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A
Hello
and
welcome
to
the
monday
16th
16th
of
august
2021,
dx
del
vista
po
I'll
just
face
the
agenda
in
the
chat
yeah.
So
for
today,
most
of
the
time
we're
gonna
be.
We
have
two
potential
collaborations
presenting
here.
One
is
atlanta
squirrel,
which
is
going
to
present
and
the
other
one
is
of
course
space.
A
Several
accidents
talking
to
each
of
them
a
different
occasion
occasionally
over
the
past
week,
and
I
think
we'll
have
like
about
15
minutes
and
then
maybe
a
few
more
minutes
for
questions
for
each
one
and
then
we're
gonna
move
on
francesca
from
greater
than
is
gonna
join.
This
is
about
a
workshop
during
the
dx
retreats
that
we're
planning
for
the
dates
right
before
each
lisbon
and
yeah.
If
anyone
has
any
questions,
feel
free
to
bring
them
up
and
yeah.
A
If
we
have
any
time
left,
we
can
just
further
discuss.
If
has
been
the
possible
opportunities
and
engagements
we
can
have
there
and
yeah.
Maybe
we
can
get
started
with
the
atlantis
guys,
cj
and
rev.
B
You
have
the
mic:
hey
guys,
yeah
yeah,
thanks
so
much
for
having
us.
If
you
don't
mind,
I
will
share
our
screen
and
we
can
just
talk
through
our
launches
before.
Can
you
guys
have.
C
D
B
Yeah,
so
I
I
mean
I
don't
know
what
you
guys
know
already.
I
know
we
did
submit
some
some
things
and
we've
been
chatting
to
tommy
a
little
bit,
but
just
some.
Let's
start
the
beginning.
You
know
some
background
about
atlantis
world
we're
building
a
virtual
world
where
you
can
live,
work
play
and
earn
essentially
like
what
we've
really
identified.
B
Is
that
as
much
as
metaverse
should
be
open,
you
know
it
should
be
accessible
as
well
and
how
it
kind
of
stands
right
now
is
it
can
be
considered
inaccessible,
because
in
order
to
have
like
seamless
loading
experience
and
to
enjoy
actually
playing
these
games
and
interacting
with
these
environments,
you
need
to
like
go
out
and
buy
the
latest
ipad
or
gaming
pc,
and
this
can't
be
a
reality.
For
you
know
some
families,
even
in
america,
never
mind
like
places
in
the
world
where
the
income
average
is
much
lower.
B
We
also
think
like
there
should
be
talking
gating
and
token
getting
is
limited
to
discord
and
telegram.
So
you
really
want
to
like
gamify
that
kind
of
discord,
chatter
experience
and
also
we
think
that
virtual
world
should
plug
into
default
applications
in
a
fun
and
gamified
way,
because
we
really
think
it's
a
kind
of
pivotal
opportunity
to
onboard
new
users
into
d5.
B
B
You
can
see
a
little
bit
here
about
the
kind
of
market
landscape,
just
kind
of
going
back
to
the
fact
that
existing
virtual
worlds
aren't
necessarily
the
most
lightweight
and
they
don't
begin
to
defy
and
there's
no
talking
gating.
I
mean
I
don't
want
to
spend
too
much
time
on
this
slide.
I
know
you
guys
have
a
huge
grasp
kind
of
on
the
wider
space
and
ecosystem
as
a
whole,
but
we
know
that
you
know
I
think
open
c
is
on
track
to
have
its
best
ever
month.
In
august.
B
I
think
it's
gonna
be
like
on
track
to
be
higher
than
all
of
the
other
months
in
total.
I
I
read
down
to
it
kind
of
crazy
statistic:
yeah.
I
think
they've
done
like
a
billion
dollars
in
volume,
yeah
yeah,
it's
crazy
right,
yeah,
hey
rev
on
curious.
Would
you
like
to
talk
a
little
bit
about
our
kind
of
go
to
market
strategy
and
how
are
key
to
build
infrastructure
for
communities
that
we
really
like
sure
so.
C
Part
of
our
go
to
strategy
is
collaborating
with
top
five
to
seven
communities,
projects
to
build
a
personalized
custom,
token
space,
token
needed
space
for
them
and
also
integrate
their
products.
For
example,
we
are
in
touch
with
urine
so
sushi
alves
and
voxer
maker
and
yeah,
even
the
board
api
club,
and
you
guys-
and
that's
really
something
super
exciting
for
us,
because
that's
the
community
that
we
care
for-
and
we
intentionally
took
some
time
to-
you
know,
go
through
our
product
retweet.
It
make
it
better.
C
For
example,
the
first
version
of
our
map
was
just
I
remember:
there
was
just
grass
and
trees,
and
we
actually,
you
know,
went
out
there.
You
know
took
like
50,
plus
people
interviewed
them
from
all
different
communities
like
crypto,
punks,
fort
debia
clubs,
folks
from
battery
builders
side
of
top.
You
know
projects
protocols
and
actually
got
that
critical
feedback.
For
example,
one
of
our
community
members
told
us
hey
just
imagine
having
your
space
in
cyberpunk
style
and
that's
what
we
actually
built.
C
C
So
as
for
the
milestones
we
received
so
we're
building
a
polygon
and
we
are
super
grateful
for
receiving
small
grant
from
them
as
a
part
of
our
initial
boost,
we
interviewed
more
than
100
people,
not
three
received
great
validation
from
top
key
opinion
leaders
from
multiple.
You
know,
diverse
backgrounds.
C
We
also
been
part
of
kernel,
which
is
bitcoin
project
and
we've
been
top
25
or
124
projects.
We
had
a
great
time
there
and
that
a
lot
of
people
also
was
introduced
to
defy
alliance
battery
foundation,
protocol
labs
and
other
talks.
We
joined
hackathons
and
division
hack,
and
actually
yesterday
we
have
submitted
our
demo
to
hack
ffs,
we
integrated
ipfs,
rv
and
then
audios
as
well
as
other
minor.
You
know
fixes
of
our
demo,
so.
B
Yeah,
I
I'd
actually
love
to
share
with
you
guys
the
link
to
our
hackathon
submission
once
I
once
I
stopped
screen
sharing
I'll
drop
it
in
the
chat
for
you
guys.
C
Yeah,
as
I
already
mentioned,
there
was
some
incredible
players
from
battery
that
really
shared
with
us
great
validation
and
kind
of
ideas
to
improve.
I'm
personally,
not
you
know
actually
alexander
for
max
infinity,
gmoney
youtube
from
parity
and
other
folks.
We
gained
200
plus
early
access,
signups,
that's
where
it
still
caused
data
access.
C
B
Kind
of
explored
that
see
can
we
go
to
the
next
slide,
sure
sure
yeah.
