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A
To
a
transport
and
infrastructure
committee
meeting
808,
it's
904
am
we'll
make
a
start.
It's
welcome
to
all
committee
councillors,
councillor
peter
young's,
just
running
about
10
minutes
late,
but
he'll
be
joining
us
and
welcome
to
councillor
berlin,
lumsden
councillor
o'neill,
councillor
gates
and
councillor
toza.
Thank
you
for
joining
us
this
morning.
A
If
I
could
have
there's
no
leaves
of
absence.
Oh
there
you
go
councillor
peter
young's
arrived
there,
you
go
it
wasn't.
It
was
a
quick
10
minutes.
A
Okay,
if
I
could
have
someone,
there's
no
leave
of
absence,
a
confirmation
of
minutes.
If
I
could
have
someone
to
move
the
minutes
from
the
last
meeting
moved
by
councillor
patterson
seconded
by
councillor
taylor,
all
those
in
favor
that's
carried.
Did
anyone
have
any
conflicts
of
interest
declarations
before
we
kick
the
meeting
off
I'll
go
to
you,
councillor
vorster.
B
Thank
you,
madam
chair
adam,
chair
on
today's
agenda.
There
is
a
an
item
6.3
that
deals
with
the
robina
central
planning
and
transport
study
under
a
older
conflict
of
interest
regime.
I
voluntarily
in
an
abundance
of
caution,
noted
that
various
parties
linked
to
my
family
and
so
on
and
so
forth.
B
Several
degrees
removed
had
an
interest
in
the
rubina
central
planning
area
under
the
new
regime,
and
certainly
on
reflection.
I
don't
intend
making
any
declaration
whatsoever,
because
the
issues
canvassed
in
the
report
affect
a
significant
number
of
people
in
the
local
government
area
and
therefore
there's
an
exemption
that
attaches
to
our
consideration
of
the
item
and
the
projects
they're
in.
B
So
I
just
wanted
to
flag
that
with
councillors
in
case
anyone
had
a
dissenting
view,
but
I
think
when
you're
dealing
with
trunk
infrastructure
projects
you're
by
definition
dealing
with
projects
that
affect
a
significant
number
of
people
in
the
local
government
area
and
therefore
I
generally
regard
them
as
exempt
from
a
dcoi.
A
A
A
All
right
the
man
wants
to
join
us
for
item
6.4
and
point
five,
so
we'll
go
to
six
hasn't
arrived
yet
so
we'll
go
to
six
point:
two
gold
coast,
road
safety
plan,
20
21,
20
to
2026.
C
Thank
you
chair,
so
I
just
had
a
question
and
I've
got
a
couple
of
questions,
but
the
first
one
is
just
in
regards
to
serious
injuries,
if
any,
if
any
that
we
know
about
in
regards
to
the
public
transport
use
of
the
city,
so
specifically
both
light
rail
and
bus.
Whether
or
not
there
are
any
figures
in
that
space.
D
Through
you,
madam
chair,
what
we
do
know
is
a
very
low
injury
and
accident
rate
on
public
transport,
so
compared
to
the
other
modes,
they
are
regarded
as
probably
being
the
safest
forms
of
transport
generally
and
has
been
borne
out
in
what
we
know
from
the
data
for
the
city.
C
Two,
I
think,
particularly
with
light
rail.
It
impresses
me
that
that
is
the
case,
given
the
the
size
of
the
light
rail
and
the
proximity
to
pedestrians
in
our
tourist
hub.
So
I
think
it's
something
that
we
should
actually
emphasize
as
a
as
a
positive
outcome.
So
and
so,
whilst
it's
a
road
safety
plan,
clearly
road
safety
is
about.
In
my
my
view
that
model
shift
as
well
so
the
more
we
can
encourage
people
and
public
transport,
the
better
we
will
be.
C
I
had
a
broad
question.
It
would
appear
to
me
that
the
majority
of
fatalities
in
the
gold
coast,
local
government
area,
are
on
state
controlled
roads,
and
I
was
particularly
interested
is
if
whether
or
not
the
state
has
looked
at
doing
anything
in
terms
of
formalizing,
maybe
with
agreement
of
the
family
markers
on
the
sides
of
roads
to
actually
help
indicate
to
the
road
users,
where
fatalities
or
serious
incidents
may
have
happened.
D
E
Thanks
alan
three,
madam
chair,
thank
you
councillor.
The
we
can
certainly
ask
the
question.
We've
got
a
quarterly
road
safety
partnership
group
next
week
councillor
so
I
know
over
the
years
they've
evolved
their
policy
stance
around
roadside
markers
in
memoriam
or
other
whether
it
like.
I
said
it's
pretty
timely,
that
we
asked
the
local
district
office
around
their
current
policy
in
the
space
and
see
whether
we
can
do
something
that
that
helps
advocate
for
safer
use
of
the
road
system.
If
that's
the
case.
C
A
maybe
a
marker
of
some
description
actually
on
the
road
and
whether
or
not
it
was
would
only
be
for
a
short
period
of
time,
but
it
would
help
emphasize
where
accidents
had
occurred,
because
I
think
whether
or
not
it's
on
the
gold
coast
or
queensland.
Clearly
something
different
needs
to
be
done
and
what's
been
done
and
I
think
the
the
numbers
in
queensland
aren't
coming
down
significantly
either.
So
to
me
it's
what
could
we
potentially
do
differently?
C
That
would
help
emphasize
on
the
network
and
there's
no
point
in
us
just
doing
it
on
roads
that
we
control,
because
I'm
assuming
that
what's
the
torum,
so
we'd
need
to
do
something
in
conjunction
with
the
state,
but
I
think
it'd
be
worth
while
exploring
and
then
my
final
question
was
just
in
regards
to
traffic
calming.
So
I
think
there
was
an
imprint
that
we
would
be
looking
at
traffic
calming.
But
what
were
we
to
do
in
that
space?.
E
Three,
madam
chair,
so
councils,
one
of
the
year,
one
actions
is
to
review
our
local
area
traffic
management
policy,
whether
with
a
view
to
make
sure
that
we
are
2021
22
best
practice,
not
only
with
the
technical
proposals,
but
also
with
the
level
of
customer
service
that
we
provide
to
those
residents
or
visitors
to
the
area
that
we
make
sure
that
there's
a
communication,
that's
very
clear
into
why
we
do
or
we
do
not
do
certain
types
of
traffic
calming
or
local
air
traffic
management
intervention.
C
Traffic
calming
speed
bumps
is
effectively
in
suburban
roads
or
chicanes
or.
E
All
of
the
above
so
basically
the
task
that
I've
set,
the
the
team
is
to
look
laterally
around
what
is
best
practice
nationally,
certainly,
and
we
need
to
respect
the
state
jurisdictional
legislation
as
you
just
cross
referenced
before,
but
make
sure
that
we
are
at
least
doing
what
is
considered
current
best
practice
in
relation
to
road
safety
and
the
contribution
of
traffic
calming
to
a
safe
to
road
environment
in
those
lower
order.
Streets.
C
Yeah
because
I
think
my
experience
with
when
somebody
asks
you
to
do
traffic
calming
or
put
in
speed
bumps
it's
you
know,
my
default
answer
is
that
we've
got
a
policy
that
says
that
we
don't
do
it
because
they're
really
noisy.
But
it's
seen
as
the
first
thing
that
people
want
to
suggest,
and
it's
probably
the
last
thing
that
people
want
to
see
installed
because
they're
incredibly
noisy.
A
B
Thanks,
madam
chair,
like
counseling
jones,
just
a
few
questions
so
the
so
the
plan
clearly
attempts
to
rely
on
evidence
to
track
performance
over
time
and
the
success
of
the
initiatives
with
a
focus
on
injury
and
fatality,
as
we've
established
in
earlier
meetings,
there's
a
significant
lag
in
the
data
and
we've
we've
talked
a
little
bit
about
engaging
with
the
gold
coast
university
hospital
to
try
and
use
some
of
the
data
that
they
collect
about
incoming
patients,
because
we
know
for
a
fact
that
they
collect
information
about
where
injuries
are
required.
E
Major
chair
in
short,
council
foster.
Yes,
we
have
and
we
have
a
regular.
We,
our
line
of
communication
is
via
queens
and
health,
and
certainly
queensland.
Health
are
a
partner
on
a
lot
of
our
transport
initiatives,
particularly
in
the
sustainable
and
safe
space.
We've
made
a
lot
of
progress
in
the
last
number
of
years
with
the
first
iteration
of
the
road
safety
plan.
E
I
believe-
and
I
commit
to
you
that
we
still
still
think
there's
progress
to
be
made
in
that
space,
and
certainly
the
the
access
to
meaningful
and
current
and
and
accurate
data
is
a
big
still
a
big
drive,
and
I
think
you'll
see
that
emanating
through
a
lot
of
the
communication
we
have
around
the
current
transport
projects
and
programs.
We
have.
We
want
to
be
highly
evidence
driven.
B
Yeah
so
madame
chow,
I
I'll
reflect
on
this
between
now
and
full
council,
but
I
would
really
like
to
at
least
from
a
council
point
of
view
formalize
that
approach
with
queensland
health,
because
when
it
comes
time
to
nominating
black
spot
projects,
for
example,
it
would
be
great
to
understand,
based
on
the
how
to
put
it
on
the
the
human
cost
over
time
of
incidents
at
specific
locations.
If
we
can
quantify
it,
then
we're
probably
in
a
better
position
to
nominate
projects
that
will
do
the
most
good
for
the
most
number.
B
B
B
I
think
we've
all
established
that
most
of
the
time
they
cause
more
amenity
issues
than
they
solve,
but,
as
I've
said
in
two
meetings
now
concerning
the
road
safety
plan,
I
believe
that
there
is
a
role
for
temporary
speed,
humps
the
likes
that
we
have
in
our
community
center
car
parks
and
that
I've
seen
on
roads.
I
think
there's
a
place
for
that
in
streets
as
a
tactical
measure
to
demonstrate
to
our
communities
the
case
for
the
case
against
this
form
of
traffic
calming.
B
E
Three,
madam
chair
council
of
also
thank
you.
It
is
a
selling
point,
and
certainly,
as
part
of
our
best
practice
review
of
local
area
traffic
management.
The
application
of
temporary
treatments
will
be
a
consideration
there
to
ensure
that
we
aren't
inadvertently
inducing
any
any
different
road
safety
issues
by
the
temporary
implementation
of
measures
which
can
sometimes
catch
regular
users
of
rose
off
guard.
B
B
Now
that
may
be
codified
somewhere
in
some
standards,
I'm
certain
it
must
be
because
city
offices
pointed
to
that,
but
that's
an
example
of
a
very
reasonable
suggestion
put
forward
by
a
community
through
consultation,
and
I'm
just
concerned
that
if
we
adopt
a
road
safety
plan
and
all
of
these
things
that
bind
us
to
a
course
of
action,
it'll
become
increasingly
difficult
for
us
to
meet
community
expectation
on
small,
reasonable
things.
So
matt
I'm
happy
to
provide
you
with
a
copy
of
that
cr.
So
you
can.
You
know.
B
Yeah,
so
I'd
anyway,
I
I
I
just
want
to
use
that
as
an
example
to
say
that
sometimes
the
community
are
prepared
for
a
trade-off
and
when
it's
a
local
road,
when
we're
dealing
with
local
traffic
and
people
can
become
quickly
accustomed
to
new
driving
conditions.
We
shouldn't
put
the
blinkers
on
excuse
the
fun.
D
Council
of
also
can
I
just
provide
some
assurance
to
you
and
the
other
councils
in
examples
like
that.
We
are
very
happy
to
review
that
advice
and
to
put
a
lens
of
practicality
on
the
advice
that's
been
received.
I
think
what
matters
alluded
to
earlier.
Sorry
not
alluded
to
directly
referred
to
a
review
of
contemporaneous
practice
around
local
era.
Traffic
management
applications
will
include
things
like
that.
So
what
we
are
focused
on
are
outcomes
that
are
both
technically
acceptable
and
are
acceptable
to
the
community.
So
you
have
our
commitment.
That's.
That
is
our
aim.
B
That,
madam
chair,
through
you
to
the
director,
thanks
for
that
assurance
and
just
lastly
on
page
98-
oh
sorry,
not
98,
it's
page
96.
We
look
at
action
item
2.7.
B
B
And
yet,
when
city
officers
carry
out
a
safety
assessment,
sorry
in
a
pedestrian
movement
assessment,
they
said:
oh,
it's
unjustifiable,
because
volumes
are
too
low.
So
I
just
want
to
flag
that
when
we
look
at
an
evidence-based
approach
to
the
merits
of
a
crossing,
I
don't
think
it's
appropriate
to
look
solely
at
the
number
of
pedestrian
movements
and
there
must
be
some
framework-
that's
easily
understood
by
councillors
in
the
community
to
understand
what
benefits
might
flow
or
what
volumes
we
may
see
across
that
road
if
there
was
a
safe
way
for
people
to
traverse
it.
D
Madam
chair,
we're
certainly
aware
of
the
concern
and
look:
there's
the
old
adage
build
it
and
they
shall
come
so.
We
know
that
applies
in
a
lot
of
instances,
but
you
can
go
overboard
and
the
same
thing
in.
Unfortunately,
history
is
littered
of
examples
where
things
have
been
built
and
people
haven't
come.
So
it
is
it's
somewhat
of
a
science
on
the
evidential
base
and
somewhat
of
an
art
in
understanding
what
the
outcomes
will
be
achieved.
E
So
do
you
want
to
just
add
three
main
chair
council
forces
you
allude
to
wonderfully?
There
are
certain
standards
that
we
refer
to
in
the
traffic
management
worlds.
There
are
very
black
and
white
standards
that
we
would
be.
It
would
be
foolish
of
us
to
depart
from.
There
are
other
standards
that
are
a
bit
gray,
where
we
look
for
solution,
focus.
E
If
we
can
find
the
solution
using
using
the
stands
to
our
advantage,
the
one
you're
referring
to
around
induced
demand
at
pedestrian
crossings
is
actually
forms
part
of
our
os
roads
guidelines.
So
there
is
some
flexibility
there.
Just
like
we
do.
When
we
prioritize
active
transport
projects,
we
look
for
induced
demand.
We
look
for
the
outcomes
that
we're
trying
to
achieve
to
get
people
to
use
these
facilities
on
the
basis
that
it's
an
unmet
need
at
the
moment.
E
F
Thank
you
through
your
chair
to
the
director
the
biggest
two
of
the
biggest
concerns
of
road
safety.
In
my
division,
I
have
one
is
kotlu
karamura,
so
we're
spending
15
million,
making
sure
that
kotlu
is
safe
and
suitable
for
the
future.
