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B
Hello
and
welcome
to
the
first
business
meeting
of
2021.
today
is
monday
january
4th
and
today
for
the
agenda
we'll
have
new
member
introduction.
A
brief
introduction
of
the
okr
that
zenki
and
myself
have
been
working
on
the
discussion
on
layer.
Two
will
be
a
discussion
that
kind
of
continues
from
last
week
on
how
does
the
excel
collaborate
incubate
partner
with
other
entrepreneurs,
communities
or
you
know,
companies
it's
in
one
of
the
goals
of
dxdow
to
support
like
open
source
projects
and
and
startups.
B
So
you
can
bring
someone
with
that
as
well.
So
yeah
do
we
have
anyone
new?
I
don't
think
so.
Thank
you.
You
did
introduce
yourself
last
meeting,
I
think
yeah.
Well,
maybe
do
you
want
to
share?
Thank
you,
maybe
or
kind
of
like
your
experience
or
history
with
okrs,
because
that's
kind
of
interesting.
C
Yeah,
I
could
do
that
so
about
five.
Six
years
back,
I
was
working
in
a
startup
and
we
were
acquired
by
we
were.
We
were
having
investments
from
planet
perkins,
so
john
doe
was
there
giving
us
training
about
okr.
So
that
was
my
first
introduction
with
grahams
and
I
was
having
a
product
where
we
wanted
to
grow
from,
like
10
000
installs
in
a
month
to
about
200
000
installs
in
a
year,
and
we
were
not
using
any
sort
of
goals.
C
Basically,
we
didn't
have
any
objectives
we
were
just
developing
and
then
we
were
yeah
you're
feeling
the
feet
in
the
water.
But
after
having
okay
hairs,
it
was
it
was
giving
us
like
razor
sharp
focus
towards
what
we
want
to
achieve
and
yeah.
But
but
I
have
I
told
this
to
nylon
as
well.
I
was
working
a
very
centralized
organization
where
the
directions
came
from
top
down,
so
yeah.
C
B
Yeah,
so
I
think
I
mean
I've
said
this
a
couple
of
times,
but
I
think,
like
oh,
the
structure
of
all
okrs
and
goal
setting.
Is
it
really
fits
well
with
a
dao
because,
let's
say
in
google
it
like?
Basically,
the
okrs
of
everyone
is
exposed
to
everyone,
so
every
company,
every
department,
even
you,
know,
senator
pichai
and
and
the
other
guy
they
had,
basically
they
all
their
okr's
open
for
yeah
for
everyone.
B
So
I
think
this
this
kind
of
aligns
as
well
with
you
know
the
kind
of
open
nature
of
dao's
and
the
fact
that
we
are
we're
we
are
looking
into
you
know
this
whole
squad
things
and-
and
you
know
breaking
it
down
to
to-
let's
say
lower
sort
of-
I
don't
know
if
management
but
lower
levels
of
coordination,
kind
of
fits
well.
A
Sorry
related
to
related
to
like
applying
it
to
daos
the
the
cool
like
you
picture.
This
end
vision
of
like
hundreds
or
thousands
of
people
contributing
to
the
exile
right
and
the
thing
we
haven't
had
so
far
because
we
were
new
and
young
and
small
is
there's
no
like
agreed-upon
vision
like
that
everyone
can
see
and
look
towards.
So
when
you
have
these
goals
and
if
they're
agreed
upon
by
the
community
already,
you
could
see
how
people
that
come
in
or
see
like
the
vision
of
what
the
dow
is
moving
towards.
A
Can
it's
easier
for
them
to
get
involved
because
they
could
see
one
one
piece
of
one
of
okay?
They
can
be.
Oh,
I
could.
I
could
contribute
to
that
okr
for
sure
and
without
worrying
about
the
rest
of
the
things
they
could.
They
could
easily,
I
think
more
easily
get
involved
so
having
like
that
agreed
upon
okr
vision,
whether
it's
through
it's
really,
okay,
ours
or
just
like
end
goals
and
vision.
I
think
it
helps.
B
Yeah
100,
so
we
actually
started
so
maybe
vinky.
Do
you
want
to
share
your
screen
or
should
I
do
it.
C
D
C
All
right,
so
let
me
start
with.
C
So
yeah,
basically
when,
whenever
we
want
to
start
setting
up
okrs,
we
go
from
the
goals
of
what
the
organization
is
so
for
dxta.
We
should
we,
we
should
have
certain
goals
and
then
once
we
have
agreed
upon
the
goals,
then
we
set
organizational
objectives
so
yeah
the
organizational
objectives
for
the
dao
could
be.
C
There
was
one
sentence
that
that
elon
was
mentioning
that
yeah
to
create
a
governance
system
that
will
allow
dxstar
to
scale
and
thrive,
so
keeping
that
as
an
objective,
then
we
will
have
to
come
up
with
key
results,
and
these
key
results
should
be
measurable,
measurable
in
terms
of
how
we
are
progressing.
So
basically,
if
I,
if
I
keep
my
objective
as
start
exercising
this
year,
you
know
and
the
key
results
should
be
okay,
how
many
days
of
exercise
that
I
am
I'm
planning
to
do
this
here.
C
E
C
B
C
Yeah
and
then
we
could,
after
after
we
have
given
up
given
the
objectives
and
key
results,
and
then
we
could
drill
that
down
to
different
products.
So
basically
I've
taken
just
omen
and
swapper
for
now
so
omen,
swapper
and
then
we
add
individual
objectives
and
then
how
these
objectives
would
in
turn
satisfy
the
company-wise
objectives.
And
then
these
could
also
become
the
quarterly
objectives
and
for
every
objective
and
key
result.
We
will
have
to
have
initiatives
that
is
being
that.
