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B
Hi,
everyone
welcome
to
the
january
10
2022
dxbiz
weekly
call.
We've
got
a
handful
of
things
on
the
agenda,
but
we
can
talk
about
whatever
as
well.
B
We
have
a
couple
colin
and-
and
I
want
from
developer
dao,
who
are
going
to
give
a
kind
of
an
overview
for
the
first
15
or
20
minutes
and
then
yeah
learning
about
developer
down
some
of
the
examples.
Other
projects
they've
worked
with
and
how
it
kind
of
works,
how
it
could,
how
it
could
help
dxdow
and
then
maybe
some
open
questions
there.
B
Then
we
have
plans
to
kind
of
dive
a
little
deeper
into
carrot.
There's
a
a
forum
post
just
to
start
discussion
around
some.
What
we've
learned
from
the
the
dx
dao
swapper
carrick
campaigns
and
what
we
can
do
moving
forward
and
maybe
some
come
up
with
some
concrete
things
to
take
for
next
steps
also
related
to
carrot.
B
There
was
we,
you
know
we
should
probably
do
kind
of
a
look
back,
also
at
how
agave
use
usage
of
carrot
and-
and
I
think,
a
couple
things
were
confusing
there
and
and
maybe
went
wrong,
but
how
to
how
to
get
that
fix.
Get
that
in
place
and
move
forward
with
that
as
well,
then
we
can
talk
a
little
bit
about
initiative
dow.
B
We
yeah
dx,
denver
or
dx
events,
kind
of
dx
denver's,
like
the
upcoming
event,
it's
about
a
month
away
now
melanie
just
posted
something
about
kind
of
stipends
for
for
attendees,
contributor,
attendees,
and
then
we
still
have
an
event
that
we're
planning
and
then
some
ideas
around
merch,
because
we're
going
we're
a
sponsor
and
we
have
a
table
and
things.
So
we
need
to
make
sure
we
have
everything.
B
You
know
we're
a
month
ahead,
so
we
want
to
make
sure
we
have
everything
going
in
the
right
direction:
bef
yeah
as
we
approach
that
date
and
then
yeah
the
same
kind
of
three
topics
on
dx
ventures,
which
we
can
talk
about.
The
current
status
of
those
the
the
most
interesting
new
thing
is
is
atlantis.
World
proposal
is
up,
but
there's
also
a
idea
to
use
carrot
as
part
of
it,
which
is
which
is
cool,
so
we
can
kind
of
dive
into
that
as
well.
But
to
start
I
would
we.
B
B
I
don't
know
if
that's
what
you
consider
yourself,
but
there's
lots
of
different
taos
forming
for
so
many
different
things
these
days
and
a
big
believer
of
like
dows
that
can
can
help
different
communities
and
so
kind
of
you
know
you
don't
just
have
to
have
a
developer
down
just
for
your
own
dial.
You
can
have
a
developer
now
that
can
spread
across
lots
of
different
dials,
and
it
also
is
a
great
way
to
spread
knowledge
and
and
information
across
those
communities
as
well.
B
So
if
you
guys
could
kick
give
an
overview
and
then
maybe
we'll
save
some
time
for
questions
at
the
end,
that'd
be
great.
C
Sure,
thanks
guy,
so
so
developer
now
actually
started
as
a
little
experiment
from
nader.
You
might
know
him
from
twitter,
but
then
a
lot
of
developers
just
joined
and
we
we
had
something
on
our
hands.
We
had
to
make
it
so
so
the
mission
of
the
developer
is
to
accelerate
the
education
and
impact
of
a
new
wave
of
f3
builders.
C
So
it's
really
focused
on
developers
like
the
name
suggests.
C
So
one
of
our
two
of
our
biggest
goals
are
to
onboard,
educate
and
support
web3
devs,
while
also
fostering
and
building
web3
tools,
so
the
project,
so
the
dow
has
been
around
for
a
few
months
now
I
guess
around
three
to
four
months.
We
are
currently
in
our
season
zero.
We
have
some
mission
values
and
who's
defined.
C
Like
nathan
discussed
with
me,
we
have
partnership
with
the
get
coin
dive
in
place.
So
yeah
do
you?
Do
you
want
to
give
a
different
perspective?
Maybe
I'm
trying
trying
to
like
give
a
devs
perspective.
Maybe
you
can
give
a
different
perspective.
D
Sure
so
it
sounds
like
some
of
your
team
is
based
in
denver.
Are
you
guys
just
going
to
east
denver.
B
We
no
one
is
based
in
denver,
but
we
have
a
handful
of
contributors
that
will
be
going
to
east
denver
and
we've.
You
know:
we've
been
going
to
a
bunch
of
the
key
ethereum
events
the
last
year
or
so
since.
D
D
Cool,
I
am
based
in
denver,
so
hopefully
I
can
run
into
you
all
at
east
denver.
So
I
am
the
editor
for
the
developer,
dial
newsletter
and
I've
been
managing
some
of
the
partnerships.
D
You
know
groups
that
have
been
interested
in
in
sponsorship
and
I
think
that
what
folks
are
seeing
in
the
organization
is
that
there
are
a
lot
of
people
attracted
to
developer
dao,
who
aren't
just
you
know,
interested
in
learning
web
3
or
you
know,
dipping
their
toes
in
the
water,
but
they're
really
ambitious
builders,
and
so
you
know
the
the
the
dow
is,
as
I
kind
of
alluded
to
focused
on
building
public
goods
for
web3.
D
And
that's
giving
us
a
great
outlet
to
give
people
the
opportunity
to
demonstrate
their
competency
and
we're
also
working
to
develop
some
more
formal
pathways,
for
you
know,
earning
credentials
or
earning
ways
to
for
the
people
can
kind
of
show
that
they've
done
the
work
and
are
able
to
jump
into
blockchain
projects
and
be
really
active
contributors.
D
So
I
think
you
know:
we've
got
protocol
labs,
streamer,
kepler,
radical,
a
lot,
a
lot
of
pretty
big
names
that
have
popped
up
in
the
in
in
web
3
to
partner
with
the
dow,
because
they
see
us
as
a
pipeline
for
not
just
web3
talent,
but
people
who
are
eager
and
ambitious
and
who
are
going
to
be
able
to
help
them
and
advance
the
projects
that
they're
working
on.
