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00:00 Meeting Commences, Attendance/Apologies, Leave of Absence, Confirmation of Minutes, Conflict of Interest Declarations, Committee Forward Planning Schedule 5.1, Reports 6.2, 6.3, 6.4, Closed Session Reports
04:00 Reports 6.1
1:22:00 General Business
A
A
A
Don't
believe
we
have
any
conflicts
of
interest
to
date
unless
there's
any
from
the
floor
today.
No
that's
good.
We've
got
the
agenda
in
front
of
us.
We've
got
5.1,
which
is
starred,
6.2,
6.3
and
6.4
us
star.
Did
we
want
to
unstar
anything?
There
moved
so
that's
moved
our
Council
of
Worcester
secondary
councilor
Caldwell,
all
those
in
favor.
A
C
A
D
A
F
Thank
you,
chair
I'm,
the
team
as
they're
coming
in
so
many
of
you
may
be
aware.
Next
week
is
actually
Road,
Safety,
Week
and
certainly
I
think
it's
special
budget.
A
couple
of
weeks
ago,
we
started
having
a
a
a
relatively
robust
conversation
relating
to
pathway
safety,
so
the
road
safety
plan
is
now
at
midpoint.
A
E
E
So
it's
just
a
very,
very
quick,
very
quick
presentation
on
the
road
safety
plan,
which
is
about
a
year
and
a
half
into
its
life.
It's
a
21-26
road
safety
plan
about
50
actions
out
of
the
plane
and
what
I
present
to
you
is
an
amalgamation
of
about
30,
35,
40
actions
in
in
different
packages
and
we'll
just
pick
out
the
Highlight,
the
Strategic
ones
that
I
want
to
present.
E
So,
as
the
Director
said,
my
name
is
Deva
Deva
niker
I'm,
the
coordinator
of
the
road
safety
team
I've
spent
my
background
is
road
safety
and
traffic
engineering,
so
20
years
in
the
road
safety
space
and
another
9
or
10
in
the
traffic
engineering,
so
well
across
this
space
and
I
helped
a
lot
developing
a
little
bit
developing
this
plan
as
well.
In
my
other
capacity,
so
slide
one.
What
do
I
press
this
little
button
here?
E
So
in
no
particular
order
and
I'll
just
go
through
them
and
you've
seen
them
in
your
presentation
in
a
particular
order.
The
first
one
is
about
the
drive,
safe,
speed
awareness
sign.
The
said
said:
Smiles
said
Smiles
signs
generally
very
successful
across
the
city.
We've
got
a
104
of
them
in
different
locations
throughout
the
city
and
they
rotate
every
four
four
months
and
that
information
of
speed
data
comes
back
to
you
and
we
hope
to
improve
that
a
little
bit
better
in
coming
in
the
next
round.
E
We
have
six
signs,
six
of
those
modified
signs
along
the
Ocean
Way,
as
you
come
into
the
more
people,
places
areas,
the
mobile
activity
areas
and
we
have
I
think
the
remaining
four
in
the
wildlife
areas
of
currumbin
in
Cali
Valley
and
there's
one
up
at
kumara,
so
they
so
the
wildlife
team
and
those
that
group
is
managing
that,
but
we've
helped
them
set
up
and
they've
been
fairly
effective
as
well.
So
this
smiley
face
that
collects
speed,
speed
at
a
time
of
the
day
and
there's
a
lot
of
information
it
does
take.
E
But
it's
actually
quite
good.
Generally
there's
about
seven
six,
seven
percent
speed
drop
in
the
first
month
or
so
four
weeks,
and
then
it
creeps
up
to
about
four
percent
compliance.
And
then
it
eventually
you
don't
get
any
compliance
after
a
short
span
of
time.
The
second
one
is
about
our
VMS,
the
portable
VMS
signs
on
the
right
hand,
side,
they're,
they're,
mobile
and
the
whole
idea
with
that
is
to
portray
Road
Safety
messaging.
So
it's
distracted,
driving
the
Fatal
Five
pathway
stuff
could
be
speeding.
E
It
could
be
Easter
Road,
Safety
campaign,
Christmas
that
sort
of
messaging
they
are,
they
are
relocated
throughout
the
city
and
finding
spots
safe
spots,
for
them
are
a
bit
of
a
challenge
because
of
vandalism
and
theft.
Stealing
ties,
so
we
just
got
to
be
very
careful
with
this,
our
cctvs
and
all
this
so
we're
learning
as
we
go.
E
We
have
seven.
Five
of
them
are
in
the
in
my
team
and
two
are
with
Road
operations
that
so
they
had
to
do
with
see.
Now,
when
we
put
signals
at
a
new
intersection,
they
actually
monitor
the
intersections
to
see
if
it's
working
or
anything
needs
to
be
tweaked,
the
rest
of
ours.
They
have
cctvs,
ours,
don't
have
cctvs
and
ours
don't
have
any
speed
radar,
it's
just
messaging,
so
we
can
remotely
change
messages.
E
E
Crash
investigation
Alliance:
this
is
we've,
put
it
up
there,
because
the
crash
investigation
is
this.
Alliance
is
a
formal
relationship
we
have
with
TMR
in
Queensland
police.
So
when
there's
a
fatal
crash
in
the
city,
we
normally
get
notified
and
there's
a
time
frame
to
activate
an
investigation
into
the
into
the
crash,
while
the
crash
happened
and
it
causal
factors.
So
we
look
at
Council,
looks
at
the
engineering
aspect
to
see
how
our
vulnerability,
if
there's
any
deficiencies
on
the
road,
Network
and
the
police,
actually
look
at
the
enforcement
and
prosecution.
E
So
there's
the
two
meet
together.
Our
job
is
to
find
out
what
went
wrong.
The
signage
is
good.
The
road
was
good
and
part
of
that
is
to
also
what
I
hope
to
do
is
to
take
the
the
councilors
on
a
journey
as
well
keeping
them
up
to
date
or
informed
when
the
significant
crash
happens,
the
support
and
education
side
of
things.
E
That's
an
ongoing
thing
that
my
team
does.
It
works
in
with
the
national
campaign,
such
as
National
Road
Safety
week,
which
is
the
14th
to
the
21st.
It's
a
national
one
around
Australia,
the
Fidelity
free
Friday,
which
is
the
last
Friday
in
May
to
have
a
zero
fatality
on
the
day
throughout
Australia.
E
Some
activation
in
a
part
of
the
city
and
I
think
we
would
call
with
everything,
went
Hiatus
a
little
while,
but
hopefully
that's
back
on
back
back
to
it
again
the
rural
road
safety
week,
which
is
normally
in
October,
and
it
leads
into
the
Christmas
Road
Safety
campaign
that
is
targeting
our
rural
Hinterland
areas
where
there's
still
lots
of
crashes,
off-road
crashes.
So
that's
a
different
type
of
Crest
treatment
as
opposed
to
the
urban
ones,
the
partnership,
the
road
safety,
the
peg,
a
very
important
part
or
the
core
part
of
the
road
safety
program.
E
So
this
is
the
partnership
that
we
live
and
breathe
with
within
our
internal
Council
teams,
also
with
transport
and
main
roads.