That
will
enable.
C
The
key
results
to
become
100,
so
this
is
the
basic
idea
of
how
a
goal
is
set
and
then
from
there
how
we
drive
objectives
and
then
how
it
trickles
down
to
different
products
and
then
at
the
squad
level
as
well,
I
mean
when
I
mention
squad
level,
it
could
be
marketing
and
branding
that
will
have
its
own
objectives
and
key
results.
That
comes
down
from
one
of
the
product
keys,
product
objectives
and
then
tech
and
engineering
will
have
something.
There
will
be
something
for
customer
support.
C
A
Real
q,
real
quick
on
on
this
on
this,
what
you
just
showed,
what's
what's
the
best
way
to
fill
this
out?
Is
it
like
everyone
kind
of
fills
this
out
on
their
own?
You
come
together
as
a
group,
and
then
you,
through
consensus,
like
everyone,
share
and
then
agree
on
what
these
things
should
be
filled
out
or
or
do
you
like
sit
down
together
from
scratch
and
fill
this
out.
C
Yeah-
and
that's
that's
that's
where
I
have
my
doubts
because
for
for
when
I
was
working
for
the
startup,
it
came
top
down,
so
we
had
company
groups,
so
the
company
said
that
yeah
we
want
to
start
monetizing
by
the
end
of
the
year.
We
should
have
revenue
of
so
and
so
by
the
end
of
the
year.
So
we
had
these
company
goals
that
were
set
out,
but
then,
when
it
comes
to
dollar
I
have
I
haven't,
worked
with
doves.
C
So
this
is
only
like
two
weeks
that
I
have
been
involved,
so
I
don't
know
how
how
the
goals
are
structured,
how
how
these
alignments
work
on.
But
if
you
have
have
those
I
think
for
for
that
to
be
done.
In
my
limited
knowledge,
I
think
we
should
have
calls
where
we
agree
on
agree
on
a
goal
and
this
company
level
objective.
B
Yeah,
so
my
thoughts
with
this
is
that
you
know
venky
and
I
were
we
tried
to
have
a
bit
more
content
before
coming,
but
you
know
we
both
got
caught
up
in
some
things,
but
I
think,
like
the
way
I
see
this
unfolding
is
you
know
we
have
a
small
kind
of
working
group
to
structure
like
a
first
version
and
then
we
could
have
iterations
on
it.
B
We
should
I
mean,
ideally,
we
should
have
kind
of
like
agreed
upon
okrs
for
q1
by
the
end
of
the
month
and
then
beginning
of
q2.
We
can,
you
know,
go
and
review
these
okrs
change
them
and
you
know
see
how
we
succeeded
and
then
change
them.
I
guess
that
would
be
like
in
march
april,
so
like
first,
we
start
with
like
a
small
working
group
and
then
expand
that
to
everyone
again,
you
know
the
this.
B
G
Yeah
I
mean
I
mean
it
makes
sense
it
makes
like
it.
I
see
the
d
style
okay
as
like
a
very
broad
and
like
a
very
broad
goals
list,
and
this
I
guess
like
thinking
simply
about
it
decentralization
process
and
revenue
process
and
then
like
setting
clear
goals
which
is
not
really
connected
to
any
squads
or
guilds.
But
it's
rather
like
an
invitation
for
all
the
guilds
about
like
okay.
G
This
is
the
global
goal
and
a
signal
to
the
guilds
to
actually
achieve
it
and
then
and
interestingly,
the
goals
could
also
be
just
simply
prediction
markets
right
and
allow
those
guilds
to
be
bullish
on
achieving
those
goals
to
actually
like
participate
on
those
prediction
markets
to
even
win
more
for
the
guild.
B
That's
very
meta,
I
think,
like.
I
think
it
would
be
great
to
actually
you
know
start
with
something
like
this.
I
don't
wanna,
I
it
might
complicate
it,
but
you
know
I'm
I'm
all
for
it,
and
so.
G
B
So
I
I
think
that
we
should
like
we
should
first
kind
of
try
like
we
tried
taking
to
take
the
manifesto
and
then
maybe
you
know,
get
a
couple
of
goals
from
that
that
are
kind
of
like
actionable
for
the
exact
let's
say
for
2021.,
for
example,
you
know
you
know:
dxdot
wants
to
create,
deploy
and
govern
revenue
generating
the
centralized
product.
That's
kind
of
like
you
know
very
up
there.
It
doesn't
really
say
anything,
but
that's
like
the
yearly
goal
of
the
excel
right.
B
And
then,
if
you
break
that
down-
and
you
know
you're
an
omen,
then
you
you
know
you
already
have
your
your
product
is
already
deployed.
So
now
you
you're
thinking
about
the
revenue
generating
one.
So
maybe
a
goal
for
omen.
That's
just
like
a
subset
of
the
dx
dow
goal
is
to
be
randomly
generating
or
to
be
revenue
generating
in
2021
and
then
a
and
kpi
for
that
or
like
a
key
result,
would
be
for
all
men
to
you
know
generate.
B
I
don't
know
ten
thousand
dollars
worth
of
revenue
in
2021.,
so
kind
of
like
we'd,
be
defining
the
like
the
top
goals
and
then
you
know,
there's
kind
of
like
bottom
lap.
Bottom
up
action
as
well,
because
it's
top
top
down
with
you
know
the
external
goals
and
bottom
up
from
like
the
individual
squads.
How
do
they
align
with
the
specific
goals
and
we're
still
a
tiny
organization?
I
think
so
we
can't
do
it.
A
With
omen
as
an
example,
what
that
lets
you
do
is
as
a
community,
you
you,
it's
very
clear.
