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A
A
we've
got
a
an
apology
today
from
councillor
darren
taylor.
If
somebody
is
happy
to
move
that
moved
councillor,
corwell
seconded
councilor.
A
Councillor
paterson,
all
those
in
favor.
That's
carried
a
confirmation
of
minutes
from
the
previous
meeting.
Yeah
moved
councillor
owen
jones
seconded
myself,
all
those
in
favor,
that's
carried.
A
A
Oh
well,
your
name's
on
the
list
for
being
a
member,
okay
and
and
a
warm
welcome
to
our
deputy
mayor,
dr
councillor,
donna
gates.
Okay,.
A
Okay,
we've
got
one
two,
three
four
starred
items
counsellors
did
we
want
to
unstar
any
of
those.
A
6.2
and
councillor
peter
young
you're,
moving
5.1,
6.1
and
6.4
all
those
in
favor
on
our
second
or
sorry.
Second,
we'll
go
with
councillor
caldwell.
A
So
we'll
go
to
council
owen
jones,
6.2
beach,
health
report.
C
Thank
you
and
it's
exciting
to
see
that
our
beaches
are
in
a
healthy
position
director
on
page
54,
there
are
there's
the
beach
widths
and
narrow
neck
and
main
beach
are
the
areas
that
are
maybe
my
reading
off
it.
Maybe
where
action
could
be
required
and
my
fundamental
question
is
the
sand
back
pass?
B
Through
you,
madam
chair,
absolutely
councillor,
owen
jones,
the
sand
backpass
project
in
the
northern
part
of
the
city
has
been
designed
specifically
to
bring
additional
sand
into
those
beaches
which
have
the
lowest
beach
profile
and
our
most
vulnerable
has
picked
up
in
this
section
of
the
report.
So
that
will
be
a
mitigation
measure.
C
And
does
that
also
is
the
majority
of
the
I'm
going
to
say
the
red
for
the
profile
volume
on
the
next
page
is
also
in
that
similar
type
of
area
and
rot
again
usable
beach
width.
So
it
does.
Is
that
a
one
long
campaign
to
divert
the
sand
or
do
we
need
to
be
mindful
of
what
it
does
for
south
stradbroke.
B
Through
you,
madam
chair,
yes,
we
do
need
to
be
very
mindful
of
what
we
do
to
south
stradbroke,
so
there's
already
a
sand
pushed
to
south
australia,
but
this
will
pull
additional
sand
which
is
available
from
the
broad
water
through
to
narrow
neck
surface
main
main
beach
area
in
a
series
of
concerted
campaigns
over
time.
So
it
won't
be
a
massive
hit,
it'll
be
as
required.
B
The
team
will
continue
to
monitor
the
beaches
as
they
do
on
a
monthly
basis
and
we'll
be
able
to
effectively
pulse
seeing
through
the
system
at
the
critical
times
to
build
up
the
beach
so
that
we
can
prevent
that
erosion
through
a
long
shore
drift
to
the
north.
Okay.
B
Thank
you,
madam
chair,
while
darren's
making
his
way
over
to
the
table
just
a
bit
of
context.
As
you
recall,
we
conducted
a
trial
of
a
beach
club
in
the
cairo
area.
This
report
is
a
report
back
to
committee
and
council
on
how
that
trial
went
and
proposes
a
way
forward,
so
darren
you
want
to
take
it
from
there.
D
Did
you
want
me
to
talk
through
the
report
belton
or
through
madam
chair
or
just
take
questions?
Okay,
thank
you
all
right,
so
as
ellen
outlined.
Obviously,
the
purpose
of
the
trial
was
actually
obviously
to
undertake
the
trial,
but
also
during
the
trial
we
collected
community
consultation.
We
also
had
feedback
from
key
events,
stakeholders
as
well,
so
that's
internal
council
offices,
but
also
into
external
groups
as
well
like
office
of
the
liquor,
gaming
and
regulation
in
terms
of
the
trial.
It
was
run
from
the
first
of
december
till
the
14th
of
march.
D
There
was
an
extension
to
that
for
six
weeks
from
the
end
of
sorry,
the
end
of
january
to
the
14th
of
march,
and
that
was
done
under
an
exception
to
actually
undertake
the
trial.
There
was
three
issues
that
the
city
needed
to
step
through
the
first
one
was
tenure.
D
D
The
second
issue
was
planning
because
the
use
was
temporary
less
than
28
days
in
a
calendar
year,
we
did
not
need
to
submit
an
mcu,
so
that
was
a
temporary
use
under
the
planning
scheme
for
the
six
weeks
extension.
We
did
that
under
an
exception
certificate
under
section
46
and
roger,
can
talk
about
that,
if
required
in
terms
of
operational
works,
because
the
beach
club
trial
can
actually
be
bumped
in
and
bumped
out,
the
operational
works
was
not
required.
D
They
considered
that
minor
works
and
then
the
actual
permit
to
the
operator
was
issued
under
the
local
laws.
Nine
and
ten.
D
There
was
set
out
in
the
report.
Just
let
me
get
to
that.
There
was
four
thou
sorry
44
820
visitors
to
the
beach
club.
There
was
2741
community
survey
participants
and
the
the
survey
was
actually,
I
guess,
promoted
through
a
number
of
engagement
exercises,
one
being
our
our
project.
Web
page,
the
other
one
was
through
australia,
venue,
co's
beach
club
web
page
and
their
website
social
media
campaigns.
D
D
There
was
31
business
survey,
participants
69
of
the
community
that
actually
went
to
the
beach
club
said
they
had
a
positive
experience.
74
of
the
business
survey.
Respondents
has
had
a
positive
experience
and
many
would
like
to
see
it
as
a
permanent
concept
throughout
the
year
in
terms
of
actual
support
for
the
beach
club
57
of
the
community
survey.
D
The
fencing
and
a
lot
of
the
residences
in
the
high
rise
looking
down
on
the
actual
beach
club
complained
about
the
or
gave
feedback
about
the
actual
containers
that
they're
rusty.
On
top
the
other
one
was
there
was
concerns
about
impacts
to
local
businesses,
but
specifically,
obviously,
to
the
carrera
surf
lifesaving
club,
the
feedback
that
came
from
the
internal
event
management
group,
which
was
run
through
city
events,
and
that
was
the
normal
process
for
any
city
event.
D
D
Its
interface
with
the
with
the
public,
but
also
with
the
footpath
lifeguard
services,
also
acknowledged
that
if
there
was
to
be
this
is
a
continuing
event
that
there
should
be
lifeguard
services
for
those
days
or
those
events
where
there's
you
know
at
capacity
things
like
new
year's
eve
and
things
like
that
outside
of
the
flagged
area.
D
Time
again,
the
back
of
house
temporary
infrastructure
was
raised,
and
that
was
from
the
environmental
health
officers
more
concerned
about
storage
of
food
storage,
of
the
implementations
to
serve
food,
and
the
other
feedback
was
events
for
that
already
approved
on
the
site.
Most
of
those
were
managed
very
effectively
by
city
events
and
the
social
beach
volleyball.
That
was
impacted
as
well.
D
D
D
D
The
other
thing
to
note
was,
as
the
city
has
procured,
a
planning
agency
to
actually
lodge
the
da
that's
required.
It
would
be
a
hotel
use
da.
It
would
be
impact
accessible
at
this
stage.
That
planner
is
also
giving
advice
on
what
improvements
we
could
do
to
the
site
to
address
the
community
concerns
and
that
will
feed
through
the
mcu
process
as
well
back
to
council
in
terms
of
the
operator.
D
Obviously,
we
did
have
australia
venue
cove
for
the
trial.
It's
the
advice
of
procurement
that
we
would
actually
go
back
to
the
market
again
around
the
operator,
because,
obviously
the
the.
If
we
continue
to
three
year
six
months
per
annum,
it
would
be
a
lot
more
attractive
to
the
market
and
we
would
want
to
actually
test
the
market
to
get
the
best
outcome
for
the
city.
The
other
things
around
rent
bond
and
all
those
things
would
need
to
come
back
to
council
for
consideration.
C
D
C
D
E
E
First
of
all,
the
images
on
the
documentation
that
was
sent
out
would
you,
like
it,
certainly
look
very
attractive,
very
nice
and
shiny
and
nothing
like
what
was
my
experience.
When
I
went
there,
there's
no
accurate
images
of
how
it
blocks
off
the
horizon
of
the
city
of
the
beach.
As
you,
you
know
this
very
special
part
of
our
beach
that
you
come
up
to.
So
there
was
a
pretty
one-sided
approach
on
our
social
media
engagement.
E
E
E
With
that
with
a
business
survey
stat,
yes,
we're
meant
to
believe
that
that
31
businesses
that
were
surveyed
yes,
gives
us
an
indication
of
what
those
small
businesses
think
and
but
when
you
read
through
the
the
data,
it
also
says
that
that
the
majority
of
those
ones
that
did
respond
said
they're
also
interested
in
partnering
with
the
trial.
E
So
of
course
they
are
there's
a
financial
benefit
to
them.
So
do
you
not
see
that
there's
an
issue
with
that
methodology
when
you're
getting
feedback
from
people
who
actually
want
to
get
a
partnership
and
get
some
benefit
out
of
it,
because
clearly,
not
every
small
business
there
can
have
a
partnership
with
them
yeah.
So
that's
my
question.