F
But,
as
you
know,
at
the
end
of
that,
we
have
the
intersection
kotlou
currenborough,
which
is
the
state
road,
and
I
know
that
you
have
made
the
case
to
the
state
government
about
why
it's
so
important
that
that
intersection
gets
upgraded
yet
they're
not
coming
to
the
party,
even
though
we
see
that
as
possibly
the
greatest
risk
in
that
area,
I've
also
got
the
concern
on
kula
bar
lillypilly,
where
our
officers
spent
significant
investment
to
do
the
plans
to
put
it
in
for
the
black
spot
funding.
F
D
Through
you,
madam
chair,
I
don't
believe,
we've
entirely
exhausted
it.
So
what
we've
successfully
applied
with
the
state
in
the
past
is
we
don't
go
away,
so
we
continue
to
agitate.
We
continue
to
gather
evidence.
D
It's
a
compelling
case,
as
you've
noted
the
amount
of
investment
that
we've
put
in
kotlou
street
to
then
turn
around
to
the
state.
So
we've
absolutely
done
our
task
here,
and
this
is
what
you
need
to
do.
So
our
investment
schedule,
our
evidence,
gathering
our
planning.
D
We
we
continually
go
back
to
the
state
with
a
compelling
case,
and
I
I
think
it
gets
more
compelling
over
time
and
eventually
you
know,
we've
been
successful
in
many
many
cases
in
the
past.
So
I'm
again
optimistic
that
you
know
those
matters
on
the
state
network
will
be
attended
to.
But
there's
a
as
it's
been
said
here
already
this
morning.
D
There
are
a
lot
of
state
control
roads
in
the
city
and
there
are
a
lot
of
issues
on
them
so
part
of
matt,
and
I
our
role
is
to
to
meet
with
the
state
and
to
make
them
aware
of
exactly
what
those
issues
are
and
not
doing
their
job
for
them.
But
to
offer
them
here
is
a
very
good
opportunity
that
you
should
really
invest
in
because
here's
the
payoff,
so
all
I
can
say
to
you
and
the
community-
is
that
we
will
continue
that
fight
for
advocacy
for
those
really
important
projects.
D
What
I
can
suggest,
in
addition,
is
yourself
as
as
the
local
elected
rep
and
other
community
members
who
feel
similarly
to
petition
the
state
directly,
and
you
know
let
the
local
regional
director
know
of
your
concerns,
which
will
support
our
approaches.
F
Thanks,
madam
chair,
I'm
just
wondering
if
you've
been
able
to
gauge
the
success
of
reducing
speed
from
50
to
40
in
some
local
roads.
I
just
want
to
draw
your
attention
to
pacific
parade
in
balinga,
for
instance,
I'm
getting
more
complaints
about
speeding
in
that
road
since
we
reduced
it
to
40.
I
don't
know
whether
that's
just
you
know
someone
not
really
aware
of
there's
been
a
reduction.
F
We
also
have
a
lot
more
cars
on
the
road
at
the
moment,
because
the
gold
coast
highway
is
pushing
traffic
onto
our
local
road
system
golden
four
and
pacific
parade
because
of
the
the
heavy
vehicle
checkpoint
there.
But
but
we've
done
every
in
that
pacific
parade
we've
actually
done
more
to
make
people
aware
of
the
lower
speed
limit
than
anywhere
else.
In
my
division,
like
we've
painted
different
colors
at
each
end
of
that
road,
we've
actually
done
on-road
pavement.
F
E
Three
million
chair
council
o'neill.
Thank
you
for
the
question
in
generic
answer
is
yes,
we
do
monitor
these
things.
We
do
collect
a
whole
lot
of
data
around
the
performance
of
the
the
network.
I'll
have
to
take
the
question
of
notice
around
specifically
around
pacific
parade.
D
G
Thank
you
and
through
the
chair,
I
just
want
to
talk
a
bit
about
the
emerging
mobile
mobility
modes.
That's
around
the
city
and
I'm
constantly
getting
a
lot
of
emails
and
concerns
from
residents.
Obviously,
at
the
moment
we're
doing
covert.
So
I
don't
think
the
impact
has
been
as
great,
but
is
there
any
way
of
getting
any
statistics
of
what
incidents
we
do
have
in
these
particular
areas
around?
You
know,
accidents,
incidents
and
also.
G
I
know
you
mentioned
the
report
that
it's
it's
an
emerging
scenario,
but
I'm
hearing
a
lot
of
stories
about
incidents,
but
is
there
any
way
of
starting
to
get
some
more
statistics
to
understand?
Is
there
much
incidents
that
cause
what
type
of
injuries
and
to
what
levels?
Because
we
are
getting?
You
know
a
lot
busier
and
a
lot
more
with
this.
A
Type
of
motor
counselor
with
all
modes
we're.
G
G
Bikes,
skateboards
is,
and
and
with
all
our
ocean
ways
it's
become
a
more
popular
form
of
mode
and
we're
getting
a
lot
of
concerns
from
residents
on
our
active
transports
that
a
lot
of
these
types
of
modes
are,
you
know,
causing
concerns
out
there.
So.
G
E
Three,
madam
chair,
thank
you
councillor,
taylor.
So,
in
short,
the
answer
will
be.
Yes,
we
are
getting
better
and
more
mature
in
that
in
that
data
inventory,
because
it's
an
emerging
there
are
emerging
modes.
The
data
itself
is
less
mature
than
what
you
might
have
in
more
traditional
transport
modes,
but
it's
a
an
emerging
area
of
intelligence
that
we
are
becoming
more
aware
of
we're
collecting
a
whole
lot
of
data
ourselves
right
now,
as
part
of
our
year
one's
shared
path
initiative,
we've
got
a
lot
of
data
collection
underway
right
now.
E
Some
of
that's
around
speeds
moves
around
you,
someone's
around
classification
of
use
that
will
help
help
inform
an
intention
to
have
a
bespoke
road
safety
campaign
or
intervention
around
the
use
of
the
shared
paths
in
the
city,
particularly
the
coastal
corridor,
based
on
intelligence
that
we've
gathered
over
this
time.
The
other
delivery
partners
of
road
safety,
the
qps,
don't
have
as
much
of
a
role
in
the
shared
paths.
Our
friends
in
tmr
do
as
well
because
of
their
active
transport
policies,
but
certainly
the
more
intelligence
we
can
gather.
E
H
I
have
a
question
about
u-turn,
signage.
I
understand
the
constraints
of
the
manual
of
uniform
traffic
control
devices,
but
I've
had
several
requests
at
one
location
for
a
no
u-turn,
permitted
sign
and
every
time
I've
requested
it's
been
rejected,
and
yet
I
see
on
olsen
avenue
near
crestwood.
There
is
a
no
u-turn
sign
at
that
intersection
and
I'm
just
wondering
why
it's
okay
in
some
scenarios
and
not
in
others
where
there
is
an
accident
history
where
people
I
mean
you
put
the
u-turn
permitted
signage
in
and
the
advice
I've
had.
H
E
So
many
chair,
you
correct
councillor,
dates
in
in
suggesting
that
usually
usually
the
vast
majority
of
times
the
sony's
is
applied
when
it
contradicts
the
road
rules.
So
I
can
say
that
there
have
been
departures
from
this
we've
seen
it
along
the
light
rail
stage,
one
corridor
where
we
were
able
to
put
in
a
hot
that
was
the
city's
lead
intervention
there
to
remind
people
that
they
weren't
to
do
u-turns
across
the
tracks
at
signalized
intersections.
So
it
was
a
complementary
sign
to
reiterate
road
rules
that
did
apply
so
that
can
be.
E
Can
I
say,
by
exception
some
departures
from
the
road
rules
and
the
way
in
which
the
team
are
governed,
the
use
of
the
mutcd.
So
I'm
not
aware
of
the
cr
that
you're
referring
to
personally.
So
I
might
have
a
look
into
that
further
on
your
behalf
and
see
whether
there
is
a
precedent
that
we
can
call
upon
to
get
a
good
outcome.
I
Thank
you
chair,
there's
a
few
things.
I'd
like
to
raise
or
question
one
is
about
education
and
on
page
67
we
see
a
good
summary
or
a
couple
of
good
examples
of
education
that
is
able
to
be
provided
and
supported
by
the
city.
So
I
wonder
if
what
the
action
that
items
are
in
particular
regard
to
that,
because
that
to
me
is
pretty
low-hanging
fruit
and
we
could
be
investing
in
a
big
program
of
pushing
that
into
the
schools
and
that's
going
to
help
us
a
lot
into
the
future.
D
Through
you,
madam
chair,
thank
you
for
the
question
councillor
young.
So
it's
a
fundamental
part
of
the
council's
existing
active
school
travel
program.
So
we
push
road
safety
through
that
program
very,
very
strongly
outside
of
that
program.
What
we're
looking
at
is,
as
shown
here
in
the
example
on
page
67.
These
sorts
of
initiatives-
this
particular
one
is-
is
a
local
initiative
and
trying
to
to
partner
with
those
providers
to
push
us
out
a
little
bit
further.
I
Secondly,
about
our
speed
awareness
devices,
the
smiley
signs-
I
I
like
to
rely
upon
them.
I
think
they're,
a
good
initiative
and
they're
welcomed
by
the
community,
but
our
data
is
perhaps
a
little
bit
lacking.
Is
there
the
capacity
to
for
us
to
retrofit
these
devices
with
cameras
to
provide
further
information
to
the
police,
rather
than
just
the
statistical
data?
That's
captured.
D
Through
you,
madam
chair,
we
are
investigating
this
technology.
It
has.
It
has
grown
since
and
changed
since
we
bought
the
the
devices
and
installed
them
on
the
network.
So
there
and
new
devices
which
are
more
capable,
who
read,
for
example,
multiple
lanes
and
have,
I
guess,
a
better
data
output.
So
it's
something
we're
currently
investigating.
I
I
And
it's
impossible
to
meet
that
demand,
and
it's
often
undesirable.
As
has
been
pointed
out,
these
local
air
traffic
management
features
often
bring
unwanted
side
effects,
but
the
biggest
one
of
the
biggest
things
in
my
point
of
view
as
a
divisional
counselor,
is
lack
of
funds
to
be
able
to
put
into
those
they're
very
expensive.
I
J
So
we
saw
yesterday
the
news
that
they
paid
74
million
dollars
to
resume
property,
74
million
dollars
which,
if
you
spread
that
out
across
10
or
15
or
20
intersections,
would
make
a
huge
difference
to
the
road
network
and
that's
the
magnitude
of
what
we're
requiring
from
them.
So
when
we
have
five
million
dollars
set
aside
for
the
pine
ridge,
road
brisbane
road
intersection-
and
it
sits
there
year
on
year
because
we're
waiting
for
the
state
to
stump
up,
it's
very,
very
frustrating,
and
so
I
don't
think
council
patterson's
comments
were
limited.
J
J
So
the
state
needs
to
again
get
on
board
with
making
sure
roads
like
oxley
drive
act
as
a
proper,
state-controlled,
major
thoroughfare,
clear
out.
The
roundabouts
like
at
lay
drive
and
oxley
and
then
increase
the
speed
limit
so
that
there
is
actually
an
incentive
for
people
to
be
on
the
proper
road
network,
where
they're
supposed
to
be
traveling
long
distances.
J
That
then
takes
pressure
off
our
local
roads
like
columbus
and
jacaranda,
where
everyone
starts
zipping
through
the
back
streets
of
hollywood
and
runway
bay
in
order
to
get
off
a
very
frustratingly
slow
state
right.
So
speed
reductions
are
not
always
the
answer,
because
in
the
end,
people
want
to
have
an
option
where
the
primary
pathway,
which
should
be
the
state
roads,
are
faster
and
carry
more
traffic
and
get
them
longer
distances
from
a
to
b
in
a
better
travel
environment
than
what
we
can
and
should
be
providing
them
on
what
are
essentially
small
residential
straits.
E
Tim
three
medium
chair:
do
you
mind
a
couple
of
fantastic
comments?
There
counselor
call?
Well,
we
can
I
just
deal
with
them
one
time
the
first
one.
I've
got
a
live
example,
and
I
can
cite
a
number
of
live
examples
where
we
have
generators
the
city.
We
have
generated
an
investigation
into
where
a
local
road
intersects
with
the
state
road,
where
the
state,
because
of
the
evidence
base
we
have
provided
to
them.
The
state
have
had
to
act
upon
that
and
they've
injected
that
into
their
q-tip
program.
E
The
scale
of
those
projects
that
you
might
be
referring
to.
I'm
not
talking
about
the
major,
the
major
intersection,
I'm
talking
about,
probably
the
small
to
mid-level
intersections.
They
can
act
reasonably
quick
on
there
based
on
evidence
now
the
evidence.
I
can't
cite
the
example
in
open
session
because
it's
still
going
through
their
planning
process,
but
it
is
one
where
they
had
no
intention
to
intervene
at
all.
We
collected
data.
E
We
did
a
fair
bit
of
background
work
to
a
point
where
they
have
now
injected
into
their
q-trip
program
with
the
intention
of
intervening
in
the
next
couple
of
years.
So
there
are
examples
of
that
that
we
can
act.
We
can
help
advocate
on
the
city's
behalf,
based
on
again
intelligence
that
we
collect
and
analyze
ourselves
and
present
through
the
governances
that
we've
got
in
place.
So
we
do
have
some
live
examples
of
those
and.
J
It's
not
quite
the
same,
but
it
goes
to
the
point
that
council
of
worcester
makes
over
and
over
and
over
again,
and
that
is
that
we
need
to
have
effectively
shovel
ready
identified
projects
so
that
when
the
state
comes
to
us
and
says
okay,
we
want
to
generate
jobs
or
we
want
to
generate
improvements
in
the
road
network.
We
can
go
to
them
and
say
here's
our
list
of
the
top
10
intersections
that
you
can
intervene
on
between
yatla
and
kulingata,
and
you
will
make
a
difference.
J
So
yes,
if
it's
evidence
that
persuades
them
great
but
in
the
end
there's
always
such
a
lag
in
the
evidence,
the
the
data
is
slow.
I
don't
necessarily
think
it's
all
captured
and
you
know
whatever
it
takes
to
get
the
cases
built
to
try
to
make
them
as
compelling
as
we
can.
I
support
yeah.
K
Thanks
counseling,
so
the
first
thing
I
want
to
just
reiterate:
council
voices
view
about
this
idea
of
volume
driven
decision
making.
It's
real.
K
It's
a
real
struggle
to
balance
that
when
we're
arguing
with
officers-
and
I
think
this
road
safety
plan-
probably
acknowledges
that,
to
some
extent
that
you
know
we
do
need
to
be
aspirational
in
the
the
improvements
that
we
make
to
the
road
network
and
for
pedestrian
benefit,
and
I
probably
say
that,
in
the
context
of
in
my
division
of
40
000
people,
every
single
high
school
student
goes
to
two
precincts,
one
in
robina
and
then
one
in
reedy
creek
for
the
private
schools.