Is
your
goal
to
get
to
1
million
users
first,
or
is
your
goal
to
generate
50
000
of
revenue,
because
those
are
those
could
be
two
different
approaches
right,
and
so
this
allows
you
to
focus,
and,
I
would
say,
user
growth
at
this
point
is
more
important
than
smaller
revenue,
but
that's
what
this
would
help
decide
right.
B
B
So
that's
kind
of
that
and
then
you
know
we
can
have
like
another.
I
don't
know
the
external
goal.
That's
you
know,
support
the
growth,
an
ecosystem
of
decentralized
products.
So
you
know
the
excel
wants
to
deploy
additional
decentralized
products
of
its
own.
The
dixton
wants
to
incubate
the
excel,
wants
to
work
with
or
support
other
products,
and
then
you
know
having
yeah,
basically
trickle
down
kind
of
objectives
and
and
key
results
for
each
one
of
these.
B
B
E
B
So
in
the
traditional
way
of
setting
up
okrs,
you
shouldn't
be
fulfilling
like
100
of
them
like
that
means
that
you
undershot
or
like
under
aimed
for
where
you
are
you're
supposed
to
be
around.
Let's
say
you
know
we
want
to
it's
very
easy
to
say:
let's
say
you
know
user
base
for
omen
right
like
we
want
to
get
a
hundred
thousand
unique
addresses,
for
example
like
in
most
cases
we
won't
reach
that,
like
you
know,
I
think
the
the
playbook
kind
of
says
that
you
want
to
aim.
B
You
want
to
put
a
goal
that
you
think
you
can
make
it
to
70
of
it
and
then,
if
you,
if
you
succeeded,
then
you
know
that's
great
and
that's
that's
kind
of
like
I
guess
how
you
build
it
in
terms
of
like
how
do
you
incentivize
people
to
go
to
like
actually
achieve
these,
then
I
mean,
I
guess,
a
prediction
market
that
actually
rewards
in
the
case
of
success.
To
that
specific
squad
I
mean
that
could
be
like
an
interesting.
H
G
Yeah
and
also
it's
always
like,
I
think,
those
okay-
I
don't
like-
I
don't-
I
never
done
okay,
so
I
think,
like
I
don't
know
much
about
them,
but
how
often
do
you
set
those
objectives
like?
Is
it
per
quarter?
Is
it
per
road
map
yeah.
G
G
Combine
those
I
mean
they're,
basically
like
part
of
the
roadmap
right,
I
guess,
inside
the
roadmap,
there
should
be
like
a
okr
defined
for
the
next
quarter.
C
Just
for
the
product,
but
then
when
you
have
your
objectives
and
key
results,
you
actually
see
that.
Okay,
this
is
the
goal
that
I
want,
how
my
users
will
use
the
product
and
and
that's
the
difference
in
the
way
that
you
see
it.
B
Yeah,
I,
I
would
add
them,
maybe
like
okrs
in
this
way,
they're
kind
of
like
a
like
an
arrow,
that's
directing
like
like
when
you're
building
the
road
map.
Oh,
like
we're,
focusing
our
okrs
that
we
decided
as
users
are
not
revenue,
so
we
should
focus
on
features
that
are,
you
know,
related
to
users
or
not
revenue,
it's
kind
of
like
like
a
direction
that
aligns
everyone
into
the
style
towards
something,
and
this
is
especially
important
when
you
have
like
different
departments
right.
B
If
you
know
we
have
a
marketing
department
or
business
department,
they
they
should
also
be
aligned
to
these
goals.
Like
we
want
to
get
a
hundred
thousand
users
to
omit,
then
the
marketing
department
will
have
an
objective
for
that
as
well.
So
you
know,
and
and
then
they
can,
you
know
in
their
okrs
for
the
marketing
department.
They'll
have
okay,
we
want
to
release
in
2020
or
in
q1
at
least
three
articles
about
omen,
so
yeah
like
just
as
an.
B
We
will
have.
I
hope
that
we'll
have
something
like
a
bit
more
coherent
by
next
week,
like
we
just
started
and
both
venky
and
I
didn't
have
enough
time
to
to
actually
go
over
it
again
after
after
we
had
a
call
about
this.
So.
A
A
Well,
maybe
for
a
working
group
first,
so
it's
not
coming
from
all
different
squads,
I
guess
and
then
and
then
that's
shared
with
the
overall
community
and
then
it's
revised
from
there
after
feedback
and
stuff.
B
Yeah
yeah,
I
I
think
this.
This
should
be
the
way
I
kind
of
want
to
get
like
a
working
group
going.
I
just
feel
like
personally
for
me,
like
the
the
evenings,
are
so
packed
that
it's
kind
of
difficult
to
work
with
anyone
in
the
u.s
like
to
have
any
more
hours
with
anyone
in
the
u.s.
So
it's
it's
kind
of
comfortable
for
me
with
venky
that
he's
in
europe
as
well.
So
maybe
we
should
have
like,
like
a
u.s
team
and
a
europe
team
like
working
on
these.
B
B
Yeah,
I
guess
federico
yeah.
His
comment
is
that
it
should
be
the
incentive-
and
I
guess,
yeah-
that
makes
total
sense.
I
I
B
Yeah
yeah,
I
I
think
we
should
have
like
once
a
quarter.
We
should
have
like
an
okr
meeting
that
might
be
longer
might
be
taking
over
some
other
meetings,
but
it's
good
that
everybody
is
in
line
and
everybody
knows
like
which
way
we're
going.
Especially
since
this
is
you
know
a
fully
decentralized
organization
and.
I
Yeah,
I
think,
from
the
product
side,
we
will
have
like
it's
easier,
it's
easier
to
see
the
the
bigger
picture
and
it's
easy
to
look
at
the
different
products
and
see
what
their
goals
are
and
align
like
it.
