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A
Here
we
go
so
welcome
everyone
to
the
d
style
business
call
for
monday,
9th
of
may
2022
on
the
agenda.
Today
we
have
quite
a
few
new
member
introductions.
We
are,
we
have
orca
presenting
here
and
then
under
the
express
discussions
we
have
the
exclude
product
suite
and
the
road
to
governance,
2.0
and
under
dx
events.
We
have
ecc
dx,
hack
and
devcon,
bogota
and
yeah.
I
think
there's
a
lot
on
the
agenda.
So
let's
get
started,
and
so
I
think
for
the
member
deductions.
C
Hi
everyone,
I'm
ashley
and
here's
the
view
of
the
la
defense
in
paris.
In
case
you
missed
a
view
early
on,
so
I
am
very
interested
in
joining
the
exile,
and
this
is
my
first
call,
I'm
very
excited
to
introduce
myself.
I
am
a
lawyer
currently
based
in
paris,
and
I
am
a
us
qualified
lawyer,
so
I
was
trained
in
new
york
and
also
work
in
hong
kong.
C
As
a
corporate
lawyer
and
later
I
joined
team
tech
startups
and
also
sas,
and
it
was
really
my
passion
for
the
intersection
of
blockchain,
dao
and
also
law.
That
really
brought
me
here
and
I
think
for
me
what
I
find
incredibly
exciting
about
what
dx
style
is
doing
and
also
what
I
want
to
contribute
is
really
to
help
shaping
the
development
of
dao
s,
and
it
is
still
a
very
especially
from
a
legal
point
of
view.
It's
a
very
ambiguous.
C
It's
a
it's
an
uncharted
territory
which
I'm
very
excited
to
explore,
and
I
think
I
have
a
lot
of
passion
for
this
field
and
I'm
really
willing
to
contribute
in
any
way
that
is
possible
for
this
community.
So
I
just
want
to
listen
to
you
what
everyone's
discussing
and
trying
to
figure
out
what
are
the
missing
pieces
of
dx
style
and
how
I
can
contribute
more
thanks.
Everyone.
A
Awesome
thank
you
for
joining
and
welcome.
I
think
you're
already
talking
to
melanie
and
yeah,
like
that's
kind
of
the
road
forward
and
yeah.
I
think
so.
Next
up
we
don't
have
anyone
else
new
right.
D
Actually,
we
do
actually
have
one
more
new
member
introduction
dino
if
you're
available,
just
to
give
a
quick
intro.
E
Yeah
sure
well,
hello,
everyone,
I'm
dino,
I'm
from
argentina.
I
used
to
be
an
accountant
for
eight
years
and
well
during
that
time
I've
been
programming
on
enough
and
last
yeah.
Last
year
I
decided
to
I
mean
I
was
it
was
programming
anyway.
So
I,
why
not
switch
careers
to
to
being
a
dev?
E
So
well
I
started
doing
courses
I
turned
into
a
bootcamp.
I
got
full
time
on
it
and
I
joined
the
xdao,
mainly
I
heard
it
through
augusto
I'm
from
squeeze
of
him
since
we
were
like
15
years
and
well.
He
he
told
me
about
the
extao
and
everything
you
were
doing
here
and
it
was
extremely
extremely
interesting
to
join
organization.
E
That's
working
on
conquest
iii,
it's
it's
like
the
the
edge
of
the
edge,
so
I
was
extremely
interested
in
joining
and
well.
He
told
me
to
to
let
him
know
when
I
finish
here.
A
Yeah
welcome
cool,
so
yeah,
I
I
guess
you
are
in
the
key
base,
so
you
know
feel
free
to
reach
out
to
melanie
and
yeah
just
continue
your
onboarding
yeah.
So
up
next
we
have
frogmonkey
from
orca
and
yeah.
Do
you
want
to
just
take
it
away.
F
Yeah
sure
so,
hey
guys,
I'm
frog
over
at
orca,
like
I
mentioned
jules,
was
supposed
to
join
us,
but
unfortunately
had
a
last-minute
thing.
I
think
in
the
interest
of
time
it
seems
like
you
guys,
have
a
lot
to
cover
I'm
kind
of
just
going
to
get
straight
into
the
the
the
meat
of
it
here.
So
orca
is
basically
an
on-chain
subdial
implementation
that
uses
a
permissions
layer
wrapped
around
a
gnosis
safe.
F
I
do
want
to
talk
a
bit
about
how
the
sort
of
product
works
and
then,
from
there
sort
of,
depending
on
time,
talk
a
bit
about
how
dx
dao
is
organized
at
sort
of
an
architectural
level
like
organizational
design
and
see
if
we
can
map
some
of
those
dx
data
organizational
model
onto
pods
and
see
if
it's
like
a
good
fit
for
sort
of
our
private
beta.
F
I
guess
for
for
some
contacts
we're
basically
expanding
our
private
beta
we've
worked
with
tribe,
fireeyes
and
ens
and
we're
trying
to
like
expand
more.
F
You
know
board
more
people,
but
we're
it's
still
a
closed
beta,
so
we're
being
a
bit
selective
of
which
kind
of
partners
you
want
to
work
with,
and
so
we
want
to
work
with
partners
that
have
a
strong
use
case
or
a
strong
need
to
actually
port
their
organizational
model
into
into
pods,
and
so
the
first
thing
I
want
to
do
is
just
kind
of
go
through
what
pods
are
for
that
we've
put
together
a
video,
so
I'm
just
going
to
share
my
screen.
