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From YouTube: Product Strategy Call [2022-08-05]
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00:06 Welcome
01:00 Budget Discussion with other
48:58 Product Revenue and Sustainability
B
Yeah
Chris,
if
you
want
to
share
yours,
that's
fine
I
have
like
a
simplified.
It's
not
really
like
the
full
expense
report
like
you
have
posted,
but
it's
it
was
just
kind
of
like
the
Staffing
and
then
some
like
estimates
on
additional
spend
per
team,
but
yeah
whatever
you
guys
think,
is
best
I'm
happy
to
share
that
again.
If
it's
useful,
let.
D
Yeah
I
think
they're,
like
mostly
the
same
I'd
kind
of
done
a
little
bit
more
on
the
like
what
are
the
some
of
the
specifics
upcoming
they're,
trying
to
like
pencil,
those
in
from
like
a
line
item
base,
and
so
I
guess
like
there's
a
place
of
looking
at
this
from
like
just
super
high
level
of
where
is
detail,
spending
money
and
I.
Think
that's
not
too
controversial
or
there's
not
really
a
question
on
like
where
that
is.
D
D
So
I
think
that's
an
angle
and
then
like
within
the
products.
Looking
at
like
look
at
where
there
are
opportunities,
where
can
we
kind
of
deploy,
deploy
things
there?
So
yeah
I
mean
I,
guess
just
like
quickly
walk
through
what
this
was.
This
kind
of
is
I,
guess,
11
days
old,
so
it's
a
little
bit
old
with
a
lot
of
things
that
have
kind
of
already
changed
a
little
bit
and
even
some
of
the
expenses
that
we
had
done.
D
Are
it's
not
two
months
away
so
I'm
hoping
to
do
an
update
on
those,
but,
broadly
speaking,
you
can
kind
of
see
the
breakdown
and
the
breakdown
of
where
the
the
expenses.
Basically,
if
you
look
at
like
the
last
three
months
and
where
expenses
have
been
for
contributors
for
different
squads
and
and
then
look
at
kind
of
the
expenses
we
know
are
upcoming
in
terms
of
maybe
there's
swap
our
budgeting
like
a
25
000
audit
budget,
geeksgov
having
like
a
someone
one
there
and
so
yeah
I.
D
Think
if
you
put
those
together,
this
is
just
like
what
the
current
state
is.
You
get
something
like
around
just
under
like
a
300K
burn
rate
and
so
I
think
that's
where
we
are
right
now
and
then
I
guess,
there's
like
a
question
of
where
to
go
going
forward
and
I.
Think
there's
like
a
discussion
about
that
about.
What's
the
best
strategy
and
like
how
do
we
do
that?
D
But
then
I
think
in
terms
of
like
the
process,
I
do
think
it's
important
to
try
to
get
into
the
habit
of
like
approving
this
idea
of
like
this
is
what
the
money
will
be
spent
on,
because
that
gives
better
like
reflection
and
kind
of
accountability
for
when
the
the
funds
are
allocated
so
I
think
going
forward.
When
we're
making
questions
about
allocation,
it's
actually
very
helpful
to
have
like
past
budgets
and
looking
at
whether
we
we
do
that
there
so
yeah
I,
guess
that's
kind
of
where
I'm
coming
from
I
know
John.
B
D
E
B
It
plus
three
Space
Inch
people.
What
I
did
here
in
this
spreadsheet
is
to
separate
QA
and
auditing
costs
into
their
own
tab,
so
you
can
just
kind
of
see
the
teams
at
a
winky
devil
on
George,
Leo,
Diego,
Paolo
and
then
three
guys
from
space
inch
doing
Dev
work,
and
you
know
one
thing
to
note
too
here
is
that
four
of
the
folks
here
are
actually
part-time.
B
So
that's
just
like
where,
where
things
are
on
on
swapper
governance
in
reality,
right
now
and
I,
think
Chris's
spreadsheet
like
reflects
this
like
Toronto,
is
not
full-time
augusto's
less
than
full-time,
but
this
is
what
it
would
be
if
everybody
was
full-time
I
think
Ross
had
had
called
for
maybe
adding
somebody
in
his
plan
there,
but
this
is
kind
of
like
where
we
are
right
now.
Carrot
is
really
just
Federico
being
dedicated
to
it.
Obviously,
there's
the
general
support
stuff
on
QA.
We
have
Milan
Philip
and
then
Casper
from
space
inch.
B
I,
just
split
so
Space
Inch
doesn't
want
to
reveal
what
it
is
paying
on
like
a
like
a
line
item
basis
publicly,
because
it
doesn't
want
to
reveal
like
its
rates
and
stuff
to
its
its
employees,
and
so
what
I
did
here
is
just
to
Simply.
Take
like
their
last
one
of
their
proposals
and
like
divide
it
by
the
number
of
people.