So
you
can
go
to
demo.lanysworld.io,
but
this
is
the
kind
of
earlier
version
of
the
demo
and
as
a
result
of
some
material.
Yes,
I
have
an
updated
version.
What's
basically
different
is
that
when
you're
moving
around
the
game
and
you're
interacting
with
those
assets,
not
only
are
those
game
assets
kind
of
stored
on
securely
on
chain,
you
know
on
ipfs,
but
also
we're
loading
that
game
data
from
ipfs
and
fromchain
as
well,
and
we've
actually
implemented.
B
Are
they
so
you
can
walk
into
our
decentral
bank
building
and
you
can
interact
with
ave
directly
there
now
I
would
say
that
the
the
interaction
is
in
its
infancy
right
now.
It
just
basically
opens
the
ui
and
you
can
deposit
tokens
inside
of
there
and
get
air
tokens
that
bear
interest
like
kind
of
as
a
result,
but
down
the
line
really
soon.
B
We
want
to
actually
identify
that
interaction
so
that
you
know
you
walk
into
the
decentral
bank
building
you
walk
over
to
the
other
desk
or
potentially
to
a
dx
style
product
desk,
and
you
can
actually
see
the
interest
rates
and
price
feeds
and
whatever
you
kind
of
need
on
a
pixel,
dashboard
kind
of
behind
that
desk.
You
know
just
some
kind
of
fun
things
that
we're
exploring.
You
can
also
see
dow
building
there,
we're
really
keen
to
integrate
dow
voting
inside
of
private
and
exclusive
atlantis
world
spaces.
B
You
would
actually
be
able,
if
you
guys,
wanted
to
integrate
that
we
could
certainly
explore
walk
up
into
your
town,
the
town
hall,
building
and
interact
with
the
vaulting
right
there.
Instead
of
exiting
to
an
external
platform.
C
B
It
works
and
we
also
added
like
audios
music
streaming
under
chat
function
as
well.
So
here's
some
here's,
some
of
the
things
that
we
have
projected
for
this
quarter.
It's
kind
of
completing
our
demo,
integrating
some
more
really
serious
web
through
applications
and
cooperating
with
communities
that
we
really
love
just
one
example:
implementation
inside
of
atlantis
world.
What
we're
gonna
do
is
plant
virtual
trees
that
remove
real
world
co2
from
the
atmosphere.
B
Now
how
that
works
is
plant
a
tree
inside
of
your
atlantis
world
space,
so
instantly
act
as
a
social
proof
right,
but
this
tree
will
smart,
contractually
emit
dye
using
superfluid
finance
and
that
dye
will
interact
with
another
protocol.
So
your
toucan
and
be
swapped
for
tokenized
carbon
offset
right,
which
is
a
real
world.
Carbon
offset
that's
been
bridged
on
chain
that
will
be
locked
away
inside
of
the
tree,
so
we're
actually
creating
this
in-game
carbon
black
hole.
B
You
know
which
we
think
is
massively
powerful
and
has
lots
of
kind
of
long-term
applications
and
positive
kind
of
impact
on
the
planet.
We're
also
planning
to
really
grow
our
discord,
users
continuing
to
grow
our
tech
team
and
right
now
we're
not
really
focused
on
any
kind
of
external
private
money.
We
really
just
want
to
bootstrap
using
grant
funding
and
build
spaces
and
kind
of
infrastructure
for
communities
that
we
really
love
and
we
really
like-
and
we
think
that
we
go
out
with.
B
As
you
can
see
here,
I'm
cj
I've
been
full-time
in
crypto
for
over
a
year
now,
I'm
also
a
polygon
advocate,
I'm
incredibly
passionate,
specifically
about
the
intersection
of
nfts
and
d5,
something
that
has
consumed
my
mind
since
last
last
october,
and
also
now
the
applications
of
that
kind
of
in-memorize.
C
Yeah
and
as
some
of
you
already
know
me,
I'm
ref,
I
spent
last
seven
years
being
fully
serial
entrepreneur,
building
different
products,
businesses
and
then
from
media
fintech.
3D
vr
in
norway
know
all
across
the
europe
down
into
the
crypto
since
2017
and
yeah.
I'm
also
part
of
witness
I'm
an
adoption
leader,
and
that's
super
exciting.
For
me,
and
now
in
the
in
the
atlantis
I
elite
everything
crow
sides
we
also
have
michael,
who
is
our
cto.
He
is
based
in
civil,
is
he's
really
like
full
follow
like
on
hacking
mods.
C
He
actually
said
no
to
amazon
and
h2o
to
be
fully
on
atlantis.
We
have
a
leiden
from
istanbul.
She
is
leading
whole
design
for
us
and
we
also
have
three
team
members
that
are
fully
focused
on
the
development
side.
Seger
julian
dmitry
segers
are
blockchain
developer
with
three
plus
years.
Experience
from
mumbai,
who
is
a
rockstar
game
developer,
slash
designer
from
seattle
and
dmitry
is
from
russia.
He's
also
been
in
that
tree
for
a
year
now,
but
he's
really
super
talented
individual.
B
Yeah
absolutely
and
then,
as
we
kind
of
touched
on
a
little
earlier,
you
know
we
did
receive
kind
of
early
support
grant
from
polygon,
but
that's
been
reinvested
into
the
project
now
and
we
also
had
a
really
fantastic
time
in
gitcoin
kernel
block
3,
where
I
met
rev,
and
I'm
super
grateful
for
that
in
itself
before
we
start
to
think
about
what
we've
been
building,
which
is
again
something
we're
both
super
super
grateful
for,
as
is
the
rest
of
the
team.
B
So
thank
you
so
much
guys,
thanks
for
letting
us
pitch
a
little
bit,
we'd
also
love
to
show
you
inside
of
the
demo.
If
you
just
give
me
one
moment
here,
I
am
I'm
busy
reading
about
vitalik
and
his
blog
post.
I
don't
know
if
you
guys
saw
it
earlier,
but
it's
really
great.
B
So
this
is
the
kind
of
demo
which
doesn't
have
the
web
three
kind
of
building
blocks
implemented
yeah,
but
just
to
give
you
some
kind
of
visual,
and
we
can
also
show
you
if
you
would
like.
Oh
there's
some
guys
in
here
already.
C
B
B
Yeah,
so
you
can
see,
we
have
the
multiplayer
here
is
where
you
would
have
like
valve
voting.
B
This
space
was
kind
of
designed
for
crypto
punks
down
the
line,
we're
keen
to
add
things
like
mini
games
and
also
a
web3
academy
right,
so
we're
gonna
actually
build
and
provide
learning
modules
for
the
top
d5
protocols
in
the
space
to
provide
that
kind
of
onboarding
experience,
interweb
three
in
a
fun
and
gamified
way
and
allow
users
to
interact
with
those
kind
of
protocols
and
applications
without
putting
any
funds
at
risk,
and
then
over
here
is
the
decentral
bank
building,
where
eventually
you're
going
to
be
able
to
walk
inside
and
interact
with
d5
products.