D
So
in
terms
of
the
number-
yes,
the
31,
it's
disappointing,
I
I
can
say
that
the
through
the
city
economy,
email
list
that
we
did
go
through
through
that
as
well,
and
we
also
grounded
consulting
who
were
the
consultation
consultant
that
we
put
on,
did
walk
through
all
abroad
beach,
but
obviously
it's
very
difficult
to
actually
get
the
owners
of
the
particular.
D
You
know
business
as
well
to
actually
do
the
sticks
to
give
that
feedback,
but
you
counselor
take
what
you're
saying
if,
if
that
was
the
trial
was
to
continue,
then
that's
something
that
the
council
could
consider
in
terms
of
either
getting
the
operator
to
provide
those
opportunities
or
not
provide
those
opportunities.
I
guess
it
was
just
a
general
question
that
was
derived
that
we
were
seeking
from
yeah.
You
know
businesses
would
they
would,
and
it
was
probably
at
the
time
more
around.
D
You
know,
boutique
breweries
or
anything
like
that
supplying
you
know
those
kind
of
things.
It
was
a
very
direct
question
around
that
particular
kind
of
opportunity
and
it
was
to
test
if
there
were
any
other
opportunities
that
would
come
from
the
business
community
as
well.
E
Yeah
so
my
my
point
there
and
I
think,
you've
kind
of
pointed
to
it-
is
that
I'd
assert
that
that
that
result
that
we
got
from
them
is
skewed,
because
it's
for
people
who
are
going
to
get
a
financial
benefit.
Could
you
please
share
in
your
words,
what
do
you
think
is
the
underlying
intent
of
why
we're
considering
this?
Why
are
we
considering
a
beach
club.
E
E
So
would
you
think
that
these
stats
that
you've
done
reflect
that
because,
as
far
as
I'm
concerned
that
these
stats
would
suggest
it's
a
reason?
Why
not
to
continue
56
of
the
people
who
did
attend
said
that
they
would
not
attend
another
business
in
broad
beach
that
day,
so
we
have
and
then
to
follow
it
up.
Hang
on.
I
will
get
the
stats
for
this,
but
the
majority
of
those
people
said
they
would
have
had
visited
broad
beach
anyway,
if
it
wasn't
operational,
so
we
have
effectively
taken.
E
D
E
A
And
and
just
a
little
bit
of
feedback
on
that
is
that
I
think,
if
you're
going
to
an
event
like
if
you're,
going
to
a
wedding
or
you're
going
to
a
birthday
or
you're
going
to
a
function,
you
go
to
the
event
you
choose
to
enjoy
that
event,
and
then
you
choose
to
go
home,
so
it
could
be
skewed
in
the
other
direction
too.
This
is
an
offering
that
people
have
chosen
to
meet
a
group
of
friends
there
and
then
they
depart
and
go
back.
Are
they
going
to
go
close
shopping
at
the
time?
A
A
I
understand
what
you're
saying,
but
also
the
other
alternative
right
is
that
if
you
are
choosing
to
meet
people
at
a
function,
you
don't
necessarily
go
and
do
those
other
things
on
the
way
home
and
also
for
the
other
businesses
in
the
area
that
have
given
the
feedback
there
would
they
have
gone
to
broad
beach
at
any
one
time
if
there
hadn't
been
a
beach
club?
Well
then,
yes,
they
do
go
into
broad
beach.
For
other
things,
this
is
an
additional
offering,
as
in
the
mayor
a
minute
indicated
it's
an
additional
offering.
E
E
I
get
that,
but
your
your
comment
goes
to
that
first
question
that
okay,
I
wouldn't
have
visited
anyway,
and
if
that
was
the
only
data
we
got
back,
maybe
but
then
we
got
additional
data.
That
said,
I
would
have
gone
to
broad
beach
anyway,
even
if
this
wasn't
here,
so
we
are
definitely
taking
business
away
from
the
small
businesses.
E
The
other
stat,
which
you
didn't
happen
to
mention
today,
is
that
of
the
people
who
did
not
visit
yes,
who
evidently
represent
98.
If
we're
going
to
take
this
data
as
we're
as
reflective
of
our
community
well
they're,
representing
99
of
our
population,
64
of
them
are
not
supportive
of
the
beach
trial.
So
I
just
note
that
you
didn't
happen
to
mention
that
in
the
opening
remarks.
Can
I
just
confirm
that
that's
correct.
D
So
sorry,
so
57
of
the
community
survey
responded
that
they
think
that
the
the
gold
coast
should
have
a
beach
club.
So
that's
the
57
percent.
Yes,
the
43
is
obviously
the
the
ones.
That
said
no
in
terms
of
visitation,
so
of
the
the
total
survey
size,
1512
visited
and
1239
did
not
visit.
E
Well,
maybe
they're
not
informed,
but
you
don't
have
to
go.
If,
if
you
know
that
this
is
not
something
that
you're
interested
in
for
your
city,
you
don't
have
to
go
to
it
and
visit
it
to
know
that
you're
not
it.
So
I
just
my
my
concern
here
is
we're
meant
to
be
taking
all
this
research
as
the
reason
for
extending
this
and
all
the
research
as
far
as
I'm
concerned
points
to
consistently
why
this
isn't
a
good
idea,
but
anyway,
okay
they're
my
questions
for
a
moment.
Thank
you.
F
Thank
you
very
much,
madam
chair.
I
just
want
to
provide
some
context
around
my
questions
because
they
touch
on
different
facets
to
the
report
than
counselor
patterson,
but
I
just
want
to
clear
up,
I
suppose,
my
thinking
so
that
my
questions
are
properly
taken.
F
Madam
chief,
for
those
who
who
attended
the
lifestyle
and
community
committee
meeting
this
morning,
we
extended
a
trial
for
a
skydive
business
operating
at
the
spit,
and
one
of
the
reasons
why
we
made
the
decision
to
extend
that
trial
is
because
12
months
worth
of
trading
in
difficult
conditions,
both
from
a
weather
and
border
and
pandemic
perspective,
actually
did
not
afford
that
operator
an
opportunity
to
generate
the
sort
of
data
that
we
might
require
in
order
to
make
a
fully
informed
decision.
F
So
I
totally
respect
that
counselor
patterson
feels
as
though
the
data
does
not
support
an
extension,
but
I
actually
feel
as
though
the
data
hasn't
done
its
job
to
paint
a
full
picture.
So
when
I
consider
whether
or
not
to
support
an
extension
of
the
trial.
For
me,
it's
less
about
the
merit
of
a
beach
bar,
but
more
about
making
a
fully
formed,
fully
informed
decision
that
has
more
information.
F
Now
on
the
issue
to
do
with-
and
I
appreciate
it's
not
debate,
but
I
just
want
to
couch
my
questions
on
the
issue
of
economic
impact.
I
think
we
cannot
ignore
the
fact
that
our
city's
tourism
industry
was
on
its
knees.
F
F
But
I
have
concerns
about
what's
been
said
today
in
terms
of
what
the
process
looks
like
and
whether
or
not
that's
actually
been
reflected
in
the
office's
recommendations.
So,
for
example,
we've
heard
today
that,
in
order
to
have
any
permanency
around
this
trial,
a
development
application
is
required
to
be
lodged,
and
we've
heard
that
that
will
come
back
to
council.
F
But
we
also
have
a
recommendation
which
reads
in
part
three,
that
the
chief
executive
officer
is
authorized
to
make
a
development
application
for
a
material
change
of
use
for
a
beach
club
use
and
any
related
uses
on
carrow
terrace
and
do
all
things
necessary
or
desirable
to
progress.
The
application,
and
I
just
wonder
whether
there's
a
circumstance
where
the
ceo
may
do
everything
within
his
power
and
everything
that
he
may
deem
desirable
to
progress
and
approve
a
development
application
outside
the
assessment
of
the
responsible
committee
and
ultimately,
council.
G
Through
you,
madam
chair
apologies
for
my
attire,
I'm
a
late
calling
in
relation
to
point
three
councillor
vorster
that
only
authorizes
the
ceo
to
make
an
application.
It
certainly
doesn't
authorize
the
ceo
to
decide
the
application.
F
G
Through
you,
madam
chair,
we
treat
this
application
just
like
any
other
application
that
we
receive.
We
have.
We
have
policies
for
impact
assessment,
applications
where
there
are
submissions
where
we
liaise
with
the
divisional
councillor
whether
that
item
will
be
forwarded
to
the
city
planning
committee
or
not
so.
F
Madam
chief,
I
can
just
make
this
point
on
the
back
of
my
questions.
I
think
that
that's
a
deficiency
in
the
officer
recommendation,
because
we're
talking
about
new
ground
for
the
city,
something
that
stokes
significant
community
interest
and
tension
and
deserves
the
scrutiny
of
a
committee
and
full
council
and
I'm
very
concerned
that
the
recommendation
does
not
refer
the
an
eventual
development
application
back
to
committee,
and
I
think,
if
we
arrive
at
a
position
collectively
that
this
is
worth
supporting,
that
da
must
come
back
to
us.
So
there'll
need
to
be
a
change.
F
D
So
through
the
chair,
the
reason
for
the
related
uses
was
that
we
wanted
to
hoover
up
any
other.
It
could
be
kids,
pantomime
or
anything
like
that
that
we
would.
