
whereas
the
subject
site
is
identified
in
the
emerging
communities
but
does
have
the
clum
overlay
map.
A
C
C
D
A
To
explain
it
is
that
you
can
imagine
the
orange
and
black
hatchetting
continuing
up
to
the
intersection,
but
through
a
quirk
of
the
fact
that
this
is
in
an
emerging
community
zone,
it
has
become
impact
accessible
by
that
and
the
other
one
was
code
okay.
So
it's
a
code
assessable
use
effectively
on
this
straight.
Yes,
but.
C
All
right
and
john
notice,
I
think
city
officers
might
have
gone
out
to
site
based
on
some
of
those
images,
but
that
this
tilley
ruined
road.
If
I
pronounced
that
right,
tilly,
rowan,
tilly,
rowan
road,
what's
the
function
of
that
road.
C
C
C
When
city
officers
looked
at
the
potential
traffic
impacts
of
this
second
service
station,
did
they
merely
look
at
the
impact
of
the
service
station,
or
did
they
consider
that
there
might
be
more
traffic
induced
to
this
precinct
because
it
becomes
an
area
known
for
having
multiple
service
stations?
If
that
makes
sense,
I.
A
The
heavy
hitter
would
you
mind
emily,
just
changing
the
slide
to
an
aerial
of
the
slightly
broader
area,
I'll
just
preface
whatever
chris
is
going
to
say
by
saying
that
I
think
you'll
find
that
the
biggest
take-up
of
use
of
this
will
actually
be
locals,
who
are
exiting
the
m1
on
their
way
home
and
will
grab
some
fuel
here
and
the
alternative
fuel
site.
That's
on
the
west.
A
A
little
bit
to
the
north
of
this
shot,
unfortunately,
is
in
a
very
awkward
position
in
terms
of
inducing
traffic
into
the
what's
effectively
the
overpass
area.
So
yeah.
E
Through
you,
mr
chair,
sir
ma'am,
the
traffic
assessment
assumed
for
the
service
station
component
100
trips
an
hour,
so
that's
50
cars
and
50
cars
out
in
an
hour
which
is
based
on
standard
trip
generation
rates
and
the
food
and
drink
outlet
component,
which
is
a
drive-through
coffee.
As
I
understand
which
generates
more
traffic
in
the
morning,
that
was
an
additional
100
trips
in
the
morning
peak
hour
and
a
lesser
amount
25
trips
in
the
pm.
E
E
But
there
is
a
component
that
is
assumed
to
be
new
trips
or
trips
that
are
redirected
through
the
area
to
visit
the
service
station.
Okay,.
C
For
me,
when
I
think
about
a
road
that
has
multiple
service
stations,
I
begin
thinking
of
scottsdale
drive.
For
example,
it
seems
as
though
every
new
development
has
got
a
child
care
center,
a
servo
and
a
physio
and
a
bit
of
retail
and
either
a
gyg
or
a
starbucks.
That
seems
to
be
every
second
d,
a
that
I
see
and
what
I
found
along
scottsdale
drive
in
particular.
C
Is
that
especially
on
these
higher
order
roads
that
there
isn't
a
need
to
deliver
footpaths
in
order
to
take
cyclists
and
pedestrians
off
the
road
and
make
sure
that
people
are
navigating
in
a
safe
way
as
they
attempt
to
traverse
busy
vxos.
Now
having
a
look
at
the
aerials,
it
seems
that
there's
no
footpaths
in
the
area
right.
So
I'm
looking
at
again
that
page
274.
C
D
The
chair
yeah,
there
is
a
condition
for
a
trunk
footpath
of
2.5
metres
long
along
the
frontage
of
the
site.
Officers
have
considered
the
prior
development
at
three
to
seven
tilley
road
road
and
we'll
have
an
active
linkage
along
the
whole
frontage.
A
similar
condition
was
imposed
on
that
development.
All.
C
C
F
Through
you,
mr
chair,
the
condition,
nine
has
sorry
the
actual
words
for
the.
Could
you
give
me
a
page
reference.
Sorry,
counselor,
245,
245,
yeah.
F
So
practically
what
happens
here
through
the
chair
is
that
in,
for
example,
the
service
station
would
operate
from
if
these
conditions
became
the
conditions
of
approval.
The
service
station
would
operate
from
5am
to
midnight.
