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A
Hello
and
welcome
to
the
dick
style
monday
9th
of
august
2021,
it
live,
call
sorry,
biz,
dev
call.
I
believe
we
don't
have
any
new
member
introductions,
but
we
have
a
couple
of
follow-ups
from
previous
sort
of
like
opportunities.
A
The
first
one
is
the
house
lpdow
sort
of
collaboration,
which
seems
to
be
going
very
well
we're
going
to
be
talking
about
potential
ido
east
to
staking
godel
good
dollar
collaboration
that
called
it
happened
last
week,
polygon
strategy
for
deex
dao,
which
is
the
dx
venture
investment,
actually
went.
They
deployed
on.
A
Investment
then
we
have
to
somehow
figure
out
like
what
we're
doing
on
polygon.
We
have
the
eth
global
hackathon
preparation,
which
is
in
a
month,
and
we
start
thinking
of
what
we're
doing
there,
a
proposal
for
like
yam
collaboration
and
there's
discussions.
We
have
like
the
style
collaboration
and
what
that
could
look
like,
and
then
we
have
if
lisbon
itself,
which
is
a
couple
of
things
that
are
happening,
there's
a
maybe
we
want
to
do
a
dig
style
event.
A
Maybe
collaborate
with
someone
else
sponsor
the
hackathon
and
then
you
know
there's
the
excel
retreat
that
we're
talking
about,
and
maybe
I
can
speak
about
this
as
well
like
there's
some
progress
and
yeah.
I
think
that's
it
or
maybe
if
we
can
get
to
it,
like
the
ebc
summary
post
that
was
made
by
tammy.
A
So
maybe
we
can
start
with
the
house.
Lpdow
progress.
C
C
If
you
read
the
details,
as
I
put
try
to
put
as
many
details
in
there
as
possible,
it
is
doing
like
another
rewards
pool
before
we
have
swapper
token,
like
we
haven't
even
talked
about
doing
more
rewards
for
like
dxd
token,
yet,
even
though
we
still
have
a
couple
ongoing
ones,
so
this
is
like.
I
know
this
is
like
a
unique
thing,
so
it's
I
mean
we
can
kind
of
think
of
it
as
an
expense
to
get
stay
involved
in
this
experiment
right.
C
So
this
is,
and
the
idea
of
lp
dallas
is
actually
a
really
interesting
idea.
I
think
there
will
be
more
of
them
right
now.
It's
pretty
awesome
that
swapper
is
attached
to
it.
It's
our
it's!
It's
our
like
when
we
did
our
original
farming.
We
got
to
like
250k
of
capital
in
that
pool,
and
already
this
pool
like
as
of
today
when
it
when
the
dao
puts
the
additional
liquidity
in
we'll
have
an
at
least
485
000,
based
on
today's
prices.
C
So
my
guess
is
that
could
even
be
higher
than
500k,
which
would
then
make
it
the
third
biggest
pull
on
swapper.
It
has
a
0.5
fee.
It
becomes
like
a
a
good
place
for
people
to
trade
that
token
right,
and
so
this
is
kind
of
what
we
want,
and
so
ideally
we
could
do
this
with
software
token,
but
we
don't
have
it
yet.
C
It
may
come
in
the
end
of
august
now
that
we
is
what
we're
thinking
so
in
this
proposal
before
I
knew
about
that,
we
were
saying
six
weeks,
so
six
weeks
would
cover
probably
through
the
launch
of
swapper
token,
which
is
great
so
in
six
weeks
we
could
then
re-evaluate.
Do
we
want
to
do
more
rewards
with
swapper
token
or
what
we
want
to
do
from
there,
but
it's
a
rather.
C
I
think
this
is
a
rather
small
cost
to
stay
involved
in
this,
like
get
keep
swapper
really
like
heavily
tied
to
this
cool
experiment.
So
I
don't
know
if
anyone
had
any
thoughts
or
opinions.
D
Yeah
like
currently
the
whole
liquidity
is
basically
on
swap
bar
on
exa
right.
Where
could
they
else
go
in
order
to
like
improve
yield
on
the
access.
C
So
the
biggest
pool
for
how
next
time
is
where
is
is
swapper
yeah?
The
biggest
pool
is
the
is
the
house
with
pool
it
will
become
even
bigger
once
this
lp
puts
more
capital
in
and
it
becomes
yeah
the
main
place
that
anyone
in
the
world
would
trade
house
basically.
C
C
Theoretically,
the
dow
can
can
vote
to
take
liquidity
out
of
swapper
and
put
it
into
another
dex.
But.
C
Yeah
there's
like
some
there'd,
be
like
governance
and
work
and
discussion
that
would
go
along
with
that.
It's
one
of
like
the
benefits
of
of
having
an
lp
dao.
It
would
be
an
interesting
idea
for
dxd
to
potentially
have
an
lp
dow
as
well.
The
tricky
thing
with
dxd
is
because
dx
doubt
already
has
swapper
you.
