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A
Hello
and
welcome
to
the
monday
26th
of
april
2021,
the
excel
business
call
on
the
agenda
today.
We'll
have
a
new
member
introductions
and
I
think
we
already
have
a
few
members
we're
going
to
do
some
updates,
and
this
is
like
the
general
kind
of
rest
of
the
callers
like
to
do
updates.
A
So
so
from
previous
weeks
from
these
the
adventures
and
maybe
from
marketing
and
comms,
and
maybe
I'm
not
sure
if
this
is
to
do
with
governance
or
business
but
to
explore,
dig
style,
expanding
onto
new
networks.
And
it
looks
like
I
was
just
looking
earlier
today
and
it
seems
like
solana,
has
like
their
uni
swap
competitor
or
tanking,
swap.
A
So
it
could
be
interesting
to
figure
out
if
we
want
to
go
in
there
and
we
can
save
that
to
the
end
and
yeah.
Do
you
want
to
start
with
introductions
francesco
wells
black
on
scale.
C
Go
for
it
hi.
Everyone
very
very
excited
to
meet
you
all
so
far.
I
just
spoke
with
melanie
and
geronimo
and
and
someone
else
also
anyway
yeah.
I
just
I
basically
followed
blockchain
space
for
a
couple
of
years
and
I
was
working
for
startups.
Those
last
two
years
last
year
was
a
pretty
hectic
year
and
I
decided
I
always
had
in
the
back
of
my
mind,
to
learn
coding,
and
so
I
jumped
into
a
new
adventure
last
year
and
I
couldn't
be
happier
to
be
honest
and
yeah.
C
I
just
graduated
last
last
month
from
full
stack
boot
camp
and
now
I'm
looking
for
for
job
opportunities,
and
I
am
very,
very
interested
in
takes
down
and
will
probably
have
to
make
the
last
decision,
but
will
probably
be
part
of
the
adventure.
If
you
accept
me,
awesome
welcome
welcome.
How
did
you
learn
about
I'm?
C
I
mean
I'm
I'm
following
the
the
style
through
I'm
following
the
the
twitter
chat
since
since
a
couple
of
years
I
mean,
since
it
was
noses
before
and
yeah
I
mean
last
month
when
I
finished
I
yeah
I
just
I
continued,
I
mean
now
every
morning
I
still
do
lots
of
theory
and
practice,
and
on
the
afternoon
I
was
looking
for
for
job
opportunities
and
I
just
thrown
the
message
and
can
jen
and
joe
animo
contacted
me
and
yeah.
C
I
was
really
surprised
and
from
the
the
I
mean
the
kindness
and
the
and
excitement
and
supportive
and
yeah,
I
hope
to
be
at
the
level
and
I'm
really
motivated
and
really
good,
to
learn
I'll
have
to
learn
graphql
for
sure,
and
this
is
going
to
be
on
the
top
of
my
list
that
as
soon
as
I
start
and
yeah,
that's
it.
I'm
half
french
of
italian,
I'm
actually
based
in
south
of
france,
and
I
will
probably,
after
the
trial
period,
move
to
lisbon.
C
Probably
very
probably
if
everything
goes
as
planned,
so
I
mean
very
happy
and
to
meet
you
personally.
If
we
have
the
opportunity
nice.
A
A
Yeah,
I'm
I'm
working
on
a
portuguese
passport,
so
maybe
in
a
few
years
I'll.
C
Meet
you
at
least
one
I
don't
need
I
mean
I
have.
I
have
two
passports
already
it's
more
than
enough,
but
I
mean
for
me
would
be
it
would
be
fairly
easy,
but
I've
heard
that
the
conditions
over
the
heads
are
amazing,
also
supporting
crypto
entrepreneurs,
workers
developers
whatever
and
and
yeah.
I
really
like
I
speak
spanish
too
so
should
be,
should
be,
should
be
okay,.
E
Yeah,
hey
everyone,
I'm
jordan!
I
live
in
los
angeles.
I
heard
about
dxda
through
sky
mine,
had
a
crypto,
meetup
and
thought
I
would
learn
more.
I
work
in
product
at
a
company
in
the
national
security
space
kind
of
helping
banks
and
government
organizations
manage
risk
in
their
supply
chains
and
customers
and
such
so.
That's
actually
how
I
became
interested
in
crypto
by
learning
how
the
people
that
are
you
know.
E
Clients
are
interested
in
learning
more
about
we're
using
crypto
for
money
laundering
and
other
illicit
activity,
but
then
I
got
into
d5
and
yeah.
I
mean
I'm
really
interested
in
dfi,
I'm
particularly
interested
in
prediction
markets.