I
think
it
was
like
40K
for,
like
four
people,
I
may
have
rounded
down
a
little
bit.
It's
like
10K
per
person.
D
D
D
So
I
think
this
is
for
like
five
people
that
would
be
for,
like
the
that
year,
that's
budgeted
and
then
like
a
swapper
audit
there,
and
then
this
is
where
this
swapper
space
inch
comes
in
and
I
guess
actually
I'm
thinking.
If
the
QA
is
split
out,
maybe
that
should
be
in
the
yeah
in
the
other
one
in
the
ecosystem,
development
security,
so
that's
swapper
and
then
like
DX
gov.
We
see
here
is
like
a
similar
format
here
in
terms
of
the
contributors
and
yeah.
D
D
It
maybe
is
like
better
put
in
this,
like
you
know:
ecosystem
development,
security,
one
which
is
kind
of
like
cross
products
there
and
then
yeah
the
event
stipends
emitted,
hackathon
kind
of
that's
I-
think
this
I'd
split
that
over
both
I
think
this
one
ecosystem,
development,
security
and
then
also
DX
voice.
So
there's
some
some
there
and
then
governance.
This
is
something
a
kind
of
an
idea.
I
thought
you
know.
D
Maybe
we
had
thought
about
kind
of
getting
some
of
this
part-time
or
someone
helping
out
with
some
of
the
operations
with
Dave
and
I.
Maybe
somewhere
later
on
the
year-
and
here
this
is
I
kind
of
explained
a
little
bit
in
the
post,
but
I
think
Radix
Dao
we
have,
we
think
everyone
should
be
doing
governance
and
so
actually
for
all
of
the
contributor
costs.
I
put
everybody
their
squad.
Two
would
be
like
five
percent
devoted
for
governance,
just
because
I
do
think.
D
That's
something
that
everyone
we
should
be
accounting
for
for
taking
time
out
of
out
of
that,
and
so
it
is
kind
of
a
I.
Don't
know
if
it's
symbolic
or
it
matters
but
I
think
it's
it's
good.
It's
good,
at
least
to
know
that
that's
what
it's
calculating
there
and
I
think
it
is
true
for
like
what
actually
we
do
and
actually
I
think
what
I
did
was
I
put.
D
Here,
you're,
actually
not
touching
the
level
or
the
percent
you're
using
kind
of
you're
you're
reading
in
from
the
other
sheet
there
and
I
think
that's
good
because,
like
there's
yeah,
as
you
said
like
recognizing,
like
okay,
people
are
working
on
governance
like
I,
think
zet,
for
instance,
I,
always
like
think
it's
made.
It's
important
that,
like
zet,
is
included
in
like
DX
voice,
because
he
does
a
lot
of
work
for
DX
voice
and
DX
voice
would
have
to
get
those.
You
know
we
still
get
that
help
elsewhere.
D
They
have
to
pay
for
that,
and
that's
also
like
time
away
from
swappers
I.
Don't
think
swappers
should
be
like
as
as
penalized
for
that
there
and
yeah
I
guess
just
get
to
its
voice.
This
is
merch
events
and
those
are
actually
stipends
and
I.
Think
the
sponsorship
actually
was
more
with
the
infinite.
I
might
have
to
look
at
that
again
and
yeah.
This
was
just
a
couple
different
things.
D
Even
the
podcast
extra
I
don't
know
if
that's
going
to
be
used,
but
it
just
Keenan
been
talking
about
operation
decentralization,
and
maybe
there
are
some
additional
things
there
for
for
DX
voice,
yeah
and
so
that's
kind
of
like
it.
You
can
see.
Some
of
these
are
smaller
and
even
like
contributor
X.
This
is
mostly
like,
obviously
Melanie
and
Ali,
but
there
are
other
people
that
do
devote
some
of
their
time
to
that.
D
So
it's
important
to
account
for
that
and
then,
like
with
contributor
X
part
of
its
budget,
which
Melanie
put
together
right,
is
that's
the
DX
Bogota
Columbia
Retreat
and
then
like
the
chord
nape,
which
are
you
know,
coordinated
by
contributor
X's.
So
that's
included
there
and
I
think
there
are
like
interesting
conversations
on
like
where
costs
go
in
terms
of
you
know,
I
think
there
was
like
a
Paris
dinner
I,
don't
know
if
that
was
I,
think
it
was
Big.
D
Space
made
Jake's
voice,
and
so
those
are
all
all
there
and
so
yeah
I
think
this
like
activity
of
like
this
is
what
the
costs
are
going
to
be
and
then
like
going
back
and
looking
the
expenses
of
what
they
are
is
a
healthy
one,
and
so
I
think
this
is
pretty
in
the
details
of
like
where
we
are
right
now
and
there's,
like
maybe
things
to
quibble
over
or
re-categorize
or
any
anything
there.