So
transport
main
roads
have
the
road
safety
team.
They
have
the
compliance
team
and
they
have
the
policy
side
of
things
which
is
like
the
personal
personal
Mobility
devices.
The
lines
signs
the
standards.
E
Queenston
police
are
very
involved
in
that
as
well
as
well
as
Griffith
University
racq
cars
q,
and
we
also
talk
to
our
neighboring
councils
to
share
what
we
have
or
what
they
have
and
often
it's
a
common
goal,
because
the
road
network
is
one
network.
You
know
if
you're
driving
from
here
to
the
Tweed,
it's
the
same
or
here
to
Logan
it's
the
same,
but
the
rules
might
be
different.
The
signage
might
be
different,
so
it's
an
important
part.
E
E
Some
interesting
ongoing
new
initiatives
here
is
one:
is
the
high
activity
speed
limit
reviews
that
we
recently
undertook?
So
these
are
the
30
and
40K
signs
in
areas
like
broadbeats
parts
of
surface
and
I?
Think
there's
other
areas
Southport.
As
well,
where
we've
reduced
the
speed
down
to
30
and
40
and
they're
more
to
address
or
improve
the
safety
of
vulnerable
Road
users,
it's
more
about
that
and
it's
it
was
funded
by
by
transport
and
main
roads
under
a
road
safety,
High
vulnerable,
Road
user
funding
program.
E
So
it
was
a
lot
of
urban
councils
in
Queensland
that
took
up
the
challenge
and
nothing
been
quite
successful.
I
understand
that
our
team,
our
traffic
engineering
side
of
our
team,
is
doing
further
reviews
or
looking
at
other
areas
that
could
be
looked
at
as
well,
so
that
our
communities
better
looked
at
now.
This
is
an
interesting
one.
The
PMD
is
the
personal
Mobility
devices.
This
is
taken
a
lot
of
our
time.
E
This
is
new
to
all
of
us,
especially
with
the
legislation
or
the
new
legislations
and
how
we
sign
it
and
how
we
market
and
how
we
collect
data
and
all
that
all
that
so
November
1st
last
year,
2022
TMR
introduced
speed
limits
to
personal
Mobility
devices.
These
are
scooters,
electric
scooters,
skateboards,
electric
skateboards,
bikes,
e-bikes,
all
that
sort
of
stuff
and
there's
obviously
discrepancy
between
the
speeds,
traveling
speeds
of
them.
Is
you
and
I
walking
with
our
families
along
the
ocean
way
or
somewhere
in
someone's
flying
through
it
30
kilometers
an
hour?
E
So
someone
had
to
put
some
regulation
into
that.
So
this
has
come
in
there's
some
rules,
some
very
default
Statewide
rules
on
speeds
on
bikeways,
which
is
the
25
and
on
roads,
and
the
road
is
defined,
as
in
this
case,
as
an
unmarked
Road
under
in
a
50
zone
or
less
and
then
riding
on
a
pathway,
footpath
or
oceanway
sort
of
system
where
it's
12..
E
So
the
compliance
of
this
thing
has
been
challenging
and
the
radar,
the
police,
who
do
the
enforcement
I'll
go
to
my
next
slide
just
to
make
that
clearer
on
the
right
hand,
side
it's
the
police
who
enforce
speed
limits.
They
are
grappling
with
the
technology
of
detecting
lower
speeds.
So
it's
that
lighter
or
radar
that
they
use
needs
to
be
able
to
collect,
lowers
with
25
is
all
right.
E
E
Our
role
is
provide
the
Hardware
this,
the
construction
maintenance
to
the
landmarking,
the
signage,
where
necessary,
undertake
speed
limit
reviews
and
the
education
and
marketing
campaign.
So
those
vms's
that
I
spoke
about
earlier.
Some
of
it's
used
will
be
used
for
vmss
or
helmets
on
no
double
riding
no
phone
in
the
hand
that
sort
of
stuff-
and
that's
in
conjunction
with
the
campaigns
Estates
doing
tmrs
doing
through
the
street
smart
stuff,
so
Department
of
Transport
main
roads
is
basically
all
about
defining
what
the
devices
are.
E
What
classification
of
the
devices
identifying
the
road
rules
that
apply?
That's
the
20
and
the
sorry,
the
25
and
12,
and
determining
the
criteria
where
they're
used
and
the
regulatory
signage
and
landmarking
that's
necessary
for
this.
So
it's
still
we're
all
working
together
to
have
one
outcome,
which
is
the
safety
of
our
community
and
we're
still
in
that
space.
So
having
spoken
about
that,
there
was
a
report
that
we
were
doing
on
pathway,
safety
and
conflicts
and
we're
hoping
to
finalize
that
report
by
the
end
of
July,
and
that
has
a
lot
of
data.
E
It's
waiting
for
some
last
bit
of
data
to
come
through,
but
that
actually
shows
areas
in
where
they
are
speeding
areas
where
we
have
deficiencies
on
our
on
our
Network
and
it
could
be
segregated
line
ways
or
places
where
they're,
wider
and
they're
all
traveling,
together
or
they're
commuting
from
home
to
work
or
places
outside
surf
life,
clubs
and
those
activity.
Areas
where
there's
lots
of
conflicts.
So
we've
got
our
mindset
on
some
ideas
and
how
they
work.
What
works?
What
doesn't
work
and
what
sort
of
signage
works.
E
So
with
the
pathways
safety
study
that
has
a
couple
of
other
Road
Rules
and
now
that
it
is
part
of
the
Road
Rules,
all
the
drink,
driving
all
the
speeding,
mobile
phone
offenses
now
are
effective.
So
that's
the
enforceable
side
of
it,
speed
stuff
of
it
still
being
looked
at
by
QPS,
but
currently
we've
had,
you
would
have
noticed.
We've
got
a
combination
of
size.
We've
got
a
combination
of
those
sad
signs.
E
As
you
come
into
areas
combination
of
green
threshold
markings,
they
all
have
different
impacts
on
different
people
and
we
haven't
quite
got
to
the
demographics
of
Ages,
but
they
have
a
big
I.
Think
it's
because,
when
you're
riding
a
walking
you're
only
looking
at
this
peripheral
vision,
so
you're
not
looking
at
something
over
there
looking
at
something
on
the
ground,
so
we're
finding
that
the
green
markings
and
some
of
the
lane
markings
are
generally
working.
E
E
One
is
on
Pathways,
so
you
can
you
can't
work
out
the
speeds,
but
you
can
work
out
if
they're
not
keeping
left
or
they're,
not
they're,
overtaking
people
or
they're
approaching
too
fast
it'll
work
out
that
and
give
you
little
heat
Maps
like
the
picture
on
the
right
where
the
conflicts
are
so
it'll
be
two
seconds
to
a
collision
or
a
second
to
a
collision.
So
it
gives
us
an
idea
of
a
way
to
concentrate
or
make
some
improvements.
E
It's
also
used
for
intersections,
so
where
right
turns
are,
or
just
a
four
intersection
and
you're
deciding
whether
to
put
a
roundabout
or
a
set
of
signals
or
just
some
stop
signs.