So
that
means
you
could
turn
up
in
your
car
at
11.
59
fill
up
and
you
might
go
over
by
a
few
minutes,
but
the
intent
would
be
that
the
business
would
cease
to
operate
at
12
they're,
probably
a
few
five
ten
minutes
after
where
staff
are
leaving,
and
that
is
how
to
be
practically
enforced.
C
Is
there
a
way
of
strengthening
that
condition
so
that
all
active
all
business
activity
on
the
site
ceases
after
those
hours,
because
for
me
you
know,
I
just
think
back
working
in
retail
shop.
At
close,
I
might
sometimes
be
there
half
an
hour
to
45
minutes
later
catching
up
on
all
of
the
admin
and
day
clothes
work
that
I
can't
get
to
because
the
store
was
under
staff
during
the
day.
So
is
there
a
way
to
reasonably
strengthen
that
condition,
to
make
sure
that
the
operating
hours
are
the
operating
hours.
F
Through
you,
mr
chair,
if
the
committee
wanted
to
they
could
amend
part
9a
as
council
of
also
just
said
said,
all
activity
associated
with
the
service
station
is
to
cease.
Okay,
thank
you.
I
guess
it.
As
you
know,
the
compliance
area
is
sort
of
driven
by
complaints
rather
than
sort
of
surveillance.
I
suppose
so.
If
there
were
staff
in
there
operating,
you
know
tidying
up
the
register
or
doing
whatever
and
it
wasn't
causing
bother.
Then
they
would
probably
continue
to
do
so.
C
Sure,
absolutely
on
mr
chairman,
I'm
just
sensitive
to
the
fact.
We've
got
a
lot
of
local
submitters
sure,
obviously
interested
in
what
happens
in
their
neighborhood
and
I've.
No
doubt
that,
should
this
be
approved,
if
they
push
the
friendship,
we
would
receive
a
complaint
and
I'd
want
to
put
city
officers
in
the
strongest
possible
place
to
compel
a
real
world
outcome
that
that
mirrors
the
potential
intent
of
the
committee.
So
I
think
strengthening
that
language
might
actually
assist
with
enforcement
rather
than
making
it
subject
of
discretion
and
interpretation.
Sure
thanks.
G
G
E
G
Okay,
thank
you
so
just
coming
back
to
the
report
chairman
on
page
two
to
eight
there's
a
discussion
about
offsets
for
the
transport
network-
and
I
just
I
just
want
to
understand
what
we're
looking
at
here.
G
A
A
Or
234,
if
we
constructed
it
well,
exactly
yeah,
that's
right!
I.
G
Mean
I
I
don't
want
the
credited
value
to
be
higher
necessarily,
but
I
think
we've
got
some
really
bad
information
behind
all
of
this,
whereby
the
the
city's
chart
charges
resolution
was
made
in
2019
and
obviously
construction
rates
have
increased
dramatically.
But
if
you
look
at
that,
you
know
it's
five
thousand
dollars
for
establishment
and
five
thousand
dollars
for
traffic
control.
Well,
that's
not
going
to
get
a
look
in
for
any
of
our
projects
and
and
95
meters
of
footpath
for
20
000
bucks.
G
Well,
for
us
it's
about
a
thousand
dollars
a
meter,
so
I
just
wonder
about
these
rates
as
they
apply
to
yeah.
You
know
what
the
potential
income
might
be,
whereas
in
this
case,
obviously
we're
looking
at
what
the
benefit
to
the
developer
might
be.
So
it
doesn't
concern
me
that
much,
but
I
think
that's
a
fundamental
thing.
We
may
need
to
look
at
just
in
regard
to
the
conditions
of
approval
and
obviously,
there's
been
discussion
about
the
hours
of
operation.
G
I
wonder
if
it's
reasonable
for
us
to
impose
a
condition
that
requires
for
any
anticipate
for
any
future
change
to
the
hours
of
approval
of
operation.
I
mean
that
there'd
be
a
an
mcu
type
like
a
an
open
to
public
submissions
application,
rather
than
just
a
change
that
gets
done
through
delegated
authority
or
behind
the
scenes
is
that
is
that
feasible
for
us
to
impose
a
condition
that
says
any
future
change
to
the
hours
of
operation
has
got
to
be
open
and
open
in
public
submissions.