K
So
all
saints
robina
state
high
are
the
two
primary
you
know:
high
school
destinations
or
the
the
collection
of
ready,
creek
based
private
schools,
they
all
or
every
single
high
school
student.
Pretty
much
goes
to
one
of
those
two
locations
for
high
school
and
at
the
moment
there
really
isn't
much
incentive
for
them
to
do
anything
other
than
getting
a
car
to
do
so
because
we're
you
know,
there's
not
there's
no,
there's
not
enough
mechanisms
to
necessarily
cross
that
state
road
network.
K
K
Recently
I
contacted
a
council
officer
to
ask
about
a
program
that
you
and
I
had
spoken
at
alton
the
the
idea
that
the
private
school
bus
routes
which
mitigate
you
know
more
cars
on
the
road,
and
these
are
affluent
families
or
more
affluent
families
generally
who
are
sending
their
kids
to
private
school.
K
They
all
the
schools
have
invested
in
bus
programs
and
the
bus
stops
that
they
utilize
are
outside
the
translink
network
and
there
isn't
a
program
for
us
to
deliver
infrastructure.
The
most
recent
response
was
just
this
past
week,
where
it
was
like.
Look
there
isn't
a
program,
it's
not
a
translating
group.
You
know,
there's
no
program
suitable.
It
means
I
think
it
would
be
a
really
good
initiative
for
us
to
come
up
with
a
pool
of
funding
that
can
augment.
K
Bus
stop
infrastructure
on
private
school
bus
route
programs
outside
the
translink
network.
I
think,
honestly,
I
think
the
state
should
pay
for
it
or
the
education
department
should
pay
for
it.
You
know
these
are.
These
are
school
students.
They
are
high
school
students
that
are
currently
jumping
in
their
suvs,
either
as
peepladers
or
with
their
mum,
or
that,
instead
of
catching
the
public
bus,
because
there
is
actually
no
place
to
shelter
when
it's
rainy
or
honestly
on
the
gold
coast,
mostly
too
sunny,
so
it
rain,
isn't
the
issue
as
much.
K
It
is
a
really
hot
morning,
it's
in
the
middle
of
summer.
The
last
thing
we
want
to
do
is
wait.
15
minutes
in
the
sunshine,
for
a
bus
or
10
minutes
in
the
sunshine,
for
a
bus
and
get
hot
and
sweaty.
These
are
14
to
17
year
old,
young
men
and
women
and
honestly
they
don't
want
to
be
sweaty
or
wait
in
the
sunshine
like
that.
K
They
don't
want
to
be
that
and
honestly,
if
they're
boys,
they
probably
don't,
we
don't
want
that
either
they're
stinky
if
they
wait
in
the
sun
too
long,
so
bus
stop
infrastructure.
I
just
I
suppose
I
wanted
to
re-emphasize
that
under
that
3.5
action
it
would
be
really
good
if
there
isn't
another,
better
bus,
stop
infrastructure
action
on
private
school
bus
routes.
K
We
must
come
up
with
a
plan
to
deliver
that
at
the
moment,
your
officers
don't
have
the
policy
framework
or
funding
pool
to
recommend
to
to
our
community
feedback
in
a
cr
to
allocate
funding
to
it.
In
fact,
the
response
from
this
council
officer
wazim
is
almost
it's
not
supported
by
officers.
Even
from
local
area
works
funding.
Now
it
wasn't
explicitly
stated
like
that,
but
that
was
the
loose
program.
K
There
isn't
a
program
to
support
this
action
and
it
needs
to
if
we're
serious,
about
lowering
congestion
around
our
schools
and
in
the
case
of
division
nine.
There
are
only
two
state
interchanges
at
exit,
79
and
x82.
All
of
the
traffic
infrastructure
traffic
volumes
go
through
those
two
and
it
just
creates
congestion
every
single
morning,
because
there
isn't
enough
use
of
public
bus
infrastructure,
so
3.5
needs
to
incorporate
bus
stops.
The
other
two
questions
I
had
relate
to
actions
3.6,
sorry,.
A
I'll
just
go
to
it.
Is
it
a
life
counselor.
H
Just
while
we're
on
that,
I
think
we
need
to
show
a
degree
of
caution
because,
when
you've
been
around
as
long
as
me,
you'll
recognise
that
students
at
the
end
of
their
education
move
on
and
they
stop
catching
the
bus
full
stop.
So
I
know
there's
been
a
reluctance
in
the
north
of
the
city
to
install
school
bus,
shelters
and
stops.
H
It's
been
more
of
a
hail
situation,
because
it's
a
very
costly
exercise
in
terms
of
making
them
disability
compliant
and
that
they
change
all
the
time
and
kids
grow
up
and
they
stop
getting
the
bus.
And
so
it's
one
of
those
situations
where
it's
a
a
moving
feast,
if
you
like,
and
we
have
limited
funds
to
spend
so
we
need
to
be
really
cautious
about
where
they're
allocated.
K
In
response
to
that,
I'm
not
aware
of
any
schools
in
our
city
that
have
closed
in
the
last.
For
as
long
as
I've
been
around
20
years,
I
don't
know
any
schools
that
have
actually
closed
the
reality.
Is
those
schools
a
hundred
year
200
year
pieces
of
infrastructure?
They
will
always
be
there
and
even
when
the
students
graduate
there
is
another
influx
of
students
that
come
behind
them.
So.
H
Counsellor,
I'm
not
referring
to
the
schools,
I'm
referring
to
the
communities
where
people
live
and
their
use
of
the
transport
system
changes
because
they
grow
up
and
they
get
a
car
or
they
go
to
work.
And
so
I'm
talking
about
infrastructure
in
suburbs
to
get
students
to
and
from
school
at
bus
stops,
and
I
thought
that
was
the
aim
of
your
debate-
that
you
were
wanting
to
see
more
shelters
so
that
students
who
wish
to
get
onto
the
bus
system
could
get
the
bus
and
be
protected
from
the
sun.
H
I'm
simply
making
the
point
that
suburbs
change
in
time
when
families
grow.
K
All
of
those,
if
there
isn't
infrastructure
available
for
those
students
to
attend
another
location
or
to
accommodate
new
people
moving
into
the
area,
because
there
is
a
transition
of
people,
yeah
we're
actually
just
gonna.
All
the
work
that
we've
done
at
primary
school
aged
children
is
not
going
to
translate
into
high
school
aged
children.
So.
K
I
don't
want
to
just
disregard
what
what
counselor
gates
is
saying
what
I
suppose,
what
I
am
trying
to
say
is
that
that's
not
my
observation
in
my
area
and
I
think
those
schools
are
going
to
be
there
for
100
years
and
even
though
those
pro
those
high
school
age,
students
do
go
up
and
get
their
own
cars
and
do
their
own
thing.
There's
new
families
that
move
in
all
the
time,
because
the
school
infrastructure
is
not
going
to
change
it's
going
to
be
there
for
a
hundred
years.
D
Through
you,
madam
chair
from
what
we
we
know
councillor
toaster
around
last
time,
we
had
a
good
look,
which
was
a
couple
of
years
ago.
Admittedly,
around
school
transport
is
the
majority
in
the
city.
The
majority
of
students
using
the
school
bus
network
do
utilize
the
translink
network.
Now,
what
we're
talking
about
in
your
example
is
a
more
marginal
position
where
those
private
school
stops
are
outside
of
the
translink
network.
Part
of
the
approach
at
matanya
have
been
continuing
to
take
with
translink
is
to
advocate
for
expansion
of
that
network.
D
Now,
if
that
network
then
becomes
a
public
transport
service,
then
the
obligation
is
in
on
translink
to
uplift
in
conjunction
with
the
city,
uplift,
the
stop
infrastructure
and,
as
we
know,
if
we
want
more
people
on
public
transport,
the
network
has
to
increase
in
its
size,
which
is
something
that
we're
already
advocating.
So
you
know,
I
think
that
is.
Our
focus
is
to
continue
to
work
with
transinc,
to
get
that
network
expanded
and,
and
that
will
cover
what
already
covers
most
of
the
school
transport.
K
Yeah
yeah-
and
I
I
get
what
you're
saying
and
I'm
I'm
not
even
trying
to
suggest
necessarily
that
the
whole
of
city
should
provide
funding
for
this
pool.
It
might
be
a
unique
problem
that
is
in
in
my
division,
because
there
are
six
private
schools
all
within
a
very
short
couple
of
kilometers,
and
that
could
be
just
a
that
could
be
just
a
unique
geographical
issue
that
I'm
facing.
K
But
at
the
moment
council
officers
are
coming
back
to
me
saying
that
even
a
traffic
engineer
or
officer
traffic
officer
is
suggesting
well
that
that
investment
is
not
even
supported
necessarily
from
a
local
area
works
perspective.
I'd
prefer
to
be
able
to
have
an
officer
say:
look,
we
can't
fund
it
from
whole
of
city,
but
we're
actually
supporting
you
in
your
unique
local
knowledge.
K
K
Calming
is
likely
to
be
easier
to
deliver
or
harder
to
deliver
in
in
my
division
again
with
lots
of
young
families,
lots
of
primary
schools,
lots
of
child
care
centers
and
a
centralized
traffic
movement
traffic
calming
has
been
very
effective
and
the
impact
the
noise
impacts
have
frankly
been
overlooked,
because
cars
are
actually
traveling
slower
and
people
feel
more
safe.
E
Three-Minute
chair,
thank
you.
Councillor
ties
like
I
said
before
the
the
intention
for
this
action
this
year.
One
action
of
the
plan
is
to
make
sure
that
our
policy
setting,
which
is
which
we've
validated
within
the
last
12
months
as
we
do
with
all
of
our
policies,
is
still
fit
for
purpose.
It's
a
case
of
is
it.
E
Is
it
best
practice
now
the
focus
there
is
to
make
sure
that
if
we
do
proceed
with
an
latm
scheme
that
it's
the
right
type
and
in
the
right
location
and
delivered
in
a
timely
manner,
so
it's
just
to
make
sure
that
we
are
checking
out
doing
an
environmental
scan
for
one
of
a
better
phrase
to
make
sure
that
we
are
investigating
all
of
the
more
contemporary
techniques,
not
only
for
the
the
actual
overlap
we
do
have
an
overlay,
but
also
the
method
by
which
we
investigate
the
applicability
of
that
overlay
to
that
specific
geographic
location.
E
So
it
may
result
in
application
in
certain
areas
more
readily,
for
example,
but
it
may
also
say
in
certain
areas:
latm
overlay
is
not
best
practice
and
it
might
be
another
intervention.
That's
required
to
manage
speed.
The
speed
environment
or
the
behavior
of
vehicles
in
that
particular
street.
K
Okay,
so
it's
definitely
a
case-by-case
approach.
We're
taking
that's
good,
I
think
yeah,
my
feedback
there
is
that
traffic
coming
works
around
schools
and
sporting
fields,
even
when
there's
trunk
infrastructure,
that
is
the
roads,
are
designed
to
move
lots
of
cars
in
a
direction
I
just
around
the
school
primary
school.
Particular
everyone
needs
to
slow
down.
The
last
question
I
have
it
relates
to
3.7318,
which
is
the
hinterland
actions.
One
talks
about
develop
and
install
engineering
measures
to
reduce
injury
severity
at
priority
hinterland
locations,
including
those
susceptible
to
natural
environment
hazards.
K
It
says
that
where
or
I'm
reading
here
that
we're
the
lead
on
that,
I'm
a
bit
confused
by
that
in
the
in
that
the
hinterland
is
primarily
this
state
road
network,
and
I
don't
really
know
what
sort
of
engineering
measures
we
might
deliver
on
on
the
state
road
network
to
deal
with
that
as
the
lead
agent.
I
can't
think
of
a
large
road
that
is
owned
by
the
council
in
the
at
least
the
western
hinterland.
E
E
We
can
still
advocate,
on
behalf
of
the
residents
and
users
of
those
roads,
to
make
sure
that
the
state
is
aware
of
emerging
safety
issues
and
certainly
undertaking
best
practice
in
relation
to
having
a
forgiving
roadside
environment,
for
example,
in
the
state
road.
So
the
states
subscribe
to
the
same
safe
system
approach.
We
do
that's
the
queensland
road
safety
strategy
as
well.
Yeah
they're,
currently
reviewing
that
so
in
the
instance
that
there
is
a
state
control
road
where
there
is
a
safety
issue
that
we
identify.
E
K
E
Thank
you
councillor,
toaster,
through
your
own
chair,
so
it
can
be
things
like
ensuring
that
the
roadside
barriers
are
up
to
a
standard
whereby,
if
a
car
does
depart
the
carriage
guard
rails,
that
kind
of
thing
if
the
car
does
depart
the
it
can
also
be
things
about
establishing
a
clear
zone
as
well
and
just
ensuring
that
the
speed
environment
is
appropriate,
for
it
might
be
a
bend,
it
might
be
advanced
warning
signage
to
a
curve
in
the
road
where
the
geometry
changes
dramatically.
E
It
might
be
things
of
a
change
of
environment
whereby
you
transition
from
a
a
very
rural
area.
Can
I
say,
a
heavily
vegetarian
area
into
an
area
where
there
is
a
land
use.
It
might
be
a
school
or
something
else
whereby
there's
advanced
warning
on
the
road
and
beside
the
road
to
make
sure
drivers
are
aware
of
an
imminent
change
in
roadside
environments.
So
there's
a
suite
of
measures
that
we
would
investigate
the
applicability
to
based
on
those
those
factors.
Okay,.
J
Thanks
chair
through
you
and
following
on
from
what
counselor
young
said
about
the
speed
awareness
devices,
I
also
agree,
I
think
they're
great
community
for
the
most
part
thinks
they're
great.
They
show
shown
to
have
an
effect.
What
I
was
curious
was
about
what
further
data
we
can
get
and
what
ability
we
have
as
a
city
to
trial
like
new
technologies
or
innovation
in
that
space,
had
a
business
contact
me
late
last
week,
there's
isn't
as
pretty
as
the
speed
awareness
devices.
J
It
looks
more
like
the
vms
boards,
but
it
essentially
shows
the
speed
and
also
shows
up
the
car's
registration
plate
and
says
said
something
along
the
lines
of
you're
over
the
speed
limit.
Your
plate's
been
collected.
Things
like
that,
I
think,
might
address
what
our
speed
awareness
devices
don't
in
terms
of
the
high
end.
