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A
Welcome
to
all
councillors
on
the
committee
and
visiting
councillors,
councillor
gates,
deputy
mayor
councillor,
o'neal
and
councilman
donald
we've
got
no
leave
of
absence
at
all
item.
Three
is
confirmation
of
minutes.
If
I
could
have
a
confirmation
of
the
minutes,
that's
councillor
caldwell
second,
by
councillor,
pc
young,
all
those
in
favour.
A
That's
carried
you
right
there
with
that
sandy
all
good
all
right
on
councillor,
peter
young's,
just
running
a
couple
of
minutes
late,
but
he's
he'll
join
us
shortly.
A
The
committee
we
have
six
start
items
there
today.
Did
anyone
want
to
unstar
anything.
B
Good
morning,
madam
church,
just
hoping
that
we
could
deal
with
the
conflicts
of
interest
declaration
awesome
if
that's
all
right.
Okay,
madam
chair,
I
haven't
taken
the
step
of
forwarding,
I
suppose,
notice
to
the
city
solicitor
through
the
council
conflicts
email
address,
because
in
my
firm
view
I
do
not
have
a
declarable
conflict
of
interest
to
make
a
declaration
to
make,
but
I
did
want
to
bring
the
meeting's
attention
to
the
fact
that
my
wife
and
I
own
an
investment
property.
B
I
didn't
form
the
view
that
I
had
a
declarable
conflict
of
interest
or
a
prescribed
conflict
of
interest
because
of
the
very
general
nature
of
the
report
and
that
the
suggested
or
foreshadowed
infrastructure
improvements
service,
a
significant
number
of
people
in
the
local
government
area.
In
fact,
it
deals
with
palm
beach
and
all
roads
that
might
lead
to
palm
beach.
I
thought
I'd
bring
that
to
the
meeting's
attention
in
case
any
counsellor
was
so
moved
to
move.
A
procedural
motion
compelling
me
to
manage
that.
A
Any
questions
at
all
counsellors
all
right,
so
I
don't
believe,
there's
a
a
conflict
there
and
we
do
have
the
city
solicitor
on
the
line.
Did
you
want
to
ask
for
cherie's
advice
or.
A
Thanks
councillor
vorster
councillors,
we
have
six
start
items
today.
Did
we
want
anything
else
to
council
of
also.
A
A
B
Thank
you,
madam
chair
just
had
a
question
for
city
offices
and
before
asking
that
question
I'd
just
like
to
thank
director
twine
for
having
taken
up
this
issue.
The
original
petition,
I
think,
has
languished
for
a
little
while,
but
it's
now
been
brought
to
this
committee
to
be
dealt
with,
but
my
question
threw
you
to
the
direct,
and
perhaps
it's
something
that
can
be
taken
on
notice
between
now
and
for
council.
B
B
But
the
petition
also
asks
for
council
to
allow
letterboxes
constructed
within
the
road
reserve
to
room
to
remain
in
situ
until
such
time
as
that
letterbox
is
arrives
at
its
end
of
life
and
will
need
to
be
reconstructed.
So,
for
example,
if
a
letter
box
has
been
in
the
nature
strip
for
the
last
30
years,
that
council
wouldn't
proactively
ask
that
letterbox
to
be
relocated
until
such
time
as
that
letterbox
needs
to
be
replaced.
B
C
D
So
on
that
basis
I
would
move
that
number
one
is,
as
is
number
two.
D
B
B
There
was
a
time
where
the
state
government
proposed
to
abolish
the
cul-de-sac,
I'm
not
sure
if
many
of
you
recall
that-
and
we
took
a
very
firm
line
that
we
wanted
to
preserve,
I
suppose
the
opportunity
for
those
living
in
a
cul-de-sac
to
enjoy
green
time
instead
of
screen
time
right
so
playing
basketball
cricket
handball
and
all
that
all
of
that
I
mean
I
live
in
a
cul-de-sac.
It's
great.
B
My
feedback
through
you
to
counsellor
young
is
that
if
we
were
to
change
the
city
officer
recommendation
now,
what
we
should
merely
do
is
refer
to.
The
fact
that
council
will
manage
will
manage
reports
on
a
complaint
basis
right
and
that
would
maybe
give
comfort
to
people
who
might
worry
that
we're
going
to
be
driving
around
cul-de-sacs
reporting
incidents
that
that's
not
the
case.
We're
reaffirming
the
fact
that
we
will
only
respond
to
complaint
when
managing
the
use
of
low
impact
recreational
facilities
in
our
streets.
B
Legitimize
the
behavior
we're
going
to
expose
ourselves
to
risk
if
somebody
is
injured
in
the
roadway
because
we're
giving
it
tacit
endorsement.
So
that's
the
only
feedback
I
provide
to
councillor
young.
I
think,
let's
acknowledge
the
fact
that
we
respond
to
complaint,
that
there
is
no
proactive
program,
but
let's
not
legitimize
it,
because
it
is
contrary
to
superordinate
state
legislation.
E
Do
we
still
have
cherie
with
us
pardon?
Do
we
still
have
the
city
solicitor
with
us,
so
I'd
be
interested
in
cherie's
view
on
whether
or
not
the
city
should
be
acknowledging
how
comfortable
we
are,
or
not,
with
kids
playing
on
a
road
reserve.
A
E
B
D
Thanks,
I
just
felt
that
the
officer's
recommendation,
if
that
was
to
be
endorsed,
would
could
use
be
used
by
people
to
very
specifically
stop
children
from
playing
on
the
sidewalk
in
the
streets
as
they
have
for
for
decades,
and
I
don't
think
that
that's
our
intention
here.
B
A
All
right
so
councillor
peter
young's,
put
that
to
us
for
want
of
a
seconder.
So
did
anyone
want
to
second
what
councilor
peter
young's
put
forward
other
than
that
we'll
go
back
to
the
for
any
nope?
No
second
to
this,
so
we'll
go
back
to
the
foreshadowed
motion
and
I'll
go
to
counselor
owen
jones
to
speak
to
it.
E
Thank
you.
So
I
appreciate
where
counselor
peter
young's
coming
from,
and
I
don't
think
any
of
us
are
wanting
to
discourage
young
people
from
playing
safely
outdoors,
but
I
think
the
emphasis
has
to
be
on
the
word
of
safety.
I
think
it's
beholden
on
the
city
to
not
to
be
reactive
rather
than
proactive
in
terms
of
enforcement
in
this
area,
but
we've
got
many
cul-de-sacs
in
helensvale,
and
some
of
them
have
car
parking
in
them
in
the
middle
of
them,
where
there's
movement
of
traffic
in
all
sorts
of
directions.
E
So,
and
not
always
the
young
people
in
the
streets
being
supervised.
So
I
think
that
there's
a
there's,
a
balance
that
we
have
to
strike
and
it
to
me.
It
makes
sense
that
if
the
state
has
legislation
that
we
can't
work
around,
it
is
what
it
is
in
regards
to
the
letterboxes.
E
My
experience
with
them
is
that,
generally,
it
arrives
via
neighborhood
complaints
and
then
once
one
person
gets
pinged
for
a
letterbox
being
slightly
outside
of
their
boundary.
They
then
drive
around
and
find
all
of
the
other
litter
boxes
in
the
suburb
that
are
also
out
of
the
driveway.
So
it
becomes
a
bit
of
a
how
pulling
the
string
and-
and
it
just
keeps
on
unraveling.
E
So
I
think
that
we
need
to
be
careful
about
what
type
of
enforcement
notices
we
are
sure
in
regards
to
letterboxes
as
well,
and
we
just
need
to
have
a
fair
amount
of
common
sense
in
regards
to
that.
So
if
it
is
impeding
the
delivery
of
australia
posts
and
parcels
that
clearly
makes
sense
if
it
stops
pedestrians
from
moving
freely
on
footpaths.
That
makes
sense,
but
I
think
again
it's
an
area
where
we
need
to
be
reactive
rather
than
proactive.
B
Thank
you
madame
chen.
If
I
could
just
add.
B
I
think
when
we
envisage
the
playing
of
basketball,
for
example,
that
infrastructure
can
look,
can
take
a
number
of
forms
and
there's
certainly
portable
basketball
hoops
that
can
be
placed
on
a
driveway,
for
example,
within
a
private
property
boundary.
So
I
would
just
urge
anyone
hoping
to
eke
out
as
much
recreational
space
on
their
private
property
as
possible
to
have
a
think
about
that
movable
infrastructure
that
can
be
located
on
a
driveway,
which
is
also
a
hard
surface,
rather
than
encroaching
in
the
public
road
reserve
with
a
permanent
piece
of
infrastructure.
B
I
think
that
there
are
other
options
and
I
think
what
bringing
that
infrastructure
into
the
road
reserve
on
a
permanent
basis
does
is,
unfortunately,
make
your
lightning
rod
for
complaint,
and
I
say
that
generally
because
there
are
many
cases,
I'm
sure
of
us
all,
as
local
representatives
receiving
you
know,
emails
or
phone
calls
about
those
sorts
of
hoops.
B
I
am
most
interested
in
2b
not
to
be
no
no
2b
being
the
letterboxes,
because
it
is
sometimes
a
very
costly
exercise
to
demolish
a
letterbox
constructed
out
of
bricks,
as
they
were
back
in
the
day
with
footings,
very
costly
and
if
a
letterbox
has
not
been
the
source
of
nuisance
or
complaint
over
the
course
of
30
years.
