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00:00 Meeting Commences, Attendance/Apologies, Leave of Absence, Confirmation of Minutes, Conflict of Interest Declarations, Committee Forward Planning Schedule 5.1, Reports 6.1, 6.2
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53:00 Closed Session Report 7.1
1:22:00 Open Session
1:33:00 General Business 8.1
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A
B
B
A
A
C
Jacket
so
I
think
we're
all
we're
all
pleasantly
surprised
so
before
we
quickly
kick
into
the
report
just
a
couple
of
things.
So
there
was
a
change
to
the
analysis
options
and
there
is
a
new
revision
for
you.
All
Mitch
will
take
you
through
the
key
changes
in
that
it
was
an
earlier
version
that
was
done
prior
to
some
consultation
with
Parks,
so
we'll
go
through
that
component.
C
So
today,
if
I
probably
kick
off.
Obviously
the
silver
ferns
has
been
around
for
quite
some
time.
Certainly
before
Mitch
and
I
were
in
the
TNI
team,
we
last
came
to
Council
in
2019
and
essentially
we're
asked
to
go
and
do
some
analysis
about
utilizing
the
art
which
had
been
commissioned
in
partnership
with
the
state
somewhere
in
the
light
light
rail
Corridor
in
stage
three
so
today,
Mitch
is
here
to
present
on.
C
Obviously
we
did
that
analysis,
the
reasons
why
that
wasn't
appropriate
and
while
we've
actually
reverted
back
to
a
previous
recommendation
to
look
at
the
botanical
gardens,
what
we've
done
is
ultimately
provide
you
with
all
the
information
relating
to
the
different
types
of
costs.
One
of
my
observations
when
I
joined
the
ti
team
was
that
sometimes
we
talked
to
council
about
implementation
costs,
but
not
necessarily
about
the
total
life
of
costs.
So
the
team
have
done
that
analysis
that
you
understand
the
maintenance
and
ongoing
for
the
30
years.
A
C
D
D
D
The
the
light
rail
stage,
3
team
did
some
feasibility
assessment
of
that
and
it
was
found
that
we
couldn't
actually
get
it
into
that
sort
of
rail
corridor.
It's
just
too
many
services,
too
many
constraints
to
be
able
to
place
it
in
that
space.
So
we
reverted
back
to
some
previous
sites
that
had
been
identified,
one
of
those
being
the
Botanical
Gardens.
D
The
second
site
is,
as
you
head
around
on
the
Ring
Road,
it's
on
the
very
Eastern
side
and
then
the
third
site
is
down
on
the
the
Promenade
space
at
the
at
the
southern
side
of
the
botanical
gardens
and
again,
I'll
I'll
make
note
that
we
did
actually
attach
an
earlier
version
of
the
multi-criteria
analysis
and
I'll
plead
high
performance
principle,
number
10,
where
it's
okay
to
make
mistakes.
So
apologies
for
that.
D
Well,
that's
true,
but
so
the
multi-criteria
analysis
looked
at
a
range
of
different
components
in
including
ability
to
to
be
able
to
construct
the
location,
the
artist's
intent
as
well
as
cost
and
and
all
of
those
other
components
and
I
guess.
The
main
difference
between
the
original
report
that
you
saw
as
part
of
the
agenda
item
and
the
revised
one
that
was
meant
to
be
attached
was
that
posts
around
about
mid-January.
D
We
went
back
and
did
some
additional
collaboration
with
our
team
from
lnc,
and
there
was
some
very
strong
opposition
to
the
removal
of
trees
foliage
down
in
that
Promenade
space,
which
gave
the
multi-criteria
analysis
a
different
view.
You
can
see
that
from
that
MCA.
All
of
the
results
are
actually
very
similar,
they're
all
really
quite
close,
but
location.
One
did
Edge
out
the
other
two
locations.
D
B
D
The
initial
intent
was
to
ensure
that
the
artwork
was
placed
in
accordance
with
what
the
artist
had
envisioned
yeah.
So
to
be
able
to
do
that,
there
was
quite
a
lot
of
work
involved
in
that
placement.
We've
actually
adjusted
the
placement
of
those
so
that
we
don't
impact
as
much
of
the
site
so
initially
you're
right.