B
As
I
said,
we
did
integrate
ave
already,
but
in
its
kind
of
infancy
as
a
part
of
this
hackathon,
and
we're
really
looking
forward
to
everything
that
we
have
coming
next
and
totally
excited
to
explore
collaboration
with
you
guys,
as
I
kind
of
said
those
you
know,
we
really
kind
of
focused
and
intent
on
building
infrastructure
and
on
building
fun
products
in
kind
of
collaboration
with
communities
that
we
really
like
you
know
and
that
we
we're
really
fond
of
and
that
we
think
we
can
gel
with
kind
of
together.
Well.
B
C
A
Yeah,
thanks
guys,
I
think
this
was
great.
Does
anyone
have
any
questions.
E
Yeah
thanks
for
the
presentation,
what
what
is
your
business
strategy
around
generating
revenue
and
how?
How
does
that
sign
with
those
collaborations
when
you
onboard
businesses
today.
B
Sure
so
I
think,
like
hyper
monetization
and
thinking
about
that
right
now
doesn't
make
a
lot
of
sense
for
us
if
you're
curious
about
like
fee
collecting
or
anything
like
that,
that's
not
something
that
we're
going
to
integrate
into
the
platform
right
away.
We're
keen
to
have
decentralized
model
right,
so
there's
governance
and
maybe
kind
of
our
users
would
opt
that
you
know
they
would
prefer
to
be
some
kind
of
revenue
sharing
and
fee
model.
But
in
terms
of
monetization,
it's
not
something
that
we're
hyper
focused
on
right
now.
E
C
Yeah
I'd
love
to
explain
it
so,
first
and
foremost,
you
know
we
have
a
game,
mechanics
right
and
when
cg
is
at
fun
elements,
it's
it's
something
core
to
the
games
itself
right.
If
you,
if
your
game
is
not
fun,
it
means
it's
not
sustainable.
C
So
that's
why,
before
adding
any
of
that
three
building
blocks,
we
actually
took
some
time
to
make
our
game
fun
right,
make
this
characters
really
kind
of
super
cute,
and
all
of
that,
because
that's
really
matters
and
in
terms
of
what
will
kind
of
drive
the
adoption
of
the
the
space
itself.
I
think
a
couple
of
things
first
is
even
though
we
start
from
welterweight
communities
right
our
core
audience
down.
C
Fun
way
for
folks,
to
kind
of
you
know,
have
a
self-onboarding
process,
that's
really
smooth
that
is
gamified,
because
gaming
has
reached
2
billion
users
worldwide.
Right
and
gamers
are
also
the
most
kind
of
experimental
type
of
people,
but
that's
on
one
side.
On
the
other
side,
we
are
really
bullish
on
network
effects
and
also
like,
let's
say
we
are
integrating
avail
right
or
urine
or
sushi
or
uni,
whatever.
C
That's,
not
something
that
will
be
only
accessible
in
their
space
right,
let's
say
obvious
space
or
urine
space,
that's
something
that
will
be
accessible
all
around
the
metabours.
We're
not
saying
that
we're
better
than
those
platforms
right
than
you
go
in
just
on
uni-swap,
which
is
showing
the
other
kind
of
fun.
Implementation
of
that
that
users
can
yeah
can
just
try
out
and
and
and
have
in
their
daily
lives,
and
also
the
use
cases
are
really
endless,
and
it's
based
upon,
I
would
say,
one's
creativity.
For
example,
right.
C
We
are
exporting
alternative,
fundraising
models,
let's
say
land
partial
sale
where
each
land
parcel
will
equal
to
one
governance
world.
So
on
top
of
having
the
nft,
which
is
land
parcel,
that
you'll
be
able
to
customize
and
build
your
own
space,
you'll
actually
have
a
power
to
influence
the
future
of
atlantis
and
that's
also
something
which
will
kind
of
bond
relationship
with
our
core
mission
and
the
product
in
the
long
term
yeah,
and
then
the
also
network
effects
that
we'll
have
from
other
communities
right
joining
the
atlantis
which
will
lead.
C
You
know,
kind
of
cross,
collaboration
within
communities
and
even
the
small
communities
that
are
actually
core
to
that
tree
to
creep
the
space
right.
We,
the
crypto
space,
is
built
on
communities
right
and
we
think
that's
something
which
we
have
to
focus
on
and
what
we've
recently
seen
with
discord.
You
know
all
these
verified
roles.
You
know
like
talking
data
and
access
token
gated
kind
of
closed,
chats
or
voice
chats
it
just
another
thing
that
proves
that
that's
something
needed
and
beyond
that
from
web
to
side.
C
We
have
gather
time
right
that
prove
its
success,
the
model
they
have
more
than
50
million
users
right
now
and
they
don't
really
create
and
what
we're
doing
we're
just
kind
of
shaping.
All
of
this.
You
know
pieces
of
the
puzzle
together
to
create
a
really
unique
experience
that
will
fit
everyone's
needs.
D
Great,
I
think
that
does
I.
I
have
two
follow-up
questions.
One
was
like
raised
within
our
biz
dev
conversation.
So,
like
one
thing,
that's
really
interesting
to
me
is
the
idea
of
like
basically
taking
people
who
are
into
the
nft
side
of
ethereum
and
then
maybe
bridging
a
little
bit
with
like
defy
endow
communities.
So
one
issue
that
was
brought
to
my
attention
was
the
idea
of
like.
Do
you
want
to
mix
your
social
wallet
with
your
like
d5
wallet,
meaning
do
you
want
to
like
doxx
yourself?
D
D
Another
question
just
go:
go
ahead,
please
yeah.
I.
B
F
B
External
space,
so
that's
kind
of
up
to
you,
I
guess
and
that's
kind
of
permissionless
and
in
your
hands,
but
there's
definitely
like
the
ability
to
kind
of
switch
walls
and
have
multiple
wallets
connected.
Two
outlines.
D
So
it's
easy
just
to
switch
what
once
once
you're
in
the
once
you're
in
the
like
metaverse,
okay,
cool
and
then
separate
question
I
had
is.
I
know
you
talked
like
a
little
bit
about
like
gamifying
the
process
for
like
onboarding.
D
So
what
would
it
look
like
to
create
like
a
location
for
dx,
dao
or
any
of
our
products
like
basically
in
this
world
and
like
what
do
you
see
like
as
far
as
like
gamifying
the
onboarding
process,
like
based
off
of
your
experience
with
like
ave?
How
would
that
go.
B
Yeah
sure
so
in
terms
of
like
gamification
there's,
like
kind
of
a
whole
realm
of
things
that
we
can
explore.
