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Yeah,
should
we
wait
for
him?
Maybe
I
guess
he's
going
to
reconnect.
D
Yeah,
we
have,
I
guess,
we're
mason
here,
that's
what
you
want
to
introduce
yourself
before
your
kind
of
minutes
and
we
have
mika
hill
as
well,
which
I
think
is
new
and
tom.
E
Oh
eric
was
possibly
going
to
thomas
here
as
well.
You
can
eric
had
something
else,
but
I
think
a
lot
of
people
probably
know
eric
from
dow
stack
already
but
yeah.
I
had
a
quick,
five
minute
presentation.
If
I'm
can
I
just
jump
right
into
that?
Does
that
sound
like
a
good
plan?
I
don't
want
to
take
too
much
time
here,
but
yeah
sure
go
go
for
it,
nice,
okey
dokey,
so
I'm
gonna
share
screen.
E
This
is
gonna,
be
a
little
bit
janky
but
jump
to
the
front
so
yeah,
I'm
mason
friends
of
john.
We
had
known
each
other
in
boston
and
randomly
saw
each
other
at
an
ethereum
conference
and
we
were
just
sitting
next
to
each
other.
It
was
like
whoa
john,
what's
up
so
con
three
right.
D
E
Three
yep
yeah,
yeah,
so
yeah
and
then
have
been
friends
with
level
k
and
whatnot
and
yeah.
So
just
to
go
into
some
history
of
how
I
got
to
where
I
am
now.
E
I
quit
my
job
to
go
full
time
into
crypto
in
2017
built
xtherium,
which
is
an
implementation
of
ethereum
in
elixir
with
jeff.
The
compound
cto
and
others
contracted
with
compound
for
a
little
bit
was
fed
up
with
ethereum's
ux
and
developer
experience.
The
you
know
high
fees,
slow
transactions
and
whatnot
and
was
thinking
of
migra
turning
mana
into
a
ethereum,
2
client,
but
sort
of
saw
the
flaws
in
these
two.
E
I
just
thought
that
they
were
building
way
too
much
had
too
big
of
a
plan
that
wasn't
going
to
be
able
to
be
released
on
time,
which
is
sort
of
coming
true.
So
at
that
point
I
was
like
well,
I
guess
I'm
going
to
build
my
own
chain
and
that's
how
ellipticon
got
started
in
2017.
E
worked
on
that
for
three
or
so
years,
and
got
to
the
point
where
I
sort
of
needed
to
do
a
token
sale
didn't
wasn't
really
interested
in
doing
a
token
sale.
Then
I
you
know
would
give
up
too
much
and
didn't
have
enough
built.
I
wanted
to
have
working
software
before
I
tried
to
profit
off
of
something
so
joined
optimism
in
early
2020
and
then,
as
idos
became
more
you
know,
people
started
doing
these
initial
dex
offerings.
I
became
interested
in
that
it
was
like.
E
Oh,
this
is
a
nice
way
that
I
can
start
to
raise
money
off.
This
thing
incrementally
so
left
in
march
2020
to
go
full
time,
elliptic
coin
and
then
summer
this
summer
I
pivoted
from
a
smart
contract
platform
to
a
defy
chain
and
we'll
get
into
how
we
got
there.
The
team
right
now
is
me,
which
I
just
went
over
my
quick
history
and
tom.
You
can
say
hi
if
you
like,
are
you
so
always
you
never
know
like?
Oh,
are
they?
Oh
there?
You
are.
F
E
Yeah,
so
thank
you
to
tom
for
pushing
like,
I
would
just
complain
about
like
oh
we're,
not
gonna
ship,
we're,
not
gonna
ship
he's
like
just
doing
the
thing
we'll
figure
it
out,
so
it
was
good
to
good
to
get
that
push
so
going
back
to
screen
share.
So
I
was
gonna.
Do
a
quick
demo
of
what
we
have
now
so
we
have.
We
have
an
automated
market
maker
built
and
people
are
earning
liquidity
rewards.
E
We
have
fifty
thousand
dollars
worth
of
bitcoin
and
ethan
there,
and
I
was
thinking
execute
showing
a
trade
execution
should
we
buy
some
falling
or
some
following
bitcoin
anybody
have
a
suggestion
of
which
is
gonna,
fall,
quicker
or
slower
waiting.
Okay,
I'm
gonna
buy
background
yeah,
ethereum.
Okay.
Here
we
go
one
two
three
boom
okay,
so
we
have
heath
now
so
yeah
this.
E
The
idea
that
blockchains
can't
have
instant
transactions,
I
think,
is
just
you
know-
we're
eventually
going
to
get
to
this
point
where
blockchains
are
going
to
have
ux
like
web
2ux
and
yeah.
It's
basically
like
a
race
to
get
there.
I
see
you're
all
we're
talking
about
scaling
solutions
later
and
you
know
these.
You
know
these
l2s
are
going
to
make
the
web
2
experience,
but
this
sort
of
gets
into
my
oh
crap
because
I'm
not
sharing
screen
there.
E
Good
that
would
have
been
like
weird,
but
so
this
gets
into
this
idea
of
elliptic
coin
being
an
app
chain.
So
originally
elliptic
coin
was
a
smart
contract
platform
and
I
sort
of
I
started
realizing
that
I
could
make
some
of
the
functionality
be
built
into
the
protocol.
So
I
had
a
token
contract
and
I
was
like.
E
Oh
this
token
contract
can
just
run
natively
and
then
everything
else
can
be
the
part
of
the
protocol,
and
then
I
realized
the
whole
thing
could
basically
just
be
built
into
the
base
of
the
chain.
So
the
idea
of
elliptic
line
is
it
has
all
the
functionality
it
has
the
ammo
it
could
potentially
have
lending.
It
could
potentially
have
synthetic
acids
all
built
directly
into
the
protocol,
the
thinking
behind
that
being
unification
instead
of
fragmentation
and
aggregation.
E
So
what
we
have
now
on
each
we
see
like
compound
and
oven
all
these
things,
building
a
bunch
of
lending
protocols
and
then
aggregators
aggregating
them
all
back
together
and
that's
happening
with
the
you
know
the
dexes
as
well
with
one
inch
and
whatnot,
and
I
I
think
if
you
have
one
entity
making
all
the
money
lego
like,
I
do
think
that
interdrompability
is
important.
E
So
you
can
have
money
legos,
you
can,
you
know,
say,
send
your
liquidity
use
your
liquidity
as
per
collateral
or
whatever
you
want
to
do,
but
I
think
there's
benefits
in
one
entity
creating
all
the
legos,
because
then
you
know
all
the
legos
can
fit
together.
Well,
we
are
already
seeing
this
in
all
of
the
different
implementations
of
erc20s
and
there's.