We
were
envisaged,
envisaging
that
there
was
going
to
be
more
works
at
that
entry
statement,
but
following
consultation
with
with
lnc,
we
we've
managed
to
look
at
some
locations
that
don't
have
that.
B
D
No
they're
not
substantially
different,
so
they've
all
got
their
own
constraints,
so
obviously
the
the
location
down
at
site,
three,
which
is
down
at
the
bottom
of
the
site,
doesn't
have
as
much
associated
with
road
work.
So
the
site,
one
at
the
entry,
requires
a
concrete
barrier
to
protect
from
an
errant
vehicle
which
does
add
cost
to
that
site.
B
D
Yeah,
so
so,
potentially
so,
I'll
cover
the
maintenance
costs,
as
they
are
at
the
moment,
so
we've
engaged
in
external
Consultants
to
do
an
assessment
of
the
condition
of
the
artwork
and
no
no
disrespect
to
the
artist,
but
from
a
an
engineering
perspective,
the
finish
of
the
surface
isn't
quite
where
we
want
it
to
be.
So
there
are
some
discrepancies
in
terms
of
meeting
standards
that
reduce
potential
for
corrosion
tarnishing
that
sort
of
thing.
D
Example,
that
is
so.
That
is
one
potential.
Obviously,
there
are
a
couple
of
components
of
that
around
the
base
plates
and
the
light
where
we
we
don't
want
to
see
any
corrosion,
but
the
patina
could
be
something
that
we
could
live
with
because
of
the
the
size
of
the
structures
and
then
the
the
requirement
for
the
detailed
polishing
and
the
light.
It's
likely
that
we'll
have
to
dismantle
them
to
be
able
to
do
that
to
get
it
back
to
Optimal
State.
D
The
alternative
is
is
that
we
could
look
at
expending
additional
money
as
part
of
the
capital
process
to
get
the
structures
up
to
the
appropriate
standard
before
we
put
them
in
place.
That,
at
this
point
in
time,
requires
a
specialist
provider
and
some
specialist
facilities,
because
it's
quite
technical
what
they
have
to
do
to
try
to
get
it
back
up
to
the
appropriate
standard.
B
Okay
and
I'd
like
to
appreciate
where
we
might
be
in
regards
to
our
obligations
to
the
artists
that
we
decoupled
ourselves
from
the
artist
so
I
read
in
the
report
that
if
we,
we
don't
put
it
in
surface
paradise
and
we
locate
it
somewhere
else
that
we
we're
just
gonna
not
acknowledge.
The
artist's
name
is
that
is
that
the
end
of
Our
obligation
there.
So.
D
What
I
would
say
is
that
we've
sought
that
advice,
which
we
can
do
I
guess
the
next
step.
If
we
determine
a
location,
if
canceled
discernments
a
location
would
be
to
go
back
to
the
artist
to
see
if
they
do
want
their
name
associated
with
the
artwork
in
that
location.
If
we,
if,
if
the
artist
chooses
not
to
have
themselves
associated
with
it,
then
that
is
the
end
of
their
obligation.
As
far
as
I
understand.
B
And,
and
my
recollection
of
the
conversation
that
we
might
have
had
previously
in
regards
to
the
Kira
Eagle
is
that
we
had
to
offer
I
thought
we
had
to
offer
the
the
artwork
back
to
the
the
artists
in
order
to
be
able
to
deal
with
it.
If
we
wanted
to,
for
example,
dispose
off
an
asset.
Is
that
the
case
oh
I,.
C
E
D
My
understanding
and
I
haven't
got
anything
documented
to
support
that,
but
my
understanding,
after
speaking
to
a
number
of
different
persons
involved
in
that
space,
was
that
the
state,
Grant
or
gifted
or
granted
money
as
part
of
that
public
art
realm
component
of
the
light
rail
stage.
One
two
Council
I.
E
Don't
believe,
that's
true
I
believe
it
was
a
biodiversity
Grant
specifically
because
we
couldn't
undertake
within
surface
Paradise
Precinct
the
natural
planting
that
we
were
to
undertake.