F
Through
mr
chair,
I
don't
think
it's
needed
to
put
that
condition
in,
because
the
act
would
take
care
of
that
that
issue.
If
if
they
did
want
to
change
the
hours
of
operation
later
on,
it
wouldn't
be
a
minor
change,
it
would
be
what's
called
an
other
change
and
because
this
was
an
impact
accessible
d.a
that
other
change
would
also
be
impact
accessible.
So,
oh.
F
And
just
a
quick
comment:
if
I
could
on
the
value
of
those
works,
there
will
be
a,
I
guess,
a
follow-up
process.
So
if
this
developer
chooses
to
go
ahead
and
build
it
there'll
be,
I
guess,
contracts
done
up
between
the
city
and
the
developer,
and
those
rates
will
be
sort
of
further
worked
out
at
that
time
to
reasonably
cover
all
the
costs.
So
this
is
just
an
estimate
of
infrastructure
charges
and
an
estimate
of
the
value
it
works
at
this
mcu
stage.
A
H
Just
want
to
touch
in
relation
to
time
closure
if
we
did
I've
seen
conditions
before
personally,
where
we
have
trading
closing
hours
and
then
there's
a
period
of
time
nominated
for
in
our
case
guests,
but
patrons
and
staff
to
leave
the
particular
site.
So
I
don't
know
if
that
relates
to
different
type
of
usages,
but
I
have
seen
that
used
in
properties
as
before.
H
Coming
back
to
transport,
just
looking
at
the
tilley
tiller
rogan
road,
is
it
the
turn
if
you
turned
right
into
the
new
service
station,
is
it
been
a
a
evaluation
of
how
many
cars
could
potentially
be
in
that
turning
right
lane
before
they
entered
the
actual
site?
The
concern
I
have
seen
in
many
of
these
cases
is:
it
ends
up
causing
a
block
of
your
main
road
as
you're
heading
potentially
he's
at
east
or
west,
so
you
get
into
the
right.
Do
you
want
to
just
bring.
A
A
A
So
I've
asked
the
officers
to
since
we've
got
the
opportunity
to
deal
with
this
one
as
an
impact
assessment,
just
bearing
in
mind
that
people,
you
know,
will
be
impacted
potentially
by
the
the
heights
and
lights
of
things
on
this
site,
that
we
include
a
new
condition
which
limits
the
height
of
the
pylon
sign
to
be
not
higher
than
the
canopy
of
the
fuel
station,
which
I
think
is
fair.
A
So
we've
got
that
worked
up
somewhere
to
add
in
so
just
in
relation
to
a
couple
of
things
that
counselor
hamel
raised
with
me,
which
I
was
just
gonna
he's
probably
watching
at
home.
If
you're
home,
counselor
hamel
we're
missing
you
a
lot,
we
miss
your
strawberries,
even
more
so
roger.
Just
a
couple
of
questions
that
council
hamill's
asked
to
flesh
out.
A
H
Through
you,
mr
chair,
we
didn't
conduct
an
economic
needs
assessment
as
we
considered
it
wasn't
relevant
nor
reasonable
economic
needs.
Assessments
are
usually
carried
out
for
two
purposes:
one
when
a
land
use
is
not
contemplated
on
a
particular
zone.
As
emily's
pointed
out,
this
is
subject
to
a
clum
in
terms
of
the
fringe
business
business
area.
So
we
actually
thought
a
service
station
is
a
business
activity
and
contemplated
so
in
terms
of
the
first
test.
H
In
this
case,
really,
as
emily
said,
it's
just
a
commercial
risk
between
two
proponents
that
are
wanting
to
generate
create
two
service
stations-
36
meters
apart
unusual,
but
not
part
of
the
economic
needs
assessment,
because
it's
not
a
planning
scheme
matter
that
two
proponents
want
to
deliver
service
stations
so
close
together.
So
that's
why
we
didn't
pursue
an
economic
needs.
A
H
Mr
chair,
we
wouldn't
consider
that
to
be
reasonable
nor
relevant,
particularly
if
we're
actually
looking
at
approving
it.
It
would
seem
totally
irrelevant
and
pointless
to
seek
an
economic
needs
assessment.
Okay,.
A
And
so
emily
do
you
have
us?