E
You
know
all
I
forget
which
seven
something
there's
there's
a
few
implementations
of
token
standards,
but
if
you
just
have
one,
there
are
a
lot
of
benefits
to
that,
and
then
another
benefit
is
a
single
rent
seeker
instead
of
multiple,
so
in
in
a
in
a
future
where
we
have
optimism
and
you
need
swap
and
ethereum
you're
gonna
have
to,
if
not
indirectly,
pay
fees
at
each
of
those
layers
like
those
those
those
entities
will
need
to
profit
somehow,
whereas
with
elliptic
coin,
there's
just
one
rent
seeker-
and
I
think
another
thing
that
makes
this
more
interesting
is-
I
think
that
the
top
most
platform
is
going
to
be
have
the
highest
valuation.
E
So
I
think
you
know,
in
the
polka
dot.
E
The
polka
dot
token
is
going
to
be
worth
more
than
any
of
the
para
chains.
In
the
ethereum
example,
eath
is
going
to
be
worth
any
more
than
anything
on
one
any
of
these.
You
know
any
of
these
l2s
and
whatnot,
and
this
gets
into
the
plan
of
how
we
make
this
thing.
We're
planning
to
make
this
thing
work
is.
I
think
that
this
really
what's
going
on
right
now
is
it's
a
battle.
E
It's
not
a
battle
for
the
best
tech,
it's
a
battle
for
the
most
liquidity,
and
I
think
the
liquidity
is
on
each
one
right
now
and
it's
sort
of
like
we're
racing
for
all
these
l2s
or
other
l1s,
and
the
way
that
we're
going
to
get
that
liquidity
is
by
using
our
issuance
to
pull
that
liquidity
in
so
98
of
our
issuance
is
going
to
go
towards
pulling
in
liquidity.
E
It's
going
to
be
the
first
first
one
that
I
I
know
of
that's
you
know
doing
basically
yield
farming
for
all
of
the
tokens.
Almost
all
of
the
tokens
and
our
current
incentivized
pools
are
bitcoin
ethan
elliptic
coin.
We
can
add
others
and
just
for
comparison.
East
60
of
east
in
circulation
is
from
the
pre-sale
and
yeah,
so
that's
already
money
that
they
basically
spent
and
we
haven't.
E
We've
spent
about
10
percent
of
our
issuance.
So
far
on
this
prototype,
the
people
have
been
putting
their
liquidity
in
here
and
getting
rewards
just
to
test
this
thing
out
and
the
way
that
things
work
is
there's
it's
it's
basically
a
copy
of
the
bitcoin
issuance
except
I
tweaked
the
variables
a
little
bit.
It's
there's
haven't
happenings
happen
about
every
year.
There's
six
happenings
so
yeah
over
the
period
of
six
years.
E
We're
showing
all
these
tokens
the
way
that
it
works
is
basically
proof
of
work,
but
swap
out
tokens
instead
of
energy
and
mining
rigs.
There's
a
21
million
fixed
up
supply
cap.
I
think
that
meme
is
valuable.
Even
if
it
is
you
know,
imaginary
or
not,
that
we
can
get
into
that
whole
philosophical
argument
and
then
there's
you.
You
require
a
large
amount
of
elliptic
coin
to
lock
up.
E
If
you
want
to
mine
and
the
the
plan
is
that
institutional
will
run
miners
instead
of
hobbyists
and
one
of
the
final
things
is,
the
incentives
are
fairly
draconian.
So
if
you
miss
a
block
or
you
somehow
misbehave,
your
entire
state
gets
burned.
So
we're
thinking
you
know
this
is
treating
running
these
miners
as
if
they
go
down
all
the
money
goes
away.
E
It's
and
I,
I
think,
the
the
thinking
there
is
the
incentive
of
all
the
transaction
fees
that
these
miners
will
be
getting
will
make
it
worth
it
for
miners
to
take
that
risk.
Finally,
the
next
steps
considering
building
an
arbitrage
bot
to
for
interim
funding,
just
so
I
can
stop
beating
through
my
savings,
has
been
fun
for
a
while,
but
I'm
starting
to
get.
E
I
am
not
that
crypto
rich
yet
so
I
need
food
and
moving
over
the
network
to
moving
over
to
network
specific
private
keys
ethereum,
you
know,
so
you
will
sign
messages
with
your
ethereum
private
key,
your
polkadot
private
key
and
whatnot.
We
had
our
own
private
key
mechanism
when
we
were
thinking
of
building
more
like
a
smart
contract
platform,
but
it
makes
I
think
it
makes
more
sense
to
just
use,
ethereum
private
keys
and
we
get
everything
all
of
the
key
management
stuff
built
from
scratch.
E
You
know
built
for
us
and
yeah.
I
mean
that
is
a
ton,
but
you
know
we
had
to
start
somewhere
so
and
and
then
also
the
the
reason
why
I'm
on
this
call
is
so
we
have
been
issuing
these
tokens
and
our
plan
is
to
get
together
some
of
the
liquidity
providers
that
have
been
providing
liquidity
and
earning
lifted
coins
and
do
an
initial
dex
offering
through
mesa
potentially
and
selling
those
tokens.
You
know
to
the
general
public
they
are
available,
but
you
know
sort
of
getting.
E
You
know
the
these,
the
splash
of
press
and
whatnot
from
an
initial
dex
offering-
or
we
you
know-
are
also
looking
at
the
potential
of
you
know.
Going
the
traditional
create
a
company
route.
You
know
raise
a
staff
raise
around
and
make
this
more
of
a
traditional
thing.
I'm
definitely
more
interested
in
a
more
decentralized
thing.
E
That's
why
I'm
so
interested
in
in
talking
to
y'all,
because
it
just
seems
like
a
lot
more
in
the
ethos
of
crypto
to
sell
tokens
you
know
to
in
a
dex
offering,
as
opposed
to
you
know,
raise
traditional
funding
and
you
know
set
up
a
company
in
the
us
all
of
that
stuff.
So
yeah,
it's
a
it's
a
lot
there
and
then
also.
So
this
funding
is
definitely
a
possibility,
but
also
as
you're
talking
about
l2s.
E
One
of
the
possible
options
is
this
could
be
an
l2
solution
where
elliptic
coin
becomes
the
functionality
of
elliptic
coin.
E
One
of
the
ways
that
I
understand,
dx
tao,
is
you're
building
tools
for
each
of
these
different
chains,
and
there
is
the
possibility
that
elliptic
coin
could
be
just
the
app
chain
of
dxtau
that
does
all
of
these
dx
dial
type
things
lending
and
trading
and
whatnot.
But
that's
definitely
like
a
more
theoretical,
and
you
know:
we'd
have
to
figure
out
a
lot
more
stuff
there
and
discuss
much
more,
but
the
funding
definitely
seems
like.