I
think,
like
the
the
perfect
illustration-
or
you
know,
if
we
take
like
almond,
for
example,
you
know
it
has
to
be
gamified
in
a
way
that
a
user
can
take
their
pixel
character
into
some
building
or
into
some
environment
and
then
interact
with
the
protocol
in
a
way
that
goes
beyond
just
kind
of
mashing
buttons
on
a
ui
right.
B
So
there's
actually
some
kind
of
experience
that
comes
as
a
result
of
that
and
that
can
be
explored
kind
of
like
on
a
product
by
product
basis.
B
Our
idea
for
like
decentral
bank
building
is
a
kind
of
wealth
of
d5
projects
that
have
kind
of
different
desks
and
different
parts,
and
you
can
kind
of
wander
up
to
each
each
one,
that's
most
relevant
for
you,
whichever
kind
of
protocol
you
want
to
interact
with
on
any
given
day
or
any
given
moment,
and
you
know
you
can
walk
up
to
this
desk,
you
can
enter
out.
You
can
see
a
like
a
pixel
dashboard,
which
you
know
would
be
using
the
graph.
B
I
assume
to
pull
all
of
that
data
and
you
can
see
it
like
a
pixel
dashboard
in
terms
of
like
partnership
with
the
x
style.
What
we
think
makes
a
lot
of
sense
is
creating
this
token
gated
space
for
the
external
members.
This
will
be
air
drop
to
your
community
after
our
closed
beta
testing,
so
it'll
be
owned.
B
Kind
of
by
dx
style
forever
and
dx
style
will
always
kind
of
have
a
space
at
the
nucleus
of
atlantis
world
and
as
one
of
our
kind
of
like
founding
projects
and
then
kind
of
going
beyond
that,
you
know
into
the
future
without
web3
academy.
B
We
think
this
huge
potential
for
actually
creating
gamified
learning
modules
kind
of
around
your
products
and
actually
enabling
users
to
interact
with
them,
not
just
in
a
gamified
way
right,
but
without
putting
any
actual
funds
at
risk
as
well,
and
then,
of
course,
all
of
these
products
will
be
integrated
across
the
board
in
public
spaces
and
in
the
spaces
of
every
other
kind
of
community
that
we're
working
with.
So
there's
not
going
to
be
any
kind
of
like
silos
in
terms
of
product
integration.
D
That
was
helpful
and
then
so
if
we
were
to
think
about
like
giving
a
grant
or
something
like
that
to
your
project.
So
the
idea
is
here
that
you
would
be
building
out
like
with
our
with,
while
working
with
us
as
partners,
to
basically
build
out
a
space
for
dxdow
and
possibly
one
or
more
of
our
products
right
and
then
we
could
like
coordinate
with
you
and
figure
out
your
timeline
for
like
what
that
would
look
like
and
cost,
and
things
like
that,
and
we
can
go
into
those
discussions
more.
B
Yeah,
absolutely
we're
totally
keen
to
explore
that
and
kind
of
hash
out
the
finer
details
in
collaboration
with
you
guys,
and
we
think
that's
the
key
thing
you
know
in
collaboration
and
something
that
works
for
everybody.
It
makes
a
lot
of
sense
kind
of
for
your
community
because,
as
rev
was
talking
about
earlier,
you
know
we
kind
of
we're
very
much
crypto
native,
and
we
understand
you
know
how
important
community
is.
So,
I
think,
to
console
community
on
both
sides
is
always
going
to
be
the
best
way
forward
on
this.
A
Awesome
so
I
think
I
mean
we're
a
bit
over
time
here,
but
I
think
yeah,
I
think
maybe
the
next
steps
here
would
be.
I
think
we
already
have
a
telegram
group,
so
we'll
kind
of
open
it
up
to
other
folks
from
the
exhaust,
and
you
know
figure
out
what
the
next
steps
are
there
and
yeah
like.
We
can
continue
the
conversation
there
and
then
maybe
we
can
even
organize
like
another
call,
maybe
next
week
with
people
who
are
interested
to
learn
more
and
see
how
we
can
push
this.
B
Forward
sure
would
absolutely
love
that
to
catch
up
with
you
guys
again
and
even
if
it's
not
you
know
something
that's
thoroughly
relating
to
the
integration
of
the
egg
style
in
atlantis
or
any
kind
of
partnership.
I
actually
did
just
appreciate
you
know
the
off-topic
kind
of
chatter,
with
you
guys
as
well,
so
I
would
appreciate
to
be
more
involved
in
that
as
well
down
the
line
if
it
works
for
you
guys
so
yeah
thanks
so
much
for
your
time
and
yeah
fantastic.
Thank
you.
A
Guys
so
up
next
we
have
macy
and
roz.
Are
you
guys
here
yeah.
A
G
Let's
start
with
that,
but
yeah,
I
think
I
will
just
give
you
a
little
bit
of
a
introduction
of
the
state
of
the
social
token
space
and,
as
rev
mentioned
before
this,
the
social
token
ecosystem
right
now
is
very
much
about
this
talking
and
nft
communities
and
this
gated
access
in
general.
G
Agora
space
is
a
permissionless
social
oracle
and
protocol
aggregator
for
technologists
social
entrepreneurs
and
dao's,
as
well,
primarily
dao's
to
emphasize
that
to
we
really
want
them
to
be
able
to
create
sustainable
and
rewarding
ecosystems
for
their
existing
communities
without
any
coding
skill
requirements.
So
we
focus
on
very
straightforward
ux
from
day
one.
G
Yeah
agora
space
is
not
another
token
issuer
site,
but
a
platform
to
aggregate
and
improve
these
existing
solutions,
while
also
adding
more
functionality
to
existing
tokens.
Be
that
social
tokens,
governance,
tokens,
nfds
or
nfd
fractions.
The
platform
is
an
integration
layer
for
these
existing
solutions,
while
we're
also
building
accessibility
tools
for
social
token
and
tao
ecosystems
and
their
emerging
use
cases.
G
A
war
space
is
building
a
first
of
its
kind
social
oracle
layer
on
top
of
the
vietnam
decentralized
oracle
network,
wink
wink
for
public
and
on
chain
app
integration.
This
social
oracle
layer
is
a
collection
of
open
source,
apis,
bots
and
business
powered
smart
contracts.
That
aggregate
data
points
from
social
media
for
on-chain
interactions.
G
Users
can
leverage
these
data
to
influence
events
in
their
communities,
authenticate,
for
example,
the
veracity
of
an
influencer
and
to
create
markets
for
community
tokens
a
course
is
a
framework
and
its
tools
are
independent
and
collectively
governed
by
our
dow,
the
core
space
dao.