Do
you
have
a
shop
that
just
zooms
out
a
little
bit
further
into
the
nearby
area,
william.
A
In
this,
but
council
on
jones
probably
knows
where
this
is
particularly,
but
where
the
peachy
garage
is
yeah,
I
mean
look.
This
is
clearly
an
area,
that's
in
some
form
of
transition
and
yeah
191
yeah.
You
can
see
to
the
south
there's
there's
a
patch
of
the
city
that
probably
we
wouldn't
be
as
proud
of
in
its
presentation,
but
it's
included
as
well.
So
all
right,
any
other
questions.
Counsellors.
A
C
You
know,
after
closing,
the
lights
are
still
on,
and
people
driving
by
are
going
to
pull
in
and
the
fact
that
there's
another
servo
36
meters,
away
running
24
hours
a
day
also
with
their
lights
on
to
me,
would
again
induce
people
moving
in,
because
this
is
the
the
first
servo
on
that
northbound
trip.
So
you've
got
people
pulling
in
car
doors,
opening
car
doors,
closing
potentially
causing
nuisance
to
people
behind
the
back
fence.
A
So
including
stuff.
A
B
I
think
there's
a
safety
issue
with
lighting
as
well
for
the
operator
and
you're
right,
there's
usually
only
one
sole
operator
there
at
that
time,
and
I
mean
I
realized,
I
realised
that
it
was
closed.
I
had
to
actually
walk
up
to
the
door
and
he
said-
and
I
said,
put
all
your
lights
on.
He
said.
Well,
that's
that's
because
I'm
here
by
myself
and
I
I
can't
turn
the
lights
off
until
I
leave
so.
B
It
closed,
I
must
have
been
there-
probably
oh,
only
only
10
minutes
after
midnight
and
and
he
still
had
his
lights
on,
he
was
doing
what
he
needed
to
do.
You
know
in
doing
money
or
doing
you
know,
reports
or
whatever,
but
he
said
he
wasn't
allowed
to
turn
off
the
lights
and
now
I'm
talking
about
you
know
where
the
bowsers
are.
He
wasn't
turning
off
those
lights
until
he
actually
left
the
premises,
and
that
was
a
and
that
was
a
you
know,
a
safety
thing
for
him.
Yeah.
A
C
A
C
At
midnight
yeah
and
then
that
way,
what
would
likely
happen
is
they'll
make
a
business
decision
to
permit
their
staff
to
arrive
at
okay
and
delete
that,
but
maybe
yeah
begin
pumping
fuel
at
6am.
The
other
thing
I
think
we
might
wish
to
do,
mr
chairman,
with
regards
to
that
sign,
which
you
want
to
lower
the
height
of
right,
yes,
is
to
actually
have
that
sign,
indicate
the
operating
hours
of
the
service
station.
C
A
Okay,
all
right,
anyone
else
want
to
make
a
contribution
yep
without
cancer,
on
jones
adopted
into
the
motion.
All
right
we'll
take
the
vote
on
that
all
in
favor
against
carried.
I
I
I
I
The
questions
for
feedback
on
the
draft
concept
plans
were
the
same
for
the
crg
members
and
the
tailored
stakeholder
stakeholders.
Rather,
while
the
questions
focus
on
the
draft
concept
plans
directly
in
terms
of
what
their
favorite
features
or
areas
to
improve,
the
questions
also
provided
an
opportunity
to
provide
any
additional
thoughts
or
comments.
I
This
involved
an
email
invitation
to
all
stakers
to
provide
feedback
during
the
survey
period,
with
a
link
to
the
survey
and
access
to
the
draft
concept
plans
of
that
approximately
500
people
viewed
the
draft
concept
plans
with
one
or
the
other
downloaded.
Almost
equally
202
people
continued
with
the
survey
by
selecting
a
draft
concept
plan
to
provide
feedback
on
or
both
and
view.
The
survey
questions.
I
I
J
Still
doesn't
help
me
yeah,
so
essentially,
what
happened
is
about
1500
of
those
1800
survey.
Respondents
asked
that
they'd
be
willing
to
be
followed
up
or
continued
to
be
involved
in
the
process
going
forward.
J
So
what
we've
done
is
actually
reached
out
to
those
1500
approximate
stakeholders
who
said
they
would
like
to
be
followed
up
and
said.
Here's
the
draft
concept
plans.