It's
good
that
we
will
like
align
all
our
goals
into
one
mega
goal.
That
is
a
company
goal.
I
I
We
just
look
at
how
we
went
from
not
working
with
misa
to
oh
mises
in
portland
in
like
a
couple
of
months,
so
I
think
quarter
quarterly,
for
us
now
makes
sense,
and
maybe
in
the
future,
we'll
do
like
yearly
when
we
are
like
more
aligned
already.
B
B
F
Yeah,
I
just
wanted
to
say
I
think
it
looks
really
good
and
I,
like
kind
of
the
structure
around
it
and
just
like
with
the
with
these
things.
It's
I
think
it's
all
about
the
process
of
us
going
through
this
and
talking
about
what
we
want
to
do
so
yeah,
looking
forward
to
kind
of
how
that
process
unfolds.
B
Awesome
any
other
comments,
or
should
I
move
on
to
the
next
topic.
G
That
we
have
yeah,
I'm
just
curious.
What
are
the
like?
The
action
items
now
about
about
that,
like
yeah,
if
there
is
a
working
group
established?
What
do
we
want
to
see
out
of
this
is.
B
Yeah,
so
I
want
to
continue
working
with
venky
I
mean
anyone
else
is
welcome
to
join
and
we'll
start
with
kind
of
like
structuring
the
first
couple
of
like.
Let's
call
it
like
mock
okrs
for
the
quarter,
we'll
share
the
mirror
board,
and
maybe
I'll
even
open,
like
a
key
base
chat
specifically
for
that.
H
B
H
It's
something
I've
been
thinking
a
little
bit
about,
and
I
wanted
to
bring
it
up
here,
so
we
could
at
least
like
kind
of
share
our
thoughts
on
like
you
know
how
people
are
viewing
it
as
important.
I
think,
with
you
know,
especially
over
the
weekend,
seeing
the
eighth
price
now
above
a
thousand-
and
you
know
gas
costs
going
into
like
hundreds
of
way
like
yeah,
I
mean
simple.
H
Transfers
are
now
like
five
to
ten
dollars
like
trading
on
uni
swaps,
like
tens
of
dollars
like
things,
are
getting
crazy
and
they
could
get
even
crazier
right,
like
you
could,
if
the
bull
market
kind
of
sustains
it
keeps
going,
things
could
get
even
worse.
So
I
think
it
sort
of
highlights
the
importance
of
l2,
and
I
mean
you
see
like
lr
loop
rings,
that
hits
price
is
doing
very
well
right
now
and
obviously
they're
a
great
solution.
H
So
I
think
just
kind
of
like
at
a
high
level
where
I'm
at
and
thinking
about
this
I'll
just
try
to
like
run
over
it
right.
Like
you,
I
think
we
have
essentially
there's
like
three
categories
of
of
things
that
we're
looking
at
right.
There's
like
the
zk
roll
ups,
there's
optimistic
roll
ups
and
then
there's
side
chains
right
and
so
to
kind
of
cover
like
what
those
are
and
where
those
are
at
like
optimistic,
roll-ups
aren't
live
yet
right.
Ck
roll-ups,
we
have
loop
ring.
Starkware
has
done
some
stuff
that
that's
live.
H
Their
trust
model
is
a
little
bit
different,
they're
great
because
they
they
have
exit
games
and
you
can
kind
of
trust
the
security
of
ethereum.
With
your
deposits,
you
can,
if
blueprint
goes
offline,
then
you
could
still
get
your
money
out.
Basically
right
and
so
that's
great,
except
what
you
can
do
on
a
zk
roll
up
is
pretty
limited.
C
H
It's
kind
of
limited
to
that
to
dexes,
then
you
have
like
the
side
chains
that
are
live
now
we
have
xdi.
Some
of
our
stuff
is
on
it.
You
have
matic,
which
spoke
on
the
last
biz
dev
call
right,
so
both
and
I
kind
of
listened
to
you
know.
I
listened
to
the
most
of
the
epicenter
podcast
thematic
that
helped
me
kind
of
understand
what
they
were
doing
in
the
for
your
context.
Here,
they're
actually
doing
multiple
things,
so
you
can
kind
of
think
of
them.
H
I
think
as
like
they
have
like
their
own
version
of
an
act
like
a
x-9
style,
proof-of-stake
side-chain.
I
think
it
has
some
differences
and
they're
also,
in
addition
to
doing
like
that,
doing
something
where
there
is
exit
games
like
that's
more
like
plasma,
but
again
that's
pretty
limited
and
what
you
can
actually
do
with
the
exit
style
games.
You
have
to
write
like
a
special
predicate
for
the
types
of
interactions
you
want
to
have
so
not
general
purpose
again
right
so,
like
so
matic
sort
of
bridging.
H
You
know
both
worlds
here,
where
they're
they're
doing
like
proof
of
stake
style
thing
and
like
something,
that's
very
that
has
exit
games,
but
is
limited,
so
yeah,
so
side
chains,
ck,
roll-ups
and
then
the
last
thing
is
like
these
optimistic
roll-ups,
which
should
be
kind
of
general
purpose
like
almost
fully
evm
compatible.
H
Nothing
is
live
yet,
although
I
think
some
of
you
may
have
seen
that
optimism
made
an
announcement
that
they're
doing
a
preliminary
launch
onto
mainnet
in
partnership
with
synthetics
in
a
couple
of
weeks,
synthetics
is
gonna
have
like
the
upgrade
keys.
So
it's
not
trustless
like
I
don't.
I
don't
think
this
is
like
a
fully
operational
main
net
launcher
and
I
think
they're
they're,
probably
more
just
trying
to
like
steal
some
thunder
here
with
announcements,
but
you
know
I
saw
also
the
article
that
they
were
hoping
to
get
to
maine
up
for
like
march.