So
if
that
is
something
that
dx
dao
is
is
interested
in.
I
think
that
there's
there's
probably
a
good
opportunity
for
partnership.
D
B
Cool,
so
so
so
I
I
haven't,
I
don't
know
too
much
about
it,
but
it
sounds
like
bringing
in
new
people
to
web
3,
whether
that's
web
2
people
into
web
3.
Maybe
younger
people
like
there's
a
mission
to
like
make
this
a
easy
place
for
new
entrants
to
come
into
the
space
and
so
support
when
you
say
supporting
developer
dow.
Is
that
these
larger
projects
who
realize
the
importance
of
that
are
kind
of
giving
grants
or
money
to
developer
dow?
D
Just
about
all
of
that
is
true,
I
mean
there
are,
I
think,
some
cases
that
have
floated
about
where
something
might
be
adopted
as
like
an
official
developer
dao
project
but,
as
I'm
sure
all
of
you
are
pretty
familiar
with
dow
culture,
it
kind
of
tends
to
be
one
of
those
things
where
someone
decides
to
be
the
champion
within
the
dow
and
then
other
people
kind
of
end
up
migrating
over
to
the
cause
over
time
and
as
far
as
like
what
part
partnership
looks
like
yeah.
D
It's
it's
groups
that
are
looking
to
you
know
advertise
trying
to
bring
people
into
their
organization
or
to
use
their
services,
and
grants
is
one
way
that
they're
doing
that,
but
also
sometimes
offering,
like
you
know,
discounts
or
services,
or
you
know,
infrastructure
like
there's
a
there's,
a
number
of
web3
infrastructure
companies
that
have
come
through
and
said:
hey
we're
gonna
make
sure
that
developer
dao
members
have
you
know
some
sort
of
access
to
the
services
that
they're
offering
because
they
want
people
to
be
building
products
on
their
tools.
D
B
Yeah,
well
that
over
idea
that
you're
describing
is
something
that
dxtail
also
believes
in
and
where
we're
you
know,
we
have
resources.
Like
most
house,
we
have
lots
of
resources
and
we're
always
looking
for
new
developers
and
good
developers
and
senior
developers
if,
in
in
general,
I
think,
and-
and
maybe
someone
from
the
dev
side
could
talk
more
specifically
to
this-
but
like
very
new
developers,
it
it's
very
hard
to
for
like
develop
web3
developers
that
come
just
into
the
space
on
day.
B
One
start
like
figuring
out
how
to
contribute
to
dows,
partly
because
most
dows
are
pretty
flat
right
and
there's
not
like
someone.
That's
specifically
assigning
individual
tasks,
now
not
to
say
that
that
doesn't
happen,
but
if
we
can
help
yeah,
if
we
can
help
support
this
cause
and
also
get
dx
dow
and
the
things
that
we
are
working
on
and
the
things
we
need
help
with
into
that
community,
that's
a
win-win
for
both
sides.
I
think
so.
B
These
big,
these
big
projects
that
you
mentioned
like
supporting,
developer
dao,
have
they
actu?
Are
there
speci
like?
Have
they
given
specific
grants
and
things
or
are
they
just
becoming
a
part
in
participating
in
developer
dow
community
for
for
now
like
what
should
what
would
dx
dow?
Well,
you
said
you
yeah,
so
dxo
in
general
is
a
pretty
decentralized
forward.
Decentralization
forward,
dow,
like
most
things,
are
on
chain.
We
have
different.
D
B
We
have
had
to
like
put
a
few
of
our
products
kind
of
on
the
side,
to
focus
on
just
like
three
of
the
six,
mainly
because
we
are
lacking
developer
resources,
and
so
we've
prioritized
the
most
important
ones,
and
so
we
could
bring
on
t
people
to
help
those
teams,
but
then,
as
as
it
grows,
people
could
also
start
to
work
on
the
like.
The
the
you
know,
contribute
to
the
products
that
are
kind
of
on
the
sideline
right
now
as
well.
So
there's
lots
of
room
for
new
contributors
for
sure.
D
Sure
so
I
think
in
the
short
term,
there
are
some
things
like
the
hackathon
that'll
be
leading
into
our
first
virtual
event.
That's
gonna
happen
the
first
week
of
march,
and
so
you
know
sponsoring
the
hackathon
putting
out
a
you
know
like
a
bounty
or
something
like
that
for
one
of
the
hackathon
teams
to
go
after
might
be
a
good
way
to
maybe
get
started
and
dangle
some
low
hanging
fruit
in
front
of
our
our
membership.
D
D
In
our
newsletter,
or
just
in
a
like
we're
putting
together
a
model
for
like
season
sponsorship,
where
you
would
get
you
know,
newsletter
sponsorship
sponsored
tweets
participation
in
the
events
that
kind
of
thing.
That
would
be
a
good
way
to
make
sure
that
your
organization
and
the
projects
that
you're
working
on
are
front
and
center
for
developer
down
members.
D
Yeah
well
so
right
now
there
were
some
7
000
developer,
dial
tokens
that
were
minted,
but
as
far
as
like
active
membership,
I'd
say,
there's
probably
a
few
hundred
people
that
are
really
active
day-to-day
in
the
dow.
But
then
as
like.
As
far
as
like
our
reach,
our
you
know,
the
the
twitter
account
has
tens
of
thousands
of
followers.
D
The
the
newsletter
has
some
preposterous,
like
60,
open
rate,
for
you,
know
3
000
users
on
the
list
and
then
also
gets
the
guess,
distribution
through
the
other
social
media
channels.
So
it's
it's
not
enormous
yet.
But
the
other
thing
to
keep
in
mind
is
that
the
erc20,
the
code
token,
is
dropping,
probably
by
like
end
of
this
month,
beginning
of
next
month
and
that's
when
we're
really
expecting
the
membership
to
grow
pretty
rapidly.
D
Because
up
to
this
point
it's
just
been
a
a
matter
of
kind
of
keeping
things
close
to
the
chest,
while
we're
working
with
the
nft
gated
membership
to
get
season
zero
going
so
yeah.
So
right
now
I
would
say
you
know
you're
probably
tapping
into
you
know,
like
I
said
hundreds
day
to
day,
to
a
few
thousand
on
a
weekly
basis
that
are
really
engaged
and
then
over
the
next
few
weeks,
that's
gonna
grow
quite
a
bit
when
the
erc20
tokens
were
released.