E
It
makes
a
ton
of
sense
to
sell
these
tokens
on
mesa
and,
if
that
goes
well,
then
we
are
very,
very
open
to
figuring
out
the
best
way
that
we
can
align
ourselves
to.
You
know
merge
this
and
make
this
the
best
outcome
for
either
of
us,
or
you
know
whether
it's
dx
to
hold
some
elliptic
coins
or
you
know
there
are
infinite
possibilities
there.
So
yeah
definitely
happy
to
be
on
the
call
and
meet
everybody
and
yeah
excited
to
hear
questions.
C
Just
what's
the
timing
you're
thinking
of
this,
because
I
guess
like
for
me,
I'm
not
sure
we're
kind
of
going
through
the
process
of
trying
to
shift
to
like
a
v2
right
now
and
that
will
come
with
like
a.
I
think,
that'll
itself
make
a
little
bit
of
a
splash
and
try
to
be
a
great
platform
for
for
precisely
sales
like
this,
and
I
don't
know
the
exact
time
on
that.
Martin
maybe
speak
to
that.
But
what
are
you
guys
thinking.
E
Yeah
I
mean
everything
is
up
in
the
air
in
on
an
elliptical
as
well
as
far
as
timing,
because
there's
a
lot
of
things
to
time.
When,
when
do
we,
you
know
move
over
to
ethereum
keys.
When
do
we,
you
know:
do
this
text
offering
everything
is
pretty
much
as
soon
as
possible,
because
so
much
of
this
is,
you
know,
like
weeks
matter
right
like
especially
as
these
layer
twos
are
going
online,
so
yeah
as
soon
as
possible,
but
possibly
in
the
next
two
months.
E
I'm
thinking
to
sell
tokens
like
I
I
we
want
to
get
this
as
we
want
to
get
this
moving
and
all
the
software
is
ready
to
go
the
I
have
a
multi-sig
bridge
that
just
needs
to
be
deployed
and
move
over
so
yeah.
I'm
next,
two
to
three
months
I
think
is-
is
the
general.
G
Do
you
what's
how
does
team
look
like
today.
E
So
it's
it's
just
me,
and
tom
currently
will
from
optimism,
also
had
joined
for
a
month
or
so
or
a
couple
months,
but
he
has
also
you
know
the
the
not
getting
payment
we
that
time
ran
out.
So
he
has
gone
to
look
for
another
job.
It
is
still
possible
that
we
could
hire
him
if
we
get
the
funding
and
everything
makes
sense,
we're
still
figuring
that
out.
I
sent
him
a
message
this
morning.
He
he
definitely
will
hop.
E
You
know
he
can
hop
on
these
calls,
and
you
know
chat
chat
with
you
all.
If
that
makes
sense-
and
I
did
want
to
mention
to
him
like
the
possibility
of
him
joining
dxd.
Well,
all
that
stuff,
there's
there's
possibilities,
but
currency
with
me
and
thomas
will
was
with
us
for
a
month
but
he's
yes,
it
needs
funding
to
continue,
which
is
one
of
the
reasons
that
we're
looking
to
raise
money.
So
is
that.
G
E
Like
short
term
at
least
short
term
short
term
is
basically
reducing
my
own
risk
right,
like
if
I've
worked
on
this
for
three
or
so
years
before
this
and
a
half
a
year.
At
this
point,
and
what
I
don't
want
to
do
is
work
another
two
years
on
this
and
then
not
have
any
rewards
like
I
want
to
sort
start.
E
You
know
protecting
myself
a
little
bit
and
yeah
being
getting
some
sort
of
a
salary
would
would
make
me
more
comfortable
and
it
just
funding
is
to
make
this
more.
E
Basically,
I've
been
working
on
so
far,
I've
been
working
on
an
experiment
right
and
the
experiment
worked,
and
now
it's
like
okay,
how
do
we
turn
this
into
a
business
and
I
think
there
is
definitely
a
possibility
of
turning
it
into
a
business
and
yeah.
E
If
you
do
have
funder
and
then
you
can
bring
other
developers
and
then
you
you
know
it
potentially
drives
the
price
of
the
token
up,
because
it's
people
see
like
oh,
there
is
funding
and
they're
working
on
this
and
there's
extra
developers
and
there's
people
who
are
invested
in
this,
whereas
if
it's
just
running
on
its
own
it,
the
token
price.
Might
you
know
not
have
the
rocket
fuel
that
we're
looking
for
so.
B
Mason,
I
have
a
question
for
you
like
over
the
next.
Let's
say
two:
three
four
months
is
the
important
thing
to
have
the
funding
you
need
in
order
to
hire
the
people
and
build
everything
you
want
to
build,
or
is
it
to
get
the
token
out
there
in
the
hands
of
the
community
like
as
soon
as
possible?
Or
would
you
be
better
positioned
to
do
the
token
after
four
months
of
everything
you
want
to
build
with,
with
having
the
funding.
E
Very
good
questions
and
I
think
the
amount
of
work
I
need
to
get
done
to
the
point
where
I'm
comfortable
releasing
is
not.
You
know,
I
think
it's
a
a
month
or
so
to
get
to.
Basically,
I
just
need
to
convert
private
keys
from
elliptical
and
private
keys
to
ethereum
private
keys,
which
is
you
know,
fairly
insignificant.
E
I
think
the
most
important
part
is
getting
the
tokens
out
over
hiring
people
like,
I
think
we
hiring
people
can
almost
come
second,
and
then
you
almost
get
to
see
more
validation
and
see
what's
actually
being
built,
as
opposed
to
you
know,
just
hiring
people
and
sort
of
being
like
okay.
Well
now
we
have
people.
What
do
we
do?
I
I
I
definitely
like
the
iterative
approach.
E
We've
just
always
been
like
not
doing
things
until
we
absolutely
need
to
and
like
building
the
software,
getting
people
actually
using
it,
and
then
me,
you
know
hiring
people
once
there's
the
backlogs
filled
and
it's
like.
Oh,
we
know
exactly
what
that
person's
going
to
do.
They
can
clean
up
the
backlog
as
opposed
to
hiring
ahead
of
time.
Then,
just
you
know,
build
a
bunch
of
software
and
hope
that
it
works.
E
E
It's
like
we
have
software
that
people
can
use
today,
it's
not
as
decentralized
as
we
like,
but
you
know,
the
idea
is
decentralized
over
time.
Progressive
decentralization!
This
is
the
actual
tool
that
people
are
the
actual
user
experience
that
people
are
going
to
have
and
it's
functional
and
it
works,
and
then
once
that
thing
takes
off
use
that
money
to
build
out
and
decentralize
and
to
make
things
more,
yeah
turn
it
from
an
experience
and
experiment
into
a
business
cool.
