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B
A
Procedural
motion,
first
and
first
up
for
councillor
taylor's
absence
today
he's
a
bit
busy
following
his
his
nuptials
on
saturday.
So
if
I
could
have
someone
move
and
second
that
moved
by
council
of
worcester
seconded
by
council,
well
all
those
in
favour,
that's
carried
yeah
confirmation
of.
Did
anyone
have
any
issues
to
raise
with
the
minutes?
A
No,
so
I
might
start
the
minutes
as
council
of
also
did
this
morning
star
the
minutes.
Was
there
any
conflicts
of
interest?
No
okay,
so
we've
got
starred
to
three
four
five
point:
one
six
point:
one
six
point:
two
did
any:
did
someone
want
to
move
those
for
me?
Please.
D
A
He
didn't
have
a
lot
of
sleep
on
the
weekend
with
dmu
work,
all
right.
A
Is
back
on
track
item
6.3
gold
coast
transport
strategy.
A
B
Thank
you,
madam
chair.
We
will
have
a
a
quick
briefing
from
mr
tilley
on
this
one
councillors,
as
he
makes
his
way
out
here.
I'll
just
remind
you
that
when
we
came
to
see
you
in
our
visits
around
budgets,
we
gave
you
a
copy
of
the
discussion
paper
and
we've
put
that
out
there
for
some
feedback.
We'll
give
you
a
quick
overview
of
the
response
on
that
discussion
paper
and
that
could
talk
about
the
status
of
the
state
of
the
transport
network
report.
A
Petey,
haven't
you
haven't
missed
a
lot?
We've
moved
all
the
start.
Items
we're
just
up
to
item
6.3,
which
is
a
gold
coast,
transport
strategy,
yep.
B
A
F
Thank
you,
madam
chair.
Thank
you
councillors
at
a
very
busy
time
for
the
city,
so
I'll
keep
my
presentation
brief
and
certainly
open
up
for
for
some
commentary
and
discussion
about
the
discussion
paper
and
the
proposed
engagement
approach
as
well.
F
Okay,
so
the
purpose
of
today's
report
and
presentation
is
to
give
you
an
update
on
how
we're
progressing
with
the
development
of
the
draft
transport
strategy
2041
following
the
the
mayoral
minute
back
in
october.
2021.
F
We're
also
seeking
to
give
you
an
overview
and
a
get
endorsement
from
you
about
our
proposed
high-level
strategic
engagement
approach
for
the
development
of
the
of
the
draft
strategy
and
then
also
seek
to
get
your
endorsement
about
the
draft
discussion
paper.
As
alton
said
that
we
we
circled
over
the
last
four
or
five
weeks
or
so.
G
How
are
we
sorting
that,
in
terms
of
what's
developed
with
the
strategy,
because
he
expressed
a
need
for
all
of
our
strategy
strategies
to
basically
speak
to
each
other?
And
so
I'm
just
wondering
if
this
is
the
first
one
we
should
be
actually
activating
now
or
whether
the
strategies
that
sit
under
it
require
attention
so
that
we're
sure
they
all
align.
B
Through
you,
madam
chair,
so
what
he
showed
us
is
the
pack.
I
gave
him
to
show
the
current
state,
so
we
have
the
existing
endorsed
transport
strategies
with
the
the
various
plans
underneath.
B
So
so,
that's
all
fine
for
the
moment.
The
ceo's
point
is
that,
as
we
continue
to
develop
new
strategies
and
including
updating
the
existing
transport
strategy
to
this
new
strategy,
we
need
to
talk
between
strategies
in
council.
We've
in
the
existing
transport
strategy
does
to
a
limited
extent.
B
B
Some
of
the
strategies
are
more
marginal.
Like
the
ocean
beaches
strategy,
our
our
development
of
this
strategy
won't
preclude
better
integration.
Okay,
it's
really
it's
updating
that
strategy.
We,
it
gives
us
now
a
better
opportunity,
as
the
ceo
has
said,
to
make
sure
that
all
of
those
things
align.
G
B
F
Think
no,
not
at
all.
Thank
you,
council
gates,
I'll
just
add
that
as
well,
you
don't
mind
alton.
Certainly
the
the
methodology
of
undertaking
over
the
last
probably
12,
plus
months
on
this
has
facilitated
and
a
very
large
amount
of
what
we
call
our
strategy.
Integration
group
meetings
where
our
transport
and
traffic
has
led
those
groups
to
make
sure
that
there
were
very,
very
tangible
touch
points
with
the
other
strategy,
either
existing
or
in
formulation,
including
the
city
plan,
including
the
economic
development
growth
strategy
as
well.
F
We've
done
a
lot
of
work
in
that
space
and,
I
think,
to
credit
to
ben
the
project
manager.
He's
he's
really
sort
of
led
that
integration
away
from
what
you
might
call
the
standard
corporate
integration.
If
that
makes
sense,
it's
about
developing
the
new
strategy
to
make
sure-
and
you
can
see-
hopefully
you'll
see
a
few
slides
time,
some
of
the
visions
and
the
objectives
of
where
we're
up
to
so
far
with
the
discussion
paper.
They're
they're,
really
not
just
about
transport
they're
about
city,
at
lifestyle
and
city
outcomes.
More
broadly.
F
F
F
Over
the
last,
like
I
said,
12
months,
we've
had,
I
think,
we've
been
through
five
steering
committees
so
over
in
a
quarterly
basis,
with
our
internal
delivery
partners
and
also
our
tmr
colleagues
as
well
and
and
griffith
university
and
bond
university,
and
just
to
make
sure
that
we
are
ensuring
that
there
is
a
a
whole
of
city
perspective
and
whole
city
objective
that
we're
seeking
through
this
piece
of
work.
We've
done
a
considerable
amount
of
work
in
this.
F
What
we
call
the
the
strategic
context,
paper
or
environmental
scan-
and
that's
not
just
reflected
a
lot-
is
reflected
in
the
content
of
the
draft
discussion
paper
as
well
again
thinking
looking
at
elements
like
drivers
of
change
and
how
the
city,
how
we
can
best
prepare
ourselves
to
be
ready
for
that
change
and
proactively,
prepare
for
that.
There's
a
series
of
technical
working
papers
that
are
still
being
developed
in
the
background.
F
They
cover
a
lot
of
the
elements
such
as
your
traditional
transport
modes
and
what
where
we
may
have
over
the
next
10
to
20
years,
but
also
some
of
what
you
might
call
your
non-traditional,
emerging
transport,
technical
fields
as
well
like
technology
and
like
disrupters
and
whatnot,
and
we
are,
we
have
done
and
I'll
talk
to
you
a
bit
more
about
this
in
the
next
few
slides
around
doing
a
fairly
considerable
element
of
community
targeted,
community
and
industry
engagement
to
inform
the
development
of
those
papers.
F
So
I'll
start
off
just
before.
I
do
a
very
rapid
overview
of
the
discussion
paper
and
talk
about
the
proposed
engagement
approach.
Now
it
really
is
a
a
multi-faceted
approach
whereby
phases,
one
two
and
three,
the
colored
line
there
you
can
see
on
the
infographic
really
does
show
that
we
are
informing
what
ourselves
are
in
what
the
challenges
are
and
what
the
solutions
might
be.
But
then
we
want
to
test
that
and
verify
that
with
the
broader
city-wide
engagement,
which
is
what
we're
proposing
to
do
at
the
moment.
F
In
may
and
a
couple
of
months
time,
so
we're
not
we're
yes,
we're
aware
of
the
environmental
scan.
Yes,
we're
aware
of
some
very
what
you
might
call
high
level
empirical
more
broad
industry
movements,
and
we
covered
a
lot
of
that
off
when
we
did
the
midlife
strategy
in
2019.
But
what
we've
done
since
then,
and
and
ben's
leadership,
and
with
alan's
direction.