So
I've
been
learning
more
about
omen
and
you
know
I'm
eager
to
learn
how
to
contribute
to.
You
know
the
project,
whether
it's
through
omen
or
you
know
what
other
other
utility
tasks
that
I
can
help
out
with.
F
A
E
Yes
yeah,
so
I
started
crypto
meetup-
and
I
mentioned
to
this
guy
that
I
was
a
product
manager
and
he
was
like.
Oh
well,
have
you
hear
dx
style
like
we
really
need
product
people,
so
I
read
and
learn
more.
A
Awesome
welcome,
I
think,
like
I've,
you
know
traveling
a
lot
in
in
the
past
couple
of
weeks
and
then
you,
you
know
you
speak
to
people.
Then
you
know
what
are
you
doing
crypto
and
then
you
know.
Suddenly
I
explained
it
or
this
was
even
with
chris
right,
like
we
work
for
ourselves
or
for
a
company.
That's
only
on
the
internet
like
it's,
it's
very
interesting
to
explain
and
people
are
really
like
it
piques
their
interests,
so
yeah,
maybe
we'll.
E
E
A
A
Also,
I
know
kermit
has
been
around,
but
I've
never
heard
introduction.
If
you
want
to.
C
A
All
right
say
like
for
the
rest
of
the
agenda
I
have
kind
of
like
I
don't
know
general
updates
from
previous
weeks,
and
I
think
maybe
we
can
do
a
quick
update
for
the
exventures,
and
I
think
canon
also
has
a
few
things
to
say:
maybe
about
the
documentation,
project
and
yeah,
I
don't
know
sky.
Do
you
have
any
updates?
I
think
yeah
tammy
just
sent
an
update.
F
Yeah,
so
tammy
may
have
some
more
details,
but
dx
ventures
in
general,
so
we're
there's
a
couple
actually
there's
a
call.
We
have
a
initial
call
with
a
an
interesting
project
called
greet
who
actually
already
has
a
grant
has
received
a
grant
from
aragon
and
their
idea.
A
really
big
picture,
don't
know
too
much
about
it,
but
it's
like
of
all
these
decentralized.
F
You
know
things
that
are
being
built.
They
their
goal
is
to
create
an
e,
an
easier,
partly
centralized
system.
So
you
know
centralized
enough
to
make
it
easy
for
everyone
to
access
all
of
these
decentralized
things.
So
the
question
is
like:
how
do
you
do
that
in
a
in
a
like
protected,
decentralized
way
right
and
so
that's
their
goal?
F
They've
built
they've
been
building
for
a
few
months,
I
think
already,
and
they
have
a
demo
which
they're
going
to
show
us
so
we'll
we'll
see
how
that
goes,
and
then
we
can
present
that
bigger
to
the
wider
group
and
then
the
the
main,
the
main,
the
main
investment
which
is
moving
forward
right
now
is
with
opolis
actually
and
opolis
actually
has
released
their
work
token
into
the
public,
but
they're.
You
know
investors
of
this,
this
seed
plus
round
they're.
F
You
know
you
can
see
some
of
the
names
out
there
right
now,
but
dx
ventures
is
looking
to
join
that
seed
plus
round,
and
I
think
there
should
be
a
proposal
coming
up
soon
that
that
rep
holders
will
be
able
to
vote
on
so
yeah
and
then
I
think,
as
we,
you
know,
announce
that
and
get
some
more
awareness
and
things.
I
think
we'll
start
to
see
more
and
more
projects,
probably
coming
and
wanting
to
present
to
dx
ventures
as
well.
D
Yeah,
I
think
that's
a
good
wrap
up.
We
should
have
a
post
for
the
opolis
grant
up
today.
It's
looking
like,
I
think
most
people
know,
but
so
everyone
is
clear.
We
have
fifty
thousand
dollars,
that's
being
proposed
from
the
dx
staff
treasury
and
then
another
50
000
has
been
committed
by
dxdow
contributors
and
so
that
process
the
conversation
around.
It
will
kind
of
kick
off
today
and
if
everything
seems
good,
we'll
move
forward
with
the
dawn
chain
proposal.
A
Nice
and
we're
gonna,
be,
I
guess
this
is
like
sort
of
making
history
right.
I
don't
know
if
there's
any
well,
I
guess
like
medical
televentures
is
something
similar
but
yeah.
I
I
don't
know
if
there's
been
like,
I
want
to
say
really
decentralized
organization
that
is
actually
invested
in
something
else.
Yeah.
F
What's
interesting,
is
there
this
this
thing?
This
idea
that
you're
just
said
is
very
new.
It
is
very
new.