C
Probably
dxd
holders
wouldn't
really
ever
want
to
move
liquidity
away
from
swapper
or
somewhere
else
right
so
like
the
dxd
lp
down,
might
not
make
that
much
sense,
but
so
one
thing
would
be
if
other
projects
with
tokens,
whether
it's
maybe
on
arbitrarium
or
or
may
or
x,
die
potentially
maina
swapper
could
become
like
the
go-to
recommended
decks
for
new
lp.
Like
organizations
like
this.
E
Like
from
from
my
perspective,
I
don't
see
it
as
it
needs
to
be
worth
the
money
or
like
the
revenue
directly,
just
as
being
the
leaders
when
it
comes
comes
to
doubt
partnerships
or
like
being
the
trusted
partner
right,
it's
nice.
If
we
become
that
and
not
let's
say
honey,
swap.
E
D
Yeah,
I
don't
think
there's
like
loyalty
in
the
space,
it's
all
about
generating
the
the
highest
profits.
If
there's
like
a
more
capital
efficient
solution
for
householders
in
place
or
next,
I
they
will
definitely
move
so
yeah.
I
don't
like
that's
the
main
purpose
of
the
lpdow
right
that
they
are
able
to
move.
C
Well,
the
one
the
one
really
interesting
thing
would
be
an
integration
that
actually
gives
the
the
fee
governance
of
that
pool
and
turns
it
over
to
the
lp
dao
so
that
they
that
the
lp
dao
actually
has
the
governance
over
the
fee.
Right
and
that's
something
that
like
honey,
swap
and
sushi
swap
can't
do.
C
That's
so
good,
so
doing
this
yeah
doing
this
makes
it
a
like
that
idea.
I
mean
we're
not
even
doing
our
own,
like
we
don't
have
our
own
lp
governance
swap
fee
yet,
but
like
this
is
a
way
to
actually
turn
that
over
to
an
existing,
an
lp
that
which
is
quite
interesting.
So
we
could
work
on
that
over
the
next.
C
C
So,
like
that's
an
example,
so
one
of
the
things
we
were
discussing
is
in
this
next
point
down:
dx
biz
discussions
like
what
does
a
collab
look
like
in
this
space,
because
let's
say
there
was
a
technology
to
do
that.
Integration
like
who's
gonna,
build
it
right.
Like
probably
we'd,
do
this
like
pool,
we
have
a
good
relationship.
C
Maybe
they
take
the
actions
to
build
it,
because
we
don't
have
extra
resources
to
like
give
off
to
building
new
stuff
right.
We
can
we're
building
stuff
that
we're
already
behind
building
our
own
stuff,
so
in
general,
when
we
partner
or
collab
with
people
at
this
point
we're
kind
of
like
supplying
we'll
we'll
supply
capital,
other
people
supply
like
the
building
of
it
right
like
that's,
that's
how
I
see
collabs
working
today,
because
we
don't
have
extra
dev
resources
right.
D
Right,
like
one
interesting
idea,
would
be
that
the
house,
like
I
mean
they
are
there:
they
have
built
a
dao
governance
system
right.
It's
it's
basically
moloch
with
new
stuff.
I
hope,
but
why
not
like
see
them
actually
building
the
the
connection
to
swapper,
so
they
like
any
lp
daw,
should
be
able
to
request
like
ownership
of
a
swapper
pool
via.
C
D
Yeah
yeah,
do
you
mean
like
once
they
get
the
ownership
of
the
pool
they
should
be
able
to
like
change
the
fee
based
on
governance,
yeah,
exactly
yeah.
C
All
right,
well
anyway,
let's
move
on
to
the
next
thing,
but
like
yeah,
if
you
have
any
comments
or
suggestions
or
really
hate
this
idea
or
like
the
idea,
comment
or
heart
in
the
thread,
and
we
have
like,
we
have
some
time
we
have
like
a
week.
We
have
well
really.
This
could
start
whenever
or
it
could
not
start
whenever
so
like
in
the
next
week
or
two
would
be
when
would
be
ideal
to
start
it
if,
if
it
was
gonna,
come
into
existence.
A
Yeah
in
general,
I
just
think
this
is
it's
good,
it's
very
good
to
be
connected
with
the
rest
of
the
ethereum
dao
community,
even
if
it's
a
bit
different
so
yeah
on
to
the
next
topic,
I
think
created
like
a
little
priority.
Do
you
want
to
talk
briefly
about
good
dollar
or
is
tammy
not
here.
C
D
C
Been
funding
it
themselves,
it's
it's
kind
of
an
experiment.
It's
an
experiment,
just
like
circles,
ubi,
it's
gotten
some
traction.
Some
people
are
actually
using
it
in
developing
worlds.
Sorry,
developing
countries
and
one
idea
that
tammy
kind
of
raised
was
it
would
be
interesting
to
potentially
incentivize
and
include
a
good
dollar
pool
on
on.