D
Yeah
mason,
this
sounds
super
cool.
I
suggest
you
like
stick
around
and
you
know
in
the
chat
in
the
dow
talk,
and
maybe
we
can
figure
out
like
how
to
collaborate.
D
One
of
the
things
you
know
is
obviously
to
do
the
audio
on
mesa
and
yeah
like
we're
like
it's
one
of
the
topics
of
the
rest
of
the
call,
I
don't
know
like
we're
trying
to
get
to
it
for
the
past
couple
of
weeks,
but
you
know
how
will
dxdow
collaborate
or
incubate
or
partner
with
you
know
these
kind
of
projects?
How
do
we
support
these
promising
projects?
I
guess
so
yeah.
That's
something
we're
working
on.
E
Yeah
no
and
I
I
think,
we're
all
sort
of
figuring
out
as
we
go
right.
I
mean
people
have
not
even
structured
themselves
in
the
way
that
dxdow
is
structured
in
ever
in
humanity.
So
it's
there
will
be
bumps
and
I'm
I'm
definitely
willing
to.
There
is
definitely
we
have
a
lot
of
the
pieces
here.
You
know
dxdo
and
electric
and
what
we've
been
working
on
and
figuring
out
the
ways
that
we
can
put
those
pieces
together
to
you
know
maximize
value.
E
D
Excited
yeah,
I
I
had
a
quick
technical
question
like
I
don't
think
I
heard
that,
but
is
the
chain
is
ellipticon
like
evm
compatible
like
would
be
able?
Will
you
be
able
to
run
like
whole
dao
like
a
dx
style
base
on
epticon.
E
So
it
isn't
I
I
originally.
It
was
a
smart
contract
platform
and
I
was
thinking
of
doing
evm
compatibility,
but
the
way
that
it
would
work,
one
theoretical
possibility
would
be
write
whatever
the
functionality
is
of
these
applications,
and
so
the
the
elliptic
coin
is
written
in
rest
and
all
of
the
functionality
is
built
directly
into
the
chain.
So
you
could,
theoretically,
you
know,
say
swapper.
For
example,
you
build
the
swapper
functionality
in
rust
and
then
you
have
swapper
on.
E
You
know
this
chain,
you,
you
potentially
have
swapper
on
polka
dot,
and
then
you
also
have
basically
native
swapper
and
yeah
I
mean
so
it
does
require
work
there.
You
can't,
you
can't
just
send
out
the
evm
code
base
and
push
it
up
there,
which
is
I
mean
that
is
a
possibility
to
add
back
smart
contract,
support
and
add
back
evm
compatibility
but
yeah,
like
I
say,
a
lot
of
with
this
iterative
stuff
like.
E
I
would
much
rather
build
software
that
people
are
using
than
build
technical
things
that
take
a
long
time
to
build,
and
then
eventually
you
get
it
to
market,
and
then
people
don't
actually
don't
have.
If
the
liquidity
isn't
there,
I
think
you
one
of
one
of
the
things
I
mentioned
on
this
slide
is,
I
think,
the
race
we're
seeing
right
now
is
a
race
to
liquidity,
not
a
race.
The
best
software,
like
I
just
seeing
ethereum
seeing
bitcoin
the
software
that
runs
bitcoin,
is
and
the
bitcoin
market
cap
it's
like.
E
Oh,
the
the
quality
of
software,
doesn't
have
very
much
relation
to
the
money
locked
in
the
thing,
so
it
it.
It
is
a
possibility,
but
there
are,
I
think
there
are
quicker
ways
to
for
elliptic
coin
and
dx
doubt
to
collaborate
there,
but
yeah
at
this
point
open
to
all
possibilities
and
want
to
hear
as
much
as
possible,
and
then
we
can
sort
of,
like
you
know,
cut
ideas
down
and
figure
out
like
okay.
Well,
we're
not
going
to
do
this.
E
We're
not
going
to
do
this,
and
I
am
super
interested
to
stick
around
to
hear
this
l2
discussion,
because
that'll
have
a
lot
to
do
with
it.
You
know
like
I,
I
hopped
on
the
call
on
friday-
and
I
heard
some
discussion
of-
do
you
does
dxdow
just
focus
just
on
arbor
trim.
Do
they
focus
just
on
optimism
and
I
imagine
it'll
all
be
like?
Do
you
just
focus
on
your
own
chain?
Do
you
focus
on
multiple
chains
and
the
decisions
you
make
there
will?
E
Probably
you
know,
affect
the
decision
of
how
elliptic
coin
ties
into
that
right.
Is
this
just
like
a
side
thing
that
you
know
there
you're
we're
both
aligned
or
is
it
more
like
core
to
the
thing
or
yeah
there's
like
I
keep
saying
tons
of
tons
of
possibilities,
swiss
army
right.
D
C
C
Well,
I
think
the
mesa
idea
of
something
is
we
should
be
thinking
about
how
we
can
that's
like
to
me.
The
big
takeaway
thing
that
we
could
try
to
like
work
on
that,
because
I
think
that
makes
a
lot
of
sense,
and
then
we
need
to
think
about
whether,
with
kind
of
on
our
timeline
of
when
launching
v2,
because
it
could
be
an
opportunity
for
this
to
be
like
a
flying
ship
launch
token
launch
on
mesa
v2.
C
E
D
H
Okay
hours
yeah
so
last
week
we
started
with
this,
but
then
I
kind
of
feel
that
we
weren't
structured
that
so
me
and
elon
thought
we
would
jot
down
a
little
bit
more
detail,
giving
a
little
bit
background
about
what
okrs
are
and
then
see
how
we
would
adopt
it
for
dx
star
so
yeah.
So,
okay,
ours
are
basically
objectives
and
key
results
and
it
has
been
in
the
business
for
like
15
20
years
now
and
it's
a
goal
management
framework.
H
So
I
mean
companies
use
this
for
implementing
and
executing
their
strategies.
The
reason
why
okrs
are
different
from
other
goal:
management
structures
like
these
balance,
scorecards
and
all
or
because
it
it
focuses
on
the
results
rather
than
focusing
on
what
we
are
actually
building
so
the
features
being
shipped.
So
it
doesn't
focus
on
those.
But
it
focuses
on
whether
the
effort
that
we
are
putting
in
is
actually
delivering
us
results.
H
So
that's
one
of
the
things
that
okrs
are
good
at
and
then
it
also
helps
in
increasing
transparency
and
employee
engagement,
because
when
you
have
a
when
you
run
a
company,
when
you
run
teams,
it's
the
goals
are
set
at
a
personal
level
and
then
you're
generally
not
sharing
these
goals
with
other
employees,
and
these
okrs
are
not.