We've
really
focused
on
verifying
and
testing
some
of
those
concepts
with
targeted
user
groups.
F
Now
we've
had
around
then
I'm
going
to
say
around
16
or
so
of
these
targeted
community
and
industry
user
group
dialogues,
ranging
from
seven
participants
to
upwards
of
80
participants,
and
this
is
really
to
make
sure
that
we
we
have
got
a
as
best
possible
understanding
of
the
bespoke
needs
of
the
gold
coast
community,
and
you
can
see
that
hopefully
reflected
through
there's
a
page
in
the
discussion
paper
which
has
around
nine
personas
and
what
we're
trying
to
do.
F
There
is
make
sure
that
we
have
covered
all
bases
around
the
the
user
experience
of
the
current,
but
also
of
the
the
next
10
to
20
years
worth
of
transport
system.
I'll
come
back
onto
that
concept
in
a
second,
so
first
bit
of
city-wide
engagement
around
this
that
phase
one
two
three,
then
we
go
again.
We
verify
that
with
the
public's
feedback,
we
then
go
away
and
work
with
our
smes
and
work
with
our
internal
partners
working
on
some
strategy
and
policy
design.
F
We
develop
a
draft
transport
strategy
and
then
we
go
back
out
to
community
consultation
around
about
12
months
time
to
see
whether
we've
got
it
right
and
to
make
sure
that
we've
heard
what
people
have
said
and
we've
listened
to
the
feedback
from
constituents
from
yourselves
from
users
of
the
transport
system
in
advance
of
crossing
tees
on
the
eyes
and
then
launching
the
strategy
in
sort
of
mid
to
late
2023,
next
slide
sort
of
tells
that
similar
story
in
a
in
a
time
slice.
F
So
you
can
see
there
really
with
there's
a
parallel
body
of
work.
That's
been
ongoing
for
the
last
few
months
to
a
point
where
now
we
feel-
and
we
hope
with
your
support-
that
we're
ready
to
do
some
broader
community
engagement
about
the
concepts
within
the
discussion
paper,
and
that
is
really
around
those.
The
challenges
that
we
might
face
as
a
result
of
change
and
what
we
think
some
of
the
solutions
might
be,
but
the
solution
space
is
certainly
where
we're
trying
to.
F
I
think,
strike
the
right
balance
between
not
going
out
with
too
many
solutions
at
this
point
in
time,
but
to
validate
some
of
the
things
that
form
part
of
our
technical
working
papers
which
remain
sort
of
back
of
house
at
the
moment.
But
they've
informed
some
of
the
concepts
within
the
discussion
paper
and
some
of
those
early
visioning
and
objectives
that
you
will
see
towards
the
back
of
the
document.
F
The
draft
discussion
paper
itself,
I
mean,
there's
a
whole
lot
of
concepts
that
we've
introduced
in
here
now.
Certainly,
the
architecture
of
the
document
is
a
conscious
one
around
introducing
more
macro
concepts
of
change
and
the
ability
for
us
as
a
city
to
be
proactive
in
preparing
for
the
change,
there's
some
inevitabilities
of
change
in
the
transport
system
and
in
relation
to
the
spatial
design
of
the
city
and
the
demographic
design
of
the
city,
but
then
also
making
sure
that
you
know
we're
aware
of
some
vision-led
planning
that
we
think.
F
Well,
you
know
we.
We
are
of
the
belief
that
we
we
might
be
able
to
provide
some
more
not.
We
might
call
non-traditional
transport
solutions
which
might
contribute
to
some
local
place,
making
outcomes
transport
system
outcomes
that
really
do
form
part
of
that
safe
and
sustainable
transport
system.
We
are
aiming
for
over
the
next
several
years
we
introduce
the
the
community
in
the
plausible
scenarios.
You
can
see,
I
think,
in
one
of
the
paintings,
the
top
of
the
the
page
to
the
right
of
the
screen
there.
F
Where
we
talk
about
look,
there's
not
one
plausible
scenario:
there's
a
whole
host
of
plausible
scenarios
for
this
20-year
time
frame
of
planning
horizon
what
we're
looking
at.
So
yes,
there'll
be
some
members
of
the
community
and
some
parts
of
the
transport
system
user
community,
who
will
do
the
status
quo
and
we
understand
that
we're
not
trying
to
be
too
ideological
by
saying
everyone.
We
need
everyone
to
make
massive
changes.
F
The
way
they
use
the
system,
but
we
know
that
there
are
parts
of
the
community
and
certainly
the
feedback
we've
had
from
our
user
groups,
thus
far,
who
absolutely
do
want
to
make
that
change,
and
some
of
the
feedback
that
ben
and
the
team
have
had
from
the
youth
we've
had
some
targeted
youth
engagement
already
there's
a
high
degree
of
interest
in
that
from
from
there.
Those
are
engaged
thus
far,
which
was
one
I
think,
one
of
the
biggest
user
groups.
F
We
did
an
informal
presentation
to
the
junior
council
a
week
or
so
ago,
in
advance
of
taking
them.
The
document
more
formally
like
we
are
today
on
the
4th
of
may,
and
certainly
the
appetite
for
digital
accessibility
and
the
use
of
technology
and
the
shared
economy
is
really
coming
coming
very
strongly
through
the
feedback
we're
getting
from
the
youth
and
we
also
identify
towards
the
back
of
the
document.
F
You
know
to
embracing
technology
for
change,
positive
change
to
deliver
that
safe
and
sustainable
access
and
choice
of
access
as
well,
making
sure
that
there's
realistic
choice
for
all
members
of
the
community,
no
matter
what
their
mobility
ability
is
to
move
about
the
city
if
they
choose
to
do
so,
how
we
contribute
towards
the
city's
sustainability
and
resilience,
and
that's
formats,
forms
a
big
part
of
the
federal
government's
australian
infrastructure
plan
from
last
year
as
well,
making
sure
that
we
are
as
resilient
as
possible
and
more
so
than
the
last
few
days,
to
remind
us
of
that,
and
also
to
provide
opportunity
for
that.
F
F
Excuse
me,
the
there's,
there's
a
whole
lot
of
ways
we're
intending
on
engaging
with
the
community
about
the
discussion
paper.
There's
some
of
your
traditional
means.
Obviously,
we've
got
hard
copies
of
the
document
which
will
disseminate
around
the
city,
but
we're
also
doing
a
lot
of
online
pieces
of
work.
There
was
a
project
landing
page.
F
You
can
see
the
center
of
the
spider
diagram
there
whereby
we'll
be
hoping
sure,
there's
a
source
of
truth
for
us
as
a
project
team
for
yourselves
as
elected
representatives,
to
make
sure
you
can
go
to
and
have
that
source
of
truth
for
all
sorts
of
information,
and
a
myriad
of
ways
in
which
your
constituents
and
the
community
more
broadly,
can
can
provide
value
through
this
process.
F
So
really
that
the
whole
emphasis
about
this
phase
of
the
project
engagement
process
is
to
build
awareness
about
the
transport
strategy
is
to
make
sure
that
people
do
feel
informed
and
feel
empowered
to
make
to
provide
that
feedback
through
whatever
means
they're
most
comfortable
doing.
We
will
aim
to
do
some
more
traditional
engagements,
such
as
location,
pop-ups,
we're
still
working
through
exactly
what
that
looks
like
with
our
corporate
communications.
F
Colleagues,
but
certainly
would
be
welcome
feedback
from
the
committee
today
about
the
level
of
involvement
of
your
divisional
offices
and
the
coverage
that
you'd
like
to
see
from
our
project
team
and
how
and
how
extensive
we
are
with
those
locational
pop-ups.