Ideally,
it's
well
they're,
mainly
on
main
net
right
now,.
C
Help
a
social
cause,
so
it's
basically
a
way
to
attach
dx
down
swapper
to
this
interesting
for
good
experiment
and
incentivizing.
Some
pool
for
good
dollars
in
swapper
could
gain
some
good
marketing
from
that,
and
an
etoro,
like
team
in
general
is
very
like
apparently,
very,
very
good
at
marketing,
so
they're
already
saying
like
if
we
did
something
that
they
could
really
push
it
through
their
marketing
channels.
C
C
C
But
we
could
just
we
could
just
include
the
project
in
a
list
of
you
know,
partners
we
want
to
include
in
interesting
da,
like
dow
focused
farming
campaigns
that
we
plan
to
do
with
swapper
token
right.
So
we
don't.
We
don't
have
this
program
going
yet
because
we
don't
have
it,
but
we're
gonna
have
a
list
and
we
we've
already
started
a
list
of
like
projects
where
we
think
we
could
own
that
pool
and
they're
like
there's
some
connection
to
dx
dow
they're,
not
just
like
random
d5
projects
like
ave
and
uniswap
right.
C
They
have
some
they're,
probably
more
niche.
We
could
probably
own
that
pool.
We
have
a
relationship
with
those
parties.
We
could
potentially
do
other
stuff
together,
but
this
just
has
a
social
good
connection
to
it,
and
that
would
be
a
choice
to
include
that
in
a
farming
campaign.
For
that
reason,
yeah
and
and
those
partnerships.
D
Actually
define
these,
though
right
and
we
see
the
partnership
with
radical.
It's
like
a
testament
for
we're
actually
really
trying
to
use
decentralized
technologies
now
and
yeah
having
having
a
ubi
project
partnering
with,
is
also
another
like
defining
character
point
for
the
dsl,
and
I
think
it's
a
definitely
a
good
opportunity
for
us.
C
Yeah
and
maybe
someone
could
think
of
some
like
specific,
closer
connection
that
dx
dow
could
be
involving
ubi
right
in
its
ecosystem,
because,
like
that's,
this
is
just
like
a
general
connection,
but
maybe
there's
actually
something
deeper.
That
good
dollar
and
dx
doubt
could
do
together
so
need
to
figure
that
out
too.
C
D
Yeah
are
they
going
to
create
a
proposal?
I
mean
at
the
end
it's
just
creating
like
a
draft
proposal
on
dot
talk
and
then
you
can
start
the
discussion.
C
This
is
not
like
we're
not
doing
any
of
these
proposals
today
about,
like
dxdow,
doing
swapper
rewards
for
like
certain
projects,
because
swapper
tokens
not
here
right
so
like
just
it's
for
people
to
keep
in
mind
for
when
we
start
to
do
that
type
of
program.
C
Well,
the
whole
their
whole
system
has
been
bootstrapped.
It's
still
like
a
small
project
with
this
is
not
like
giant
numbers
right,
but
they
have
like
lots
of
users
around,
but
they
have
this.
It's
like
circles
like.
Do
you
have
any
circle
tokens
like
they're,
theoretically
worth
nothing,
but
you
can
use
them
for
things,
but
they
start
to
have
some
value
because
they're
they
are
backed
by
dye,
I
believe
in
their
basically
they
have
a
bonding
curve
system.
C
A
A
All
right
next
topic
that
I
think
like
where
you
should
just
or
did
anyone
want
to
say
something.
A
All
right,
so,
I
think
like
we
could
just
like
discuss
this
briefly
about
polygon,
so
like
this
started
with,
like
the
adventures,
investment
into
work
tokens-
and
there
was
this
whole
issue-
there
was
they
played
on
x,
died,
but
they
screwed
up
essentially
and
now
they
are
on
polygon,
and
in
order
to
receive
our
tokens,
we
need
to
somehow
receive
them
on
polygon,
and
then
I
don't
know
a
question
is:
should
the
style
deploy
in
polygon
could
be
interesting,
it's
cheaper
right
and
yeah.
A
Maybe
we
could
test
like
the
ex
votes
before
it's
fully
live
on
arbitrary.
I
don't
know
like
thoughts
around
this.
C
So
before
it's
even
without
being
work
token
in
general,
you
know
we
keep
hearing
things
and
tammy.
You
know
heard
this
a
lot
in
paris.
She
was
saying,
like
like
new
project.
Launching
oh
interesting,
get
the
dxd
involved,
dx
down
involved,
oh,
but
we're
only
on
our
we're.
Only
on
polygon,
like
we
can
gamify
all
your
apps
and
send
you
users,
but
we
are
only
on
polygon,
and
so
there
is
a
bunch
of
projects
in
space
that
are
only
on
polygon.
It's
it's
obviously
got
a
lot
of
capital
compared
to
like
x
to
die.
C
It's
it.
There's
some
trade-offs.