We
would
reasonably
expect
to
be
happening
on
the
caraway
terrace
in
that
space,
so
it
was
more
to
not
preclude
anything
rather
than
exclude
anything.
So
that
was
the
reason
for
that
statement.
D
So
we
actually
did
a
a
conversation
with
destination
gold
coast
with
major
events,
gold
coast
to
actually
consider
all
the
other
uses,
because
we
didn't
want
to
limit
by
actually
going
down
the
hotel
use
that
you
know
we
would
not
be
able
to
have
those
types
of
events.
So,
madam
chair.
F
Through
to
darren,
I'm
gonna
ask
you
to
excuse
me
for
a
moment
not
from
the
room,
but
I
I
suppose,
missed
the
section
of
the
report
that
deals
with
some
of
these
other
potential
uses
that
may
be
included
in
this
development
application.
Can
you
point
me
to
the
page
in
the
report
or
section
that
deals
with
these
other
users,
because
I
missed
it
and
it
could
be
that
they're
not
listed.
F
F
Yeah,
so
so
I
I
just
think
if,
particularly
if
there
is
no
direction
that
this
development
application
come
back
through
council,
I
think
it
is
highly
risky
for
the
council.
This
is
my
personal
view
for
the
council
to
authorize
the
ceo
to
potentially
tack
on
any
other
related
uses
which
may
support
a
beach
club
trial.
With
children's
pantomime.
F
I
mean
I
would
never
have
put
children's
pantomime
in
the
same
orbit
as
a
hotel
you,
so
it
would
have
been
good
to
get
some
clarity
in
the
report
around
what
the
scope
of
those
users
might
be.
I'm
sure
darren.
D
F
So
we
have
an
opportunity
today
to
support
an
extension
of
a
beach
trial
which
will
trigger
a
development
application,
but
it
will
actually
indelibly
change
the
way
that
this
corner
of
broad
beach
is
used.
So
we
need
to
be.
We
need
to
have
a
laser-like
focus
on
what
this
development
application
is,
because
if
it
is
progressed
and
supported
to
unscramble,
the
egg
will
be
all
but
impossible,
and
I
just
would
have
hoped
and
expected
that
that
would
have
been
a
little
bit
clearer
in
the
report,
because
for
me
it
just
induces
too
much
risk.
F
Madam
chair,
my
next
question
deals
with
recommendation,
part
five,
and
it
reads
that
the
chief
executive
officer
investigate
options
for
the
appointment
of
an
experienced
beach
club
operator
to
operate
and
manage
the
beach
club
for
the
continued
trial
period.
So
again,
in
the
earlier
contribution,
we
heard
that
procurement
has
advised
that
we
are
best
to
go
to
market.
F
F
Why,
I
suppose,
actually
my
simplest
question
is:
why
have
we
sought
to
limit
the
respondents
to
only
those
who
are
experienced
beach,
club
operators
and
and
do
we
have
a
sense
of
how
large
the
potential
pool
of
market
respondents
might
be,
because
I'm
assuming
procurement
for
issues
of
probity
and
rate
payer
interest
have
talked
about
a
fresh
market-led
approach?
I
wonder
whether
by
council
constraining
the
market
responses
to
the
only
the
experienced
operators,
we're
perhaps
undermining
some
of
the
feedback
that
may
have
been
received
by
procurement.
D
So
through
the
chair
for
the
trial,
we
had
five
operators
put
in
to
have
the
opportunity
to
lodge
an
event
application.
I
would
imagine
that
it
would
be
higher
than
five
for
obviously
the
longer
period
of
time.
D
In
terms
of
experience,
it
there's
a
number
of
things
around
the
experience,
obviously,
with
the
liquor,
licensing
and
things
like
that.
That's
the
capability
of
them
to
handle
those
even
having
a
a
portable
liquor
license
and
and
the
capability
to
to
utilize
those
things
that
that
is
more
around
their
capability
and
experience,
which
would
be
the
criteria
for
you
know
when
we,
when
we
did
go
to
market.
So
I.
F
I
I
totally
get
that
that
would
be
a
sensible
assessment
framework
for
an
officer
to
take
or
the
ceo
to
take
when
deciding
amongst
a
number
of
submissions.
But
the
way
I
read
five
is
it
actually
constrains
the
amount
of
would
be
mark.
The
wood
constrains
the
number
of
conforming
submissions
that
we
might
receive.
D
Three,
the
chair,
so
for
the
for
the
trial
again
with
the
five
operators,
a
number
of
them
were
actually
food
and
beverage
restauranteurs
on
the
gold
coast
as
well.
So
yeah.
F
F
I
suppose
my
concern
is
there's,
maybe
one
or
two
businesses
that
can
tick
these
boxes
and
procurements
telling
us
to
take
a
market-led
approach,
but
we've
we're
constraining
the
number
of
responses
and
therefore
not
being
as
competitive
as
we
might
need
to
be
in
order
to
secure
the
best
public
realm
and
community
sort
of
outcome.
So
follow-up
question,
madam
chair,
through
you
is:
what's
the
genesis
of
constraining
the
responses
to
experienced
beach
club
operators
and
not
opening
it
up
to
the
broader
sector,
as
was
the
case
when
the
trial
was
first
mooted.
D
Through
the
chair,
I
think
the
recommendation
would
be
just
to
change
that
to
food
and
beverage
operator
and
then
you
will
broaden
that
opportunity
to
be
clear.
Yeah.
F
F
Could
I
ask
in
terms
of
the
community
consultation,
I
mean
council
paterson's
raised
some
concerns
that
I
don't
necessarily
share,
but
do
you
think
that,
or
what
would
community
consultation
look
like
over
the
next
three
years?
If
this
were
to
be
supported?
What
would
we
repeat
because
I
suppose
you've
talked
about
now-
we've
got
a
baseline.
D
Through
the
chair,
absolutely
we
the
feedback
from
the
survey.
Respondents
was
actually.
The
survey
was
quite
long
yes
and
long
to
fill
out,
so
there
could
be
opportunities
to
provide
different
survey
mechanisms
to
capture
more
information
or
less
information,
depending
on
how
the
particular
participant
in
the
survey
wanted
to
provide
that
information
and
manager.
F
Just
lastly,
so
on
the
community
consultation,
I
think
it's
important
that
we
have
an
independent,
accredited
iap2
accredited
firm,
carry
out
this
work
appointed
by
council,
but
at
the
expense
of
the
operator.
F
I
think
that's
important,
but
but
just
on
the
trial
I
mean
my
sense
of
a
trial.
Is
it's
effectively
a
proof
of
concept?
It's
an
opportunity
to
gather
data
to
then
make
an
ultimate
decision,
so
I'm
interested
in
whether
we've
got
the
right
approach
to
support
that
trial,
and
I
wonder,
are
there
any
other
planning
instruments
where
temporary
land
use
rights
can
be
granted
that
do
not
have
permanency?
F
G
G
G
F
At
all
sure-
and
madam
chair,
just
for
the
sake
of
those
tuning
in
in
the
gallery-
I'm
not
proposing
that
we
stretch
an
exemption.
I
just
know
that
under
rubina's
planning
legislation,
for
example,
there
there
is
an
opportunity
to
grant
a
temporary
land
use
over
a
parcel
for
three
years.
That
does
not
then
grant
enduring
land
right.
So
I
just
thought
there
might
have
been
something
else
in
the
planning
scheme.
F
And
lastly,
madam
chair,
the
purpose
of
a
trial
again
for
me
is
to
establish
a
proof
of
concept:
collect
the
data,
make
a
final
decision.
F
G
F
G
Through
you,
madam
chair,
it
was
the
state
government
that
provided
owner's
consent
for
the
making
of
the
temporary
use
application,
but
who
was
the
applicant
we
were
through
through
your
med
and
chair?
That's
that's
a
hard
one.
I
actually
think
the
operator
might
have
been
the
applicant
for
the
temporary
use
so.
F
F
One
of
the
things
that
makes
me
very
cautious
about
supporting
this
recommendation
is
that
it
does
little
to
firm
up
council's
view
that
I
think
it's
council's
view
that
this
is
a
trial
and
that
we
want
the
trial
to
make
or
break
the
case
before
we
entertain
an
additional
expansion,
and
I
know,
for
example,
I
think
the
original
motion
talked
about
there
being
one
at
the
spit
all
right,
I
think
we
looked
at
two
locations
originally,
I
could
be
wrong
direct.
Is
that
correct.
F
C
F
Because
for
me,
yes,
because
the
the
beach
trial
for
me
is
about
collecting
data
in
order
to
make
a
policy
to
form
a
policy
position,
and
it
would
make
no
sense
to
me
to
confuse
that
process
with
any
additional
beach
clubs
until
we
have
a
clean
run
with
this
one.
So
I
wouldn't
support
others
popping
up
until
we've
concluded
this
trial.
If
that's
answered
your
question.
H
F
We
could
resolve
it
and
then
chair
through
your
counselor
called
well.
That
might
be
the
case,
and
I
accept
that
it
is.
I
was
laboring
under
the
assumption
that
there
may
have
been
an
earlier
role
for
us,
particularly
when
we're
talking
about
the
park,
for
example,
to
provide
owners
consent
when
our
land
is
affected,
and
that
may
have
been
our
mechanism
to
frustrate
additional
applications
by
not
providing
that
consent.
At
the
time
that
it's
lodged.