H
These
okrs
are
not
linked
to
any
sort
of
salaries
and
compensation,
so
these
are
company-wide
goals
that
we
discuss
on
all
hands
on
every
all
hands.
Meeting
that
we
have
so
it
kind
of
gives
us
increased
transparency
on
how
we
are
doing
running
our
business,
and
we
also
see
to
it
that
it
is
being
set.
The
company
objectives
might
change
quarter
to
quarter,
and
so
it
is
being
constantly
set
tracked
and
re-evaluated
every
quarter.
H
So
just
to
recap
here
so
objectives
generally
tells
you
the
direction
in
which
the
company
should
go.
Key
results
are
basically
measuring
the
progress
that
we
are
going
towards.
The
objective
and
initiatives
are
what
we
are
doing
to
achieve:
the
key
results:
okay,
so
yeah.
We
spoke
a
little
bit
about
the
benefits.
H
It's
it's
because
it
aligns
towards
the
entire
company.
It
brings
a
lot
of
transparency
and
also
it
brings
focus.
It
also
helps
us
measure
against
outcomes
rather
than
outputs.
So,
basically,
when
we
are
working
towards
a
roadmap,
for
instance,
we
know
that
yeah
we
are
launching
swapper,
we
are
launching
towards
mesa
version
2.,
so
those
are
the
outputs
for
which
the
efforts
are
going
in
and
then
we
try
to
measure
what
should
be
the
outcome.
So
we
already
plan
towards
what
should
be
the
outcome.
H
Okay,
with
mesa
two,
we
will
be
launching
yeah
three
token
offerings
in
the
in
the
first
quarter,
something
like
that
or
20
offerings
in
the
year.
So
those
are
the
ones
that
we
will
be
measuring
and
validating
our
goals
against
yeah,
so
some
of
the
don'ts.
So
you
should
never
link
compensation
rewards
with
okrs,
except
for
sales
teams
yeah,
so
sales
teams
get
their
goals
like
that.
H
But
then,
if,
if
you're
in
a
product,
if
you're
branding
support
marketing,
you
should
never
link
compensation
towards
okrs,
mainly
because
okrs
are
primarily
helped
in
keeping
the
stretch
goals.
So
if
you,
if,
if
you
think
that
in
swapper,
if
we
can
achieve
one
billion
in
terms
of
volume
trade
volume,
then
we
should
probably
stretch
it
a
little
bit
and
then
say
that
okay,
let's
try
to
have
a
key
result
of
one
and
a
half
billion.
H
H
You
should
never
consider
okrs
as
features
to
be
shipped
or
roadmaps,
and
should
also
not
try
setting
impossible
goals
or
unachieved,
like
100
market
share
in
the
decks.
So
we
shouldn't
try
doing
that.
Also
because
then
it
demotivates
when
we
are
reading
this
week
on
week,
then
it
kind
of
demotivates
that
yeah.
This
is
not
going
to
happen
at
all.
H
No
cool,
so
I
will
just
move
on
implementation.
So
when
a
company
decides
that
yeah,
let's,
let's
try
to
implement
okrs,
it
basically
starts
from
their
vision
and
mission
statement
why
the
company
exists
and
then
once
from
there
we
take
strategic
goals.
So
for
a
company
they
will
say
that,
okay,
for
this
year,
we
are
going
to
target
more
revenue,
more
growth
in
terms
of
user
and
in
terms
of
partnership.
H
H
So
they
said
this
and
then
that
in
turn
is
cascaded
to
the
different
squads
and
different
teams.
So
if,
if
we
yeah,
let
me
just
go
to
an
example
that
I
have
given
for
dxta.
So
yeah
elon
mentioned
that
this
would
be
one
good
company
objective.
H
So
if
the
okr
is
about
to
increase
the
usage
of
decentralized
products
that
is
built
by
within
and
in
collaboration
with
dxo,
if
this
is
the
company
objective
and
then
it
cascades
into
different
teams
like
oman,
swapper,
mesa
rails
and
all
of
the
companies
that
all
of
the
products
that
we
are
building
and
and
the
objective
for
oman
would,
since
it
is
already
launched,
it
would
be.
H
Okay,
substantially
increase
women's
usage,
so
this
would
be
an
objective
that
is
set
by
them
and
then
swapper
said
says
that
yeah,
I
will
successfully
launch
swapper,
and
these
are
the
key
results
with
which
we
measure
how
this
objective
is
met,
yeah,
so
increasing
the
number
of
unique
addresses
that
is
using
omen
by
300
percent
20
markets
with
volume
greater
than
100k
increasing.
Uniquely
I
mean
these
are
numbers
that
I
just
picked
it
out
of
thin
air.
H
Yeah,
so
basically,
company
okayers
are
set
first
and
then
squads
and
products
create
their
own
okrs
derived
from
the
company.
Okr
and
squads
also
would
plan
on
how
to
reach
the
okr.
I
mean
what
are
all
the
different
tasks
that
they
would
do
to
reach
the
okrs,
and
we
do
a
weekly
check-in
to
see
how
much?
H
How
are
we
doing
in
terms
of
okay,
or
so,
let's
say,
for
instance,
we
take
this
omens
usage,
so
substantially
increasing
omen's
usage
and
then
across
every
key
result
measure
what
the
target
should
be
and
then
you
constitute
put
in
a
value
of
how
we
are
performing,
and
that
is
it.
D
Yeah
is
there
any
questions
I
think
like
I,
I
if
you
can
stay
on
this
slide.
Thank
you.
I
think
this
is
great
like
to
increase
the
usage
of
decentralized
products
built
by
with
within
and
in
collaboration
with
it.
I
think
this
is
a
great,
let's
say,
objective.
Sorry,
like
a
goal
for
dick
style,
and
then
you
know
here
we
have
swapper
and
omen,
but
you
know
this
all
can
also
be
done
for
the
marketing
right.
D
The
marketing
can
also
create
okrs
based
on
this
kind
of
goal,
and
the
biz
dev
can
also
create
an
okr
based
in
the
school
and
it
kind
of
aligns
everyone.
You
know
to
create
to
to
decide
what
the
tasks
they're
doing
and
what
they're
putting
their
initiative
on.
Based
on
this,
though
goal-
and
you
know
this
goal-
is
an
example
but
yeah.
I
think
I
think
we
can
start
with
something
like.
A
A
D
I
would
think
we
can
maybe
figure
out,
I
don't
know
venky,
maybe
one
more
kind
of
like
goal
for
the
deep
style
and
then
you
know
ratify.
Maybe
just
the
dx
dow
goal.
You
know
within
a
proposal
and
then
you
know
omen
will
create
its
own
okrs
and
you
know
maybe
swapper
will
create
the
tonal
cards
once
they
are
made
into
like
squads.