It's
like
a
three
minute
video.
F
It's
not
super
long!
So
I'm
going
to
share
my
screen
and
we'll
just
walk
through
that
video
here
sounds
good.
F
All
right,
can
you
guys
see
yeah
yeah
cool
all
right?
Hopefully
let
me
know
if
the
audio
does
not
come
through.
Please
say
something.
G
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F
Yeah,
so
that's
it
for
that
video.
We
have
a
separate
video
that
kind
of
goes
into
an
actual
product
demo,
but
I
think
that's
kind
of
at
a
scope
for
this
right
now
any
questions
about
how,
at
least
based
on
that,
like
initial
presentation,
any
questions
on
how
pods
kind
of
work.
A
You
know
safe,
where
you
can
have
like
a
lot
more,
like
kind
of
like
a
module
for
many
people
to
vote,
or
you
know
an
admin
that
decides
who's
inside
that
multisig
with
you
know
the
burning
and
minding
of
the
end
of
these
and
yeah.
Like
am
I
getting
this
like
overall
correctly.
F
Yeah,
so
it's
basically
a
permissions
layer,
that's
built
around
you
know
knows
to
save
multisigs.
I
think
what
what
often
happens
is,
if
you
create
a
working
group
or
something
right.
You'll
you'll
grow
out,
you'll
go
out
and
spit
up
a
multi-sig
around
that,
but
that
multi-sig
is
not
really
controlled
or
managed
by
a
higher
entity
right
sort
of
that
principal
agent
relationship.
That
dan
was
talking
about
you're
kind
of
reliant
on
that
multisig
or
the
signers
of
that
multisig
to
sort
of
act
in
good
faith.
F
So
all
that
sort
of
orca
protocol
and
pods
do
is
it
creates
a
permissions
layer
around
that
multi-sig
that
allows
some
type
of
principle
such
as
like
sort
of
the
the
the
management
of
that
multisig
to
have
some
sort
of
powers
over
that
multisig,
which
in
this
case
is
mostly
in
its
current
initiation,
is
just
the
ability
to
sort
of
like
rotate
members
on
that
multisig
and
clawback
funds,
sort
of
as
like
an
initial,
you
know,
v1
of
pods
as
it
stands.
I
Orca
protocol
as
a
protocol,
is
it
like
a
smart
contract?
That's
trustless,
and
it
is
it
like
all
open
source
like
how
dependent
on
you
as
a
company.
Are
your
users
like
you,
you
probably
want
to
monetize
it
and
you're
charging
a
fee,
so
is
it
like
a
web
3
product
or
a
web
2
product
like
what?
If
what
happens
when
you
go
out
of
business
like
or
something
happens
with
the
front
end.
F
Yeah,
so
it
is,
it
is
a
web
3
I
mean
it
is
like
we
have
trustless
permissionless
smart
contracts.
F
F
We
do
have
an
sdk
which
is
open
source.
We
do
have
a
front
end
which
we
we
host
but
is
not
required
in
order
to
actually
use
worker
protocol
just
makes
obviously
just
makes
it
a
bit
easier
to
to
handle.
But
to
that
extent,
like
our
our
users
are
not
dependent
on
on
us
to
manage
the
protocol
or
manage
the
product
the
only
right
now,
the
only
sort
of
like
permission
that
is
required
is
because
we're
in
private
beta.
F
You
need
a
specific
token
right,
like
an
erc20
token,
which
gives
you
access
to
the
smart
contracts.
But
as
soon
as
we
launch
fully
that
permission
goes
away
and
anyone
that
wants
to
interact
with
smart
contracts
and
our
sdk
can.
F
A
Yeah,
okay,
you
can
clap
yeah,
so
maybe
I
don't
know
if
you
know
how
dxdow
sort
of
like
operates
but
we're
we're.
Not
the
standard
of
kind
of
you
know
a
snapshot,
token
voting
and
a
multisig
that
executes
that
we
like
for
intensive
purposes
it's
similar
to
like
bravo,
and
we
have
a
fully
on
chain
governance
system.
That's
using
its
rather
reputation,
which
is
non-transferable,
voting
power
and
not
tokens.
A
We
do
have
plans
to
like
transition
to
essentially
like
like
different
voting
formula
and
like
a
different
fractalization.
If
I
can
call
it
like
methods
with
inside
sort
of
like
the
exo
for
guilds
and
then
and
then
yeah,
we
obviously
some
of
our
teams.
We
have
like
a
sort
of
like
a
marketing
multi-sig
and
a
business
multi-sig.
You
know
you
know
a
dev,
multi-stick
and
stuff
like
that,
so
I'm
I'm
trying
to
figure
out
like
how
will
this
be
able
to
like
how
we
will
be
able
to
use
this?
A
And
you
know
a
few
things
come
in
mind
like
from
what
you
said,
and
I
think,
like
a
bunch
of
other
people
here-
have
also
have
ideas,
so
yeah
yeah.
If
anyone
else
wants
to
jump
in
but
yeah.
F
So
that's
typically
the
first
exercise
that
we
end
up
going
through,
which
is
like
asking
you
know
all
the
dows
that
we
are
potentially
partnering
with
like
what
does
your
organizational
model?
Look
like
right.