A
And,
and
just
through
to
you
cameron,
if
you
sorry
herman,
if
you
were
to
say
in
recommendation
number
two
there,
if
you
change
like
the
continuation
of
an
exclusive
beach
club,
trial,
meaning
exclusive
to
that
area,
and
this
is
it
again
putting
us
in
muddy
waters.
H
I
mean
it's
all
about
the
interpretation
of
the
words
which
council
vorster
has
talked
about
a
lot
and
ex
what
does
exclusive
in
that
context
mean
the
ceo
might
read
it
and
go
well.
My
interpretation
of
that
or
whoever's
reading
it
in
his
office
says
mike.
That's
one
single
operator
is
exclusive
in
this
location.
A
I
Chad
I'll
preempt
my
engagement
by
not
making
a
declarable
conflict
but
by
alerting
councillors
to
the
fact
that
I
am
a
life
member
of
gecko
and
my
understanding
is
gecko
made
a
submission
or
a
letter
has
been
written
to
all
councillors.
I
have
not
received
it
as
such
I've.
I
know
it
exists,
so
my
comments
will
be
my
own,
but
if
any
council
has
a
concern
with
that,
I'm
not
making
a
declarable
conflict.
As
I
said,
my
questions
begin
with
the
trial
period
before
us.
I
D
So
three
through
the
chair,
the
three
years
and
six
months
per
annum,
is
a
suggested
trial
period
and
the
duration
during
the
calendar
year.
That
was
something
the
reason
why
we're
seeking.
That
is
because,
obviously
we
do
need
to
lodge
a
da.
I
D
Through
the
chair,
the
reason
for
the
three
years
is
obviously
the
considerable
investment
made
by
the
the
operator,
and,
if
we
wanted
to
put
more
in,
we
thought
that
it
would
be
better
to
give
them
a
longer
period
of
time.
Thank
you.
F
Sorry,
madam
chair,
could
I
just
think
that
that
may
be
confidential,
because
this
was
decide
if
you
read
the
report
that
was
considered
as
part
of
our
budget
deliberations
and
that
information
is
not
yet
publicly
available.
We
dealt
with
the
similar
issue
in
our
lifestyle
and
community
committee
this
morning,
when
looking
at
the
mudrabah
cemetery
regeneration,
so
we
were
able
to
ask
questions
that
didn't
touch
on
financial
matters,
but
until
such
time
as
the
budgets
adopted
it's
confidential,
I
just
thought
I'd.
I
D
Through
the
chair
for
the
public
cost,
so
the
public
cost
was
obviously
the
council
of
officer
time
to
run
the
procurement
process,
the
trial
and
have
the
meetings
and
things
like
that
and
prepare
the
report
in
terms
of
the
consultation
piece,
it
was
circa
40
000
for
the
grounded
consulting
to
run
the
survey
piece,
the
cost
for
all
the
social
media,
and
things
like
that.
D
So
that
was
the
public
cost
in
terms
of
the
commercial
cost
to
the
operator.
We
don't
have
those
figures
but
circa
half
a
million
dollars
to
actually
install
and
bump
in
and
bump
out
the
event
and
then
there's
obviously,
staff
costs
on
all
on
all
of
that
as
well.
Thank.
D
So
in
terms
of
fees
for
the
cairo
terrace
under
the
trial,
we
waived
the
fees
okay,
but
there
was
a
bond
for
the
australia
venue
code
to
actually
come
back
in
and
you
know
do
any
turfing
or
anything
like
that
for
impacts,
like
any
other
event,
would
do.
Thank
you
so.
I
D
There
was
also
a
discussion
piece
in
the
report
around
if
council
wanted
to
actually
undertake
any
infrastructure
works
to
the
site,
to
make
to
give
a
better
outcome
not
only
for
the
beach
club
operation,
but
also
for
any
other
events
that
we
do
there,
because
that
was
actually
what
we
we
did.
Do
the
community
consultation
to
seek
that
piece
of
how
what
improvements
are
required
to
the
site,
but
that's
a
future
decision
from
council
if
they
want
to
actually
undertake
those
works
or
and
then
obviously
the
other
thing
would
be.
D
Is
there
a
rent
or
or
some
kind
of
fee
that's
passed
on
to
the
operator
for
that
space,
so
the
beach
club
did
not
have
any
charge
to
enter
the
beach
club,
and
that
was
part
of
the
that
space
is
available.
Or
you
know
the
community
has
direct
access
into
their
at
most
times.
They
did
have
like
new
year's
eve
events
where
there
was
a
cover
charge
and
the
cabanas.
There
was
a
cover
charge
as
well,
but
actually
anyone
could
go
into
that
space
and
recreate
for
free
of
charge.
I
And
has
there
been
some
kind
of
legal
analysis
of
the
recommendations
before
us,
because
it
appears
to
me
that
items
three
and
six
there's
a
conflict
there's
a
strong
tension
whereby
the
ceo
is
instructed
to
make
an
application
and
to
approve
it.
D
Through
the
chair,
so
I
guess
I
the
in
terms
of
three
it
was
written
in
terms
of
progressing
the
application.
I'd
I'd
I'd
actually
take
a
different
actually
approving
the
application,
but
I'm
happy.
I
I
D
A
All
right
council
called
I'm
going
to
go
to
councillor
o'neill
next
back
to
you
and
then
back
to
councillor
gates.
J
I
have
just
a
couple
of
questions
thanks
chair
just
on
page
80,
which
are
the
results,
the
executive
summary
of
the
results,
a
couple
of
questions
that
were
asked
would
you
visit
beach
clubs
and
other
gold
coast
locations
in
the
future?
Would
you
visit
beach
clubs
in
other
gold
coast
locations
in
the
future
if
current
covert,
19
restrictions
allow
seeing
this
was
a
survey
about
a
trial
period
at
kara
beach?
Can
I
just
ask
why
those
questions
were
included?
That's
number
one
question.
D
J
That's
on
the
the
engagement
report
on
the
karuva
beach
trial.
J
Just
on
page
80
on
the
executive
summary
of
the
actual
trial,
the
survey
results
it
says:
would
you
visit
beach
clubs
in
other
gold
coast
locations
in
future?
73
said
yes,
27
said
no,
and
then
there
was
another
question:
would
you
visit
beach
clubs
in
other
gold
coast
locations
in
the
future?
If
current
covert,
19
restrictions
allow
64
said
no
36
percent
said
yes,
I
just
wondered
why
those
questions
were
included
when
we
were
talking
about
a
trial
at
kara
beach.
D
Through
the
chair,
so
given
it
was
a
trial,
we
were
testing
if
the
community
was
open
to
other
locations
and
it
might
not
be
at
cairo
terrace,
but
obviously
the
reason
why
we
landed
at
kara
terrace
is
because
the
city
has
already
invested
money
in
the
karawa
kara
deck,
and
for
this
specific
purpose
it
is
a
unique
location.
D
J
My
second
question
just
goes
around
and
I
just
want
to
make
an
observation
too.
Before
I
ask
a
question,
I
did
attend
the
beach
club
to
check
it
out
for
myself
and
I
had
probably
mixed
reactions,
and
I
it
probably
goes
to
a
lot
of
the
survey
results
where
people
brought
up
things
like
back
of
office.
The
shipping
containers
the
fencing
that
was
a
little
bit
offensive,
and
certainly
to
people
who
were
just
going
to
the
park
area.
J
J
I
just
wondered
if,
during
with
the
da
process,
would
that
eliminate
some
of
those
concerns
like
fencing
like
the
infrastructure,
the
the
temporary
infrastructure
that
that
was
around
around
the
beach
club,
because
it
it
didn't,
look
good,
and
I
must
say
that
I
I
found
it
quite
offensive
as
well.
D
Through
the
chair,
absolutely
all
that
information
is
going
to
our
our
planning
consultant,
but
also,
obviously
in
roger
can
answer.
There
would
be
a
da
would
be
considering
that
feedback
as
well.
J
So
just
one
more
bonus
question.
So
if
that's
the
case,
a
da
gets
lodged
and
you're
looking
at
more
permanent
infrastructure,
still
talking
about
a
three-year
trial.
So
how
does
that
actually
work?
Do
they
remove
if
we,
if
we
approve
more
permanent
infrastructure
and
that
has
to
be
removed
after
three
years,
if
we
deem
the
trial
doesn't
work,
it's
it's
a
little
bit
problematic.
D
J
I
just
want
to
just
let
you
know
one
more
observation.
On
the
day
that
I
attended
the
beach
club,
I
actually
went
into
carroll's
surf
club.
It
was
packed
to
the
hilt.
A
H
Thank
you,
sorry,
who's.
The
planning
consultant
that's
been
appointed.
K
H
G
H
G
A
three-year
madam
chair,
no
beach
club
is
not
a
use,
the
closest
use-
and
I
know
it's
not
ideal-
the
closest
use
is
actually
hotel.
I
don't
particularly
like
it,
but
because
the
I
suppose
the
primary
activity
is
the
serving
of
alcohol.
We
have
no
choice,
it
becomes
a
hotel
it
just
out
of
interest.
If
they
didn't
serve
alcohol,
we
could
actually
define
the
use
as
food
and
drink
outlet,
but
because
it's
so
so
yeah,
that's
okay.
It.