H
I
think
we
should
have
a
consensus
on
what
the
dx
star's
objective
is
for
a
strategic
objective
and
then
from
there
every
product
every
product
will
have
its
own
okrs
and
inside
each
product
as
well.
I
mean,
if
swappers
launching
I
mean
we
should
the
support
team.
If
there
is
then
they
would
have
a
separate
okrs
and
the
engineering
team
will
have
separate
marketing
will
have
separate.
So
so
that's
why
it
is
important
that
you
know
we
have
only
one
objective
from
the
company.
H
So
when
it
nests
down
it,
would
it
would
branch
out
into
like
18
to
20
different
okrs?
Basically,
so
if
we
have
multiple,
we
did
this
mistake
when
I
was
when
you
were
doing
it
in
the
in
the
startup,
I
mean
we
had
four
okay
ours
from
the
company
and
we
should
have
more
growth.
We
should
have
more
revenue,
less
risk
retention
and
then
it
kind
of
yeah,
big.
D
So
I
think
in
this
case,
another
goal
for
the
big
style
can
be
to
improve
its
governance
and
to
decentralize
itself,
and
then,
under
that
you
could,
I
mean
I
haven't
like
very
like
clearly
defined
that,
but
you
know
under
something
like
that:
that's
kind
of
grandiose
we
wanted
to
centralize
and
want
to
build
our
governance
system.
D
C
D
Okay,
I
mean
I
think
last
was
last
week
we
discussed
what's
important
like
in
the
immediate
term.
Is
it
like
omen
usage
like
many
people
are
using
it
or
omen?
You
know
creating
revenue
or
creating.
You
know
any
sort
of
profit,
so
yeah
like
personally,
I
think
it's
okay
for
dicksdale
to
focus
on
growth
and
not
revenue
generation.
D
But
you
know
this
is.
I
guess.
C
So
I
guess,
like
I'm,
trying
to,
I
think,
like
trying
to
think
of
like
what's
the
most
like
top
level
thing
here
and
to
me,
it
seems
like
that
if
we
get
revenue
like
I'm,
not
saying
that,
that
means
we
need
to
devote
everything
to
revenue.
But
if
that's
the
guiding
light
then
like,
I
think
that
we
could
focus
on
growth
now,
because
we
know
it
will
drive
revenue
later.
But
I
just
think
in
terms
of
like
the
mandates
that
we
have
to
like
dxd
holders,
that
revenue
is
kind
of
the
guiding
light.
D
D
So
I
mean
this
is
an
interesting
question,
because
you
know
I
worked
at
a
company
that
was
doing
growth
right
and
you
know
we're
kind
of
like
a
middleman
for
something
and
we
didn't
take
any
profit
right
like
we
had
people
paying
us
and
we
were
paying
like.
We
had
advertisers
paying
us
and
we
were
paying
publishers
and
we
didn't
take
any
profit
that
was
kind
of
like
to
increase
the
revenue.
So
now
the
question
is
here:
like
let's
say:
oh
man,
we
want
omen
to
grow.
We
want
only
to
be
very
successful.
D
H
I
mean
we
could
have
a
multi-year
strategic
objective
s,
yeah
revenue
being
the
driver,
and
then
we
could
have
let's
say
for
this
year.
We
see
that
yeah.
We
need
to
have
a
bigger
user
growth
in
terms
of
in
terms
where
it
would
lead
us
to
the
revenue
that
we
are
actually
looking
forward
to
the
startup
that
I
was
working
for.
We
had
about
10k
installs
a
day,
and
then
we
were
making
zero
money
and
we
said
that.
H
Okay,
in
three
years,
we
wanted
to
start
to
monetize
from
the
apps
that
we
are
building
and
the
first
two
years
we
spent
primarily
on
growth.
I
mean
we
could.
We
could
work
like
that
as
well.
B
Yeah
chris
tier
increase,
the
number
of
people
that
have
rep
would
be
like
one
of
the
statistics
of
the
oh
bigger
than
that
is
make
allow
dx
dow
to
continue
like
oh,
allow
dxdot
to
become
a
unstoppable
decentralized
entity
that
can't
be
shut
down.
Basically,
and
one
of
the
things
to
do
that
is
our
well
a
few.
B
Our
tools
have
to
have
to
be
able
to
handle
that
our
use,
our
rep
holders
have
to
be
able
to
handle
that,
and
probably
a
few
others,
and
so
one
of
those
things
is
have
more
rep,
have
more
active
rep
holders
and
increase
the
rep
user
base.
I
guess
right
holder
base,
but
the
the
goal
of
the
increasing
rep
holders
is
to
make
it
an
unstoppable
entity.
I
think
right.
C
Well,
I
would
say,
I
think
the
reason
you
want
to
be
decentralized
is,
I
think,
like
it's
a
public
good
financial
infrastructure
is
a
public
good
and
I
don't
want
that
to
be
owned
by
centralized
entities
just
because
I
think
you
get
that
you
get
friends
seeking.
D
Yeah,
so
I
guess
the
next
steps
would
be
like.
Ideally,
we
would
start
jamming
on
this
on
this
document
venky,
if
you
can
share
it
and
create.
I
think
correct
me
for
wrong.
Thank
you,
but
we
you
know
we
should
create,
like,
like
maybe
two
more
like
general
dxdow
objectives,
which
we
kind
of
discussed
here,
yeah
and
then
yeah.
I
think
this
is
something
we
could
start.
D
I
don't
know,
maybe
hopefully,
before
the
end
of
the
month,
we
can
like
ratify
these
and
and
yeah
like
these
will
be
kind
of
like
the
dick
style
general
objectives,
and
then
the
next
step
would
be.
I
think
omen
is
like
the
first
kind
of
guild
that
is
happening
so
the
omen
guild,
creating
its
own
okrs,
drawing
memo
and
and
yeah.
I
don't
know
any
thoughts
on
this.
B
Yeah
is,
I
know,
the
latest
draft
you
had
shared
is
the
mirror,
I
think,
for
a
lot
of
people
miro
who
are
not
familiar
with
mirror
it's
a
little
difficult
to
like
edit
and
and
put
in
like
okay,
our
sentences
and
the
spacing
and
everything.
Is
there
an
easier
way
to
like
gather
these
ideas
from
the
community
than
like
the
mirror
board?
Just
I
don't
know
if
there
is.
H
H
D
Awesome,
so
for
should
we
move
on
to
the
next
topic?
Does
anyone
have
any
more.
D
D
You
yeah,
so
the
next
kind
of
topic
is
the
scaling
discussion,
mainly
arbitrarium.
I
think
they
are
the
most
progressed
and
I
think
there's
a
call
later
this
week.
I
don't
know
john,
maybe
you
won't.
You
want
to
lead
that
john
or.
A
Yeah
so
so
there
was
a
good
amount
of
discussion
about
arbitrary
product
strategy
call.