I
really
like.
I
firmly
believe
we
need
to
take
a
common
sense
approach
when
addressing
that
first
complaint,
because
we
don't
know
the
personal
circumstances
of
that
homeowner
that
may
be
a
pensioner.
B
They
may
be
somebody
who've
recently
unemployed,
for
example,
and
to
put
that
financial
impost
on
them
for
something
that
can
be
rightfully
dealt
with
at
the
end
of
life
of
that
asset.
I
think's
unfortunate
and-
and
we
really
shouldn't
be
doing
it
so
if
between
now
and
full
council,
we
can
find
a
way
of
accommodating
that
end-of-life
approach.
I'd
be
very
interested,
and
I
think
that
might
be
a
very
similar
approach
to
the
one
that
city
officers
take
when
residents
put
in
those
kind
of
rubberized.
B
I
can't
call
them
curb
adapters
because
that's
the
end
of
the
storm
water
channel,
but
those
like
driveway
kind
of
aprons
that
sit
in
the
curb
there
are
many
of
those
across
the
city,
not
all
legitimate
and
approved,
and
experience
tells
me
that
they're
usually
allowed
to
remain
until
such
time
as
the
road
or
curb
is
renewed
at
end
of
life.
And
if
it's
okay,
to
do
it
for
that
class
of
asset,
I
think
we
can
and
should
be
taking
a
similar
approach
to
letterboxes.
A
A
It
would
just
be
in
my
mind
so
very
very
foolish
not
to
protect
our
little
people
as
greatly
as
we
possibly
can
and
not
put
any
sort
of
risk
at
all
in
their
way.
So
I
I'm
so
supportive
of
the
action
and
recommendation
that's
been
taken
thanks
councillor
gates,
so
it
will.
If
there's
no
other
comment
or
input
there,
we'll
take
that
to
the
voter
you're
happy
to
sue,
to
move
that
counselor
owen
jones
made
by
councillor
aaron
jones
seconded
by
councillor
forster,
all
those
in
favor.
A
That's
carried!
Thank
you.
That's
item
6.3
you're
right
with
that
sandy
all
right
councillors
and
then
our
final
item
item
6.6,
which
is
the
gold
coast,
light
rail
stage,
4
update
and
palm
beach
local
area
transport
study.
So
there's
also,
I
think,
there's
a
bit
of
a
presentation
there
with
mr
tilly
so.
C
Well,
madam
chair,
I
was
going
to
put
to
you
we
hadn't
attached
one,
but
in
view
of
our
discussion
last
week,
when
I
briefed
you
on
this,
we
did
prepare
one.
If
councillors
would
like
a
presentation
so
I'll
ask
you.
Otherwise
we
can
talk
to
the
report.
C
F
Thank
you,
madam
chair.
Thank
you
committee.
Hopefully,
it's
a
fairly
succinct
presentation
we'll
fly
over
and,
as
always,
very
welcome
to
take
some
questions
on
the
go
or
towards
the
end.
If
need
be
so
we
spoke
to
the
committee
in
may
around
light
rail
stage,
four,
an
update
for
the
committee
on
the
progress
being
made
between
the
joint
sort
of
city
and
state
team.
F
This
is
really
seeking
to
build
upon
that,
but
also
to
give
the
committee
an
update
on
the
linked
project
that
annette
the
project
manager
from
transport
and
traffic
and
morse
has
been
working
on
with
our
transport
planners,
which
is
the
palm
beach
local
area
transport
study.
F
So
we'll
give
a
bit
of
an
update
on
that,
and
you
can
see
that
the
linkages
between
the
two
pieces
of
work
in
terms
of
the
the
first
part
of
the
presentation,
light
rail,
f4,
update
great
progress
being
made
by
by
dale
who's
sitting
behind
you
and
the
project
team
from
the
city
working
side
by
side
with
the
department.
Naturally,
we
are
a
legitimate
partner
in
the
in
this
phase
very
early
phase
of
the
planning.
F
It's
really
two
two
phases
that
we're
active
in
at
the
moment.
The
first
phase
is
part
of
the
project
appraisal
framework.
The
state
government
framework
that
really
we
do
need
to
respect
in
terms
of
making
sure
that
the
state
is
able
to
tick
the
boxes
from
their
investment
entities
and
as
well
as
the
federal
government.
Its
first
stage
is,
what's
called
a
strategic
assessment
and
that
was
produced
late
last
financial
finals.
Late
last
financial
year,
it's
going
through
the
department's.
F
What's
called
the
infrastructure
investment
committee
right
now
to
get
the
support
it
needs
to
then
move
into.
What's
called
the
options?
Analysis
phase
that
was
previously
called
the
preliminary
business
case
phase.
The
idea,
the
city
team
working
side
by
side
with
the
state
team
has
already
started
working
on
that
options,
analysis
piece
of
work,
making
sure
that
we
can
seek
to
deliver
the
the
artifact.
F
That
is
the
options
analysis
sort
of
mid
to
late
in
2022,
with
the
aim
being
that
we'd
get
it
to
the
department
by
the
end
of
this
financial
year.
For
it
then,
to
move
through
an
approval
process
within
the
state
government
in
the
in
the
second
half
of
next
calendar
year.
We
are
doing
a
fair
bit
of
work.
Both
transport
planning,
land
use,
planning,
economic
analysis
and
whatnot
to
make
sure
that
again
the
local
perspective.
F
What
a
what
a
city
city
shaping
mass
transit
system
can
do
for
the
southern
part
of
the
gold
coast
connecting
with
the
central
part
of
the
coast
and
to
the
north,
making
sure
that
we
are
well
educated,
informed
about
some
of
the
local
area,
transport
and
land
use
opportunities
and
risks
and
making
sure
that
we
inject
those
into
that
process,
and
certainly
the
palm
beach
local
area.
Transport
planning
studies
is
very
much
a
wonderful
bit
of
evidence
of
that
as
well.
F
I
think
most
on
the
committee
will
be
aware
that
the
department
has
has
led
and
is
currently
leading
some
what
they
call
multi-modal
corridor
studies
for
the
for
that
stage.
Four
corridor,
burley
ted's
to
tugan
piece
of
work
was
completed
a
couple
of
years
ago,
a
year
or
two
ago,
and
that's
what
they've
recently
undertaken
some
community
consultation
on
which
I'll
get
onto
in
a
second
and
the
second
piece
of
work,
they're,
the
southern
part
of
that
corridor
and
cooling
data
is
underway.
Now
the
department's
making
pretty
good
progress
with
that.
F
Our
local
area
study
is
going
to
inject
into
that
process
as
well,
and
the
idea
is
that
that's
completed
in
line
with
that
options.
Analysis
phase
as
well.
F
F
What's
called
the
detailed
business
case,
which
is
the
third
of
the
three
business
case
phases
with
the
with
the
state
and
with
the
the
input
of
of
expertise,
and
hopefully,
resources
from
the
federal
government
as
well
into
2023,
with
a
view
that
then
the
reference
design
and
detailed
business
case
phase
that
can
that
that's
there's
a
few
good
years
put
into
that
piece
of
work.
F
F
City
offices
attended
a
handful
of
those
sessions
as
well
to
participate
in
responding
to
questions
about
local
land,
use,
opportunities
and
constraints,
local
area
transport
elements
as
well,
but
certainly
it
was
a
departmental
led
exercise
to
which
we
were
aware
of
for
their
methodology
and
some
of
the
material
that
was
being
put
into
the
public
realm,
and
the
fly
through,
I
know
says,
spread
a
bit
of
interest
from
community
members,
and
rightly
so.
F
They,
I
think
that
the
numbers
we
had
a
project
control
group
last
week-
I
think
they
cited
there-
was
over
4
000
interactions
with
members
of
the
community
over
500
submissions
received,
and
the
department
is
now
also
about
to
launch
into
a
a
broader
piece
of
engagement
via
phone
surveys,
with
businesses
and
residents
along
the
entirety
of
the
light
rail
corridor
up
to
helensvale
as
well.
It's
a
it's
a
good.
F
I
think
it's
a
really
good
piece
of
work
there,
something
that
we
certainly
asked
via
mr
mayor
asked
for
a
number
of
months
ago
that
they
did
for
this
light
rail
4
piece
of
engagement.
It
really
is
a
city-shaping
piece
of
infrastructure.
It
shouldn't
just
be
confined
to
the
billy
heads
to
tugan
corridor.
F
I
do
want
to
acknowledge
thank
you
to
councillors,
mcdonald
and
o'neill
for
sending,
through
a
whole
lot
of
community
representation
from
from
your
offices
to
our
project
team
as
well.
It's
great
that
we've
got
full
visibility
of
those.
Sometimes
you
know
we
can
get
a
little
bit
of
a
sanitised
version
from
those
leading
the
community
consultation
exercise
where
it's
great
to
have
the
the
the
raw
submissions.
If
you
like
as
well,
it
really
does
help
our
local
area
transport
planning
process.
