.Net Foundation Design Reviews, 17 Jul 2018

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00:00:00 - Approved: Expand Process.Kill to Optionally Kill a Process Tree https://github.com/dotnet/corefx/issues/26234#issuecomment-405661428
00:10:49 - Approved: CSPRNG integers with ranges https://github.com/dotnet/corefx/issues/30873#issuecomment-405664452
00:20:20 - Approved: Add Public API Marshal.GetExceptionPointers https://github.com/dotnet/corefx/issues/30677#issuecomment-405668842
00:34:27 - Approved: Add MemoryExtensions.Trim methods for ReadOnlyMemory(char) https://github.com/dotnet/corefx/issues/30592
00:36:30 - Needs Work: Add better ZipFile extraction APIs https://github.com/dotnet/corefx/issues/30424#issuecomment-405676075
00:57:43 - Approved: Add ReadOnlySpan(char) overloads to CompareInfo https://github.com/dotnet/corefx/issues/28001#issuecomment-405683985
01:18:58 - Rejected: Add Badíʿ Calendar to Globalization https://github.com/dotnet/corefx/issues/30207#issuecomment-405690297

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B

Doesn't sound like it, that's all like a tire.

C

We're gonna bring like a zoo.

B

So any preferences in order, otherwise.

D

Maybe use it is, what's the I'm sorry, can you scroll down sick.

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So I see a bunch of armed intrinsic swans there yeah the hundred one thing I need to say, though, like I haven't done it yet I'm.

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To Steve before we review those or what's then so,.

G

Sitting on the back way he's not local direction of my face, so we're going to have to set up a separate meeting, TV, okay,.

E

So those are kind of on hold yeah with the whole hog I think that wasn't them together. So.

H

The process kill one.

E

Is you any discuss, it should be like a real, quick.

B

Let's just go with the pitch and open the ones they want to look at quickly.

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E

Alright, ok, so this proposal is dialed back. It used to ask used to propose an API for getting the parent of our process and also its children and there's certain subtleties in that at least some windows, so there's a doll back to a safe way to kill a process and potentially all its children, which we can actually employ. At least someone goes I'm sure we can on UNIX and I think that this went through discussion previously and the feedback was to data back to that I.

E

Don't know, I wasn't there, but for maybe an information at the end. So.

I

If, if that's the recession about the policy, but nor do we do when we can't find the children or what right.

J

It's just best effort, yeah.

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C

Put a comment at the bottom.

E

Which has me I happen to know why the the reason I know it's awful and how to kill children is because I had the gift, a bug that loosely in Windows it's due to getting us all.

B

What you doing telling children all the time.

B

The API name is unfortunate, I guess, but I think you love it in there.

B

I mean preferences on the board versus the you can't.

J

Make it the whole perimeter either because of the.

K

Parameter was overlooked even further. Quite a compiler.

L

Look so why why would we make it so why we're.

A

Gonna do a devotional yeah.

L

Yeah yeah, that's true: it's a thing. You can never fall.

B

Like I think, you know would make sensitive a vision, there's a third option or something but I mean what else would be there. A tree with.

A

Rubber one gorilla for sale.

M

Which you want, because you like? Oh yes,.

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H

Nothing work, you know, one other places.

M

Right like directory duct removal or whatever it's cool for recursively, one I mean the general thing with Venom's of the they're nicer to eat on the call side ring but I'm by saying, hi car crosses three yoculan Falls I. Finally, that anyone's ever water would make the predator option yeah.

A

I mean the only other thing that we would make you is if we wanted to try to go up and down the tree, but that's very, very Kilda stronger and it's bad anything above it yeah and all the way until you hit pit board just.

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Legacy Trump language versions: you can have name parameters anywhere in bullet right now, I think.

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Yeah I'm not seeing.

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That will be true for spots to you.

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Back up something that says: here's heavy.

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Ever no one more permutations like or to do when it can't kill something that would be for everything right. Okay, it was a discussion.

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About how this is going to be involved.

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C

There would be prior art someone PS can show you the cross history.

R

Variable is it actually called children? What are ways you show called this in the country is all and kill trees, either the eunuchs of away.

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S

That's nice, as he's.

E

Christoph says: if you want to have direct children or something you don't need kill only to our children and just happened.

T

Is there a biggest degree of person? I would give an authority over I.

J

Don't know why you'd want to.

T

Kill the rich children, nothing else.

I

I think we read with only reason you call this, as for general, cleanup requisite yeah.

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To take down Mary this.

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Is what happens.

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When you hit control-c in the bill.

A

I could imagine maybe I didn't overload in the future of the tasting and if we have more scenarios that come up, but then at that, if we did that, we would probably also want to add a parameter like Jeremy said that controls what happens if we fail to terminate a charcoal, we.

E

Care about the usability of coming the readability of rule versus you know, so, even if it's the nominee has two members, is the some readability benefit of forcing someone to write it out because, like when we use true, we require people programmed an anchor line inside.

B

I guess I don't think we can but well. That was the original argument for unions in general. Is that you, because you couldn't do name parameters for an almost time Letitia, but that's a fairly recent thing in the last year's right, but I think now, where you just put the name parameter and it's fine. Okay,.

H

I think the biggest downside.

B

With the news is that we have tons of individual named Tuesday's and it's hard to imagine a third one like there I mean. Sometimes it's annoying like you know, sort order actually.

P

Selling descending on explosives and tools on the.

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Cartman singing auction strings play options, yeah.

B

I gave it's very likely that you want to have a third wine Shore, but what seems.

N

Because give it a different name: Oh.

Q

Apparently, now their system actually because that commands- but it's in my brain, is the time I see the name of that I mean I was trying to find. If there's in the.

B

I mean that you would like you would basically have a new method called kills me that takes the program.

B

These weird to me.

U

But then we work and logically is a noble, all right, you're still killing.

B

B

Alright, let me just read them you, you.

J

Miss Tia the name entire process. Cheetah right in the bullion should be person.