F
We've
got
some
pretty
snazzy
digital
experience
tools,
they're
in
the
mix
at
the
moment
as
well,
which
are
going
through
some
final
fine
tuning
and
certainly
the
paper
itself
is
being
produced
and
designed
in
a
way
that
it's
very
easy
to
consume
in
a
digital
version,
as
well
as
a
a
hard
copy
version,
and
certainly
if
people,
I
think,
ben.
If
people
want
to
read
two
pages,
then
they
give
us
feedback
on
two
pages,
and
if
people
want
to
read
the
25
30
pages,
then
they're
more
than
welcome
to
do
that
as
well.
F
So
we're
not
it's
not
a
you.
Don't
need
to
answer
100
questions
to
provide
valid
feedback,
so
we've
tried
to
be
as
thoughtful
as
possible
about
making
sure
that
people
are
as
engaged
as
possible,
not
not
only
from
a
subject
matter
interest,
point
of
view,
but
from
the
ability
to
them
to
to
provide
feedback
in
a
fairly
time
effective
way.
F
So
I'll
move
to
the
recommendations
to
madam
chair
is
that
we
note
the
contents
of
the
report
and
that
council
endorses
the
proposed
engagement
approach
and
the
release
of
the
draft
discussion
paper
and
that
will
bring
back
an
interim
report.
I
think
in
earl,
I'm
going
to
say
around
early
in
2223
to
the
committee
to
provide
feedback
on
the
the
engagement
process
through
through
ideally
through
may
this
year.
Thank
you
manager.
D
And
thank
you
through
your
chat
to
matt
for
that
presentation,
and
I
fully
appreciate
that
this
body
of
work
has
been
prompted
by.
Amongst
other
things,
I
think
it
was
a
merrill
minute
and
I
think
there
are
we
know
from
a
workshop.
We
had
last
week
or
the
week
before,
they're,
probably
fewer
issues
more
important
to
our
community
than
the
way
in
which
transport
looks
moving
forward,
because
you
know
a
failure
of
the
transport
system
is
actually
a
failure
of
the
promise
of
the
gold
coast
just
to
provide
some
context.
D
D
On
page
10,
I
think
it
is,
we've
got
the
statement
from
a
griffith
university
person,
and
I
say
the
current
area
allocated
to
the
road
network
on
the
gold
coast
is
larger
than
springbrook
national
park.
Okay,
this
demonstrates
how
much
land
is
allocated
to
transport,
okay
and
why
it
is
important
for
us
to
use
land
efficiently
and
productively.
I'm
going
to
circle
back
to
that.
It
also
highlights
the
importance
of
roads
and
streets
as
public
play
spaces
for
people.
D
So
just
wanted
to
draw
your
attention
to
that,
because,
on
the
very
next
page
on
that
spread
between
12
and
13.,
we've
got
this
almost
like
a
utopian
existence.
I
mean
who
would
not
want
to
live
in
this
environment,
but
I
have
to
say
my
estimation
of
the
probability
of
us
living
in
that
world
is
zero
percent.
D
I
I
totally
understand
that
we
want
to
soften
the
interface
between
our
dwellings
and
our
roads,
but
I
know
that
in
that
type
of
built
up
environment
and
varsity
lakes
actually
looks
a
lot
like.
Some
of
these
renders
there's
going
to
be
a
plethora
of
vehicles,
there's
going
to
be
a
pronounced
parking
shortage
because
we
don't
necessarily
have
the
housing
supply
and
we're
not
going
to
have
parents
who
are
comfortable
having
their
children
playing
on
a
median
strip
in
lieu
of
a
good
park.
D
So
I
my
feeling
is,
if
you
had
to
ask
a
punter
on
the
ground,
if
you've
got
a
choice
between
your
kids
playing
ball
on
a
traffic
calming
device
or
they're
being
indented
parking
bays
on
a
nature
strip,
they're
going
to
go
for
the
ladder,
not
the
former.
So
I
I
think
that's
a
little
bit
of
the.
I
think
the
discussion
papers
too
aspirational
and
to
go
back
to
the
griffith
university
comment.
D
D
But
having
a
flick
through
the
discussion
paper,
I
don't
actually
see
many
tests
on
how
we're
going
to
measure
that
productivity
I
mean.
Are
we
looking
at
the
economic
cost
of
you
know
a
project
and
its
potential
benefits
the
cost
of
congestion,
I'm
not
seeing
much
in
the
discussion
paper
around
what
success
looks
like
and
whether
we
are
achieving
this.
The
objectives
of
that
motherhood
statement
around
productivity
and
efficiency
and
I'll
make
one.
Last
observation
before
coming
to
my
pointed
questions,
it
seems
as
though
the
discussion
paper
edges
us
towards
a
different
planning
approach.
D
Then
council
may
be
headed
down.
So
if
you
had
to
ask
me
as
a
city
representative
councillor,
what
are
we
doing
with
public
transport
and
the
economy
and
city
planning
and
yada
yada
yada
I'd
immediately
say
to
people?
Well,
we
want
a
city
where
people
live
and
work
as
close
to
public
transport,
and
our
big
public
transport
projects
are
the
light
rail
extension
of
the
heavy
rail
and
east-west
bustlings,
and
for
me
that
tells
the
story
of
a
city
that
develops
intensity
and
curates
development
outcomes
around
corridors.
D
Maybe
it's
not
the
work
of
this
discussion
paper
to
bump
us
in
any
particular
direction,
but
I
I
really
would
have
thought
that
would
be
focusing
on
the
light
rail
corridor
when
we're
talking
about
economic
activity.
So
my
questions
are
on
page
seven,
we've
got
some
questions
and
I'm
assuming
that
the
watermelon
colored
breakout
boxes
are
there,
questions
for
which
we're
prompting
or
soliciting
community
feedback
in
the
engagement
process.
Is
that
correct.
F
D
So,
like
the
digital
accessibility
piece
is
interesting.
So
if
I
ask
someone,
how
often
do
you
currently
use
online
means
to
meet
your
access
needs
at
this
point
in
time?
I
think
we're
going
to
get
a
resounding
very
frequently,
because
kids
are
either
working
remotely.
We've
had
a
big
weather
event.
There
was
a
work-at-home
order
at
this
current
moment
in
time
everybody's
touched
by
this
digital.
D
You
know
digital
reality,
whether
or
not
it's
an
enduring
change
to
the
way
work
happens.
I
don't
know,
I
think
the
jury's
still
out
on
it
and
then,
when
we
ask
how
often
do
you
think
you
will
use
online
means
in
the
future
to
access
things?
I'm
not
sure
whether
the
question
is
sophisticated
enough
to
provide
us
with
anything,
that's
incisive
or
will
provide
us
with
strong
support
for
a
particular
policy
direction,
because
for
me
it's
like
yeah.
D
D
How
important
do
you
think
it
is
for
the
gold
coast
to
plan
for
a
sustainable
and
resilient
future?
Again,
I
fear
it's.
It's
almost
like
a
tokenistic
question,
we're
asking
a
question
for
which
we
already
know
the
answer
and
I'm
unsure
whether
it's
actually
going
to
inform
a
judgment
around
what
our
transport
system
looks.
I
I
just
worry,
we're
it's
almost
like
a
loaded
question,
so
I
think
your
communications
experts
need
to
try
and
provide
some
advice
around
how
the
correct
questions
can
underpin
or
challenge
some
assumptions
on.
D
D
Unless
the
planning
framework
or
the
city
plan
or
a
body
of
work
in
the
city
plan,
is
shifting
us
to
that,
I
worry
that
we're
putting
a
transport
overlay
on
top
of
something-
that's
not
for
purpose.
It's
like
misaligned,
and
I
look
at
varsity
lakes
for
example,
which
again,
I
think,
would
meet
some
of
the
utopian
aspirations
in
this.
This
brochure,
its
high
street,
is
struggling
right.