F
If
you
were
to
map
out
your
organization's
design,
you
know
into
you
know,
voting
blocks,
working
groups,
committees,
councils,
just
whatever
terminology
kind
of
makes
sense
like
what
does
that
look
like
right,
because
from
there
it
becomes
relatively
simple
to
map
that
onto
a
pod
structure,
and
so,
like,
I
think,
of
all
the
people
that
I've
talked
with
like
dxdow
is
the
one
that
I'm
least
familiar
with,
and
so
I
tried
to
do
a
little
bit
of
like
research
ahead
of
time,
but
I
couldn't,
I
didn't,
really
find
any
anything
to
sort
of
like
elucidate
that
point.
J
J
Nice
yeah
because
I
mean
structurally
like
there's
like
the
main
dow.
It's
originally
like
a
dow
stack
framework.
Then
you
know
multi
syncs
are
getting
used
kind
of
on
a
small
like
per
squad
basis,
and
it's
usually
just
like
the
contributors
in
that
squad,
which
usually
have
some
voting
power
in
the
dow.
So
it
like
there's
a
model
there
where,
like
they're
they're,
maybe
like
trustworthy,
but
it's
not
directly
controlled
by
the
doubt
other
than
like.
J
You
know,
funds
are
kind
of
metered
out
to
the
both
these
things
like
a
little
bit
at
a
time.
So
it
could
be
interesting
to
have
like
direct
governance
control
over
multisigs
and
kind
of
formalize.
J
These
multiple
things
as
like
sub
groups
within
the
dow
but
yeah
other
than
that,
like
products
wise
like
we're
moving
in,
we
actually
have
a
lot
of
governance.
We
have
a
whole
governance
team
and
a
lot
of
like
stuff
actually
being
developed
at
txtow
itself
on
the
governance
framework
said.
F
Yeah,
I
think
you
know
when
it
comes
to
governance
frameworks
like
that's
something
that
we're
pretty
compatible
with,
and
that's
not
the
sort
of
domain
that
we're
trying
to
expand
into
we're
more
focused
on
creating
like
a
sub
down
implementation
that
reflects
like
on-chain
relationships
between
sort
of
the
principle
and
the
agent
right,
so
working
groups,
multi-cigs
and
whatever
power
or
like
whatever
legitimacy.
Those
working
groups
gain
by
a
broader
agent,
so
kind
of
thinking
about
the
multisigs.
You
have
in
place
right.
F
I
heard
like
marketing
biz
dev,
you
know
it
seems,
like
you,
basically
have
these
departments
or
functional
teams.
I
guess
my
question
is,
like
you
know:
do
those
teams,
obviously
they
receive
I'm
assuming
they
sort
of
receive
funding
from
the
the
broader
dow
treasury,
correct.
J
F
J
F
Yeah,
you
could
think
of
it
like
that.
Right,
okay-
and
I
guess
like
do,
how
do
members
of
these
different
teams
get
selected?
Is
it
sort
of
like?
F
Gotcha
and
then
I'm
assuming
that
your
reputation-based
members
are
the
ones
that
are
voting
using
this
governor
contract.
I
know
it's
not
governor,
but
yeah.
F
Government
system
sure,
let's
just
call
it
that
so
when,
when
a
when
a
team
makes
a
proposal
to
fund
their
their
group,
it's
like
all
of
the
sort
of
reputation
or
people
with
reputation
that
are
voting
to
either
approve
or
deny
that
that
proposal
correct
yeah,
that's
right!
Okay,.
F
J
I
think
maybe
the
piece
you
might
not
be
familiar
with
have
you
have
you
heard
of
holographic
consensus?
I've
heard
of
it?
Yes,
yeah
because
I
mean
the
way
dxdow,
basically
scales
decision
making
is
via
holographic
consensus,
and
I
mean
it
basically
is
a
staking
game
which
filters
proposal
so
that
you
know
you
can
actually
pass
things
with
limited
attention.
A
Gotcha,
yeah
and
keenan-
you
maybe
want
to
share
more.
I
don't
think
so.
I
guess
canon
is
leading
the
dx
voice,
team
or
sort
of
like
what
you
call
marketing.
I
think
it's
kind
of
like
the
most
developed
multi-sig
that
sort
of
like
executes
the
most
independently
right.
A
B
That's
correct
has
not
happened
yet
we
have
talked
about
it
before,
but
for
the
time
being,
dx
voice
kind
of
gets
authorized
by
the
dao,
obviously
through
the
methods
that
john
mentioned
and
we
kind
of
operate
unilaterally.
F
Okay
make
sense,
so
I
don't
want
to
spend
too
much
time
on
this
because
it
seems
like
you
guys,
have
a
pretty
stacked
agenda.
I
mean
I
could
keep
talking
about
this,
of
course,
but
just
based
on
where
it
currently
stands.
What
I'm
thinking
is.
It
would
be
good
to
basically
map
out
dx,
dao's
kind
of
like
organizational
architecture
into
into
pods,
and
that
way
you'll
be
able
to
see
the
types
of
relationships
and
powers
that
you
know
these
principal
agent
relationships
could
could
hold
over
one
another.
F
So
we
basically
have
this
visual
tool
that
we've
built
out
in
figma
called
like
a
poddarky,
which
is
basically
just
this.
Like
visual
representation
of
you
know
organizational
design
through
pods.