P

I got a comment here talking letting this be.

P

What is the currently entire beautiful entire process? Jimmy's with them.

B

He loved Chilean truth seems a bit more horrible. It needs to be limited by entire process, really actually not horrible.

B

A

The posix kill command, as if you give it a negative pin we'll choose the whole process group, but that's not well beyond this hierarchy, it's a little bit yeah. Where is the person Eckhart I could kill someone unrelated anyone associated, though to record on your Windows job, but the terminal. It's.

A

The child-like things can opt out of being in the same group as the process. That's on them right, but I think, but you thought they're in it. Well.

G

You can use that one leaders to essentially four rather than big ciao.

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A

Multiple times I canta my search engine and typed in the phrase man kill the demon for the man, page I feel, like someone's tracking my behavior.

A

E

In Windows 3, it used to pop up a dialogue, saying you performed an illegal operation and it's the caused. A lot of consternation messenger.

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E

A kid that terrified me right.

C

A

Yeah, like kill one who's, apparently interesting. Well, every process accepted it and kill a good.

L

Idea all right.

A

You so in a nutshell, I want the the random class the non correct. The graphic random class has the ability to return a number, an integer with at a rate between min and Max. There should be a cryptographically.

V

There is there a reason this would be limited to just in 32. If you look at random, that's got 32, it's got double. There's.

G

A proposal up for long now.

A

Right but I need my game, we're only talking about adding a subset of the random api's here there are a particular reason: we've chosen.

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W

In the honker don't know I'm just right now.

A

Just run now go I mean it's got next. Next couple, this Rose a pretty tasty or.

A

System that random is based on doubles, so next double is actually it's primitive. This is not based on doubles and I. Don't know what happens if we build a random bit pattern and say this is a double it.

H

Wouldn't be random.

A

What you would do is you would use a if I forget all the different terminology, but you would use a fantasy between 0 and 1 and then just fill out everything after the decimal. That way, you get an even issue.

C

For of zero and a.

A

Ceiling of one minus epsilon and deployed Zeldin, especially coded values, yeah cuz, there's your.

X

Sequential between zero I'm, getting all my terminology wrong, though some hopefully remains.

A

Ventus and exponent driver are the words down I, don't remember which parts? What kind? Those are the words item is assignment for the bunch of illegal states yeah anyway, this one as long as you can as long as you constrain it to between 0 and 1, you can get an even richer for these API, specifically it. Presumably there we get in 32 rather than integer. If we wanted to add flan in double move economy, I was.

W

Just causing a performance of the same.

B

No venom just says next: your energy is overloaded, but on the randomly generated advance it's called get bytes. So it seems that.

W

Yes, in 32 things, Morris.

B

I suppose the to exclusive is the same thing that what random does when, when the their name differently, but the upper is I. Think it's a nice close.

A

One other interesting thing here is the leaders by detectives on instance, the idea being that, like you, shouldn't, have to let orange et.

A

It shouldn't it makes testing a little difficult. Is there so one of the things random and we will show up here as well as can't.

V

Ever get 32,000 acts by event.

A

Should there be a get integer, that's parameterless! That would give you the full range. Oh that's just call it fights and then put in two minutes right yeah, but it's yeah. The implementation be simple, but there should be I mean.

M

Just get in with no problem given 32.

A

Emily, the way that you would call this is, you would call get integer and then pass in like array dot length for your two extreme work, like that's the overwhelming use case for us, because you want to choose a random element right and a race can never have I mean I I, see the technical reason. What we can do it I, just don't think, there's a scenario Marty.

E

Dumb question: if this is pointing something called get bytes and you want the upper end to be less than 255 or whatever how's that achieved, you just pick bits.

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If there's cooldown travel implementation, okay,.

A

Assuming I know what it would look like to call it intrinsic and the same thing that LZ help works on no platforms. Yes, this minute yeah, like Jeremy, has one implementation. I have another right, Nik, there's a third in the first, there are lost boys. Yeah I found that the best way to clarify his intent was. What do you mean an implementation like this.

Q

I'm sorry, Wyatt aesthetics, I'm.

H

Sorry business it earlier conversation, but why are we using get integer instead of getting the word random in there somewhere? Just random? Yes, yes, is something different. Oh.

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On or classical random.

Q

Random number generation class me I'm.

H

Sorry I cook well back in my home yeah.

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H

Multitasking I will try to stop.

A

Do it yet so as questions 1, why are these static and why are they not virtual, actually I, think Jeremy? You have a reasonably well static right, they're, not virtual, because they're static and the reason is essentially we don't expect anyone should ever implement the random number generator.

A

We added the static fill method to do the overwhelming use a so I have an array be filled with random data and then the algorithm is you fill the number of bytes that you need to return this answer you could make it virtual and you have to add it using again to add it or we make it static and say that we don't expect anyone to ever create a new implementation apart.

X

The random number generator itself is abstract right now addition.

A

For different limitations, what it returns when you call rather number generator that create, is a non public, not collaborating simple.

G

And you implement even random number generator, which is itself abstract, as that currently makes sense. Considering that there's no implementation for excuses back in and something.

X

There is an implementation you.

A

Can specify we specify a end of story? The class shouldn't have been the class should have been static. Oh it's in difference that when you go so we basically we. If we were into the philosophy of deprecating things, we would definitely and why would Lana.

A

It said it makes it makes things a little.

C

Difficult we're gonna test if you need consistent random numbers for purposes, but it just means you would brief, after your code to take like the random number as.

X

I didn't think the crypto class would ever do deterministic even with seeds. No.

A

I mean if, if you wanted to create your own implementation, are you depressed America but like in practice in real world code? Now, whenever some classes us safer system that random.

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A

Subclass it I, don't yeah, there's a bunch of third-party numerical libraries that provide their own name of the director doesn't mean yeah I mean there are other random number generator algorithms, but really you shouldn't ever want one and nothing that we would ever use. The tape that does random number generation accepts an RNG. They always just call RNG not create, or, if they're compiled against that core. They call RNG not bill.