C
Yeah,
adding
to
what
is
what
colin
just
said
like
he
said,
the
twitter
account
has
like
40
000
followers
almost
and
since
the
membership
is
closed
right
now,
literally
under
every
single
tweet
there
are
people
saying
that
they
they
want
to
join
so
desperately.
So
when,
when
the
token
launches
the
yeah
c20
token,
I
believe
the
membership
might
even
double
instantly.
B
Cool,
I
think
so,
if
maybe
some
of
the
devs
within
dxdow
might
have
some
questions,
but
now
that
we
are
aware
of
this,
I
think
some
of
the
devs
might,
you
know,
have
a
chance
to
kind
of
dive
in
or
spend
some
more
time
in
the
developer.
Doubt
community
to
like
yeah,
learn,
see,
see
kind
of
what's
happening
and
then
how
dxdow
could
actually
participate
and
contribute
value
to
it
and
then
and
then
yeah
and
then
also
support
and
maybe
yeah
find
find
resources
out
of
it.
D
Which
yeah
so
to
to
that
end?
What
I
would
recommend
for
now
is,
if
you
have
a
few
people
that
would
that
are
interested
in
you
know
really
diving
in
you
can
always
pick
up
one
of
the
d4r
tokens
off
of
secondary
just
on
openc
or
wherever,
and
that
will
get
you
access
to
the
discord.
D
I
can
also
set
you
up
with
a
partnership
channel
in
our
marketing
and
biz
dev
guild.
So
all
I
would
need
is
for
whoever's
interested
to
join
the
discord
and
that's
you
can
do
that
with
or
without
an
nft.
D
And
then,
if
you
want
to
send
me
your
discord
handle,
then
I
can
give
you
access
to
a
to
that
specific.
You
know
dxdow
partnership,
channel
where
we
can
kind
of
discuss
these
opportunities
on
an
ongoing
basis.
E
Yeah
great
sounds
sounds
interesting
and.
B
D
Right
that
yeah,
so
the
the
the
the
d4r
token
will
get
you
access
to
the
entire
discord.
And
then
you
know,
if
you
know,
someone
from
your
organization
was
interested
in
like
what's
going
on
within
the
guilds
or
that
kind
of
thing
you'll
be
able
to
join
the
guilds
and
go
dive
into
those
conversations
participate
in
town
halls.
D
That
kind
of
thing,
but
with
or
without
that,
we
can
make
sure
that
we
have
a
a
partnership
channel
set
up
for
you
within
the
the
biz
dev
guild
and
and
at
least
that
way
as
things
come
up,
we
have
a
you
know,
a
channel
for
conversation
in
a
place
where
everyone's
hanging
out
during
their
work
day,
anyways
great.
A
Great
hi
nathan
here,
I'm
I'm
sorry
for
being
late.
I
was
held
up
had
another
call
thanks
for
joining
colin
and
david.
Have
you
had
time
to
share
a
bit
more
about
your
partnership
with
bitcoin.
C
C
Now
is
public
goods
and
building
web3
tools
also
for
public
goods,
and
that
kind
of
aligns
really
well
with
what
developer
dao
wants
to
do
in
the
future
is
to
do
lots
of
stuff
for
public
goods
and
educate,
web3
devs,
and
that
the
education
part
really
goes
along
well
with
what
bitcoin
does
as
a
platform.
So
that's
kind
of
the
reason
why
the
partnership
was
so
easy
to.
C
It
was
so
obvious
to
not
be
there.
C
So
it's
basically
going
to
be
like
an
exchange
of
tokens.
I
guess
bitcoin
is
going
to
receive
like
five
percent
of
the
new
dollar
code
tokens
that
we
are
going
to
be
launching
the
erc20
and
in
exchange
for
that
developer,
tao
will
receive
some
amount
of
gdc
from
the
bitcoin.
Now
yeah.
That's
I
guess
that's
basically
it
calling
do
you
want
to
add
anything.
D
Sorry,
I
am
I'm
I'm
just
in
between
things,
I'm
I
heard
most
of
what
you
were
saying
that
well,
I
missed
the
the
last
prompt,
though.
C
Yeah
so
yeah,
I
just
I
just
said
that.
Do
you
have
anything
else
to
add
to
this.
D
C
Yeah,
if
anyone
has
any
questions,
feel
free
to
ask
them
and
I'll
try
to
find
the
link
to
the
proposal
on
that.
A
forum
post
has
a
lot
of
details
about
the
entire
partnership.
B
Cool
that
sounds
awesome.
I
think
we'll
have
let's
set
up
those
those
communication
channels
and
then
some
dxdow
contributors
can
spend
some
more
time
diving
into
it,
and-
and
we
can
come
up
with
some
ideas
and
yeah-
read
about
this
partnership
and
and
see
if
something
like
that
makes
sense.
B
But
super
excited
to
hear
to
hear
about
developer
dao.
I
think
it
could
kind
of
evolve
in
so
many
different
ways
and
obviously
upcoming
token
gets
excitement
as
well
so
cool
to
cool.
To
connect
with
you
guys.
D
Yeah
one
thing
I
would
want
to
add
before
we
wrap
up
is
that
the
conference
coming
up
first
week
of
march
would
be
a
great
way
for
you
all
to
get
familiar
with
our
organization,
but
also
to
share
what
dxo
dxdow
does,
and
you
know
why
it's
exciting,
with
our
membership
that
could
be
as
a
speaker
or
just
as
participants
in
the
conference.
D
It's
a
virtual
conference
happening
on
gather
town,
so
you
know
kind
of
looks
like
walking
around
an
old
school
zelda
game,
and
then
you
can
kind
of
walk
into
voice,
live
voice,
conversations
and
some
other
live
talks,
but
if
you'd
be
interested
in
giving
a
presentation
or
hosting
a
workshop
or
anything
like
that,
I
am
coordinating
those
as
well.
So
if
you
want
to
just
get
that
conversation
started,
then
I'm
happy
to
get
you
guys
involved
with
web3con.
F
B
Great
thanks
guys
you're
welcome
to
stick
around
for
the
rest
of
the
caller
feel
free
to
feel
free
to
hop
appreciate
it
appreciate
you
coming
thanks.