D
It's
high
street
is
really
struggling
and
I'm
not
sure
if
that's
an
economic
thing
or
it's
a
planning
thing
or
whatever
it
is,
but
there
are
lots
of
people,
thousands
within
a
walking
catchment
of
that
commercial
precinct
and
it's
struggling.
I
look
at
tetera
ave.
You
know
we
could
keep
on.
I
guess
what
I'm
saying
is.
D
I
don't
think
that
there's
a
dearth
of
these
neighborhood
centers
that
have
huge
walking
catchments,
but
notwithstanding
that
they're
struggling
and
I'm
not
sure
that
it's
actually
going
to
be
supported
by
better
transport,
I
haven't
got
an
answer
to
that
personally,
but
if
we
were
making
big
changes
to
our
thinking
around
transport
to
support
those
outcomes,
I
worry
that
the
model's
already
struggling
and.
D
I
think
people
who
read
this
discussion
paper
and
expect
a
transport
strategy,
we'll
ask
the
question
in
the
process:
what's
what's
in
it
for
me,
what
is
the
city
like?
D
What
people's
tastes
and
preferences
are
rather
than
this
is
our
strategy
to
make
us
a
more
productive
gold
coast,
because
I
worry
we're
not
there
anyway.
Thank
you
for
your
indulgence.
I
appreciate
it.
I'll
put
some
questions
are
expecting
to
be
taken
on
notice,
but
in
fairness
to
city
offices.
I
just
want
to
lay
on
the
table.
B
B
So
in
the
discussions
I've
had
with
officers,
the
most
important
thing
is
that
this
is
not
a
transport
strategy.
This
is
meant
to
be
provocative.
This
is
meant
to
get
people
to
think
and
and,
as
you
concluded,
their
council
of
worster,
it's
that
sort
of
broad
brush
stroke
stuff.
What
what
do
you
really
want?
B
So
I
absolutely
take
your
point
with
some
of
the
question
questions
and-
and
they
do
need
to
be-
I
think
when
matt
and
I
had
some
discussions
recently,
I
think
they
could
be
a
little
bit
improved.
B
B
What
is
the
role
of
this
document
in
the
process
from
now
on,
so
that
that's
a
very
clear
point
that
we
can
take
on
board
the
digital
accessibility
question
you're
right,
but
there's
a
very
large
cohort
of
people
in
the
city
who
are
old
and
a
lot
of
those
older
people.
We
know
because
they
contact
us
all
the
time.
They're
not
particularly
digitally
conversant.
B
So
part
of
this
is
to
try
and
gauge
when
we
do
our
community
engagement
a
broader
way
than
than
the
people,
the
younger
people
and
the
people
who
are
more
digital
savvy.
What
might
they
want
to
see
because
we
might
be
hearing
from
people
to
say
I
can
you
can
give
us
all
this
stuff
electronically,
but
I
still
have
a
need
for
for
real
tickets
or
or
parking
meters
that
actually
accept
money,
those
sorts
of
things.
So
again,
it's
a
bit
provocative
to
try
and
get
those
sort
of
comments.
B
The
difference
between
I
hear
what
you're
saying
around
the
centers,
but
we
also
know
that,
particularly
in
the
growing
north
of
of
the
city,
there
isn't
that
relationship
with
the
centres
that
we
would
like
to
see
so
again
we're
we're
putting
it
out
there
around
a
relationship
between
people
and
the
centers
in
which
they
live,
which
exists
in
probably
the
area
of
the
city
south
of
the
kumara
river,
but
doesn't
say
much
north.
B
So
that
would
then
lead
us
to
the
next
discussion
and
what
do
they
want
to
see
in
their
area
and
more
particularly,
what
do
they
want
to
see
about
their
own
experience,
and
I
think
you
really
hit
the
nail
on
the
head
with
your
final
comments
there.
Whatever
we
come
up
with,
ultimately,
as
a
transport
strategy
needs
to
address,
not
just
community
broad
concerns,
but
the
individual
needs-
and
that
is
a
challenge
for
us.
D
D
So
if,
if
it's
not
the
strategy,
I
think
I
think
we
need
a
different
name
for
it.
So,
like
absolutely
agree,
the
future
transport
preference
survey
or
whatever
it
is.
What's
someone
say
discussion
paper?
Well,
I
I
just
don't
think
that's
even
clear
enough
to
the
community
right.
D
The
second
thing
that
I
think
is
missing
in
here
is:
it
actually
makes
no
attempt
to
prioritize
the
the
range
of
issues
in
the
survey
so,
for
example,
having
a
you
know
utopian
streetscape
may
people
might
like
it,
but
they're
actually
more
concerned
with
you
know
having
frequent
public
transport
that
takes
them
to
employment.
D
D
D
A
And
I'll
go
to
each
of
you
in
a
minute
just
a
little
bit
of
feedback
on
that.
Oh,
what
back
at
you
again
councillor
boerster
is.
Is
it
on
page
12
and
13
you're
saying?
Is
it
too
aspirational?
A
It
seemed
to
me
that,
with
that
bottom
picture
there
it's
sort
of
based
on
our
planning
meetings,
almost
like
what
we're
working
towards
that
outcome
for
the
sky
ridge
estate.
So
this
would
be
if
we
had
a
blank
canvas
to
start
with.
Is
this
the
sort
of
thing
that
you
would
experience
and
then
the
top
one?
There
is
basically
that's
what
we're
working
with
before
so
get
input
that
you
know
will
come
halfway
between,
because
most
of
us
will
compare.
A
D
Well,
as
what
we've
got
yeah,
so
thanks
thanks,
madam
chair,
so
I've
been,
for
my
own
part,
attempting
to
strip
out
as
much
of
that
over,
in
my
view,
over
embellishment
out
of
skyridge,
because
the
problem
with
these
sorts
of
assets
is
that
they
become
very
expensive
to
maintain.
So
they
contributed
assets
and
over
time
we
need
to
fund
them
and
unless
there's
a
special
levy
placed
over
skyridge,
every
other
rate
payer
is
going
to
fund
this
standard
of
embellishment.
D
A
And
quite
possibly,
yes,
based
on
the
urban
precinct
work
that
we've
been
doing
around
nobbies
and
around
birmingham
miami
and
those
reports
will
come
back
to
us.
Is
people
aren't
looking
for
utopian,
but
they're,
certainly
not
looking
for
that.
So,
and
that
was
we've
got
a
very
broad
spectrum
of
people
within
those
groups.
D
Totally
madam
chair,
and
can
I
just
support
what
you're
saying
I
think
the
difference
is
ravina
dales
we
get
a
bus
that
runs
once
an
hour,
but
no
people
benefit
from
the
light
rail
and
for
me,
that's
when
we
have
an
opportunity
to
create
utopia,
which
is
why
I
made
the
point
earlier.
D
A
G
G
G
G
B
B
I
asked
the
question:
why
wasn't
traffic
congestion
there
and
I
I
think
the
answer
is
that
it's
implicit
and
it
probably
needs
to
be
explicit.
You
know
why
do
people
why
they
in
the
feedback
that
we've
got
to
date,
which
is
driving
us
to
the
content
in
this
paper?
Why
isn't
it
specifically
relating
to
the
road
net?
When
I,
I
think
people
think
that
we're
doing
that
anyway,
our
fault
is
probably
we
haven't
called
it
out
enough.
We
haven't
seen
and
by
the
way,
here's
all
these
other
things
that
we're
doing
around
the
road
network.
B
We've
tended
to
concentrate
on
oh
yeah.
Well
we're
going
to
do
that,
but
here's
some
other
things
that
you
can
do.
We've
concentrated
on
those
other
things,
so
something
I
think
we
need
to
do
is
to
make
that
more
explicit
and
in
terms
of
the
feedback
today
so
far,
I
I
totally
agree
with
what
you're
saying
here,
and
that
has
been
my
commentary
to
date
too.