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A

Mean these are these: were your coins that were I, guess Justin? We wish we can change yeah if we're gonna add in 64 to system that random. We can go ahead and add it here and we can okay. The primary use case for this is that, where you mention that's getting indexing you right here, yeah.

Y

I was about to say what you do, who's.

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Only usually you.

A

Know in random index people are indeed updated. 32 of beta Doppler great, don't gave you back a reckoning. Yeah.

G

The two use cases are that and just creating random data for, like test case usage.

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All of our test cases these random, specifically because we can add some SEM, exact deterministic.

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For the random number generator itself, which fail Oh once every two and a half years, when we get an unfortunate string of zeros as their energy.

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Crap someone deleted the implementation in return committee zeros.

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C

I think we headed over to it. So not only does once I read Alec 3.4 million.

U

Basic principle founded me: yeah.

A

Plus is awesome alright, so basically there are API. Is that the key use case here is their API? Is that take objects? And if you kept the call those api's you people e every time you call it passing the value type, it gets be boxed, and so wouldn't it be nice if you can create the box once and then replace the value in the box each time, that's exactly what the il unbox instruction lets. You do.

A

Basically, you effectively get back a ref to the thing in the box and I'm proposing they just expose that as a c-sharp method that lets you get a rep of T to a box of T given to the T in a box and so that, if you scroll to the e going down, you can see like this. This is code for FX. This is create canonical name. You can see. It's called the Builder dot, append format where the numbers is contains, a bunch of you shorts and every time you call it.

A

That format is boxing bu short, but if, with this we can just a box it once you scroll down a little bit box, it once and then fetch the ref, you short out of the box and then in the loop. We just replace the value in the box every time boxing.

K

Got some based on that I mean it's an allocation in China yeah how instructors going on box for this.

J

I wasn't expecting me unbox API interface. If you give me something back than having dead mutant, yeah.

V

It's so thick I mean, while.

A

There are potential optimizations I was talking to Levi about this. The code I was proposing is for four lines: body l at the top of the screen.

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L

Bandbox is the generic I'll.

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L

Everybody nice.

A

Man, it does verify today, that's what I was talking about Levi's, whether that would be required for me, the I respect or not in theory. So this is all on unsafe. You could say well if there were an easy way of avoiding doing that validation. We would probably be okay with that, but unbox those anyway and I, don't think it's probably working the check unless mean I would still say that you're, probably only gonna call it once prevented, given the design at their port. Doing the type check cops, you could type textbook yeah.

A

So the question was basically who in this case, what they call it unbox, the outsider and so I'm aware. If it's outside it doesn't matter, one.

S

So why is it unsafe, oh yeah, it 1801 CeCe.

B

But what is it unsafe, so I mean? Thank you just a second citing a field that being reckons to range. It's fundamentally not an anti-vibration. It's.

D

It could be unsafe from the perspective.

A

Of is so boxed value. Types are supposed to be immutable from the perspective of you can never mutate the value that's contained within the box, without going through instance, methods on the box object itself, such as through whitener. After something else, there's also code in various places that assumes that boxed objects, box value types are immutable, so they'll cash like a box true and no cash, the box falls yeah, and this lets you again such object to change its data.

A

If you return the refereed only you can probably say that this doesn't have to be on, say, didn't see it, but then I couldn't use it.

Q

Then you would.

H

Now have to turn.

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A

Only into ref, which is a proper unsafe operation, but no you have two roles in cell phone yeah.

B

Yeah I mean I've, either scenario: I move west, the name seems weird, but it led to the instructions called meant to be.

A

I guess in general, my thinking, if we're gonna, say things like, we didn't put a ton of thought into it, but pretty much everywhere we were dropped down to I a little something we put it on the unsaved.

A

Because we're bypassing language semantics using the other languages.

B

That's just because he is he shop sucks if you would have proper.

B

Now it seems fine, I mean I, didn't say any other place that we could put it but I'd say I, don't really have I mean it will be a brand new type. To tell me a compiler to answer the question.

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X

That's the same, and then you'd have to create a new il prog, actually.

A

X

Do we have il intrinsics on unsafe.

G

Yeah was there any discussion on including this in the computer? Forensics, that's going to be pretty sure bait I have not what are the component things like call I being exposed directly rather than through a proper language feature basically yeah.

B

So is the proposal for a basic type that would expose those things, and then you can call them. The compiler would be aware of. What it would admit is that they.

F

Like me, when I chaired.

B

F

Merged the commercial.

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G

It's adding a few new keywords at low side and some basic language semantics so, for example, being able to take the raw address of a method which returns a void, pointer and then exposing things like an address, F keyword and the whole yeah and being able to call it through and love, etc. It's basically a few new language keywords to cover things that you can't do in the language today that we're not quite sure on the e design board.

S

Interesting well.

A

Is unboxing something and getting them back? It's something that would be considered like something you want to do in the language, because normally, when you consider unboxing something you'd, normally consider making a copy of it long game right.

G

That's something that you know it would have to be discussed and find out the mayor's over, but I'm I just wasn't sure if that had been brought up as a possible alternative, although even if that was done for C sharp is lets you do it in length which is like f, sharp, etc as well. Well,.

B

Then the other question is that I mean, if you like, how would it look like what it would be? An unsafe keyword like a like a similar to handle, offer a parenthesis. You would have the run box of blah and then you would probably want to enforce it. This is only use an unsafe code, I suppose.

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And that's the.

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G

Most of the compiler intrinsic so ours unsafe only which matches the unsafe class all right accepted. This one does not even.

A

By writing on Safeco. Yes, it requires writing to work on safely, which is safe, even though most of the time, it's not, you should require using the unsafe or yeah I wish opinion.

B

She's not eligible will be heard like and now you say if it Ejim using the other forces, yeah I think I'm gently flying that anybody else ain't concerned I mean we could you could look into this, but.