F
Back
in
may
back
in
may,
the
committee
made
a
number
of
notes
for
our
resolution
around
making
sure
that
we
had
we
were
advocating
for
some
local
the
benefits,
if
you
like,
from
light
rail
stage,
four,
the
six,
the
half
a
dozen
there
or
so
then
I'll.
Let
you
just
scan
your
eyes
over
each
of
those
station
designs,
sip
ted
principles,
which
we
know
is
very
important:
the
interface
with
natural
areas,
the
local
street
amenity
and
the
complementary
active
transport
infrastructure.
F
Certainly
parts
four
and
five
we'll
talk
a
little
bit
more
through
the
palm
beach
local
area,
transport
study
and
also
the
connection
through
the
kilimanjaro
cbd.
So
all
of
those
elements
have
been
taken
on
board
progressively.
F
Some
of
them
also
plot
they're
a
little
bit
ahead
of
their
time
in
terms
of
the
detail
through
the
through
the
planning
and
design
process,
but
certainly
it's
a
fantastic
move
by
the
committee
to
put
these
on
the
table
formally
and
early,
so
that
the
department
needs
to
make
sure
that
they
respect
those
positions
from
the
city
as
they
move
forward
through
the
planning
design
process.
F
Thank
you.
Thank
you,
madam
chair.
The
one
of
the
pieces
of
information,
if
you
like
that
was
put
into
the
public
realm
through
the
multimodal
corridor
study
for
billy
chuggin,
was
again
very
high
level
concepts
about
what
the
gold
coast
highway.
What
the
functional
form
of
that
gold
coast
highway
corridor
might
look
like
moving
forward
again
very
early
days
in
a
concept
planning
process,
the
color
coding
there
does
oscillate
between
a
four
lane
through
carriageway
and
the
red,
color
I'll,
say
and
they're
a
two
lane
through
carriageway
in
the
yellow
color.
F
It
is
a
it's
probably
one
of
the
most
commented
upon
elements
of
what
has
been
submitted
or
has
been
circulated
by
the
department,
as
recently
as
last
week
again
through
the
same
project
control
group,
it's
fair
to
say
that
the
department
is
open-minded
about
the
the
ways
in
which
the
community
has
responded
to
this
piece
of
information.
F
The
fly-through
that
you
may
have
seen
also
does
show
an
oscillation
between
two
three
lanes:
four,
through
lanes
parking
in
some
areas,
around
stations
parking
not
in
some
areas
on
the
gold
coast
highway.
The
the
detail
through
the
planning
process
will
will
come
in
time.
It's
certainly
noticeable
that
the
community
and
stakeholders
within
the
local
community
have
made
it
pretty
clear
that,
where
possible,
we
should
try
to
maintain
as
much
carrying
capacity
for
the
gold
coast
highway
through
palm
beach
and
as
much
corridor
on
street
parking
as
possible
as
well.
F
It's
not
just
advocacy
on
behalf
of
our
local
representatives,
but
also
some
community
members
as
well.
That's
now
part
of
the
next
phase
of
this
planning
process,
whereby
the
department
does
take
on
board
that
community
feedback,
and
certainly
mr
mayor,
took
the
time
to
offer
a
formal
city
position.
F
F
Another
element
in
here
which
one
which
were
talking
on
an
ongoing
basis
with
the
likes
of
council
mcdonald
and
some
community
members,
was
around
retaining,
where
possible,
as
many
of
the
right-hand
turning
movements
from
the
highway
and
onto
the
highway.
Certainly
some
of
the
fly
through
the
department
of
flight
through
did
show
the
removal
of
some
of
those
and
again
that's
been
commented
upon
by
many
of
the
community
members,
including
some
of
the
businesses
and
and
community
facilities
that
that
are
dotted
along
the
corridor
as
well,
so
again,
feedback.
F
That's
not
been
not
been
unheard
if
you
liked
by
the
department
the
final
slide,
just
in
relation
to
there's
our
segue
into
talking
about
the
palm
beach
local
area.
Transport
planning
study
is
about
the
m1
now,
just
as
a
like
a
placeholder
reminder
that
the
there's
a
significant
investment
from
the
state
government
down
the
road
just
further
to
the
west,
whereby
the
varsity
alexa
tugan
section
of
the
m1
upgrade
six
lanes:
minimum
plus
service
rows,
plus
active
transport
connections
and
corridors
significantly
enhanced
interchange
capacities
at
exits,
87,
89
and
92..
F
This.
This
is,
and
certainly
from
the
work
that
we've
analyzed
the
detailed
modeling
we've
done
for
the
palm
beach
local
area
study.
This
does
take
a
lot
of
the
traffic
growth
and
that's
from
that
southern
part
of
the
the
gold
coast
and
and
further
south
away
from
if
you
like
that
coast,
the
reliance
on
the
coastal
corridor,
where
we
are
looking
for
something
a
little
bit
more
progressive
in
terms
of
a
contemporary
transport
system
in
terms
of
a
mass
transit
system
for
the
coastal
corridor.
F
So
the
first
slide
of
a
handful
on
the
palm
beach
local
area
transport
study,
the
third
dot
point
there,
I
think,
is
pretty
important
and
you
can
see
there
the
the
functional
hierarchy
of
the
road
network
there
I
think
you're,
all
familiar
with
the
motorway,
arterial,
sub-arterial
distributor,
collector
and
local
street
nomenclature.
We
have
one
is
about
moving
moving
lots
of
vehicles,
one
is
more
about
place
and
a
local
street
access
function.
F
The
third
dock
point
there.
I
don't
choose
my
words
loosely
there,
really
what
what
a
net
the
team
have
done
through
the
palm
beach
local
area
transport
study
is
use.
What
I
call
inherited
network
assumptions
from
the
department
in
relation
to
the
m1
piece
of
work
in
relation
to
the
multimodal
corridor
studies
that
are
being
undertaken
at
the
moment.
We
are
a
partner
in
those
in
the
broader
light
rail
four
process,
we
are
a
stakeholder
in
the
m1
works
and
in
the
and
the
multi-modal
corridor
piece
of
work
as
well.
So
we
inherit
these
assumptions.
F
What
we
then
do
is
work
on
a
whole
lot
of
modeling
and
network
scenarios
to
come
up
with
what
we
think
is
a
logical
future
state
scenario
for
the
palm
beach
local
area,
transport
study
that
aligns
itself
with
our
transport
strategy
and
our
associated
modal
plans,
and
it
doesn't
necessarily
mean
that
we,
we
inherit
network
risks
or
network
characteristics
that
aren't
commensurate
with
the
the
local
area
context
of
palm
beach.
F
Another
important
point
here
is,
and
hopefully
you
can
follow
the
diagram
really
what
we're
dealing
with
at
the
moment.
In
terms
of
that,
major
north-south
capacity
through
palm
beach
is
really
we've
got
essentially
four
lanes
on
the
m1
and
four
lanes
on
the
gold
coast.
Highway,
not
a
great
deal
of
modal
choice
and
eight
traffic
lanes,
the
middle
diagram
there,
the
short
to
medium
term
I'll
call.
This
is
really
what
we're
looking
at
in
terms
of
our
planning
scenario.
F
The
assumptions
about
that
north-south
network
we'll
have
velu
ways
associated
with
the
m1
upgrade
we'll
have
enhanced
service
roads,
we'll
have
a
widened,
m1,
we'll
have
at
the
moment.
The
inherited
assumption
is
that
we'll
have
an
oscillation
between
two
and
four
lanes
on
the
gold
coast
highway
all
going
well,
we
will
have
a
light
rail
system
and
all
going
well.
We
will
have
an
ocean
way
as
well.
So
what
you
can
see?
F
There
is
a
much
more
much
broader
modal
choice
and
also
much
greater
capacity
for
north-south
movement
and
a
combination
of
inter-regional
movement
and
local
movement
as
well
in
future
medium
to
long
term,
and
don't
quote
me
on
quote
on
the
years
here,
but
the
state
government
are
also
working
on
the
heavy
rail
extension
from
varsity
to
the
to
the
airport
as
well.
So
this
is
a
piece
of
work
again.
F
So
it's
important
to
note
this,
and
certainly
in
terms
of
some
of
the
the
numbers
that
no
doubt
I'll
get
asked
about,
and
the
the
network
characteristics
and
network
assumptions.
These
are
these
paint
a
pretty
positive
story
in
terms
of
the
investment
in
that
north
south
part
of
the
part
of
the
coast,
whereby
we
do
know
that
there
is
a
convergence,
if
you
like,
of
the
m1
and
the
gold
coast
highway
and
the
associated
local
streets
in
terms
of
geography.
F
So
historically,
there
has
been
more
of
a
blend
of
using
the
highway
in
the
motorway
for
those
three
trips,
really
the
the
strategic
investment
in
the
western
option.
The
m1
option
on
the
service
road
option
will
mean,
and
if
the
myriad
of
transport
modeling
analysis
that
we've
run
all
signs
point
to
the
through
traffic
function
migrating
across
to
the
western
option,
which
is
the
m1
much
higher
capacity,
much
more
reliable
and
that's
again
an
inherited
assumption.
F
Hopefully,
this
slide
sort
of
further
verifies
what
I've
just
mentioned.
It's
important
to
note
here
and
I'll
choose
my
words
carefully
here
to
make
sure
that
there's
a
complete
understanding.