So
perhaps
one
thing
that
we
could
do
is
you
know
I
can
maybe
have
a
follow-up
call
in
more
detail
to
understand
how
how
dxdow
is
like
sort
of
organized
and
then
we
can
start
the
process
of
mapping
that
into
pods
and
from
there.
I
think,
you'll
or
dxo
would
get
a
better
view
or
better
visual
of
how
the
relationship.
J
I
would
just
say
I
don't
know
if
you're
for
so
it
sounds.
Like
you
don't
know
much
about
textile
but
like
it's
been
around
for
we've
been
live
with
governance
unchained
since
2019
it
was
built
on
the
dow
stack
framework,
originally
right
so
like
we're
not
starting
from
scratch
here,
but
I
do
think
there's
an
opportunity
to
maybe
leverage
the
permissions
layer
that
you're
building
to
manage
multi-sigs
in
a
better
way
for
dx
dell.
F
Right,
yeah
yeah!
No,
I
I
know
that
you
guys
have
been
around
for
a
while
and,
like
you
guys,
are
pretty
advanced
when
it
comes
to
sort
of
on
chain
governance.
F
Yeah
yeah
we
have
a
public
github
awesome.
I
can
check
that
out
yeah.
I
can
send
you
a
link
to
that
as
well.
Okay.
So
what
I'm
hearing
is
that
you
guys
are
more
interested
in
perhaps
porting
over
existing
multi-sigs
into
pods,
so
that
you
can
take
advantage
of
the
permissions
layer,
which
is
basically
the
ability
to
manage
membership
of
those
pods
or
sorry
of
those
multi-cigs.
You
know
beyond
the
control
of
the
multisig
itself,.
J
So
are
the
mods
like
a
replacement
for
both
these
things
or
are
they
actually
multi
doses,
safe
autistics?
They.
F
They
are,
there
are
no
system
multisigs,
it's
just
that.
There's
a
permissions
layer
around
it,
and
by
that
I
mean
the
ability
to
represent
membership
on
those
on
that
multisig
using
nfts,
which
can
be
burned
or
minted
through
a
couple
different
ways
which
is
like
one.
You
could
that
multisig
can
vote
to
add
another
another
seat
on
the
multisig
and
therefore
minting
a
new
nft
same
with
burning
or
if
you
want
to
have
you
know
some
additional
control
outside
of
the
multisig,
then
you
can.
F
You
can
have
an
admin
key
that
can
have
the
same
powers
and
that
admin
key
can
be
delegated
to
an
individual
to
a
broader
group,
to
a
smart
contract
like
a
governance
system.
So
it
is
like
quite
sort
of
composable
with
how
you
want
those
powers
to
work
with
that
multisig.
J
Awesome
and
have
you
worked
with
like
mike,
so
you
supporting?
Is
that
like
do
you
have
to
set
up
a
new
multisig,
or
can
we
like
plug
in
an
existing
multi
into
the
pod
system?.
F
Yeah,
so
maybe
do
you
guys
work
primarily
on
like
discord
or
or
telegram?
I
can
set
up
a
group
with
some
of
you
guys
and
myself
and
and
some
other
people
on
our
end,
just
to
sort
of
keep
this
conversation
going.
So
I
think
we.
A
Actually
have
I
I
just
looked
when
I
looked
through
your
name:
there
is
a
dxdow
orca
protocol
group
with
john
and
julia,
so
I
guess
we
could
just
like
use
that
one.
F
Okay,
yeah
cool
yeah
I'll
have
I'll
have
people
just
add
me
to.
A
A
A
Yeah
last
time
we
talked
was
almost
a
year
ago.
It's
pretty
cool
time
flies.
F
Great
well,
you
know,
I
think,
that's
kind
of
a
basic
overview
for
pods
and
for
orca
protocol,
just
kind
of
like
open
up
a
line
of
communication,
see
if
there's
sort
of
interest
on
your
side
to
use
to
use
pods
and
so
to
me.
The
next
step
is.
A
A
Yeah
anyone
else
once
has
any
comments.
Any
questions.
I
think
a
few
people
like
unmuted
during
the
conversation
here.
K
Oh
yeah
I'll,
I
have
some,
but
I
wish
I'm
gonna
ask
him
in
the
follow-up
conversations
I
I
have
some,
like
other
questions
related
to
how
you
could
use
this
in
a
valuable
way,
but
it
might
not
be.
It
might
be
too
deep
for
this.
So
I'll
follow
up
with
you
thanks.
A
Yeah
all
right
awesome,
so
thanks
frogmonkey
thanks
for
the
time
and
we'll
continue
the
discussions
in
the
telegram
chat,
thanks
for
having
me
for
sure
up.
Next
we
have
the
excuve
product
suite
and
road
to
gov
2.0.
I
don't
know
if
the
gov
team
is
here
but
yeah.
A
Yeah
all
right
and
then
so
we
have
like,
under
the
ex
events
we
have
ecc
coming
up.
They
won't
get
a
ticket.
B
There
was
a
couple
early
bird
opportunities.
I
think
they
were
really
botted,
so
I'm
not
sure
how
many
real
people
got
them
and
they
were
talking
about
how
they
were.
You
know,
invalidating
a
whole
bunch
of
tickets
in
that
first
round.
A
Yeah,
oh
also
nathan,
yeah.
So
do
we
have
any
plans
for
ecc
as
it
stands,.