But
it's
more
of
I
think
like
yeah,
where
we
are
now
not
necessarily
like
where
things
should
go.
D
D
So
I,
like
yeah,
so
I,
pulled
that
together
here,
mostly
from
yeah,
you
can
kind
of
look.
There
is
an
events
category
here
for
all
of
those,
and
so
some
of
these
stipends
actually
like
were
included
like
the
Paris
ones,
and
so
that's
why
I
think
it's
like
probably
close
to
like
a
hundred
thousand,
but
this
just
adds
up
all
the
stipends
for
the
different
squads.
D
D
B
C
D
Yeah
I
mean
I,
think
that
was
I,
think
and
I'm
just
thinking
of
like.
Let
me
click
this.
The
TX
like
I,
think
most
of
them
were
estimated
by
the
people
that
submitted
them.
I
think
I
did
the
swapper
ones,
because
the
only
one
that
was
estimated
but
I
think
like
Deets,
gov,
I,
think
in
the
one
that
Ross
had
in
contributor
X
both
had
the
estimations
of
what
it
is
so
I
think
those
are
probably
like
yeah
people
that
are
actually
planning
to
go
now.
D
E
Oh
good,
so
I
I
want
to
say
that
we
anticipate
I,
think
at
most
25
DX
style
contributors
to
go
and
people
have
been
already
putting
up
their
stipend
and
it's
been
around
like
4
000
for
each
person.
So
I
guess
like
that.
100K
is
a
good
estimate.
I
mean
it
could
be
up
to
you
know:
4
500
per
person
fall
I'm.
D
B
B
B
Don't
know
if
conservatives
are
at
work,
conservative
from
a
budgeting
standpoint,
we
were
like
working
with
a
single
auditor,
Phil
and-
and
that
was
it
for,
like
some
of
our
earlier
stuff,
that
we
were
doing
so
there's
like
ways
you
know,
there's
other
dimensions
to
security
like
you
can
limit
the
amount
of
funds
at
first.
You
have
bug
bounties,
you
know.
B
Obviously
our
processes
internally
are
very
important
to
our
our
like
quality
of
code
and
security,
so
there's
different
dimensions
to
it
and
like
just
kind
of
trying
to
make
the
point
that
we
can
take
different
approaches
to
that,
we
could
limit
it
to.
You
know
maybe
like
just
an
Omega
team
style
audit,
or
we
could
even
step
it
up.
If
we
felt
like
it
was.
It
was
more
serious
like
many
of
the
big
projects
in
crypto.
You
know
get
more
than
two
audits
right,
but
but
yeah
just
to
provide
some
context
around
that.
F
In
the
last
I
can't
remember,
someone
recently
shared
a
project,
I
can't
remember
who
it
was
and
I
think
their
main
audit
was
published
and
it
was
code,
Arena
and
code
arena.
Is
this
like
a
newer
type
where
you
like
you
crowdfund
the
Audits
and
I
I?
Think
it's
a
better
deal,
but
that's
worth
if
there's
name
brand
projects
that
are
using
it
now
and
that's
their
main
audit,
it
may
be
worth
exploring
if
it's
if
it's
more
efficient.
B
A
You
know,
there's
the
index
Finance
hacker,
the
the
guy
from
Canada.
He
was
actually
prior
to
the
hack
one
of
the
winning
hackers
reviewing
code
in
code
Arena
so
like.
If,
if
you
expose
your
contracts
to
to
those
hackers,
there's
no
guarantee
that
someone
will
keep
some
information
secret
unless
someone
else
finds
a
bug,
the
same
bug
and
then
exploit
it
for
themselves
later.
So,
there's.
B
Yeah
there's
a
natural
incentive
where
like
if,
if
you
were
getting
paid,
you
know
20K
40K
and
you
find
a
bug
that
can
be
exploited
for
a
couple
million
right.
There's
an
incentive
there
for
people
to
act
maliciously
and
steal
it
and
exploit
it
later.
So
there
is
this
like
element
of
trust
and
I.
Think
the
conventional
wisdom
on
that
is,
like
you
can
sort
of
mitigate
that
by
one
getting
multiple
teams
to
audit,
but
also
like
you.
F
E
A
A
D
That
kind
of
seems
definitely
something
we
want
to
be
investing
in
and
I
guess.
Just
like
looking
ahead
for
the
rest
of
the
year.
Do
we
think
there's
going
to
be
any
big
audit
needed?
That
would
like
justify
like
the
sigma
primes
of
the
world,
or
is
that
something
we're
looking
at
like
when
we
have
like
a
more
like
gov
2.0
ready?
And
it's
like?