So
I
guess
I
struggle
with
this,
because
I
can't
understand
how
something
was
commissioned:
that's
unsuitable
for
the
light
rail
track,
given
that
we
can't
now
accommodate
it
knobbies
because
of
the
services,
so
it
we
got
funding
for
a
grant
that
was
never
going
to
be
able
to
be
materialized
as
part
of
the
light
rail
network,
which
is
why
we
were
given
the
money.
It's.
C
Weird
so
so
councilor
Gates
I
I
can
confirm
some
of
that
for
you,
so
I
am
obviously
neither
neither
Mitch
or
I
being
involved.
Originally
I
have
their
previous
report
in
front
of
me,
and
certainly
from
that,
when
we
came
to
Committee
in
2019,
we
spoke
about
it
being
part
of
the
funding
deed,
originally
as
a
contribution
towards
stage
one
which
was,
and
this
was
included
in
the
council
and
kind
costs
for
the
stage
one.
C
So
there
was
an
agreement
from
the
state
to
allocate
750
thousands
of
those
funds
to
Urban,
Design
and
Landscaping
enhancements
to
improve
the
corridor,
and
that
was
broken
down
into
the
410
896
for
the
public
art
and
the
balance
to
be
spent
on
public
space
and
Landscaping
works.
So
when
we
we
did
a
little
bit
of
due
diligence
that
that
funding,
because
it
was
canceling
kind,
has
been
completed
in
other
works
as
I
understand
as
part
of
stage
one.
E
F
Thank
you,
and
has
it
been
any
valuation
of
the
art
piece
if
we
did
want
to
not
install
it
and
and
and
sell
it
I
know,
there's
some
obviously
artists
involved
in
relation
to
the
the
the
design
work,
but,
as
have
we
ever
considered
because
for
me
the
cost
of
insulation
is
double
of
what
we
actually
paid
for
it
and
the
other
question
I
do
have
is
when
we
actually
commissioned
it.
Was
there
a
proportion
of
the
funds
allocated
at
that
time
for
insulation
and
what
was
that
amount.
C
G
My
question
is:
has
any
work
been
done
around
the
planning
for
that
intersection
upgrade
as
we've
resolved,
and,
if
so,
has
that
been
countenanced
in
the
potential
location
of
these
ferns
at
the
entrance
itself?
In
other
words,
are
we
potentially
putting
these
ferns
at
a
location
which
might
need
to
be
moved?
C
H
Thank
you
through
you,
madam
chair.
Yes,
Council
of
horse
you're,
absolutely
correct
when
we
brought
back
the
100
concept
design
on
the
biodiversity
Center
proposal.
There
was
a
piece
of
work
that
had
to
go
away
as
well
as
well
as
the
MCU
to
have
a
look
at
that
traffic
study.
That
work
is
beginning.
We
there's
a
bit
to
that,
but
we
have.
We
don't
envisage
the
placement
of
these
ferns
having
an
impact
on
that
at
this
stage
and.
I
C
Through
you,
sorry
so
from
our
perspective,
we
went
back
to
the
previous
I
guess
areas
that
had
been
considered.
We
didn't
open
up
to
the
whole
of
the
city
in
terms
of
those
different
areas,
so
we
stayed
in
terms
of
the
investigation
areas
that
had
been
envisioned
originally.
As
per
the
previous
report.
Okay
and.
I
I
mean
this
is,
quite
you
know,
a
statement
if
it
was
to
go
in
for
the
gardens
and
our
friends
of
the
gardens
are
pretty
integral
to
that
area
and
the
development
of
it.
My
understanding
is
well
in
their
experience.
They
haven't
been
consulted.
More
they've
been
told
I'll
just
be
curious
to
know
about
a
Consulting.
What
the
Consulting
approach
is
when
we're
looking
at
putting
this
there.
H
I
I
A
Know
whether
we
can
gift
it
councilor
Patterson,
so
it
is
a
question.
No
no
I
will
respond
to
that.
As
in
in
my
area
alone,
they've
investigated
knobby's
they've
investigated
a
park
Syria
that
investigated
Memorial
Park,
so
I
listed
come
forward
of
areas
on
the
light
rail
Corridor
that
could
possibly
support
it.
They're
all
investigated,
and
none
of
them
were
seen
fit
for
that.