There's
like
the
lao
and
dick's
medic.
Cartel
ventures
have
been
doing
it
in
the
past
with
a
with
a
legal
entity,
but
even
in
this
opolis
round,
I
think,
like
the
pickle
community
and
maybe
the
badger,
dao
community
and
dx
dao
community,
there's
a
bunch
of
actual
decentralized
communities
that
are
going
to
participate
in
this
and
that's
kind
of
great
for
opulence,
because
that
is
the
core
of
what
apollo
says.
F
Obelisk
is
made
for
communities
just
like
this
so
and
john
who's
who's.
You
know
the
founder
he's
really
a
big
believer
in
in
this,
and
I
think
that
this
is
going
to
explode
like
and
projects
are
going
to
have
to
learn
how
to
how
to
work
with
and
take
investment
from
dows
that
are
not
like
legally
set
up,
and
things
like
that.
I
think
that
will
like
explode
from
here
and
it's
gonna
really
ramp
up.
So
it's
cool
to
like
yeah,
do
one
and
see
how
it
goes
and
then
we
can.
A
Yeah,
I
think
it's
it's.
This
is
super
interesting.
I
know
that
also.
I
know,
for
example,
that
the
other
kind
of
project
that
we've
been
talking
to
hats,
like
it,
has
problems
taking
essentially
money
from
from
the
excel,
or
you
know,
generally
from
from
taking
money
from
something
that
doesn't
have
a
legal
entity
and
cannot
go
through
kyc.
So
hopefully
that
will
be
able
to
solve
that
as
well,
but
yeah.
F
Well,
there
was
some
talk
around
that
is
like
what
does
kyc
mean
right,
kyc
is
made
for
people
right
so
and-
and
I
guess
entities
too
but
usually
kyc
is
for
actual
individual
people
that
represent
an
agent
like
a
an
entity.
So
the
question
is:
if
you
are
taking
money
from
code,
can
you
kyc
the
code
like?
Can
you
shouldn't
you
be
able
to
kyc
dxdao
like
as
as
a
as
a
as
a
wallet.
D
Yeah,
I
think
that
something
that
people
could
add
their
thoughts
on
is
whether
or
not
a
blockchain
analysis
of
the
dxtac
treasury
is
essentially
not
a
version
of
kyc
and
the
dow,
because
then
that
would
trace
the
money
back
to
any
red
flagged
accounts,
and
we
could,
just
you
know,
remove
that
portion
of
funds.
If
there
is
anything
there
which
there
shouldn't
be.
That
would
maybe
be
one
one
option.
D
Exactly
because
the
whole
point
of
kyc
in
this
example
in
this
instance,
since
we
don't
have
the
legal
entity,
is
just
to
show
that
the
funds
weren't
you
know
flagged
in
some
sort
of
you
know:
illicit
investigation,
terrorism
whatever.
C
B
Chain,
it's
like
a
new
kind
of
like
a
new
world
right,
I
mean
think
of
obviously
like
sushi
compound
and
other
defy
tokens
that
are
generating
cash
on
chain
like
you
can
see
the
accounts
and
trades
and
borrows
and
lands
that
are
actually
generating
that
revenue
so
you'd
be
able
to
like
associate
that,
but
it's
clear
that
the
the
source
of
funds
will
will
be.
B
D
B
E
Yeah
just
said
a
few
thoughts.
One
thing
that
even
decentralized
platforms
should
be
I'm
concerned
about
is
funds
that
come
from
sanctioned
jurisdictions,
so
unified
address
itself.
Isn't
you
know
on
a
nofac
list
or
otherwise
associated
with
illicit
activity?
That
could
still
be
a
liability
and
that's
what
the
government
has
focused
the
most
on
with
enforcement
actions
related
to
kyc
for
virtual
asset
service
providers.
E
So
even
you
know,
if
there
isn't,
like
you
know,
legally
somebody
who
has
you
know,
power
of
attorney
or
power
signing
power
over
the
dow
it'd
probably
be
something
like
who
holds
like
the
largest
share
of
like
governance.
Tokens
and
such
like
10
is
usually
the
beneficial
ownership
threshold
that
regulators
look
at
so
yeah.
E
Just
I
just
add
those
two
things,
and
I
guess
the
last
note
that
is
that
once
once
you
start
looking
into
like
things
like
users
or
significant
holders
of
assets
in
the
treasury,
so
on
and
so
forth.
E
It's
really
good
to
just
have
like
a
documented
policy,
because
if
there's
like
a
problem
like
further
down
in
the
future,
as
long
as
everything's
like
memorialized
and
like
you
can
show
that
you're
like
making
a
good
faith
effort
to
like
abide
by
specifically
like
our
facts
like
regulations
in
this
regard,
then,
like
god
forbid,
there
was
some
sort
of
enforcement
action
which
I
don't
think
there
would
be
like
several
years
down
the
line.