There
and
dx
dow
has
beliefs,
so
we're
using
x
die
as
our
kind
of
experimental
expand
expansion
base.
We
didn't
use
polygon
mainly
because
gnosis
kind
of
chose
x-di
around
omen.
C
I
think
like
organically,
but
now
there's
like
a
specific
use
case
where
dx
dao
has
an
investment
where
there
is
a
work
token,
which
we
can
we're.
Looking
we're
trying
to
figure
out
like
if
we
can,
we
could
probably
get
the
work
token
on
mainnet,
but,
like
then
the
work
token
just
sits
in
dxda'o,
and
then
you
can't
stake
it,
and
so
you
lose
all
the
benefits
of
staking.
Basically
because
staking
your
work.
C
Theoretically,
we
could
use
it
for
like
capital
pools,
maybe
if
we
wanted
to,
but
if
you
want
to
participate
in
the
opolis
system,
like
you
can't,
you
have
to
be
like
a
member
of
the
cooperative
and
you
have
to
also
be
on
polygon.
Basically,
and
so
there
are
ways
to
like,
in
a
trust
in
a
trust
way
like
get
the
token
from
polygon
some
way
and
send
it
over
to
mainnet
bridget,
and
it
is
originally
a
mainnet
token.
So
it
is
a
mainnet
token.
C
A
C
E
From
swapper
product
side
we
are
planning
a
swapper
bridge
and
that's
what
swapper
bridge
to
work.
We
need
to
deploy
swapper
on
on
polygon
and
we're
most
probably
going
to
deploy
it
on
like
binding
chain
too.
C
E
D
Wait
why
why
are
we
not
installing
a
red
clone
from
the
dixon
polygon.
A
D
Yeah
exactly
I
mean
it
depends
on
if,
if
augusto's
code
is
actually
like
needs
to
be
audited,
because
then
we
will
not
push.
D
Yeah
I
like
I,
I
see
that
as
an
opportunity
like
to
bolster
swapper
as
like
multi-train,
I
I
think
at
the
beginning
of
swapper's
governance.
D
Future,
the
dixon
will
kind
of
do
it
a
little
bit
for
it
until
until
the
governance
system
is
in
place
for
swapper
right.
So
we
are
already
like
the
d
star
will
already
manage
the
token
at
the
beginning,
so
it
wouldn't
hurt.
If
we
will
also
manage
like
polygon
deployments
and
yeah
a
rap
clone
would
be
awesome,
and
I
think
that's
that's
like
a
big
benefit.
We
have
with
like
cloning
secure.
D
Cloning,
like
rap
state,
which
makes
the
governance
governance
kind
of
secure
because,
like
liquid
token
governance,
they
need
to
incentivize
people
to
move
to
the
other
chain
to
like
do
governance
on
it
right
so
bootstrapping
it
secure
governance
system
on
other
chains
will
be
difficult
for
for
the
rest,
but
not
for
us.
So
I
think
that's
something
we
we
should
leverage.
C
So
the
so
the
one
thing
is
geronimo,
that's
a
good
point,
but
like
we've,
this
isn't
the
first
time
we've
discussed
this
and
we've
kind
of
just
said,
like
dx
dow,
doesn't
believe
in
binance
smart
chain
really
and
like
the
beliefs
behind
it
and
doesn't
really
believe
in
or
believes
less
in
in,
like
polygon
as
well,
compared
to
main
net
and
compared
to
arbitram,
and
so,
like
we've
already
kind
of
consciously
made
a
decision
that
not
to
put
a
base
there
and
so
now
like
we're,
really
just
putting
a
base
there
to
like
get
a
token.
C
It
kind
of
seems
dumb
and
okay,
if
you
need
a
base
there
because
of
the
bridge
stuff
that
that's
talking
about
with
swapper.
That's
another,
that's
another
story
which
we
can.
We
can
figure
out.
That's
the
case,
but
we've
kind
of
decided
not
to
put
a
base
on
those
chain,
those
two
chains
so
far.
D
Yeah,
I
mean
we're
we're
also
missing
out
with
with
it
we're
also
missing
out
like
opportunities
with
those
like
chain
communities.
Right
like
there
is
a
polygon
community,
evolving
right
now,
and
we
are
not
part
of
it
mainly
because
we
are,
we
are
not
like.
I
mean
for
us,
it's
actually
pretty
simple,
to
be
somewhere
else
by
just
like
redeploying
the
clone,
and
then
we
are
there
and
similar
to
xdi.
Only
once
the
main
base
is
moving
funds
to
to
the
new
clone.
C
D
D
I
don't
think
we
can't
like
even
lower
than
the
and
polygon
is
basically
the
same
thing
just
pick
the
wrong
network.
C
D
Yeah,
I
think
we
need
to
like
sync
base
with
augusto
about
like
using
dx
vote
with
mostly
dow
stack
contracts
on
polygon,
which
means
they're
kind
of
battle
tested
right,
so
yeah
and
with
hopefully
dx
as
a
dxd.