D
D
People
are
interested
in
doing
that
and
then
obviously
anybody
who
does
do
it
will
be
automatically
reimbursed
by
dig
style.
It's
like
anybody.
D
Dave
spank
was
blocked
his
is
anybody
interested
in
in
doing
that
and
we'll
reimburse
them.
D
A
D
Okay,
cool
dave
prefers
to
work
his
own.
That's
fine,
okay,
so
john
you'll
try
and
do
a
group
sale
and
does
anybody
else
feel
comfortable
doing
it
and
we'll
reimburse
you.
A
A
D
B
A
K
All
right,
cool,
yeah
and
then
also
for
ecc.
So
it's
I
guess
it's
a
little
hard
to
plan
and
and
devise
a
strategy
until
you
know
you
know,
people
have
tickets,
but
this
seems
to
be
happening
more
and
more,
but
determining
you
know
what
kind
of
dicks
doubts
dx
our
strategy
is.
If,
if
maybe
we
should
have
a
happy
hour
or
if
we
could
try
another
carrot,
some
type
of
carrot
campaign,
you
know
I
any
ideas
for
that
or
you
know
variations
of
what
we
did
or
new
ideas.
K
If
you
have
any
ideas,
yeah,
please
propose
them
in
the
in
the
in
the
chat,
and
so
we
can
start
to
think
about
some
unique.
You
know
dx
dao
thing
that
we
can
do
in
paris
and
we
don't
do
it
last
minute,
like
obviously
it's
may
now,
but
these
things
approach
quickly
and
if
we
did
something
with
carrot,
we
want
to
do
this
pretty
far.
A
A
So
like
just
for
as
an
example
like
who
would
who
would
be
interesting
for
that,
like
is
the
companies
that
work
with
like
like
tenderly,
I
believe,
like
they're,
probably
gonna,
be
hosting
an
event.
K
Pretty
sure
we
have
a
channel,
the
other
thing
is
that
obviously
ecc,
which
I
believe
is
two
days
maybe
three
days
you
know,
is
that
main
event.
As
we
know
there
will
be
all
these
other
events
that
pop
up
around
it
and
yeah
keep
an
eye
out
on
where
the
opportunities
are
for
dx,
dower
or
a
contributor
from
dxdow
to
participate
and
potentially
speak
or
present
or
be
a
part
of
those
activities.
K
You
know,
spread
awareness
of
dx,
dow
and
his
products
and
things,
and
so
like
last
year,
at
ecc,
yeah
elon
gave
a
presentation
which
was
great,
and
so,
if
there's
more
opportunities
within
ecc
and
then
nathan
asked
also
yeah,
we
did
the
evc
track
last
year
last
year
it
was
it
was
interesting,
it
wasn't
as
yeah.
It
didn't
lead
to
much
in
the
space.
There
were
a
bunch
of
kind
of
projects
that
pitched
almost
like
a
demo
day.
It
was
interesting
to
be
a
part
of,
but
it
didn't
lead
to.
K
It
wasn't
very
dow
dow
product
focused
that
was
part
of
the
problem
is
the
things
that
were
being
presented
could
be
a
whole
different,
all
different
random
ideas
and
a
lot
of
those
are
not
relevant
to
something
like
the
a
style.
K
So
if
there
was
one
that
was
like
really
focused
on
dao's,
and
maybe
maybe
they
will
be
more
focused
on
dallas,
because
everyone's
talking
about
dallas
these
days,
it
could
be
interesting.
So
it's
another
thing
to
explore.
If
we
wanted
to
participate
in
that
again
and
have
a
representative
but
yeah,
I'm
sure
there'll
be
other,
I
don't
think
there's
going
to
be
a
taoist,
but
there
could
be
other
dow
focused
events
that
happen
in
paris,
and
we
should
keep
an
eye
out
for
those.
A
Yes,
yeah,
okay,
anything
else
about
ucc.
A
I
guess
you
should
be
on
the
lookout
for
like
our
partner
sort
of
yeah
companies
that
we
could
maybe
host
an
event
with,
because
I
think
it's
it's
it's
great,
because
it
like
takes
the
load
off
of
like
some
of
the
people
here,
yeah
and
then
yeah.
J
Yeah,
I
was
just
gonna
say
on
the
event
organizing
it's
almost
like,
we
would
need
like
a
full-time
events,
planner
person
for
this
kind
of
thing,
because
we're
like
fresh
off
of
dev
connect.
We
also
have
to
worry
about
like
devcon
and
yeah,
and
we
also
none
of
us
are
like
really
like
dedicated
to
events
and
have
our
regular
responsibilities.
So
it's
like
yeah
there's
a
lot.
I
think
there's
a
lot
to
that
stuff
and
it's
almost
like
you'd
need
somebody
full-time
to
focus
on
it.
A
K
Yeah,
usually
those
things
I
would
say
in
average
they
they
have
big
budgets
like
if
yeah
dx,
dow
is
going
to
organize
its
own
event.
It
depends
if
you're
not
like
one
whole
day
or
something
are
you
talking
about
a
party.
A
Yeah
I
mean
what
she
does
usually
is
like
you
know
she
organizes
the
party
and
then
you
know
there
are
a
bunch
of
like
sponsors,
gotcha
yeah.