It
would
be
like
a
significant,
like
mitigating
factor.
D
Yeah,
that's
actually
super
interesting
and
I
would
love
to
talk
with
you
more
about
this.
I
do
some
of
the
some
compliance
related
questions
work
with
the
dao.
It
seems
like
you,
have
a
really
interesting
background
in
it,
so
we
should
talk
more
yeah
for
sure.
A
A
This
is
the
thing
like
where
we've
been,
I
don't
know
kind
of
like
tinkering
with
and
trying
to
figure
out,
because
the
style
doesn't
have
an
illegal
entity,
and
you
know
every
the
funds
were
raised
in
sort
of
like
an
open
manner
and
we
are
trying
to
basically
be
as
decentralized
as
possible,
so
so
yeah.
I
guess
all
of
these
things
are
interesting
and
yeah.
F
Oh
yeah
yeah,
what
I
was
going
to
say
is
jordan,
with
your
with
your
knowledge
and
background,
and
more
and
more
dows
have
these
same
exact
questions
that
dxdow
has
and
no
one's
really
like
creating
standards
and
and
things
yet,
and
so
you
you
and
we
have
the
opportunity
to
like
create
our
own
standard
of
of
what
is
safe
and
things
and
because
it
doesn't
exist
and
no
one's
done
it.
We
can
create
it
and
we
can
say
this
is
what
we
like.
F
This
is
a
great
idea,
and
this
we've
decided
this
and
other
dowels
like
like
even
our
compensation
stuff.
Other
dowels
will
start
to
use
what
we're
doing
and
then
we're
like
a
leader
in
that
space,
which
is
and
then
we
can
eventually
like
you
know,
the
the
regulators
will
see
that
and
they'll.
They
may
use
that
in
their
in
their
creation
of
of
regulations
for
daos,
which
would
be
pretty
cool.
E
B
If
they're
looking
back
right,
it's
like
were
the
people
were
the
actors
acting
in
good
faith,
and
I
think,
as
long
as
we
have
at
least
that
as
a
guiding
light
that
will
help
us
figure
out
exactly
what
what
to
do.
A
Yeah,
so
I
want
to
say,
maybe
I
mean
I
think.
Obviously
we
should
be.
You
know
acting
into
the
face
and
you
know
actually
showing
that,
but
you
know
at
the
end
of
the
day,
at
the
end
of
the
day,
what
will
set
the
policy
is,
is
money
I
mean
that's,
that's
kind
of
how
it
works.
It's
it's
not
only
in
the
us,
it's
mainly
in
the
us,
but
it's
I
guess
over
the
world
and
at
least
in
this
regard
we
have
like
the
way
I
see
it.
We
have
address
and
horowitz
which.
A
Is
so
like,
I
trust
that.
A
It
will
be
okay
in
the
eyes
of
the
regulator.
If
we
are,
you
know,
even
more
decentralized
in
a
way,
or
you
know
we're
adding
layers
on
top
of
of
unity
swap
and
compound,
then
I
think
we
should
also
be
okay,
but
you
know.
A
D
I
actually
think
it
was
a
pretty
positive
discussion,
it's
good
to
communicate
about
these
things
and
it's
going
to
come
up
with
investing
in
general,
so
it's
natural
that
we
should
talk
about
it.
G
A
Well,
I
guess
I
don't
know
good
luck
to
us,
so
someone
has
a
phone
call.
Do
we
want
to
move
on
to
the
next
sort
of
topic?
Maybe
ken,
if
you
want
to
update
about
the
communications,
sorry,
the
documentation.
I
Yeah,
I
was
going
to
say
no
big
communications
update
because
we
have
the
recap
call
this
week
and
I
don't
want
to
double
dip
but
update
about
the
documentation
book.
Just
on
friday.
I
I
finished
with
the
review
copy
and
it
got
a
review
by
violet
over
the
weekend.
So
just
this
morning,
I'm
going
to
be
putting
the
build
together
and
making
a
document
for
the
review
copy,
so
I'll
be
sending
out
an
ipfs
link
and
probably
a
hackmd
or
something
of
the
sorts
with
instructions
and
what
we
want
tested.
I
What
we're
looking
for
not
quite
ready
to
share.
So
I
won't
be
taking
up
too
much
of
this
time.
Unfortunately,
but
within
the
hour
or
two
I'll
be
sending
people
information,
and
it
would
be
great
to
get
as
many
people
as
possible,
giving
it
a
test.