B
I
worry
about
expectations
being
raised
here,
so
I
think
we
can
temper
the
expectations
in
terms
of
the
graphics
and
the
and
and
the
discussion
around
the
streetscape
component,
as
council
of
orchards
turned
it
and
he's
right.
I
think
the
other
thing
we
need
to
do
is
to
call
out.
Why
are
we
having
a
dialogue
around
transport?
It's
because
you're
all
worried
about
being
stuck
in
traffic
here
are
the
things
that
we
are
doing
on
the
road
network.
Exactly
what
you
have
said.
We've
designed
these
estates.
B
We
continue
to
invest
in
the
road
network
planning
and
all
of
those
things
that
we
do
to
keep
traffic
moving
freely,
so
the
road
network
we
haven't
called
out
enough,
but
then
there's
these
other
things
that
people
who
you
know
are
assuming
that
we're
addressing
all
of
those
things
here
are
some
other
things
that
we
can
do.
So
I
think,
there's
probably
some
more
that
we
can
do
in
that
that
I'll
throw.
F
To
you
on
that,
no
thanks
alan
and
thank
you
councillors
for
your
feedback.
I'm
happy
to
absolutely
get
the
feedback
on
this.
We
consciously
tried
not
to
go
too
much
in
the
solution
space
in
this
document
towards
the
back
and
it's
after
page
23,
20
pages
24
onwards.
F
We
have
sought
to
recognize
that
we
we
still
have
just
what
we
do
in
the
transport
strategy:
2031
a
multi-modal
approach
to
managing
growth,
managing
congestion
in
the
city
as
well,
so
without
getting
into
the
explicit
just
repeating
things
that
might
already
be
in
planning
documents
already
like
the
the
existing
strategy
or
the
midlife
review,
or
the
the
the
2021
queensland
regional
transport,
the
southeast
queensland
transport
regional
transport
plan
as
well.
F
So
we've
consciously
I'm
happy
to
take
some
feedback
if
you
want
to
do
some
teasers,
if
you
like
of
information
about,
what's
been,
what's
been
contemplated
over
the
20
years,
but
we've
tried
to
try
to
reign
a
little
bit
too
for
this
artifact
to
focus
a
little
bit
more
on
verifying
the
challenges
and
what
some
of
the
communities
solutions
might
be.
You
know
we
want
to
embrace
that
that
creativity
and
embrace
ideas,
but
certainly
comments,
so
something
we'll
make.
G
It
would
be
good,
too,
I
mean
on
pages
20
and
21,
where
we
have
autonomous
vehicles,
electric
vehicles.
What
people
want
is
improved
public
transport
services,
and
I
know
we
allocated
that
11.5
million
dollars
some
time
ago
for
improved
transport
services
in
the
north,
but
the
state
hasn't
come
back
to
us
on
that.
Yet
to
my
knowledge,
and
so
that's
a
year
down
the
track
that
we
could
have
had
an
improvement
that
might
help
congestion
in
the
northern
part
of
the
city.
G
B
Through
you,
madam
chair,
you're,
right
and
no
doubt
our
next
transport
strategy
will
do
exactly
what
our
current
transport
strategy
has
done
and
call
those
things
out
and
lead
the
state
in
terms
of
the
investment.
So,
as
you
know,
the
current
transport
strategy
set
the
map
for
light
rail
investment.
They
wouldn't
have
done
stage
two
unless
it
was
there
in
our
transport
strategy.
So
we
mapped
that
out.
We
we've
foreshadowed
bus,
rapid
transit
with
we've,
basically
foreshadowed
in
the
in
the
transport
strategy
for
the
city.
This
one
network
approach
that
all
agencies
have
taken.
B
I
just
come
back
to
that
that
this
is
just
a
discussion
paper
so,
but
taking
your
feedback
on
on
board,
we
need
to
create
more
discussion
around
the
elements
that
you're
talking
about,
instead
of
just
assuming
that
all
of
that
stuff
is
taken
as
read.
I.
G
F
I
Thank
you,
madam
chair
I'd,
just
start
by
following
up
on
one
comment
on
that
last
thing
is
within
those
questions
is
also
to
ask
people
how
the
weather
influences
them,
because
there's
a
lot
of
people
who
won't
want
to
walk
200
meters
in
the
middle
of
february,
because
it's
too
hot
and
for
us
to
consider
those
elements.
I
I
just
wanted
to
ask
for
me
when
we're
looking
at
a
new
document
like
this.
I
personally
find
it
really
helpful
to
understand
the
last
document,
and
I
get
this
is
the
discussion
paper.
This
isn't
the
strategy,
but
it's
the
discussion
paper.
So
we
have
the
strategy.
I
I,
for
some
reason
this
economist
that
used
to
come
to
my
work
is
coming
into
mind
and
the
reason
why
he
we
really
liked
him
is
he'd
come
around
once
a
year
and
he'd
say
last
year
I
told
you,
the
aussie
dollar
would
be
at
this
point
at
this
time.
This
is
how
I
was
right.
This
is
how
I
was
wrong
whatever,
so
what
I
haven't
got
a
real
feel
for
is
there's
some
points
in
here.
I
Yes,
what
was
great
about
the
transport
strategy
is
the
advocacy
work
for
those
bigger
projects
getting
ready
for
the
commonwealth
games
and
then
there's
one
point
at
the
back
where
it
says
effectively.
I
Yes,
we
did
good
stuff,
but
we
haven't
been
able
to
provide
an
attractive
alternative
to
the
private
vehicle,
and
that
seems
that
kind
of
fundamental
point,
but
rather
than
so,
I've
got
a
question
so
we're
20
22
at
the
moment.
Is
it
normal?
Is
it
normal
practice
that
we
would
stop
a
2011
to
2031
strategy?
I
B
Through
you,
madam
chair,
the
the
planning
framework,
we're
basically
replicating
the
normal
planning
framework,
so
we've
got
a
a
2031
document.
The
state
have
released
a
2041
document
now
so
we're
trying
to
update
it
in
line
with,
I
guess
the
state
that's
part
of
it.
It
is
the
normal
lifespan
of
a
document
that
might
say
it's
20
years
to
have
an
actual
10-year
before
we
go
and
do
aspirational
next
20
years.
The
australian
infrastructure
plan
that
was
released
in
august
calls
for
us
to
be
doing
40-year
plans,
which
is
a
new
one.
B
So
we
think
that
we're
in
sync
with
the
the
states
and
the
federal
government's
normal
planning
horizons.
Okay,
so
to
that's
partially
the
answer
to
your
question.
The
other
part
is
that
there
has
been
significant
technological
change.
Yeah
and
I
recall
at
the
launch
of
city
plan
andrew.
I
think
his
first
name
is
andrew
yarwood,
who
used
to
be
the
lord
mayor
of
adelaide.
Was
there
as
a
guest
speaker
and
he
said,
look
any
transport
strategy
that
doesn't
mention
connected
an
autonomous
vehicles
and
blah
blah
blah
blah
blah.
B
Isn't
any
good
and
we'd
only
just
reached
released
ours
and
didn't
mention
any
of
those
things,
because
that
was
on
the
cusp
of
technological
change
in
2013
and
is
absolutely
here
now
no
15
000
tesla
sold
in
australia
last
year.
It
is
here
so
our
current
transport
strategy
was
it's
very
good.
It
doesn't
have
that
forward.
Focus.
It
doesn't
have
that
technological
change,
so
you
know,
there's
there's
just
two
reasons
as
to
why
we
are
doing
this
now:
okay,.
I
And-
and
that's
spoken
to
in
here
that
you've
done,
though,
that
those
are
why,
I
suppose,
what
I'd
be,
what
I'd
find
helpful
and
I
don't
know
whether
you
can
provide
it-
is
okay
for
our
strategy,
our
2031..