We
believe
that
the
future
of
social
media
is
a
platform
independent,
a
platform
kind
of
like
a
platform
independent
space
and
gives
back
the
control
to
people
over
the
digital
identity
and
their
data.
G
The
dow
just
appeared
publicly.
We
just
came
out
of
staff
like
last
week,
but
the
work
started
in
january
2021
and
we
self-fund
self-funded
and
bootstrapped
ourselves
all
the
way
through
hiring
and
the
first
phases
of
building
which
started
in
march
and
we're
making
this
dial
decentralized
from
day
one.
We
call
this
the
tao
of
taos
approach
and
where
research,
where
reaching
instant
decentralization,
is
possible
through
uniting
multiple,
already
established
communities.
G
Our
team,
our
core
team,
is
around
20
12
people,
mostly
developers,
because
this
whole
idea
we
grew
out
of
a
family
software
firm,
which
grew
to
more
than
20
people
operation,
but
working
on
a
gore
space
from
that
more
than
20
people
operation.
We
have
12
people
and
we
also
have
a
tireless
syndicate
that
is
constantly
working
on
establishing
more
strategic
partnerships,
and
we
want
to
give
this
very
strong
base
for
our
dao.
G
G
It
contents
everything
it
contains:
everything
q4
and
q3
and
q4.
So
until
like
the
end
of
the
year,
the
yellow
ones
will
be
our
product
launches
and
feature
launches
and
yeah.
Every
color
represents
something
else,
so
we're
going
to
be
very
busy
this
year,
but
our
main
focus
is
talking
with
you
guys
last
week
really
opened
our
eyes.
How
really
important
decentralization
is,
and
we
want
to
make
our
dial
decentralized
from
day
one,
but
we
ran
into
the
problem
that
every
solution
that
exists-
it
really
is
not
truly
trustless
decentralization.
I.
F
Think
I
will
take
it
over
from
here
because
I'm
a
little
shy
to
talk,
but
initially
it
was
my
part.
So
basically,
I
wanted
to
categorize
the
existing
solutions
into
three
different
stages,
based
on
decentralization
of
these
tools,
and
I'm
not
just
I'm
not
talking
about
governance
tools
exclusively,
but
also
different
social
tools,
and
the
first
category
is
obviously
when
it's
basically
on
runs
on
a
centralized
server
and
trust
is
very
much
needed
and
the
computation
happens
off
chain
on
a
vps
or
any
other
server
and
hosted
by
a
third
party.
F
The
mechanism
usually
is
signature
based
and
the
storage
is
usually
traditional
while
it
it
helps
the
usability
a
lot,
because
it's
easily
guess
less.
It's
still
pretty
much
in
in
opposite
what
we
aim
to
achieve
in
the
space
while
another
category
of
these
governance
and
social
tools
emerged
in
the
last
year
or
so.
These
are
the
so-called
optimistic
scenarios
when
it's
still
still
something
that
is
hosted
on
a
server.
So
the
computation
happens
of
chain,
but
it
can,
it
can
be
self-hosted.
F
These
solutions
are
usually
open,
source
and
can,
and
the
holster
itself
has
the.
F
I
mean
so
so
bad
actors,
the
hoster,
doesn't
sorry.
My
english
is
just
not
good
enough
to
go
into
details
with
this
part,
so
I
will
just
keep
it
sorry,
but
the
displ
they
have
disputing
and
supervising
mechanisms,
and
they
are
also
usually
signature
based,
but
now,
for
example,
the
eip
3000
3000
is
also
uses
oracle,
optionally
and
these
solutions
are
based
on
ipfs
and
the
usability
is
still
gasless.
F
Meanwhile,
the
traditional
dao
solutions
are
trustless.
These
are
the
dow
governance
frameworks
like
oregon
colony.
I
o
or
doll
stack
or
the
volck
versions,
and
there
is
no
single
point
of
failure
with
in
this
category,
because
the
computation
happens
entirely
on
chain,
and
these
are
transaction
based
mechanisms.
F
The
storage
is
also
basically
on
chain
about
the
votings
and
the
usability
is
a
little
bit
worse
because
you
need
to
spend
gas
as
a
user,
and
you
cannot
really
extend
your
these.
These
operations
outside
of
using
a
volume
wallet.
You
always
have
to
get
access
to
your
wallet
so
record,
please
next,
okay,
so
yes,
cola
blend
is
basically
fits
into
the
centralized
category
and
the
snapshot.org,
and
this
new
proposal
are
fit
fit
into
the
optimistic
scenarios
and
basically
at
augura
space
daw.
F
What
we
aim
to
achieve
is
the
first
category's
upgrade
where
we
also
included
oracles
like
in
the
optimistic
scenarios,
but
we
started
zero
knowledge
research
earlier
and
have
a
solution
for
a
sap
serving
identity
management
contract
where
the
data
is
basically
stored
on
chain
but
privately
and
the
verifier
of
these
xeronovich
blue
troops
can
pay
for
the
gas,
and
basically
that
means
that
the
user
can
use
these
solutions
without
having
access
to
their
wallets
all
the
time
because
of
the
oracle
combo.
F
So
over
the
space,
though
we
built
these
build,
you
build
in
these
two
categories
and
the
milestone
and
the
our
roadmap
is
pretty
much
summarizes
it
all.
There
are
a
lot
of.
F
There
are
a
lot
of
product
demos
which
builds
on
each
other's
and
basically
at
the
before
the
end
of
three
crew.
Four,
so
before
the
end
of
the
this
year,
we
aim
to
achieve
the
first
truly
anonym
identity
protocol
on
ethereum,
where
we
can
make
votings
make
tokengated
access
without
revealing
the
connection
between
the
user
and
it's
and
their
wallet.
Basically,
that's
the
core
idea,
but
meanwhile,
before
we
will
achieve
that,
we
build
a
lot
of
optimistic
stuff
which
are
all
available
on
github.
G
So
this
is
our
website
right
now,
it
kind
of
says
we
have
a
little
bit
of
a
roadmap
here,
but
we
upgraded
that
since
then-
and
I
just
want
to
show
you
the
app
for
what
we
have
for
our
token
gated
community,
so
we're
basically
building
a
social
token
and
dow
toolkit
with
an
oracle
twist
and
we're
aiming
to
make
everything.
This
trustless
and
amazing.
G
Sorry
yeah:
this
is
our
social
token
explorer
where
we
have
all
the
available
social
tokens.
On
the
blockchain,
I
mean
all
the
available
social
tokens
that
are
existing
on
the
blockchain
and
when
you
find
your
community,
for
example,
a
course-based
community,
you
can
write
all
the
information
here
and
set
levels
for
your
community
and
create
token
access.
And,
for
example,
you
can
stake
test
agora
token
to
join
our
syndicate,
which
is
just
our
test
syndicate
for
now.
With
the
test
token
yeah.