As
a
staking
token
for
the
polygon
system
governance
system,
then
I
don't
think
it's.
I
think
it's
actually
like
a
no-brainer.
A
Yeah
I
already
pinged
him
in
the
dx
vote,
chat
so
yeah,
let's
see
what
it
is
like.
I
don't
see
why
not.
This
could
also
serve,
as
you
know,
like
a
test
but
like
before
arbitrary,
so
yeah
yeah.
D
Will
our
image
get
attacked
if
we
use
polygon,
I
mean
it's
just
just
like
it's
basically
x
die
with
a
different
community
and
like
way
more
network
effects,
do
we
lose
anything
if
we
just
clone
ourselves
there
and
start
doing
business
there.
D
I
think
our
end
goal
is
to
promote
our
front-end
products
like.
I
think
we
should
lead
as
on
on
front-ends
for
now,
and
also
moved
like
strongly
on
solidity
development
and
like
build
our
own
protocols
too,
but
for
now
I
think
we
should
promote
our
front-end
products,
which
means
we
should
be
on
different
edm
communities.
C
D
A
Yeah,
sorry,
I
was
lost
in
the
tabs,
so
the
next
topic-
maybe
it's
you
know
the
east
global
hackathon-
that's
happening
in
a
month.
I
don't
know
like
I
don't
know
if
there's
any
like,
we
talked
like
last
time
about
I
like
carrot
and
and
things
to
do
with
omen,
but
I
don't
know
if
anything
was
like
decided
or
or
like
even
written
down.
So
yeah
like
this
is.
Maybe
this
is
also
could
be
like
an
open
thread
that
you
know
people
throw
in
like
ideas.
A
C
Yeah,
like
really,
we
need
to
figure
out
how
we're
going
to
get
carrot
further
along
because
lots
of
people
want
to
use
it.
It's
really
interesting
and
I
don't
think
we
can
like
count
on
random
hackers
at
a
hackathon
to
build
carrot.
Really,
we
need
to
like
make
carrot,
work
and
exist,
and
then
people
can
think
of
new
ways
to
use
carrot
in
different
ecosystems
and
different
different
products
and
stuff,
but
like
no,
no,
no
hackathon,
no
hackers
at
a
hackathon
are
going
to
build
carrot
for
us.
C
C
E
E
And
and
yeah
would
be
great
if
we
could
plan
out
a
carrot
and
make
an
mvp
together
with
the
like
eath
works,
who
that
does
like
they
do
actually
smart
contracts
and
front
ends
and
until
like
we
it's
not
like,
we
have
like,
we
have
the
funds,
we
have
the
money,
we
need
developers,
but
until
then
like
do
we
just
wait
and
roll
our
fingers.
D
C
E
I
mean
we
need
someone
to
architect
build
this
on
on,
like
paper
first
or
in
real
life.
It
depends
so
we
basically
need
federico's
head
on
this
first,
so
he
needs
to
put
on
time
on
this
just
to
either
write
it
down
or
to
to
explain
it
in
a
good
way
for
a
team
to
actually
start
building
this
but
yeah.
So
one
one
is
the
planning,
the
other
one
is
actually
building.
A
A
Yeah,
so
I
guess
the
next
topic
is
sort
of
like
if
lisbon
and
everything
that's
going
on
around
it,
there
is
a
team
on
key
base
with
a
bunch
of
people
as
a
part
of
it
generally
shaping
up
to
be.
The
hackathon
is
between
the
14th
and
the
16th.
A
I
think,
and
then
between
the
12th
and
the
or
like
the
11th
and
and
12th
or
13th
is
liz
con,
which
is
essentially
like
a
crypto
conference,
and
then
we
were
talking
in
dxdow
to
have
the
retreat
in
the
days
before
that,
so
starting
from
friday,
saturday,
sunday
and
then
probably
like
leaving
on
monday.
A
I
have
the
schedule
somewhere
and
yeah
some
of
the
things
that
we're
thinking
is
like
I'm,
I'm
pushing
through
speaking
to
graded
nx,
which
they
do.
They
do
like
workshops
and
team
buildings
and
stuff
like
that,
and
I
know
kate
and
francesca
from
there.
They
used
to
work
for
or
like
with
daostack-
and
you
know,
they're
familiar
with
dolls
they're
familiar
with
these
type
of
workshops,
and
it
could
be
like
great
to
have
them.
A
And
then
yeah
thanks
melanie,
so
liz
con
is
yeah
wednesday
and
thursday,
and
then
the
hackathon
is
like
friday
through
sunday.
C
I'm
I'm
a
little
concerned
that
that,
like
the
hackathon
that,
like
they're
like
there's
one
fun,
that's
like
running
the
hackathon
and
making
decisions
which
we're
now
seeing
then
there's
like
a
couple
other
things
being
planned,
but
it's
like
eve,
like
ecc
and
paris,
and
all
those
events
like
yeah
the
side.