Speeding
our
speed
awareness
devices
seem
really
effective
for
people
who
are
unintentionally
over
the
speed
limit,
but
the
people
that
are
actively
choosing
to
be
well
over
the
speed
limit
that
doesn't
seem
to
have
the
same
impact
on.
J
We
obviously
don't
get
speed
cameras
put
everywhere,
we'd
like
just
curious
for
all.
We
can
do
in
that
space
because
often
have
people
particularly
affected
by
the
high
end,
speeding,
saying
hooning
constantly
and
the
speed
awareness
devices
suggest.
Only
five
ten
percent
of
vehicles
are
over
the
speed
limit
and
the
average
speed
is
usually
under
the
signposted
speed
limit.
So
I'm
curious
what
can
be
done
in
that
space.
D
Through
you,
madam
chair
and
then
I'll
go
to
matt,
I
know
he's
keen
to
answer
as
well.
Look
we're
very
aware
of
all
of
those
devices.
In
fact
we
we
have.
The
city
has
some
vms
signs
with
cameras
built
in
there
are
real
limits
so
on
what
we
can
display
and
displaying
someone's
registration
plate
may
be,
in
contravention
of
you,
know
some
of
the
requirements
around
privacy,
so
we
do
collect
data
and
we
do
share
that
with
other
agencies.
So
we
will
continue
to
do
that.
D
D
We
know
that
when
we
have
applied
the
speed
awareness
devices,
it
has
seen
a
reduction
in
speeding
activity,
so
we'll
continue
to
deploy
that.
As
I
said
earlier,
what
we
can
take
advantage
of
is
new
technology
which
allows
a
wider
field
of
view,
so
we
are
restricted
in
where
we
can
put
the
current
devices
so
by
embracing
that
new
technology
we
can
put
it
in
in
more
locations.
D
E
Thanks
alan
three,
madam
chair,
thank
you
councillor,
belden
lumsden.
So
at
the
time
of
procurement
of
the
speed
awareness
devices
that
is
best
on
ground,
they
are
the
best
in
terms
of
the
data
that
it
collects.
That
was
one
of
the
a
key
criteria
of
our
procurement
of
those,
as
as
it
was
for
brisbane
logan,
many
other
lgas
in
particularly
seq
and
beyond,
as
outland
alluded
to
in
a
previous
answer,
and
just
now
we
are
looking
at
the
asset
management
of
those
devices
as
to
when
we
we
don't
need
to
replace
them.
E
They're
working,
fantastically
well
error
rates
are
very,
very
low
at
a
time
when
we
do
want
to
trial
new
technology
and
intelligence.
Driven
approaches
will
be
criteria
number
one
again
to
make
sure
that
we
not
only
does
it
advise
the
community
of
their
responsibilities
around
speed
management,
but
also
it
gives
us
a
whole
lot
of
intelligence
to
provide
to
the
police
we're
not
going
to
blend
the
city's
responsibilities
with
with
the
police
in
terms
of
enforcement.
E
That
was
always
a
very
clear
delineation
of
responsibility
back
when
we
first
did
this
to
a
point
where
we
had
to
speak
with
the
police
about
ensuring
their
timing,
their
tactical
deployment
of
speed
cameras
and
whatnot
that
weren't
that
neither
neither
device
was
interfering
with
each
other.
Can
I
say
it
that
way,
so
there
wasn't
a
an
inadvertent
interference
now.
What
we
do
is
provide
the
very
granular
data
from
the
speed
awareness
devices
to
our
qps
colleagues.
E
What
we
do
for
yourselves
is
aggregate
it
to
a
point
where,
hopefully,
it's
consumable
and
it's
meaningful
and
whatnot
for
you,
but
I
think
what
we're
doing
at
the
moment
is
the
right
thing
in
terms
of
giving
the
data
the
the
granular
data
to
both
that
we
share
some
with
the
department
as
well,
when
it's
meaningful
for
them
the
outliers
as
you
as
you
allude
to
the
very
high.
E
If
there's
a
a
collective
now
of
those
people
doing
that,
if
there's
a
group
of
people
speeding
at
very
high
levels,
then
it's
fair
to
say:
you'll
see
a
pretty
immediate
qps
response
to
that,
because
that's
a
pattern
of
behavior.
That's
not
just
a
one-off
user.
E
What
we
have
seen
as
elton
the
leads
to
through
the
data
is
that
these
devices
have
worked
fantastically
well
in
in
making
sure
that
the
vast
majority
of
users
of
the
system
are
aware
of
their
speed
and
correct
their
behavior
if
they
need
to,
on
the
basis
of
that,
we're
seeing
more
of
these,
that
can
things
like
construction
zones
now
they're,
not
the
same
similar
devices,
but
they
are
very
effective
in
making
sure
that
we
lower
the
speed
environment
around
work
zones
as
well,
and
that's
not
just
on
the
m1.
E
You
see
a
lot
of
them
at
the
moment,
but
on
a
lot
of
our
work
zones
as
well.
It's
something
we've
implemented
through
our
workplace,
health
and
safety
practices.
On
the
very
great
suggestion
of
our
construction
workforce
as
well
so
they're
very
effective.
They
do.
They
do
a
great
job,
they're
very
well
regarded
by
the
community
as
you
refer
to.
We
are
constantly
looking
for
improvements
to
the
system,
though,
and
I
think
it
goes
across
the
board
with
a
lot
of
our
technology,
a
lot
of
our
intervention
tools.
D
And
can
I
just
remind
councillors
of
the
action
from
the
last
committee
meeting
raised
by
council
owen
jones
that
we
and
we
are
writing
to
the
state
to
to
look
at
those
new
speed
devices
that
they're
implementing
outside
of
schools?
I
think
you've
also
written
to
the
state
for
two
in
in
your
division.
So
you
know
these
are
technologies
which
we're
embracing
which
do
work.
A
J
Thank
you,
chef,
just
one
last
question
is
if
we
could
potentially
be
provided,
some
of
the
more
detailed
data
might
be
helpful
at
times.
As
I
said
most,
the
community
is
very
receptive
to
the
speed
awareness
devices.
The
people
I
seem
to
find
are
most
skeptical
of
their
efficacy.
Are
the
ones
on
the
higher
order,
roads
that
seem
to
believe
they're
impacted
by
hooning
on
a
regular
basis.
Most
recent
query:
I've
kind
of
had
was
the
data
suggested.
It
was
about
35
of
the
vehicles
on
that
particular
road.
J
At
that
time
were
over
the
speed
limit
on
approach,
but
the
average
approaching
vehicle
speed
was,
I
think,
was
more
than
10
kilometers
now
under
the
speed
limit.
So
the
skepticism's
all
there's
a
lot
of
people
doing
well
over
the
speed
limit
and
then
there's
a
lot
of
grandma
drivers
doing
20
30
under
the
speed
limit
grandma,
I'm
I'm
quoting
the
community.
That's
not
my
wording.
J
So
that's
some
of
the
feedback
I've
been
getting
is
there's
a
lot
of
people
doing
well
and
we're
truly
under
the
speed
limit.
That's
almost
skewing
or
biasing
the
data
like.
How
can
we
have
almost
a
third
of
people
over
the
speed
limit,
but
then
the
average
speed
be
25
under
the
speed
limit.
So
I
think
if
there
could
be
a
more
detailed
breakdown,
certainly.
E
Counselor
absolutely
and
the
the
like,
I
said,
we've
tried
to
find
the
right
pitch
if
you
like,
of
the
data
that
we
do
aggregate
and
provide
if
you
like,
I
can
provide
you
the
the
the
detailed
spreadsheet
and
what
we
can
do
is
provide
a
happy
medium
somewhere
about
level
of
detail,
but
not
too
much
detail.
What
I
can
say
to
all
of
the
counsellors,
look
we're
there
to
provide
you
with
the
information
that
helps
you
communicate
with
your
community.
So
there's
certain.
E
A
So
I'm
going
to
get
a
counsellor
targeted,
then
councillor
vorster
and
then
I'm
going
to
go
to
councillor
owen
jones
to
move
and
more.
I
think
everyone's
had
a
healthy
amount
of
input
into
this.
Some
particular
item
and
I'll
get
councillor.
Owen
jones
is
going
to
move
and
I'll
second
and
we'll
move
on.
Thank
you.
G
Thank
you,
and
through
the
chair
through
the
chair
to
the
director
or
matt,
the
main
road
between
broad
beach
and
southport
bridge
is
the
main
thoroughfare
and
I
think
I'm
talking
along
in
relation
to
what
council
called
was
talking
about.
G
So
for
me,
what
is
it?
What
can
we
do
to
actually
make
sure
that
the
roads
that
we've
got
that
we
can
increase
the
speeds
through
those
particular
areas?
Naturally,
when
it's
quiet
through
those
periods
it's
easy
to
get
through
and
and
naturally
the
the
road
system
takes
care
of
itself
in
relation
to
reducing
the
speed
because
of
traffic
itself,
but
that's
a
particular
stretch
that,
in
my
view,
we've
got
broad
beach
to
southport.
G
Yes,
we've
got
some
light
rail
challenges
through
there
that
we
can
increase
of
the
speed,
but
recently,
as
I
said,
it
actually
did
decrease
through
that
main
beach
section.
E
E
Jurisdictional
responsibility
is
not
necessarily
one
of
them,
although
it
is
reflected
usually
through
the
function
of
the
road.
Now
the
a
a
more
key
criteria,
if
you
like,
is
the
actual
road
environment-
and
I
know
the
section
of
radio
referred
to
there-
does
have
a
lot
of
side.
Friction.
Can
I
say
in
areas
it
does
have
a
lot
of
intersections,
where
you
don't
want
vehicles
accelerating
dramatically
to
reach
a
85th
percentile
speed
which
may
or
may
not
exceed
the
posted
speed
limit
to
then
have
to
heavily
decelerate
upon
approach
to
an
intersection.
E
So
there
is
a
that
the
approach
is
one
of
can
we
set
the
speed
limit
to
a
a
level
that
is
likely
to
be
realistically
applied
by
the
vast
majority
of
road
users
on
the
basis
of
the
environment
that
I'm
traveling
through
and
and
past?
So
there's
a
there's,
an
engineering
science
to
setting
speed
limits
and
reviewing
speed
limits
and
in
relation
to
council
coils
comment
before
in
some
cases
the
speed
limit
review
that
they
do
increase.
That
is
an
outcome.
E
I
can
say
that
so
what
you
don't
want
is
some
vehicles
traveling
at
a
certain
speed
and
other
vehicles
traveling
at
speed
x
times
by
two.
So
what
you're
trying
to
do
is
normalize
the
speed
environment
to
a
point
where
there
is
uniformity
in
use
of
that
road
corridor.
So
there
is
a.
There
is
a
pretty
detailed
science
that
the
guys
apply,
who
are
subject
matter.
B
B
It's
one
of
the
reasons
why
I
didn't
support
the
process
around
the
southern
satellite
hospital,
for
example,
but
just
having
a
look
at
some
of
the
ministerial
infrastructure
designation
notices
that
are
currently
live.
What's
really
interesting
is
that
when
the
minister
issues
this
notice
and
invites
community
feedback,
there's
this
boilerplate
section
that
says
requirements
included
in
the
infrastructure
designation
and
I'm
not
going
to
read
them
all.
But
it
does
contain
these
elements:
active
transport,
car
parking
and
school
transport
management.
B
So
while
it's
not
our
responsibility
and
the
state
removes
the
assessment
from
us,
if
we've
got
these
minimum
standards
and
we're
making
a
submission
every
time,
then
at
least
we
can
defensively
go
back
to
the
community
and
say
actually
we
lobbied
for
this,
and
you
know
your
state
government
didn't
come
through.
Whoever
may
be
in
power
at
the
time,
so
I
just
wanted
to
flag
that
as
a
way
of
maybe
putting
a
bit
of
pressure
on
the
state
every
time.
A
Thanks
councillor
worster,
for
that
I
think
that's
been
a
healthy
debate
on
that
item
this
morning.
I'm
happy
for
council
owen
jones
to
move
it
sue.
I'm
happy!
Sorry
sandy,
I'm
happy
to
second.
It
councillors
will
put
that
to
the
vote.
All
those
in
favor
that's
carried.
A
A
I
believe
councillor
vorster
has
a
a
changed
recommendation
or
a
recommendation,
but
I'll
go
to
you.
B
Yeah,
thank
you,
madam
chair.
I
certainly
don't
require
a
presentation
myself
having
been
engaged
with
city
offices
during
this
process,
but
following
a
discussion
I
had
with
the
director
I
do
and
having
provided
the
director
with
a
copy
of
this
change
recommendation,
I
propose
moving
it
and,
if
I
have,
the
support
of
a
seconder
would
like
to
talk
to
it
to
provide
the
community
a
bit
of
context
around
how
we've
arrived
at
this
point
and
how
we're
going
to
tackle
this
important
transport
issue.
B
Sorry,
oh
well,
I
think
councillor
young's
jumped
in
there
but
up
to
you
oh
up
to
her,
I
guess.
B
Well,
what
I
might
do
is
I'll
I'll
start
reading
it,
while
the
formatting
is
being
done,
because
I
have
a
copy
on
my
screen.
So
it
reads
a
that
council
note
that
robina
town
center
drive
and
labor
drive
intersection
project.
The
project
is
important
to
the
transport
network,
underpins
modeling
in
nearby
development
applications
and
is
of
significant
community
interest
b.
That
council
note,
it
was
advised
that
the
project
would
be
delivered
in
2021-22
during
successive
budget
deliberations
and,
most
recently
at
the
time
the
city
budget
2122,
was
adopted.
The
council
note.
B
H
that
a
communication
plan,
including
a
dedicated
web
page,
be
developed
in
consultation
with
the
divisional
counselor
to
update
the
community
on
this
project.
The
development
of
the
robina
town
center
gateway
study
and
the
central
gold
coast.
East-West
passenger
study,
and
I
that
an
update
be
provided
during
deliberations
on
the
city
budget.
2223..
B
Thank
you
very
much
through
you,
madam
chair
to
councillor
caldwell,
when,
when
you
look
at
the
issues
that
have
been
touched
on
in
the
report,
you'll
see
that
there
is
there
will
be,
and
there
is
significant
community
confusion
around
these.
The
timing
of
these
projects
and
the
work
that
undertaking,
if
you
have
a
look
at
many
park,
upgrade
projects,
for
example
around
the
city.
We
normally
create
a
web
page
on
council's
website
that
acts
as
a
single
point
of
truth.
Sorry,
I
just.
J
Yes,
that's
what
I
mean.
Maybe
I'm
not
getting
my
technical
speech,
so
it's
just
like
so
that
you
can
cut
the
link
and
send
it
to
a
resident
and
say
this
is
what
we're
doing
in
relation
to
the
questions
you've
asked
about
the
traffic,
here's,
the
single
link
to
the
page,
the
single
point
of
truth.