F
Taking
solution
is
also
actually
a
trick
which
will
be
required
by
the
zero
analyst
solution,
because
the
zero
knowledge
contract
will
the
the
certain
basic
it
will
give
a
credentials
a
certificate
about.
The
user
has
taken
the
tokens
already
and
the
user
needs
to
stake
it
for
a
little
bit
longer
period
of
time
to
make
it
really
viable
to
make
it
a
viable
solution
for
holding
it's.
It's
still
on
the
research.
F
How
we
can
achieve
that,
but
yeah
and
the
staking
solution
itself
is
also
an
addition
to
the
existing
collab
blend
feature
set.
But.
F
Yeah
about
the
theme
and
our
background
we
are
from
hungary.
I
joined
this
space
in
2013
and
we've
been
very
involved
in
a
lot
of
different
communities,
but
I'm
personally
a
long
long
time,
ethereum
skeptic.
F
C
F
A
big
talent
pool
of
cryptographers
hackers
and
we
have
also
a
contract
with
the
university,
so
we
have
very
good
relationship
with
a
lot
of
people
who
knows
a
lot
about
this
field.
Basically,
but
yeah
pagoda
space
dao
is
primarily
based
here
in
hungary,
but
that's
just
the
start,
because
we
have
a
network
of
global
entrepreneurs
from
the
space,
the
crypto
space
and
also
a
lot
of
developers.
G
H
F
G
A
So
I
mean
thank
you
guys
for
the
presentation.
It
looks
awesome
and
I
think
leaves
that
was
always
looking
to
support
yeah
sort
of
the
tools
that
will
be
used
by
deep
style.
It's
it's
sort
of,
as
you
guys
know
know,
of
the
adventures,
but
that's
that
is
the
goal
of
the
expansion
is
to
sort
of
support
or
grant
different
projects
that
are
gonna.
A
You
know
build
the
services
that
deep
style
wants
to
use.
A
question
that
I
might
have
is
yeah
so
like
right.
Now
you
have
the
token
gated
communities,
that's
kind
of
like
the
first
step.
I
can
tell
you
that
we've
been
we're
using
a
discourse
server
for
most
of,
like
the
let's
say,
structured
or
like
forum
type
of
communications,
and
we've
been
looking
at
different
options
and
different
things
to
use,
and
I
guess,
like
I
don't
know
if
this
is
something
you
guys
have
in
the
roadmap
like.
A
I
haven't
fully
taken
a
look,
but
I
would
think
this
is
something
interesting
for
these
dow
to
actually
use
it
for
talking
about.
You
know
what
is
the
next
step
in
collaboration.
F
A
F
An
optimistic
solution
for
token
gated
communities
in
this
quarter
and
we
believe
that
it's
a
major
upgrade
to
collaborate
already,
so
we
are
in
communication
with
a
couple
of
nfp
projects
and
dolls
already
to
have
them
adopt
these
this
tool.
Basically,.
A
Okay,
yeah
does
anyone
else,
have
any
questions.
F
G
I
X-Ray
is
very
similar
to
polygon,
but
it's
a
testing
environment.
I
have
one
question
like:
if
you
talk
about
optimistic
solutions,
what
do
you
mean
exactly
with
optimistic
solution?
Basically,
signature
aggregation
in
a
centralized
server
and
then
it
can
be
disputed.
Is
that
what
do
you
mean?
Okay,.
A
F
G
F
A
Okay
yeah,
so
I
think
at
any
rate,
we
do
have
a
telegram
chat.
I
think
the
nation
is
kind
of
owning
that,
and
you
know,
if
anyone
wants
to
join
like,
I
think
we
should.
You
should
join
the
telegram
group
to
continue
the
discussion
and
I
think
yeah
there's
a
lot
of
avenues
for
collaboration
here.
A
I
think
you
guys
are
also
we're
also
going
to
be
exploring
the
adventures
and
a
few
other
yeah,
basically
collaboration
opportunities
in
general,
like
personally,
I'm
very
optimistic
about
something
like
that.
It's
kind
of
like
a
sort
of
like
a
sass
platform
for
dallas
right
like
so
all
these
type
of
services
that
could
be
given
to
you
in
a
decentralized
way
would
be
very
interesting.
F
F
In
our
different
stuff,
because
even
I've
been
in
the
space
from
13
and
I'm
gonna,
I'm
a
hardcore
hacker
myself,
I
I
like
to
use
beam
y,
free
and
different
niche
live
distributions
from
my
very
early
age.
I
I
still
learn
every
day
about
in
this
space
and
I've
been
not
a
big
dow
member,
so
I
joined
a
couple
of
dolls,
but
according
to
my
experiences,
they
were
not
really
decentralized
and
that's
how
I
find
the
eggs,
though,
basically.
F
I
Yeah
amazing,
you
mentioned
that
the
your
your
dog.
F
F
So
we
didn't
reach
out
to
first
we
we
started
with
self-funding
and
started
with
making
the
foundation
for
this
vaulting.
We
knew
that
we
will
need
a
lot
of
technical
people,
so
we
didn't
really
hire
any
other
people.
We
have
rust
and
typescript
developer.
Basically,
that's
it
and
also
solidity,
of
course,
but
basically
this
is
the
tech
team
of
the
dao,
the
initial
tech
team
of
the
dao,
and
we
came
out
from
stealth
only
because
we
needed
to
reach
out
to
different
dolls
and
we
started
making
them
involved
in
the
project.
F
So,
for
example,
we
have
stacker
vc,
which
I
was
a
which
I've
been
a
part
of
for
a
long
time
and
they
already
made
a
commitment
to
to
our
round
basically
because
we
started
fundraising
called
the
c2
round
by
the
way
we
have
trenches
and
I
will
share
the
document
as
well
or
it's
even
in
the
chat
already
probably
so
we
reached
out
to
a
lot
of
dolls.
We
will
talk
angel,
doubt
and
probably
talk
with
the
bigger.
F
Well-Known
other
dolls
as
well,
and
we
want
to
get
them
involved
with
with
a
very
small
sized
fundraising.
We
are
going
at
around
6
million.
I
think,
and
at
the
end,
before
we
launch
the
dow,
we
will
distribute
50
of
the
water,
can
supply
and
also
also
will
put
basically
all
the
fund
raised
money
and
then
the
token
which
is
which,
which
is
all
located
to
the
so
here,
is
the
term
sheet.
Yeah.
F
Thank
you
yes,
so
this
picture
basically
summarizes
what
we
are
doing
right
now.
We
have
this
seat
sail
which
is
happening
right
now,
and
then
we
will
have
a
lot
of
slots
for
strategy
contributors.
A
F
F
And
yeah:
that's
it.
A
Thank
you,
yeah.