This
is
the
numbers
on
the
right
of
the
screen
here
are
about
through
movements,
vehicle
trips
that
don't
have
an
origin
or
a
destination
between
taliban
or
creek
and
caramel
creek.
F
So
what
we're
saying?
What
I'm
showing
you
there
that
the
through
traffic
function
between
2021
and
41,
the
through
traffic
function,
is
going
to
increase
by
circuit
80
in
that
time
through
traffic
function,
but
the
through
traffic
function,
the
non-local
traffic
along
the
gold
coast
highway
is
going
to
half
that
doesn't
mean
that
traffic
volumes
will
halve.
It
will
means
that
the
through
traffic
function
will
halve
because
of
the
significantly
enhanced
capacity
north-south
on
the
on
the
m1
and
the
associated
service
roads.
F
It's
a
really
important
point
that
what
it
does
mean
is
that
there
is
a
slower
growth
of
traffic
on
the
gold
coast
highway
and
in
some
modelling
scenarios
because
of
changes
to
function
and
form
of
that
highway.
There
is
actually
a
reduction
in
in
vehicle
volumes
along
there
because
of
the
people
movement
concept
of
what
a
mass
transit
system
can
provide
a
lot
rail
system
can
provide
so
people
throughput
will
increase
vehicle
throughput,
particularly
that
of
non-local
trips
will
decrease.
That's
what
every
single
of
the
23
modeling
runs.
F
Where
we
go
with
with
with
that
now,
what
we
do
is
work
on
a
very
sound
principle,
based
approach
to
look
at
our
future
road
network
and
functional
hierarchy,
to
a
point
where
we
need
to
target
our
investment
to
accommodate
the
moderate
growth
and
the
natural
growth,
the
organic
growth
in
movement
around
the
suburb
and
through
the
suburb
again
to
try
and
ensure
that
I
try
to
facilitate
and
enable
the
road
network
to
perform,
as
we
would
like
it
to
perform,
we
want
the
m1
doing
the
heavy
lifting
we
don't
want
local
streets,
doing
the
heavy
lifting.
F
What
we
have
shown
and
again
through
multiple
modeling
runs,
is
that
some
of
the
local
streets
and
we
can
hone
in
on
a
couple
of
them,
there's
malware,
there's
townsend,
there's
palm
beach,
there's
19th
half
these
are
all
operating
in
all
of
our
modeling
runs
well
under
four
lane
capacity
and
palm
beach.
F
The
west
western
part
of
palm
beach
is
obviously
the
exception
there,
where
it
already
is
four
lanes,
but
certainly
none
of
the
modelling
runs
we've
done,
of
which
annette's
tested
have
had
a
lot
of
different
sensitivities
on
these
show
that
we
are
anywhere
near
four
lane
roads
for
any
of
these
local
streets
and
what
you'll
see
in
a
couple
of
future
slides.
F
What
you
may
have
read
in
the
report
is
that
absolutely
there
will
need
to
be
a
program
of
works
to
accommodate
for
the
organic
growth
in
palm
beach
over
the
next
number
of
next
number
of
decades,
but
they
are
likely
to
be,
and
they
do
need
to
be
proven
up
through
individual
project
cases
and
through
our
planning
and
design
process,
but
they
will
be
focusing
in
on
things
like
localized
industry,
intersection
upgrades,
localized
safety
improvements
where
we've
got
a
part
of
the
road
network
which
may
have
been
through
its
operational
life
priority
priority
intersections
that
we
might
need
to
introduce
some
sort
of
additional
normal
traffic
regulation
to
make
sure
safety
is
paramount
through
this.
F
So
we
do
know
there
as
well
and
we
are
assuming
and
you've
seen
you
might
recall
the
previous
slide.
The
gold
coast
highway
was
an
arterial
road,
we're
not
looking
at.
We
want
that
to
be
a
sub
arterial
at
most
in
2041.,
it's
a
people
moving
corridor
and
we're
going
to
design
it
and
plan
it
accordingly.
F
The
concepts
that
we
are
looking
to
progress
now
I
use
that
you're
going
to
use
my
terms
carefully.
These
are
concepts
based
on
a
fairly
high
level,
strategic
area-wide
transport
study.
These
are
very
sound
concepts
that
annette
and
the
team
has
looked
at
now.
This.
I
think
this
one's
townsend
avenues
the
example
on
the
right.
F
Pardon
me
if
you
can't
see
the
detail,
but
what
we're
looking
at
very
similar
to
what
we've
done
in
other
parts
of
the
local
road
network,
whereby,
where
we
have,
for
example,
a
four-way
priority
intersection,
we
tidy
that
up
a
little
bit.
We
make
that
safe.
We
make
people
realize
exactly
who's
got
right
of
way
there.
We
make
sure
that
people
can
cross
the
road
in
those
locations.
F
We
make
we're
sure
where
we've
got
say.
For
example,
we've
got
small
roundabouts
that
we
we
put
in
splitter
islands
to
make
sure
people
can
cross
the
road
there.
We
basically
give
it
a
2021
to
2041
lick
of
paint
to
make
sure
that
this
operates
in
a
way
that
can
it
can
accommodate
a
bit
of
organic
growth,
but
we're
not
none
of
these
concepts.
F
We
already
have
a
number
of
intersections
in
our
program
as
well.
It's
important
to
note
through
our
four-year
program.
Some
of
these
we
are
delivering
as
a
city,
the
whole
city
fund.
Some
of
them
will
maybe
candidates
for
trunk
infrastructure
funding.
Some
of
them
are
likely
to
be
grant
funded
through
with
the
department
we're
working
on
black
spot
project
tomorrow.
I
think
it's
throwing
losing
parade.
I
think
it
is
whereby
we
actively
seek,
as
you
know,
and
as
you
won't
give
us
providers
wonderful
support.
F
We
actively
advocate
for
these
additional
funding
sources
from
the
state
or
federal
government,
we'll
keep
doing
that.
We've
got
projects
in
our
pipeline
at
the
moment.
What
will
come,
as
this
happened
with
other
area
studies
that
we've
done,
which
have
been
discussed
in
this
forum
in
months
gone
by?
F
You
can
see
there's
a
an
embryonic
program
of
works
if
you
like
within
palm
beach
there,
that
we
think
okay
within
this
next
20-year
window
2021-2041,
we
have
a
series
of
interventions
that
we'd
like
to
introduce
some
of
them,
like,
I
said
our
conversion
of
priority
or
roundabout
intersections
to
signals.
Some
of
them
are
corridor.
Improvements,
like
I
mentioned
on
the
other
slide
around
just
making
things
safer,
creating
some
short
auxiliary
lanes
so
that
vehicles,
if
they
stop
and
prop
to
turn
right,
they
don't
block
the
whole
road.
F
We
will
do
and
I
know
we've
been
asked
well.
Are
we
going
to
do
some
community
consultation
on
this
piece
of
work
area
studies
because
they
are
a
strategic
and
b
fairly
high
level
concepts
by
the
nature
of
them?
We
tend
to
do
our
community
consultation
via
your
good
sales
as
local
representatives,
as
we
progress
concepts
where
they
become
a
little
bit
more
tangible
in
terms
of
being
project
candidates,
it
might
be
improvements
around
a
school.
F
As
you
know,
we
always
go
and
speak
to
the
school,
and
today
we
speak
to
the
principal
before
we
push
it
throughout
what
we
call
our
gate
zero.
So
we
will
progressively
do
some
community
consultation
more
broadly
than
just
via
in
this
instance
via
council
mcdonald's
office,
and
the
final
slide,
I
believe,
madam
chair,
is
that
we
note
the
contents
of
the
report
and
I
thank
you
for
your
attention.
A
Great
thanks,
matt
great
presentation,
so
there's
a
few
questions
that
came
up
during
that,
so
I'll
go
to
council
of
roster.
First
then
councillor
toes
the
council
of
paterson
and
council
macdonald
and
overu
councillor.
B
Thank
you
very
much,
madam
chair.
I
just
had
some
questions
on
the
back
of
commentary
in
the
press.
B
F
Thank
you
three
millimeter.
Thank
you,
council
of
warster,
it's
fair
to
say,
I'm
aware
of
the
most
recent
media
reports.
All
I
could
probably
offer
at
this
point
in
time
is
that
the
departmental
statements
are
quite
accurate
in
terms
of
that
dude
they
do
take
native
title
and
cultural
heritage
issues
very
very
seriously.
It's
part
of
their
due
diligence
as
part
of
a
planning
process
from
memory
back
in
stage
three
early
days.
B
B
B
Do
we
have
an
idea
of
where
the
or
the
I
suppose,
the
length
of
that
velo
way
is?
You
know
where's
the
start
of
the
that
particular
length
and
where
is
the
proposed
end.
C
B
So
with
this
potential
sorry,
madam
chad,
just
particularly
interested
in
you
know,
I'm
often
told
to
get
on
my
bike.
Is
it
proposed
that
or
envisage
that
the
fellow
way
would
sit
on
the
western
or
eastern
side.
C
B
And
madame,
the
only
reason
why
I
ask
is
particularly
in
the
part
of
the
gold
coast
that
I
represent:
that
interfaces
with
the
m1,
the
east-west
movement
across
the
m1
by
active
transport
is
actually
quite
difficult,
and
it
seems
as
though,
when
you
drive
towards
brisbane
there
are
forever
these
pedestrian
bridges
that
effectively
create
an
active
transport
corridor
across
the
m1
away
from
busy
on-ramps,
off-ramps
and
roundabouts.