I
mean
it's
more
on
the
party
side,
which
I
think
is
I
mean
it's
it's
a
nice
event,
but
I
I
like
the
happy
hour
more
where
people
could
actually
talk
and
not
scream
over
each
other,
so
yeah,
I
don't
know
I
could
chat
with
her
and
see
what
she's
up
to
so
yeah.
That's
that.
A
Yeah,
I
guess
so.
The
next
office
we
have
is
dx
hack
and
I
guess
you
know-
that's
gone
bogota.
I'm
probably
not
gonna
make
it
but
yeah.
If
anyone
else
wants
to
talk
about
this.
K
Yeah,
okay,
so
just
give
it
a
high
level,
there's
a
lot
of
moving
parts:
nathan's
referring
to
yeah
an
unchained
proposal
to
pay
to
pay
some
money
for
lateral
to
continue
to
explore
the
dx
hackathon,
which
could
happen
that
early
weekend
in
boat
during
defcon
and
then
also
a
dx,
dow
retreat
and
whether
those
things
should
be
together
as
part
of
the
same
proposal.
Maybe
those
should
be
separated,
but
this
is
to
explore
both
of
those
ideas
further
not
to
actually
do
them.
K
We
realized
you're
talking
like
there's
a
lot
of
exploration
that
needs
to
be
done
because
there's
yeah
these
things
can
be
very
big.
They
can
be
small.
We
have
to
gauge
interest.
We
have
to
know
whether
it's
possible
and
venues
and
things
like
that.
So
it's
an
interesting
idea
and
it
needs
in
in
this
proposal.
Should
we
yeah?
Should
this
be
explored
further
and
there's
a
cost
to
that,
and
so
please
vote
on
that
proposal
separately.
K
This
thing's
going
to
come
very
quickly
as
well,
but
lodging
and
being
in
bogota
and
there's
all
these
moving
parts
around
and-
and
we
don't
even
know
about
tickets
for
devcon.
Yet
that's
going
to
be
like
a
a
whole
nother
thing,
but
we
yeah.
We
there's
a
chat.
There's
now
a
key
base
specifically
focused
on
on
devcon
and
we've
been
chatting
about
options
for
where
people
can
stay
down
there
and
there's
there's
a
couple.
K
That's
right
next
to
the
devcon
venue,
and
that
seems
important,
and
if
one
way
to
do
that
is
just
everyone
to
like
do
that
on
their
own.
We
can
share
that
hotel.
We
can,
you
know,
have
everyone
secure
their
own
rooms
and
get
the
like
the
the
refundable
fee,
which
you
pay
up
a
little
bit,
but
you'll
have
the
option
to
adjust
the
dates
to
cancel
the
booking
to
potentially
switch
the
person
on
the
booking
if
needed.
But
everyone
should
start
to
at
least
think
about
that.
K
The
lodging
options
during
that
event
there's
the
main
defcon
dates
and
then
there's
defcon
week,
which
is
a
longer
period
and
there's
potentially
the
hackathon
before
that
and
the
potentially
retreat
after
that,
but
that
retreat
might
not
be
in
bogota
itself.
K
So
if
you
think
you're
going
to
come
if
you're
interested
in
devcon,
please
join
the
that
key
base
channel
where
these
this
discussion
is
happening
and
then
maybe
take
some
action
to
at
least
look
into
your
flights
or
potential
flights
and
potential
lodging
options
so
that
you
have
something
secured
for
when
this
thing
comes
up
and
if
you
have
any
questions
like
yeah,
melanie
or
myself
or
john,
probably
feel
free
to
reach
out.
But
it's
something
that
you
should
start
thinking
about
already,
because
it's
yeah
there's
a
there's.
K
An
unknown
down
there,
because
it's
you
know
down
in
columbia
and
and
the
venues
in
a
specific
place.
The
venue
is
amazing.
It
sounds
like
that's
why
they
picked
this
place,
because
the
venue
is
like
this
amazing
brand
new
high-tech
venue,
but
it's
not
in
like
the
regular
middle
neighborhood,
it's
more
like.
Maybe
the
student
area
or
something.
K
What
channel
on
key
base
there's
a
boat
there's
a
devcon
channel,
so
I
think
I
think
one
of
the
owners
of
the
channel
has
to
add
you.
So
I
can
add
you
adam,
but
if
anyone
else
wants
to
know
just
ask
him
in
another
channel
to
be
added-
and
someone
will
add
you,
I
don't
know
if
melanie
or
someone
else,
if
you
had
anything
else
to
add.
D
Yeah
and
so
just
adding
on
to
that,
it's
going
to
be
in
bogota
colombia,
just
the
dates
of
devcon
specifically
is
like
october
or
devcon.
Week
is
october
11th
through
the
16th.
So,
like
skye
was
saying
we
would
do
like
the
hackathon
beforehand
and
the
retreat
after
it
definitely
would
require
a
lot
of
planning.
So
if
you're
interested
just
just
reach
out,
I
know
that
you
know
booking
hotels
and
flights.
It's
you
know
it
comes
at
a
cost.
D
So
you
know
we
don't
mind,
you
know
giving
contributors,
you
know
reimbursing
them
ahead
of
time,
if
you
guys
don't
want
to
cover
the
cost
up
front.
But
this
is
a
conversation
we
can
have,
but
let's
start
diving
deeper
into
the
details
of
this
as
soon
as
possible,
because
october
is
going
to
come
up
quickly.