Okay,.
J
And
then
the
second
question
was
just
in
relation
to
paragraph
e
about
the
tactical
pedestrian,
something
or
others.
Yes
are
they
like
existing
projects
or
something
or
what?
What
exactly
is.
B
That,
yes,
so
there
are
pedestrian
elements
of
the
former
design
that
city
officers
can
emotionally
get
on
with.
It
really
deals
with
the
fact
that
we
have
about,
I
think,
600,
unregulated
passenger
pedestrian
movements
across
a
roundabout
that
carries
thirty
thousand
eight
hundred
vehicle
movements
daily.
Although
those
figures
I
may
not
be
recalling
correctly
so,
you've
got
vulnerable
road
users
from
the
hospital,
the
high
school,
the
allied
health
precinct,
the
mental
health
wards.
All
of
that
trying
to
get
across
the
road
in
a
very
uncontrolled
way.
J
J
D
So
council
call
will,
if
it
was
due
to
happen
when
the
announcement
came
out
of
the
olympic
games
village,
it
forced
us
to
go
back
and
see
whether
that
intersection
would
cope
with
its
redesign
and,
quite
frankly
it
wouldn't
it's
a
very
difficult
intersection.
One
leg
of
of
the
intersection
is
on
structure
above
the
queensland
rail
corridor.
D
It's
tightly
constrained
in
in
its
existing
geometry,
so
we
had
maxed
out
that
intersection
design
that
we
had
proposed
to
its
its
ultimate
capacity
without
significant,
further
redesign.
Then,
when
we
find
out
it's
going
to
be
this
games
village
and
associated
other
development,
we
would
have
spent
ratepayers
money
doing
something
which
would
then
would
have
to
go
back
and
redesign.
D
So
we
decided
it
would
be
a
better
decision
to
stop
it
now,
redesign
it
to
its
capacity
that
will
cater
for
that
additional
development
instead
of
having
to
go
back
and
do
the
whole
job
again.
D
Through
you,
madam
chair,
not
all
of
it.
No
so
there's
a
lot
of
aspects
to
it,
such
as
the
pedestrian
crossings
that
council
of
oster
has
referred
to,
that
we
can
get
on
with
a
lot
of
the
information
we
found
out
doing
that
design
will
be
used
in
the
redesign.
J
Because
I
mentioned
to
the
ceo
recently
to
try
to
keep
a
track
of
what
the
actual
olympic
games
cost
implications
are
and
so
to
me,
we
actually
should
be
keeping
a
track
of
if
there
is
a
increase
in
cost
or
an
increase
in
scope
and
a
loss
of
work.
That's
been
done
as
a
result
of
the
olympics
village
going
in
robina.
D
It
is
our
intention
to
try
and
restrain
the
costs
on
this
as
much
as
we
possibly
can,
including
that
bridge
over
the
rail
corridor,
which
is
a
constraint
that
we're
already
working
with
with
the
design
team.
We
don't
want
to
be
in
a
position
where
we've
got
to
add
additional
significant
additional
expense
to
that.
D
So
we
think
at
this
stage
that
we
might
be
able
to
get
away
with
it,
but
it's
something
we
are
still
working
on
the
other
thing
to
note
in
this
context,
as
council
vorster
is
aware,
we've
been
tracking
the
background
congestion
in
the
robina
town
centre
over
the
past
12
to
18
months,
and
it
has
significantly
increased
in
that
time.
We
are
seeing
quite
unusual
things
occurring
in
that
sector,
which
is
outside
of
the
normal,
am
and
pm
peak,
so
even
on
weekends.
D
At
11
o'clock
on
a
saturday
you'd
be
hard
pressed
to
get
through
those
intersections
easily.
They
are
pretty
well
at
capacity
and
what
we're
finding
is
people
who
are
coming
off
the
rabina,
parkway
labor
drive
intersection,
are
actually
shooting
north
to
go
through
this
intersection.
To
avoid
that
congestion,
so
we're
starting
to
see
this
synergy
of
congestion
occurring
as
a
result
of
normal
background,
together
with
anticipated
growth,
which
is
severely
going
to
impact
on
this
particular
intersection.
D
But
we
know
it's
going
to
have
a
knock-on
effect
because,
as
the
report
notes,
there
are
four
intersections
which
work
in
conjunction
with
each
other
to
to
deal
with
traffic
through
this
tightly
constrained.
Part
of
the
network
and
part
of
that
constraint,
as
matt
will
add
to
in
a
moment,
is
really
due
to
the
m1
and
its
uplifted
capacity
and
people
are
getting
to
and
from
the
m1
in
a
very,
very
short
geographical
space.
Do
you
want
to
add
to
that?
Matt.
E
Thanks
a
three-man
chair
there
anything
I'd,
add
these
roundabouts
work
as
a
system.
Now
what
we've
seen
with
roundabouts
that
reach
end
of
life?
Is
that
the
as
soon
as
there
is
a
dramatic
imbalance
of
flow,
then
the
roundabouts
don't
perform
the
function
that
they
were
designed
to
originally
perform.
Now,
in
this
instance,
these
four
roundabouts
perform
as
a
system.
E
So
we
need
to
have
a
look
at
the
the
performance
of
these
other
locations
on
the
basis
of
making
sure
that
we
don't
commit
all
of
our
resources
to
one
intersection
that
we
may
need.
We
may
have
be
able
to
spread
our
resources
across
the
four
intersections
or
some
of
the
four
intersections
to
make
sure
that
we
can
attempt
to
manage
the
flow
of
traffic
through
this
particular
system.
So
that
will
be
part
of
the
contemplation
in
the
planning
study.
A
H
My
my
question
just
relates
to
how
much
is
in
the
budget
at
the
moment,
and
I
mean
I-
I
always
think
it's
important
that
we've
got
estimates
of
cost
before
we
blindly
put
our
hand
in
the
air
about
a
whole
range
of
things
that
may
impact
on
competing
projects
or
whatever
and
quite
clearly
it
was
not
the
intent
of
the
officers
when
they
presented
this
report
to
have
such
a
whopping
big
recommendation
that
we
haven't
had
time
to
kind
of
absorb.
So
I'm
not
saying
it's
not
possible.
H
I
don't
even
know
that
the
state
has
absolutely
committed.
I
I
I
think
we're
a
bit
premature
with
this.
B
Madam
chair,
if
I
could
respond
to
that,
here's
the
here's
the
reality,
this
intersection
forms
part
of
a
statutory
planning
instrument,
our
local
government
infrastructure
plan
and
for
the
last
five
years
for
the
last
five
years
as
a
council,
we
have
voted
to
progress
this
project
and
this
council
has
voted
to
support
things.
Like
a
2000
student
tafe,
a
metroicon
homes
head
office,
the
breakwater
development
it
has
voted
to
bring
in
and
induce
a
massive
surge
in
commercial
and
residential
traffic
right
on
the
basis
that
this
intersection,
which
is
fully
funded.
B
B
I
get
told
sorry
council.
This
project
is
not
proceeding
after
as
a
council
we've
gone
out
and
told
the
community
that
this
will
be
a
feature
of
this
financial
year.
Then
really
concerned
me.
Is
that
the
fact
that
this
project
was
not
proceeding,
hadn't
filtered
on
to
the
environment,
planning
and
economy
directorate,
which
was
then
making
assumptions
around
delivery
of
this
intersection
when
supporting
development
applications
in
the
area?
B
If
you-
and
I
appreciate
that
you-
you
haven't
had
time
to
read
this
council
gates,
but
I
can't
direct
a
city
officer
to
change
a
recommendation
in
a
report
before
it
lands
here.
But
if
you
do
spend
a
few
minutes
stepping
through
it,
what
you
will
see
is
that
I'm
doing
nothing
other
than
asking
city
officers
to
take
the
funding
that
we've
already
set
aside
for
this
project
and
use
it
to
get
the
design
right
in
response
to
what
may
unfold
at
the
athletes
village
right.
H
D
Through
you,
madam
chair,
look
we're
as
certain
as
we
can
be
councillor
gates.
It's
been
announced
publicly
as
far
as
we're
aware
of
all
of
the
discussions.
That
is
something
which
is
is
actually
going
to
occur
on
that
site.
D
We
did
our
own
investigations
looking
at
that
to
see
whether
there
was
any
possibility
that
it
might
move
and
and
we're
not
aware
of
of
any
such
possibility.
B
And
matt
and
jeff,
I
could
just
continue
on
that.
What's
really
important
and
regrettably,
it's
confidential,
so
I
can't
talk
specifically
to
it,
but
the
if
you
look
at
part
f
right
you,
you
will
find
that
many
of
these
intersections
are
already
flagged
in
algeb
right
already
flagged
in
elgir
and
all
f
proposes
to
do,
which
is
not
to
introduce
any
new
projects.
All
f
proposes
to
do
is
to
coordinate
future
upgrades
because
it
wouldn't
make
sense
proceeding
with
intersections
a
b
c
and
d.
B
B
H
Right
but
I
think
it
needs
to
go
to
the
stage
if,
if
it's
actually
valid
that
all
of
this
work
needs
to
change.
Aside
from
what
has
been
allocated
and
planned
due
to
the
state's
decision
to
construct
the
athletes
village
at
this
location,
then
why
aren't
the
state
paying
the
money?
I
mean
they've
chosen,
a
location
where
obviously
there
are
going
to
be
transportation
difficulties.
So
why
does
the
poor
old
rate
player
have
to
stumble.
B
Madam
chair,
as
I
said,
we
have
an
obligation
to
deliver
this
project
already.
We've
told
the
community
that
we
wouldn't
be
delivering
this
project
already,
all
I'm
merely
doing,
and
I'm
not
even
laboring,
under
the
assumption
that
there
will
be
any
extra
cost
given
that
we've
committed
to
this
project
over
the
last
four
to
five
years.
B
What
I'm
merely
saying
is
that
supporting
the
city
offices
is
that,
if
we're
going
to
spend
that
money,
which
we
signed
up
to
spend
that
we
get
the
best
design
to
respond
to
the
reality
of
the
state's
decision
to
me,
if
there's
extra
extra
cost,
then
absolutely
I'm
saying,
let's
put
the
state
on
the
the
burner,
but
it's
already
a
live
algebra
project
and
all
I'm
merely
saying
is:
let's
get
the
design
right
and
to
say
that
we
shouldn't
proceed
with
this
project
when
it
should
have
been
done.
Five
years
ago,
yeah.
H
You'll
see
lots
of
projects
in
the
course
of
your
career
that
are
planned.
I
mean
I
had
a
letterbox
drop
about
a
bridge
going
in
at
kumar
years
ago,
and
the
work
was
to
start
the
next
week
and
it
never
eventuated,
because
the
state
then
said
we
couldn't
touch
the
mangroves.
So
there's
often
times
when
things
change
from
what
is
budgeted
because
situations
change-
and
my
only
point-
I
don't-
I
don't
deny-
the
work
probably
needs
doing-
and
this
is
probably
the
most
sensible
way.
D
Madam
chair,
through
you
to
you,
council
gates,
we
certainly
will
be
pursuing
the
state
for
contributions
to
this
one,
particularly
because
we
can
show
that
pretty
direct
relationship
to
this
additional
infrastructure.
So
it's
certainly
our.
I
know
that
this
is
being
streamed,
live
and
hello
to
everyone
in
the
state
is
listening,
but
we
will
be
pursuing
it.
B
I
think
this
is
important
to
acknowledge
and
direct
to
correct
me.
If
I'm
wrong,
we
could
proceed
with
the
intersection
which
we're
morally
obliged
to
deliver,
because
it's
part
of
our
statutory
algebra
project
and
has
underpinned
council's
decision
to
put
thousands
of
people
in
and
around
this
roundabout.
We
could
proceed
with
that
today.
B
All
we're
proposing
to
do
is
to
tweak
the
design
rescue
but
tweak
the
design,
which
may
mean
no
additional
cost.
We're
not
we're
not
there,
but
it
could
mean
no
additional
cost
so
that
we
get
extra
life
out
of
that
intersection
and
to
say
that
this
needs
to
be
put
on
the
back
burner,
because
the
stake
pops
up
I've
got
a
problem
with,
because
every
road
project
that
happens
to
fall
in
the
light
rail
corridor
should
also
be
stopped,
because
the
state's
inducing.
H
I
never
suggested
stopping
anything
councillor.
I
just
asked
for
some
figures
and
for
some
assurance
that
the
state
would
be
asked
to
step
up
to
contribute
funding
if
it's
necessary
to
do
four
or
five
roundabouts.
As
I've
heard
this
morning,
I'm
not
trying
to
be
difficult,
or
I
just
think
it's
fair
when
it's
rate
payers
dollars
and
it's
as
a
consequence
of
a
state
decision
that
we
need
to
cover
our
bases.
E
Three,
madam
champion
of
mine,
thank
you
councillors
and
council
of
austin.
Can
I
give
you
assurance
last
week
we
fled
we've
already
flagged
this
with
our
counterparts
in
the
state
that
we're
going
to
do
this
piece
of
work
and
we're
going
to
do
it
in
a
way
like
we
do
there's
about
half
a
dozen
other
major
projects
in
the
city
at
the
moment
where
we
design
our
concept
and
business
case
process,
so
it
can
be
formally
considered
by
the
state
government
as
part
of
their
investment
process
as
well.
I
Thank
you,
chad,
yeah.
My
concern
is
that
this
report
was
presented
to
us
for
information
and
all
of
a
sudden,
it
seems
we're
identifying
the
number
one
priority
project
for
road
infrastructure
in
the
next
decade
and
and
seemingly
asked
to
commit
funds
to
it
that
weren't
anticipated,
and
I
understand
the
reasons
for
bringing
it
to
our
attention.
But
I
am
a
bit
concerned
about
some
of
the
wording
here.
I
That
implies
the
importance
of
this
project
in
a
competing
environment
that
this
one
would
be
situated
above
many
other
projects
that
have
been
likewise
waiting
and
gestating.
So,
for
example,
we've
got
wording
like
the
established
urgent
need
for
the
project
is
not
backed
necessarily
by
science.
It's
opinion,
no.
I
And
so
I
questioned
the
director
as
to
why
he's
supporting
this
motion.
If
the
report
before
us
is
identifying
scoped
works
within
the
10-year
horizon,
as
we've
got
across
the
city
and
all
of
a
sudden
because
of
a
change,
including
the
potential
athletes
village,
this
has
become
an
urgent
project.
D
Through
you,
madam
chair,
thank
you
for
the
question
councillor
young,
so
I
my
perspective
on
this
is
that
there
is
an
established
need
because
it's
it
was
part
of
the
approved
budget
process.