Events
came
together
late
but
like
the
core
thing
was
very
like
planned.
C
Well
well
in
advance
right-
and
this
seems
like
it's
it's,
maybe
that's,
okay,
maybe
it's
just
like
a
lot
of
side
events
all
put
together
in
one
week,
so
maybe
maybe
I'm
my
concern
is
invalid,
but
I
I
wouldn't
put
too
much.
F
Yeah,
I
think
they
also
announced
it
just
after
portugal
announced
that
in
october,
restrictions
are
going
to
be
lifted,
so
maybe
they
were
also
waiting
on
this.
You
know,
but
I
agree
that
it's
still
a
bit
chaotic
and
the
fact
that
it's
that
there's
a
waiting
list
to
sponsor
it's
a
bit
weird,
I
think,
feel
but
yeah.
A
Whole
thing
is
a
bit
kind
of
weird
with
the
hackathon,
but
I
think
you
know
there's
good,
there's
definitely
going
to
be
a
crypto
gathering,
and
this
is
something
that
we're
interested
in
and
then
you
know,
if
everything
works
out,
then
we
will
be
able
to
do.
You
know
at
least
three
four
days
of
the
style
coming
together
and
you
know
working
on
whatever
it
is
that
we
want
to
do.
I
think
this
has
been
discussed
both
in
paris
and
like
before,
like
a
dx
retreat.
F
So
yeah
actually
to
briefly
talk
about
the
dx
retreat.
I
think
there
are
a
couple
of
different
thoughts
behind
this,
so
there's
also
an
idea
of
like
already
flying
out
to
portugal,
maybe
on
the
10th,
for
example,
and
then
doing
like
the
monday
to
friday
somewhere
outside
of
lisbon.
So
more
like
proper
retreat
style.
You
know
we're
all
together,
maybe
in
a
quinta
or
a
villa
or
whatever,
then
moving
to
lisbon
for,
like
the
seven
eight
days
of
the
conference
and
having
one
big
apartment
there.
F
I
don't
know
what
people
think.
I've
also
been
looking
into
some
options
with
melanie
and
we'll
also
share
some
stuff
in
key
base
and
on
the
forum
to
get
some
feedback,
but
I
think
it's
also
important
to
move
quickly
on
this
kind
of
stuff
because
of
course,
a
lot
of
crypto
companies,
not
only
crypto
companies,
but
also
the
week
right
after
is
web
summit,
the
biggest
tech
event
in
europe.
I
think
or
something
like
this,
so
the
time
periods
are
going
to
be
quite
busy.
F
F
Which
would
mean
that
the
dx
retreat
would
be
something
from
the
10th
to
the
15th,
let's
say
outside
of
lisbon
and
then
from
the
17th
until
the
25th
the
end
of
the
conference,
we
would
have
a
big
house
in
lisbon,
so
we'd
also
have
like
a
couple
of
days
in
lisbon
before
the
actual
event
starts
just
to
settle
down
in
lisbon
and
stuff,
not
sure
what
your
guys
thoughts
are
about
that,
like
at
your
house,
my
house
is
not
big
enough.
F
So
in
portugal
there
are
a
lot
of
quintas
which
are
like
traditionally
like
estates
in
the
countryside,
where
they
make
wine
so
just
share
here
in
the
chat
one
we
were
looking
at
where
we
could
rent
like
they
have
like
a
little
villa
slightly
outside
on
the
vineyard,
and
a
couple
of
other
houses
are
more
close
to
the
vineyard
or
closer
together
these
other
houses,
and
I
believe
it's
like
for
five
or
six
nights.
F
So
that
was
the
idea
to
perhaps
do
this
and
they
also
do
barbecues
picnics
yoga
wine
tastings,
all
this
kind
of
stuff,
where
we
could
do
some
events
and
then
also
maybe
organize
some
work
around
that
and
then
the
idea
was
to
move
into
lisbon
after
this,
and
there
are
also
some
some
really
good
apartments
right
next
to
where
the
event
is
taking
place,
and
it's
also
very
central.
So
from
there.
You
can
also
walk
pretty
much
to
town,
and
you
have
a
lot
of
restaurants
and
everything
around
you.
D
A
The
15th
it
sounds
amazing,
maybe
we
should
do
it
the
week
after,
like
you
eat
lisbon,
but
yeah,
I
don't
know.
A
But
yeah
this
sounds.
This
sounds
like
really
really
amazing.
I
guess
we'll
have
to
like.
I
don't
know
if
for
everyone
it's
okay
to
have,
I
don't
know,
take
off
like
or
to
leave
home
for
like
two
weeks,
but
I
guess
for
some
it
is.
G
I
completely
understand
two
weeks
is
is
a
long
time,
but
we
want
the
experience
to
be
amazing,
we're
putting
together
all
of
this
information
and
we're
gonna
share
it
with
you
guys.