That
will
tell
you
what
is
probably
the
issue,
and
so,
rather
than
going
and
wasting
time
you
could
you
could
narrow
in
very
useful.
E
So
I
think
we're
the
only
Council,
that's
using
it
for
pathways,
not
for
Motor
Vehicles,
so
Brisbane
we're
ahead
of
Brisbane
Brisbane,
don't
use
it
on
there
they're
only
using
it
for
it's
a
bit
of
a
race
happening
between
us
offices,
but
no,
no,
it's
let's
say
no!
Well,
it
tells
you
the
time
of
collision.
So
you
just
got
to
read
it's
like
a
grain
of
salt.
You
have
to
work
out.
Okay,
they
work,
the
chances
are
they're
going
to
collide,
but
they
haven't
and
if
they
collided
then
then
what
what
do
we
do?
E
Another
interesting
one
is
the
50k
bin
stickers.
We
did
a
bit
of
a
trial
in
councilor
Young's
area
in
division,
five,
different
combinations
of
rules.
You
know
the
different
volumes
of
traffic
and
all
that,
basically,
in
a
nutshell,
what
it
was
and
lots
of
councils
have
done,
that
nothing
they've
all
come
to
the
same
conclusion
that
it
feels
good.
The
people
love
it
and
it
doesn't
work.
The
speeds
are
still
the
same,
but
there
must
be
some
impact,
something
there
I
think.
E
So
what
we're
looking
at
is
a
forward
plan
of
maybe
producing
that's
standard
mutcd
the
standard
regulatory
sticker.
Looking
at
something
that's
more,
something
that
has
to
be
installed
by
an
officer,
something
that's
installed
by
a
resident.
You
could
give
it
out
to
your
residents
during
the
stores
and
with
some
instructions
put
it
up,
just
go
slow
in
my
street
or
something
we're
working.
We're
working
with
councilor
young
and
we'll
have
a
chat
on
that
on
the
side
and
comms
is
a
major
part
of
it,
the
road
safety
communication.
E
So
we
have
an
approved
communication
marketing
strategy
three-year
plan
that
allows
us
to
do
campaigns.
So
we
have
some
there's
some
unique
things
like
multilingual
readings
and
messaging
with
our
International
visitors
who
who
ride
a
bike,
but
don't
appreciate
the
rules
that
we
have,
that
sort
of
thing,
simple,
writing,
hiring
hiring
equipment
and
all
that
so
that
communication
with
pedestrian
safety
with
cycling
safety
with
General
Road
safeties
rolled
out
continually.
So
that's
that's
a
good
space
to
be
in
I!
Think
it's
front
foot
forward.
E
I
think
I
got
two
more,
so
the
seniors
travel
guide,
I'm
sure
you're,
all
very
familiar
with
that
very
popular
booklet.
Little
booklet
of
23
24
pages
has
a
lot
of
information
on
travel
phone
numbers
where
to
get
from
A
to
B
and
all
that
sort
of
stuff.
The
good
thing
is,
you
can
carry
a
like
a
A5
copy
in
your
purse
or
in
your
handbag,
or
you
have
electronic
version
or
something
on
your
phone.
But
it's
a
lot
of
information,
get
a
lot
of
requests
for
reprints,
for
that
so,
which
is
good.
E
The
enhanced
school
zone
sign
and
holds.
These
are
the
ones
with
the
speed
cameras.
So
so
the
state
the
state
manage
the
enforcement
side
like
they
do
with
the
red
light
cameras
in
the
mobile
cameras,
the
state
manager,
the
enforcement
side.
There's
a
mix
of
flashing
zone
signs
that
are
owned
by
the
state
and
owned
by
by
Council.
E
We
have
two,
so
there
are
24
trials.
The
sites
looked
at
throughout
Queensland:
we've
got
two
sites
in
on
the
Gold
Coast
one
in
television,
Valley,
Road,
San,
Andreas
School
and
the
other
one
was
that
kumara
up
at
picnic,
Creek
Road
of
Amity
Road,
so
they're
the
two
sites
the
data
is
being
collected,
they
haven't,
haven't,
started
enforcing
it.
Yet
it's
just
getting
the
technology
right.
It's
the
same
as
doing
mobile
phone
cameras.
They
have
to
get
the
technology
right.
E
First,
I
think
July
1st
is
when
they
go
live,
so
they
are
giving
you
reminders
saying
you
were
caught
doing
43
in
a
40
Zone
all
the
data,
so
just
getting
that
yeah
I
mean
you
know
what
I
mean
47
or
whatever
it
was.
Whatever
the
threshold
is
yeah
and
getting
the
time
right,
not
issuing
fines
on
a
public
holiday,
Anzac
Day,
it
might
go
off.
You
know
that
the
little
things
like
that.
C
E
No
excuse
for
speaking,
no
no
excuse,
there's
a
lot
of
evidence
there,
probably
our
most
vulnerable
environment-
and
you
know,
there's
other
other
campaigns
and
other
other
places
that
have
very
strong
emphasis
on
speeding
awareness
around
school
zones-
and
this
is
a
good,
probably
a
good
thing
and
if
you
speed,
not
yeah
but
not
in
a
school
zone,
they're
very
vulnerable
as
young
kids.
If
they
get
hit
so
we've
got
two
so
yeah
watch
this
space
yeah
you
go
under
40,
you're,
fine,
so
I
think
that's
that's
my
presentation.
A
My
question
is,
and
it
comes
back
to
the
policing
of
the
the
12K
an
hour
and
all
that
stuff
I
know
and
the
direction
I've
had
a
chat
about
it.
You
know
how
many
infringements
have
actually
been
issued
here
on
the
Gold
Coast
already,
but
my
my
I
guess
inquiries
I'd
like
to
know
where,
because
councilor
Taylor
quite
often
has
an
issue
with
this,
as
do
a
couple
of
other
areas,
the
speeding
of
the
scooters
and
all
that
sort
of
stuff.
A
A
So
I
was
just
wondering
it's
like
and
I'm
sure
counselor
O'neill
has
it
as
well
and
potentially
in
Southport
as
well,
where
there's
a
lot
of
higher
shops
and
can
is
there
some
way
we
can
incorporate
where
the
bikes
are
hired
from
like
a
safety
message
or
an
education
leaflet,
or
something
like
that.
So
if
you're
writing
your
personal
Mobility
devices
in
our
city,
these
are
the
rules
and
yes,
we've
signed
off.
We've
been
given
that
off
you
go,
but
yes,.
E
So
there's
probably
a
two-part
answer
for
that
and
I
hopefully
have
both
one
is
the
Hyatt
scheme,
the
the
the
hire
for
mum
and
dad
shop
down
at
surface
right.
All
those
operators
so
as
much
as
that
have
been
identified,
have
been
spoken
with
spoken
to
by
other
Queensland
police
and
or
transported
main
roads.
So
there
are
compliance
offices
that
go
and
there's
a
business
card
that
has
a
QR
code
on
it.