H
D
F
I've
said
here
that
the
chief
executive
officer,
development
application
for
material
change
of
use
for
a
beach
for
a
beach
club
use
and
only
those
required
ancillary
uses,
because
it
could
be
that
we
need
to
some
other
land
use
in
order
to
support
the
hotel,
but
those
other
uses
can
only
be
brought
in
if
they
support
the
hotel
and
not
because
they
provide
anything
else.
H
Yeah,
I
just
think
we're
going
to
be
too
way
too
scattergun
and
all
of
those
other
things
we
can
do
there
just
in
the
current
scenario
anyway.
So
I
actually
genuinely
think
that
the
planning
approval
process
is
key,
because
we
can
deal
with
impacts.
We
can
deal
with
visual
amenity,
we
can
deal
with
noise
and
all
of
those
things
that
we
would
ordinarily
deal
with.
Just
like
we
did
with
the
karawa
surf
club
itself.
We
would
then
have
to
put
it
through
the
rigorous
assessment
process
to
get
the
dia
assessed.
H
H
I
think
we've
probably
done
gone
a
long
way
to
addressing
those
concerns,
because
there
was
a
real
risk
on
my
reading
of
it
that
we
would
be
signing
off
on
this
today,
and
we
would
never
see
it
ever
again
and
I
don't
think
that's
what
the
community
expects
of
us,
whether
you're
for
it
or
against
it.
I
think
no
one
can
be
critical
of
a
rigorous
process
to
make
sure
that
if
it
is
approved
that
it's
done
as
best
it
possibly
can
be.
H
I
likewise
council
balls
to
thought
that
the
word
beach
club
should
be
swapped
out
with
hospitality
or
food
and
beverage
operator
to
make
sure
that
and
that,
ultimately,
at
the
end
of
that
paragraph,
it
should
say
and
that
those
options
be
the
subject
of
a
future
report,
because
I'm
also
interested
in
how
we
deal
with
local
procurement
and
our
normal
gates
for
getting
local
business
uplifts.
And
things
like
that.
So
I
don't
know
what
the
intention
is,
but
I
would
like
those
things
to
come
back
so.
F
Madam
chair
three
to
council
called
well
what
I'm
just
drafting
up
here
fleshes
out
some
of
those
on
part
four,
which
is
the
new
well
part.
Five.
I
should
say
that
the
chief
executive
officer
investigate
options
that
are
that
that
this
process
adhere
to
the
highest
property
and
procurement
standards
and
that
any
final
decision
to
appoint
an
operator
be
brought
to
full
council
for
decision.
H
So,
just
in
relation
to
the
term,
if
it's
three
lots
of
six
month
windows,
I
think
it's
actually
going
to
provide
the
best
financial
offset
capacity
for
us
to
go
to
the
market
with
that
as
a
fundamental
package
offering,
because
what
we
didn't
talk
about
is
what
the
income
might
be
when
we
go
through
this
procurement
process,
completely
speculating,
but
a
business
might
be
prepared
to
bump
in
the
stuff
and
pay
x
amount
of
dollars
in
rent
for
three
years
and
that
actually
there
will
be
not
just
the
economic
benefits
of
this,
but
we
may
actually
be
able
to
then
drive
that
money
being
reinvested
to
offset
the
costs
to
council
and
then
deliver
better
things.
H
D
H
D
Consulted
through
the
chair,
so
we
did
have
a
number
of
meetings
with
ep
e,
but
because
they
were
going
to
be
the
assessment
manager,
we
did
engage
legal
services
to
help
us
with
the
report
and
that
was
agreed
beforehand.
H
K
And
I
support
that
counselor
called
well
a
hundred
percent.
In
fact,
I
want
to
mention
that
most
of
the
committees
now
because
of
the
changes
to
legislation,
make
sure
that
if
consultants
are
involved
they're
mentioned
in
the
report
or
in
the
introduction,
because
I'm
in
breach
every
time
I
participate.
I
hadn't
spoken
or
contributed
at
all
today,
but
and
I'm
grateful
that
I
didn't
know
that
there
had
been
a
planning
consultant
appointed
by
council.
K
B
K
And
place
designer
a
favorite
of
council,
I've
noticed
in
recent
weeks
so
yeah,
it's
often
that
group
and
they
contributed
to
my
election
campaigns
in
2011
and
2014
as
well
as
2016,
although
that
was
refunded
in
pool,
but
I
am
seeking
permission
to
remain
in
the
room.
I've
had
no
contact
with
the
consultants
about
this
issue,
but,
given
that
it
affects
the
future
of
gold
coast
in
terms
of
tourism,
I
would
like
to
stay
in
the
room
and
participate.
A
And
I'm
happy
to
second
that
counselor
call
well.
A
All
right,
so
that's
moved
by
councillor
caldwell
seconded
by
myself
councillors
all
those
in
favour.
A
K
F
I'm
happy
to,
I
suppose,
suggest
some
new
words
with
your
permission
and
your
leave.
What
I
might
do
is
just
read
them
out,
just
in
case
anything's
been
missed,
we
can
include
it
and
then
I
can
forward
it
to
the
minute
secretary
to
support
the
debate
is
that
right,
so
counselors?
C
H
F
So
I've
just
changed.
The
word
spin
says
here
being
the
hard
stand
area,
limited
parkland
and
the
immediately
adjacent
beach
area
right
between
1
december
2021
and
14
march.
H
F
F
G
F
So
I
just
want
to
make
it
clear:
I'm
merely
saying
here
that
any
development
application
right,
so
here's
that
so
once
it's
finished
any
development
application
but
sorry
be
independently
prepared.
So
that's
by
our
consultants,
I
think
we're
fine
with
that
and
then
be
referred
to
counsel
for
decision.
I
think
that
that's
okay
right.
F
The
second
part
says
that
that
development
application,
so
the
one
that's
prepared
by
consultants,
respond
to
the
amenity,
safety
and
aesthetic
concerns
raised
during
the
initial
community
consultation.
So
so
the
da
that
we
asked
the
report
that
we
asked
to
be
drafted
has
to
respond
to
the
consultation
results
we've
received
to
date.
F
Then
it
goes
on
to
a
four.
No,
oh
sorry,.
C
Sorry,
counselor
boster,
so
the
chair
paused,
to
ask
if
we
had
any
questions
and
I'm
sorry
and
on
two,
where
you
say
a
beach
club
trial
for
six
months
annually
over
three
years,
so
the
first
trial
was
between
the
1st
december
and
the
14th
of
march.
C
F
I'm
I
tend
not
to
be
too
prescriptive
on
this
because
and
I'm
happy
to
be
guided
by
the
committee
of
course,
but
my
my
sense
of
it
is
that
perhaps
the
operator
wants
to
try
a
winter
activation.
Maybe
there's
a
use
there
or
an
autumn
thing.
I
don't
know.
I
prefer
to
give
them
the
flexibility
over
three
years
to
see
where
the
greatest
opportunity
is,
and
it
may
be,
that
it's
not
during
peak
season
when
it's
in
conflict
with
the
interests
of
the
other
operators.
C
So
I
suppose
my
thought
was
around
other
event,
the
like
we,
the
city,
invested
a
lot
of
money,
ultimately
building
an
event
space
and
if
we're
going
to
trial
it
for
a
three-year
period,
and
we
talk
of
six
months,
are
we
imagining
that
that
there
will
be
the
opportunity
for
other
third
parties
to
book
the
space
yo?
When
it's
not
mobilized?
You
know
so,
and
I
don't
know
whether
or
not
we
are
better
off.
C
If
we're
going
to
go
down
the
path
of
indicating
three
six-month
periods,
as
opposed
to
three
years
actually
naming
the
lobster
which
I
think
is
is
is
over
that
period.
And
if
the
operator
wants
to
play
in
a
different
period,
then
they
do
have
that
conversation
about
booking
it.
You
know
so-
and
I
suppose
that's
that
was
just
that
six
months
and
does
it
include
the
time
that-
and
I
know
they
set
up
quickly
last
time,
but
we're
actually
after
a
different
outcome
this
time.
So
so
and.
F
Okay,
I
just
think
it
would
help
yeah
great.
So,
madam
chair,
through
you
to
darren,
have
you
got
some
guidance
around
what
you
imagine
and
without
regard
to
the
current
operator,
but
just
in
terms
of
from
a
city
officer
point
of
view,
especially
with
an
economic
development
head-on.
D
The
feedback
from
australia
venuco
around
the
timing
is
that
they
would,
they
would
have
not
typically
probably
had
january
february,
due
to
the
impact
of
rain,
so
there
may
be
opportunities
for
actually
the
beach
club
operators
who
bump
in
and
bump
out
a
number
of
times,
so
it
might
be-
you
know
march
april
may
and
then
it
might
be
october
november
december.
D
F
F
F
Right
yeah,
it's
coming
so
then
part
four,
that
the
chief
executive
officer
investigate
options
for
the
appointment
of
an
experienced
hospitality
operator
to
operate
and
manage
the
beach
club
for
the
proposed
three-year
trial
period
with
three
additional
points.
Under
that
a
that
this
process
be
guided
by
the
chief
procurement
officer
and
adhere
to
the
highest
standards
of
market
competition
and
probity
b.
F
H
D
Through
the
chair,
I
guess
the
decision
for
council
is
and
what
was
that
tension
in
the
trial
is
obviously
the
economics
of
the
whole
proposal
for
the
beach
club
operator
and
at
that
you
know
not
charging
any
kind
of
cover
charge
in
terms
of
competition
with
the
other
food
and
beverage
operators
in
the
broad
beach
area.