Last
friday
we
also
had
a
like
a
smaller
call
with
arbitrary
team,
including
one
of
their
co-founders
or
a
couple
of
other
full-time
members,
and
so
where
they're
at
is
they're
like
about
to
make
a
big
like
test
net
announcement
and
then
they're
aiming
to
have
their
their
system
deployed
and
reusable
from
mainnet.
On.
Like
march
1st,
I
believe
the
very
first
version.
D
A
Think
will
have
like,
like
a
multi-sig
kind
of
upgrade
abilities
as
like
a
fail
safe.
So
it
won't
be
like
the
fully
trustless
version
until
they
kind
of
pull
the
plug
on
their
multisync,
but
yeah
the
the
plan
seems
to
be
in
march
first.
A
So
so
then,
that
kind
of
sparked
this
discussion
here,
like
what's
our
our
strategy
in
terms
of
that
like
now,
obviously,
we've
deployed
to
xdi
and
and
so
we've
kind
of
been
building
up
this
knowledge
and
experience
of
deploying
the
external
stuff
to
another
chain
kind
of
like
setting
up
camp.
If
you
will
in
another
chain
or
layer,
if
it's
in
the
case,
that
would
be
an
l2
and
when
it's.
A
That,
obviously,
it
removes
a
lot
of
the
the
network
that
would
be
involved
in
rewriting
the
contracts
right,
so
armatrum
is
like
xdi,
evm,
compatible
and
so
yeah.
So
the
question
I
guess
we
were
trying
to
address
on
friday
is
like
what's
our
strategy
here,
and
I
think
that
the
general
consensus
was
that
we
should
push
ahead
with
arbitrary,
like
it's
not
by
any
means
this,
like
all-in
thing
like,
we
always
have
the
ability
to
switch
and
and
like
I
said,
it's
evm
compatible.
A
So
it's
not
like
an
immense
amount
of
work,
but
I
think
the
consensus
was
to
be
fairly
aggressive
and
like
kind
of
push,
this
partnership
with
arbitrarium
and
try
to
get
potentially
like
swapper
omen
and,
like
maybe
a
clone
of
the
governance
like
the
dow
itself
onto
barbecue
in
these
early
days.
Here.
C
Yeah
just
to
out
on
that
a
little
bit
yeah,
so
I
think
we
are
starting
to
try
to
formulate
some
generalized
l2
scalability
strategy
and
I'm
working
on
something
to
post
in
the
forum
on
that,
and
I
think
that
strategy
you
know
from
a
macro
perspective.
I
think
that
just
posted
there's,
like
700
gas
prices
right
now,
like
l2
scalability,
is
happening
in
2021.
It's
gonna,
be
you
know,
driving
product
usage
across
you
know
d5.
C
So
I
think
we
want
to
be
playing
in
that
and
have
a
very
aggressive
strategy,
and
I
think
the
strategy
now
is
kind
of
all
of
the
above
and
figuring
out
where
we
can
play
and
where
we
can
kind
of
distinguish
ourselves
a
little
bit
and
you
know
even
hearing
mason's
presentation.
I
think
that
there's
gonna
be
a
lot
of
competition
for
kind
of
the
back
end
where's
the
quarter
to
go
where,
where
does
that
all
sit?
C
But
I
think
a
key
dx
style
advantage
is
that
we
own
the
front
ends
and
the
front
ends
are
relationships
with
the
end
user
and
we
can
use
that
to
kind
of
own
that
relationship
and
you
know
be
able
to
plug
into
whatever
exists
behind
it.
But
that
means
we
need
to
stay
nimble
on
that.
So
I
think
this.
The
strategy
for
the
the
products
is,
how
can
we
make
scalability
and
l2
like
an
easy
to
use
function
of
each
of
the
products
like
maybe
swapper
distinguishes
itself
as
the
only
dex.
C
That
truly
does
offer
like
several
different
l2
solutions
right,
so
you
could
go
to
swapper
and
you
could
trade
on
ethereum
mainnet.
You
could
trade
on
xsi,
you
could
trade
on
arbitrary.
You
could
trade
on
optimism,
and
maybe
you
could
even
trade
on
a
elliptic
coin
right,
but
you're
coming
to
the
front
end
to
be
able
to
do
that.
Now.
C
That's
a
lot
of
challenges
in
terms
of
development,
ui
and
a
whole
bunch
of
things,
but
I
think
that
makes
a
lot
of
sense
and
and
given
the
seemingly
inevitable
rise
of
gas
prices,
we
need
to
move
quickly
and
so
anything
that
we
can
do
now
to
move
us
into
that
direction.
C
I
think
we
should
be.
We
should
be
moving
quickly
and
aggressively,
because
this
is
such
a
almost
existential
threat.
So
that's
why
we're
moving
quickly
on
xdi
and
that's
why?
I
think
we
need
to
move
quickly
with
arbor
drum
right
now,
because
they're
in
the
position
now,
where
they're
going
to
have
some
functionality
that
we
can
use
now
that
means
in
two
or
three
months.
C
If
optimism
is
there,
then
we
should
move
quickly
on
that
and
we'll
be
better
able
to
move
quickly
on
optimism
because
we've
done
it
on
xdi
and
because
we've
done
an
arbor
drum
there.
So
yeah,
I
think
specific
to
the
arbor
trim
is,
is
more
of
this
would
kind
of
be
billed
as
a
partnership
of
sorts
right,
because
we
would
be
participating
in
their
test
net
and
I
think
that's
they're
going
to
try
to
do
some
some
press
around
that.
So
I
think
we
had
posted
about
this.
C
Oh
we,
as
john
said,
we
talked
about
on
the
product
strategy
call
on
friday,
and
then
I
posted
a
thread
about
this
on
friday.
So
I
imagine
that
we
will
do
some
marketing
press
around
geek
style,
launching
swapper
or
the
dow
itself
on
arbor
drum,
so
just
wanted
to
kind
of
check
double
check.
What
people
hear
in
terms
of
that,
like
marketing
partnership
angle
on
whether
there's
anything
we
should
be
thinking
of
or
or
driving
driving
this
this
forward
over
over
the
next
couple.
C
Weeks
so
we'll
probably,
I
think,
have
a
call,
I
think
it's
wednesday.
10
a.m
was
where
we
were
floating
10
a.m:
eastern
3
p.m,
ut
1500,
utc
time
on
wednesday,
is
kind
of
the
the
one
right
now
and
then
I
imagine
out
of
that,
we
will
have
some
we'll
try
to
make
some
announcement
from
dx.
C
Dow
they'll
presumably
make
some
an
arbitrary
some
announcement
there,
and
that
announcement
will
probably
say
that
we're
launching
swapper,
dx,
dow
and
maybe
omen
on
arbor
trunk,
but
definitely
I
think,
swapper
and
dx,
dow,
at
least
from
on
the
test
net.