E
Has
all
the
road
rules
I
can
I
can
send
them
to
your
offices,
but
they
have
the
they
are
given
that
when
they
hire
their
bikes
and
they're,
also
given
their
responsibilities
and
what
to
remind
the
writers
and
to
give
this
business
card
and
to
remind
them
of
the
helmets
of
speed
and
all
those
eight
or
ten
New
Road
Rules.
So
that's
that
part
is
happening,
whether
those
hiries
or
people
who
hire
those
bikes
wish
to
adhere
to
that.
That's
that's
another!
That's
another
thing!
E
E
E
The
other
challenge,
the
big
challenge
we
have
is
and
and
just
going
back
there
is
some
data
now
collected
by
the
hospitals
on
the
the
admissions
to
hospitals,
so
Gold
Coast
Robina,
a
couple
of
them
in
Brisbane
Logan
are
starting
to
collect
this
through
a
collective
means
and
what
sort
of
bike
they're
riding?
How
do
they
fall
off?
Who
owns
the
bike?
What's
the
what's
the
ownership
of
the
bike?
E
What
type
of
bike
so
the
ones
that
are
the
hired
ones
have
lower
lower
crashes,
lower
injuries,
the
ones
we're
having
some
serious
issues
in
speeding
and
all
that
are
the
ones
that
you
and
I
own
privately
they're,
the
ones
you
can
tweak
and
and
get
the
speeds
up.
If
you
know
how
to
do
that,
so
they're,
the
ones
that
are
still
out
there
and
the
import
rules
are
changing
but
I
think
it'll
take
a
while
before
that
stock
runs
out
and
they're
the
ones
involved
in
the
high
injury
crashes.
E
So
it'll
we're
probably
in
the
space
of
transition
and
at
some
point
we'll
do
that.
Now,
in
Brisbane
and
in
Logan,
we've
been
tracking
the
Hyatt
schemes,
the
the
beams
and
the
yellow,
the
limes
and
all
that
they're
actually
very
low
injury,
because
if
you
start
speeding
or
driving
Dangerously
shut
you
off,
it
cuts
off.
So
there's
three
different
things.
E
We
need
to
look
at
the
one
we
need
to
Target
really
from
our
City's
end
is
yes,
the
hired
ones
the
older
bikes
and
screw
this
and
the
ones
that
are
owned
by
mum
and
dad.
So
the
young
kids.
You
know
they
fly
through
this
at
high
speed,
they're,
the
ones
causing
drama
so
how
we,
how
we
engage
with
them,
whether
through
schools
or
education,
through
active
travel
through
active
travel
program.
That's
the
challenge
we
have
for
the
Next
Generation.
You
know
it's
going
to
take
18
years
to
get
through
that
yeah.
E
So,
just
just
a
verbal
update
on
that
QPS,
and
so
it's
a
good,
very
good
question
and
the
councils
have
been
asking
that
as
well,
so
the
situation
with
KPS,
if
they've
got
a
lot
of
the
offices
now
trained
to
do
the
low
speed,
low,
speed
enforcement.
So
what
we've
been
working
on
the
coast
is
trying
to
identify
locations,
especially
along
the
ocean,
where
we
can,
they
can
pull
them
across,
pull
them
over
or
starting
to
stop
them,
but
on
a
in
a
safe
area.
E
So
it's
trying
to
identify
those
identify
those
locations
and
also
identifying
where
speeding
is
occurring.
So
we've
got
the
data
where
speeding
is
generally
occurring
or
at
higher
levels.
It's
then
getting
them
off
the
road
onto
a
safe
place,
but
the
last
thing
you
want
is
a
copper
to
a
police
officer
to
stop
them
and
there's
booking
them
or
having
a
chat
with
them
on
the
roadway.
E
The
other
challenge
QPS
have
is
when
they
pull
over
to
issue
a
fund.
You
need
to
have
an
address
so
that
could
give
they
could
give
a
wrong
name
and
a
wrong
address
if
they
don't
have
a
driver's
license,
and
that
is
that
is
a
that
is
a
challenge
to
them
as
well.
So
they
cannot
pull
up
an
adult
because
they'll
carry
some
form
of
ID,
but
a
young.
You
know
what
do
what
do
you?
How
do
you
find
give
a
300
fine
to
a
young,
have
a
chat
with
them.
E
You
know
kind
of
thing,
so
that's
the
challenge.
Are
we
having
Brisbane
has
been
trialing
now
successfully
with
the
enforcement
side
of
things,
so
there's
some
safe
pullover
areas
or
wider
footpaths
or
little
side
things.
So
it's
mostly
in
the
South
Bend
Goodwill
Bridge
area
I
understand
we
did
a
trial
run
in
the
broad
Beach
area,
but
I
think
we
are
grappling
with
locations
safe
locations
to
do
that
enforcement.
So
that's
something
we've
started
and
that's
the
space
we're
in
TMR
have
just
given.
This
is
12.
E
H
H
Signage
is
really
important.
The
other
thing
and
and
I
appreciate
everything
is
saying
it's
good.
It's
very
difficult,
there's
only
one
other
thing:
I
wanted
to
bring
up,
and
it
was
one
of
your
slides
and
I've
had
a
complaint
through
my
division
just
recently
about
the
the
signage
trailers
virtually
being
in
a
bike
lane,
but
I
guess,
but
you
did
make
the
the
point
about
how
you
know
it
is
a
challenge
to
find
safe
places
to
put
those
trailers,
but
you
on
your
slide.
E
Through
the
chair,
just
yeah,
the
the
positioning
of
our
trailer
for
enforcement,
so
the
challenge
I
have
is
finding
a
spot
for
the
trailer
that
has
to
be
on
the
road
and
not
in
a
footpath,
so
someone
would
collect
into
it.
But
at
the
same
time
a
writer
would
see
that
message.
So
a
lot
of
it's
about
the
default
messaging
default,
speed
limits
which
we're
really
trying
to
get
out
there
and
what
the
police
are
trying
to
do
is
to
just
give
out
this
business
cards.
E
G
It's
going
nowhere
and
because
we
don't
have
a
rental
scheme
where
we
can
work
with
a
provider
to
geofence
areas
and
stop
them
from
running
or
to
lower
their
speeds.
Remotely
people
have
purchased
equipment
and
you
can
download
updated
firmware
from
the
internet
and
you
can
override
any
speed
limitation
that
might
have
been
required
on
import.
And
so
it's
not
a
black
market.
G
Some
of
that
signage
has
actually
been
sort
of
ground
off
the
footpaths
and
we've
replaced
it
with
signage.
Every
few
hundred
meters,
which
says
you
know,
share
the
path,
I,
don't
think
the
signs
even
say.
Keep
left
I
just
wondered
whether
there
was
a
regulatory
reason
why
we're
not
trying
to
create
Lanes
on
our
wider
shed
paths,
because
for
me
that's
a
an
obvious
safety
step
that
we
could
be
taking.
F
E
So
all
all
users
keep
left
and
all
that
so
people
are
overtaking
and
all
that
so
we've
identified
areas
now
it
could
be
deficiencies,
deficiencies
in
the
network,
so
the
width
of
the
footpath
at
that
time,
when
we
built
the
footpath
many
years
ago,
it
met
the
criteria.
Today
it
doesn't
so
you
could
just
imagine
them1
20
years
ago
it
was
four
lanes.