The
urgency
relates
to
the
window
of
opportunity.
We
have
before
us,
as
council
of
oster,
says
to
utilize
the
existing
funding
to
crack
on
with
the
redesign.
D
So
we
can
do
that
now
because
that
funding
is
currently
available
in
the
financial
year,
so
hence
the
urgency
rather
than
you
know,
deleting
the
project
and
bringing
it
back
before
you
through
some
special
budget
committee.
D
The
urgency
also
relates,
as
I
mentioned
earlier,
to
the
growing
traffic
congestion
in
the
network
in
this
part
of
the
city,
which
is
a
fact
now,
and
it's
only
getting
worse.
So
we
know
how
long
these
things
do
take
to
gestate
and
get
through
the
process.
So
we've
got
a
live
growing
traffic
congestion
issue.
We've
got
a
major
facility
being
established
in
the
not
too
distant
future
that
we
need
to
be
coding.
A
B
B
I
also
find
it
difficult
to
swallow
because
I
think
generally,
this
is
seen
as
a
robina
project
when,
in
actual
fact,
robina
sitting
at
the
geographic
heart
of
the
gold
coast
shoulders
a
lot
of
the
traffic
burden
that
comes
with
the
growth
of
the
gold
coast
generally,
and
if
you
live
in
broad
beach,
for
example,
you
might
cut
across
nielsen's
road.
But
if
you
live
in
burley,
for
example,
you
might
come
through
these
two
exits
to
eventually
make
your
way
east
and,
and
so
while
they
are
roundabouts
around
rubina
town
centre.
B
The
reality
is
that
many
gold
coasters
in
the
central
southern
part
of
the
city
are
are
affected
by
them.
It's
urgent,
because
we
have
hundreds
and
hundreds
and
hundreds
and
hundreds
and
hundreds
and
hundreds
of
people
walking
across
four
lanes
of
traffic
that
has
an
excess
of
30
000
vehicles,
progressing
through
it
with
no
safe
way
of
getting
through.
It's
urgent
because
this
project
should
have
been
done
years
ago.
B
B
B
I
think
it
will
prejudice
our
ability
to
attract
state
funding
because
we
won't
have
a
shovel
ready
project
and
councillor
caldwell
talked
to
the
need
of
that
earlier
and,
if
you're
a
counselor,
who
has
a
community
that
sits
on
the
eastern
seaboard,
this
is
critically
important
to
you
as
well,
because
at
some
point
your
residence
will
cut
east
west
through
this
corridor.
Anyway.
I
just
wanted
to
underscore
that's
the
reason.
A
I
The
issue
is
that
this
project
is
to
be
re-scoped
and
redesigned
and
expanded
and
extended
and
sure
that
may
mean
there's
some
further
opportunity
for
council
to
review
the
budget
implications
and
that
will
be
critical
because,
ultimately,
over
time,
other
things
will
become
the
most
urgent
and
they
will
have
an
impact.
This
will
have
an
impact
on
the
delivery
of
those
other
projects.
So
it's
a
matter
of
ensuring
we're
applying
the
same
standard
across
the
city
in
terms
of
our
network
performance
and
our
investment
in
achieving
the
right
outcomes.
F
Thank
you.
I
don't
see
a
huge
amount
of
difference
actually
between
council
of
osters
and
the
conclusions
that
the
officers
made.
So
with
regard
to
the
risk,
scope
and
capacity.
This
report,
the
conclusion
which
we
would
be
noting
states
that
we
will
re-scope
and
and
that
the
upgrade
project
will
be
re-script
and
capacity
upgraded.
So
that
part
is
not
a
that
part's
not
different.
Councillor
vorster
is
aligned
with
what
the
council
council
officers
are
saying.
F
The
part
that
I
would
like
to
see,
and
possibly
with
an
addition
to
this
recommendation
is
I
don't
think
that
this
language
is
tight
enough
in
terms
of
really
separating
the
costs
to
the
state
government
and
in
fact,
I
think,
possibly
that
the
director's
wording
and
the
conclusion
might
have
even
been
stronger
than
this
one,
by
saying
very
specifically
that
it
will
be
risk
rescued
and
capacity
upgraded
to
respond
to
growth,
including
the
development
of
the
olympic
games.
Village
precinct.
F
I
I
think
that
there
should
be
a
specific
request
once
we
identify
what
that
cost
is
to
the
state
government
and
that
because
council
of
worcester,
my
understanding,
you're
the
big
kind
of
difference
here
between
what
you're
saying
and
the
directors
is
with
a
view
to
commencing
substantial
construction
no
later
than
2223,
is
that
I
mean
you're
both
saying
that
needs
to
be
rescued
and
redone
right.
F
So
I
think
for
for
me
for
comfort.
I
totally
agree
that
we
need
to
have
the
state
government
holding
it
and
saying
that
you're
in
negotiations
with
them
doesn't
really
give
me
a
lot
of
comfort.
Given
my
experience
of
negotiations
with
other
projects,
I
think
we
need
to
be
able
to.
There
needs
to
be
something
I
have.
F
I
just
can't
think
of
the
wording,
and
maybe
someone
else
can
help
me
that
an
update
be
provided
during
deliberations
of
the
city
budget,
with
specific
budget
difference
which
is
dependent
or
created
by
the
state
government
requirements
so
that
we
go
okay,
we
will
allocate
this
in
the
budget
state
government.
You
need
to
cough
up
this.
A
I
might
go
to
councillor
owen
jones
just
to
see
if
he's
got
any
feedback
on
that.
C
I
had
some
thoughts
in
terms
of
words,
which
I
I
just
sent
a
copy
of
my
hand
writing
over
to
council
voices,
I'm
not
too
sure
if
you
can
actually
read
it,
but
yeah
yeah.
I
was
gonna
suggest
in
four
and
I'll
just
say
it
out
loud
before
you
change
it
sandy
that
that
be
maybe
worked
around
a
little
bit.
C
So
it
would
be
something
like,
in
light
of
the
above,
together
with
the
established
urgent
need
for
the
project
that
the
project
be
rescued
and
redesigned
with
a
view
to
negotiating
with
the
state
for
funding
or
for
a
funding
investment.
So
the
construction
may
occur
in
a
timely
manner
or
as
quickly
as
possible
or
something
along
those
lines.
Now
I'm
not
trying
to
get
in
the
way
of.
C
If
your
motion,
council
of
australia,
I
suppose
I'm
just
trying
to
say
how
do
we
get
to
the
point
of
writing
to
the
state
saying
we
think
that
there
might
be
a
dollar
difference
be
largely
and
largely
because
of
the
games
village?
How
can
we
get
that
resolved
as
quickly
as
possible
so
that
we
can
get
on
with
the
result
so.
B
I
hate
the
what
I
perceive,
and
this
is
because
I'm
this
is
so
important
to
me
any
suggestion,
or
if
there's
an
error
in
here,
that
I
want
to
let
the
state
government
off
the
hook
with
infrastructure
funding
in
robina.
B
My
concern
to
your
point
directly,
council
owen
jones,
to
your
suggested
wording
is
that
we
already
have
a
need
to
deliver
this
specific
upgrade.
The
fact
that
we
have
the
fact
that
this
intersection
is
not
already
under
construction.
Quite
frankly,
I
see
as
an
embarrassment
right
it's
an
embarrassment
for
me
that
this
intersection
is
not
already
under
construction.
The
case
to
get
on
with
this
intersection
upgrade
is,
and
sorry
it's
not
a
personal
political
embarrassment.
It's
the
fact
that
we
endorsed
a
budget
and
we
talked
about
it,
so
I
think
it
should
be
delayed.
B
So
my
my
concern
counseling
jones,
is
that
if
we,
if
we
tie
progressing
this,
upgrade
to
our
dealings
with
the
state
government,
we
may
be
in
a
position
where
we're
failing
to
meet
our
commitment
under
the
algebra
to
deliver
it
to
the
to.
If
I
can
roof
on
what
you're,
suggesting,
to
the
extent
that
the
balance
intersections
may
need
to
be
re-prioritized
in
the
elgip
because
of
the
athlete's
village
100.
B
I
think
we
should
be
telling
the
state
government
that
they
need
to
be
paying
right.
So
if
there
are
four
intersections,
what
I
would
like
to
do
is
to
have
the
opportunity
for
city
officers
to
show
us
that
they
can
take
the
funding,
that's
already
there
and
make
it
work
for
the
rocket
intersection
upgrade,
but
then
to
give
counsellors.
B
C
I'm
I'm
happy
to
go
along
with
what
we're
trying
to
achieve.
Like
I
mean,
I
think,
we're
almost
in
furious
agreement
right
so
and
it's
not
about
divisional
patches
or
anything
like
that
and
like
I
mean,
but
what
I've
heard
today,
in
my
view,
is
that
we're
rescuing
something
because
of
a
satellite
village.
That
was
never
imagined
when
it
was
originally
scoped,
but
doesn't
necessarily
remove
the
fact
that
it
needs
to
be
fixed.
We
just
want
to
make
sure
that
when
we
fix
it,
we
fix
it
right
rather
than
half
fix
it.
C
The
new
variable
that's
happened
since
the
budget
announcement
as
such
is
the
fact
that
the
state
are
going
to
wander
in
and
build
density,
probably
in
a
timeline
that
we
weren't
necessarily
imagining
you
know.
So
we
want
to
make
sure
that
if
we
can
leverage
that
and
get
some
of
that
investment,
we
do
the
the
challenge
that
I
have
is
that
it
is
2032.
C
You
know
which
doesn't
help
deliver
the
outcome
now,
but
sometime
in
the
next
10
years,
they're
going
to
be
building
built
product
there.
So
let's
say
that's
in
eight
years
time.
You
know
we
are
probably
a
couple
of
years
away
from
the
state
actually
wanting
to
commit
capital
to
these
type
of
projects.
How
do
we?
How
do
we
skim
through
all
that
I'm
not
trying
to
be
difficult?
C
Thought
it
was
kiwi
debate.
Actually,
like
I
mean
picture,
nationality,
don't
swear
at
me
in
afrikaans.
B
B
Delete
the
balance
of
that
thanks
sandy
and
then,
if
we
could
scroll
down
right
to
the
end,
then
update
be
provided
during
deliberation
city
budget
and
if
we
could
just
add
a
10
yep
that
a
separate
report
be
brought
forward.
B
I
just
have
one
more
question:
okay,
outlining
the
infrastructure
issues
of
the
brisbane
2032
olympic
games,.
B
Because
I
just
note
yesterday,
I
think
ted
o'brien
was
nominated
as
the
federal
government's
delegate
to
this
olympic
committee.
I'm
sure
the
state
are
making
movements
and-
and
the
reason
why
I
think
it's
so
urgent
is
because
I
don't
want
us
to
miss
the
opportunity
for
state
and
federal
funding,
and
I
think
we
risk
it
if
we
don't
have
shovel
ready
projects.
B
So,
while
the
the
majority
of
this
recommendation
deals
with
trying
to
fix
up
the
rocket
intersection,
hopefully
with
the
addition
of
10
councillors,
can
see
that
I'm
not
trying
to
be
parochial
and
there
will
be
a
an
opportunity
for
us
to
agree
on
a
wish
list
for
the
city
so
that
we
can,
on
the
merits
of
individual
projects,
go
cap
in
hand
to
the
state
and
commonwealth
for
their
fair
share
of
infrastructure.
Funding.
H
Thank
you.
I
just,
I
simply
had
the
one
query
really
all
the
way
through
and
it
was
regarding
certainty
on
the
block
of
land.
So
my
question
to
the
director
is:
if
the
state
decides
not
to
utilize
the
block
of
land
that
has
so
far
been
mentioned
at
rabina,
would
we
be
able
to
move
ahead
with
what's
already
budgeted
or
would
the
intersection
still
require
upgrading,
or
is
it
entirely
related
to
the
parcel
of
land?
That's
been
identified
by
the
state
for
the
proposed
athletes,
village
that
causes
the
work.
E
Three,
madam
chair,
thank
you
councillor
gates,
I
think
elton
alluded
to
before
it
is
a
big
influence
here
is
the
is
an
assumption
about
the
use
of
that
piece
of
land,
but
we
would
have
we
we
need
to
re-look
at
this
intersection
in
as
part
of
that
system,
with
at
least
the
other
three
intersections
identified
on
page
109
of
the
report
because
of
the
change
in
significant
growth.
If
you
like
in
some
of
that
non-traditional
demand,
the
off-peak
demand
in
robina
anyway,
so.
E
Three-Man
chair,
that's
correct
councillor
gates,
on
the
basis
of
thankfully,
our
gateway
process
captured
this
as
a
spoken
to
council
of
warsaw
reasonably
late
in
the
process,
but
it's
great
that
our
gateway
process
caught
this
before
we
moved
into
a
construction
phase.
Okay,
thank.
H
B
Thank
you,
madam
chair,
I'm
not
sure
who
seconded
the
motion.
Thank
you,
madam
chow.
I
appreciate
that
sincerely
look
councillors.
B
I
think
I
think
we
all
know
that
we
don't.
We
we're
supportive
of
development
and
projects
that
add
to
our
city,
but
they
do.
They
do
carry
costs
and,
as
councillor
gates
alluded
to
quite
often
those
costs
fall
to
the
ratepayer.
Despite
the
fact
where
that
the
state
government
and
the
federal
government
may
have
a
moral
obligation
to
do
their
heavy
lifting,
I
mean
the
rubina
town
centre
itself,
it's
owned
by
qic,
which
is
ultimately
owned
by
the
queensland
government,
and
they
do
their
fair
share
of
inducing
traffic
for
commercial
return
into
the
precinct.
B
But
I
haven't
in
my
time
as
councillor
for
five
years,
seen
them
reinvest
some
of
that
commercial
return
into
the
road
network,
and
it
becomes
galling
to
me
when
you've
got
a
state
government,
pacific
motorway
running
next
to
a
state
government-owned
shopping
centre,
where
the
poor
ratepayer
is
up
for
the
cost
of
making
sure
that
the
whole
city's
transport
network
doesn't
grind
to
a
halt
because
of
the
narrow
road
reserve
that
we
have
between
the
two
state
government
owned
properties.
It's
galling
to
me.
B
So
over
the
last
five
years,
I've
attempted
to
get
this
council
into
a
position
where
we're
actively
lobbying
for
reform
so
that
those
developments
make
an
infrastructure
contribution.
But
one
of
the
things
I
have
learned
is
that
the
growth
of
the
city
doesn't
impact
just
the
areas
where
that
growth
happens
to
be
unfolding,
and
ultimately,
people
need
to
access
services
right
across
the
gold
coast.
They
might
need
to
travel
into
southport.