You
have
any
comments,
so
the
chief
petitioner
was
one
of
those
survey.
Respondents
it's
not
necessarily
that
the
signatories
to
the
survey,
sorry
to
the
petition
were
tailored
stakeholders
as
such.
B
A
Because
the
petition's
been
received
by
council,
so
you
can
tell
cancer
and
jones
yeah,
I
think,
is
mr
sergeant
someone
sergeant.
B
C
Yeah,
I
just
it's
interesting
because
I'm
sure
when
it
comes
time
to
making
other
city
plan
amendments,
other
town
planning
consultancies,
might
seek
meetings
with
city
offices
or
make
submissions
in
this
process.
I
think
this
is
the
first
time
I've
seen
a
town
planner
use
a
petition
in
order
to
compel
effectively
a
bespoke
report
through
council.
Would
that
be
correct,
or
is
this
quite
usual.
C
B
B
F
B
All
that
I
can
recall,
but
from
what
counselor
young
pauline
young's
just
said,
if
he
attends
neighborhood
watch
meetings,
my
guess
is
that
he's
a
local
resident,
responding
as
a
local
resident,
is
permitted
too.
So.
C
G
I
So
we're
just
getting
back
to
the
process
of
finalizing
the
concept
plans,
as
you
can
see
on
the
screen,
we
work
through
the
main
ideas
and
key
considerations
from
the
crg
and
the
tailored
stakeholders
on
what
was
favored
or
what
could
be
improved
to
identify
the
main
areas
of
interest
across
the
concept
plans
and
examine
against
all
the
inputs
to
date.
So
that's
all
the
engagement
activities
done
so
far.
The
whole
of
city
survey
results
as
well
as
enabled
framework
vision
and
principles.
I
This
includes
varying
built
form,
housing
mix
and
employment,
design,
priorities
to
be
achieved,
and,
lastly,
new
information
on
engagement
in
bringing
together
various
inputs
for
greater
project
understanding
has
been
added,
while
the
crg
process
is
not
the
only
input.
It
is
also
important
to
ask
how
the
crg
members
thought
of
the
engagement
process.
I
An
anonymous
survey
invited
feedback
after
the
completion
of
the
crg
process
and
identified
a
high
level
of
satisfaction
with
the
engagement
process.
With
this
reflected
in
the
level
of
agreement
that
the
crg
members
provided
an
opportunity
for
them
to
share
their
views
and
ideas
on
the
planning
of
their
future.
Neighborhoods.
I
I
The
finalized
concept
plans
for
this
committee's
consideration
are
included
in
attachment
three
and
four
of
the
agenda
report.
This
incorporates
the
key
changes,
including
a
few
adjustments
to
building
heights
across
both
concept
plans
to
ensure
appropriate
transition
to
build
form
variation,
as
well
as
east-west
visual
illustrations
of
the
neighborhood
on
how
develop
will
evolve
between
new
and
existing
buildings,
knowing
that
not
areas
will
be
built
out
and
that
the
development
outcomes
will
be
distinctly
different
than
other
locations
in
the
city,
such
as
broad
beach
and
surface
paradise.
I
I
G
Council,
petty
on
event,
do
you
mind
if
I
ask
what
is
the
direct
response
then
to
the
petition,
because
that's
seemingly
to
me
being
created
in
with
good
intent
and
supported
by
a
strong
body
of
local
residents
and
it's
requesting
some
particular
actions
thanks.
J
Through
the
chair,
so
I
guess
there
were
two
components
to
the
petition
that
were
quite,
I
guess,
of
interest
to
the
concept
planning
work
and
also
our
statutory
planning
work
that
we're
taking
forward
provided
council
endorses
this
today.
The
first
component
was,
I
guess,
just
a
flat
out
not
supporting
the
the
concept
plan
and
the
building
heights,
so
we've
been
through
a
very
thorough
process
with
not
only
the
the
survey
at
the
very
beginning,
but
also
with
the
crgs
to
prepare
those
draft
concept
plans.
J
So
certainly
from
our
point
of
view,
we've
done
a
very
thorough
body
of
work
around
the
concept
plans
and
we've.
You
know
seen
that
to
the
end
and
when
brought
them
forward
today.