C
D
Great
to
meet
you
looking
forward
to
working
with
you
and
here
on
I'll,
just
drop
my
email
in
the
chat,
because
that
might
be
the
easiest
way
for
folks
to
send
discord
handles
and
that
kind
of
thing,
cool.
B
All
right
so
next
up
on
the
agenda,
I
think
we
can
talk
about
carrot
so
yeah
the
I
just
this
morning
published
the
draft
that
came
up
with
for
kind
of
a
look
at
the
two
campaigns
that
dx
doubt
did
with
carrot
and
tried
to
put
some
data
and
some
observations.
B
There's
lots
of
moving
parts.
So
it's
a
little
tricky
to
always
like
pinpoint
what
is
driving.
What
like
one
interesting
discussion
as
part
of
this
is
you
know,
dxdow
was
incentivizing.
B
You
know
tvl
in
one
specific
pair
on
x-die
right
and
so
that
pair
has
liquidity
on
on
a
few
different
chains
right
it
has
mainnet,
arbitram
and
die,
and
so
what's
interesting
is
we
specifically
chose
to
just
look
at
a
specific
chain,
a
pair
on
a
specific
chain
when
maybe
and
there's
obstacles.
Obviously,
arbitrarum
has
this
seven
day
withdrawal
period,
there's
big
cost
to
moving
tokens
across
these
chains,
arbitram
to
mainnet
to
x
dies
like
extra
expensive.
B
You
know
doing
one
hop
is
already
bad
enough
and
so
there's
a
lot
of
like
obstacles
in
this.
What
like
one
simple
observation
is
that
we
could,
theoretically
for
a
certain
pair,
look
at
that
pair
on
all
three
chains
and
still
incentivize,
like
incentivize,
the
total
tvl
of
that
pair
of
all
three
chains
added
up
together
and
and
still
only
give
out,
the
carrot.
Tokens
on,
for
example,
x,
die,
and
so
instead
of
having
to
bridge
over
tokens,
and
then
people
have
to
bridge
them
back
for
redeeming
them
and
things
we
could
just
yeah.
B
B
The
other
thing
would
be
to
yeah
to
like
do
this
on
a
wider
scale,
so
a
number
of
pairs
together
or
tvl
on
swapper
in,
like
in
total
or
across
all
three
chains
combined
and
so
have
like
a
much
larger
picture
of
incentivization,
rather
than
a
very
focused
specific,
one-off
pair
on
one
chain.
That's
so
that's
like
one
example
of
a
of
an
observation
and
yeah
so
there's
and
then
there's
a
couple,
different
kind
of
data
observations
and
then,
and
then
yeah.
B
So
I
don't
know,
I
yeah
people
probably
didn't
get
a
chance
to
read
the
the
forum
post
just
yet,
but
there
was
a
draft
kind
of
circular
running
circulating
around
in
the
in
the
carrot
channels,
and
so
I
think
it's
important
in
general
for
dx
dow
to
like
do
like
actually
do
a
next
step
right,
and
so
we
we
have
a
little
a
few
things
with
carrot
that
we
need
to
sort
out
in
terms
of
like
how
who's
can
create
campaigns.
B
How
exactly
to
do
it
make
sure
it's
correct
make
sure
that
it's
clear
how
it's
being
used
and
how
they're
being
settled
and
things
like
that,
but
I
think
yeah.
I
think
we
need
to
we.
We
should
have
a
goal
in
the
next
week
or
two
to
actually
come
up
with,
like
the
next
campaigns
that
we
want
to
experiment
with,
given
the
learnings
that
we've
seen
and
we
can
try
some
new
crazy
things
or
we
can
try
like
an
air
drop
of
carrot
tokens
to
a
community
but
yeah
we
should.
B
We
need
to
make
sure
that
we
can.
We
can
actually
use
carrot
the
way
that
it's
meant
to
be
used
before
we
can
start
making
it
more
widespread.
I
think-
and
so
that's
kind
of
the
summary
of
the
post.
If
anyone
has
any
other
kind
of
new
ideas
or
observations
that
they'd
like
to
bring
up
would
be,
would
be
a
good
time.
F
F
You
know,
we've
probably
succeeded
already
in
kind
of
protecting
the
downside
for
the
project,
but
if
the
campaigns
don't
like
what
the
project
really
wants
is
to
achieve
the
goals
right,
and
so
I
think,
there's
a
little
bit
of
concern
in
my
mind
that,
because
it
takes
kind
of
widespread
involvement
in
order
to
reach
goals
that
at
the
individual
level,
people
are
getting
discouraged
or
aren't
willing
to
take
that
leap
into
a
campaign
on
their
own
when
it's
uncertain
whether
the
current
campaign
will
meet
its
goals,
and
so
we
were
talking
a
bit
about
how
there
might
be
some
opportunity
on
that
end
to
further
coordination
around
carrot
campaigns,
like
maybe
there's
actually
a
missing
piece
there
and
I
think
skye
was
talking
about
potentially
using
daos.
F
He
brought
up
how
dao
house
has
these
lp
daos
that
kind
of
do
something
along
those
lines
already,
and
I
was
thinking
from
a
little
bit
different
angle
about
how
we
could
maybe
leverage
at
least
for
the
ones
that
are
using
swapper
diy
farming
leverage.
Some
of
the
features
there
like
the
capped
campaigns
or
the
captain
locked
campaigns
or
maybe
even
adding
another
tweak
to
the
capped,
lots
campaigns.
Where,
with
locked
campaigns,
you
could
have
a
lower
threshold
that
needs
to
be
met
before
they
actually
get
locked.
F
So
it's
a
little
easier
to
take
that
first
step
so
like
basically,
to
summarize
like
talking
about
ways
to
set
up
incentives
so
that
individuals
are
willing
to
dip
their
toe
in
even
before
the
kind
of
larger
coordination
gathers
steam
or
to
coordinate
a
bunch
of
individuals
like
through
a
dao
or
or
some
organization.
B
I
think
that
the
yeah
this
is
the
tragedy
of
the
commons.
I
think
that
that
is
always
an
additional
like
positive
coordination
mechanism,
I'm
wondering
if
we
can.
That
seems
like
something
that
we
should
also
explore,
but
is
it
worth?
Do
you
think
it's
worth
trying?
Some?
I
mean.
We've
only
done
two
campaigns
right.