B
They
might
need
to
come
into
robina
to
broad
beaches,
surface
paradise
and,
ultimately,
even
though
a
project
is
in
the
rubina
central
planning
area,
it
doesn't
mean
that
it's
not
a
legitimate
trunk
project
that
benefits
the
whole
of
the
city.
So
today
yeah
I
spoke
passionately
and
yeah
I
did
get
over
over
the
top.
I'm
sure
arguing
for
a
project
that
happens
to
be
in
rabina
happens
to
be
in
that
robina
central
planning
area,
but
I'm
really
convinced
that
if
you
live
west
of
the
m1
and
even
in
narang,
this
is
a
project.
B
That's
important
to
you.
It's
important
to
use
you
try
and
get
to
school.
It's
important
to
use
you
try
and
go
to
work,
perhaps
at
the
rubina
town
center
and
it's
important
to
you
as
you.
Perhaps
you
know,
access
social
services
that
will
soon
be
delivered
on
robina
town
center
drive
itself,
or
maybe
it's
important
to
you,
because
we
want
people
to
be
able
to
get
in
and
out
of
the
stadium
safely
to
support
participation
there.
B
It's
a
really
important
and
essential
project,
and
I
I
know
people
might
get
spooked
by
the
word
urgency
which
I've
removed.
But
you
know
it's
urgent
because
it
should
we
should
have
been
halfway
through
construction
and
usually
infrastructure
projects
lag
demand.
So
it's
urgent
because
we
probably
should
have
done
this
five
years
ago,
and
I
know
that
this
is
very
different
to
the
officer
recommendation.
B
A
Thanks
councillor
vorster
and
thank
you
councillor,
owen
jones,
for
helping
with
that
wording
as
well.
A
No,
you
can
go
to
them
all
right,
cancellers,
that's
item
6.3,
we'll
move
on
to
we've
got
a
presentation
on
item
6.4
and
if
we
can
go
to
mrtilly.
Thank
you.
D
Councillors,
just
by
way
of
introduction,
it's
all
about
transport
today,
as
you've
gathered
so
matt's,
going
to
give
us
two
presentations
now.
The
first
one
is
one
of
our
series
of
updates
on
on
light
rail.
E
Thank
you,
alton.
Thank
you,
madam
chair,
and
thanks
councillors,
I'll
I'll
get
through
this
as
efficiently
as
I
can,
and
certainly
field
any
questions
that
you
have
as
we
go
through.
So
the
purpose
of
today
was
to
give
you
a
look
at
says,
an
update
on
where
we
as
a
as
an
organization
but
where
the
project
is
heading
in
relation
to
light
rail
stage.
E
Three
has
been
some
great
progress
in
the
last
several
months
and
I'll
give
you
a
bit
of
a
fly
over
there
about
that
update
where
we're
at
to
with
the
business
engagement
task
and
where
what
works
have
proceeded
and
what
the
look
ahead
is
and
we'll
give
you
a
bit
of
a
fly
through
at
the
end
as
well.
E
Okay,
so,
in
terms
of
a
general
project
update,
we
have
been
as
part
of
the
the
partnership
with
the
state
government
leading
the
way
we
have
agreed
an
early
works
arrangement
with
the
state's
agreed
nearly
works
arrangement
with
john
holland.
We
think
we
communicated
that
as
soon
as
in
the
media
in
recent
months.
Really,
that's
enabled
the
partnership
to
proceed
with
a
whole
suite
of
activities
in
advance
of
what's
called
financial
close,
which
is
scheduled
at
the
moment
for
later
in
2021,
in
terms
of
the
governance
which
has
really
sped
up.
E
If
you
like
in
the
last
couple
of
months,
the
external
or
the
multi-partner
arrangement
has
really
taken
form.
We
have
a
three-tier
governance
system,
tier
one
being
the
our
executive
at
the
table
with
the
gold
link
and
tmr
executive
as
well
tier.
Two
we've
got
a
two
part
tier
two
governance
I
sit
on.
E
I
represent
the
city
on
what's
called
the
broader
project
tier
two
meeting,
which
is
once
a
fortnight
and
also
gold
coast,
water
and
waste
of
their
own
tier
2
governance
in
place
as
well,
because
of
the
bespoke
needs
of
of
that
particular
directorate.
E
A
third
tier
is
a
suite
of
technical
governances
which,
where
we
have
our
project
team,
our
subject
matter,
experts
at
the
table,
contributing
to
the
the
outcomes
internally,
we
do
have
a
pcg,
a
multi-directory
pcg
and
a
multi-directory
executive
staircase
as
well
to
make
sure
that
as
a
city,
we've
got
our
ducks
in
line
as
we
represent
across
the
partnership
business
engagement.
So
in
july,
through
to
late
august,
john
holland
group
really
ramped
up
their
business
engagement
process.
E
They
owned
that
process
as
part
of
their
the
the
project
and
they
delivered,
as
you
see,
their
26
000
newsletters
they've
door
knocked
as
well,
businesses
along
the
corridor
and
certainly
the
feedback
from
them.
You
can
see
the
example
of
the
newsletter
on
the
right
of
the
screen
there.
The
sentiment
has
been
has
been
quite
positive,
thus
far
in
terms
of
the
next
steps
again,
john
holland
led
a
consortium-led
business
engagement
plan.
E
There's
a
suite
of
early
works
that
we
we
have
delivered
in
unison
with
the
state.
Certainly
a
good
great
example
of
this
was
the
conversion
of
a
staggered
tea
arrangement
at
campus
avenue
and
simmons
road.
There
delivered
ahead
of
schedule
and
ahead
of
budget
state-funded
project
that
our
ti
t
delivered
with
our
internal
delivery
partners,
a
fantastic
outcome
for
the
community
there
and
some
great
feedback
from
the
local
community,
both
during
construction.
E
We
had
some
kids
who
enjoyed
watching
the
construction
unfold,
but
also
in
the
in
the
post-construction
phase
as
well.
I
know
we've
got
some
great
feedback
from
customers
on
that
one
there's
a
whole
lot
of
gold
coast,
water
and
waste
early
works
underway
as
well,
and
this
is
another
state
funded
element.
It's
called
a
pressure
monitoring
leak
detection
system,
which
really
ensures
or
or
is
a
significant
risk
mitigation
for
ensuring
that
there
is
a
minimal
disruption
to
water
supply.
During
that
construction
phase,
we're
also
expediting
some
water
main
renewals
as
well.
E
These
have
progressed
very
well.
We've
done
these
as
night
works
and
obviously
there's
the
appropriate
night
works
management
plans
along
the
corridor.
There
there's
a
host
of
very
localized
active
transport
projects
that
we're
proceeding
with
as
well
again
to
enhance
the
safe
connectivity
from
the
surrounding
areas
into
the
into
those
station
precincts
very
rapidly.
In
terms
of
the
look
ahead
on
the
30th
of
august,
john
holland
group
started
the
establishment
of
their
site
compound
at
broadbeach,
south
and
they'll,
be
there
for
the
duration
of
the
project
we've
already
commenced.
E
What's
called
the
design
review,
design
management,
review
process
and
already
we've
we've
seen
benefit
of
having,
if
you
like
practice,
processes
in
place
to
make
sure
that,
when
the
the
dam
breaks-
and
we
do
get
this
very
high
flow
of
design
review
tasks
that
we
are
in
the
best
place
possible
to
ensure
that
all
city
stakeholders,
internal
city,
stakeholders,
have
a
seat
at
the
table
to
make
sure
our
needs
are
represented
there.
E
E
These
are
dropped
off
at
all
the
residents
and
businesses
on
the
way
and,
as
per
the
next
slide
same
again
about
things
like
utility
investigations
as
well.
So
there's
a
fair
amount
of
collateral
in
terms
of
community
information
that
is
being
disseminated
to
the
public.
At
the
moment,
can.
J
Otherwise
this
is
going
to
take
two
or
three
times
as
long
to
deliver
in
a
in
a
reasonable
network
than
what
it
should
and
if
you
take,
if
you
extrapolate
the
timelines
out
getting
the
next
couple
of
stages
done
like
it
will
end
up
being
that
we're
lucky
to
get
it
to
the
airport
by
the
olympics,
and
maybe
that
becomes
their
goal
because
that's
okay.
But
it's
not.
J
I've
said
it
before,
and
I
said
that
we
need
to
make
this
business
as
usual
for
this
to
be
constructed
for
a
generation
of
gold
coasters,
at
which
time
we
will
get
to
a
point
where
it
has
a
reasonable
prospect
of
being
a
meaningful,
integrated
transport
network,
and
here
we
are
looking
at
a
screen
that
says
it's
been
four
years,
so
I
just
want
to
make
that
point,
because
I
don't
really
want
to
be
sitting
here.
Four
years
after
we
get
to
burley
saying
oh
wow
look
we're
about
to
start
going
to
the
airport.
J
It's
not
good
enough,
and
we
can't
we.
We
can't
keep
dragging
it
out
the
people
in
palm
beach.
The
reason
that
they're
so
apprehensive
about
it
is
because
this
great
unknown
thing
that's
sitting
there
waiting
and
it's
going
to
be
a
decade
or
more
from
when
it
got
to
broadbeach
to
when
it
gets
anywhere
near
palm
beach.
J
No
wonder
they
get
upset
about
it,
they
don't
know
when
it's
coming.
They
then
don't
get
the
experience
and
they're
it's
the
whole
unknown,
like
we've
got
to
give
these
people
the
real
meaningful
opportunity
to
utilize
the
investment
because
they're
all
paying
for
it
we're
all
paying
for
the
light
rail
and
it's
not
going
far
enough
quick
enough.
F
J
Well
again,
it
should
just
be
a
pro
forma.
There
should
be
no
silly
bugger
arguments
every
time
we
get
to
a
stage
to
say.
Have
this
whole
fake
negotiation
about
how
much
everyone
puts
in
there
should
be
a
same
approach
stage
after
stage
after
stage,
if
the
number
that
council
puts
in
is
is
11
or
12
percent,
as
it's
been
for
the
last
three
stages,
why
would
that
need
to
change
for
stage
four
there's,
no
compelling
reason
why
anything
needs
to
change.
If
we've
got
a
formula,
that's
worked,
we
just
need
to
keep
doing
it.
C
I
agree
wholeheartedly
with
all
of
that.
My
only
addition
is
that
it's
not
just
a
state
government
issue,
it's
actually
the
state
parliament
needs
to
be
consistently
behind
delivering
a
appropriate
light
rail
infrastructure
to
the
gold
coast
rather
than
it
you
know,
being
an
opposition
government
thing,
it's
actually
all
of
the
elected
representatives
need
to
understand
how
important
it
is
that
we
actually
get
on
with
it.
Rather
than
stop
and
start
every
two
years
or
four
years.
E
You,
madam
chair,
and
I
assure
you
councillors,
we'll
bring
an
update
about
a
lot
of
stage
four
to
the
next
committee
as
well,
and
we'll
have
a
conversation,
certainly
about
that.
Then
the
final
slide
before
the
fly-through
is
around
the
type
of
works
that
we'll
see
over
the
next
few
months.
So
certainly
it's
around
that
early
utilities
investigation
so,
like
I
say,
standard
early
work,
so
I
can
say
that
there'll
be
february
hives
on
the
corridor
in
the
next
in
the
next
few
months.
H
H
C
Question
so
so
matt
you've
told
us
that
they'll
substantially
be
starting
work
by
the
end
of
2021.
The
probably
the
follow-up
question
to
that
is:
when
do
you
think
they
will
be
substantially
finishing
work
and
will
be
actually
able
to
travel
on
stage
three.
E
3M
chair,
as
far
as
I'm
aware,
the
current
schedule
pushes
into
2024-
I
think
that's
that's
been
made
made
public
in
recent
times.
The
schedule
has
shifted
for
a
variety
of
reasons
which
have
been
again
made
public.
So
that's
the
current
schedule
and,
like
I
said
all
parties
involved
behind
the
scenes
are
doing
what
they
can
to
to
bring
that
into
effect.
B
Not
a
difficult
question,
I
don't
think,
but
the
the
broad
beach
south
station,
I
think,
works
really
well,
because
you've
got
a
good
bus,
interchange
right
happening
there
at
the
terminus
and
I'm
assuming
that
heading
south.
That's
not
going
to
change,
because
that
broad
beach
interchange
is
good
for
the
east-west
connections.
B
B
Are
we
fairly
comfortable
that
we're
not
going
to
have
bus
queuing
issues
causing
congestion,
I'm
sure
would
have
been
contemplated?
But
I
just
thought
I'd
ask
the
question.
E
Yeah
three
ma'am,
absolutely
right,
council
of
wall
street
was
contemplated
a
lot
during
that
during
that
business
case
phase
and
engage
with
the
local
community
at
that
time,
as
well
around
where
the
buses
were
not
only
interchange,
the
passenger
interchange
will
be
where
the
storage
would
be
as
well.
So
that's
all
been
built
into
the
the
plan
for
burley
heads.
A
E
Three
round
of
chair
I'll
find
the
latest
plan
canceling.
If
you
don't
mind
to
make
sure
that
I
can
provide
the
because
I
know
there
were
a
few
options
considered,
there's
a
there's,
some
locations
actually
on
the
highway
and
also
within
the
I
think,
it's
mostly
on
the
gold
coast
highway
I'll
triple
check
that
for
you
there
councillor
and
make
sure
I
give
you
the
accurate
answer.
A
Thank
you
thanks
councillor
young,
that's
item
6.3
and
we're
just
noting
that
as
a
presentation
and
we'll
go
to
item
6.4,
which
is
the
bike
share
scheme
update.
A
D
Similar
thing
councillors
so
we're
bringing
you
a
couple
of
updates
here,
just
on
a
couple
of
these
projects
been
a
while,
since
we've
come
back
to
you
with
this
one,
so
we've
had
some
community
interests
of
late,
so
we
thought
we'd
take
the
opportunity
just
to
give
you
an
update
on
how
the
scheme
is
progressing.
E
Thanks
alan
three
major
chair,
sorry,
it's
me
again,
so
the
purpose
of
this
update
is
out
and
says
to
give
you
an
update.
The
system
has
reached
so
I
think,
we're
in
a
month
nine
now
of
this
bike
share
scheme
mark
ii.
So
certainly
it's
time
to
give
you
an
update
on
how
the
the
usage
is
normalized
and
some
of
the
learnings
thus
far
and
the
option
opportunities
about
where
to
from
here.
So
for
those
who
who
haven't
had
a
chance
to
utilize
the
system.
E
Yet
it's
a
system
of
electric
assisted
bicycles
that
can
travel
up
to
25
k's
an
hour.
They
are
doppler
so,
as
you
would
have
seen,
no
doubt
and
the
service
area
is
the
the
geometry
shown
on
the
screen.