W

It seems a bit over-the-top to do that. Steve.

A

The Cobra you want to use it or like do you want to consume it within 5 min :, or do you want to consider it from the corner box right now right now, the only uses what I've seen here before.

B

A semi the link to the component yeah.

A

B

Sure there are.

A

The implementation would be in native code or there's an il project. The unsane is my own budget, so yeah literally talking pace now, it's already I know what a lot of the unsafe bus is also important.

A

It's implemented differently, it's a gym.

F

And, what's a good to know, ya know o.

G

Tender pretty oh, it's.

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G

Grab your pitchfork is much more interesting.

S

Yeah, that's so much more and.

G

On all the fiber for.

E

You, but it isn't so or the princess one did. We agree on the name of the parameter. Was entire person's tree yeah, okay, I'll just make that cloudy out for them.

B

Who's driving on pensions is I. Guess that's Jared yeah.

G

I think but Tomas and y'all.

AA

Never shy of opinions- and this is their first or.

Z

I know should that be the heart.

B

You you I mean, even if you do in the Confidential's, you would study an API thing, so the F sharp doesn't have to go too crazy books because last time we didn't consider other languages. We got in trouble. So it's not to the same.

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This is an API that already exists, yeah.

A

Shouldn't that, if that's, they wrote it or see already just forgot the right. No.

W

I think you have mostly because it was not do.

V

We we review things like that or we just assume if it's a net effects, it gets past. What.

B

Well, I would put it this way like to me if, if we had an API other than the exact same behavior, that's done in camera. Id well, I had the same API yeah.

B

Like UV epi is fundamentally problematic and we want this to have a different shape or whatever. Then fine, but.

L

Like usually, you know, no I agree, I was complaining, I think maybe I'm missing something I thought this was saying it's it's public.

A

In court yeah, but in the rest, oh sorry, okay, it doesn't exist nice, it's not in the rest. Yes, sorry, my assumption has been that if there's an API that's in done in framework- and we just want to expose to not the core- it doesn't require approval because it's just doing.

W

I just walk in testis. The decorative is no longer the case. Yes, you do.

B

We will be care about going in this case.

A

It'll do whatever course ELR. Does we don't like what course they are double name.

A

And if it doesn't work in Vienna see, is there any.

A

Nataly on things one, you say that that's other word null next to the word you own there's.

B

Nothing fun about the preventing suppose a Vietnam instructors little bit about the final course about eunuchs. Today, the exception polymer not available. The API should return now. I do not think it should. It works.

A

Like implementation detail sounds probably.

G

We do throw in the debuggers depended on it, we'll just get a regression from visual studio, saying it's. The code make a passer.

A

They'd have to add the line of code, one stable. What do you I'd you ship? It I'm Linux in that test me.

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Negri in general, our coast results which record make it faster you're as well.

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B

And then one I'd love another one in here before, because they think an attribute is fine. I think the name is reasonable. The location is means no more I'd rather have a feature designed with you and I call. This is actually used for customer I mean like my gentleman is concern about these kind of things that you sprinkle them all over the copis, and then you do something and suddenly, like you, get it like vastly different behavior, just because you spring on a night in midsummer, so.

U

It said it's, we had the API part of design 42 and it's designed 42 a group thing, in which case no, we should look at.

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U

What we did the last 28 days is all yet.

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B

Turkey them I found about that.

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V

But I you would ask me a question at the bottom and I respond.

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L

B

Mean we should.

L

But I wanted to respond. There make sense, I mean it was only.

Z

Warners first, like this, you.

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We're doing two hours, yep I was just gonna. Ask you about.

AB

Those are the ones feed it's cool public, but the board yeah I need to sit around.

S

I was hoping we can do the ninja.

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A

He visits the right layer for this.

A

Where do you think it I? Don't know what all the communication layers are between the ient objective, my handler object, but it seems weird that if somebody wanted to tune something like this, that they'd have to go from calling the client default constructor to needing to create a handler to tell the handler. Apparently my server didn't implementations be to correctly or I, would like you to try and http2, or so there are effectively three places this could be. This could be on HTTP client.

A

This could be on the handler or it could be on the message that gets passed me. The message that gets passed. It already has a version that says what it wants but doesn't belong there, and then this is a question that you want it so prominent that exists on HP, client or in which case it also needs to be supported by every handler you may possibly give to it. Or do you want it on the handler itself? I, don't know what it would actually mean to work on.

A

If you couldn't HP client it tastes, client would presumably have to change the message that up as to it, there were two downgraded to the particular version and on the past, lots of Hamlet generally we're a bit squirmish Swedish about modifying the message, but of no roses. I mean Oh was.

L

That you, but no that was that guy was checking me come up.

A

About modifying the message that's passed in, but I think we wanted on the handler and then it's a question of well, which handler he put it on HTTP client handler. Then we have to support it on all of the various handlers. Wedding should be handler under the covers. If you just put it on sockets HP handler, then you know you care.

A

You figured on that I, honestly, don't think a lot of people are going to need to change just the primary reason for this is in case we screw up, because when he had excrete to support suck tissue handler, because now the default for messages to default is 2.0. If a handler supports it immediately, every all code that was targeting 1.1 will start going quit sucking this begin there and kind of need an escape hatch. If we screw up a little bit downgrade, is there been an argument for making the static, though?

A

No because it it could only be the effect a particular site? Also here you know we don't communicate well with a particular site and or partition gear for one boy, something like that. Yeah I miss her too I thought you were saying in case there was a problem linked with the core code itself. Well,.

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Way that we screwed me, maybe we had to court, for course, promise and some sites use that some alarms.

Q

So what happens if the message says to- and this says 1 1- it will get downgraded in the implementation, but I wouldn't change the message.

A

And what happens if they say 17.3 I think setting the version will throw that's my assumption. um This dad said there was some question about whether we want this at all. I think Carol had some concerns that maybe we don't need this, that maybe we're being too pre-emptive or maybe but yeah point point in time. Problem.