This
is
how
far
on
track.
We
are.
These
are
the
things
that
we're
so
far
away
from
achieving
and
they're
the,
and
do
we
actually
want
to
achieve
them,
and-
and
my
guess
is
that
one
statement
you've
got
in
the
back-
that
we
have
not
been
able
to
provide
a
viable
alternative
to
the
private
car.
B
Through
madam
chair
not
entirely,
I
mean
we
were
certainly
thinking
about
that,
but
it
isn't
up
to
the
city
of
gold
coast
to
come
up
with
an
alternative
where
we're
led
by
market
forces
and
global
forces.
There
was
an
anticipation-
I
I
I
guess
back
in
2012
2013,
that
there'd
be
some
sort
of
technological
change.
I
don't
think
we
ever
contemplated
the
car
would
be
replaced
and
I
don't
think
we
do
in
this
document
either.
I
I
think
it's
changing,
I'm
not
talking
about
technology
technology,
I'm
talking
about
an
attractive
alternative
for
someone
getting
in
their
own
car.
I
mean
getting
on
a
bus
getting
on
a
bike
and
in
the
2031
there
was
images
that
there'd
be.
You
know
full-on
bike
rails
down
the
gold
coast
highway
and
things
like
that.
We
haven't
achieved
and
we're
not
going
to
achieve
those
things.
So
what
would
be
helpful
is
okay,
what
we
didn't
do
in
2031
strategy,
where
we
have
where
we've
hit
the
board,
where
we
haven't
hit
the
board.
I
So
then
we
know
do
we
actually
want
to
hit
that
going
forward?
And
why
didn't
we?
And
why
could
we?
So
that's
just
the
first
thing
and
the
second
thing
was
the
stats
that
you've
got
and
I
get
you're
limited
by
what
stats
you
have
access
to,
but
they
don't
add
up
and
they're
and
they're
they're
dated
so
the
the
how
many
people
we've
got
here.
You've
said:
we've
got
a
population
of
650
000.
I
You
said
we're
expecting
290
000
more
between
now
and
2041,
and
we're
going
to
have
an
up
a
population
over
a
million.
Well,
those
numbers
don't
add
up
to
start
with.
I
also
don't
think
that
we're
probably
at
650
000.
Now
those
were
figures
from
almost
four
years
ago.
We
really
should
be
factoring
in.
There
must
have
been
some
pretty
major
growth
over
the
last
year
and
I
don't
know
how
you
put
that
data
in,
but
I
don't
think
we.
B
F
Three
minute
chair,
well
double
check
that
councillor
patterson,
I
know
recently:
we've
verified
the
resident
population,
the
gold
coast,
just
under
650
000..
That
was
done.
I'm
sure
that
was
done
mid
last
mid
last
year,
so
it's
fairly
contemporary
I'll
double
check
the
source
to
make
sure
we're
not
citing
an
older
source
from
what
we
need
to,
because
I'm
sure
we're
at
645
000.
well,.
I
If
we're
650
and
you're
saying
we
are
getting
290
000
more
well,
how
are
we
over
a
million
then?
So
I
don't
know.
A
I
I
So
I'll
just
leave
it
on
that.
I
get
the
data
bits
tricky,
but
I
think
population
trends
are
shifting
and
it's
something
we
should
consider
and
just
on
that
yeah
look.
This
is
what
2031
was.
This
is
why
we're
now
looking
at
yeah.
Thank
you.
B
So
through
you,
madam
chair
councilman
patterson,
I
think
there's
a
what
you've
highlighted
is
there's
a
context
piece.
That's
missing
here
that
I
and
I
think
that
would
be
very
useful
for
people
contemplating
a
new
transport
strategy
and
it's
it's
not
a
bad
thing
to
do.
I
know
it's
a
discussion
paper,
but
it
doesn't
hurt
contemplation
of
that
discussion
to
say
well.
How
did
we
do
with
2031?
C
B
Through
you,
madam
chair,
yes,
it's
very
similar.
We
haven't
really
got
going.
We
haven't
got
to
the
part
where
you
can
see
the
meat
on
the
bone.
Yet
this
is
the
first
tentative
steps
right,
so
the
meat
on
the
bone,
if
we
can
go
back
to
maybe
the
slide
that
shows
the
time
frame.
So
I
don't
know
if
we're
able
to
go
to
that.
Please
sandy.
B
So
it's
about
third
slide
in.
I
think
third
or
fourth
keep
going
that
one.
So
you
see
where
we
are
today
and
what
we've
got
to
go.
So
it's
it's
really
the
very
beginning.
So
this
was
to
get
the
paper
dirty.
This
is
the
discussion
paper
to
to
put
it
out
there
to
say.
Well,
you
know
tell
us
how
you're
feeling
folks
and
from
then
we
craft
it,
and
you
know
the
eventual
document
is
going
to
be
as
technical
and
as
focused
as
the
current
one.
C
So
I
mean,
I
think,
I'm
just
picking
up
on
the
what
I
feel
is
the
vibe
generally
and
that
we're
talking
about
a
bit
too
much
fluff
and
not
enough
focus
on
the
actual
issues
as
they
hit
the
ground.
So
I
think
we're
setting
people
up
for
a
theoretical
discussion
around
whether
they
want
to
fly
to
work
in
an
autonomous
hovercraft.
Like
george
jetson,
you
know
what
I
mean
like
I
I
feel
like
we're
just
a
this
is
aimed
a
little
bit
pitched
a
little
bit
too
much
at
that.
C
C
C
It
seems
like
you're
trying
to
dress
this
up,
that
a
normal
residential
detached
dwelling
street
can
look
like
that
bottom
picture
with
all
of
those
people
miraculously
there,
and
it's
just
that's
just
actually
not
real
so
like
that
really
is
creating
a
false
ex
expectation.
And
in
addition
to
that,
I
reflect
on
councillor
patterson's
issues
in
williams
strait,
where
there
was
significant
landscaping
in
trees
that
were
out
into
the
road
and
all
this
sort
of
stuff
and
then
they've
got
to
go.
C
And
then
you
want
to
put
new
ones
back
in
and
they
won't
get
they're
not
allowed
to
go
back
in.
You
know
like
we.
Actually,
I
don't
think
we
could
do
that,
even
if
we
wanted
to
right
now
under
normal
operating
conditions
of
council,
and
then
I
look
at
dickson
drive
at
pimpama
like
we
had
to
go
back
in
and
plant
all
these
trees
and
council.
Hamill
will
know
that
straight.
C
C
C
C
G
G
And
we
can,
can,
I
say,
don't
beat
yourself
up
too
much.
You
did
the
right
thing
and
tried
to
make
appointments
to
brief
all
of
us,
and
so
you
know
it.
It's
not
that
bad.
It's
just
that
as
grassroots
politicians,
we
recognize
the
main
thing
for
people
is
what's
achievable,
to
help
them
get
around
our
city
more
more
easily.
So
it's
not
a
criticism.
Oh.
B
And
thank
you
councillor
gates,
and
it's
really
important,
though,
that
what
we
put
out
on
your
behalf
is,
is
you
know
it
meets
the
expectation
of
you
all
and
the
the
commentary
that
you've
raised
today.
As
I
say,
it's
not
that
different
to
the
comment
that
I
gave
matt
and
the
team
recently,
so
I
I
think
that
there's
we're
absolutely
heading
in
the
right
direction.
H
Thanks
chad,
well,
let's
rounded
itself
to
a
pretty
good
decision
point
I
think,
and
I'm
happy
that
that's
occurred.
When
I
looked
at
this,
it
sort
of
sung
inspired
by
lifestyle
to
me,
and
it
doesn't
mean
a
lot
and
I
just
wanted
to
hug
back.