Two
two
plus
two.
E
Now
it's
four
plus
four
volume's
grown
covet's
changed
the
way
we
do
things
a
lot
more
people
on
the
road,
walking,
cycling,
bikes
and
the
scooters
are
the
same
everyone's
input.
You
can
import
them
through
eBay,
so
a
lot
of
people
are
getting
that
the
the.
So
that's
the
sign.
It's
it's.
Compliance
with
the
signage
is.
G
I
G
Core
Business
for
Council
they
are
Core
Business
right,
so
roads,
roads
are
ambition,
footpaths
and
whenever
there
are
changes
on
the
footpath
network
or
the
way
people
use
them,
we
get
a
lot
of
feedback
as
counselors,
and
so
if
there
has
been
an
internal
policy,
change
it'd
be
useful.
If
that
is
socialized
with
us
as
counselors,
because
people
do
have
questions,
it
impacts
them
on
their
daily
commute
or
their
daily
walk.
G
F
So,
ultimately,
as
we're
now
into
the
solution
mode.
That's
absolutely
why
the
resolution
is
about
coming
and
talking
to
you
each
individually
about
what
are
those
impacts,
particularly
in
your
area,
and
what
are
the
treatments
that
may
or
may
not
work,
because
certainly
there
isn't
definitely
a
single
way
that
we're
going
to
resolve
these
issues
across
the
city.
So
that's
the
part
that's
to
come
today
was
really
about.
G
So
it's
not
a
speed
sign,
but
it
creates
that
kind
of
apprehension
as
a
driver
that
oh
hang
on
a
second
there
might
be
a
vulnerable
Road
user
about
to
Dart
in
front
of
me
and
to
me
that
is
something
that
we
should
be
looking
at.
Rather
than
dismissing
stickers
altogether
I
know
the
state
government
not
to
hear
praising
them,
but
they've
got
those
like
yellow
cool
flute,
cutout
people
that
they
place
along
the
M1.
I
G
What
I
would
have
liked
to
have
seen
it,
and
maybe
it's
underway
now
you
can
fill
me
in-
is
effectively
a
catalog
where,
if
a
resident
has
got
a
concern,
I
can
go
to
some
fact
sheet
and
say:
okay,
you
are
complaining
about
XYZ.
Here
are
some
of
the
road
treatments
which
may
be
available,
it
could
be
a
chicane
could
be
a
breakout.
It
could
be
a
speed
awareness
device
here.
Are
the
eligibility
criteria,
and
here
are
some
of
the
benefits
and
drawbacks
talked
about
it?
I
So
that's
something
we're
currently
working
on
and
the
way
I
see
it
as
we've
discussed,
is
more
of
like
a
toolbox,
so
you've
got
a
photo
which
is
obvious
of
what
the
device
is.
Some
advantages
disadvantages
and
maybe
some
high
level
criteria
that
we
assess
against
we're
looking
at
putting
that
through
Council
and
we'd
also
like
to
put
that
on
the
forward-facing
website
and
do
a
lot
of
work
around
the
communication
side.
I
So
the
road
safety
team
are
really
great
at
that
marketing
and
com
stuff,
but
the
team
I'm
from
Traffic
Engineers
we're
not
so
good
at
that
and,
for
example,
I
typed,
yellow
line
into
our
website
the
other
day.
It
brought
back
nothing
and
you
guys
would
know
how
many
requests
we
get
about
yellow
lines.
So
there's
no
information
on
our
forward-facing
website
about
yellow
lines
on
how
the
community
asks
for
them.
Why
we
would
install
them
why
we
would
install
them
so
I'm
doing
a
lot
of
work
on
some
web
content.
I
I've
also
got
three
DL
size
fact
sheets,
which
I
may
have
mentioned
to
some
of
you
in
the
past
that
I'm
trying
to
finalize
and
I've
worded
them
on
the
front.
It's
like
a
did,
you
know,
and
a
little
bit
of
education
and
on
the
back,
there's
kind
of
like
a
self-assessment
checklist,
so
they
can
go
to
like
if
it's
about
yellow
lines,
you
know,
is
your
street
narrow?
I
Are
there
other
yellow
lines
in
the
street
like
the
criteria
that
we
assess
against,
so
that
it's
managing
their
expectations
and
then
a
little
blurb
down
the
bottom
saying?
Well,
if
you
said
no
to
some
of
the
above,
maybe
you're
not
going
to
get
it,
but
if
you
want
to
contact
us,
here's
the
traffic,
engineer's
contact
details
and
then
even
a
little
spot
for
them
to
write
their
path
by
number
once
they
get
it
and.
G
When
there
are
multiple
lanes
and
at
the
moment,
I'm
constrained
in
my
ability
to
deploy
my
divisional
speed
awareness
devices,
because
the
road
geometry
requirements
are
so
narrow
that
unless
I've
got
like
60
meters
or
more
of
Runway
and
I'm
dealing
with
a
straight
road
and
there's
only
a
single
Lane,
only
if
I've
checked
those
things
can
actually
put
a
sign
there.
So
so
my
question
is
with
speed
awareness
devices.
E
Through
the
chair,
if
I
could
answer
that
quickly,
we've
got
yes
you're
right.
We've
got
a
140,
odd
signs
and
a
lot
of
them
once
they
come
into
the
end
of
their
life,
but
they
just
started
warranty
and
they
still
have
a
lot
of
life
left
in
them.
So
it's
a
bit
of
electronics
and
Mechanicals
that
has
to
happen
in
our
pinching
path
from
here
and
getting
them
to
work.
E
The
thing
we're
looking
at
and
we're
talking
to
other
councils,
so
there's
four
other
councils
that
are
operating
under
the
same
contract
with
the
same
supplier,
we're
looking
at
the
new
generation.
So
we're
on
to
the
third
generation
of
these
sad
signs.
The
Next
Generation,
which
one
of
them's
being
trialed
Logan,
is
for
a
wildlife
thing,
short
distance.
E
It's
on
one
lane,
but
we're
looking
at
a
multi-lane.
So
two
lanes
in
One
Direction
sort
of
signage
how
it
will
distinguish
you're
right
about
the
highway
stuff.
It
does
the
inner
two
lanes.
So
we
want
them
for
the
same
thing
may
not
be
the
same
Supply
but
it'd
certainly
be
it'll,
be
open
to
Market.
So
when
we
come
to
the
end
of
that
contract,
that'll
be
something
we'll
be
looking
into.
E
But
having
said
that,
the
current
signs
that
we
have
and
I
know
that
for
effects
I've
worked
on
them
is
that
we
can
change
the
length.
So
it's
an
entry,
speed
and
exit
speed.
So
at
the
moment
it's
on
a
defaulted
say:
90
meters,
to
200
meters.
It
picks
you
up.
There
reads
you
there
in
some
way
it
displays
a
speed
or
some
message.
We
are
trying
to
get
that
shorter.
E
J
J
J
Yep
also,
we
spoke
about
Council
I've
also
mentioned
about
geofencing
and
ability
to
actually
have
commercial
operators
have
that
geo-fencing
or
limiting
on
their
device
on
their
whatever
they
hire
out
so
again,
I'll
use
surface,
but
any
area.