I
So
yeah
keep
your
eyes
on
the
the
documentation
book
channel.
If,
if
I
don't
reach
out
to
you
and
there'll,
be
a
link
there
as
well.
A
Awesome
thanks
keane
and
then
yeah.
If
there
are
no
other
topics,
maybe
we
can
chat
about
other
later
ones.
F
Yeah,
if
we're
going
to
move
to
that,
I
just
before
we
talk
about
other
layer
ones.
I
I
raised
some
discussion
points.
After
our
community
call.
On
thursday
there
was
actually
an
ex-die
community
call,
and
I
think
that
was
their
first
one.
Ever
you
know,
xdi
is
a
blockchain.
There
is
a
core
team,
but
you
know
the
blockchain
is
pretty
much
a
permissionless
blockchain.
F
At
this
point
they
made
a
big
effort
to
so
that,
like
anyone
can
run
x-dinodes,
I
think
it's
using
net
nethermind,
which
is
like
an
ethereum
client
and
they
like
that's,
really
important
to
xdi
as
a
chain,
and
there
are
a
handful
of
very
interested
or
you
know,
parties
such
as,
like
one
hive
for
example,
and
obviously
gnosis
and
and
other
entities
in
the
space,
and
you
can,
you-
can
follow
x,
die
chains,
weekly
updates
and
things,
there's
a
there's
quite
a
few
projects
and
things
that
are
leveraging
and
co-apps
and
stuff
that
are
using
x,
die
chain
that
are
pretty
central
to
the
ethereum
ecosystem.
F
Obviously
there
are
other
ones
like
matic
polygon
as
well,
which
you
know
have
have
are
in.
You
know
competition
and
have
gotten
some
good
traction
as
well,
but
these
are,
these
are
not
true,
layered
twos.
These
are
some
people,
see
these
as
temporary
solutions,
but
you
know:
dx
dao
is
leaned
into
x,
die.
Obviously,
one
hive
community
is
leaning
into
x,
died.
There's
a
lot
of
people
that
are
leveraging
x,
die,
but
they're.
It's
still
uncertain
on
like
what
the
future
of
x
die
chain
is.
F
F
We
could
work
with
the
one
hive
team
on
this
as
well,
because
they're
they're,
very
you
know,
they're
quite
active,
like
luke
from
onehive,
is
very
active
in
this
in
this
new
kind
of
community,
and
there
is
some
talk
about
what
like
does
the
future
of
xdye
rely
on
ethereum
2.0
like
or
does
it
rely
on
polka
dot?
Or
does
it
rely
on
solana
like?
Where?
Is
it
eventually
going
to
get
its
true
security
like
to
as
at
its
core,
and
it
can
go
in
many
many
directions?
F
F
You
know
they
have
bridge
validators
have
almost
as
much
power
as
the
validators
of
a
blockchain
right,
because
if
the
bridge
doesn't
work
or
the
bridge
changes
to
another
chain
or
something
like
that's
who's
deciding
who
like
where
your
bridged
money
goes
right.
So
this
this
is
all
stuff.
That's
like
being
figured
out,
there's
like
obviously
blockchains.
F
Don't
change
and
move
like
super
fast,
but
if,
if
if
dx
dao
thinks
there
should
be
a
certain
decisions,
like
you
know,
should
xdi
stay
only
core
to
the
ethereum
ecosystem,
or
should
it
explore
leveraging
other
layer
one
chains
as
well,
which
is
kind
of
the
discussion
that
nylon
wants
to
talk
about
in
general?
It's
all
open
decisions.
F
Can
it
become
a
roll-up
on
ethereum
2.0?
Can
it
become
a
roll-up
on
ethereum
1.0,
and
so
these
are
all
open
questions
that
I
think
dx-style
should
be
deeper
in
because
we
are
quite
reliant
on
ex-die
at
this
point,
and
so
that's
like
I
can
start
sharing
like
when
those
calls
are
going
to
be
ex-die
communities,
mainly
in
their
discord.
F
Just
like
we're
also,
you
know
creating
a
bigger
discord
community,
but
anyone
can
go
any
questions.
Support
channel,
that's
all
in
their
discord,
and
so
we
can
follow
all
this
along
and
and
give
our
opinions
through
through
those
channels,
but
that's
just
like
that's
all
specific
to
x
die
chain,
which
is
what
we
are
using
right
now,
but
yeah
nylon.
B
Yeah,
I
think
first
on
the
x
die
like.
I
think
we
are
active
participants
in
the
xdi
ecosystem.
Xdxtao
swapper
omen.
So
I
think
it's
important
that
we
are
aware
of.