H
It
seems
to
me
that
one
of
our
concerns
or
problems,
fundamental
concerns
and
problems,
is
that
we
don't
really
have
a
strong
vision
of
where
we're
heading
and
a
key
thing
that
informed
the
decisions
about
light
rail
was
the
city
determined
it
very
clearly
what
its
vision
was.
It
engaged
with
the
community.
It
inspired
people
to
try
to
contribute
ideas
and
aspirations
without
necessarily
having
a
lot
of
fundamental
knowledge
of
those
things.
H
If
you
know
kids
in
school
or
old
people
about
technology,
about
lifestyle,
about
the
vision
for
the
city,
what
we
really
wanted
it
to
look
like
in
at
that
stage
we're
looking
at
2013
and
beyond
once
that
was
determined,
we
were
able
to
make
key
decisions
like
well.
What
do
we
need
to
do
to
get
there?
H
Well,
number
one
is
we're
going
to
build
a
light
rail,
so
it
was
just
a
foundation
thing
and
there
was
absolutely
no
movement
away
from
that
objective
because
it
informed
that
vision
that
we
wanted
to
collectively
achieve
and
that's
what
we
lack.
I
think
like
we
talk
about
wishy-washy
words
and-
and
I
don't
think
we've
really
got
something
concrete
that
we're
all
aspiring
to
and
going.
H
This
is
absolutely
critical
to
get
there,
and
I
think
that
it's
therefore
important
without
that
kind
of
vision
document
it's
important
to
put
into
a
transport
strategy,
discussion
paper,
things
that
motivate
people
to
think
yeah
that
wouldn't
it
be
nice.
Wouldn't
that
be
great,
that's
the
sort
of
thing
I
want,
so
I
don't
fundamentally
oppose
all
the
inclusion,
those
things,
but
perhaps
the
delivery
of
it
might
be
a
little
better
thanks,
jen.
J
J
I
think
the
director
and
officers
have
well
and
truly
got
a
feeling
of
where
our
thoughts
are
on
some
of
that
stuff,
and
it
this
particular
point
probably
leads
into
a
little
part
of
what
counselor
patterson
reached
on,
but
I
wanted
to
be
a
bit
more
succinct
with
it
that
for
me
in
when
before
reading
this,
so
I
was
provided
a
copy
of
this
some
weeks
ago
and
then
took
the
opportunity
to
pull
out
the
2031
and
look
at
the
gaps
in
between
is
that
the
2031
document
for
me
acknowledged
gaps
in
the
network.
J
So
it
spoke
to
things
that
we
had
to
improve
that
we
were
going
to
deliver
in
new
areas,
but
in
older
areas
we
had
to
fill
in
the
gaps
on,
so
they
were
around
that
you
know.
We've
got
good
sections
of
bikeway
and
then
it'll
just
end
somewhere
and
that
we
have
to
fix
those
links
up
in
it
that
I
don't
mind
aspirational
and
a
lot
of
this
stuff.
You
know
probably
there
in
2041,
but
it
probably
comes
to
counts.
J
Roads
are
connected
together
and
I'm
going
to
get
slammed
for
this
one
in
a
sec,
but
identify
the
fact
that
we've
got
footpath
networks
that
have
got
sections
missing
and
that
you
know
an
aspiration
for
me
autonomous
vehicles
and
what
I
decide
an
aspiration
for
me
by
2041
is:
hopefully
we
finally
got
a
bloody
finished
footpath
network,
where
you
can
actually
get
from
where
you
live
to
local
shops
and
schools
without
the
missing
parts
in
between
so
and
then
the
big
one
is
that
public
transport
piece.
J
But
for
me,
that
should
be
a
bold
aspiration.
Is
that
by
2041?
Hopefully,
no
matter
where
you
live
in
the
city.
You
are
within
x
minutes,
whatever
the
standard
should
be
or
rapid
public
transport
that,
if
we're
going
to
have
aspirations-
and
it's
going
to
cause
discussion,
then
being
fairly
bold
and
having
that
there
in
black
and
white,
so
that
as
an
organization
and
as
councillors
and
as
a
community.
So
this
is
where
we're
actually
going
with
this-
that
you
can
still
have
the
other
stuff
in
between
and
if
it
brings
up
bold
conversations
about.
J
I'm
happy
for
those
discussions
to
occur,
but
let's
have
some
fundamentals
that
are
there
in
black
and
white
that
any
member
of
the
community,
any
local
rep
any
member
of
the
organization
can
get
behind
and
see
a
purpose
towards
that'll
come
in
the
meat,
but
that's
just
where
my
head's
at
I
want
to
be
able
to
talk
to
the
the
future,
but
have
some
hard
black
and
white
of
this
is
what
it
looks
like
in
your
suburb.
D
D
D
I
think
if
you
actually
want
reliable
responses
for
the
community,
if
you're
asking
them
to
make
trade-offs
and
to
prioritize
things,
you
actually
need
to
let
them
know
what
we're
currently
doing,
because
it
could
be
that
the
status
quo
totally
satiates
them.
But
in
the
absence
of
saying,
hey,
we've
got
this
thing
called
the
local
government
infrastructure
plan,
which
has
been
recently
revised
and
will
deliver
x,
hundreds
of
hundreds
of
millions
of
dollars
of
infrastructure
centered
around
our
growth
corridors.
D
Unless
you
tell
them
that,
that's
what
we're
doing,
they
may
assume
we're
not
and
that
could
color
their
responses.
So
I
think
in
the
future
discussion
paper
whenever
you're
touching
on
a
theme
at
the
moment,
you've
got
what,
if
reasons
to
believe
reasons
for
concern,
potential
action
focus
what's
actually
missing.
D
Outside
of
the
two-page,
blurb
is
what
we're
the
direction
we're
already
taking
and
the
action
and
what
we've
maybe
to
councillor
hamel's
point,
I
think
maybe
was
councillor
hamill,
I'm
not
sure
anyway,
one
of
my
colleagues
yeah
well,
everyone
can
claim
it.
A
D
That
out,
there
allow
people
to
understand
the
trade-offs,
and
it
could
be
that
they're
perfectly
happy
with
our
direction
and
then
that
that
would
help
your
city
officers
allocate
your
energies
towards
those
things
that
there's
a
community
expectation
gap,
because
I've
got
to
when
I
move
around
the
community-
and
I
tell
people
about
this
thing
called
an
lgb.
It's
like.
Oh
that's
good,
like
we
don't
actually
talk
about
the
fact
that
we've
got
a
local
government
infrastructure
plan
that
intends
to
deliver
infrastructure
to
support
population
growth.
Most
people
don't
know
that.
D
G
I
didn't
see
specific
mention
of
green
bridges
anywhere
in
this
in
this
report,
and
that
may
have
been
intentional,
but
we've
all
seen
recent
suggestions
for
significant
funding
for
perhaps
three
green
bridges
in
our
city
and
taking
on
board
councillor
hamill's
comments,
and
I'm
serious.
With
this
I
mean
it
was
I
had
400
square
kilometers
to
cover
with
the
same
divisional
budget
as,
for
example,
broad
beach
with
18
square
kilometers.
That
gives
you
a
realistic
understanding
of
what
I
had
to
what
I
had
at
my
disposal
for
footpaths
in
street.
G
If
we
could
see
really
viable
bike
and
footpath
networks
right
throughout
the
city,
it's
far
more
beneficial
than
one
or
two
green
bridges.
That
really
for
me,
don't
connect
centers
to
centres
they're
just
ideal
logically
placed
because
there
might
be
a
gap
in
the
road
network
that
was
envisaged
decades
ago,
for
perhaps
a
road
connection.
G
Whether
people
would
actually
get
on
them
and
walk.