And
I
I
generally
feel
that
that's
quite
lacking,
particularly
the
central
southern
end
of
the
gold
coast.
B
You
don't
see
many
opportunities
for
people
to
get
to
say,
schools
that
might
sit
on
the
west
or
schools
that
might
sit
on
the
east
outside
of
those
very
complicated
interchanges.
And
the
reason
why
I
ask
about
the
velo
ways
is:
they
may
be
a
very
good
active
transport
option
to
link
more
people
to
those
school
communities,
but
I
think
we
risk
supporting
an
investment
where
there's
no
easy
and
effective
way
for
people
to
commence
those
journeys.
If
we
don't
have
the
east-west
pedestrian
piece
sorted
out.
B
So
if
there
is
some
further
information
about
the
velowway,
I'd
be
really
interested
in
how
we
can
incorporate
that
velo
way
into
our
active
transport
corridors
and
make
sure
that
there
are
protected
pedestrian
crossings
and
shared
paths.
I
should
say
that
allow
people
to
get
onto
that
network.
C
Through
you,
madam
chair,
look,
I
need
to
clarify
council
of
also
sorry.
I
misunderstood
the
question
to
a
degree.
We
do
understand
that
on
the
western
side
of
the
m1
is
the
location
of
the
valley
way
for
that
project
so
for
the
varsity
detugen
upgrade,
and
we
have
been
working
with
transport
and
main
roads
over
the
last
few
years
to
look
at
exactly
what
you've
asked
us
to
look
at,
which
is
those
connections
through
to
local
schools
and
local
destinations.
C
It's
still
a
work
in
progress
trying
to
get
some
of
those
connections
made.
We've
been
quite
successful
in
lobbying
the
state
government
to
provide
that
particular
facility
to
to
try
and
access
as
many
schools
and
shopping
centers
on
the
western
side
as
the
m1.
C
As
we
can
pardon
me
now,
your
point
about
crossing
the
m1
is
a
very
good
one
and
it's
a
problem
across
the
entire
m1,
and
we
certainly
notice
that
in
the
north
of
the
city,
where
you
know
the
horses
bolted,
so
our
advice
to
the
department
has
been
to
look
at
every
single
opportunity
for
those
east-west
connections
that
they
are
able
to
do
with
this
fasty.
Detugan
upgrade
project.
B
Great,
so
so,
would
you
expect
that
the
state
government's
in
any
way
planning
potential
future
pedestrian
overpasses
into
their
design
work?
Or
is
it
something
that
they
will
revisit
when
when
it
may
be
a
priority
for
them,
because
I
know,
for
example,
councillor
toza,
and
I
talk
about
this
all
the
time
that
our
respective
communities
would
benefit
from?
You
know
a
safe
kind
of
overpass
linking
our
schools
and
residential
areas.
I
just
figured
it'd
be
cheaper,
getting
that
at
least
the
footings
in
the
ground
now
than
attempting
to
retrofit
it
after
the
fact.
F
Three
minute
chair
at
the
moment
I
understand
with
the
interchange
upgrades
counselor:
they
they
do
build
in
a
safe
and
direct
active
transport
facility.
As
part,
I
don't
believe
that
the
m1
varsity
tugan
has
a
separated
geographically
separated
active
transport
overpass
but,
like
I
said,
exits,
87
89
92,
as
they
are
doing
with
the
planning
through
things
like
the
kumar,
connector
and
whatnot.
They
are
building
in
something
that
at
least
provides
a
connected,
active
transport
bracket,
cycling
facility
across
at
those
interchange
upgrades,
but
not
separate.
F
At
the
moment,
my
understanding
doesn't
mean
we.
We
can't
investigate
it
further
with
the
department,
and
certainly
the
investments
of
that
scale
would
be
very
logical.
Candidates
for
state
government
grant,
funding
and
road
safety
grant
funding
and
the
like.
So
it
certainly
wouldn't
right
off,
but
I
don't
believe
it's
part
of
the
current
vast
electric
tubing
scheme
being
delivered
at
the
moment.
G
F
Minute
chair,
that's
my
understanding.
You
have
to
the
detail
I'll
that
might
get
back
to
you.
We
can
provide
there's
a
lot
of
detail
available
in
the
public
realm
at
the
moment
about
the
vastly
lakes
that
you
can
yeah
project,
because
it
has
been
essentially
being
delivered
right
now,
so
certainly
I
can.
I
can
certainly
circulate
the
yeah,
I'm
not
in
a
rush
for
information.
G
I
mean
particularly
through
as
well
yeah
yeah,
I
mean
the
the
conversation
that
council
of
oster
has
started
in
relation
to
bikeways
in
that
southern
precinct
is
interesting
to
me,
because
there's
obviously
an
opportunity
to
connect
division,
9
and
madrubara,
and
some
of
those
ravina
connections
where
the
stadium
is
to
those
more
southernmost
bikeways.
So
I'm
fascinated
by
that.
My
question
actually
related
to
the
one
of
the
images
in
your
presentation.
G
If
you
just,
is
it
possible
to
go
back
in
the
in
the
presentation
back
to
the
slide
where
there
was
two
photographs
and
it
looked
like
one
of
them,
one
of
the
two
depictions.
That's
it
there
is
that
the
burly
on
the
bottom
there
bottom
right
is
that
the
burly
connection
with
the
wildlife
bridge
that
goes
over
the
burley
heads
park.
Am
I
looking
at
the
right
space
there.
It
is,
and,
and
is
that
a
like?
Is
that
a
definite
is
that
definitely
going
to
happen,
or
is
that
just
like
a
depiction?
F
G
G
So
burly
ridge
remains.
I
suppose
the
question
I've
got
is
that
there
is
a
there's,
a
vegetated
asset
that
is
effectively
a
bridge,
but
I
I
thought
might
be
connecting
a
council
reserve
to
a
national
park
and
I
wondered
what
what
that
would
mean
for
us
if
our
natural
area,
how
will
the
natural
area
be
managed
in
the
context
of
where
the
national
park
finishes
and
ends?
C
I'll
I'll
take
that
one.
I
guess
we
have.
We
draw
a
parallel
with
similar
situations
in
brisbane
in
carrower
in
brisbane
carroll.
Forest
park,
council
developed
a
land
bridge
several
years
ago
which
separates
different
natural
areas
and
I
believe,
there's
different
tenure
so
and
there'd
be
other
locations
in
a
similar
context.
So
I
don't
believe
the
tenure
arrangements
would
be
too
much
of
a
problem
from
a
management
point
of
view,
but
it's
something
we
would
need
to
work
through
with
the
relevant
agencies.
F
C
Look
it's
difficult
for
us
to
say
councillor
but,
as
matt
said
earlier,
this
is
something
which
has
been
taken
very
seriously
by
the
state
it's
taken
very
seriously
by
us
as
well
and
yeah.
It's
as
I
alluded
to
earlier.
It's
not
the
first
time
that
wildlife
crossings
across
major
transport
corridors
have
been
contemplated.
C
We
have
seen
from
the
examples
which
I
cited
earlier
that
they're
very
effective,
and
it's
from
what
I
understand
it's.
It's
had
some
very
positive
feedback
through
the
consultation
process,
so.
G
Yeah
so
last
five
question
I
kayak
through
the
back
of
koala
park
regularly
under
the
bridge.
That's
just
south
of
there
is
it
expected
that
all
of
the
pedestrian
connections
and
walking
connections
through
there
will
be
retained
connecting
what
is
the
southern
side
of
belly
head
national
park,
and
I
think
it's
called.
What's
the
little
beach
in
there
echo
beach
or
something
okay,
okay,
yeah
across
to
park
well
that'll
still
be
connected.
F
Three
membership,
I
understand,
is
that
the
the
policy
position,
if
you
like
of
the
department
translated
through
the
projects,
is
that
it
at
least
needs
to
be
retained,
if
not
enhanced
significantly
through
a
project
of
this
scale.
So
connectivity,
local
connectivity
for
people
is
a
really
really
important
characteristic
of
this
project.
So
answer
your
question
generically.
It
will
be
at
least
maintained
if
not
significantly,
enhanced.
G
F
Street
manager
not
not
to
my
understanding,
counselor
toaster,
I
understand
that
the
co
we're
planning
principally
like
through
that
multimodal
corridor
study
was
at
the
department
we're
going
to
absolutely
try
to
minimise
any
property
resumption
through
that
piece
of
work
that
we're
working
with
quite
within
quite
a
constrained
cross-section.
Thank
you.
H
Thank
you
through
you,
madam
chair,
on
this
same
slide.
When
we
raised
first
of
all
that
concern
about
business-friendly
designs
in
mail
march,
whenever
it
was,
the
point
was
that
we
that
there
was
an
issue
with
the
existing
station
designs
and
that
we've
identified
issues,
particularly
with
the
southport
one
and
with
surface
paradise,
one
that
isn't
business
friendly,
so
the
response
that
you've
got
there
from
tmr.
That
will
be
consistent
with
what
we
do
already
doesn't
kind
of
get
to
the
point.