So
the
decision
of
council,
if
that's
made
today,
to
support
the
concept
plans
we'd,
advise
the
petitioners
that
the
concept
plans
have
been
finalized
and
that
a
future
statutory
amendment
would
be
undertaken
to
reflect
those
concept
plans
into
a
city
plan
using
the
tools
available
in
city
plan.
J
To
do
that,
so
you
won't
necessarily
see
a
neighborhood
plan
as
such,
but
like
targeted
growth,
there's
certain
components
in
our
future
amendment
that
actually
talk
to
neighborhood
characteristics
and
so,
whether
or
not
we
can
reflect
those
through
overlays
or
other
components
of
city
plan,
we
would
use
the
tools
we
have
available
to
reflect.
The
concept
plans
into
city
plan.
A
So
I
mean
this.
The
weird
thing
is
this:
really
is
a
neighborhood
planning
exercise
that
we've
been
through,
so
the
petition
is
kind
of
calling
for
exactly
what
we've
done
and
how
ultimately,
that
gets
put
into
city
plan,
it's
less
about
what
it's
called
it's
more
about.
This
process
that's
been
undertaken,
which
is
doing
the
very
thing
that
the
petition
has
called
for,
albeit
that
they've
said.
Oh
no.
We
don't
like
that
version
of
your
neighborhood
planning.
We
want
a
different
version
of
neighborhood
planning,
so
yeah.
You
know.
G
A
J
Do
you
mean
yes,
even
just
through
this
round,
so
with
the
crgs?
We
did
a
lot
of
work
around
looking
at
the
name,
each
of
these
station
neighborhoods
and
working
with
what
the
survey
respondents
had
advised
us,
which
was
concentrate
uplift
around
stations
and
along
major
transport
corridors.
So
we
work
with
the
crgs
around
okay.
J
What
level
of
uplift
could
be
considered
and
that's
where
generally
the
the
highest
uplift
that
we
looked
at
was
sort
of
that
generally
eight
to
ten
stories
was
the
max
and
then
it
tapered
down
and
it
generally
tapered
down
more
to
the
west.
We
didn't
have
a
lot
of
uplift
to
the
east
of
the
highway,
so
working
with
the.
G
I
was
saying
yeah
okay,
I
recall
that
I
just
wanted
to
be
transparent
about
the
process.
A
J
So
so
each
station
neighborhood
and
and
reflecting
the
comments
that
we
received
through
this
tailored
engagement
activity,
there
have
been
some
modifications
to
the
building
heights
for
each
of
the
station
neighborhoods.
So
I
don't
know
troy
if
you've
got
that
on
the
slide,
but
effectively
for
the
miami
north
and
I'm
sorry
yeah
miami
north
knobby
beach
station
neighborhood.
The
change
was
mainly
in
the
western
area
and
that
was
to
have
a
better
transition.
J
So
there
it
was
a
reduction
in
height
for
one
component
and
then
also
for
yeah,
so
that
area,
that's
highlighted,
you
can
see
there
on
the
screen.
Thank
you.
So
that
was
21
meters.
I
think
previously.
So
it's
been
brought
down
a
little
bit
to
18
to
get
a
better
transition
and
then
for
the
christine
ave
to
second
nav
station
neighborhood.
Those
areas
highlight
as
well
have
had
a
change,
so
there
was
concern
just
about
the
transition
along
the
gold
coast
highway.
J
So
we
had
them
up
a
bit
higher
and
so
they've
been
tapered
down
as
you
get
further
away
from
the
station,
and
that
was
people
were
concerned
about
a
bit
of
a
canyon
effect
along
the
highway
there
yeah.
So
that's
where
changes
have
been
made
to
the
building
heights
as
an
outcome
of
the
tailored
engagement.
J
K
Just
didn't,
were
you
coming
to
me,
then.
Sorry,
no.
A
K
A
K
Okay,
thank
you
very
much
please
so
and
for
all
of
my
colleagues
in
the
room
and
for
those
people
who
are
watching
in
so
I
went
through
the
whole
process
on
both
crgs
on
this
and
attended
every
session,
and
not
only
is
it
the
people
who
took
part
in
the
sessions,
they
actually
very
much
disperse
the
information
amongst
the
local
community.
So
it's
not
just
a
very
limited
group
or
those
people
who
were
originally.
K
Provided
feedback,
the
1800
and
then
down
to
the
1560
that
wanted
to
be
included
following
the
process
is
that
it
has
definitely
been
fed
out
within
the
community.