So,
hopefully,
we
can
get
like
a
proposal
up
or
something
up
in
the
forum
for
everybody
to
just
formally
review
and
and
take
a
look
at
to
see
if
it's
something
that
you
guys
are
all
interested
in.
A
Yeah
I'll
just
say
again,
this
sounds
really
amazing.
I
can
tell
you
that
I've
been
so
like
to
kind
of
continue
for
that.
I've
been
talking
to
like
greater
than
x,
like
I
said
before,
and
it
looks
like
for
two
full
days
which
is
sort
of
like
I
don't
wanna.
A
I
don't
know
if
it's
intense
workshops,
but
it's
you
know
it's
lots
of
team
building
and
like
strategy
and
and
like
alignment
understanding
like
what
we
want
to
do,
and
it
comes
down
to
about
like
6k
euros,
which
is,
I
feel
like
that's
very
cheap
and
yeah
like
I'll,
have
like
a
full
proposal
like
later
today
or
tomorrow
and
yeah.
G
Yeah
and
dave-
and
I
were
kind
of
discussing
that
nylon-
we
were
thinking
that
maybe
we
could
do
those
workshops
at
at
the
actual
conference
and
then
maybe
share
like
save
the
retreat
just
for
for
other
activities
just
within
the
group.
So
that
kind
of
works
perfect.
If
you
aren't
going
to
be
able
to
make
it
to
the
to
the
retreat.
G
Well,
the
the
location
that
we're
planning
on
looking
at
offers,
like
a
ton
of
different
experiences
kind
of
like
dave,
was
saying
so
they
have
like
yoga
and
meditation
like
food
tasting
oil
tastings
like
I
think
you
can
go
on
like
hikes
and
then
it
has
like,
of
course,
like
a
pool
and
all
that
so
we'll
probably
plan
like
a
bunch
of
like
team
building
activities
around
that
as
well.
But
that's
what
we're
kind
of
thinking.
F
What
do
people
think
if
it's
such
a
proposal,
I
would
assume,
like
the
accommodation,
if
we
took
a
look
at
the
two
weeks,
it's
probably
going
to
be
in
the
neighborhood
of
I
would
just
roughly
guess,
like
13
to
15k.
F
Should
that
proposal
pass
on
both
mainnet
and
next
I
or
is
x,
die
enough
for
what
what
just
just
to
feel
some
general
idea
on
this?
What
do
you
guys
think.
B
Next,
I
should
do,
but
what
would
that
include.
B
B
For
how
many
people
17
to
18
right
yeah?
Oh,
that
that's
reasonable
yeah
and
it's
it's
not
a
big
amount,
so
xdi
should
do.
But
we
should
make
sure
that
we
go
ahead
with
f
lisbon,
the
hackathon,
the
we
will
take
care
of
the
retreat.
I
reckon.
But
the
experience
with
ecc
was
that
we
waited
till
the
last
moment
and
then
we
couldn't
get
tickets.
F
As
well
yeah,
so
of
course
the
accommodation
is
for
both
lisbon
for
the
event
and
the
dx
retreat,
and
I
mean
east
lisbon
is
a
hackathon.
So
for
the
there
are
actually
no
tickets
that
go
on
sale.
You
just
have
to
apply
to
be
a
hacker,
so
it's
that
part
is
a
bit
different
than
fcc
liz.
Con
will
likely
have
tickets,
but
they
don't
even
have
a
website
yet
so,
but,
as
you
know,
the
website
is
there.
We
should
make
sure
we
get
some
tickets
for
sure.
B
Yeah,
I
I
just
meant
the
sponsoring
packages,
because
I
emailed
them
and
actually
got
a
response
back
from
chris
from
1kx,
and
he
said
that
there
is
no
particular
theme
around
the
hackathon.
B
F
We
actually
already
look
at
the
sponsor
book
and
we're
already
in
touch
with
christopher
about
sponsorship
opportunities
and
it's
they're
actually
delayed
on
their
side,
because
apparently
they
have
too
many
people
who
want
to
sponsor
so
they're,
actually
reviewing
sponsor
sponsors
and
so
they're
actually
gonna
take
one
to
two
weeks
to
give
some
information
on
what
decision
they're
gonna
make,
but
we're
already
in
touch
and
have
already
inquired
to
sponsor
so,
but.
F
G
A
Yeah,
so
I
guess
we're
out
of
time
anything
else.
We
should
discuss.
B
A
I
I
have
to
go,
but
there
are,
there
are
a
bunch
of
stuff
actually
there's
discussion
about
lido
eastern
staking
yam
collaboration,
so
yeah.
C
Yeah,
maybe
just
to
touch
on
lido,
really
quickly.
Nathan's
done
a
bunch
of
work
and
there's
been
some
posts
like
background
of
lato,
but
in
general
the
idea
is
lato
is
this
platform
that
allows
us
to
stake
basically
into
e2
like
nexus.