H
I
appreciate
that
you
say
that
you're
going
to
continue
to
advocate
on
that.
Can
you
just
give
me
a
bit
more
color
to
it
to
that.
C
The
color
is
orange,
isn't
it
so
that's
par
past
partially
part
of
the
problem?
I
think
the
sorry
to
cut
you
off
there
matt.
It
was
too
good
to
go
past.
Look,
it
is
disappointing,
I
guess
the
initial
response,
but
it's
not
unexpected
and
the
process
of
negotiation
does
take
a
few
go
so
we're
in
dialogue
to
to-
and
you
might
recall
that,
the
discussion
at
the
time
we
talked
about
the
melbourne
example
how
they're
quite
slimmed
down
and
they're
very
effective.
C
So
we
continue
to
to
put
that
before
the
department
to
say
you
can
have
a
reduced
station
design,
which
is
still
very
effective
and
is
to
your
point,
councillor
better
situated
to
the
immediacy
of
the
surroundings,
particularly
with
that
integration
with
the
community.
C
We're
very
aware
of
the
issues
with
some
of
the
existing
stations,
and
it's
often
been
put
before
this
comedian
council.
The
issues,
for
example
at
surface
paradise
as
well,
that
it
actually
sort
of
blocks
off
that
interaction
between
the
station
precinct
and
the
businesses.
So
we're
really
keen
to
progress
this
again
with
the
department
and
to
get
them
to
consider
more
fully
what
we're
really
trying
to
propose
here-
and
I
don't
think
the
horse
is
entirely
bolted.
H
Through
you,
madam
chair,
to
follow
up,
do
you
think
it
would
be
useful
for
advocacy
to
be
coming
from
different
channels
so
from
a
political
level
to
the
minister
and
also
interested
commercial
operations
that
consult
on
this?
That
might
be
keen
to
put
their
position
forward.
I
know
there's
some
that
have
been
doing
done
a
lot
of
work
on
the
cbd,
so
they
really
understand
the
shortfalls
and
they
could
probably
present
as
well.
C
Through
you,
madam
chair
council,
patterson,
that's
a
good
idea.
My
my
experience
with
the
department
is
that
they
they
listen
to
well-crafted
advice.
So
if,
if
that
advice
is
able
to
be
based
on
the
experience-
and
you
know,
is
constructive
in
in
that
regard,
they
generally
tend
to
listen
to
it.
F
Do
you
want
to
let,
through
madam
chair,
just
an
additional
point
there
to
elton's
already
mentioned
counsellor
right
now?
This
is
it's
early
days
to
be
trying
to
influence
color
palettes
and
materials
and
whatnot
right
now
in
the
planning
process,
we're
trying
to
influence
things
like
station
footprint,
so
minimize
the
footprint.
So
that's
the
concept,
design
phase
we're
up
to
which
was
inferred
in
mr
mayor's
advice.
F
So
there's
a
bit
of
a
stage
process,
I
think
with
there,
but
right
now
we're
trying
to
get
them
to
slim
down
the
overarching
station
design
concept
to
allow
for
other
things
to
still
occur
in
the
corridor
as
much
as
possible,
rather
than
go
with
the
what
they've
done
up
the
road
where
they
had
a
much
wider
corridor.
So
that's
the
phase
we're
up
to
at
the
moment
in
the
planning
process.
H
Through
you,
madam
chair,
and
I
think
the
other
thing
well
certainly
in
the
cbd
that
I'd
be
wanting
to
make
sure
is
being
communicated,
is
just
the
transparency
of
the
station.
You
know
if
we'd
still
like
to
have
that
retrofitted
that
station,
so
that
you
can
see
through
it
from
from
the
other
side
of
it.
It
makes
a
lot
of
sense
and
so
we'd
like
them
to
consider
that
I
just
got
two
other
questions.
Madam
chair,
the
first
one
is,
I
just
I
just
like
to
understand.
H
I
think,
coming
in
as
a
counsellor
when
a
lot
on
the
light,
rail's
done
already
what
what
is
council's
capacity
to
vote
on
anything
now.
Do
we
have
it?
Do
we
have
any
influential
vote
on
any
any
element
of
this,
or
is
it?
Is
that
already
all
kind
of
all
ticked
off?
It's
now
with
state
government,
and
all
we
can
do-
is
effectively
attempt
to
advocate.
C
Through
you,
madam
chair,
we
are
a
funding
partner,
so
we
do
have
a
voice
and
we
have
been
able
to
influence
outcomes
in
the
past
and
and
examples
of
that
would
be
around
the
sundale
bridge
active
transport
bridge,
where
we
spent
a
lot
of
time
lobbing
for
that
particular
facility
and
it's
its
final
design.
C
But
there
would
be
numerous
ones
on
both
a
large
scale
and
and
a
lot
of
very
small
scale,
things
which
make
a
lot
of
difference
to
locals
when
they,
you
know,
use
the
environment
that
this
infrastructure
is
is
built
in.
So
we
do
have
a
voice.
H
You
can
just
follow
up
from
that,
so
so,
for
example,
with
this
consultation
process,
that's
just
occurred,
but
we're
pretty
far
down
the
track
before
this
consultation
happens
in
terms
of
what
is
that
the
light
rail
is
going
there,
it's
just
a
matter
of
kind
of
tweaking
it
a
bit.
So
is
that
is
that
consultation
for
the
purpose
of
the
state
government?
Without
it's
not
up
to
us,
then
to
come
back
and
say
we
think
this
or
we
think
that
on
it.
Is
it
really
is
that
right.
C
C
So,
as
matt
said,
we
were
part
of
that
process
at
several
instances
of
there
to
be
able
to
receive
the
feedback,
particularly
as
it
relates
to
issues
of
interest
to
local
government
in
the
final
mix.
You
know
we,
as
I
said
before,
we
have
some
say
over
what
can
be
done,
but
you
know
it
is
a
tripartite
agreement
between
ourselves,
the
state
government
and
the
federal
government.
C
The
state
government
lead
the
project
and
I
guess
what
ultimately
falls
out
of
that
is,
is
still
a
matter
to
be
decided,
but
largely
driven
by
the
lead
of
the
state
government.
I
Thanks
very
much
madam
chair.
Firstly,
I'd
like
to
thank
the
officers,
because
I
know
that
they've
put
a
lot
of
time
and
effort
in
into
this,
and
I
think
there's
been
a
number
of
models
done,
trying
to
look
at
the
issues,
certainly
between
the
two
creeks
and
palm
beaches,
different
to
other
areas
on
the
gold
coast,
as
we
know,
and
and
certainly
with
the
inherited
assumptions
by
the
state
government
that
you've
had
to
work
within
that
vicinity.
I
On
the
highway,
because
the
state
we're
looking
at
going
from
four
to
two
four
to
two:
it's
created
a
number
of
issues
which
I
have
raised
with
the
officers
and
and
it
was
about
the
rat
running
in
the
residential
streets
and
and
because,
with
the
north
south
street,
you
know,
we've
got
gold
coast
highway,
we
have
cypress
terrace,
we
have
townsend
avenue,
malawa,
drive
and,
of
course,
the
m1
and
the
concern
that
has
been
with
that
reducing
the
ford
two
quarter,
two
in
places
that
would
be
with
the
rat
running
down
those
residential
streets
and,
as
I'd
said
before,
what
I
could
see
was
it
was
going
to
make
palm
beach,
have
four
highways
through
through
palm
beach
and
certainly
in
the
future.
I
If
it's
looking
at
four
laning-
and
you
know
towson,
avenue
or
or
any
of
those
residential
streets
that
will
remove
car
parking
along
those
streets
and
create
further
issues
through
palm
beach.
I
know
that
in
our
meetings
with
tmr,
I
did
raise
the
issue
about
the
removal
of
car
parking
along
the
gold
coast
highway
and
their
solution
was
to
turn
some
of
the
adjoining
streets
to
the
highway
into
one
way
and
have
angled
parking,
which
I
felt
would
just
absolutely
destroy
an
area
if
we
started
doing
that.
Although
those
internal
streets
are
council
streets.
I
I
So,
with
with
what
it's
showing
in
the
future
road
network
in
in
that
movie
color,
it's
all
all
internal
streets,
north
south
collector,
with
19th
avenue
as
a
distributor
and
palm
beach
avenue
as
a
sub
arterial
with
the,
and
I
noticed
that
it's
not
the
gold
coast
highway
with
that.
It's
called
the
ocean
boulevard.
I
So
could
you
just
tell
the
difference
between
that
one
and
one
of
the
ones
that
were
put
up
on
the
on
the
screen
there?
Please.
F
Three
madame
chow,
what's
on
the
screen,
now
is
the
same
as
what's
on
page
155
of
the
agenda.
F
I
had
the
only
other
one
was
this
one,
which
is
the
current
functional
hierarchy
and
then
the
so.
I
On
your
presentation,
you
had
some
other
road
functions.
I
F
So
this
is
showing
the
if
you
like,
it's
diagrammatically,
showing
the
spread
of
the
potential
interventions
that
we
would
introduce
over
the
next
20
21
to
20
20
41
period.
F
So
this
isn't
demonstrating
a
functional
road
hierarchy
per
se.