What's
going
on
with
that
development
and
also
involved
in
like
in
the
future
decision
making
process,
that's
independent,
I
guess
of
what
geek
style
should
be
thinking
about
in
terms
of
scalability
and
where
we
should
be
putting
resources
strategically
and
products
deployed
right
now.
Those
are
overlapped
with
being
on
xdi
and
we're
looking
at
elsewhere.
B
I
don't
know
if
xdi
will
be
a
strategically
strong
like
l2
next
year,
but
maybe
it
develops
into
some
kind
of
like
test
net,
where
it
picks
up
activity
over
the
next
year
and
then
we
can
and
then
maybe
it
eventually
transitions
to
an
l2.
So
I
think
we
have
to
keep
our
options
open
for
dick
style
and
making
sure
that
we're
looking
at
obviously
arbitrage
if
we
want
to
consider
the
other
l1
chains.
B
I
know
everyone's
talking
about
solana
now,
but
I
think
separately,
it's
great
that
you
were
on
that
call
and
I
think
we
should
be
involved
in
the
discussions
just
because
we're
such
an
active
participant.
J
J
Our
products
already
seeing
traction
a
little
bit,
but
I
think
we're
just
getting
started
with
xda,
so
I
don't
think
we
have
any
resources
to
focus
on
other
side
chains.
I
think
the
d
star
is
betting
strong
on
l2.
So
why
are
we
having
the
playground
the
xdi
base?
A
Yeah,
so
I
I
think
I
think
you
know
the
x
die
discussion
like
we
should
yeah.
We
should
actually
be
be
participating
more
in
the
community
yeah
sky.
A
I'd
like
to
join
like,
if
I
can,
those
ex
die
calls
and
on
like
the
reason
I'm
I
kind
of
bringing
up
solana
is
just
because
I
saw
over
the
last
couple
of
days
that
you
know
kind
of
there's
like
a
meme
of
all
the
crazy
apys
from
finance
chain
is
now
moving
to
solana,
and
it
seems
like
it
actually
works
and
solana
has,
you
know,
been
super
hyped
for
a
long
time,
and
I
don't
know
sandbank
friedman
is
like
this
super
mega
genius
kind
of
like
metallic,
and
I
feel
like
if
the
style
I
I
don't
know
if
you
know
deploying
the
entire
dial
and
all
that,
but
maybe
even
supporting
it
through
swapper,
or
something
like
that.
A
This
could
give
us
a
fairly.
I
don't
know,
maybe
big
advantage
in
this
blockchain
or
you
know.
Maybe
it
will
be
a
fad,
but
it
could
be
an
interesting
thing
to
explore
and
yeah
that's
kind
of
it.
B
So
I
think
that
we
have
a
very
strong
bet
on
l2
with
arbor
trump,
and
I
think
that
is
something
that
we've
had
not
just
because
of
where
arbor
trump
is
right
now,
but
because
we've
actually
been
forming
a
relationship
with
him
for,
like
the
last
several
months,
have
already
deployed
on
their
test
net,
and
so
when
arbor
trump
kind
of
gets
its
shot.
And
that's
what
happens
every
a
couple
weeks.
I
think
we'll
be
better
positioned
there,
as
opposed
to
solana
when
there
is
like
a
whole
ecosystem
of
ftx
lots
of
people
involved.
B
It
would,
I
think,
would
be
a
little
bit
harder
to
stick
out
in
that
plus.
You
know,
I
think
these
things
do
take
resources.
I
think
we
know
from
running
two
bases
now
on
our
next
time.
Main
net
like
it
does
take
a
lot
of
coordination
and
I
think
we're
gonna
have
our
hands
full
with
arbor
trump
for
at
least
the
next
several
months,
but
long
term.
B
We
do
have
to
be
nimble
and
be
able
to
be
on
different
different
chains
and
be
able
to
like
both
from
product
perspective
and
a
governance
perspective.
J
Yeah-
and
I
think
the
argument
for
like
solana
is
getting
hyped
like
my
individual
views-
is
just
like
a
few
big
pockets
playing
defy
games
between
each
other,
like
I
don't
think
there
is
a
community
on
solana,
it's
just
like
ftx
and
I
don't
know
like
a
handful
of
big
pockets.
J
A
Well,
I
feel,
like
you
know,
cosmos
is
getting
I've
just
been
like
looking
at
all
these
kind
of
other
blockchains
cosmos
is
getting
some
traction
through
terra
right,
terra
or
luna,
or
whatever
thor
chained
to
yeah
and
torching
as
well
and
there's
like
a
bunch
of
others,
but
it
looks
like
it's
actually
there's.