H
I
think,
within
a
more
without
broader
use,
cases
not
entirely
sure
there
and
then
arbitrarum
is
the
other
one.
H
As
I
understand
it,
they're
probably
further
ahead
than
optimism,
although
they're
less
flashy
and
less
loud
about
it,
and
we
have
a
telegram
group
with
them-
they're
hoping
yeah
they're
hoping
to
be
on
mainnet
in
march
and
they're
not
doing
this
like
partnership
thing
that,
like
optimism,
is
doing,
there's
keeping
it
open
right,
so
they're
looking
to
work
with
teams
and
help
with
them
and
like
do
some
announcements
and
stuff
but
they're
not
like
restricting
any
particular
phase
to
anything
right.
So
so
that's
kind
of
my
general
understanding,
I
don't
know.
H
A
A
But
we
should
I
it's
hard
to
think
about
like
nier
and
cosmos
for
dx
dow's,
immediate
term
goals,
I
think
like
going
like
a
good
step,
would
be
arbitrarum
test
net
that
we're
talking
about
like
putting
some
one
of
the
products
on
there
and
seeing
how
that
works
on
test
net
would
be
a
good
first
step.
F
Yeah,
just
like
a
couple
comments
for
one
just
on
skye's
last
point,
I
think
all
of
these
options
come
down
to
one
thing
and
that's
the
bridge
to
ethereum
right
like
how
quick
is
that,
how
secure
is
it
and
how
often
it
will
be
used.
So
I
think
I'm
evaluating
that.
That's
really
kind
of
to
me
the
most
important
thing
I
think.
F
Second,
I
think
we're
really
looking
for
a
partner
here
and
that's
it
in
part
due
to
where
we
are,
I
think,
in
this
development
cycle,
because
it's
not
like
all
of
these
are
existing
there.
We
can
evaluate
all
the
options
and
weigh
and
just
kind
of
choose
one.
We
would
kind
of
grow
with
this
with
this
kind
of
organ,
I
think,
if
you
look
at
what
we've
done
already
like
loopering,
I
consider
that
you
know
a
partner
relationship,
obviously
that
kind
of
had
with
rails
next.
F
I
think
this
kind
of
part
relationship
to
be
anything
we're
working
with
we
should
we
should
be
looking
kind
of
for
a
partnership
there.
I
say.
Lastly,
it
kind
of
it
comes
down
to
how
we
can
coordinate
liquidity
across
these
different
things,
and
I
think
that's
something
that
we
can
be.
F
H
F
I
think
omen
it's
less,
it's
more
important
it
actually,
I
think
matters
less,
which
l2
or
sidechain
is
used,
because
it's
kind
of
like
omen
is,
I
don't
know
you
know
of
itself
like
just
by
having
lower
transaction
costs.
That
itself
could
dry
it,
but
I
think,
like
for
swapper,
it's
more
of
like
a
distinguishing
feature
specifically
on
like
the
potential
l2s,
but
I'm
really
optimistic
on
on
arbitron.
I
think
partially
because
I
think
like
we
do
want
to
move
into
a
like.
F
I
think,
evm
compatibility
is,
is
super
important
in
this,
and
so
I
think
evm
and
security,
and
then
I
think,
I'm
not
sure
if
they're
further,
along
than
optimism
or
not,
you
know
we
can
maybe
an
open
market
for
for
that.
But
I
think
arbor
trump
is
going
would
be
a
better
partner
to
build
with
than
optimism
just
because
optimism
is
a
little
too
crowded.
H
Already
yeah
I
mean
I
guess
to
that
point
like
arbitrary
was
pretty
willingly.
I
got
intro
to
what
their
business
guy
like
a
couple
weeks
ago
or
last
week
or
forget,
but
that
he
created
a
telegram
group
that
a
bunch
of
us
are
in
now
and
it's
kind
of
like
their
whole
team
on
it
more
or
less
so
they
seem
pretty
interested
or
willing
to
work
together.
J
F
No,
I
I
really
think
we
should
make
it
over.
I
was
thinking
about
this,
like
I
would
love
to
bet
on
that
as
like
indicator
for
what
we
should
be
doing.
I
would
venture.
J
J
C
F
I,
I
would
venture
to
say
the
l2
landscape
will
look
awfully
similar
to
the
centralized
exchange
landscape
in
terms
of
market
share
right
because
it's
actually
the
same
kind
of
dynamics
where
liquidity
is
fragmented
there.
So
obviously,
like
finance
has,
like
you
know,
60
70
of
the
market
share,
but
there's
lots
of
other
centralized
exchanges
that
exist
and
will
and
like
make
money
and
can
kind
of
function
in
their
own
ecosystems.
Maybe
it's
geographic
or
regional,
but
I
think
it's
yeah.
F
I
think
the
comparison
and
I
would
like
to
skype
point
I
would
include
like
near
cosmos,
whatever
even
two
eventually
in
this,
that,
like
I
see
those
yeah,
not
maybe
not
as
a
winner,
take
all
but
like
a
definitely
a
dominant
player,
but
I
think
from
geek
styles
perspective
that
won't
come
for
a
couple
years
and
I
think
the
switching
costs
to
us
are
pretty
low
because
we're
not
going
to
be
investing
any
hardware
and
we
can
move
the
liquidity
around.
F
H
A
One
tricky
thing
with
our,
I
guess
omen
would
be
the
main
product,
because
omin
is
made
up
of
so
many
pieces
even
like
onto
x-die.
It's
been
it's
taken
a
lot
longer
and
it
will
be
the
same
for
all
of
those,
because
the
infrastructure
that
lets
omen
run
unless
we
have
a
dumber
version
of
it.