This
is
showing
where
the
as
you
can
see
in
the
legend
on
the
right
hand,
side
of
the
screen
showing
the
different
types
of
interventions
that
are
being
contemplated
by
the
project
team
to
then
form
part
of
our
road
and
active
transport
infrastructure
programs.
I
Okay,
so
are
you
telling
me
that,
with
what's
up
on
there
showing
the
distributor
roads
like
townsend
avenue,
section
of
malawa
drive
section
of
talabadro
drive?
That's
not
the
case
and
now
that
all
those
internal
streets
are
actually
collector.
F
I
Now
the
other
issue-
and
I
know
that
we
are
addressing
it
with
a
further
report-
is
some
double
band
stream,
because
that
is
going
to
become
an
issue
with
with
dtmr.
I
The
other
point
that
I'd
like
to
raise
too
is
they've
been
telling
residents
that
from
cypress
terrace
to
the
gold
coast
highway
in
palm
beach
avenue
that
it's
going
to
be
closed
off
made
of
pedestrian
therapy,
and
yet
we've
got
it
showing
that
it
goes
all
the
way
through,
and
I
just
want
to
make
sure
that
that's
clarified
with
them.
Is
that
going
to
be
a
through
road
to
the
gold
coast
highway?
Or
is
it
going
to
be
closed
at
palm
beach,
cypress
terrace.
F
Three-Man,
chair
councilman
donald,
I
don't
know
exactly
what
you're
referring
to,
and
all
I
can
say
is
that
what
we
are
proposing
for
a
palm
beach
local
area
transport
studies
what's
shown
on
the
screen
there.
So
in
answer
to
question
no,
we
are
not
proposing
as
an
output
of
this
local
area
transport
study,
a
truncation
of
palm
beach
avenue,
be
it
temporary
or
permanent
at
the
eastern
end
on
approach
the
gold
coast
highway.
F
I
Now
there
was
talk
in
here
about
the
heavy
rail.
Have
we
got
any
dates
on
whether
when
they're
looking
at
doing
heavy
rail
down
the
m1.
F
Three-Minute
chair
not
explicitly
councilman
donald
at
this
point
in
time,
they
have
commenced
the
business
case
process
a
very
similar
process
to
what
we're
working
on
for
light
rail
stage.
Four.
There
is
a
milestone
11
years
from
now,
which
I
think
would
be
natural
to
assume
that
they
might
be
targeting
for
delivery
prior
to
then,
but
again,
very
early
days
as
part
of
the
business
case
process
to
say,
which
actual
years
they
are
looking
to
prepare
for
a
construction
phase.
I
Madam
chair
I'd
just
like
to
get
some
clarification
on
that,
because
I
did
ask
the
federal
government
in
relation
to
the
funding
that
they
gave
to
the
state
government.
I
think
there
was
about
eight
or
nine
million,
or
something
like
that,
and
I
understand
the
business
case
was
only
for
up
the
northern
end
of
the
gold
coast
and
it
wasn't
in
relation
to
the
business
case
for
the
section
between
varsity
and
coolangatta.
I
Would
you
would
we
be
able
to
have
that
clarified?
Please.
F
73,
madam
chair,
so
there
are
multiple
exercises
going
on
with
regard
to
the
heavy
rail
network
upgrades
if
you
like,
on
the
gold
coast
at
the
moment,
some
of
them
emanating
from
a
cross
river
rail
project
in
brisbane
which
are
sub.
If
you
like,
sub
components
for
that
much
more
regional
project,
there
is
a
designated
project
underway
for
the
heavy
rail
extension
from
varsity
to
the
airport
and
underway
right
now,
mr
jepsen,
sitting
behind
you
sits,
is
our
lead
representative
on
that
piece
of
governments
which
is
dedicated
to
that
that
actual
project
itself.
F
So
it's
progressing
through
the
early
phases
of
a
business
case
process
in
isolation
or
as
its
own
project,
separate
to
those
ones
that
are
linked
to
crossover.
Okay,.
I
And
I
know
that
we
had
discussion
before
I.
I
had
to
really
query
that
one
percent
through
traffic
for
the
next
20
years.
I
really
I
really
have
to
question
that.
I
know
that
your
modeling
has
shown
that,
but
I
do
have
concerns
you
know
with
the
amount
of
development
that's
happening.
I
do
believe
that
that
figure
is
not
not
correct.
F
F
With
regard
to
that
particular
figure,
I
know
it's
an
area
we
spoke
about
before
there's
a
we've,
probably
done
three
or
four
fold
times
the
amount
of
analysis
on
this
study
than
what
we
would
usually
do
as
part
of
an
area
transport
study
because
of
the
permutations
of
the
network
characteristics.
Should
we
say
to
a
point
where
they've
used
multiple
modal,
multiple
modeling
platforms,
they've
used
a
very
can,
I
say,
very
well
regarded
consultancy
he's
done
a
lot
of
work
locally
in
this
space
as
well.
F
We're
we're
pretty
confident
in
the
due
diligence
that
we've
done
and
the
and
the
outputs
and
the
outcomes
of
the
piece
of
work.
That's
been
done
thus
far
to
a
point
where
I'd
like
to
be
able
to
have
the
team
speak
with
you
through
through
that
process
and
through
the
outputs
and
the
outcomes.
Thus
far,
to
give
you
a
high
degree
of
confidence
in
the
in
the
detail
that
we've
presented
today.
I
Thank
you,
I'm
sorry,
madam
chair,
there
is
a
few
other
things
now
I
did
raise
about.
The
right
hand
turns
because
that
at
the
present
and
I
went
through
the
flyover
and
by
the
way
the
flyover
is
different
to
the
hard
copy
that
the
state
government
had
put
out
so
and
residents
were
asked
to
make
comment
on
the
information
that
was
put
out
by
the
state
and
it's
very
difficult
when
it
differs
between
the
flyover
and
the
hard
copies
now,
with
the
right
hand,
turns
what
I
could
see.
I
There
is
only
right
heading
north.
There
is
only
right,
one
right
hand
turn
at
throw
a
drive.
The
next
right
hand
turn
is
next
to
the
taliban
creek
into
the
rec
center
car
park,
so
that
was
the
only
right
hand
turns
off
the
gold
coast
highway
towards
the
ocean.
I
They
have
removed
that
crossing
there
you
can't
get
in
so
it
means
that
you'll
have
to
either
drive
down
talabhadra
drive
and
get
into
the
taliban
tourist
park
from
a
little
very
narrow
street,
or
go
down
townsend
avenue
or
go
down
the
highway
turn
at
19th
avenue
come
back
down
townsend
avenue
to
get
into
the
tourist
park,
so
that
is
certainly
an
issue
there.
I
I
was
advised
the
other
day
that
the
rec
centre,
as
you
probably
are
aware,
they
have
expanded
that
considerably
in
the
last
number
of
months
and
with
the
car
park
at
the
front
there
there
has
been
a
reduction
of
the
car
park,
and
I
understand
that
the
to
take
up
that
reduction
they've.
Now
where
the
big
white
house
is
over
the
other
side
of
the
creek.
That's
why
they've
included
that
car
park
to
make
up
for
the
reduction
of
the
car
park
near
the
rec
center?
I
I
understand
with
the
rec
center
you'll
be
going
in
there,
but
you'll
be
coming
out
near
the
taliban
surf
club,
so
at
that
intersection
of
talabadro
drive
and
gold
coast
highway,
it's
going
to
be
a
massive
use
of
that
intersection
when
you've
got
over
100
car
parks
that
are
in
the
rec
center,
plus
all
their
activities.
You
know
throughout
the
day
now
we're
coming
through
a
car
park
there
that
have
people
with
dogs.
You've
got
people
going
into
the
club.
You've
got
children,
so
it's
creating
a
very
dangerous
situation.
A
A
Can
I
just
ask
you
there
if
a
lot
of
your
questions
are
actually
departing
from
that
we're?
Just
noting
this
today?
Did
you
want
to
do
those
offline
with
the
offices?
I.
I
A
I
F
F
I
Thank
you
just
one
more
cancers.
I
would
like
you
to
certainly
have
a
look
at
all
the
intersections,
where
the
intersections,
where
you
can
turn
right
into
those
intersections
and
how
far
people
have
to
go
down
turn
around
into
a
residential
street
to
come
back
to
get
onto
the
eastern
side
of
the
highway.
So
I'd
like
you
all
to
really
have
a
look
at
all
those
intersections
and
how
it's
going
to
impact
on
the
internal
streets,
it's
not
only
on
the
western
side
of
the
gold
coast
highway.
I
J
Thanks,
madam
chair
look,
I
do
appreciate
council
mcdonald
going
into
that
detail
because
we
it's
it's.
It's
the
corridor
study,
that's
in
division,
13
and
and
limited
to
division,
14
down
to
tugan.
So
I
understand
what
she's
saying,
because
I've
had
a
really
good
look
at
it
as
well,
and
I
am,
I
think
we
are
trusting
that
that
you
guys
will
actually
take
all
this
feedback
into
your
talks
with
with
dtmr,
because
they
they
certainly
in
some
areas.
J
They
have
actually
just
glossed
over
a
lot
of
things
and
the
local
road
network
which
you
guys
are
looking
at
for
the
palm
beach
area
and
I'm
sure
I'm
hoping
that
you'll
be
looking
at
in
my
area
as
well.