So
that's
why,
in
the
report,
it
was
actually
to
come
back
with
those
considerations
around
the
operator.
D
F
So,
madam
chair
three,
do
I
think
council
caldwell?
I
mean
the
reason
why
I've
crafted
that
is
number
one
in
response
to
councillor.
Young's
implied
concern
that
the
right
player
is
burdened
by
supporting
the
trial,
and
this
is
a
a
gesture
that
we
want
the
proponent
to
carry
a
reasonable
share
of
their
costs
and
number
two.
I
I
Are
we
demanding,
and
is
it
the
right
time
now
to
be
specific
about
what
we
want
that
site
to
be
like
look
like
feel
like
how
it's
available
to
the
public
or
whatever,
because
it's
as
if
we're
opening
the
door
here
and
they
they
might
have
all
sorts
of
facilities
and
structures
there
that
stay
for
the
six
months,
they're
not
actually
operating,
which
impedes
public
access.
So.
F
I
think
clarify
something
that
I
may
have
not
been
clear
on.
I
think
those
concerns
are
addressed
by
the
development
application
coming
before
council
and
we
have
an
opportunity
to
condition
any
development
application
to
ensure
that
structures
and
impediments
to
public
access
are
addressed
in
the
actual
land
use
decision
itself
rather
than
in
a
procurement
process.
So
we
have
two
bites
at
the
cherry.
I
Appreciate
that-
and
I
might
just
comment,
if
you
don't
mind
chair,
which
is,
I
think,
now's
the
time
to
to
define
that
now's
the
time
to
say
what
our
expectation
is,
so
that
it
is
captured
within
that
da
rather
than
expecting
it
to
trickle.
You
know
flow
forward
from
the
applicant.
They
may
have
no
concept
that
we
want
that
space
available
to.
F
The
public,
so
so,
madam
chair
three
view
counselor
young,
we
are
the
applicant.
This
is
this
is
what's
different
from
the
earlier
process
in
the
earlier
process.
They
were
seeking
a
permit
for
an
event.
In
this
instance,
we
are
lodging
a
development
application
and
we
have
the
ability
and
we've
made
it
quite
clear.
The
officers
know
given
this
tape
and
reference
to
aesthetics
safety,
and
what
have
you
I
mean
if
it
gives
you
comfort,
perhaps
where
we
say
so
where's
the
aesthetics.
Could
you
scroll
down
there?
F
We
go
sorry
b
and
where
is
it
3b
sorry,
yeah,
amenity
safety,
so
after
safety,
let's
do
a
comma
and
then
say
public
access,
comma
and
then
aesthetic
concerns,
and
I
do
that,
I
suppose,
as
a
gesture,
counselor
young,
but
my
view
is
the
the
best
tool
we
have
is
actually
with
the
development
approval,
because
then
anything
else
is
it
a
breach
right?
It's
a
bigger
stick.
F
No,
what
I'm
saying
is
that
some
people
may
have
raised
concerns
about
public
access
and
you
know
like
we've
got
to
be
reasonable
right.
So
I
don't
ex.
I
don't
know
what
the
market
might
throw
up
and
there's
perhaps
some
infrastructure
that
they
might
want
to
invest
in
which
can
provide
a
social
use.
F
So,
for
example,
they
may-
and
I'm
I'm
just
making
this
up,
but
I'm
just
doing
it
because
it's
an
example
they
might
want
to
accommodate
more
live
music
than
we've
previously
had
I'm
just
making
it
up,
and
that
may
require
the
investment
of
some
infrastructure.
So
after
they
bump
out,
there
may
be
some
infrastructure
left
behind
that
we
can
repurpose
and
use.
So
it's
not
necessarily
that
they
have
to
vacate
the
site.
If
there
are
things
that
they
could
leave
behind
that,
we
could
continue
to
use.
F
F
That's
right
and,
for
example,
we
heard
that
some
residents
nearby
were
concerned
about
the
plant
or
or
what
would
normally
be
plant,
but
it's
the
top
of
containers.
And
what
have
you
I'd
expect
that
they'd
have
to
tidy
that
up?
Because
it
would
you
know
it
looks
grotty
yeah
and
I
mean
they'd
want
to
shoot
up,
drones
and
all
the
rest
for
promo
vids.
So
anyway,.
A
All
right
now
go
to
councillor
patterson.
Thank
you,
chair.
E
My
concern,
though,
and
the
reason
why
I
can't
support
this
today,
is
because
we
are
looking
we're
not
seeing
the
wood
for
the
trees.
We
need
to
take
a
step
back
and
the
most
alarming
thing
today,
which
is
means
that
I
can't
support
this.
Is
it's
not
a
trial
like
the
one
we
just
had?
This
is
this
is
not
another
trial?
This
takes
on
a
completely
different
assessment.
As
soon
as
we
have
a
planning
assessment,
our
last
one
was
a
permit.
E
E
Agreed
agreed,
and
at
the
moment
we
haven't,
set
any
precedent
of
any
other
planning
application
as
soon
as
we
approve
this,
we
have
a
precedent
and
we
know
how
hard
it
is
that,
even
if
we
in
here
vote
against
another
one
that
they
go
to
court
and
they
overturn
us
because
they've
said
hey,
they
said
it
was
fine
for
this.
So
I
really
think
and
when,
when
I
asked
the
question
before
about
the
underlying
intent,
it
was
not
that
easy
to
come
up
with
the
answer
right.
F
E
E
We're
getting
into
all
this
technical
detail
about
this,
and
I
have
no
comfort
after
what
was
presented
from
the
trial
so
far,
so
what
I'm
presented
I
get
I
get
covered
and
I
get
the
rain,
but
the
information
that's
given
has
been
basically
putting
me
on
a
track
so
that
I
vote
for
the
next
bit
and
the
next
bit.
So
we
really
need
to
take
a
step
back.
So
I'd
like
to
present
a
foreshadowed
motion,
if
I
may.
A
And
I'm
just
going
to
give
a
little
bit
of
feedback
on
that
at
the
moment.
I
think,
as
pointed
out
by
darren
during
his
commentary
for
temporary
use
it's
28
days,
so
to
give
we
are
in
that's
legislatively
what
we're
led
to
28
days.
So
if
we're
going
to
go
any
longer
than
28
days,
which
I
think
is
what
came
back
to
what
the
deputy
mayor
was
saying,
then
to
to
further
the
trial
to
get
more
accurate
data
and
to
give
the
feedback
that
I
agree.
A
Let
me
finish
speaking.
Thank
you.
I'm
chairing
the
meeting
is
that,
coming
back
to
what
the
other
councillors
have
said
is
on
that
trial.
We
need
to
have
accurate
data
and
from
76
days
to
47
days
being
wet,
in
my
view,
and
and
from
what
I'm
hearing
in
the
room
from
the
other
councillors,
is
that's
not
adequate
time
to
give
people
in
this
room
the
ability
to
make
a
decision
going
forward.
So
if
it's
over
the
28
days,
this
is
our
next
alternative.
This
is
what
we
have
to
pursue
going
forward.
E
Before
we
make
that
decision
that
decision,
what
we've
done
so
far
is
a
trial
that
doesn't
actually
have
any
legal
consequences.
Once
we
do
this,
it
has
legal
consequences.
So
what
I
would
like
before
we
step
on
this
train,
which
basically
designs
what
people
can
come
and
submit
applications
to
us
for
the
next
20
plus
years?
Is
we
take
a
step
back?
We
do
a
review.
We
know
we
get
enough
of
them
through
the
city
team
of
do.
Is
this
what
we
want
our
beaches
to
look
like?
What's
the
rush?
E
K
G
K
F
Thank
you
very
much,
madam
chair.
Madam
chair,
I
remember
when
extropical
cyclone
oswald
struck
the
city
that
our
beaches
were
imperiled
and
while
I
was
only
a
city
officer
at
the
time,
I
recognized
that
many
of
my
now
colleagues
were
leading
the
charge
to
secure
state
and
federal
government
funding
to
secure
those
beaches,
because
the
view
of
the
council,
then
again,
I'm
speaking
as
a
former
city
officer
responsible
for
helping
to
prosecute.
That
argument
is
that
our
beaches
are
our
greatest
asset.
F
F
We
set
about
developing
first
a
three-point
plan
for
ocean
beach
protection
and
then
later
our
ocean
beaches
strategy,
and
since
then
we
have
a
surf
management
plan.
We've
got
the
world
surf
reserve.
I
could
go
on
to
suggest
that
this
council
has
not
taken
a
keen
interest
in
the
health
of
our
beaches,
both
environmentally
and
socially.
F
F
I
didn't,
but
guess
what
that
also
was
a
bloody
ripper
and
when
we
had
the
commonwealth
games
here
on
the
gold
coast
and
an
opportunity
to
showcase
the
best
view,
probably
on
this
continent,
guess
where
you
found
a
bar
on
the
beach
to
suggest
that
a
beach
club
or
beach
bar
whatever
you
want
to
call
it
is
somehow
not
intrinsically
a
gold
coast
thing
again
is
a
nonsense,
because
we
do
it.
We
keep
doing
it
and
it's
always
warmly
received
now
today
we're
being
asked
by
city
offices
to
support
a
three-year
trial.