Dumb
down
version
where,
like
dx
dows
does
every
like
is
the
arbitrator
is
the
oracle
everything
you
need
all
of
the
pieces,
including
gnosis,
conditional
token
framework
to
be
on
those
chains.
A
So
it's
it's
hard
to
just
say
like
let's
take
omen
and
try
it
on
a
few
different
alternatives
like
it
doesn't
work
like
that,
so
the
question
is:
could
we
is
it
easier
with
swapper
or-
or
I
guess?
No-
it's
not
like.
Swapper
only
works
on
mainnet,
because
that's
where
all
the
tokens
are,
so
we
don't
really
have
one
that
you
can
just
like
games.
A
All
these
games
are
going
to
matic,
like
80
of
the
things
that
are
going
to
matter
are
games
because
they
have
abstracted
away
like
blockchain
and
when
you're
using
the
game
like
it's
fine,
if
the
assets
in
the
game
are
automatic,
it
doesn't
matter
like
you
just
connect
to
matic
but
like
if
that
doesn't
work
for
omen.
So
that's
another
difficult
obstacle.
I
think.
G
Yeah,
so
I
would
agree
and
there's
like
several
aspects
here,
like
the
fact
that
all
my
markets
are
like
unlimited
means
that
we
could
actually
like
even
transition
completely
away
from
mainnet
and
make
sure
that
the
product
is
on
some
l2.
The
the
issue
with
like
I.
I
would
disagree
that
it
like
the
reason
why
we're
why
it
takes
longer
on
exeter
is
because
we
have
the
mainnet
security
on
claros,
like
we
are
using
actually
the
clerus
bridge.
G
That
was
the
main
obstacle
to
to
go
ahead
with
extern,
but
if
they,
if
the
geekster
will
clone
itself
on
on
arbitrary,
I
don't
expect
that
claros
will
be
available.
So
the
fact
that
those
omen
like,
if
you
imagine
we
would
also
move
omen
to
average
room,
I
expect
that
the
geeksdale
will,
at
the
beginning,
be
the
main
arbitrator,
sorry,
the
main
oracle
and
arbitrator
for
for
omen
markets.
G
So
that
will
be
easier
for
us
and
the
fact
that
we
already
did
the
extin
test
like
the
first
like
yeah,
that
we
learned
to
to
use
this
different
network.
I
think
helped
us
to
to
be
more
knowledgeable
about
installing
the
product
to
some
other
network.
H
G
Like
ominous,
actually
like
a
prime
example
about
the
powers
of
ethereum,
like
they're
they're,
actually
not
a
lot
of
products
who
are
just
leveraging
the
out
of
ethereum
like
we're
actually
using
several
protocols,
it's
it's
getting
to
a
point
where,
like
the
omen
itself,
is
growing
in
terms
of
protocol
usages
like
roy,
the
newcomer
for
omen
worked
on
compound
integrations,
like
I
think,
defy,
will
move
to
oman
too,
and
that
means
like
it
would
yeah
it
will
get
difficult.
G
It
will
get
more
difficult,
because
if
a
compound
is
not
on
arbitrary,
that
means
we
need
to
get.
We
need
to
ditch
it
on
the
front
end
for
omen
on
average
room.
F
Well,
maybe
it's
a
great
opportunity
to
launch
a
the
style
lending
protocol,
the
one
one
other
thing
I
we
haven't
mentioned
is,
I
guess
rails,
and
maybe
how
I
mean
loot
brings
doing
some
actually
interesting
things
with
their
amm
right
now,
and
I
don't
know
if
there's
any
so,
it's
actually
layered
to
amm
on.
I
think
it's
there.
They
have
launched
a
new
rollup
that
is
not
connected
to
rails.ed
rails
out
of
eat
is
connected
to
like
the
first
version,
which
is
what
the
original
order
book
exchange
the
loop
ring
order.
F
Book
exchange
was
based
on,
but
I
could
see
that
getting
some
traction
over
the
coming
months,
because
that's
actually
kind
of
in
production
and
maybe
some
liquidity.
So
I
don't
know
if
there's
any,
is
there
any
opportunity
to
like
capture
some
of
that
market,
or
should
we
be
thinking
about?
Loot
brings
amm
at
all.
I
Have
you
seen
the
loop
rings
numbers
like
the
exchange
numbers?
It's
not
very
active
like
they
have.
G
Yeah
also,
interestingly,
like
I
think
after
they
introduced
amms,
most
of
the
volume
is
coming
from
amms,
like
the
trading
stopped
it
on
the
other
books,
which
is
kind
of
it's
very
interesting,
like
I
expected
that
order.
Books
are
still
very
useful
and.
C
J
Know
it
was
like
the
the
you
see
they
had
like
traction
on
on
the
first
version
on
the
order
book
and
it
worked
somehow
and
now
they
move
to
level
to
the
second
version
and
there
the
other
book
exchange
just
yeah.
It's
not
working
anymore.
It
looks
like
so.
They
focused
on
the
amm
side
and
I
don't
think
they
can
compete
against
uni
swap
if
this
office
is
out
there,
that's
just
because
it's
so
yeah,
it's
kind
of
limited
in
in
it's
a
silo
and
there's
no,
not
a
lot
of
traction.
As
that
said,.
J
I
don't
know
one
reason
I
did
I'm
not.
That
optimistic
is.
I
also
look
at
idx
and
idx
also
had
this
version,
one
two
version
two,
and
now
they
have
almost
no
no
traffic
anymore.
I
don't
know,
but
this
is
it's
for
me.
It's
it's
like
they're
very
earlier
they
show
for
me.