There's
been
a
lot
of
discussion
about
it,
but
the
things
that
came
most
became
most
apparent
during
the
whole
procedure
was
that
people
understand.
K
Majority
of
people
do
understand
that
we
are
a
growing
city
and
that
we
there's
a
lot
more
people
coming
to
the
city
and
that
they
were
prepared
to
work
through
that
process
with
ensuring
that
we
get
the
better
outcomes
along
those
transport
corridors
where
they're
looking
for
wider
footpaths,
greener
corridors,
amenities
that
actually
support
people
moving
around
actively
towards
our
stations
or
towards
our
bus
stations,
and
that
so
in
being
part
of
all
of
those
groups-
and
it
was
done
very
well
in
the
fact
that
each
time
there
was
a
particular
activity
to
undertake
you
weren't
sitting
with
the
same
people
each
time,
so
the
groups
were
mixed
up
every
single
time.
K
So
everybody's
opinion
was
taken
into
consideration.
Everybody
majority
of
people
challenged
each
other
going
through
them
as
to
why
this
should
be
happening.
There
was
business
people,
there
was
local
residents,
there
was
new
people
to
our
city.
K
There
was
long-term
people
to
our
city,
so
in
the
six
plus
years
that
I've
been
a
counsellor
to
participate
in
this
particular
community
engagement,
I
believe,
is
one
of
the
best
that
I've
actually
been
involved
in
so
because
we
actually
got
good
honest
dialogue
from
people
who
are
well
respected
within
the
community
and
yes,
there
will
always
be
people
that
don't
support
what's
happening,
and
I
believe
the
process
is,
as
our
chair
has
indicated,
is
basically
going
to
give
them
that
the
next
direction
is
almost
like
a
neighborhood
plan
without
actually
calling
it
that
and
people
have
been
able
to
feed
into
where
they
think
the
future
of
the
car.
K
The
actual
identified
corridor.
At
the
moment
where
we're
doing
these
crgcs
will
end
up
going
forward.
So
I
think
when
it
comes
to
planning
our
city
and
planning
that
corridor.
Well,
then,
this
is
a
great
place
to
benchmark
back
to,
and
we
do
know
that.
Then
these
plans,
if
approved
through
us,
will
then
go
out
for
further
community
consultation
going
forward.
So
it's
not
some
people
interpreted
that
once
they
came
out
of
that
group,
the
results
came
out
of
that.
K
So
many
offices
in
the
room
at
the
time
we
had
state
representatives
in
the
room
at
every
session
as
well.
So
it's
probably
one
of
the
most
thorough
consultations
and
inclusion
of
our
residents
and
their
thoughts
going
forward
as
to
how
we're
best
going
to
manage
the
growth
in
our
city,
but
also
support
those
people
who
are
either
just
moving
here
or
have
lived
here
long
term.
K
So
I'd
have
to
say
thank
you
to
all
the
officers
and
the
director
and
that
for
how
this
is
and
richard
who's
done
an
awesome
job
and
all
of
his
team
guiding
people
through
this
and
and
we
are
going
to
get
people
that
don't
necessarily
support
the
outcomes.
But
if
it's
an
outcome
that
gives
us
a
broad
overview,
I
think
we're
looking
we're
working
well
with
our
residents
within
the
city.
So
again,
thank
you
and
well
done
to
everyone.
Thanks.
C
Thank
you,
mr
chairman.
Through
you
to
the
director,
it's
not
a
complex
question,
but
I
think
it's
really
important
to
get
on
the
public
record,
so
our
algebra
ii
is
our
plan
to
deliver
infrastructure
to
meet
the
growth
that
we
anticipate
to
unfold
across
the
city
in
specific
areas.
Right.
B
Through
you,
mr
chair
council
of
also
so
it's
under
the
current
scheme,
I
think
version
eight
is
that
are
we
up
to
eight
yeah?
It
is
not.
If
we
look
at
amendment
two
and
three,
for
example,
lg
2
is
not
prepared
on
that,
but
what
we
would
look
to
do
if,
if
that
changed
in
the
future,
we
would
then
update
the
lgm.