Thank
you,
guys,
yeah
and,
I
think,
there's
you
know,
there's
obviously
like
some
interesting
collaboration
opportunities
with
rev
chris
from
from
atlanta,
so
yeah
any
other.
Like
last
comments
before
we
move
on
to
like
the
last
topic,
we
don't
have
much
time,
but
if
people
could
stick
around
for
a
couple
more
minutes,
that
would
be
great.
A
Yes,
I
can
hear
you
well,
so
I
think
oh
so
we
have
francesco
and
francesca
in
the
chat.
That's
cool.
A
Yes,
so
awesome
nice
to
meet
you,
girls,
and
so
I
think,
like
this
is
related
sort
of
to
like
a
proposal
that
was
made
in
the
forums
to
create
essentially
like
a
dx
style
workshop,
and
I
think
some
people
came
up
with
questions
I
think
violet
did,
but
I
don't
see
them
in
the
chat.
A
So
the
proposal
is
up.
Maybe
we
can
have
like
another
specific
like
we
will
have
another
specific
session
for
this.
But
if
anyone
has
any
questions
right
now
for
francesca
or
elena,
you
can
start
shooting
them.
K
Yes,
please
go
ahead
whatever
you
are
unclear
on
or
want
to
know
more
about
we're
happy
to
explain.
K
Yeah,
I
could
maybe
start
on
that.
I
guess
alan
and
I
maybe
have
a
couple
different
experiences.
I
think
some
of
them
are
specifically
in
the
dao
crypto
context,
so
we
have,
for
instance,
one
client
that
we've
been
working
with
for
a
year
and
a
half
which
is
crypto
d5
company
startup
of
like
20
people,
but
still
like
organized
as
like
a
pretty
normal
company,
but
like
going
towards
self-management.
K
So
we've
done
a
bunch
of
different
workshops
with
them
around
this
kind
of
stuff,
also
with
dao
stack
around
like
more
like
supporting
the
ecosystem
as
a
whole
at
the
time
around
the
genesis
style
that
probably
some
of
you
have
heard
about,
especially
through
elon-
and
I
guess
apart
from
that,
I
definitely
have
a
lot
of
experience
from
the
past
in
more,
like
traditional
community
network
context,
through
some
of
the
the
networks
that
I've
been
working
in
over
the
years,
for
instance,
the
we
share
network.
Some
of
you
have
heard
of
that.
K
I'm
just
going
to
maybe
post
a
link
to
that
in
the
chat,
and
then
I
mean
there's
this
like.
I
guess
the
the
traditional
companies
that
we've
worked
with
are
not
very
many,
like,
I
would
say,
most
of
the
time
it's
like
fast
growing
teams
that
are
working
on
quite
innovative
areas,
so
I
would
say
we
don't
have
like
a
lot
of
hyper
traditional
corporate
experience.
L
No,
I
think,
that's
pretty
pretty
well
summed
up.
I
think
it's
mostly
just
that
we
most
of
our
experience
is
with
decentralized
remote,
primarily
like
communities
and
networks
that
are
purpose
driven.
That's
kind
of
a
lot
of
the
experience
that
we
come
from.
K
Yeah,
that's
a
good
addition
that
obviously,
like
we've,
been
doing
a
lot
of
online
stuff
in
the
last
year
and
a
half
especially
but
also
before,
but
we've
definitely
done
done
both
quite
a
lot
online
and
offline.
A
Yeah,
so
I
guess
there's
there's
some
experience
into
like
yeah
the
whole.
This
whole
beast
of
decentralized
organizations
which
no
one
is
entirely
sure
of.
You
know
how
to
structure
them
and
yeah.
I
like
the
fact
that
you
know
we
have
someone
who's
a
bit
familiar
with
space
to
come
and
try
to
run
these
workshops
yeah.
Maybe
I
have
a
question
around.
A
K
Yeah
I
mean
I
definitely
would
say
that
in
greater
than
we're
really
not
a
fan
at
all
of
having
very
like
out
of
the
box
solutions
to
most
of
these
things.
K
So,
to
be
honest,
it's
quite
hard
to
answer
that
question
in
general,
because
for
us,
what's
really
important
is
to
make
sure
that
we
have
conversations
with
you
beforehand
and
that
we
really
also
do
some
co-design
so
like
not
too
heavy,
but
that
that
we
make
sure
that
we
sort
of
yeah
design
the
session
and
choose
the
right
methods
together
with
you
to
make
sure
that
it
really
meets
you
where
you're
at
and
and
the
needs
that
you
have,
and
so
in
a
way
without
like
diving,
a
bit
deeper
into
where
you're
at
right.
K
Now,
I
think
it's
a
bit
difficult
to
say.
Like
obviously
kate
mentioned
this
eco
cycle,
that
we
sometimes
use
to
help
get
a
sense
of
like
the
state
that
different
projects
or
like
initiatives
are
at
in
terms
of
like
almost
their
their
life
cycle
and
there's
also
liberating
structures
is
something
that
we
draw
from
a
lot
there's.
K
You
know
many
different
things
within
that,
but
in
a
way
it
is
definitely
quite
emergent
in
the
sense
of
trying
to
see
yeah
what's
actually
happening
and
also
at
what
level
we
need
to
work,
because
I
guess
one
of
the
things
that
we
do.
A
lot
of
is
really
helping.
Teams
have
difficult
conversations,
and
so
you
know
one
of
our
key
topics
that
we've
been
working
on
for
a
while
is
around
money
and
like
sort
of
yeah,
difficult
conversations
and
tensions
around
value
exchange
and
money
flow,
so
yeah.
K
I
think
we're
always
very
curious
to
understand
which
problems
need
just
like
the
right
work
session
or
the
right
process
and
where
maybe
is
there
actually
like
a
relational
challenge
or
yeah
conflicts
or
or
other
other?
I
guess
more,
maybe
emotional
or
personal
levels
at
which
maybe
a
problem
needs
to
be
solved.
E
To
me
it
sounds
like
you
know:
it's
a
complex,
complex
thing
to
achieve
very
difficult
it.
It
will
take
like
months
to
research
and
properly
analyze.
It
would
more
likely
be
like
for
me.
I
it
feels
like
you
will
be
putting
a
mirror
in
front
of
us
to
for
us
to
try
and
solve
it
ourselves,
because
if
you
propose
a
solution,
it
would
not
necessarily
be
the
right
one
or
if
it's
the
right
one,
we
would
not
necessarily
be
able
to
adopt
it
and
yeah
it.
E
It
feels
like
an
improv
and
for
us
to
be
able
to,
I
don't
know,
speak
our
minds
and
and
try
and
come
up
with
something
and
see
what
we
can
make
of
it.
But
we
shouldn't
be
like
expecting
something
you
know
fantastic
coming
out
of
it
necessarily
because
it
it
it's
just
too
complex
and
difficult
to
to
achieve.