Actually
things
happening,
as
opposed
to,
I
don't
know
like
polka
dot,
which
I
don't
know
if
there's
anything
live
yet
there's
like
cover,
but
that's
it.
A
A
What's
the
what's
the
the
the
test
net
for
polka
dot,
kusama,
oh
kusama,
yeah
right,
my
bad!
So
that's
kind
of
like
the
only
thing!
That's
live
there.
It's.
F
Right
yeah
well,
kosama
is
actually
his
own
blockchain,
so
I'm
not
sure
about
mainnet
polkadot,
but
there's
big
expectations.
J
A
Yeah,
I
mean,
I
think
I
think
ethereum
layer,
one
will
kind
of
be
the
center
of
it
all,
and
then
everything
will
bridge
there.
So
things
will
happen
on
kosamon
polkadot
or
on
layer,
twos
and
whatever
solana
as
well,
but
like
the
main
settlement
or
the
main
hub
for
this
entire
thing
is
going
to
be
fear,
maintenance,
and
this
is
how
I
view
it
like
every
everything
else
will
be
like
a
layer
two
to
either.
J
Yeah,
it
could
be
like
I
actually
thought
about
if
we
are
building
like
if
we
are
installing
a
base
on
on
arbitrom.
If
we're
transferring
funds
from
mainnet
system
to
our
bedroom
system,
are
we
able
to
retrieve
those
funds
if
the
whole
l2
is
exploding.
F
F
C
B
F
Something
yeah
so
at
least
with
zk
sync,
which
is,
for
example,
when
they
first
did
their
thing
with
git
coin
grants
so
they're
you
use
a
mainnet
address
and
even
though
I,
as
a
person
like
didn't
technically
know
how
to
claim
my
l2
zk
sync
funds
back
onto
mainnet
anyone
well,
the
team
did
it
in
in
this
case,
but
anyone
can
trigger
like
a
reversion
back
to
mainnet.
So
I
think
dx
dow.
If
dxdown
moves
the
actual
money,
it
doesn't
have
to
be
like
the
dow
that
actually
calls
something
it's
like.
F
F
J
This
makes
sense
for
a
normal
ethereum
address,
but
it
doesn't
make
sense
for
a
contract
because
the
contracts
don't
have
owners
and
they
can't
like
yeah
deepai
has
owners.
But
my
point
is,
I
don't
think
if
we
install
a
base
on
on
arbitrary,
there
will
be
no
one
who
has
a
key
to
the
contract
right.
F
J
Like
my
point
is,
maybe
we
need
to
like
include
this
security
measure,
where
the
geeksdale
base
on
mainnet
can
basically
call
the
funds
back
right.
That
is
like
the
advantages
we
have
of
being
like
on
the
mothership
yeah.
If
you
may
not,.
K
B
A
Yeah,
so
what's
what's
the
latest
sort
of
deployment
for
arbitrary.
B
We
talked
to
someone
like
two
weeks
ago,
two
two
and
a
half
weeks
ago
and
they're
kind
of
like
get
ready.
We've
got
a
candidate
and
it
looks
like
things
are,
gonna
come
and
it
sounded
like
in
a
couple
weeks.
They'd,
let
us
know,
and
then
it'd
be
a
couple
weeks
after
that,
so
I
mean
we
are
yeah.
It
could
be
very.
B
A
All
right
interesting,
I
guess,
there's
like
a
still
a
bunch
of
open
questions
for
how
exactly
it
will
work
and
the
mainnet
resolution.
I
remember
like
last
night
you
saw
it
was
like
seven
days.
If
you
want
to
resolve
it.
A
F
That
right,
oh
so
you
know
you
missed
a
bunch,
but
there
is
yeah
we're
already
talking
about
ways
to
do
fast:
exits
using
dx,
dow
capital
like
in
within
swapper,
from
arbitrome
back
to
maintenance.
If
people
wanted
to
so
there's,
like
connex,
is
working
on
things.
There's
a
another
network.
F
Hop
network
which
is
allowing
transfers
between
these
different
chains,
but
there's
a
there's:
a
technology
embedded
within
arbitram's
technology
that
allows
dx
dow
to
use
its
capital
to
potentially
do
fast
exits,
and
so
we
could
do
things
like
low
fees
or
free
for
dxd
holders
or
yeah
or
a
small
fee.
So
it
could
be
a
revenue
model.
Also,
if
people
use
this
and
and
dxdow
could
use
its
capital
and
put
limits
on
how
much
you
can,
a
certain
wallet
could
exit
from
arbitrary
back
to
mainnet.
F
So
the
question
is
how
much
exiting
like
do.