They
show
me
how
the
problem
about
all
the
layer
2
stuff,
because
they
have
been
like
kind
of
of
private
layer,
2
style,
idx
2,
and
now
they
moved
from
version
1
to
2
and
they.
J
F
I
think
I
see
is
u.s
customers
and
they've
had
like
a
thousand.
They
haven't
all
of
2020.
They
really
like
didn't
grow.
They
captured,
like,
I
think,
the
order
book
in
2019,
so
I'm
just
looking
at
generally,
like,
I
definitely
think
optimism
and
arbor
drum
and
all
these
other
ones
are
maybe
better
positioned
long
term
but
loopering
like
kind
of
exists
right
now,
there's
like
three
million
dollars
that
traded
yesterday
and
two
like
we
already
have
a
product
that
basically
has
functionality
with
looping.
F
So
I'm
not
saying
that,
like
we
should
like
put
all
our
eggs
in
the
loop
ring
basket,
but
in
terms
of
like
our
strategic
positioning
now
like,
is
there
any
opportunity
to
capture
potentially
some
of
the
volume
that
would
be
going
there?
And
I'm
speaking,
you
know,
speaking
specifically
for
for
rails
here.
J
J
Maybe
two
so
I
sold
a
little
bit.
I
really
sold
yesterday
before
the
the
fee,
skyrocket
and
I
didn't
I
didn't
think
about
the
high
fee
anymore.
It's
really
strange,
so
I
missed
that
today
I
thought
the
price
was
going
up.
Narrative
is
yeah
the
layer
now
cosby's.
Also
everyone
needs
to
go
to
layer
two
and
they
have
a
solution
so,
but
anyway,.
B
Yeah.
Okay,
so
I
guess
that
kind
of
sums
up
the
the
discussion
on
layer.
Two
I
do
believe
there's
a
there
will
be
a
call
scheduled
with
arbitrary
right,
and
I
think
I
think
it
might
be
worth
it
to
try
and
reach
out
to
optimism
as
well
and
be
like
hey.
We
have
a
suite
of
products
and
you
know
we
could
be
a
very
good
partner
to
launch.
First,
I
don't
know,
I
don't
know,
maybe
keenan
if
you
could
be
on
top
of
that
or
someone
else
or
maybe
sky.
I
A
I
I
don't
think
they
close
down
to
any
for
smaller
players.
They
have
a
form
the
same
post
that
they
announced
that
those
three
partners
also
said
like
if
you're
interested
yeah
right
in
this
form,
maybe
we
should
just
reach
out
and
see,
I'm
I'm
guessing,
I'm
guessing
that's
a
strategy
that
they
are
announcing,
big
big
players
that
can
move
the
market
to
to
to
to
that
direction.
I
I
mean,
if
you
look
at
xdi
like
if
we
had
big
big
players
from
the
start
going
to
xdi
and
instead
of
like
just
having
one
after
one
going
in
like
month
by
month.
I
think
this
is
what
what
I
don't
know
exactly
is
everyone?
Has
it's
gone
to
excel,
but
no
one
is
using
it.
So
I
think
that's
just
a
strategy.
F
So
the
way
we
get
liquidity
in
l2
is
through
incentives
right.
This
is
a
whole
point
of
uni
right.
This
is
on.
All
synthetics
wants
to
do
is
like
drive
people
so
that
they
can
mint
cheaper.
So
I
think
there
will
be
like
crazy
incentives
to
get
people
to
go
to
optimism
and
elsewhere.
Yeah.
F
The
last
thing
you
know
we
haven't:
we've
been
talking
a
lot
about
the
products
here
and
we
haven't
talked
that
much
about
dxtau
and
governance
and
maybe
even
things
like
worker
payments,
and
so
I
wonder,
if
that's
something
does
that
kind
of?
Is
that
something
we
would
tag
tag
on
to
to
this
or
like?
How
would
we
think
about,
like,
I
guess,
non-product
l2
use
cases.
B
So
I
don't
know,
I
think,
like
you
know,
with
these
super
high
guys
gas
prices
then
perhaps
like
it's
kind
of
on
the
table,
that
you
know
we'll
we'll
start
transferring
funds
to
exi
and
then
start
paying
people
from
ex-die
just
because
it's
cheaper
and
then
yeah.
The
reputation
can
be
basically
a
completed
at
a
later
time.
H
Yeah,
so
I'm
actually
we're.
We've
got
a
meeting
with
block
rocket
tomorrow,
I'm
talking
about
the
vesting
contracting.
I
think
we
can
really
optimize
our
worker
payment
flow
with
that.
I
was
also
chatting
with
like
a
goose
on
niko
this
morning
about
you
know
if
we
had
like
because
we're
desperate
here,
because
the
gas
prices
are
so
bad
that
people
are
like
are
paying
100
200
bucks
to
get
paid.
It's
kind
of
bad
like
we
could
maybe
even
just
use
a
multi
saying
great,
like
we
could
disperse
like
you
know,.
C
F
Yeah,
because
just
I
mean
the
conversations
about
product,
I
think,
are
really
important
to
the
strategic
direction,
but
we
do
have
like
we
are
also
like
an
organization
and
a
product
that
lives
on
ethereum
who's
experiencing
like
a
lot
of
problems
with
gas
now,
so
I
think
we
should
yeah
ways
to
solve
that.
I
think
a
multi-sig
you
imagine
like
by
squad,
even
if
the
multi-sig
had
all
of
the
members
of
the
squad
on
it
you'll
just
be
dispersing
kind
of
payments,
and
so
people
would
presumably
agree
on
on
that.
H
And
well,
I
think
exercise
is
an
interesting
thing
to
consider.