C
Excuse
me
and
I
think
that's
a
good
position
for
us
to
be
strategically
like
long-term,
with
with
having
arbitrarium
as
a
possibility
for
our
products,
and
I
think
it's
also
a
good
like
short-term
marketing
buzz
to
be
able
to
like
have
some
have
a
l2
play
and
be
involved
in
that
and
show
that
we're
moving
into
that
direction.
So
I
don't
think
there
should.
I
don't
think
there
really
is
any
downside
to
doing
this.
C
There
is
a
little
bit
of
a
we're
just
announcing
partnerships,
but
I
think
this
is
a
good
opportunity
for
us
and
it's
a
real
thing
that
we
can
hopefully
get
some
hopefully
have
some
cool
products
or
cool
products.
Out
of
this.
A
Yeah
and
well,
it
would
be
like
an
announcement
at
first.
We
do
have
now
like
a
proven
track
record
of
deploying
stuff
to
xdian,
with
the
latest
omen
release
like
omen
itself
will
also
be
on
xday,
so
I
think
it's
we
kind
of
can
demonstrate
that
real
momentum
towards
you
know
this,
and
then
you
know
this
could
be
like
us
kind
of
putting
a
stake
in
the
sand.
Saying
like
we
are
also
like
working
towards
an
l2
deployment
right
that
ties
security
to
ethereum
and
not
just
the
sidechain,
and
I
don't
know
if
any.
C
A
Yeah
I
mean
it
was
like
14
to
do
a
basic
transaction
yeah
like
now,
it's
like
even
using
dow
stack,
is
becoming
like
you
know,
a
significant
percentage
of
your
paycheck
just
to
do
the
proposal,
so
I
think
the
imperative
is
there
right
and-
and
I
think,
if
we
look
there's
actually
was
just
reading
over
yesterday
over
delphi
digital
did
a
layer
to
report
it.
It's
actually
pretty
good.
A
I
think
it
might
be
behind
their
paywall,
but
maybe
we
could
figure
out
if,
if
there's
a
way
to
get
people
access
to
that,
because
given
that
they're
like
a
takes
down
investor
and
part
of
the
community,
but
they
do
a
pretty
good
job
of
breaking
it
down
in
terms
of
like
what
the
different
types
of
scalability
solutions
are.
A
And
so,
if
you
look
at
this
category
of
optimistic
roll-ups
right,
what's
appealing
about
them,
is
the
ability
to
essentially
take
gaps
from.
You
know:
smart
contracts
from
ethereum
and
simply
just
like
deploy
them,
as
almost
like
with
us,
the
same
type
of
developer,
experience
on
their
chain
and
and
their
ability
to
support
the
full
like
range
of
evm
capabilities,
and
that's,
in
contrast
to
like
the
zk
roll
ups,
which
have
more
limited
capabilities
or
the
plasma
type
implementations
and
then
so.
A
So
that's
kind
of
like
when
you
see
how
d5
works
and
all
the
interoperability
that
optimistic,
roll-up
approach
does
like
become
appealing
right,
like
at
least
in
theory
and
the
two
main
projects
that
I
think
fuel
is
maybe
a
third
one,
but
like
optimism
and
arbitrary,
were
the
ones
that
I'm
like
familiar
with
and
from
what
I
can
see.
I
think
optimism
has
been
louder
right,
like
they've
been
out
there
and
making
big
announcements,
they've
gotten
more
attention,
they're
kind
of
the
cool
kids,
they
know
metallic
and
all
that
something
a
paradigm.
A
But
I
think
when
you
actually
look
at
what
has
has
happened
to
where
the
teams
are,
it
seems
that
off
chain
labs
with
arbitrary
is
actually
further
ahead.
So
I
I
would
say
I
am
more
bullish
that
arbitrom
is
going
to
ship
and
have
something
like
workable
on
midnight,
both
probably
well
before
optimism.
E
I
feel
like
I
should
hop
in
here:
yeah,
listen,
know
something.
No,
I
mean
I
think
you're
right,
but
my
my
own.
The
only
thing
that
I
add
to
that
I
might
have
mentioned
it
friday
is
the
community
and
the
capital
behind
optimism.
I
think,
are
huge
to
think
about,
like
I
think,
if
they,
when
they
do
get
whatever
they
get
going.
You
know
at
some
point.
E
It
they'll
get
something
and
it'll
when
you
have
vitalik
and
all
of
their
investors
behind
all
of
that,
like
the
slide,
I
mentioned,
like
liquidity
matters
more
than
tech,
but
you
have
to
ship
something
right.
It's
like
and
that's
sort
of
I
mean
that's
the
reason.
One
of
the
reasons
of
starting
elliptical
is
like
that's.
E
Why
I
want
to
like
see
real
working
software
and
but
yeah
they're
they're,
going
to
get
there
right,
like
with
all
of
that,
with
all
of
that
clout
and
the
connected
stuff
that
like
and
all
that
you
can
raise
money
and
you
can
hire
people
and
they
they
will
eventually
get
there
and
yeah.
I
think
for
dx
dow
it's
a
matter
of
like,
like
you
say
you
don't
have
to
go
all
in
on.
You
know
you
can
build
on
arbitrage
and
be
like
hey.
E
We
have
this
thing
working
on
arbitrary
and
it's
not
as
long
as
you're,
not
cutting
yourself
off
from
eventually,
like
oh
optimism
is
the
winner.
Then
you
move
over
to
optimism.
A
A
Yeah,
I
think
I
think
you're
totally
right.
So
I
what
I'm
anticipating
is
there's
going
to
be
this
like
window
of
like
arbitrary
launches
and
then
optimism
is
going
to
follow
right
and,
like
I
think,
you're
totally
right,
like
they're,
going
to
throw
they've
they're
lining
up
these
partnerships
with
some
of
the
main
d5
players.
They've
got
paradigm.
They've
got
you
know,
buds
metallic
that
that's
gonna
like
come
to
bear,
and
so
then
I
think
the
question
is
is
like
in
that
window.
A
Do
things
shift
into
arbitrary's
favor,
because
it's
live
and
like
I
could
see
you
know,
700
quit,
like
literally
you
know,
15
bucks
to
do
a
transaction
just
simply
send
something
on
if
that
might
be
the
right
conditions,
like
kind
of
shift
things
in
arbitrary's
favor.
But
in
any
case
I
don't
think
it's
like
that
expensive
for
geeks
out
to
make
that
it's
almost
like
a
low
cost
call
option
on
arbor
from
winning
right
like
and
if
they
don't
and
like
optimism
does
come
in
and
like
just
like
pulls
them
over.