We
think
like,
as
these
l2s
grow,
if
arbitram
launches
and
is,
is
building
their
d5
ecosystem
and
stuff?
Is
there
going
to
be
a
lot
of
exiting?
I
imagine
it's
going
to
be
more
deposits
right
and
deposits
are
kind
of
instant
and
and
the
cost
of
maintenance
transaction,
so
we'll
see
how
how
popular
exits
are.
A
A
How
can
you
basically
move
through
them
without
moving
from
maintenance,
because
yeah,
because
that
will
slow
things
down.
F
B
Popularity
judged
by
users
probably
l2
to
l2,
because
that's
what
like
all
of
you
know,
every
individual
user
would
want
to
do.
But
when
you're
talking
about
like
liquidity
flowing,
I
imagine
large
liquidity
providers
would
want
to
go
back
to
mainnet
to
like
get
to
arbitrage,
something.
So
I
think
the
liquidity.
B
What
will
end
up
happening
is,
like
you,
have
these
liquidity
providers
that
service
retail
users
that
are
looking
to
go
from
l2
to
l2
and
in
the
background,
like
they're,
managing
liquidity
from
l2
and
mainnet,
primarily
those
different
l2
and
main
nets,
primarily
so
like
the
flows
yeah,
because
eventually
you're
gonna
have
to
go
through.
Mainnet
or
liquidity
providers
will
have
to
control
those
flows,
but
I
think
there
will
be
services.
B
This
is
like
the
hopper
one,
and
this
is
why
I
think
it's
a
really
great
opportunity
for
for
swapper,
and
maybe
the
resurgence
of
rails,
to
be
able
to
own
that
bridge
experience,
because
it's
really
going
to
be
about
who
can
have
liquidity
pools
on
different
chains,
and
so
therefore,
it's
just
like
an
accounting
measure
when
they're
doing
these
cross-bridge
things
rather
than
going
through
the
whole.
Like
security
of
the
protocol
to
ensure
the
transfer.
F
J
So
I'm
actually
bearish
on
ethereum
bridges
from
mainnet
to
l2
and
even
like
side
chains
like
I
tried
to
do
something
like
move
this
like
die
from
binance
to
binance
chain
and
then
bridge
it
to
extine
and
basically
on
ev
and
on
every
blockchain.
There
is
a
die
represent,
which
is
crazy,
like
what
I
mean
is.
J
J
F
B
Andromeda,
I
think
you're
right.
It's
just
like
that's
an
opportunity
for
products
and
services
to
fill
that
gap
and
make
that
experience
like
easy,
like
there
will
be
a
winning
stable
coin
on
each
chain.
Right
it'll
be
some
like
derivative
of
that
by
the
disguise
point.
There
will
be
a
very
easy
way
for
you
to
have
your
whatever
shitty
token
a
stable
coin,
a
you're
bringing
from
chain
this
other
chain
when
you're
bringing
it
to
this
other
one
there'll
be
like
a
product
or
service.
B
That
instantly
gets
you
into
like
the
most
liquid
service
there.
So
I
just
think
like
that's
where
all
of
the
enhancements
I
think
are
going
to
come
is
from
that
bridging
experience,
because
it
is
like
super.
A
Sloppy,
whatever
happened
to
atomic
swaps,
because
I.
A
A
Like
it's
a
name
no,
but
but
the
technology
for
atomic
swaps,
right
where
it's
like
a
multi-phase
locking
between
let's
say,
die
on
different
l2s
or
you
know,
die
on
different
chains
like
if
it's
the
same
asset.
It
makes
it
very.
A
J
Cosmos
actually
fix
the
the
bridging
issue
right
if
you
have
died
like
if
your
bridge
died
through
the
gravity
bridge,
if
it's,
if
it
will
be
like
life,
then
there's
just
like
one
represent
of
dying.
You
can
move
the
stuff
through
through
blockchains
and
you
don't,
like.
The
user
doesn't
need
to
care
about
that
anymore
and
they
don't
need
to
pay
for
like
curved
clones
on
each
blockchain.
B
Yeah,
I
just
don't
think
it
needs
to
be
solved
at
the
protocol
level.
I
agree
that
the
user
experience
will
be
fixed
but
like
I
think
there
will
probably
be
centralized
solutions
that
pop
up
or
like
dows,
that
can
like
provide
liquidity
on
on
both
of
them,
as
opposed
to
having
like
the
most
elegant
protocol
design.
That
allows
the
switching
to
happen
seamlessly.
B
A
Anyway,
yeah
all
right
is
there
anything
else
before
we
end
the
call,
I
think,
we're
a
bit
over
time.