Mutual
is
doing
it
with
like
five
or
ten
thousand
each.
I
think
there
are
some
points
of
like
it's
not
fully
decentralized
like
the
withdrawals
and
who
can
run
the
staking
validators
and
things
so
there's
like
some
positives
and
negatives
to
it.
C
A
A
proposal
passed
doing
this
with
stakewise
and
the
problem
is
like
to
do
it
this
directly
from
the
dao.
It's
a
bit
complex,
I'm
hoping
that
I'll
be
able
to
figure
this
out
with
nico,
but
perhaps
like
we
could
split
it
up
between
stake,
wise
and
light.
I
think
these
are
the
two
main
ones
that
are
live.
D
D
C
Yeah,
so
there's
a
if
you,
if
we
go
on
to
curve
and
buy
staked
eath
with
eth,
there's
like
you're,
paying
like
fees
and
slippage
and
stuff,
if
you
put
it
into
lighter
directly,
you
have
a
lower
fee,
then
the
the
bigger
kind
of
risk,
though,
is
like
we
have
staked
each
and
you
want
to
get
back
to
eat.
Basically,
you
basically
have
to
do
it
only
in
the
curve
pool
right,
because
you
can't,
if
you,
if
you're
staking
eth2,
you
can't
withdraw
it
right.
It's
like
it's
impossible.
C
It's
not
live
right,
so
you
can
turn
your
stakes
into
eth,
using
the
big
curve
pool
which
is
being
incentivized
heavily
currently,
which
is
why
it's
big
and
and
pretty
liquid.
I
think.
But
if
something
happened
like
if
market
turbulence
things
happen
like
there
is
a
risk
that
you
could
be
paying
big
fees
or
not
be
able
to
turn
your
stake
back
into
east.
D
B
D
Would
be
to
use
like
if
aqua
is
audited
and
it's
working
and
it's
and
the
fastest
fair
sale
is
integrated.
We
could
use
aqua
to
get
into
staking
right,
like
basically
selling
e
for
steak
e
without
playing
curfews.
D
And
it
will
give
like
another
site,
basically
also
like
the
free
exchange
right.
Someone
wants
to
get
out
of
staff
probably,
and
they
don't
want
to
like
pay
their
currencies
to.
B
Yeah,
but
always
save
this
way
is
the
entry
fee
and
it's
less
than
0.00,
and
we
still
have
the
exit
feed.
That
sky
just
said
in
case
anything
happens
or
even
if
everything
goes
well,
the
exit
fee
would
be
0.05
from
the
curveball.
So
you
know:
buying
steath
on
aqua
isn't
like
much
of
an
improvement,
because
we
can
securely
deposit
eth
to
lido
through
the
dow
with
a
relayer,
and
then
it's
just
this.
You
know
pending
exit
in
in
about
a
year's
time.
If
everything
goes
well
or
something
goes
awry.
Meanwhile,.
C
Yeah
and
the
real
like,
so
this
is
how
we
get
to
real
layers
and
things,
and
so
like.
Theoretically,
the
treasure
diversification
could,
as
part
of
that,
which
is
using
multi-sig,
could
like
start
to
acquire
state
teeth
in
place
of
eath
and
sending
it
back
to
the
dow.
But
that's
not
like
the
dow
doing
itself
for
the
dow
to
technically
do
the
whole
thing
itself.
It
would
likely
require
a
bunch
of
work
from
on
like
yeah,
new
relay
and
things
like
that.
C
C
B
Yeah
and
at
the
same
time,
if
we
would
have
done
those
in
advance,
they
could
have
generated
us
hundreds
of
thousands
of
dollars
and
or
saved
us
hundreds
of
thousands
of
dollars
in
a
downturn,
and
it
could
have
given
us
a
better
leeway.
F
I
mean
to
be
fair,
we're
lucky.
We
didn't
buy
rye
when
ether
was
at
1.8
k,
but
that's
I
guess
irrelevant,
but
it
would
be
nice
if
we
were
able
to
interact
with
the
dow
directly
with
like
swapper
or
union
swap
right,
then
we
could
just
buy
all
those
tokens
there
directly
through
through
a
proposal
that
would
be
pretty
nice.
No.
D
D
And
I
think
someone
is
in
it.
I
think
chris
is
in
sync
with
nico
about
creating
a
real
layer
which
is
able
to
talk
to
balancer,
uni
swap
and
yeah
swapper,
so
the
dc
could
interact
with
those
liquidity
pools
to
buy
stuff.
B
Yeah
last
week,
we
we
mentioned
to
nico
that
you
know
we
need
a
relay
for
aqua
and
he
said
that
his
idea
is
to
to
put
some
work
into
a
more
generalized
one
that
can
own
funds
and
interact
with
other
protocols
and
and
different
funds.
So
if,
if
we
do
that
that
that
would
be
awesome-
and
I
think
daniel-
that
is
from
space
inch,
helping
aqua-
can
help
him
build
this.