So
there
has
been
lists
in
the
past:
they're
not
all
listed
down
there
now
because
they
were
out
of
the
picture
because
they
couldn't
be
supported.
C
So
through
you
imagine,
chair,
thank
you,
so
we
obviously
looked
in
the
light
rail
Corridor,
so
the
last
report
that
went
to
council,
that
was
what
the
request
was
for
us
to
do,
which
was
to
there
was
a
number
of
Investigations
and
the
requests
for
us
to
go
and
investigate
nobby's,
Beach
and
the
rest
of
the
light
rail
stage,
three
Corridor.
So
ultimately
we
weren't
able
to
find
a
place.
There
was
a
working
group
that
actually
worked
through
a
number
of
different
places
within
it.
C
C
I
A
part
so
and
I
I'm,
pretty
sure,
I,
know
the
answer
to
this,
but
I
just
would
like
it
to
be
said
when
we're
looking
at
putting
this
there
in
the
gardens,
this
isn't
out
of
any
kind
of
guidance
of
what
we
need
or
want
to
present
represent
our
Gardens
right.
This
is
purely
where
do
we
put
this
thing?
That's
effectively.
The
question
you're
answering
is
that
correct.
C
Ultimately,
through
you,
madam
chair,
ultimately,
yes,
so
you
know,
as
I
mentioned,
there's
obviously
a
long
history
here
and
there's
multitude
of
learnings
throughout
the
process.
Absolutely
from
our
perspective,
you
know
the
city
assets
team
now
have
this
this
artwork
and
it's
it's
literally
sitting
there
and
we're
looking
for
guidance
on
how
you'd
like
us
to
to
proceed.
J
J
B
K
G
A
J
A
A
J
Like
I
know,
the
focus
has
been
on
how
much
to
install
in
the
first
place.
But
the
suggestion
is:
is
that
there's
a
million
dollars
plus
to
be
spent
effectively
polishing?
This
thing
over
the
next
30
Years,
which
I
find
difficult
to
accept
and
I?
Think
most
of
our
rate
payers
would
find
difficult
to
accept.
J
Further
concern
to
me
is
I'm,
not
sure
why
we
didn't
look
at
other
locations.
I
know
this
history
on
this,
but
in
this
particular
report,
I
think
it
would
have
been
an
opportunity
to
have
said
that
we
did
look
at
other
locations.
They
may
they
may
not
be
cheaper,
but
I
think
looking
at
other
locations
should
have
been
part
of
it
and
finally,
I
think
it's
a
realistic
option
to
look
at
that.
G
Thank
you
very
much.
Madam
chair
I
just
want
to
draw
council's
attention
to
the
fact
that
we're
dealing
with
an
artifact
from
the
first
stage
of
the
light
rail
from
the
first
stage
stage
two
has
been
built
stage.
Three
is
under
construction,
and
my
great
worry
is
that
this
next
report
will
come
to
us
by
the
time
strands
start
arriving
at
the
Gold,
Coast,
Airport
and
I
actually
don't
feel
as
though
there
is
any
value
to
be
gained
in
exploring
other
locations
for
this
artwork
in
the
city.
G
We
have
wasted
so
much
City
officer
time
on
this,
and
it
has
come
before
committee
so
often
that
I
think
we're
creating
a
bit
of
a
roadblock
for
the
team,
and
we
need
to
make
a
decision
today,
as
Council
Owen
Jones
says.
Sometimes
you
need
to
make
a
decision
and
I
think
the
decision
today
really
has
to
be
to
divest
the
artwork
plainly.
There
is
no
spot
that
is
going
to
tick
the
boxes.
G
There
is
no
spot
we're
trying
to
jam
a
square
peg
in
a
round
hole
that
is
the
city,
and
it's
not
going
to
work
out.
It
would
have
been
great
had
we
had
a
tasteful
bit
of
art
that
was
properly
designed
for
the
space
in
which
it
was
intended,
but
that's
not
what
we've
got.
We've
looked
at
the
foreshore
we've
looked
down
at
Nobby
Beach
we've
looked
at
the
botanic
gardens
now
we're
opening
a
discussion
about
pimpamon,
kumara
yeah,
we're
having
this
massive
conversation
and
every
time
it
just
does
not
work
out
and
I.