I
I
think,
that's
yet
to
be
decided,
but
was
it
intentional
not
to
mention
that
possibility
to
get
community
feedback
because
other
than
a
recommendation
from
a
previous
employee,
I'm
not
sure,
there's
ever
been
any
work
done
in
the
space
of
the
specific
green
bridge
connections
that
have
been
put
before
us.
B
So
we've
started
that
work
to
look
at
this
as
an
infrastructure
type
and
to
understand
how
we
can
unpack
this
because
there's
there
are
some
severance
issues
where
and
we've
seen
this,
where
they
make
sense
and
they
work
really
well
and
we
need
to
tease
out
what
they
are,
those
those
localized
connections
and
we
see
some
more
opportunities
for
those.
So
we
haven't
gone
there
in
this
discussion
paper
because
we
didn't
want
to
take
the
discussion
down
to
specific
types
of
infrastructure
like
that.
B
We
wanted
to
keep
it
fairly
broad
at
this
stage,
through
the
life
of
the
transport
strategy
and
and
post
the
consideration
by
yourselves
of
that
report
on
on
green
bridges,
we
will
delve
into
more
different
types
of
infrastructure
and
their
importance,
not
just
green
bridges,
and
we've
heard
our
discussion
today.
B
We'll
certainly
highlight
more
on
light
rail
bus,
rapid
transit,
public
transport,
all
sorts
of
active
transport
corridors,
the
road
network,
the
hierarchy
of
roads,
the
things
that
we
can
do
particularly
around,
and
this
I'll
give
you
a
great
example
of
where
there
is
some
really
good
thinking
which
we
haven't
delved
into
here
is
the
the
technology
is
changing
very
positively
around
traffic
signal
coordination
and
there's
some
great
advances
around
the
world
on
in
this
area
that
has
had
demonstrated
effects
on
making
traffic
flow
easier
around
networks.
B
So
when
we
get
to
the
more
meat
on
the
bones
of
this
transport
strategy,
there
are
things
that
we
will
contemplate
for
for
further
discussion
to
outline.
A
And
just
just
as
another
comment
to
come
forward
on
that,
too
is
during
the
commonwealth
games.
We
talked
a
lot
about.
You
know
retime
remote
reroute,
where
all
of
that-
and
we
seem
not
to
be
using
that
as
much
anymore
and
I
think
for
a
lot
of
people
to
consider
using
any
sort
of
public
transport.
A
So
whilst
we're
talking
about
delivering
infrastructure
and
making
it
easier
to
move
around,
we
actually
still
have
to
do
that
messaging,
where
they're
looking
at
their
own
behaviours,
because
and
what's
the
barriers
that
are
stopping
people
allowing
their
kids
to
ride
to
school
or
allowing
their
kids
to
walk
or
allowing
their
kids
to
walk
to
the
beach.
And
things
like
that,
it's
not
necessarily
what
the
city
is
not
providing.
It's
it's
comes
back
to
what
their
expectations
of
of
whether
kids
are
actually
safe
or
not
safe.
A
So
I
think
we
don't
want
to
lose
sight
of
that
either
as
in
that
the
14
people
or
15
people
making
the
decisions
here
to
deliver
infrastructure
still
aren't
going
to
fix
everything,
because
we're
still
going
to
have
a
lot
of
people
and
we're
our
roads
aren't
going
to
get
wider,
but
people
have
to
look
at
how
they
can
contribute
to
making
it
easier
to
move
around
the
city
as
well.
So
I
just
I
just
think,
that's
something
that
we
tend
to
lose
sight
of
at
times
I'll
go
to
councillor
owen
jones.
Thank.
E
You
so
through
you
to
elton
in
2012
13,
when
we
did
that
first
body
of
work,
there
was
a
a
diagram
that
showed
where
people
were
starting
and
finishing
their
their
movements,
and
I
think
that
that's
quite
a
useful
for
the
whole
of
the
city
so,
rather
than
just
getting
bogged
down
about
how
maybe
the
center
of
the
city
moves.
I
think
that
that
was
a
really
good
way
to
show
how
people
move
from
suburbs
to
suburbs.
E
I
think
that
that
should
be
front
and
center
in
this
type
of,
and
I
don't
know
whether
or
not
we
have
the
ability
to
refresh
that,
so
we
had
it
into
2012-13.
I've
got
no
idea
where
it
might
have
come
from,
but
if
there
is
there's
a
version
10
years
later,
I
think
that
that
would
be
quite
useful
and
I
think
it
would
also
be
quite
useful
for
what
councilor
patterson
said
earlier
in
regards
to
compare
and
contrast,
because
if
nothing's
changed
in
10
years,
that
would
be
a
pretty
big
surprise.
E
So
so
first
common
second
comment
is
just
in
regards
to
this
type
of
imagery.
I
reckon
it
would
serve
us
better
if
we
didn't
have
the
the
autonomous
bus
on
the
front
and
we
actually
had
an
existing
surf
side
bus
because
that's
the
reality
of
what
we'll
be
dealing
with
over
the
next
10
years.
B
You
through
you,
madam
chair,
so
the
the
sankey
graph
is
the
that's
what
it
was
called.
We
can
update
that
and
we
can
provide
that
as
piece
as
part
of
the
context
piece,
as
you
suggest
so
that'll
be
an
action
for
us
and
that
was
the
image
was
altered.
But
to
take
your
point
so
we'll
we'll
work
on
that
just
a
smaller
normal
bus.
B
So
through
you,
madam
chair,
what
I
propose
counsellors
if
will
will
go
away
we'll
take
this
feedback
on
board
and
we'll
aim
to
bring
this
to
you
april.
D
Sort
of
proposed
moving
that
that
the
matter
be
deferred.
D
B
Very
good
question:
councillor
foster
I
I
what
I
would
like
to
do
is
to
collate
this
information,
provide
you
with
an
an
updated
version
and
then
seek
your
feedback
as
to
whether
you
you
think
it's
suitable
to
come
to
committee
or
whether
you'd
like
further
discussion.
Okay,.
D
D
And
then,
madam
chair,
through
to
the
director
that
gives
you
flexibility
around
timing
rather
than
saying
april,
it
could
be
much
sooner
could
be
later.
A
D
A
Thanks
councillors
for
that
discussion
at
it
and
feedback,
yeah
and
clearway
so
item
7.1
is
not
starred.
Did
anyone
have
any
questions
on
7.1
that
we
needed
to
go
into
confidence
into
closed?
Yes,
yeah?
So
if
someone
would
like
to
move
us
into
closed
council
of
foster
second
by
councillor,
petey
young
we're
going
into
closed
if
we
could
turn
off
the
streaming.
Thank
you.
D
D
D
A
A
D
City
offices
showed
some
diligence
and
the
market
showed
a
willingness
to
to
respond
to
an
opportunity,
and
I
think
we
all
very
much
look
forward
to
our
waterways
being
enjoyed
by
more
people,
visitors
and
residents,
moving
forward
with
the
oversight
of
council,
because
of
course
we
want
to
make
sure
that
in
five
years
time
we
keep
a
service
that
is
fit
for
purpose.
I
thought
I'd
encourage
everybody
to
to
get
behind
this
and
look
forward
to
no
doubt
the
media
release
that
will
shortly
be
issued.
C
In
fact,
for
those
tuning
in
in
the
north
of
the
city
who
live
near,
the
water
are
probably
interested
in
this.
I
am
very
heartened
by
the
fact
that
the
trial
to
date
has
been
supported
and
that,
as
a
council,
we
have
continued
to
pursue
this
because
lots
of
people
in
the
city
think
that
we,
you
know
we
live
near
the
water.
Why
aren't
we
using
it-
and
this
is
a
a
very
positive
step
in
continuing
to
have
a
meaningful
piece
of
transport
infrastructure
on
the
water.
A
A
That's
carried!
Is
there
any
general
business
items
counselors
nothing
put
forward
or
made
enclosed
327.