We
did
a
price
one
which
we
realized
like
didn't,
really
work
that
well
in
a
falling
price
environment,
and
then
we
did
a
tvl
which
paid
out
something
in
a
range
and
so
right
away.
B
I'm
like
okay,
a
range
is
at
least
better
than
a
binary.
Carrot
is
my
opinion
right
and
price
targeting
a
price
of
something
in
in
an
environment
where
you
know
the
market
moves
where
it
wants
to
and
if
eath
goes
down
like
the
price
of
all
tokens,
also
go
down
a
commute
like
unless
you've
got
an
entire
community
together
like
using
a
dow
or
something
to
drive
a
price,
then
I
agree
that
price
is
not
a
great
thing
to
focus
on.
B
Tvl
seems
more
interesting,
and
so
we
can
either,
but
there's
a
lot
of
work
like
it
would
be
awesome
if
we
could
use
dx
vote
for
for
coordinating
a
community
to
to
to
achieve
a
goal
around
carrot
tokens,
but
I
think
that
that's
going
to
be
a
whole
bunch
of
extra
work
to
to
like
do
that.
Should
we
try
to
move
forward
with
some
like
immediate
carrot,
campaigns
with
a
slightly
different
structure,
or
it's
a
lot
more
widespread,
rather
than
one
specific
pair
on
one
chain
do?
Is
it
do?
F
Absolutely
like,
I
was
just
trying
to
add,
like
kind
of
additional
food
for
thought,
to
what
you
were
saying
completely
agree
with
everything
you
had
said
before
and
think
we
should
definitely
keep
moving
and
keep
experimenting
with
the
tools
that
we
have
today,
like
one
of
the
things
we
could
do
in
a
next
dog
fooding
campaign
is
to
combine
carrots
with
you
know,
a
locks
campaign
or
captain
lock
campaign
to
try
to
create
a
little
bit
or
play
around
with
some
of
those
other
mechanisms
right.
F
B
Yeah
and
ross
is
mentioning
spinning
up
a
build
for
something
like
that.
Coordination
makes
a
lot
of
sense
for
those
participants.
B
It
would
be
awesome
if
it's
like,
if
that
was
all
kind
of
like
interconnected
into
the
carrot
like
ecosystem,
but
it
could.
It
can
operate
separately,
but
I
don't
know
if
we're
ready
for
that
type
of
guild
just
yet,
but
totally.
E
Yeah,
we're
not
ready
right
now,
but
it's
something
we
can
explore
soon.
B
Cool
yeah,
and
so
then
maybe
oh
yeah
go
go
ahead.
Powers
well.
G
Up
sky,
it's
good
to
kind
of
talk
about
and
put
that
in
the
forum.
I
think
it's
really
cool
that
the
one
campaign
did
pay
out
and
kind
of
paid
out.
I
guess
I
don't
know
if
it's
at
a
conditional
rate,
but
like
at,
like
31
of
that,
so
that's
kind
of
a
cool
thing
that
that
did
happen.
G
In
addition
to
thinking
about
what
type
of
products
we
can
offer
like,
what
types
of
like
conditions
that
carrots
campaigns
will
actually
be
based
on,
I
think
we
can
also
think
about
the
like
distribution
strategy
of
that.
So
right
now
we're
really
doing
farming
of
carrot
tokens,
but
I
wonder
if
it
would
make
like
we
could
ever
think
about
doing
like
an
air
drop
of
a
carrot
token
to
specific
addresses.
G
So
that
would
be
more
of
like
a
targeted
campaign
almost
like
the
vampire
attack
style
way,
but
that
that
could
be
a
way
of
motivating
people.
To
do
something
specific.
I
was
actually
even
thinking
originally
came
out
because
I
was
thinking
it
would
even
make
sense
to
if
we
were
thinking
about
dxd
liquidity
and
how
much
is
on
arbor
drum
like
if
we
gave
a
carrot
campaign
to
dxd
west
lps
on
arbetron
that
paid
out.
G
If
there
was
a
certain
tbl
on
mainnet,
because
then
that
would
like
incentivize
them
to
actually
move
their
liquidity
from
one
pool
to
the
other.
But
I
think
you
could
do
use
that
kind
of
same
mindset
for
almost
any
pool.
So
it
would
be
less
about
like
the
farming
feature
and
more
about
like
the
conditional
part
of
that-
and
I
guess
we
would
have
to
that-
would
be
like
a
whole
airdrop
function.
G
That
would
be
like
different
from
that,
but
I
think
the
distribution
of
care
tokens
is
like
could
almost
be
just
as
innovative
as
the
actual
like
product
design
or
care
campaign
itself.
B
So
the
yeah,
so
that
example,
you
just
gave
where
you're
like
incentivizing
arbitrarum
lps,
to
like
bring
liquidity
over
to
mainnet,
that
that
makes
sense,
if,
like
that's
something,
we
actually
truly
want,
we
don't
even
know
if
that's
we'd
have
to
come
up
with
why
we
would
want
something
like
that
to
happen.
But
the
other
thing
you're
saying
is
just
for
marketing
purposes.
B
We
could
yeah
the
way
we
gave
swapper
away
to
communities
if
it's
on
xdi,
even
if
it's
not
giant
amounts.
If,
if
all
of
a
sudden
there's
like
a
thousand
wallets
that
we
know
do
stuff
on
x,
die
or
do
stuff
are
active,
they
all
of
a
sudden.
Have
these
carrot,
tokens
and
they're
like
wait?
B
What's
that
and
and
if
it
was
on
main
net,
like
most
air
drops
it's
if
it's
only
200
you're
like
well
this
sucks,
because
the
gas
is
too
expensive,
but
if
it's
on
x
die
even
if
it's
some
200
amount
or
whatever
for
a
certain
condition.
I
think
it's
a
great
way
to
get
yeah
to
get
to
get
the
idea
of
carrot
at
least
out
there
as
well
so
coming
up
with
those
communities
could
be
or
those
those
wallets
would
be
a
good
next
step
in
this
article
there
is
there.
B
There
was
an
idea
of
using
an
airdrop
use
case,
which
I
think
we
should
do.
B
You
know
give
them
this
kind
of
gift
or
like
award
for
for
participating,
but
have
it
linked
to
some
condition
that,
if
the
whole
community,
you
know
if
this
does
better,
they
will
get
some
reward.