A

I mean I can see, argument, I, guess it's that they could do it. I guess that scare was like that they can do it on a Miss, there's gonna say if you're having trouble talking with that. We have a particular server. Has a bad server-side version of do it, then you can want to downgrade it, but that would get the message level. So maybe the answer sounds the downsides that so I'm fine with that too. Okay I, don't have strong opinions on.

V

This, the downtime during the message level, is all the convenience overload on a client.

B

Can somebody explain to me why David is supposed to do it and it should be flying hint? Nobody thinks that something should be him. There's better, isn't most of those.

D

Same things, isn't that one of them to derive from the other one they both share based up or so the HP client wraps the handler. So.

A

I waited I am reversed, yes, so so the David's of that word. What is one time? I had a missing program. Oh so, a little confusing. So the design of HP client is such that you construct it around the edge to be message and line.

A

Jim HP message handler is the base class that any handler Dreiser write, both HTTP client handler and sockets HTM them and when a just began, learn and purl hands are all derived from HP message and okay sockets when HTTP and purl hand they're all are their own implementation without those sockets targeting when HP targeting the kernel. If HP client handler is sort of a virtual handler, it doesn't have its own implementation. It wraps, whichever one of those is relevant to the current platform.

A

I see so HP client handler defaults to sock, to wrap socks HP handler, but if you set an environment variable or out of context, it'll fall back to its step. Wrapping when a just be handled on Windows or Perl handler on next I. Think David's concern is needing to add or having to add that support to all of those handlers. If it's out of date should be fine.

B

Yeah I was about to say, like doesn't that make more sense to have this is a virtual property move directly off of the base handler and then is? Why would you not I mean they all talk? Http, there's nothing specific about sockets for the next interview.

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A

If it was making HTTP client have default, HTTP version which can be null and null means, let the handler pick and then all your convenience overloads can use that and you can set it on your client.

A

Because if we already understand the flow of on a message handler, you said you want to speak, HTTP version 38 and things do something with that cares. What the default is always. How does deep you're saying default, how many implanted? So if the client has a proper I mean so again, I, don't know what anything with the HP client API looks like, but you said that there are convenience overloads that wouldn't work there wouldn't be as nice.

A

If we put it on it, tell people to turn it on the message, so something somewhere is building these messages. Something somewhere is assigning that HTTP version to these messages, you're.

V

A

Addition to this add a default working.

V

Know, instead of this.

A

Well, what if someone then creates their own by saying you? It should be request message and whatever I put on it, regardless of what the hell.

V

But that's the property.

A

On the client, I'm suggesting would only apply to the convenience overloads, it's good being the message factor right, because all the handlers already have to deal with what, if somebody requests a version of in the future or any other version that it would be illegal. So, but this isn't so much about things and those to be legal. This is the handler sports. Oh, but you don't. You want to ensure that anything goes through. Those of you you're saying, if I'm creating the message myself and just don't specify.

A

Oh and if I'm not using the message myself I set the default ID.

A

And then it applies to all the handlers sensibly and it lets you use it as a valve for this server doesn't support h2, as opposed to our client doesn't currently support. Hp seems so much more useful API, because all it does then at that point is control. The message.

A

And then the same workaround, where we tell people to go change the value of this. We tell them instead change age, speak I am NOT. You call the problem used to be so here. Here's the problem that I think check.

V

Would object to I think Jeff scan primary concern is.

A

We have a bug in them. You want to affect all traffic right now the default for HP request message: it's a version of the bulb that you owe these need to. Rather than changing this in one place, you need to go to the version. Every message.

AC

Better or worse for the application code doesn't control. The message me because they're using.

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Although in that case, you probably wouldn't control the hand or identity.

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Now, if you, if I, build a message directly, it already says to is waiting this.

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With that this okay, so maybe that's the place where the default means to be public, and then they can change it on there.

A

It sounds like the answer. The question here for Jeff and David is: is this really the right place to expose it or would be better exposed as HP client, thud default version and HP request message?

A

An instance, HP client default version property and a static, HTP request message right, yeah, something motors as particularly like looking at this I understand that the scenario for this is we're afraid that our implementations broke, but if we make it more general and you're afraid that the communication on the particular lines in that- and now you say- oh well, if de random server on the internet, that I need to talk to does a particular piece.

A

Poorly now, I need to go change out all of my code to go, build the messages directly and instead we could resolve that scenario itself.

A

Did you catch the summary.

V

That's pretty good, basically wondering whether this is the right way to expose it or whether.

A

It would be better as something like an instance default max version, property on HP client and a step and auras but and a static default version property on HP, request message.

A

They get the handle. What does the thing on the message? Do so there's sort of multiple use cases, there's let's say you're just using the API, you can start anyway, should be client and you're using the get async get string. Anything whatever a few has made internally HP client is constructing HP, request message. You have no way today of influencing the version so.

A

You could say we added an instance default version, property, tation Mayan. They basically use that version in any messages that yes instructs, then there's separately the case of well. What, if you're talking to servers or something that don't have bugs or if we detect that we have bugs, and we just want to force all messages, regardless of whether created with HP client or not, whether I construct.

A

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A

Maybe we just say using HP client those those factory methods pick up the default HP client. Otherwise, if you're constructing your Christmas of yourself haversian years.

A

Or this I don't.

A

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V

Hp client already has a property called pencil called headers.

A

Or message huh kind of go along the message: it constructs its those headers any message.

A

We just stayed on one one for so long that nobody considered that it needed to get to watch.

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You just being pissed anyone that kind.

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What do the crackers.

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Not sure I understand if it was Lennox.

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I guess that's fair.

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That's what I think we ran out of time.

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I think I told you knows: I mean, like I, mean I'm honestly of the opinion on that, after talking to them that it makes sense to have the a there I mean it's I mean pretty much all the code ever written. The news news is effectively just 2015 history. This is why America is all over it. I'm like yes, it is not like a tremendous amount of light savings, but you know it's still nice to just be able to just call overload, rather than we write the entire michael body.