F
Is
it
remarkably
different
to
a
28-day
trial,
bloody
oath?
It's
different!
It's
completely
different,
but
it's
different
in
one
material
way,
and
that
is,
we
will
know
more
in
three
years
than
we
will
in
28
days
and
at
the
end
of
the
three-year
period,
we
will
be
able
to
make
a
better
decision
then
than
we
could
ever
make
today
by
simply
saying
no
city
offices,
to
my
mind,
and
I'm
I'm
not
casting
aspersions
here
and
I
don't
mean
to
you,
know,
be
accused
of
using
pejoratives.
F
F
What
we
have
before
us
on
the
screen
is
an
opportunity
to
support
a
trial
that
has
a
better
job
of
community
consultation.
Gathers
more
data,
allows
us
to
respond
to
emerging
community
appetites
and
protects
the
ratepayer
and
community
interest
by
making
sure
it's
the
councillors
who
are
accountable
for
the
decision
and
not
the
bureaucracy.
F
If
you
don't
want
to
make
decisions,
don't
support
this,
but
if
you
want
to
make
decisions
with
more
facts
along
the
way
and
checks
and
balances,
then
you
have
to
support
it.
This
commits
us
to
nothing
more
than
seeing
what
the
opportunities
are,
and
it
certainly
doesn't
approve
the
appointment
of
an
operator
today.
A
Thank
you
for
your
opening
debate.
There,
councillor
vorster
I'll,
go
to
anyone
against
councillor
patterson.
E
Thank
you
chair,
there's
a
couple
of
interesting
points
in
there.
So.
E
I
don't
disagree
about
that.
We
have
a
very
thorough
beach
strategy
in
place.
I
also
don't
disagree
that
the
wording
that
you've
done
has
just
made
this
a
thousand
times
better
and
made
it
far
far
tighter,
but
I
still
am
so
deeply
concerned
with
what
I've
heard
today
in
terms
of
the
legal
impact
of
this
decision,
which
is
100
different
to
the
impact
of
our
last
trial.
E
Now
it
said
I
totally
appreciate
what
councillor
gates
said
that,
yes,
it
needs
state
government
sign
off
council
of
austin
said
councillors
are
accountable
for
the
decision
by
making
this
decision
today.
As
soon
as
this
is
put
through,
we
are
setting
a
precedent
for
the
state
government,
whoever
it
is
whatever
they
want
to
do
to
make
that
decision
in
in
the
future,
and
we
know
that
we
have
seen
precedence
of
applications
in
the
past.
E
H
H
We
will
be
boring
and
dull
and
our
tourism
product
will
age
and
wither
and
die
on
the
vine
and
we
as
a
city
that
is
growing
and
vibrant
and
has
energy,
do
not
want
to
allow
that
to
happen.
Not
while
it's
on
my
watch
anyway.
So
on
the
basis
of
the
work
that
we've
done
to
this
resolution
today,
I
am
happy
to
support
this.
I
was
not
happy
to
let
it
run
off
unchecked
into
the
sunset.
H
I
think
we
do
need
to
keep
a
very
close
eye
on
it
to
the
extent
that
we
get.
If
we're
successful
in
achieving
a
development
approval,
we
or
an
operator
may
never
take
up
that
use.
It
may
not
be
economically
viable.
It
might
not
be
the
right
time
there
might
be
another
pandemic,
whatever
the
case
may
be,
so
it's
a
step
in
the
direction,
but
it
is
most
certainly
not
some
broad
sweeping
decision
that
is
now
allowing
all
of
our
beaches
to
be
used
for
commercial
activity.
H
So
if
we
can
achieve
things
that
sensibly
utilize
the
best
assets
that
we've
got,
that
other
cities
that
are
competing
with
us,
don't
have,
then
we
should
be
trying
to
do
it.
So
I
think
that
the
work
we've
done
today
as
a
committee
puts
a
very
rigorous
process
around
how
this
will
progress,
which
is
absolutely
correct,
and
on
that
basis,
I'm
very
happy
to
support
it
today.
I
I
I
So
I
I
think,
there's
a
real
tension.
There,
that's
not
resolved
by
the
recommendation.
The
application
to
run
the
trial
is
for
six
months
a
year,
but
the
application
for
the
land
use
is
for
the
12.,
so
what's
happening
in
the
other.
Six
is
my
concern.
Having
posed
that
kind
of
rhetorical
question,
perhaps
I'll
just
say
that
I
won't
be
supporting
the
motion
before
so.
I
think
it
has
come
a
long
way.
I
think
that's
that's
good
good
work
in
trying
to
get
some
better
attention
to
the
details
and
and
the
outcomes.
I
But
overall
my
values
here
aren't
encapsulated
in
some
planning
law,
certainly
not
in
queensland,
and
that
is
that
public
spaces
like
beaches,
shouldn't
be
commercialized.
That's
it!
You
know,
I
don't
see
that
that's
going
to
be
the
golden
egg,
that's
going
to
bring
people
from
overseas.
Oh,
I
must
go
to
the
gold
coast
because
now
they've
got
a
beach
bar
or
they
I
can
parachute
jump.
That's
not
going
to
do
it
for
me
it
might
for
some
other
people,
but
I
can't
imagine
that's
going
to
be
a
big
motivation
for
people
around
the
world.
I
The
motivation
is
typically
price
and
the
hospitality
you
get
and
the
beauty
of
the
natural
environment
that
you're
able
to
enjoy
and
we've
got
the
beauty
of
the
natural
environment
and
you
don't
need
a
beach
bar
in
my
opinion,
so
I'll
leave
it
at
that
because,
as
I
say,
I
think
my
values
aren't
addressed
by
a
law
or
responded
to
by
law,
and
I
just
have
a
a
strong.
L
Ma'am,
chair
the
when
the
question
was
put
forward,
that
it
will
erode
our
decision-making
and
and
regarding
state
government
overseeing
it.
I
we
talked
about.
I
had
a
dinner
with
the
deputy
premier
last
night
and
we
talked
about
various
project,
significant
projects
and
we
talked
about
the
call
in
calling
the
provision
in
the
act
where
just
where,
if
they
want
to
do
something
and
and
with
council,
we
ask
the
the
the
preparer
to
call
in-
and
I
said
the
last
time
we
did.
L
That
was
the
dual
development
and
was
the
first
time
I
we
wrote
a
letter
and
sent
it
into
the
deputy
premier
at
the
time
and
for
the
call
in
for
that
that
project
to
be
called
in
then
I
went
on
and
asked
I
said,
oh
regarding
our
other
projects,
and
I
said
even
if
it's
your
your
project,
that
means
state
government,
I
said,
do
you,
you
would
still
respect
council's
position
right
and-
and
he
said
I
can-
I
can't
go
verbatim,
but
the
call
call-in
provision
is
actually
from
your
desire
and
to
have
a
project
happen.
L
So
what
your
decision
is
in
the
city,
they
have
well.
The
current
dp
and
the
previous
dp
has
no
no
strategy
to
impose
their
will
upon
the
city,
okay,
so
the
statement
that
in
in
doing
this
it
gives
more
leeway
for
state
government
to
overrule
or
make
decisions.
L
I
want
to
make
it
relatively
clear
that
well
in
the
past
10
years
anyhow,
the
state
governments
absolutely
respect.
This
is
the
city's
provision.
The
city's
decision,
notwithstanding
put
aside
the
the
planning
instrument,
that's
in
their
realm,
in
their
opinion,
I'm
talking
about
project
pacific.
L
The
second
second
point:
then:
it's
not
quite
a
clarification,
but
just
to
answering
the
question
regarding
what
happens
the
other
six
month.
Well,
it's
I
would.
L
I
would
say
that
it's
an
approved
approval,
condition
that
you
operate
it
for
six
months
and
the
other
six
month
is
to
kept
clean
and
that
that
it
doesn't
allow
any
other
person
or
operator
to
be
to
be
there
and
and
gives
it
gives
it
a
better
control
that
nobody
can
just
come
and
set
up
and
make
something
else
in
competitive,
so
that
the
tenure
is
a
lot
more
clear
and
certain,
but
the
operation
is,
of
course
we
conditioned
that
they
cannot
operate
within
that
six
months.
L
Only
so
I
hope
that
helped
clara
answer
the
question
regarding
how
that's
going
to
be
handled,
and
so
that's
the
two
to
clarification
I
want
to
put
to
you.
K
We
all
know
that
we
need
to
keep
reinventing
ourselves
to
remain
the
number
one
tourism
destination
in
australia,
and
we
also
know
that
one
of
the
major
reasons
that
people
come
from
overseas
to
visit
this
part
of
the
world
is
our
beautiful
beaches.
They
are
undoubtedly
among
the
best
in
the
world,
and
we
have
such
a
massive
coastline
of
opportunity
for
people
to
enjoy
our
beaches
and
any
type
of
beach
activity
that
they
want.
K
So
if
they
want
a
quiet
place
to
go,
they
can
find
many
if
they
want
somewhere,
where
there's
not
a
beach
bar
there's
another
54
or
so
kilometers
that
that
they
can
attend,
and
I'm
pretty
sure
that
many
of
us
have
attended
beach
bars
in
other
parts
of
the
world.
Councillor
patterson
has
mentioned
asia.