Not
a
lot
has
been
brought
up
about
between
crumben
and
tugan,
but
there
is,
there
is
a
lot
there
and
it
will
go
down
to
one
lane,
so
the
local
road
network,
around
that
being
up
to
manga
and
being
pacific
parade
at
carumban
will
they'll
have
to
be
some
some
solutions
there.
J
My
big
concern
and
the
concern
that's
being
brought
up
to
my
office
after
the
consultation,
was
the
actual
alignment
of
light
rail
stage.
Four
going
through
tugan.
Everyone
expected
it
to
be
down
the
middle
of
the
gold
coast
highway
because
it's
so
so
wide.
Once
you
get
past
toulonna
street,
there
they've
actually
pushed
it
to
the
golden
for
drive
side.
J
So,
of
course,
everyone
is
concerned
about
maybe
loss
of
vegetation,
because,
if
there's
tremendous
vegetation
all
along
there
to
buffer
the
the
gold
coast
highway
from
golden
4
drive
and
the
residents
who
live
along
there,
so
that
is
a
real
concern.
J
C
Through
you,
madam
chair,
it
is
just
a
concept
design
at
the
moment
and
particularly
in
the
southern
part
of
of
that
study
area.
It's
it's
something
that
I've
I've
done
to
get
the
paper
dirty,
so
to
speak.
So
it's
an
initial
go
and
there
is
plenty
of
opportunity
for
for
further
consultation.
Now
I
can't
make
promises
on
on,
obviously
on
behalf
of
the
department
in
terms
of
how
they
might
treat
the
feedback,
but
the
opportunity
exists
nevertheless,
to
provide
that
detailed
feedback
from
the
community
around
concerns
that
they
might
have.
J
J
They
did
advise
that
they
will
be
widening
the
other
side
of
the
road,
but
it
is
a
you
know
just
and
they
haven't
done
any
planning,
past
boyd,
street
and
tugan,
but
I
think
I've
brought
up
with
you
guys
and
I
and-
and
I
know
a
lot
of
that-
my
residents
have
brought
up
closure
of
some
streets,
how
that's
going
to
work,
and
certainly
with
stewart
road
which
is
an
80k
road
which
is
a
bypass.
J
The
the
you
know,
the
highway,
the
m1
bypass
there,
providing
an
ingress
off
that
road,
I
think,
is
crazy
and
where
they
want
to
do
it,
but
but
a
lot
of
that
feedback
they
actually.
I
thought
they
listened
at
the
consultation,
but
I'm
expecting
that
that
you
guys
will
come
to
me,
especially
about
local
road
network,
even
though
it's
only
from
crime
into
tugan.
At
this
stage.
Thank
you.
A
Thanks
councillor
and
now
I
go
to
councillor
gates,
thanks
chair
through
you
to
the
officers,
even
though
this
simply
notes
the
report.
C
Through
you,
madam
chair,
yes,
there
is,
if
you'd
like
to
to
draw
out
some
specifics,
so
there
are-
and
we've
done
that
before,
and
we
cited
the
example
earlier
today
of
the
specific
advice
that
we
gave
the
department
say
around
station
design.
So
if
there
are
particular
elements
here
or
you'd
like
to
reinforce
that
the
local
road
network
is
a
responsibility
of
the
city
and
we
have
a
plan
for
that.
Moving
head,
yes
happy
to
to
consider.
Well,
I.
E
Thank
you,
madam
chair.
Through
you,
two
questions.
The
first
one
was
just
in
regards
to
page
153,
where
it
talked
of
the
through
traffic
dropping
by
46
percent.
What
is
the
actual
volume
of
traffic
predicted?
At
that
same
time,
though,
so
I
appreciate
that
that
through
traffic's
going
to
halve,
but
what
will
actually
happen
with
volume.
E
Okay,
thank
you
and
in
regards
to,
I
think
it
was
0.6
of
the
list
that
we'd
provided
pre
at
the
previous
committee
meeting,
which
was
the
down
to
coolangatta
that's
being
identified
as
a
multi-modal
corridor
study.
I
read
that
in
part
to
be
something
that
may
very
well
become
out
of
scope.
Do
what
do
you
think
the
chances
of
it
are
of
being
not
taken
down
to
coolangatta?
E
Like
I
mean
I,
I
think
that
it
was
clear
from
the
council's
position
last
time
that
the
city
thought
that
it
was
actually
pretty
important
to
link
cool
and
gutter,
but
do
you
think
that
it's
that
it's
something
that
may
just
get
value
engineered
out.
C
Through
you,
madam
chair,
I
don't
believe
so
all
the
discussions
that
we've
had
really
the
department
has
really
recognized
the
importance
of
cool
and
gutter,
and
this
is
also
born
by
the
interest
from
transport
for
new
south
wales,
with
their
study
from
tweed
south
through
to
coolangatta.
So
there's
a
really
good
opportunity
to
make
that
linkage
and
I've
had
no
sense
of
of
the
department,
not
considering
that
linkage.
C
But
as
some
council
o'neill
said
earlier,
the
current
concept
planning
has
gone
down
to
around
about
boyd
street
chicken,
so
we're
yet
to
see
the
bit
from
boyd
street
further
south.
But
I
would
be
very
surprised
indeed
if,
if
there
was
no
consideration
given
to
that
connection,.
F
Three-Minute
chair
just
to
add
to
that
thanks
elton
councilloran
jones
100,
it's
it's
still
on
the
table.
The
local
area,
transport
piece
of
work
we're
doing
at
coolangatta
with
the
department,
is
working
on
that
basis
as
well
that
it
is
a
fundamental
part
of
stage
four
and
then
we
are
also
as
out
and
alluded
to
looking
looking
further
south.
As
for
further
extension,
yeah.
E
Look,
I
mean,
I
suppose
my
view
is
that
it's
it's
actually
critical,
that
we
don't
fall
short,
those
last
three
or
four
kilometers
or
whatever
it
might
be,
because
I
think
it's.
It
then
becomes
the
golden
thread
that
links
all
of
the
city
from
cool
and
gutter,
all
the
way
up
to
helensvale
and
beyond
through
the
through
the
shift
in
transport,
and
it
would
be,
I
think,
disappointing
if
we
got
to
the
airport
and
it
was
like
well
that's
where
we're
at
and
come
back
and
talk
to
us
about
stage
five
in
another
20
years.
J
Thanks
chair,
I've
certainly
talked
to
everybody
that
I
could
talk
to
to
counsellor
about
it
and
getting
the
same
answer
that
they
are
looking
to
take
it
to
coolangatta.
The
other
positive
thing
I
think
is
they're
also
talking
to
tweed
about
taking
a
tweet
from
coolangatta.
So
that's
another
positive
as
well.
A
Thanks
for
that,
counselor
neil,
are
we
out
of
questions
right
and
on
this
particular
one
we're
just
noting
the
noting
the
report
and
then
looking
for
councillor,
o'neal
and
council
mcdonald
to
come
back
with
some
information
for
for
full
council
councillor
owen
jones.
E
So
I'm
happy
to
move
the
fact
that
we're
noting
it,
but
I'm
also
happy
to
note
the
fact
that,
like
I
mean
I
can
appreciate
that
the
two
divisional
counsellors
may
want
to
add
to
that
at
full
council.
So
it
may
very
well.
I
don't
know
what
they're
going
to
do
today,
but
I
think
it
makes
sense
that
we
just
noted
but
clearly
listing
some
of
those
concerns
between
now
and
council
is
important.
C
Through
you,
madam
chair
counselors,
what
we
could
do
is
once
we've
had
the
discussion
with
the
councillors.
C
We
can
submit
some
recommended
words
to
to
beef
up
the
final
recommendation
to
be
considered
a
council
if
you're
happy
with
that,
we
can
circulate
to
to
that
to
you
before
council.
I
It's
very
difficult.
Sorry,
madam
chair,
it's
very
difficult
for
to
get
a
a
definite
idea
of
what
they're
doing
along
the
gold
coast
highway
simply
because,
like
I
mentioned
to
you
before,
their
flyover
is
different
to
their
hard
copy.
We
don't
know
where
you
can
do
you
know
the
u-turns.
I
So
if
we
knew
about
what
they
were
looking
at
with
u-turns
that
that
it'd
certainly
be
a
lot
better
too.
A
And
I
think
that
comes
with
the
detailed
case
study.
That's
why
I
think
they
changed
the
name
to
the
options.
Analysis,
they're,
going
to
look
at
all
of
those
options,
bring
them
together
and
come
back,
which
is
what
they
did
with
stage
three.
They
can't
give
us
a
finished
project
until
they
actually
have
some
input
and-
and
I
found
it-
frustrating
council
macdonald.
A
I
agree
with
you
over
the
last
five
years
and
still
don't
have
a
start
date
yet
so
I
know
I
know
where
you're
coming
from,
but
it's
because
at
such
early
stages
we
did
get
certain
wins
during
the
small
wins
during
the
the
preliminary
business
case.
Study
way
back
in,
I
think
2016,
and
it's
worked
its
way
through.
I
Could
I
just
asked
a
question
with
the
u-turns:
are
there
u-turns
elsewhere
in
the
city
where
the
light
rail
is
or
or
if
they
cut
all
the
u-turns
out.