So
it's
kind
of
it's
like
a
friendly
gifting
of
carrots,
almost.
B
It's
coming
up
with
who
those
recipients
should
be
like
for
the
broader
one
who
who
do
we
want
to
know
about
carrot,
and
how
do
we
make?
How
do
we
get
it
out
into
their
communities,
because
the
minute
we
say
like
we
did
with
bankless
like
if
we
give
it
to
only
bankless
members
like
we
did
with
swapper
token,
like
their
communities,
are
very
happy
to
share
that
with
their
communities,
and
so
we
can.
B
F
It's
also
maybe
worth
here
going
over
what
went
wrong
with
the
agave
campaign
as
well
too.
I
I
think
it's
probably
appropriate
that
that's
not
covered
well,
I
don't
know
whether
it
should
be
covered
in
the
article
or
not,
but
I
don't.
I.
B
Think
we
should
do
a
separate
agave
one,
but
the
all
the
little
details
yeah.
Maybe
if
you
want
to
summarize
those
here
and
then
we
can
try
to
formalize
them
and
post
them.
That
would
be
good
too,
because
right.
F
A
Say
yeah,
maybe
to
first
start
with
what
you
just
said
about
agave
is
something
we've
mentioned
in
the
past:
that
carrots
could
be
more
efficient
if
the
incentive
came
as
a
bonus
on
top
of
the
regular
rewards,
so
that
it's
not
all
or
nothing,
and
I
think
this
will
be
also
addressed
with
an
upgrade
to
allow
for
minimum
rewards.
A
So
it's
being
taken
care
of
not
to
turn
it
into
a
swapper
discussion,
but
to
chris's
point,
there's
great
merits
to
what
he
mentioned
because
we've
talked
about
it
in
the
past,
there
are
lps
who
have
a
lot
of
liquidity
in
other
protocols
on
arbitrary
that
are
receiving
less
fewer
rewards
than
what
we
are
giving
for
the
same
pools
in
swapper
and
we've
been
wondering,
and
what
is
what
is
the
problem?
A
A
F
G
B
Well,
yeah,
but
the
social,
if
we're
doing
that
for
certain
communities
and
it's
a
positive
thing,
those
communities
will
share
with
their
communities
that
check
your
wallet.
You
have
this
carrot.
If
this
incentive
happens,
it's
worth
x,
th,
they're,
gonna,
they're
all
willing
to
share
that.
Well,
not
all
of
them.
B
Sometimes
it
has
to
do
with
the
token
price
or
something
they
don't
want
to
share
it,
but
generally
we've
learned
that
they
will
share
it
now
and
that
doesn't
capture
a
hundred
percent
of
their
community,
but
it
could
capture
a
decent,
a
majority
of
their
community,
at
least
to
be
aware
of
it.
So
I
mean
it's
great.
That
makes
sense.
F
When
there's
this
synergy,
I
was
thinking
of
the
example
of
maybe
swapper
wanting
to
take
some
tvl
from
like
a
sushi
swap
or
something.
Oh.
E
F
So
should
I
just
go
over
agave
campaign
just
so
that
we're
all
on
the
same
page
with
how
that
kind
of
evolved
happened.
So
the
campaign
that
was
created
and
done
on
agave
was
to
incentivize
tvl
for
all
of
agave,
so
there's
just
overall
tvl,
it
was
kicked
off
at
the
beginning
of
december.
F
It
was
for
you
know
they
were
distributed
during
the
month
of
december,
but
the
metric,
the
condition
you
know.
The
question
that
was
asked
on
reality.eth
was
what
will
the
average
tvl
be
during
the
last
week
of
december,
so
they
paid
out
based
on
kind
of
the
average
numbers
calculated
from
the
last
week,
even
though
they
were
distributed
through
farming
through
the
whole
month.
F
F
You
can,
I
think,
the
distribution
is
its
own
dimension
of
this
right
like
and
that's
sort
of
up
to
whoever's,
creating
the
campaigns,
although
we
can
potentially
create
tools
to
assist
there
but
kind
of
up
to
the
campaign,
whether
they
airdrop
they
farm
it
under
your
own
ui,
they
leverage
swapper
to
farm
it,
you
could
even
sell.
You
can
imagine
selling
them
and
maybe
there's
other
ways
we
haven't
imagined
yet
so
that
that's
one
interesting
point:
the
range
that
they
used
was
3
million
to,
I
think
10
million
tvl.
F
So
one
thing
that
happened
kind
of
like
what
we
saw
with
the
swap
prices,
tvl,
actually
just
declined,
and
so
the
campaign
was
not
successful.
In
that
sense,
part
of
what
maybe
affected
them
was
the
merger
with
stake
in
g
converting
to
gno,
because
they
had
stake
as
one
of
their
tokens,
and
obviously
people
were
incentivized
to
convert
that
to
gno,
and
I
think
they
just
added
gno
so
so
that
would
have
that
may
have
been
actually
a
negative
factor
in
the
success
of
the
reaching
the
goals
of
the
campaign.
F
But,
on
the
other
hand,
right,
like
the
whole
point
of
carrot,
is
well.
One
of
the
points
is
to
protect
the
projects
from
the
downside,
so
in
that
sense
it
well,
it
would
have
been
successful,
except
there
was
a
couple
of
issues
with
how
the
campaign
was
created,
which
yeah
cause
problems
so
well.
F
There
was
one
issue
with
how
the
campaign
was
created,
and
then
there
was
another
issue
with
how
carrot
works
that
wasn't
well
understood
before
using
the
campaign,
so
I'll
go
over
the
first
one
with
how
it
was
created,
and
this
had
to
do
with
the
units
set
for
the
range
I
think
integers
were
used,
which
is
fine
from
the
carrot
perspective,
as
long
as
the
oracle
we're
actually
feeding
the
integers
in,
but
apparently
like
the
reality
that
eth
ui.
F
If
I
understand
this
correctly,
will
take
your
inputs
and
convert
them
to
whey
and
then
that's
what
gets
registered
on
chain
right.
So
you
had
a
campaign
that
was
created
with
just
regular
integers,
but
then
reality.eth
was
reporting
the
way
values.
So
you
actually
had
the
wrong
values
registered
from
the
oracle
and
what
that
effectively
meant.