K
Yeah,
I
think,
that's
really
well
said
I
think,
that's
quite
accurate
and
we
probably
should
add
that
like
in
addition
to
the
experience
with
like
decentralized
organizations,
we're
really
all
just
facilitators,
and
some
of
us
have
coaching
experience
so
yeah.
It's
a
lot
about
sensing,
the
group
what's
there
and
then
helping
you
address
what
you
need
to
and
and
have
the
right
conversations
and
navigate
all
that
complexity.
K
And
I
think
that,
like
from
my
experience
in
in
networks
like
we
share,
especially
when
it
comes
to
strategy
yeah,
it
feels
really
really
difficult
and,
like
a
quite
a
typical
starting
point,
because
you
can't
just
say
this:
is
the
strategy
like
four
people
decide
and
then
you
just
execute
it.
So
I
think
that
yeah
like
needing
to
really
be
creative
and
sort
of
not
take
things
like
just
step
by
step,
but
I
think
somehow
holding
the
big
picture,
but
then
also
thinking
about
okay.
What
can
we
try
out?
A
Yeah,
that's
awesome,
I
think,
like
I'm
kind
of
like
what's
shaping
up
in
my
mind,
is
that
we
should
probably
have
like
a
single
call,
maybe
dedicated
with
anyone
in
the
style,
want
to
participate
and
ask
specific
questions
about
this
and
then
like,
as
you
requested
in
the
proposal,
we
will
have
two
three
people
from
dick's
dial
that
will
sort
of
like
lead
the
initiative
from
the
style
and
then
yeah
like,
ideally
by
the
end
of
this
week,
we
can
like
I'll
be
making
the
proposal.
A
After
I
don't
know,
we've
had
like
a
like
more
time
to
get
get
some
feedback
on
the
actual
doubt
talk
post
yeah,
I
don't
know.
Does
anyone
have
any
anything
else
in
mind
or
any
questions
I
mean?
I
know
we're
a
bit
over
time
so.
J
I
I
was
curious.
What
like
a
workshop,
would
look
like
at
all.
Like
I
don't
know,
I
took
a
look
at
your
website.
I
saw
that
you
also
do
like
I
don't
know
some
meditation
stuff
or
mindset
stuff.
You
know
so,
and
I
I
in
the
proposal,
I
didn't
quite
get
an
understanding
of
what
like
what
a
pro,
what
a
workshop
would
be
like.
Does
it
include
stuff
like
this
as
well,
or
I
just
really
don't,
have
a
clue,
I'm
just
really
interested
in
what
it
would
look
like
practically
speaking,.
K
So
yeah,
that's
actually
a
very
interesting
feedback.
We'll
take
that
away
but
yeah.
I
guess
in
terms
of
the
way
it
can
look.
It
really
obviously
depends
what
we
decide,
but
I
think
that
like
no,
we
do
not
do
meditation
exercises
necessarily
like
that.
You
know
where
it
makes
sense
in
terms
of
like
energizing,
the
group
or
maybe
going
into
deeper
spaces.
K
K
But
I
did
also
see
that
there
was
some
debate
happening
on
the
forum
about
like
how
much
is
this
going
to
be
like
the
stuff
around
fun
team
building
and
how
much
is
more
about
strategy,
and
I
think
that
you
know
it
might
make
sense
that
we
focus
more
on
helping
you,
like
figure
out
what
to
do
around
strategy
and
also
how
to
have
difficult
conversations
and
that
more
like
the
paintball
or
whatever
it
was.
You
might
play
that.
K
That's
probably
something
that
you
can
do
without
us,
and
I
also
like
the
idea
of
us
maybe
coming,
maybe
not
the
total
end,
but
towards
like
the
second
half
of
it.
When
maybe
sort
of
certain
you
know,
groundwork
has
happened,
and
then
we
can
maybe
help
you
sort
of
really
get
clear
and
then
you
can
sort
of
maybe
have
one
one
or
two
more
days
at
the
end
to
like,
I
guess,
finalize,
get
into
more
details
or
whatever
that
might
look
like
so
yeah.
I
don't
know.
L
I'm
just
going
to
add,
like
I
think,
like
in
very
very
loose
broad
brushstrokes.
It
would
look
like
a
series
of
different
exercises
that
we
would
sort
of
have
co-created
with
you
guys
beforehand
and
then
would
run
the
whole
larger
group
through
with
a
clear
objective
of
where
you
want
to
get
to,
and
it's
just
kind
of
pulling
together
a
series
of
different
participatory
exercises
and
practices
that
can
kind
of
support
us
from
getting
to
lots
of
different
ideas
into
something.
That's
a
coherent
strategy
that
is,
that
can
still
evolve
over
time.
A
Yeah
awesome,
so
I
think,
like
violet,
wanted
to
ask
a
couple
of
questions,
but
he's
not
here
so
yeah,
maybe
in
the
next
session
that
we'll
have
to
be
able
to
voice
them.
H
Contributor
here
and
I'm
definitely.
F
H
A
Yeah,
I
think
what
melanie
was
trying
to
say
that,
like
she's
responsible
for
sort
of
like
the
contributor
experience
and
yeah,
like,
I
think,
she's
gonna
be
one
of
the
ones.
That's
more
involved
in
like
structuring
the
this
whole
thing.
So
yeah
and
then
she'll
write
in
the
forum.
M
Awesome
I
mean,
I
think,
these
ideas,
sound,
really
cool
it'd,
be
great
to
have
these
kinds
of
workshops.
One
question
I
would
have
is
more
for,
like
the
general
organization
of
the
retreat
like
and
how
this
would
fit
into
a
bigger
schedule,
because
I
you
know,
I
think
two
days
is
a
decent
amount
of
commitment
out
of
something
like
five
days.
If
that's
what
we
have
so,
I
would
just
want
to
make
sure
that
we
have
a
full
schedule
and
an
understanding
of
how
this
would
fit
in.
E
And
also
what
I
would
add
as
a
as
someone
doing,
biz
dev
is
we
we
would
be
happier
to
go
ahead
with
it
if
it
ends
up
in
an
industry
piece
that
the
two
companies
could
write
together
and
share
on
social
media
like
we,
we
could.
If,
if
something
really
nice
and
positive
comes
out
of
it,
we
should
definitely
be
able
to
market
it.
F
A
And
I
hope
I
will
be
able
to
make
it.
I'm
definitely
gonna
write
something
about
this,
I'm
very
just
kind
of
like
an
off
topic,
but
I'm
very
interested
in
this.
I
don't
know
progressing
governance
as
a
general
thing.
I
think
the
thoughts
that
came
out
of
ecc
from
my
conversations
from
like
I
don't
know
the
style
of
governance
2.0
so
for
sure.