G
Think
it's
about
time
that
we
stop
wasting
City
officer
time
on
this
and
we
stop
wasting
our
time
it
hasn't
here.
It
has
not
worked
out
and
I'm
I'm
not
going
to
support
this
because
I
don't
support
another
report.
What
I
would
support
is
a
recommendation
that
says
that
the
city
takes
steps
to
divest
its
artwork
in
accordance
with
the
public
art
policy
and
be
done
with
it.
A
Thanks
councilor
bolster
I'm,
actually
I'm
going
to
take
a
habitune
here.
I
would
like
to
say,
find
out
off
the
offices
are:
are
they
stored
in
a
council
owned
property
so
which
is
a
property
which
is
not
at
a
cost
to
us
as
such?
But
if
it
was
the
use
of
that
property
is
required
for
something
going
forward.
Are
there
options
to
store
it
elsewhere,
or
are
we
going
to
have
to
start
paying
for
storage
if
we
continue
to
make
these
decisions
of
another
report?
Another
report,
another
report.
C
Thank
you,
madam
chair.
So
at
the
moment
absolutely
yes,
it
is
in
storage,
in
a
city-owned
shed.
What
I
can
say
to
you
is
a
part
of
the
1cp
program
and
accommodation.
We
are
looking
at
our
Depot
and
our
storage
across
the
city
and
we
are
absolutely
at
a
point
now
where
we
are
running
out
of
room
and
certainly
it
will
be
challenging
ongoing,
so
understanding
how
we
look
after
this,
if
we
don't
dispose
of
it,
we'll
we'll
come
up.
B
So
my
question,
I
suppose,
is
going
to
have
to
be
through
you
chair
to
the
director
in
regards
to
I'm,
going
to
a
sense
that
councilor
accounts,
the
boss
might
be
foreshadowing
something
different
and
that
is.
Are
we
in
a
position
where
we
can
actually
make
a
decision
to
agree
to
dispose
of
it
today
or
do
we
need
to
be
mindful
of
any
copyright
issues
or
artist
issues
that
we
may
have?
That
is
why
we
may
benefit
from
a
future
report.
C
Through
you,
madam
chair,
so
I
think
we
will
need
to
go
and
check
our
legal
advice.
So
we've
been
looking
at
obviously
the
obligations
to
the
artists
in
in
the
sense
of
us
putting
it
somewhere.
We
just
need
to
make
sure
there
isn't
anything,
that's
specific
to
disposal
or
passing
on
of
the
artwork,
so
we
would
need
to
come
back
with
that
advice.
B
So
I
have
a
sense.
We
have
to
deal
with
it
wherever
we
install
it,
we
have
to
deal
with
it
with
an
element
of
respect
to
the
artwork
and
that's
in
in
the
report
in
regards
to
a
disposal.
I
just
think
that
we
need
to
be
clear:
I'm
clearly
not
opposed
to
the
idea
of
of
disposal.
We
need
to
be
mindful
of
what
it
may
be
worth
as
a
piece
of
art
and
what
it
may
be
worth
is
four
tons
of
stainless
steel.
B
In
regards
to
the
comments
that
you've
made
share
in
regards
to
storage,
whilst
it
might
be
currently
stored,
undercover
clearly,
it
was
something
that
was
designed
to
live
in
the
elements
and
it
I
don't
see
any
problem
in
this
temporarily,
storing
it
in
the
open,
for
example,
at
some
place
like
the
Sundown
Weiss
facility
yeah,
which
is
clearly
where
a
whole
lot
of
things
have
been
stored
over
time.
So
I
think
we've
got
options
but
I
agree
fundamentally,
I
agree
with
councilor
vorster
in
regards
to.
I
You
chair
and
I
I
can
understand
the
position
of
Council
of
Oster
and
I
think
for
councilors,
who
have
been
here
longer
than
a
term
I
totally
get
it.
However,
there
are
also
councilors
here
who
this
is
the
first
we've
heard
of
this
and
I
I.
Think
when
we
talk
about
the
assessment
that
officers
need
to
do
and
the
amount
of
time
I
do
think
five-minute
phone
calls
can
make
a
difference.