K
I
myself
have
attended
beach
bars
in
bali
and
at
mykonos,
and
you
know
it's
a
unique
experience
in
those
locations,
but
ours
is
even
more
unique
and
it's
my
very
firm
belief
that
the
trial
that
we've
most
recently
had
was
unfair.
It
was
unfair
in
every
way
in
terms
of
the
opportunity
for
people
to
visit.
C
C
So
to
me,
I
think
that
that
makes
a
substantial
difference
than
just
saying
beach
club
operator,
and
I
think
that
council
of
worster
earlier
the
the
milestone
opportunities
council
laws
have
to
make
decisions
and
then,
ultimately,
the
decision
that
we
will
have
to
make
as
a
council
in
potentially
three
or
four
years.
Time
is
what
we
do
with
the
results
from
the
pilot
and
from
the
information
and
the
data
that
we
receive.
C
I
I
went
along
to
one
of
the
days
where
the
sun
was
out,
but
the
clouds
were
were
above
us
and
it
was
a
weekday
and
it
was
relatively
quiet.
But
I
sat
down
at
a
table
and
there
were
a
couple
of
middle-aged
businessmen
who
walked
up
and
sat
down
beside
me
and
just
started
chatting
and
they
were
from
the
sunshine
coast
and
they
couldn't
believe
that
it
hadn't
been
done
either
on
the
sunshine
coast
or
the
gold
coast
in
the
past,
and
they
they
they
loved
it.
C
And
in
fact
they
said
to
me
that
they'd
driven
down
specifically
to
go
to
it.
Now.
I
don't
know
if
they
went
to
anywhere
else
in
broad
beach
that
day,
but
I
think
that,
ultimately,
when
you
go
to
the
beach
you
go
to
the
beach
and
you
don't
necessarily
always
go
into
the
adjacent
shops.
So
I
think
that
more
data
over
time
will
help
make
in
inform
a
decision
in
three
or
four
years
time
in
regards
to
where
it
goes
from.
Here.
E
So
I
just
wanted
through
you
to
the
mayor,
my
understanding
from
our
conversation
before
you
entered
the
room.
My
concern
with
the
state
government
and
the
control
on
future
decisions
is
not
one
of
calling.
So
what
was
asserted?
What
was
stated
to
us
before
is
because
this
trial,
unlike
the
last
one,
has
to
go
through
a
planning
application
process
well,
effectively
we're
setting
a
precedent
of
planning
application.
E
E
E
In
terms
of
commercialisation
is
because,
once
this
is
decided,
then
there
is
a
precedent
there
if
the
state
government
says
sure,
as
an
as
the
owner,
I'm
willing
to
give
you
operator
consent
for
a
planning
application
to
council
to
consider,
but
we
can
then
make
a
decision
and
we
could
decline
it
and
we
know,
based
on
numerous
other
applications,
that
that
could
then
be
overturned
in
court,
and
I
just
think
that
when
this
was
presented
to
us
that
that
league,
that
significant
legal
difference
wasn't
presented-
and
it
was
only
brought
out
when
council
of
worcester
shared
it
if
you
hadn't-
I
wouldn't
have
even
been
aware
of
that,
and
I'm
now
really
quite
concerned.
E
F
F
Thank
you
very
much
for
your
patience.
Look,
madam
chair.
I
I
I
think
what
we
really
need
to
do.
I
think
we
all
need
to
make
this
effort
is
to
give
councillor
patterson
an
assurance
that
earlier
councils
have
done
nothing
other
than
look
after
our
beaches.
When
all
other
levels
of
government
have
failed
us,
there
is
no.
F
F
The
opposite.
Recommendation
gave
the
administration
control.
This
motion
gives
us
control
and
you
know
why
it's
a
better
process
than
the
one
that
you
were
happy
to
support
last
time.
I
think
the
reason
why
it's
a
better
process
is
it's,
because
it
requires
a
material
change
of
use
which
has
a
statutory
public
notification
and
submission
process
and
affords
the
community
appeal
rights.
F
F
Madam
chair,
speaking
more
broadly,
we
have
an
obligation
to
protect
the
community
and
we
have
an
obligation
to
protect
our
assets
and
we
have
a
greater
obligation
to
make
sure
that
our
assets
are
working
for
the
community,
and
I
cannot
ignore
the
comments
by
destination
gold
coast.
In
support
of
this,
I
cannot
ignore
some
of
the
early
results
in
the
consultation,
and
I
cannot
ignore
the
comments
of
my
colleagues
informing
the
view
that
absolutely
we
should
be
supporting
a
trial
and
to
any
councillors.
F
That
may
worry
worry
not
because
this
is
a
much
more
sophisticated
process,
a
more
transparent
process
and
a
process
that
gives
you
the
ability
to
set
a
benchmark,
and
if
you
don't
vote
for
this
you're,
relying
on
a
local
law
to
dictate
how
commercialization
happens
rather
than
an
instrument
with
the
force
of
law.
Thank
you.
A
For
all
your
input
there
we'll
move
on
to
item
6.5,
which
is
a
gold
coast,
transport
strategy,
2041
engagement
process.
B
Thank
you,
madam
chair
councillors,
you'll
recall
that
we
put
this
item
before
you
at
a
previous
committee,
and
we
took
your
advice
on
board
since
that
time,
there's
been
a
number
of
changes
made
to
the
consultation
document,
which
is
the
draft
discussion
paper
as
attached.
B
Mr
tilley
and
his
officers
have
visited
you
to
discuss
your
concerns.
Mr
tilly
apologises
for
not
being
here
today,
he's
bedridden
with
covert
quite
severely.
In
fact,
his
whole
team
has
got
covered,
so
particularly
the
next
team
talking
about
the
freight
strategy,
so
I'll
be
talking
to
that
one
as
well,
but
we
do
have
ben
casparni
here,
who's
been
the
project
manager
for
the
transport
strategy.
In
case
you
have
any
questions.
B
He's
been
in
the
anti-covert
booth
the
whole
time
in
the
basement,
so
he's
designated
survivor.
I
think
you
call
it
that's
the
one
so
councillors
it's
there
before
you
in
the
report,
I'm
not
sure.
If
there's
anything,
I
need
to
add
other
than
that
we've
taken
on
board
again
really
good
feedback
that
you've
given
us
through
this
consultation
process.
I
believe
that
the
document
is
far
more
fit
for
purpose.
B
We've
listened
to
your
advice
around
singing
our
praises
on
what
the
current
2031
strategy
has
provided
to
the
city
on
to
date
and
will
provide
the
need
for
moving
forward
to
embrace
the
new
technologies,
particularly
that
have
been
emerging,
which
will
take
us
out
to
2041
and
understanding
the
need
for
new
forces,
apart
from
just
normal
growth,
which
are
impacting
the
city,
particularly
as
we'll
look
at
in
the
next
item.
Madam
chair
around
the
growth
of
freight,
but
across
all
sectors
of
of
transport.
F
F
Okay
and
sorry,
madam
chair,
for
you
to
the
director
between
now
and
full
council,
could
you
just
confirm
whether
one
of
those
pop-ups
might
include
robina
town
centre
was
discussed
between?
I
think
counselor
chosen
myself.
Maybe
he
was
there.
I
think
he
was
that
robina
town
center
is
a
good
spot
because
it
induces
so
much
traffic
it'll
be
good
to
capture
the
travel
behaviors
of
those
people
and
also
give
mudrabah
residents
an
opportunity
to
do
something
on
their
doorstep.
Agreed.
A
Councillors
is
there
any
other
questions
there
and
I
think
we
all
had
you're
happy
to
move
that
moved
by
councillor
peter
young
seconded
by
council
of
worcester
councillors.
All
those
in
favour
that
is
carried
and
our
final
item
of
the
day
is
the
10-year
freight
investment
schedule.
Now
it
is
on
grey
paper
and
for
the
local
government's
budget
reasons.
If
there's
any
questions
or
any
comments.
Thank
you,
mr
may.
Any
questions.
I
I'd
like
to
introduce
general
business
motion
when
we've
finished
thank.
A
You,
if
there's
a
need
to
go
into
closed
at
all
for
this
or
if
our
counselors
have
read
the
report
and
we're
happy
for
it.
Councillor,
owen
jones,.
A
C
A
F
F
A
I
I
moved
that
a
traffic
engineering
investigation
be
undertaken
into
the
narang
state
school
precinct,
thank
you
and
if
I
might
speak
to
it
very
briefly,
yes,
please.
I
did
discuss
this
with
the
director
before
the
meeting
began,
and
hopefully
I
got
the
words
right
there
director.
There
was
a
report
here
about
a
petition
for
a
signal
for
a
pedestrian
crossing,
a
zebra
crossing
in
narang
street,
and
I
was
happy
to
accept
all
that
and
the
works
that
are
proposed.
Then.
I
Subsequently,
I
became
aware
of
the
active
school
travel
program
which
is
being
run
through
the
narang
state
school
and
the
drop-off
zone
that
they're
promoting
through
this
is
directly
near
this
proposed
or
where
the
petitioners
sought
for
the
crossing
to
be
installed
and
which
we're
not
doing,
and
I've
talked
with
the
director
about
the
fact
that
just
up
the
street
on
the
intersection
with
ferry
street,
it's
a
very
major
road,
the
pedestrian
crossings.
There
are
signalized,
but
there's
only
three
legs
of
the
signals
and
the
fourth
one
is
the
critical
one.