F
Is
that
since
reality
was
reporting
way
and
the
carrick
campaign
was
expecting
integers,
the
reported
numbers
was
like
many
order
to
me
many
orders
of
magnitude
greater
than
what
it
should
have
been,
meaning
that
the
max
value
was
actually
paid
out.
Well
for
those
who
had
claimed
their
carrot
carrot
tokens
from
the
agave
ui,
they
were
actually
able
to
claim
the
maximum
amount.
F
So
for
the
farmers
who
did
do
that,
I
think
the
payout
was
actually
quite
good
because
yeah,
because
the
tvl,
when
they
were
farming,
was
actually
below
the
target,
but
the
campaign
ended
up
paying
out
above
the
target.
So
so
one
important
technical
detail
there
that
you
know
it
should
have
been
in
way
when
the
campaign
was
created.
You
know
that's,
I
think
part
of
the
blame
for
that
on
myself
and
the
the
rest
of
us
at
dxtel.
F
But
we
didn't
really
have
a
sit-down
meeting,
which
I
would
advise
for
any
future
campaigns
and
if
we're
working
with
another
team
in
the
future
lesson
learned
here
is
like
let's
sit
down
and
kind
of
go
over
everything
up
front
and
and
now
we're
aware
that
it
needs
to
be
in
a
way
as
well
right
and
the
other
issue
that
they
had
was,
and
this
again
probably
could
have
maybe
been
uncovered
if
we
had
communicated
a
little
better
up
front.
F
But
one
of
the
cool
things
that
agave
was
doing
is
they're,
actually
farming
symmetric
token,
with
the
reward
collateral
right.
F
So
in
the
carrot
campaign
they
used
symmetric
pool
tokens
symmetric,
has
a
balancer
fork
on
excise
systems
chain
and
so
by
using
these
pool
tokens
as
their
reward
collateral
and
the
carrick
campaign,
they
were
getting
a
couple
of
benefits,
one
they
were
able
to
provide
multiple
tokens
in
this
case,
just
two
as
rewards,
even
though
you
know,
carrot
only
supports
locking
up
one
in
the
current
version,
so
they
were
able
to
distribute
stake
and
agave
tokens
together
through
the
pool
token,
and
additionally,
they
were
hoping
that
they
would
be
able
to
farm
the
symmetric
tokens
right.
F
The
problem,
though
there
is
the
way
symmetric,
does
its
distributions,
is
its
air
dropping
the
tokens
to
the
lp
holders,
and
in
this
case
that
was
the
actual
carrick
campaign
address
and
the
carrot
campaigns
are
not
supporting
kind
of
withdrawal
of
other
erc
20
tokens
to
the
creator.
So
those
rewards
that
were
earned
by
that
reward
collateral
in
december
were
were
lost
right.
So
a
little
bit
of
like
loss
of
funds
there
not
of
the
underlying
collateral.
F
But
of
the
rewards
that
it
was
earning
and
sky
is
posted,
this
link
to
a
pr
from
luigi
on
the
carrot,
github
and
and
yeah.
This
is
actually
addressing
that
problem,
as
well
as
adding
another
feature
which
is
kind
of
interesting,
which
is
a
minimum
payout.
We
could
talk
about
that
too,
but
that
wasn't
really
a
problem.
It's
just
a
feature
that
luigi
thinks
is
a
good
one
to
have.
B
Yeah
thanks
for
that
recap,
john
there's
a
it.
I
mean
it
sounds
like
there's
a
lot
of
things
there.
They
all
like,
came
up
for
certain
reasons.
B
B
This
is
not
a
permissionless
system,
maybe
one
day
it
will
be,
but
we
yeah
like
carrot
campaign
creation
is
very
difficult
and
only
a
few
people
can
do
it
in
terms
of
the
knowledge
but
then
and
also
access,
and
so
understanding
like
how
exactly
to
do
that
and
like
who
should
do
it
or
who
to
even
let
know
about
it
is
like
an
open
question.
I
think.
F
Yeah
I
mean
this
is
why
it's
an
alpha
to
write,
and
I
think
this
is
good-
that
we're
learning
these
lessons
and
surfacing
them
here
and
I
and
I
don't
think
the
takeaway
shouldn't
be
to
be
scared
right,
like
I
think
we
just
you
know,
let's
make
sure
that
we're
actually
having
a
meeting
up
front
if
we're
working
with
another
team.
I
think
that's
the
main
lesson.
Yeah.
B
The
other
one
thing,
though,
like
the
if
you
look
at
the
swapper
tvl
campaign
and
you
like
go
to
coward,
and
you
look
at
that-
it
says,
on
the
on
the
on
the
camera
front
end
that,
like
you
know
you,
participants
are
going
to
get
31
of
the
collateral
that
was
locked
up,
but
you
I
I
personally
could
not
find
how
to
discover
like
what
the
outcome
of
the
campaign
was
like
what
the
what
the
reality
outcome
was.
B
It's
quite
a
confusing
interface
if
you
go
to
reality.eth,
so
it
is
nice
that
we
are
using
that
we
use
that
for
omen,
but
it's
very
not
friendly
and
the
data
is
not
feeding
into
carrots.
So
it's
very
hard
like
I
don't
I
don't
know.
Can
someone
like
if
I
don't
know
how
you
find
out
what
the
actual
settlement
price
is
for
the
carrick
campaigns
either
in
carrick.
F
B
F
B
Yeah,
we
don't
have
to
just
discover
that
right
now,
but
like
we
should
keep
in
mind
that
that
that
isn't
important,
like
the
actual
answer,
is
an
important
thing.
So
how
you
go
discover
that
and
how
you
display
the
answer
like
omen:
does
it
quite
well
and
so
mirroring?
Maybe
how
oman
does
it
is,
as
could
be
a
good
answer,
but
yeah
we're
getting
to
the
top
of
the
hour
here
lots
of
things
we
can
do
with
carrot
lots
of
yeah.
We
should
do
a
post
about
agave.
B
I
mean
it's
really
unfortunate.
Like
carrot
didn't
do
what
it
was
supposed
to
do
for
agave
agave.
You
know,
I
think
if
we
correct
it
all
they'll
they'll
continue
to
experiment
with
it.
There's
all
these
people
now
that
hold
these
carrot,
tokens
and
I
think
yeah
they're
supposed
to
go
and
claim
them,
even
though
they
probably
think
that
they're
worthless
but
they're
actually
worth
something.