I
It
doesn't
need
to
be
a
sophisticated
process,
a
call
to
every
counselor
before
this
happened.
Hey
we're
about
to
do
this.
What
do
you
think
is
there?
Another
spot
I
would
have
told
you
three
and
then
there
would
have
been
another
call
to
our
guys
to
to
work
out
what's
underground
there
and
then
we'd
know
is
that
possible?
M
When
I
read
the
report,
I
actually
thought
the
gardens
was
a
good
place
for
at
the
entrance,
because
I
know
that
when
I,
when
I
first
became
a
counselor,
I
hadn't
been
to
the
gardens
as
a
matter
of
fact,
I'd
driven
past
it
several
times
and
hadn't
even
realized.
It
was
there.
So
it
probably
does
need
an
entered
statement.
But
you
know
having
read
the
report
that
the
cost
of
of
installation
there
and
what
needs
to
be
done.
M
I
thought
was
just
over
the
top
I'm
sort
of
with
councilor
Patterson
on
this
I
think
we
should
look
at
other
areas.
I
just
think
you
know.
If
you
look
at
all
the
capital
cities
that
Embrace
and
other
cities,
Regional
cities
that
Embrace
public
art,
I
I,
just
think
that,
if
we're
just
dismissing
it
I'll
give
it
back
to
the
artist
or
get
rid
of
it,
I
don't
think.
That's
we're
not
really
I.
Don't
think.
M
That's
a
good
message
that
we're
sending
out
to
anyone
and
I
know
that
public
is
subjective
and
you'll
get
a
lot
of
residents
who
say:
don't
want
to
spend
the
money.
But
the
fact
is
that
public
art
is
expensive
and
usually
when
public
art
is
installed,
there's
a
lot
of
people
who
would
normally
would
say:
oh
it's
too
expensive,
but
then
embrace
it
when
it's
when
it's
actually
in
situations.
M
So
look
I,
I,
think
that
it's
worth
looking
at
places
like
hotter
and
the
other,
the
other
part
of
the
gardens
that
I
thought
it
was
a
great
idea.
But
the
lack
of
consultation
did
worry
me
because
I
did
receive
a
couple
of
emails
from
a
couple
of
Life
members
from
The,
Gardens
and,
and
that
was
a
bit
of
a
concern
but
I
I
think
that
we
should
look
at
putting
it.
Putting
them
somewhere
and
they
love
it-
the
maintenance
cost
is
a
bit
of
a
problem.
M
G
Thank
you
very
much.
Madam
chair
for
those
counselors
who
were
elected
in
2012
or
before
those
of
us
arrived
in
2016
may
recall
that
at
the
site
we
had
a
giant
concrete
vodka
bottle
plastered
with
thongs
right
here
at
the
Arts
and
Cultural
Precinct
and
I.
Think
there's
it's
there's
a
real
worry
when
Council
decides
to
plonk
any
other
art
in
this
precinct,
for
the
sake
of
you
know
putting
art
in
an
Arts
and
Cultural
Precinct.
G
What
we
have
done
since
this
Urban
Oasis
project
is,
we
have
adopted
a
brand
new
public
art
policy
that
has
high
levels
of
consultation,
good
governance
around
it
and
good
Community
engagement
that
guess
what
it
does
engages.
Local
artists
I
think
this
artist
I
think
the
phones
have
fabricated
in
Ireland.
If
I
recall
correctly,
so
I
think
what
we're
dealing
with
is
a
historical
problem.
We
actually
have
a
good
process
now.
It's
value
for
money,
driven
it
favors
local
engagement
and
moving
forward
public
art
will
be
dealt
with
very
respectfully
in
the
city.
G
But
that's
not
what
we
have.
We
have
got
a
bunch
of
silver
ferns
that
continue
to
haunt
city
offices,
I'm
sure
in
their
sleep
and
every
couple
of
years
haunts
this
Council,
because
we
can't
quite
work
out
what
to
do
with
them
and
I
have
to
say
if
the
leaders
of
the
city
cannot
work
out
whether
to
put
these
things.
I'd
probably
say
they
don't
belong
in
the
city.