There
so
extends
north
to
runway
bay,
south
to
burleigh
heads
and
captures
a
couple
of
the
non-coastal
centres,
which
was
a
a
positive
change
from
bike
share
stage.
One
and
I'll
look
back
to
the
the
geographic
area
towards
the
back
end
of
the
presentation,
because
we
are
looking
to
expand
that
in
in
partnership
with
lyon.
E
The
metrics
are
pretty
good
and
I
think
to
put
these
in
context.
So,
at
a
time
when
the
previous
supplier
had
around
800
bikes
in
the
system,
we
had
around
about
21
000,
unique
riders.
So
to
put
it
in
perspective,
we've
got
more
than
double
the
number
of
unique
riders
at
the
moment
with
around
about
650
bikes
in
the
system.
E
I
desegregate
a
few
of
these
metrics
over
the
next
few
slides
I'll
do
so
in
a
very
efficient
way
for
you,
though,
so
the
number
of
trips
and
unique
riders
per
month,
their
trips
being
the
the
I
guess,
you
call
it
the
teal
colored.
So
you
can
see
the
trips
trending
upwards
july
is
a
little
bit
of
an
anomaly
because
of
things
like
weekend
of
lockdown
in
there,
but
the
number
of
unique
writers
is
increasing
as
well.
E
So
what
that
essentially
tells
me
that
there's
more
riders
and
they're
using
their
bikes
more
often
as
well,
the
user
profile
is
something.
Obviously
we
keep
an
eye
on
in
terms
of
the
the
marketing
and
the
communication
about
the
scheme.
The
vast
majority
of
users
gold
coast
residents,
as
you
can
see
there,
there
is
very
few
scq
visitors
and
a
slightly
higher
number
of
non-southeast
queensland
visitors
using
the
system
as
well.
D
Definitely
we
noticed
in
the
profile
of
the
previous
scheme
that
there
was
quite
a
significant
amount
of
non-local
use
as
well,
but
here
it's
predominantly
local.
E
Number
of
bikes
in
service,
so
it's
one
of
the
metrics
that
we
do
keep
in
regular
communication
with
alarm
about.
We
want
to
make
sure
that
the
scheme
is
being
expanded.
They
naturally
want
to
make
sure
that
the
supply
and
demand
metrics
are
about
right.
Should
we
say
that
there's
not
a
lot
of
bikes
being
underutilized,
so
we're
about
650
at
the
moment
in
use
they
usually
work
on
around
about
10
of
bikes,
being
maintained,
cleaned,
etc,
and
so
on.
E
Obviously,
we
didn't
have
the
end
of
august
data
to
hand,
but
we
do
collect
the
starter
each
month
and
we
can
tap
into
any
of
the
data
on
a
reasonably
live
basis
as
well
median
trip
duration,
again,
one
of
our
kpis
for
this
from
a
for
a
network
offering
point
of
views
to
make
sure
that
we
can
offer
the
transition
from
the
human
powered
bikes
to
the
electric
assisted
bikes
was
that
we
can
lengthen
the
trips
and
obviously
that
goes
hand
in
hand
with
trip
duration,
we're
working
around
about
a
10
minute
average
trip
duration
at
the
moment,
which
translates
into
the
next
slide
into
about
a
1.5
to
two
kilometer
distance
trip.
E
So
I've
asked
the
guys
already
to
see
whether
we
can
look
at
our
marketing
to
see
if
we
can
market
more
long
distance
trips.
What
this
does
show,
though,
is
that
this
is
working
extremely
well
in
terms
of
what
we
would
call
a
first
mile
and
last
mile,
offering
almost
literally,
if
you
take
the
the
metrics,
the
imperial
measurement
there.
So
we
it's
effect
it's
serving
its
primary
purpose,
which
was
first
my
last
mile
mobility.
E
What
we
can
do
with
the
electric
assisted
bikes,
though,
is
certainly
look
to
extend
the
distances
and
see
whether
we
can
tap
into
that
longer
distance
trip
market.
Here's
a
graphic
that
is
interesting
on
face
value.
E
So
just
an
example,
if
you
like
of
the
type
of
type
of
data
that
we
do
tend
to
analyze
nowadays,
so
the
next
steps
I'll
come
back
to
surf
expansion
in
a
second
helmet
uptake
and
availability,
not
big
surprises.
It's
not
it's
not
as
big
anywhere
near
as
big
issue
as
what
it
was,
perhaps
with
mobike.
Initially,
it
is
something
that
lime
are
constantly
looking
at
ways
in
which
they
can
improve.
The
availability
of
helmets
can,
I
say
there
are
a
lot
of
users
who
choose
personally
not
to
use
helmets
with
the
system.
E
Now.
That's
something
that
obviously
is
is
not
something
we'd
recommend,
but,
but
certainly
the
helmet
availability
is
something
we'll
work
with
lime
on
quite
regularly
to
make
sure
that
where
a
user
does
want
to
use
a
helmet
that
there
is
one
available
with
that
bicycle,
we
are
constantly
working
with
lime
as
well
to
make
sure
that
very
low
cost,
or
sometimes
no
cost
infrastructure
and
operational
enhancements
that
we
can
affect
those
to
the
benefit
of
the
scheme
as
well.
E
Customer
feedback's
very
important
as
part
of
the
scheme
and
something
that
lime
have
been
very
proactive
in
can
I
say,
and
very
positive
on.
Certainly
the
you
can
see
there,
the
yellow
dots
represent
the
the
pickup
points
of
the
bike,
so
you
can
see
some
of
them
do
lie
outside
of
the
defined
geographic
zone.
Now
that,
then,
translates
into
our
intention
and
what
to
work
with
lyme
and
talk
about.
E
Let's
talk
about
expanding
this,
this
service
area,
west,
north
and
south,
to
make
sure
that
we
can
again
positively
promote
this
for,
inter
suburban
trips
away
from
that
coastline
as
well.
So
this
is
a
very
much
a
live
conversation
and
it's
going
very
well
thus
far.
Obviously
it
needs
to
take
a
little
boxes
from
lime's
point
of
view
to
make
sure
we
do
affect
that.
E
The
other
really
positive
element
here
is
that
we
do
have
some
can
I
say,
partners
in
industry
and
in
this
instance
griffith,
whereby
they
have
taken
it
upon
themselves
to
really
do
almost
like
a
sub
partnership
with
lime,
to
make
sure
that
there
is
a
very
high
visibility
of
the
e-bikes
available
at
their
campus
and
make
sure
that
their
students
and
their
staff
and
visitors
to
the
campus
do
know.
E
H
E
Three,
madam
chair,
thank
you
councillor,
gates,
not
a
dissimilar
arrangement
to
what
we
had
with
mobike
there's
a
territory
management
component
of
their
contract,
whereby,
if
bicycles
are
left
in
an
unsafe
area,
a
bit
unsafe
for
other
users
but
safe
and
safe
for
the
bike
itself,
then
that
gets
a
priority
call
and
they'll
sweep
those
up
pretty
quickly.
If
they're
left
in
areas
where
it's
of
slightly
less
convenience
for
future
users,
then
they'll
be
slightly
less
priority,
but
they
do
have
a
sweeping
system.
I
must
say
the
territory.
E
Management
of
lime
has
been
very
good
and
mobike's
improved
a
lot
along
the
way,
but
lime's
territory
management
thus
far
has
been
very
good
and
hence
the
reason
we've
had.
Can
I
say
a
very
small
number
of
complaints
from
the
from
the
public
about
the
location
of
bikes
that
aren't
being
used.
E
Three-Minute
chair,
the
bikes
are
gps
tracked.
They
will
know
where
each
of
their
bikes
in
the
fleet
are.
Hence
the
reason,
the
ones
that
are
outside
the
geographic
area,
they'll
sweep
them
up
pretty
quickly
because
they're
not
able
to
be
reused.
If
you
like
they're,
not
they
can't
commence.
E
The
use,
like
I
said
other
ones
that
are
the
sweeping
system
we
have
our
our
outdoor
guys
will
bring
them
in
as
well
so
there'll
be
a
there's
almost
like
a
collective
effort
to
identify
if
there
are
bikes
that
are
left
either
on
the
road
in
the
carriageway,
for
example,
priority
one
on
a
footpath
next
to
a
road
priority,
one,
if
they're
just
left
in
an
area
that
they
think
well,
they
shouldn't
really
have
been
left
there.
E
I
Okay,
thank
you.
How
are
the
bikes
charged
and
how
do
they
keep
them
charged.
D
This
one
through
you,
madam
chair,
there's
two
processes:
there's
a
battery
swap
out
process
and
then,
when
they're
collected
for
a
regular
maintenance,
they
take
them
back
to
the
depot
and
change
and
charge
them
up
there.
D
E
E
Like
we've
got
three
minutes:
let's
not
I'll,
see
what
we
can
derive
from
from
lime.
That
might
be
some
commercial
information
that
we
might
not
be
full
access
to,
though,.
E
I
F
With
these
bikes
there's,
there
seems
to
be
a
lot
less
just
left
in
shocking
places
that
we
saw
with
the
previous
bikes.
But
one
thing
with
these
bikes
is
that
you'll
see
them
in
somewhere.
That's
safe,
probably
ticks
all
the
boxes
are
where
it
is,
but
a
simple
matter
of
leaving
a
a
bike
lying
down
versus
standing,
really
gives
a
very
different
impression
to
residents.
E
I
think
that,
as
part
of
the
information
the
user
guides,
can
I
say
sometimes
the
bikes
do
topple
over
not
at
the
at
the
means
of
the
user.
Sometimes
they
can
top
over.
In
you
know,
wind
or
some
non-user
can
knock
them
over
kind
of
thing
so,
but
that
is
part
of
the
information
they
have
about
how
essentially
it's
my
phrase
not
theirs,
but
how
to
essentially
use
the
bikes
as
they're
intended
to
be
used.
F
A
A
If,
if
they
want
to,
they
can't
and
we've
I've
seen
it
happen
in
the
early
hours
of
the
morning,
where
they've
been,
you
know,
half
a
dozen
bikes
yet
again
and
they
think
if
you
push
that
first,
one,
let's
see
if
it
dominoes
yeah
and
I
think
it's
a
great
joke.
So
unfortunately,
sometimes
it
cannot
be
the
behavior
of
the
user,
but
the
behavior
of
of
those
less
community
orientated
people
councillor
barely
lumps
in.
Do
you
have
any
questions?
No
counsellor
taylor.
G
Thank
you
through
the
chair.
First
of
all,
when
it
first
came
out
our
first
six
months,
we
were
having
a
lot
of
problems
with
them
all
being
around
the
streets
and
I
must
admit,
they've
really
improved,
that
that
side
of
it
we
do
see
them
out
there
and
I
think,
there's
been
a
big
improvement
on
the
cleanup,
I
think
also
education
as
well,
because
they're
new,
I
think,
the
more
we
can
educate
people
to
respect.
G
I
have
seen-
and
this
will
come
back
to
my
electric
scooters-
on
active
transport
and
pass
down
the
track,
but
I've
heard
some
devices
or
some
of
these
schemes
got
the
ability
to
control
their
speeds
or
gp
by
gps
control
measures,
and
I'm
not
sure
whether
this
is
something
that
lime
has
ability
of
doing
or
the
ability
of
looking
at
down
the
future.
So
I
believe
it's
in
brisbane,
where
there's
certain
areas
through
the
main
streets
that
they
actually
reduce
the
speed
of
the
actual
scooters,
so
when
they're
in
high
density
areas.
G
So
it's
just
something
to
ask
a
question
because
my
understanding
is
in
brisbane
and
there's
other
modes
out
there
that
can
do
that
to
council
of
gates.
My
understanding
they've
got
four
hours
to
pick
them
up
if
it's
in
a
dangerous
position
and-
and
I
think
they've
got
24
hours
to
actually
move
myth-
they've
been
left
in
one
spot,
but
they
do
act
from
complaints
as
well
so
yeah.
But
look
as
I
said,
I
think,
there's
been
a
massive
improvement.
G
Yes,
we
are
in
covert
time,
so
it'd
be
interesting
to
see
what
happens
when
the
cities
are
activated.
But
from
where
I
was
12
months
ago,
there's
been
a
big
improvement.
B
I
think
that
that
will
actually
be
the
most
instructive
thing
for
us
to
see
whether
the
fleet
of
bikes
are
being
utilized
and
how
many
cases
there
are
of
bikes
that
are
there
for
a
fortnight,
I've
seen
a
few
of
them
that
sit
there
for
over
over
a
fourth
night
yeah,
so
the
ones
that
stick
out
so
if
if
they
can
provide
us
with
a
histogram
of
the
frequency,
that
bikes
are
sitting
idle
and
they
can
take
that
as
a
moment
in
time.
In
fact,
why
not
use
today?
So
as
of
11
30
a.m?
B
On
tuesday,
the
7th
of
september?
Can
they
provide
us
with
a
histogram
to
show
us
what
proportion
of
bikes
have
been
sitting
there
for
x
number
of
days?
Simple
histogram,
and
by
the
way
I
don't
ask
for
that
to
argue
in
favor
again,
so
I
just
think
that's
principally
the
root
of
many
of
our
questions,
and
I
just
had
a
question
about
geofencing.
B
Tell
you
why
vision,
australia,
who
look
after
those
with
low
vision,
are
headquartered
in
ravina
and
they've
got
a
lot
of
clients
with
low
vision
who
need
to
traverse
complex
intersections
around
a
busy
area
and
footpaths,
and
what
have
you
and
there's
a
risk
of
their
clients
coming
into
conflict
with
bikes,
and
I
would
love
the
ability
to
somehow
work
with
lyme
through
a
council
resolution.
What
have
you
to
say?
You
know
what
we've
got
some
sensitive
users?
B
Can
we
make
that
this
frontage
of
this
particular
area?
You
cannot
just
leave
your
bike
on
a
footpath.
There
are
some
intersections,
for
example,
the
intersection
of
cheltenham
and
robina
parkway,
where
we've
got
a
very
narrow,
non-dda
compliant
footpath.
It's
probably
only
500
mil
less
right
wide
and
it's
falls
straight
into
the
curb.
So
it's
very
challenging-
and
there
are
often
bikes
on
that
footpath.
E
Three
men
of
chair-
my
thank
you,
council
also
is
a
great
point.
My
understanding
is
that,
yes,
we
can
geofence
areas
for
priority
use
or,
can
I
say,
non-use
the
fine-grained
nature
of
the
que.
I
might
need
to
look
into
that
a
bit
further
because,
like
I
said
it
will
be
down
to
the
user
understanding
of
that
fine
grain
nature
of
the
system
as
well.
That
makes
sense
so
there
might
be
the
disincentive
to
not
leaving
a
bike
in
a
certain
case.