C
If
there
is
any
delay
in
the
progression
of
future
amendments
to
this
plan,
which
could
include
as
we've
had
the
spit
master
plan
was
thrown
into
the
mix
or
when
the
state
land
on
a
position
with
the
olympic
games,
village
at
robina,
our
hands
are
effectively
tied
until
we've
got
an
endorsed
planning
instrument.
Is
that
correct?
A
B
A
That
yeah
in
a
second
any
items
of
general
business.
A
C
General
business
item
well
I'll,
hear
it
first,
okay!
Well,
let's
get
well!
Let
me
ideate
here
that
a
report
be
brought
forward.
C
No,
I
think,
that's
an
offense.
That's
an
offense
under
the
local
government
act.
Yes,
that
a
report
be
brought
forward.
Is
it
frozen.
A
C
C
Let
a
report
be
brought
forward
contemplating.
A
A
A
A
It's
probably
very
relevant
that
we
are,
broadly
speaking
out,
contemplating
the
role
of
electric
vehicles
and
the
way
they
are
in
the
city.
A
There's
probably
some
fundamental
issues
around
the
rules
of
engagement.
If
I
can
put
it
that
way
about
what's
what
we
can
condition
and
the
basis
upon
which
we
do
it,
the
first
limb
of
which
is
about
it
being
for
a
lawful
planning
purpose.
So
so
you
want
to
just
talk
us
through
this
mick
as
to.
F
Yeah
three,
mr
chair,
so
the
chair's
correcting
that
the
conditions
actually
have
to
be,
for,
I
guess
a
planning
purpose
and
and
what
we
often
say
and
what
the
courts
often
say
is.
It
has
to
be
reasonable
and
relevant.
F
F
C
Mr
chairman,
I
I
fully
accept
the
this
pearl
of
wisdom.
That's
been
offered
up
by
mr
moran
and
to
his
point
that
my
general
business
item
talks
of
reasonable
conditions
of
approval,
and
it
could
be
that
the
report
suggests
that
there
are
no
reasonable
conditions
of
approval,
but
I
think
we're
in
this
difficult
position.
Today
I
mean
today
we
considered
an
approval
for
a
service
station
in
10,
15
or
20
years
time.
It's
going
to
be
absolutely
absurd
for
a
future
local
government
to
be
contemplating
additional
service
stations
delivering
hydrocarbons
through
a
nozzle
right.
C
We
already
know
vehicle
manufacturers
are
moving
to
fully
electric,
whether
it's
daimler,
chrysler,
tesla
or
already
doing
it.
Volvo
are
moving
to
it.
So
I
I
see
this
problem
on
the
horizon,
where
we
are
granting
approvals
for
buildings
that
are,
you
know,
we'll
have
a
design
life
of
50
to
75,
maybe
100
years
with
car
parking.
C
B
C
A
F
Mr
chair
could
sorry
to
interrupt.
Could
we
could
we,
just
perhaps
just
say
development
because
there'll
be
a
range
of
development
types
that
might
have
it
and
and
we're
not
conditioning
it
at
the
moment,
yet
we're
seeing
some
proponents
actually
include
it,
because
that's
what
their
future.
C
B
So
to
me,
I
think
we
started
looking
quite
specifically
about
conditions
and
that's
maybe
problematic
to
me
it
might
be
actually
how
we
can
help
influence
the
state
in
the
advocacy
part
of
it.
So
I
think
the
state
government
acknowledges
on
the
gold
coast,
in
particular,
there's
some
issues
around
affordable
housing
and
delivery
of
that
missing
middle,
and
I
think
that
having
good
outcomes
like
this
as
part
of
the
design
process
might
be
something
the
state
should
be
interested
in
whether
or
not
it's
through
their
state
planning
policy.
B
I
don't
know
if
they've
got
a
specific
planning
policy
yet
regarding
electric
vehicles,
but
they
need
to
be
looking
like.
I
mean
it's
okay
to
do
the
electric
highway
and
and
put
in
a
couple
of
charging
stations
because
they
get
some
some
good
social
media.
But
I
think
this
is
actually
about
how
you
can
change
the
way
people
do
things
in
urban
environments.
So.
C
Mr
chairman,
perhaps
we
add
an
a
to
that
that
the
chief
executive
officer
right?
Why
don't
we
let
that
report.
C
A
B
But
it
just
be
city
plan
or
conditions,
there
might
be
other
policies
well.