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Q

Furniture, oh I, see because they they want to use it as a blob for what to pick up the directory. Oh that's true. Yeah.

AB

I guess all right make some sense in that case, but.

B

I mean the problem of using procreate and expect those that you kinda have to know like, and she felt that makes also no sense.

A

Oh think you want to pick up over Oh. The mark I've got three well, you want to pick up only text files from there creating a zip archive, but that wouldn't be the right, but you.

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Q

And you wouldn't really want a compression level filter.

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If we, what else, probably.

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Would probably just want to do too.

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You have to go ahead and have the.

AB

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Every single one of the ground.

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You know I, do you know if there was a question whether or not like, if we think is the majority use case is with this extension, I don't know well overload, don't know if that's a majority.

AC

Use pencil like I have.

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A feeling, the majority use case would actually be pattern. Matching there, my name rather than this approach yeah. The extension is have to be when we've done anything.

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Like I want to extract everything but exclude like within inaudible yeah I mean it's just.

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Question of is there something nicer than creating them predicate there.

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I, just don't know that would be useful enough.

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And it looks like.

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Actually, I wanted it all that way. Yeah.

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There were no spam.

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B

I've didn't even notice.

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The classes yeah, but.

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Yes, compare info index of string strings virtual, so with all these be virtual.

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There usual complicated figure, eeriness of how do we make this both performant and extensible I guess the question is: do we actually care about extensibility here or like this? Anyone actually rifle comparable?

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How many Jason's mine, if you were writing a if you were writing a new culture, comparison operation that wasn't built into the OS, your only option would be to take these maps, turn them into strings and then use the overload that way.

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You know we don't seem to have one that takes chart rays or a char star, so this one doesn't have a. We can cheat in a code once it into something else. Without copying.

B

Well, what happens if we add the API and somebody derived from it an overall dozen of those methods? If you don't call them, you get what behavior.

L

But what very same day, so we have doing the same shirt we do elsewhere, which is basically.

A

Check the type of this, and if it's something we know, is safe and do the fast thing, otherwise its gave to something else. That's.

L

Expensive welcome to the problem listening. So then we created a string and then call the existing API. Then what we would do if we think that extensibility here is something.

Y

You know they were doing that internally. I think.

A

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B

You are you're only in trouble when you have a class. That is the little rituals. That's when you know you have to think about what adds it might have is imagined, although I wish I would admit if you, if you have virtual methods, you have to think about it, sensibility a you shouldn't just make us work so for the aggregate which I think is part of all of this, that we.

V

Should just recommend that, if you add virtual methods to a type you also seal it? Yes.

B

I think that the gravy's no way.

AF

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B

The concern is, imagine you have a bunch of data that you have currently in spam form order to do a cultural conversion. I don't have to create a string.

AC

So you've basically allocated to it, are you asking what the concern is with adding music? Yes, the question is whether we put the virtual on it or not.

AC

Centering versions are all virtual. Every method on this.

A

Type, including every overload of ever not that is virtual.

A

Yeah, so you can declare a custom one that it overrides the string string but forgets to override the string and string in.

AF

Extensionism, those even if they're, not.

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Yes, but when I use.

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Again, if you want a custom, compare info here now always paying the man back to straight Austin. Yes,.

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Unless we're a commercial, that's I'm, saying it's a yeah.

B

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J

Dreading, all these conversations don't want a base overload. So it's you don't expand the stream and you see a big shooting becoming like there's me for watching I mean which one we call.

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Which one do you know really which once again, rather than where you have conversations we'll be plugging debate to those it yeah.

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You're really sitting in the but no isn't.

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Gonna say where did or I was.

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I roll my eyes at the suggestion with you know, boys I had.

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To say that out loud.

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Breaking, oh, wait: we have a to them and you feel about marking. This is sealed.

AF

What is a concern there for me exhaust mission Murphy, you have the Yampa beside, which is from waiting out here. Well.

A

Know what you need to do anymore so, once again, there's there's sort of two stages here, forgetting whether these virtual do these or do these not delegate to the existing members if they always delegate it to the existing methods.

A

There's zero point in having these because they're just going to construct strings, which is probably divorced so if they are going to delegate sometimes, then you doing basically saying if, if type of, if this equals type of compare info, do the efficient things otherwise call to string and call the thing and then the next stage is alright. Well, do we make these virtual such that?

A

If someone was deriving from compare info, they could override them that allows them to do the efficient thing for their class, but it also means that unless we're able to deburr Chua lies unless the JIT is able D virtualize every one of these operations becomes a virtual call and then there's the question of. If we make these virtual and we've done the business dispatch to the other one, there should be also go.

A

Ask the other one should have dispatch to this, because that's actually the faster operation but we'd, be you know, you're, adding another typo check its, how Jenny hugely breaking. If someone actually was deriving, it could get them into an infinite yeah. So if data annotations actually comes I had this exact material, so we were looking at that permanent.

A

But if you want to override these, would you mean to dust over end this one and then you get it for about string and span or would you always need to override both because history.

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AF

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A

The only reason you would need to override them is if we choose.

A

If we don't believe anyone ever derives from this thing, then we just don't have them delegate to the existence. If we believe that someone might and might be overriding those other methods, then we need to do the type check and delegate to the other ones. If it's something derived from comparing folk and for that scenario anyone calling these methods within them yet horse behavior, because we'd always force them down the other path, and so we want to give the drive class the opportunity to override these.

A

Interestingly, there is actually an internal overload that takes read-only span of charge, bringing form of things like comparable and in this long virtual, and it seems like a logic- trust assumes no one ever and whenever subclasses as far.

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As I can't imagine, this logic would work.

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It's okay, yes, but we generally don't consider them breaking, but it can be. The antenna doesn't call because killing.

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This isn't revealing towards not making the ritual yeah.