If
you're
commercial
operator,
how
are
we
able
to
have
the
ability
to
put
a
limiting
device
on
these
scooters
and
also
create
a
a
Geo
fence
around
I'm
in
Brisbane?
You
can
go
around
there
and
it's
fully
controlled.
E
I'll
answer
that
very
quickly:
that's
just
off
the
top
of
my
head.
We
belong
to
that
personal
Mobility
device,
Forum
managed
by
TMR
based
out
of
Brisbane,
so
I'll
I'll
get
that
on
on
the
agenda
for
the
next
meeting,
which
is
I
think
is
next
month
to
have
a
discussion
about
geofencing,
not
the
height
scheme,
but
the
the
private
high.
It's
good
is
so
interesting
space.
So
we'll
I
like
that.
E
J
And
it'd
be
great
if
we
could
drive
that,
and
last
question
is:
has
there
ever
been
any
conversation
about
scooter?
These
devices
been
been
having
to
be
registered
registration
and
obviously
fines
enforced
on
the
operator
no
different
to.
If
you
get
a
jet
ski
or
a
boat
license,
you
can
still
affect
your
current
driving
license
as
well.
Is
there
anything
in
that
space
that
state
government's
looking
at.
E
Yes
and
no,
it's
I
think
they
operate
under
the
same
rules
as
a
bicycle
or
as
a
cycle,
so
you
don't
need
a
license.
The
previously,
if
you're
on
the
road
riding,
you
would
most
likely
have
a
driver's
license.
In
our
case
now,
we've
got
young
people
who
do
not
have
any
driver's
license
or
any
form
of
ID.
So
that's
a
conversation
I
think
they're
having
on
the
side,
because
it's
it
is
an
issue
for
enforcement.
J
J
F
K
Thank
you
three
chair
I'm,
coming
back
to
the
question
on
enforcement,
which
I
I
kind
of
find
somewhat
fanciful
at
the
moment,
I
have
a
very
close
working
relationship
with
the
Southport
police
station
and
I
am
clear.
They
do
not
have
five
minutes
a
month
to
allocate
to
this.
They
just
don't
I
can't
get
22
minutes
a
week
for
them
to
do
a
police
beat
in
the
CBD
where
they
know
it's
essential
because
they
don't
have
the
time
you
commented
when
there
were
questions
about
what
enforcement's
been
done.
K
So
I
get
that
you
haven't,
provided
any
details,
but
you've
presented
Brisbane
brisbane's
ratio
of
police
per
capita
is
significantly
higher
than
here,
so
I
I.
Just
wonder
whether
there's
I
every
time
we
come
back
to
this.
The
answer
is
enforcement.
We
aren't
going
to
get
enforcement.
What
makes
you
confident
that
enforcement
is
going
to
be
the
answer?
I
I,
because
from
where
I
sit
and
what
I
see
what
the
police
are
doing
right
now,
this
is
not
going
to
happen
even
if
they
could
easily
stop
on
the
side
of
the
road
or
yeah
through.
E
The
chair
very
quickly:
yes,
you
are
right.
It
is
a
resource
issue
for
QPS.
We
we
have
some
I
think
his
sign
is
in
education.
That's
our
role
and
you
can
you
can
educate
someone
to
everything.
You've
got
it's
whether
the
person
then
takes
it
on
PPS
and
I.
Think
it's
more.
The
highway
patrol
guys
are
doing
it,
but
they
have
other
other
priorities
to
worry
about
them.
Pulling
some
kid
on
a
bike
and
I
agree
100,
so
we're
in
this
difficult
space
of
one
resourcing.
A
lot
of
people
are
still
on.
E
A
lot
of
police
officers
are
still
on
leave.
There's
domestic
violence,
which
is
the
number
one
agenda,
as
we
all
know,
for
police
requirements
and
road
safety
is
down
there
because
the
odd
person
will
get
killed
or
seriously
injured,
but
pulling
some
kid
on
a
PMD
not
wearing
his
helmet.
It's
very
low,
so
I
agree
with
your
thing:
they
have.
They
have
we're
working
together.
They
try
anything,
but
it
won't
be
Southport
or
broad,
Beach
or
KIRO.
You
know
police
stations
doing
that.
L
L
I
can
add
counselor.
Sorry,
madam
chair
It's,
a
combination,
it's
it's
like
same
with
cars
on
the
road.
It's
a
combination
of
Enforcement
Education,
make
sure
the
engineering's
right
make
sure
the
pavement
markings
right,
and
that's
that's
one
of
the
reasons
why
we
will
do
our
bit
in
terms
of
making
sure
that
the
engineering's
right
and
we'll
help
them
help
the
state
and
racq
and
the
like,
with
the
education
and
the
and
the
marketing
of
what
is
safe.
L
What
is
what
is
safe
for
the
community
in
using
these
devices,
but
that's
one
of
the
reasons
why
we've
got
the
recommendation
that
the
mayor
actually
write
to
the
state
because
we
need
enforcement
to
do
with
spit
and
it's
it
sits
with
the
state
and
we
just
need
to
make
sure
that
they
do
they
do
their
bit
and
and
provide
the
right
enforcement.
As
part
of
that
part
of
the
bigger
plan.
F
If
I
can,
through
you,
madam
chair,
so
just
to
add
to
that
as
well,
one
of
the
things
we
we
have
been
thinking
about
is
how
we
provide
additional
data
and
reporting
to
provide
that
information
to
to
the
state
so
that
they
can
prioritize
some
of
that
enforcement.
If
we
do
in
the
areas
where
we
think
it
is
highly
likely
so
utilizing
some
of
that
in
that
that
AI
crash
analysis
potentially
using
CCTV,
as
well
as
our
devices
to
actually
start
getting
some
of
that
data.
F
F
F
C
There's
no
mention
of
hooning
and
in
my
area,
just
as
an
indication
of
how
diverse
our
city
is,
I've
got
no
Pathways
I'm,
trying
desperately
to
put
them
in,
but
I've
got
lots
of
hoons
having
to
swap
with
some
people
and
I
just
wondered
about
the
legislative
changes
that
were
being
promoted
through
the
state
government,
about
hooning
and
about
enforcement
of
that.
Where
are
we
at?
Can
you
tell
me
please.
E
Through
the
chair,
I'll
give
a
just
a
brief
update.
I
deliberately
did
include
didn't
include
that
on
the
on
that
report,
because
I
was
new
in
this
space,
but
it's
our
our
community
service
people
who
manage
the
hooding
the
CCTV
side,
I'm
involved
more
in
the
Intel
side,
with
the
hooning,
with
with
the
Logan
background
that
I
have
so
it's
the
same
relationships
that
have
gone
come
through.
E
So
the
hooning,
the
honing
that
the
police
are
targeting
is
in
the
small
streets
that
come
out
of
Beck
Pines
Road
and
they
they
scream
the
wheels
and
they
go
more
after
the
large
hooning
large
groups,
and
we
would
have
seen
them
on
the
news.
The
last
couple
of
days
so
they're
the
ones
they've
been
targeting.