G
G
You
know
we're
talking
about
1.7
million
dollars
of
installation
and
maintenance
costs
over
30
years
over
30
years,
1.7
million
dollars
and
I'm
very
hesitant
in
spending
that
sort
of
money
when
what
we
could
be
doing
is
upgrading
the
actual
entrance
to
the
botanic
gardens
that
will
actually
support
the
delivery
of
that
interpretive
Center
or
the
biodiversity
Center.
1.7
million
could
take
care
of
all
of
the
road
upgrades
required
to
facilitate
the
delivery
of
the
center,
but
instead
we're
contemplating
perhaps
spending
money
on
these
phones
that
no
one
really
wants.
G
G
In
keeping
with
the
public
art
policy
and
I,
just
although
I
can't
really
talk
to
it,
I'm
just
foreshadowing
it
just
by
way
of
explanation
that
public
art
policy
refers
when
it
refers
to
disposal
and
divestment,
it
talks
about
needing
to
work
with
legal
services
and
checking
off
all
manner
of
items,
including
consultation.
So
my
expectation
is
if
this
became
the
motion,
we
would
attempt
to
divest
or
dispose
of
it
in
keeping
with
the
public
art
policy.
And
if
city
offices
were
cut
adrift
and
couldn't
progress
it,
then
we
would
get
another
report.
C
Thank
you,
madam
chair,
so
I'm,
probably
in
relation
to
the
changed
recommendation.
It
would
be
very
useful
for
officers
to
maybe
put
some
parameters
around
the
rest
of
the
city.
So
obviously
every
time
we
look
at
a
location,
we
will
be
needing
to
do
the
engineer
and
feasibility
assessment
and
I
think
to
earlier
points.
We
would
need
to
do
some
initial
consultation
so
that
we
could
bring
back.
C
You
know
the
level
of
information
that
you
need
to
make
a
decision,
so
the
rest
of
the
city
is
quite
wide
and
we
probably
just
need
some
guidance
on
how
much
or
how
many
locations
or
in
which
kind
of
framework
you'd
like
that
to
be
done,
because
that
could
take
a
significant
amount
of
time
if
it's
quite
open
and
funding.
Sorry.
A
So
counselors,
if
we
go
to
our
change
recommendation
and
which
is
moved
by
councilor
Hamill
and
second
by
Council,
Owen
Jones,
it's
up
there
on
the
screen
there
and
if
we
take
that
to
the
vote-
and
we
see
what
level
of
support
we
have
here.
What's
our
appetite
to
continue
investigating
areas.
So
it's
up
there
on
the
screen
moved
by
Council,
Handel,
second,
by
councilor,
Owen
Jones,
all
those
in
favor,
that's
councilor,
Hamill,
counselor,
Patterson
and
councilor
Taylor,
all
those
against
cancer
and
that's
carried.
A
A
On
okay,
so
yes,
so
if
we
could
all
those
in
favor
so
councilor
Hamill,
counselor,
Owen,
Jones,
councilor,
Caldwell,
councilor,
Taylor,
vorster
and
myself,
those
against
councilor
Patterson,
so
that
motion
is
covered
counselor,
not
carried
counselor
Boston.
Would
you
like
to
speak
to
that
short
quickly.
G
G
Every
year
the
swell
sculpture
Festival
puts
large-scale
artworks
on
the
southern
end
of
the
Gold
Coast,
a
beautiful
part
of
the
Gold
Coast
and
those
artworks
are
advertised
for
sale,
and
it
could
be
that
the
city
takes
the
step
to
dispose
of
this
artwork
in
accordance
with
the
policy,
and
it
could
be
that
somebody
comes
along
and
decides
to
purchase
the
artwork,
obviously
with
the
blessing
of
the
artist.
That
could
be
an
outcome.
So
we're
not
necessarily
talking
about
melting
down
the
ferns.
The
ferns
could
find
a
home.
G
A
A
A
A
A
K
K
K
K
K
K
K
K
K
A
A
A
A
A
A
A
G
I
A
A
B
G
G
G
B
G
A
I
just
need
to
be
able
to
see
who
moved
it:
yeah
moved
by
councilor,
Patterson
and
seconded
by
Council,
oh
and
just
councilors
we're
just
taking
it
to
the
vote.