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He said they already exist internally and their long virtual.

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No, it doesn't you're actually.

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So it also trooper desktop yeah.

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It's me a look at comparing for an API catalog, there's no constructor allottee in.

D

Those things there's not a single platform, it is, it probably can. So what can we seal comparable? That's.

A

Means that all the virtual calls on that, while virtual.

W

Yeah I'm pedicles build most things of covert for the no check no, but.

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It will do it yeah well, the June will do maybe yeah.

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Okay, well, the answer steals unhappy. Virtuals in the implementation. You just got a lot simpler.

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Even if their compiler, even scholars.

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It's just verifiable and.

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Have to be in the ground some.

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And I don't see a reason we would not make them deploy, but.

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In the past, but I think it's fine, okay.

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I mean they're, substantially differentiate it, so they don't conflict where you never have ambiguities. You.

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What Spencer do.

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Hey so this calendar is for that the hang faith.

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They have their own calendar, but their calendar is very interesting one because they have 19 months s not what month and every month is 19 days, and sometimes they want to align their year with the rebellion year. So if you could live 19 months, 19 days, the difference between the very near to be like either 4 or 5 months according to me, but not sorry, 4 or 5 days.

AF

So the way they handled this before the last months, but she's once number 19, they insert all or five days, so they have like months from 1 to 18 and pull the 5 days and after that nine months 19, and they have equally this 4 or 5 days. I am a young man. This is what they call it yeah.

AF

So this is also the they come back. Almost Arkansas crank start of the spring is a start of this is a year here and they recently think a couple of years ago or something they decided that they will start according to the spring in Iran because, like you know, spring can start differently in different country in your life.

AF

If there's waste, like you know, it can start in March, 19th of March 2001 one-to-one I mean again, but they decided about like you know they would go to lose Iran and they have like some kinetics called I was of Justice, which is they decide for us for the religion, and so they decided about Iran would be the place that we measure from where a year can start and they published around like sixty years in advance. Now, when they even start.

AF

So we have some data for 16 years and there's some guy, which is Congress, was that he generated more Monday example like 100 years later, and he already pulled out was house of justice. Oh sure that they are okay with.

AF

We have a data, we have a data about that. You know when, if every year we'll start from.

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We project out through the full range of the time, by those words.

AF

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AF

Icu support. No, we.

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Got caramel service there.

AF

Is some other people providing their own libraries and support? It's? Not what if we were going to do that, we don't carry all the data ourselves. The data would be very is not that be because, like humans, our discussion here so basically about like no. We need to know that if, if the year start on like ISM 19 or 20 or 21, so it's three bits we are going to use for every for every year with 200 baht like it will be like 1k or something.

J

Julian calendar ones and watches we support Windows doesn't support. We have.

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Lunisolar calendars.

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Questions we support, I was hoping you're gonna say we don't have any. Second, this ain't, no loser. Is there a large demand for inclusion of this calendar or we like it? Is there a government requirement or.

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Something just.

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In the platform, rather.

AF

Than the second, if I could no specific reason, I'm dancing this one home, theater I mean like.

V

Noise, if, for example, if Iran decided to have this calendar as.

AF

One of their support condom as a country, so we have to include in the platform also because we have to add so getting it outside.

AF

Right there other calendars in the same bucket. That are we talking about this one purely because someone came to us and said it'd be nice. Are there.

V

Is there like another 20 that we want to as well, or can we make this statement that all the counties we currently support are supported by some official government.

AJ

Like Julian calendar today and I, don't think in government support level, but it's used a lot. I.

AF

Mean like in history can be awesome. Stuff Lincoln was you yeah I think my concern would be that, like it's effective one of those things where well, even the rules in just outlined, like the way most a chance that you know in six months, although somebody.

F

Says, oh so I made a.

D

Mistake each other this day and then I'll.

B

Be then doing a servicing event for this thing right because it doesn't seem like they are, like. You know, not critical for us to watch a critical mass or like stay blowing, what they call this weather and then the question once the bird is. We have picked up with it, because once we have it, we need to keep it up today, our felucca. Are we missing something that live brain work that would prevent somebody from doing a fully-fledged to public bamberd with us?

B

Like? Isn't your cottage at.

A

Least, every base API ser every appropriate method, is forgettable. Even this guy I'm gonna knock out basically eyes. I mean like there is some stock.

T

X

They have to go right. Maybe it doesn't know it's not greater than that much. You say any reason, then why they can just take the stuff put.

AF

On your foundation, they call it whatever you want to call it and never becomes no requirement. We can talk to them. I.

B

Wouldn't put it in sis with mobilization, it cover them. I would probably put it in. You know: I need a package dog.

B

I mean I need every action is, it seems pretty like isn't like very people, who'll care lot of work for us to support yeah. Does that say? Are they yes, but it's only concern I have it's like this is related to something I mean. Like you know, somebody saying my much loved one supports.

AF

AF

That would be a strong argument if, let's say witness will support it. If Windows tell me those gets away with. Most importantly, we can support many there. These.

B

Bar is different. They said they've a higher bar for category, so Windows usually support candles which is used officially by some country, but they don't support any other.

AF

Camera can but right now, I mean dream. Work is not I mean, can support any some country, but but again like what's what's the argument for why should this be in? Ours is Ubuntu or Mac or FreeBSD support. It's like out of box.

X

Without having to install what what I saw is like some really just providing libraries I'm, not aware of any mission, some people we're running Microsoft same.

AF

As a nougat package right, this guy's providing a new bike.

J

But this one I think is even worse than normally realized. Like usual.

AB

You all say we only had a Piazza to the buckle if they're gonna get usage and they actually.

J

Have a scenario that them try the usage but generally when we had ups and also not for in fluctuation, when they're having to be updated on a regular cadence. This is something where it's got to be updated and some some level kingdoms, whether it might be a little some level kings. So I would. This is why I think the support costs of this guy is a little bit higher. I'd say normal, so I would say I'm not expecting this.