D
As
you
already
know,
east
cc's
in
two
months,
and
then,
if
there
are
any
other
conferences
we
want
to
participate,
and
I
think
that
we
need
to
just
get
moving
quickly
on
it,
but
reach
out
to
myself
or
sky
or
john.
If
you're
interested,
it
would
be
great
to
have
like
a
huge
participation
at
devcon.
K
Is
do
you
guys
know
is
devcon
like
from
past
ones
an
opportunity
for
like?
Is
there
a
opportunity
for
dxdow
to
sponsor
it,
and
what
does
that
mean
like
to
sponsor
devcon?
Does
it
mean
you
get
to
talk?
Does
it
mean
you
just
get
your
name
there
or
exactly.
D
D
Yeah,
so
I've
actually
reached
out
already
to
joseph
schweitzer.
He
like
does
comms
at
devcon,
and
I've
already
asked
him
about
potentially
sponsoring
devcon.
I
I
reached
out
to
him
last
week
and
he
said
that
there's
a
long
list
but
he's
gonna,
send
me
some
communications
around
it.
He
didn't
release
any
like
other
specific
details,
but
I
think
that
we
should
also
apply
to
be
speakers.
L
D
But
yeah,
I
don't
think
they've
released
a
lot
of
construct
around
it
yet
so,
but
I've
already
expressed
interest
to
them
for
us
sponsoring.
D
I
do
suspect
it'll
be.
The
sponsorship
will
be
a
lot
of
money,
though,
because
I'm
sure
a
lot
of
projects
are
going
to
want
to
sponsor.
L
K
Yeah
part
of
that
is
like
use
money
that
you
know
could
potentially
be
sponsorship
of
devcon
and
instead
organize
a
dx,
dow
focused
two
or
three
day
event
for
a
you
know,
part
of
that
cost
plus
some
more
cost,
but
it
would
be
a
lot
more
specific
focus
for
dx
dow,
rather
than
just
being
one
of
the
sponsors
of
of
defcon.
A
A
Yeah,
so
I
guess
we
have
a
few
more
minutes.
Do
you
want
to
talk
about
nimi?
I
said
like
this
is
like
under
the
adventures
opportunities.
I
wasn't
personally
following
on.
What's
happening,
I
wasn't
available
late
last
week,
but
yeah.
I
don't
know
if
anyone
wants
to
shed
more
light
here.
Maybe
the
mimi
team.
J
Yeah,
so
I
like
update
on
what
what's
going
on
with
mimi,
I
think
it's
you
know
like
adam
milan
is
that
I
dave
like
working
kind
of
on
the
side.
That's
weekends,
a
little
part-time
to
get
like
a
slightly
improved
version
out,
which
will
be
something
like
a
decentralized
link
tree
and
then
there's
also
like
some.
J
You
know
a
couple
vcs
like
reached
out
like
we
actually
talked
to
dragonfly,
like
not
their
senior
partners,
but
they
were
like
the
junior
partners
and
a
couple
others
that
had
reached
out
so
there's
some
thinking
about
like
grazing,
like
from,
I
guess,
like
the
best,
would
be
like
strategic
partners.
So
it
might
be
interesting
to
think
about,
like
what
dxdow
be
interested
in
like
putting
some
money
in
like
now
could
be
a
good
way
to
like
start.
It
off
could
open
that
discussion
if
people
are
interested.
I
Yeah
well,
when
I
added
it
to
the
agenda
that
was
actually
what
I
I
was
leaning
to.
You
know
dx
ventures.
We
don't
want
to
be
left
out.
We
love
neemy,
so
dx
dao
has
to
support
it
and
in
any
way
possible
whether
that's
financial
backing
or.
J
Yeah
I
mean
in
a
way,
like
geek
style,
obviously
has
already
supported,
mimi
like
in
that
it's
all,
like
so
far
been
built
by
the
external
contributors
and
yeah
so
like.
I
think
we
still
have
to
like
figure
out
like
what
how
to
structure
it
like
what's
the
valuation
that
sort
of
thing
right,
but
I
think
we
should
start
exploring
that
as
soon
as
we
can.
A
I
guess
we
talked
about
this
last
time,
but
what
about
doing
something
like
like
diagnosis,
spin
out
things
and
then
obviously
like
the
adventurers,
would
be
participating
in
the
investment?
Maybe
there
was
like
an
extra
token
allocation
to
the
geeks
dow.
I
don't
know
like
it's
kind
of
like
your
decision
and
yeah.
The
spin
up
process
will
include
raising
from
like
external
funds,
whatever
contributors,
maybe
you
know
trying
to
get
even
an
investment
from
ens.
I
think
that
could
be
very
interesting
or
a
grant
from
ens
for
that
matter.
Yeah.
J
K
Yeah,
I
think,
like
yeah,
spinning
out,
I
mean
you
need
a
product
first,
like
the
one.
Those
spin
outs
like
swapper,
cow,
swap
and
and
safe
are
like
products
that
have
been
developed
by
a
massive
team
for
a
number
of
years.
Right
yeah,
like
new
idea,
is
more
like
incubate.
How
do
you?
How
do
you
incubate
this
idea?
It's
a
brand
new
idea,
there's
no
product,
it's
a
cool,
there's
a
very
little
mvp.
K
K
Those
things
need
to
be
defined
and
and
then
you
can
start
to
think
about
like
do
you
need
to
get
grants
for
it
from
dxdow
and
other
people?