I'm
not
sure
it
makes
sense
for
payments,
because
just
thinking
about
that
flow
right
like
if
I
get
paid
on
xdi
well,
the
first
thing
I
got
to
do
is
then
move
that
x
die
into
the
main
net
so
that
I
can
then
send
it
somewhere
to
liquidate
it
right
and
actually
pay
my
bills.
H
H
A
Like
you
can
on-ramp
it's
easy
to
on-ramp
in
with
like
a
debit
card,
but
it's
harder
to
off-ramp
with
with
it's
like,
if
you're
talking
about
moving
it
to
like
a
real
exchange,
john
and
then
like
transferring
usdc
to
an
exchange
and
then
putting
it
back.
Oh,
that's
not
going
to
happen
on
x,
died
and.
A
Yeah
but
the
so
the
key
is
it's
not.
It's
not
super
expensive
to
move
xdi
back
across
to
mainnet
and
you
have
the
opportunity
to
wait
for
whenever
gas
is
cheap,
you
do
an
xdi
transaction,
and
now
you
do
a
claim
on
mainnet,
which
is
the
costly
transaction.
But
it's
not
compared
to
like
a
proposal.
It's
nothing
like
and,
and
you
can
wait,
you
can
wait
for
when
you
want
to
do
it.
H
A
If
you
move,
250
000
x,
die
into
over
to
x,
die
dow
and
made
those
worker
payments
there
like
in
in
die
like
that
solves
okay,
we're
trusting
that
bridge
for
250
grand
but
like
that
solves
a
lot
of
thing,
and
then
everyone
has
the
option
to
move
it
back
whenever
they
want,
and
it's
all
in
die.
It's
it's.
It's
a
pretty
decent
solution
for
for
now
that
exists.
If.
H
A
One
claim
when
you
move
it
x,
dive
back
across
you:
do
the
x
die
transaction
across
the
bridge
and
then
they
used
to
pay
the
gas.
But
gas
is
so
expensive
that
they
make
you
claim
it
on
mainnet
and
then
it's
pretty
easy
using
the
bridge
dap
and
then
it's
not
like
super
expensive
and
you
can
do
it
whenever
you
want.
So
it's
you
just
wait
until
gas
is
low.
I
guess.
B
Yeah-
and
you
know
this
saves
I'm
assuming
to
pass
the
proposal
right
now,
it's
around
probably
around
200
for
the
proposal.
The
vote
in
the
stake
so
yeah
like
it,
saves
all
of
that.
A
We,
the
thing
is
this:
we
can
try
it
like
once
we
have
die
in
in
mainnet
with
a
with
the
same
way
we
moved,
10
000
x,
die
across
to
x,
die.
We
can
do
that
with
a
hundred
thousand.
We
could
try
it
for
one
month,
there's
like
very
little
risk
we're
not
going
to
have
another
solution
in
the
next
month,
so
we
could
once
we
have
dye
on
on
mainnet.
A
K
B
Yeah,
I
I
I
just
want
to
say
this
doesn't
really
solve
the
whole
first
of
all
the
reputation
that
needs
to
be
kind
of
aligned
at
some
point
on
mainnet
and
the
vesta
dxd,
which
you
know
it's
another
rabbit
hole.
H
Right
yeah,
so
the
vested
dxd
xlite
doesn't
really
solve
that
because
you'd
have
to
because
you
can't
give
it
out
as
a
vested
thing
on
next
day,
which
makes
me
think
yeah
the
the.
If
this
is
like
an
immediate.
Like
I
mean
I,
I
kind
of
this
might
be
sort
of
an
emergency
thing
right
like
where
people
are
are
kind
of
facing
this,
like
we
could
do
the
multi-sync
stuff
like
right
now,
yeah.
F
That
seems
to
me
like
and
then
that
that
seems
to
be
both
like
probably
a
way
we
could
do
that
right
now
and
also
kind
of
maybe
sets
the
structure
up
for
like
sub-dials
going
forward
and
how
that
component
would
work.
But
yeah
I
mean
I
don't
know
that
it's
just
the
multi
I
guess
x
die
is
kind
of
like
multi-sig
when
you
think
about
it,
and
it's
just
you're
you're
sending
out
of
the
bridge
is
the
sending
payments
from
the
multi-sig.
A
I
guess
you're
on
on
main
net
with
multi-cigs,
obviously,
but
the
the
tricky
thing
is
most
almost:
every
worker
works
for
more
than
one
squad.
So
does
each
do
you
have
to
get
a
payment
from
each
squad
multi-sig
or
the
way
it's
working.
A
You
could
just
have
a
payment
squad
and
and
the
money
this
month's
costs
go
into
the
payment
squad
and
get
dis
distributed
from
the
payment
squad.
Multi-Sig
like
it's,
not
individual
squads,
it's
just
the
payment
squad
and.
F
H
A
K
No,
I
haven't
done
it
so
you
chris,
I
haven't,
but
I'm
I'm
not
quite
at
that
point.
Yet
it
would
be
the
end.
H
You
just
haven't
actually
got
to
it
yet:
okay,
yeah,
which
month
like
this
month
or
at
all
previously,
basically,
who
has
like,
should
have
done
it
by
now,
but
hasn't
for
whatever.
H
And
I
did
it,
I
did
it
just
before
things
went
crazy,
like
saturday
like,
so
it's
probably
really
bad
right
now
in
terms
of
like,
and
I
thought
it
was
expensive
when
I
did
it,
it
was
like
you
know:
it's
like
50
bucks
to
deploy
the
vesting
contract,
then
like
another
12
bucks
into
the
proposal
and
another
12
bucks
to
boost
it,
like
it's
100
bucks,
just
to
do
the
proposal
like
just
to
get
your
setup
for
the
dxd
right.
So
if
you're
yeah,
it's
kind
of
bad.