J

We will get updates that month and then you can like 50 years from now getting it for sure, but.

AF

What I agree I mean, like you, know, I'm, not seeing big demand.

AF

What are the then seems like a great big advantage.

B

So, like I mean in general, I would say my bar for.

AB

Rinji things, regardless of what it is, is always you know, prove yourself.

B

Isn't ship and design somewhere put it out and if you get critical mess, then it makes sense to it. It's the platform, but we're gonna start animating into the platform, just because we can the polling cost right, especially for things like this, where you have data or international bodies that may change their minds and then we have to react and something about that. That is basically alter our control. I think it's even because to that point. First.

B

I think I would say if there is something that they can continue their package or this or the experience. Isn't there I buy it if the only problem is is inconvenient because somebody has to go in there packing since true for any API, but they would create a former spec if there was a reason, I couldn't get external I think that would be first yeah social yeah. We should have an extension form that goes. Would we go.

D

But I think otherwise we're just chasing the longtail at that point, but you're saying you know anybody who ever meant to kill and right now we have to add support for that. That might be sure. That's what.

B

B

But that's I mean I, don't say like. Is there any way for us to manage this? Like I mean if they had a NuGet package, we could at least see the number of the home and see that got me all popular.

B

All right, then, anybody else things like a good API that shouldn't start lying in summer.

AC

Writing just for me, the heart out body.

AC

So what is the part of now I'm.

B

Generally, there and somebody's execution not.

AF

What how many like you knows, I'm, seeing like some issues, like contested necessarily clearly the number of it usage? It is also about the enabling more scenarios like when we're adding a lot more Spanish releases. It's basically anyone new path of life from poor performance, because.

J

We things like that that we couldn't actually accomplish, and they couldn't do it above without duplicating on all the logical starting the framework.

J

So there's four things that have to be in the buffer because they time tagliatelle to be to seemed of a platform I think there's a difference. Everything is it it's hard to have hard and fast rules, everything's a case-by-case basis, but my more you get into globalization, religion, anything.

A

Like that, I think we should be.

A

Be concerned about making a mistake in some fashion that causes an international issue. Oh wait, I think let someone else take the lead, Windows or the operating system or ICU, or someone who's focused on those particular domains before the name can follow suit.

A

I'm more hesitant to try and leave by the way we've actually had this attention like then it's some of our Unicode.

AC

Handling api's, we.

A

Have names that are if I forget the names off hand, but we have names that are on like not really offensive or forbidden, but like kind of geopolitically drop and the way that we were able to work around those, as we say, we're following as RFC to the letter and we're going to using the exact same names a so that's I, think that speaks to your employer's a standards body.

AC

AC

AC

The contrast you're talking about tasks.

A

I could certainly have made the other tasks that would be terrible, but I, don't think it offend anyone, but.

A

Lately, there's a little stuff as possible to like or affection or see a lot unless, what's this point like it's required for a scenario.

B

So, like the the unsafe class.

A

For instance, just taking that as an example like I would love to have that wholly out of bounds and recompose to keep operating on a you know very rapidly, but because it requires weird interaction with the gym. It has to belong in laws. But I would think that.

T

That's effectively the part that ideally, we would be going for, like the only things that never go.

C

In box are things absolutely for things that it would be very inconvenient.

O

To just go back to the, we might want a corvex extensions Rico, that's specifically for things that were like. We don't need this in corvex, because.

X

It doesn't need.

G

To be part of like the core framework, but it's something that we would ideally still like to own and provide to customers, because we see that it might have good value. From my perspective and I think I may be alone on this I. Don't think Rico needs to be tied to ship vehicle and.

X

I also, personally, don't see the value in having a cortex extensions.

A

Rico, that's some that, for whatever reason, moves together a whole bunch of unrelated projects personally impacted me if it's in core effects, it's because we believe it's or but that doesn't even has to ship as part of the platform, and if it's not in court effects, it can be in its own repo for a particular library. That's my.

A

Know I really have this quarter fix laughs. I was like we're experimenting in.

U

Prototyping but.

AF

It's the same idea: what, like you know, we got some demands before until even like go on, do it there and if you got.

H

Demand on it, we can move it corvex.

AF

Latitude we delete stuff from them too yeah yeah. We need another place that we can ship into a Java library packages that don't have they can kind of ship individually by themselves forever on their own cadence and not have the recourse to be shifted around that.

J

Every time we should be a platform, that's the that's. The key difference. I would say: well, I, don't like everything in quarterbacks I, don't like burping the shipping mechanism.

J

If there's not, but we don't hatch, is nobody there, Pete, if you don't have to what it makes things more difficult, I think so, you're being make things work from one source bill perspective, other stuff, there's a crossing attorneys, but it could also double words right on the sense of like we add these two core of existential extensions and then we'd say we want to have an inbox. Then.

AI

We will come to that's what we want to move things around.

AI

Whether it's in the same report- yes, it's just a matter of you know having to move the code.

J

But does me I had to deal with nightmares of servicing and stuff every single time and trying to keep them segregated and separated, and my person quickly fighting we ship this and that.

J

I feel you the same or purple like five months.

J

All right, I think we are too much out of time.

AI

Anything anything in seven minutes, so many objections of those knows otherwise that won't send.

B

B

B

It was the issue.

AF

Yeah, it's a good question. I think I would probably go with closing it, and then they come back to us and.

B

Say: okay, we have the counter and you get now. We have 25 cells dollars or something like that. Let's reopen the discussion. Maybe I should yeah well I'm gonna have this. That will be the only one I do today.

W

You actually, they attempt.

N

This and I think I.

W

Know how much it weighed below.

B

O

O

Globalization's your dictionary, you.

N

It's a merchant, it's important should be.

C

Oh yeah think oils are all typos, but it fixed again won my heart.

C

Thank you thanks. So.

W

Thing that we also done with this female, let me just and Bloomie's dotnet meister about messages before I detected changes in the release.

B

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