Do
you
need
to
get
investment?
Do
you
need
to
yeah
who's
going
to
work
on?
It
was
the
team
so
there's
all
those
questions
that
would
need
to
be
answered
before
it's
like
would
dx
ventures
want
to
do
something
like
that?
It's
not
even
close
to
that
yet
yeah.
J
A
J
And
so
yeah
I've
also
missed
some
of
what
skye
was
saying
too.
But
but
I
think
maybe
I
was
saying
something
similar
where
it's
it's
like.
The
spin
out
is
like
when
it's
been
built
for
a
while
by
an
entity
like
say
for
cow
swap
sounded
like
maybe
skye
was
saying
that
right,
but.
A
Yeah,
I
I'd
be
interested
to
explore
so
there's
a
question
here
of
okay.
If
we're
raising
money
now
like
it's,
if
if
anime
raises
money
now
yeah,
I
guess
that
could
make
sense.
So,
like
let's
say
you
know,
there's
there's
a
money
raised
from
like
individuals,
vcs
whatever,
and
then
you
know
there's
a
period
where
maybe
the
team,
the
original
team
focuses
on
this.
A
Maybe
there's
like
extra
support
from
the
xdao
and
then
I
don't
know
after
the
next
amount
of
month
months,
then
you
know
there's
the
whole
spin
out
process
and
and
yeah
like
the
token
launch
and
stuff
like
that,
I
don't
know.
I
guess
you
know
there
needs
to
be
like
a
deeper
dive
into
something
like
that,
but
yeah.
I
don't
know
interesting
to
explore.
J
Yeah,
definitely
definitely,
and,
and
that
sort
of
I
guess
depends
like
like:
what's
the
relationship
to
like
outside
capital,
if,
if
that
happens
right
like
does
that
make
sense,
I
actually
think
it
could
be
a
good
idea,
one
because
I
think
like
it,
helps
strategically
to
have
other
backers
right
that
are,
like
you
know,
aligned
with
the
product
and
like
pushing
it
forward,
and
it
helps
with
like
creating
attention
which
helps
with
recruiting.
You
know,
like,
I
think,
there's
a
lot
of
benefits
to
it.
J
I
also
think
that
the
private
markets
right
now,
even
though
the
public
markets
are
sort
of
like
falling
through
the
floor,
the
private
markets
lag
right.
So
all
this
vc
money
is
like
locked
and
loaded,
and
the
valuations
are
pretty
like
big
right
now
now
that
like
doesn't
necessarily
mean
that
you
should
go
and
take
it
right.
J
I
was
actually
talking
with
you
know
like
one
of
the
portfolio
projects
from
dx
ventures
about
this,
like
you
could
go
out
and
potentially
raise
that
like
a
higher
valuation,
but
that's
a
double-edged
sword
right,
because
it
sets
expectations.
A
lot
higher.
Okay,
like
vcs,
need
you
to
exit
like
10
to
30
x
what
they
invest
at
right.
J
That's
just
like
how
the
math
works,
they're
not
interested
in
a
doubling
of
their
money
like
they
will
literally
like
tell
you
to
go
back
to
the
drawing
board
and
like
figure
out
something
else,
if,
like
that's
what
you're
you're
suggesting
to
them.
So
when
you
raise
it
like
higher
evaluations
like
you're,
just
setting
the
sights
that
much
higher
and
like
come,
maybe
limiting
the
the
potential
outcomes
that
could
be
successful
right.
J
So
so
it's
like
a
double-edged
sword,
but
if
there's
something
really
big
that
you
want
to
do,
I
think
it
can
make
a
lot
of
sense
and
yeah
and
I
think
there's
a
lot
of
interest
out
there.
There's
like
a
lot
of
capital
out
there
right
now,
there's
a
lot
of
interest
in
maybe
this
type
of
thing.
So
I
think
it
it
depends,
but
we
should
figure
it
out
with
with
the
adventures
and
stuff
and
try
to
get
something
like
a
framework
that
we
would
want
to
work
with
like
kind
of
laid
out.
A
Yeah,
I
will
say
that,
on
the
sort
of
like
I
call
it
the
level
of
froth
right,
you
know
how,
like
you
know,
vc
is
wanting
to
invest
and
stuff,
like
that.
I
think
you
know
like
paradigm
rates
three
and
a
half
billion
dollars,
and
recent
horowitz
raised
like
three
billion
dollars
and,
like
many
other
friends,
raised
a
lot
of
money
and
like
they
have
to
deploy
that,
like
the
terms
of
of
that
is
usually
like
within
three
to
four
years.
J
J
So
I
mean
they're
they're
big
and
they
go
a
lot
higher
if
you
have
like
experienced
teams
and
like
deals
with
any
kind
of
momentum
and
that
that's
going
to
lag
the
public
markets
right
like
they,
if
the
public
market
just
like,
goes
into
a
bear
market
like
that,
will
take
the
error
out
of
the
the
vc
funding
as
well,
but
it'll
take
like
you
know,
six
months
for
that
to
happen
or
more
but
yeah.
So
I
don't
know
it's
interesting.
J
A
Yeah,
so
I
don't
know
if
there's
like
a
call
plan
specifically
to
talk
about
naming
but
happy
to
join,
that.
A
Yeah,
okay,
so
I
guess
you
can
take
turn
the
recording
off
and
thank
you.