And
so
that's
like
another
communication,
confusing.
F
Yeah,
so
the
agave
carrots
are
actually
worth
more
than
they
should
have
been
like.
They
should
have
been
worthless,
but
they're
actually
worth
the
full
amount.
The
maximum
amount,
which
I
mean
and
then
tbl
was
even
below
the
lower
end,
so
they're
actually
quite
good.
I
think
for
the
people
who
claimed
it,
but
you
can
no
longer
claim
it
from
the
ui
if,
if
you
had
it,
but
if
you
had
taken
the
carrots
you
can
go
to
the
carrot,
ui
and
then.
F
B
F
Let's
see
so
the
pr
so
typically
how
care
works
is
if
the
goal
is
not
met,
then
the
project
that
locked
up
the
reward
collateral
gets
it
back
right.
So
that's
what
should
have
happened
in
this
case
because
the
goal
wasn't
actually
met
but
because
it
was
misconfigured,
reality
was
reporting
a
very
high
number
and
so,
from
the
current
perspective
the
goal
was
met,
so
only
the
the
collateral
can
only
be
taken
out
of
that
carrot
campaign
by
people
redeeming
carrots.
So
if
you
have
the
carrots
you
can
go
and
get
the
reward
collateral.
F
F
F
So
they
were
distributing
the
carrots
through
agave
right
like
and
so
in
the
ui.
You
would
click
like
claim
reward
or
whatever
right.
They
have
some
smart
contract
that
handles
that
claim
right
and
they
had
put
the
carrots
into
that
contract
right.
So
they
were
coming
out
of
that
to
the
farmers,
so
they.
F
Back
then,
I
think
they
took
any,
which
I
mean
I
think,
they're
justified
in
doing
right.
Although
some
people
maybe
would
disagree
right,
but
the
goal
wasn't
met,
so
the
carrots
should
have
been
worthless.
They
weren't.
If
you
had
them,
they
actually
are
worth
something.
So
I
think
what
agave
did
is
they
kind
of
just
claimed
all
the
carrots
out
that
weren't
that
hadn't
been
claimed
yet
to
get
the
money
back?
We
should
check
with
them,
though,
because
they
haven't
said
that
so.
B
F
Good
thing
is
the
money.
The
only
funds
that
hold
there
are
a
couple
things
here
right,
but
the
reward
collateral
wasn't
locked
up
or
lost
right,
like
the
carrots
can
go,
get
the
reward
collateral.
It
just
was
supposed
to
go
back
to
the
project.
Instead
of
going
to
the
carrot
holders.
F
F
F
B
Okay,
we'll
continue
with
that,
so
yeah
we're
at
the
top
of
the
hour.
These
last
few
things
well
yeah.
I
guess
the
last
one
I'll
mention
is
initiative.
Dow,
there's
a
link
in
the
agenda
here,
there's
our
two
examples
of
using
the
initiative
dial
for
some
marketing
and
educational
things.
Those
are
two
examples
of
how
community
members
can
can
post
can
post
a
an
initiative
that
they
want
to
take
advantage
of
and
so
check
out.
Dwork
become
part
of
the
dxdow.
B
Dwork
instance
and
then,
if
you
have
ideas
from
the
community,
yeah
post
them
post
them
there
and
there's
a
process,
and
so
it's
yeah,
it's
a
cool
to
way
to
use
the
work
and
it
fits
the
initiative.
Dao
really
well,
and
so,
if
it's
successful,
we
could
use
it
for
other
things
as
well,
and
then
eat
denver,
yeah
cool
to
hear
that
the
developer
dial
will
be
there,
there's
going
to
be
lots
of
different
communities
there.
B
B
We
need
to
get
that
made
quickly
if
they're
made
in
china,
because
it's
china's
happy
new
year
that
comes
up
or
chinese
new
year.
So
we
need
to
make
sure
we
get
the
merch
that
we
need
going
so
that
we
have
it
in
denver
and
then
lastly,
atlantis
world.
There
should
be
a
proposal
up
on
on
dx
vote
and
there's
also
a
piece
related
to
carrot,
and
so
we
need
to
come
up
with
yeah
that
that
can
be.
B
That
can
be
in
another,
immediate
carrot,
creation
that
we
could
deliver
to
them
and
we
just
need
to
figure
out
what
yeah
how
to
settle.
B
I
don't
know
if
it
would
be
if
it
would
be
smart
for
reality.eth
to
be
the
oracle
for
that
type
of
incentivized
carrot
campaign
where
there's
like
very
specific
deliverables
or
if
there
should
be
some
kind
of
more
general
oracle
or
it
could
be
dx,
tao
itself
or
rep
holders,
or
ideally
some
third
party,
I
guess,
but
we
need
to
figure
out
how
to
create
that
carry
campaign,
but
that
that's
another
good
cool
use
case
of
carrot.
B
So
anyway,
that's
that's
a
summary
today,
we,
you
know,
we
talked
about
a
few
things,
we're
at
the
past
time,
so
we'll
call
it
here,
but
thanks
everyone
for
coming.
A
Yep
last
word:
we
we
had
a
meeting
with
ethereum
swarm
earlier
and
we
have
like
interesting
good
news.
A
You
know
it's
a
peer-to-peer
network
with
nodes
for
decentralized
data
infrastructure.
They
kind
of
see
themselves
as
the
base
layer
for
the
decentralized
data
storage
of
daos.
A
They
are
very
excited
for
2022
as
the
year
of
the
dows
and
they
wish
to
partner
with
dxdow
to
leverage
our
dow
infrastructure.
So
we're
going
to
be
scheduling
a
follow-up
call
for
next
week,
they'll
invite
more
team
members
on
their
side,
and
I
would
like
to
have
quite
a
few
of
you
as
well,
if
possible,
to
attend.
A
A
That
will
be
a
virtual
hackathon
and
they
are
happy
to
partner
with
us
and
we
could
set
up
bounties,
for
you
know,
developers
to
build
solutions
with
our
governance
framework
and
they
could
match
those
bounties
and
grants.
So
there's
that
this
great
potential
for
us
to
explore
and
in
partnership
with
ethereum
swarm.
B
Cool,
let's
call
it
here
and
thanks
everyone
for
coming
happy
monday.