So
they
are
so
it's
a
combination
of
couple
different
police
districts
working
together
so
what's
coming
out
of
Logan,
is
coming
to
the
Northern
Gold
Coast.
C
C
Vossey,
you
might
be
able
to
help
me
through
each
year,
because
this
was
discussed
last
year.
The
state
government
was
going
to
introduce
new
legislation
to
enable
the
enforcement
of
anti-earning
laws
against
perpetrators,
and
we
didn't
have
the
capacity
to
full
provide
any
assistance.
Our
cameras
aren't
sufficient
quality
or
resolution,
or
anything
like
that
to
provide
the
information.
G
Necessary
and
look
to
any
media
watching
back
the
stream
or
streaming
in.
Please
heed
my
repeated
pleas
to
you
to
keep
me
out
of
media
coverage,
because
it's
come
at
a
significant
personal
cost.
To
me,
the
state
government
did,
after
years
of
campaigning
by
this
Council
and
other
councils,
they
did
amend
legislation
to
link
the
offense
of
hooning
to
the
registered
owner
of
a
vehicle,
but
my
understanding
is
that
it
was
only
for
extremely
high
range
earning
events.
G
G
Basically,
you
might
be
aware
of
where
police
were
able
to
arrest,
I
think
up
to
20
individuals,
but
only
because
there
was
an
organized
or
advertised
Hoon
Meetup
right
as
far
as
as
far
as
I
know,
the
state
government
did
not
fully
implement
no
the
laws
as
we
were
arguing
for
which
really
is
stupid
on
their
part,
because
what
we're
asking
for
is
a
harmonization
between
the
way
in
which
speed
tickets
are
issued
in
the
way
hoons
carry
on
on
our
roads.
Yeah
it.
G
G
It
would
be
a
silver
bullet
which
would
end
hooning
overnight,
but
the
government
has
not
yet
taken
up
that
act
and
so
to
answer
your
question
I,
think
publicly
and
through
media
statements
there
has
been
a
perceived
reform
to
the
legislation
practically
though
I
believe
the
reforms
haven't
delivered.
Anything
like
we
were
asking
for
thank.
C
You
I
think
that's
an
important
question
to
ask
and
be
answered,
because
my
understanding
too,
is
that
the
government
did
look
at
it
got
so
far,
but
then
it
was
realized,
it's
a
criminal.
It
creates
a
criminal
act
out
of
it
and
they
didn't
want
us
to
do
that
and
they've
pulled
away
from
that
promise,
something
that
we
can
control.
Then
I've
had
Wildlife
a
couple
of
wildlife
signs
on
order
for
about
a
year,
and
these
were
budgeted
for
in
2020
23.
C
They
were
anticipated
in
a
in
a
report
that
came
to
this
committee
for
the
implementation
of
or
introduction
of
these
signs
in
a
couple
of
locations
and
I'm
constantly
on
the
back
of
the
officer,
who's
meant
to
be
monitoring
this
project
or
delivering
the
outcome
and
we're
waiting
for
stuff
to
come
from
overseas.
It's
ridiculous!
Why
can't
we
get
the
sign
locally
made,
or
is
there
ambition
to
change
the
contract
about
the
delivery
of
those
sorts
of
vehicle
activated
signs.
L
F
Sorry,
if
I
can
as
well
ultimately
I
mean
obviously
there's
still
Supply
chains
with
various
things,
so
it
may
be
out
of
our
control
if
it's
coming
from
overseas
I
think
it's
no
different,
potentially
as
as
we
have
issues
with
getting
vehicles
and
plant
and
and
so
forth.
So
it
may
be
that
that
that
may
be
just
the
issue,
but
we'll
take
it
on
notice
and
confirm
it.
C
Certainly
is
that's
what
I've
been
advised
by
the
officer?
That's
just
waiting
for
the
delivery
of
these
things
and
once
they're
here,
waiting
for
them
to
be
installed
but
and
I'll
bring
that
to
your
attention.
Dale
thanks
for
the
offer,
but
there
seems
to
be
a
problem
with
the
supply.
Why
can't
we
get
a
local
Supply?
Where
does
it
have
to
come
from
the
UK
I
mean
we
speak.
C
With
the
school
cameras,
I'm
really
in
support
of
the
States
move
to
roll
out
the
cameras
at
in
school
zones
and
I.
Just
wonder
if
there's
an
update
coming
to
us
about
how
that
might
be
ramped
up,
we've
got
two
in
a
pilot.
I
mean
I
was
in
New
South
Wales
driving
around
five
years
ago,
and
they
had
them
every
school
everywhere,
like
even
in
The
Boondocks
and
we're
way
behind.
So.
E
C
So
you're
saying
that
we
can
not
okay
yeah,
we
can
apply
for
that.
Okay,
I'll
do
that!
I
could
come
back
to
this
50k
in
this.
My
street
thing
and
I'll.
Just
briefly
touch
upon
it,
in
my
opinion,
is
just
a
really
great
opportunity
lost.
It
was
never
intended
to
be
a
50k
in
my
street.
The
idea
was
nurtured.
C
The
nub
of
it
was
just
to
have
a
message
on
people's
bins
that
slow
down
my
street,
just
something
simple,
very
personal
but
broadcast,
and
something
I
want
to
own
and
adopt
and
say
slow
down
in
my
street
because
I'm
sick
of
your
speeding
and
it
became
this
complex,
technical
engineering
thing.
Where
then
it
became
a
50k
sign
which
is
a
regulatory
sign
and
could
only
only
be
applied
by
authorized
Personnel
to
the
bin.
Then
we
had
to
get
traffic.
C
In
to
safe,
where
to
get
traffic
controllers
in
at
cost
to
safeguard
the
people
applying
the
stickers
to
the
bin,
they
can
only
be
put
into
certain
streets,
obviously
the
50,
because
but
then
there's
problems.
You
know
you
might
move
and
take
your
bin
and
now
you're
in
a
60k
Zone
you've
put
your
50
bin
out.
It.
C
Bizarre
yeah
traffic
I'm
not
kidding,
and
only
in
certain
speeds
where
you
had
certain
volume
of
traffic
and
the
problem
was
those
those
little
streets
were
the
where
the
real
problem
was
because
they
didn't
have
enough
traffic
to
to
support
or
warrant
her
safety
sign
being
installed.
Just
a
really
complex
solution
to
something
that
was
seemingly
simple
and
I'll
continue
to
pursue.
C
F
So
sorry,
if
I
could
quickly
respond
to
that,
please
cancel
it
through
you,
madam
chair,
so
absolutely
taking
on
notice.
There
is
a
psychology
behind
messaging
that
should
be
applied
to
that
which
and
I
think
we've
had
some
examples
with
potentially
pictures
of
children
that
we
will.
There
are
experts
in
this
field
and
we
will
take
that
on
notice
and
we
will
come
back
with
some
suggestions
which
are
based.
C
H
A
D
Thanks
chairman
I
just
wanted
to
ask
through
you,
chair
to
the
officers
at
coomera
Waters,
we
have
a
walkway
that
has
been
problematic.