They
moved
by
councilor
Patterson
second
by
councilor,
Owen
Jones,
there's
a
foreshadowed
motion
there
from
Council
of
Ulster.
So
if
we're
going
to
vote
on
the
procedural
motion,
which
I
mean
sorry
just
a
motion
there
and
yes
Council
Patterson.
I
Thank
you.
The
focus
and
interest
on
Last
Mile
is
really
important
and
for
me,
in
my
local
division,
I'm
sure
other
councilors
have
this
in
their
division.
For
me,
sorry,
I
can't
I,
can't
think
and
talk
while
you're
talking
so
the,
for
example,
keyboard
Park
I've
got
a
lot
of
families
there,
where
they
don't
have
enough
cars
and
they're
so
close
to
Light
Rail
and
the
CBD,
but
they're
so
far
away,
so
that
last
mile
is
really
really
important.
I
There's
been
so
many
presentations
on
this
about
the
complications
of
delivering
this,
even
in
a
kind
of
tourist.
Little
Precinct
like
that
that
this
isn't
the
answer
anytime
soon,
for
that
real
Last
Mile
concern
that
we
really
have-
and
my
concern
is
the
more
we
go
down
this
Rabbit
Hole,
the
less
we
actually
we
complete
the
more.
We
forget
why
we
started
on
this
in
the
first
place,
which
is
how
do
we
deal
with
that
last
mile
matter
in
those
really
important
areas?
I
I
I've
got
a
comment
here
from
Main
Beach
residents
on
their
experience
of
it
and
I
think
this
is
a
pretty
common
experience,
variance
of
it
so
far
that
the
test
one
was
pretty
silly,
very
slow
and
taking
up
valuable
car
Parks.
That's
effectively
the
best
thing
that
we've
had
said
from
our
residents
about
this
and
I'm
all
excited
about
driverless
cars
and
seeing
it
in
the
future
and
buses
and
I,
don't
think
we
need
to
allocate
our
funding
right
now
to
that
trial.
The
technology
is
interesting.
People
are
going
to
do
it
elsewhere.
G
Just
speaking
against
Madam
chair,
sorry,
I
was
thinking
I'm
at
Council,
but
I
should
be
standing.
If
that's
the
case,
look
Madam
chair
the
reality
is
that
the
way
people
will
move
about
is
changing
and
in
a
lot
of
respects.
Australia
is
a
lag
art.
I
got
example.
You
said
correctly
in
San
Francisco
right
now
you
can
hail
a
cab
from
your
phone,
the
cab
arrives,
and
there
is
no
one
in
it
you
step
in,
and
it
will
take
you
to
your
destination
without
a
driver.
This
is
not
science
fiction.
This
is
a
reality.
G
G
We
will
not
understand
how
roads
need
to
be
built
in
the
future,
and
we
will
compound
the
cost
to
us,
because
we
will
build
roads
that
are
not
fit
for
purpose.
Freight
will
change.
Public
transport
will
change
things
like
taxis
and
Ubers
will
change
the
way
we
perhaps
accommodate
vehicles
in
private
development
will
change
and
that
will
change
rapidly.
We
will
make
mistakes,
however,
if
we
don't
have
evidence
and
data
in
the
local
context,
so
yeah
I
think
the
first
trial
could
have
been
better,
but
I
think
we
didn't
know
what
we
didn't
know.
G
City
offices
have
a
better
understanding
of
the
data
that
we
need
to
start
collecting
and
I
am
very
willing
to
give
them
the
opportunity
to
go.
Do
that
homework
before
saying,
yes
or
no
I.
Think
it's
actually
too
premature
to
be
saying
no
today
and
for
that
reason,
I
cannot
support
Council
Patterson's
motion.
A
A
K
A
We
all
good
girls,
okay,
all
right,
so
that's
carried
counselors.
That's
the
end
of
our
agenda
items
I
believe
there
was
a
general
business
item
from
from
councilor
Hamel
I
might
just
give
the
minute
takers
a
couple
of
moments.
Thanks
officers
that
was
great
I'll,
give
the
minute
taker
a
couple
of
minutes
just
to
catch
up.