It's
a
public
access
easement
over
private
property,
so
it's
waterfront
Land
that
has
a
public
walkway
access
way
between
the
rear
backyard
and
the
Waterfront
it's
on
the
title
of
each
of
the
properties,
but
it's
it
was
approved
as
an
easement
to
council
during
the
development
application
and
on
that
walkway
we
have
signage.
D
That
indicates
what
can
and
can't
occur
on
the
walkway,
together
with
the
opportunity
to
issue
a
fine
to
users
who
are
found
not
to
be
using
that
pathway
in
accordance
with
the
signage
and
there's
no
amount
indicated
on
the
signage,
because
it
changes
every
year
with
the
adoption
of
our
fees
and
charges.
But
my
question
is:
if
we
can
do
that
there,
why
can't
we
do
it?
Where
we're
having
all
of
the
problems
on
the
Ocean
Way.
F
So
everyone's
looking
at
silence
through
human
chat,
so
we
we
are
actually
having
a
talk
to
the
health
and
Regulatory
area
about
potentially,
if
there
is
a
local
law
that
we
could
potentially
rely
on
in
terms
of
some
of
this,
but
ultimately
road
comes
under
QPS
and
I
and
we'll
have
to
check
and
understand
if
there
is
a
difference
between
the
easement
component
and
a
footpath.
But
that's
one
of
the
things
that
we
we
should
look
at
to
see.
If
there
is
compliance
activity
that
we
could
look
into.
Are
you.
B
F
B
A
B
F
F
M
I
had
a
question
about
the
crash
investigation,
Alliance
and
it's
around
I
have
found
it
a
little
bit
hit
and
miss
on
when
I
actually
get
reports
of
crashes
that
have
occurred.
What
the
investigation
has
found,
I've
had
some
on
occasion,
go
chasing
them
and
then
sometimes
it's
because
it
wasn't
a
threshold
where
officers
thought
they
needed
to
report
it
through
to
me.
A
And
I
think
on
that
too,
and
I
would
agree
with
you
on
that.
It's
just
whether
it's
driver
error,
whether
it's
been
a
weather,
related
scene,
whether
it's
been
a
medical
incident,
things
like
that,
so
that
when
you
go
to
those
meetings-
and
they
say
council's
not
doing
their
job
well,
actually
that
wasn't
a
counselor
error.
It
was
a
cancer.
It
was
a
blah
blah
blah
without
giving
out
any
personal
details.
We've
had
a
lot
of
that
in
division,
12
schools.
A
B
M
24
yeah,
so
I
can
only
talk
to
the
fact
that
I
have
had
a
couple
and
they
weren't
where
I've
requested
them.
It
was
just
that
a
crash
occurred
where
QPS
and
ambulance
had
to
arrive.
We
expect
you
to
probably
get
questions
about
it.
Here's
some
information
which
I
thought
that's
brilliant,
but
there's
there's
obviously
no
internal
formal
policy
around
it
of
what
the
threshold
is
of
where
an
investigation
occurs
and
something
coming
to
councilors.
M
So
we
get
that
quarterly
update
where
you'll
get
a
PDF
sheet
through
for
each
of
the
devices
and
then
some
counselors
choose
to
put
it
all
up
in
one
hit.
Others
break
it
into
a
table
to
put
out,
but
there's
no
single
point
of
contact
where
the
community
can
go.
Looking
for
that,
like
it's
information
you
give
to
us
to
put
out
there,
just
put
it
on
the
web
forward
facing
website.
So
then
the
scene
we
can
direct
them
there
or
in
the
mapping
system.
M
We
can
see
where
an
investigation
has
occurred,
but
is
there
just
somewhere?
We
could
easily
look
up
the
history
instead
of
having
to
go
back
through
a
dozen
PDF
sheets
to
work
out
what
the
trend
has
been
and
whatnot
again,
keeping
Community
updated
and
that
education
piece
we
get
some
great
data
from
it,
just
a
better
format
or
a
better
process,
or
some
different
ideas
about
how
we
can
use
that
information
a
bit
more
effectively.
Yep.
F
Through
through
your
Madam
chair,
absolutely
I
think
Renee
Renee
has
already
mentioned.
We
really
want
to
start
focusing
on
how
we
get
this
information
better
out
to
the
community
and
the
assessment
of
our
website
as
one
of
our
tools
that
we
should
be
using
as
a
channel
for
this
stuff.
It's
not
there.
So
it's
absolutely
a
focus
for
the
team
about
how
we
start
to
do
some
better
campaigning
and
marketing,
and
also
using
that
data
in
a
more
effective
way.
Thank.
E
Just
to
add
Madam
chair
with
the
crash
investigations,
we
I
hope
to
improve
that
that
advisory
process.
So,
in
my
previous
roles,
what
we
did
was
what
I
did
was
when
I
got
notified
of
a
crash,
which
is
any
time
of
the
day.
I
would
normally
email
the
counselor
involved.
Saying
look
heads
up
been
a
crash
involved,
X
and
Y
were
involved.
Police
think
this
is
the
this.
These
were
the
reasons.
I
would
then
have
some
further
information,
probably
the
next
working
day
saying
it
was
speeding,
drink
driving
police
chase,
whatever
it
was.
E
M
Here
that
was
exactly
what
I
got
and
it
only
was
a
couple
occasions:
I
have
to
admit
I
think
it
was
in
the
first
year
of
office,
but
that's
what
I
got
and
then
those
occasions
I
wasn't
aware
of
the
accident
and
then
exactly
as
the
officers
put
it.
Someone
asked
a
question
on
Facebook
or
the
next
community
meeting
it
came
up
and
I
wasn't
surprised
by
it,
and
I
could
offer
some
information
back.
That
was
accurate
and
the
community
really
appreciated
it.
So
if
that's
coming,
that
would
be
fantastic.
It'll.
L
Yeah
you,
madam
chair,
that
was
the
temper.
Of
course
you
know
I
was
just
going
to
add.
We
typically
only
get
that
level
of
detail
where
the
forensic
crash
unit
are
actually
on
site
and
which
are
typically
the
the
fatals
and
the
serious
injuries
for
the
the
more
minor
Bengals.
We
don't
get
that
data
until
much
later
in
the
piece,
sometimes
would
be
it'd
be
months
yeah
or
we
can
get
the
site
written.
M
So
Chad
I
understand
that
the
fatality,
like
that's
the
extreme
end
and
I'm,
not
talking
about
where
there's
a
little
little
ding
but
like
ones
where
there's
been
a
T-bone
or
a
major
deflection
where
someone's
been
hospitalized
I
think
was
the
threshold
that
was
I,
guess
I
had
in
my
head.
If
someone's
ended
up
in
hospital
because
of
it,
forensics
may
not
come
to
it,
but
QPS
and
qas
have
gone
there.
A
C
K
K
G
K
K
C
B
A
A
C
C
Don't
think
I
need
to
speak
to
it,
but
I'm
happy
to
if
you
want
yeah
I
mean
obviously
we're
dealing
with
a
whole
range
of
issues
that
affect
us
all
in
our
communities
and
the
more
input
we
can
have
into
this
evolving
planning
and
and
implementation
for
the
safety
of
the
community.
The
better
I
think
thanks.