D
Okay,
we're
gonna
use
that
to
to
start
working
with
like
Sigma
Prime,
because
I
think
we
should
definitely
be
managing
like
keeping
relationships
with
Omega
and
like
keeping
like
having
lots
of
work
for
them.
For
like
various
things
that
are
being
worked,
working
on
and
then
like
for
the
big
ones
that
we
need,
looking
for
the
brand
name
but
I
think
it's
like
important
that
we
are
selected
for
when
we
use
the
brand
name.
B
Exactly
like,
we
should
be
doing
that
thought
process
ahead
of
time.
Right
like
in
our
planning,
is
this
product,
something
that
is
in
a
position
to
have
success
like
we
want
to
always
plan
for
Success
otherwise,
like
what
are
you
even
doing
right
and
I?
Think
you
do
want
that
name,
brand
audit
it
on
it.
If
you're
going
to
have
you
know
tens
of
millions
of
dollars
of
people's
money
locked
up
and
exposed
in
a
platform
that
you're
launching
right
so
I
think
with
like
carrot.
B
We
definitely
have
that
ambition,
but
there's
different
approaches
to
it.
Right
like
we
didn't
necessarily
have
to
go
forward
and
get
the
expensive
audit.
We
could
have
said
well
we'll
hold
off
on
the
expensive
audit
until
we
we
see
enough
traction
proven
for
the
product
right
and
like
maybe
just
to
a
less
expensive
one.
First
and
then
cap
the
the
amount
we're
doing
in
the
campaign
such
that.
B
D
E
D
Learning
experience
from
working
with
top
auditing,
firm,
Sigma,
prime
or
whatever,
just
because,
like
the
report
that
they
have
is
going
to
be
very
thorough
and
I,
don't
know,
I
think
there
is
something
about
like
being
able
to
absorb
knowledge
for
yeah
something
special
for
something
smart
contracts.
That
I
think
we
also
should
be
looking.
F
B
C
B
B
B
C
Terms,
yeah,
absolutely
yes,
yeah.
It's
kind
of
difficult
to
quantify
because,
like
there
were
similar
things
that
both
because
we've
actually
had
Omega
and
sigma
look
at,
they
were
looking
at
two
different
sets
of
contracts,
but
there
was
overlap,
and
the
permissions
registry,
for
example,
and
I,
don't
believe
Omega
found
anything
else.
C
Actually.
In
that
example,
it's
a
bit
different
because
Sigma
gave
us
some
really
good
reports
back
on
like
what
needed
expecting.
Alexa
solutions
to
it,
whereas
I
would
actually
argue
like
a
mango
is
a
bit
better
because
we're
like
on
a
call
with
yellow
and
we're
like
talking
through
Solutions,
which
yeah
they're
very
different
I,
would
say.
B
That
feedback
cycle
is
better
and
like
it
seems
Sigma
Prime
is
reluctant
to
like
actually
yeah
like
they
want
to
communicate
through
their
business
person
and
I.
Don't
know,
I
think
we
could
maybe
push
to
be
in
direct
contact
with
the
Auditors
I
haven't
like
demanded
that
you
know
we
could,
if
that
was
like
seen
as
high
value,
but
yeah.
B
Mean
I
think
one
way
people
tend
to
you
know
it's,
maybe
not
super
explicit,
but
I
think
a
way
that
people
evaluate
and
like
the
quality
and
also
like
why
it's
important
to
do
these.
Others
is
how
many
critical
bugs
that
they
find
right
like
because
when
they
find
something,
that's
like.
Oh,
if
you
didn't
know
this
you'd
have
lost
all
your
money.
It's
kind
of
demonstrates
the
value
right
and
I'd
have
to
go
back.
B
B
So
care,
if
you
want
to
look
like
it,
was
good
and
there
is
no
like
I-
think
near-term
needs
for
anything
on
carrot.
Part
of
the
carrot.
V1
design,
though,
is
to
like
support
templates,
so
I
think
in
theory.
If
it
was
successful
like
further
down
the
line,
something
you
would
want
to
audit
would
be
additional
templates
that
it
also
in
three
could
be
coming
from
like
the
community,
but
that
would
be
further
out
and
I
think
it
would
definitely
be
something.
B
We'd
we'd
want
to
see
some
traction
with
what
we've
built
now
before
even
planning
something
like
that
and
okay,
then
on
swapper
there
is
a
need
to
update
the
fee
receiver
and
there's
been
some.
Do
we
have
to
swap?
We
don't
have
sets
on
vacation,
I,
think
Frankie's
also
out
right,
so
they're
not
going
to
be
able
to
talk
to
what
they
want
to
do
with
this.
B
But
but
basically
it's
there's
some
ideas
there
too,
about
how
we
could
like
split
the
protocol
fee
with
liquidity
providers
and
specific
other
projects
that
would
require
like
another,
like
layer
on
top
of
the
fee
receiver,
but
the
fee
receiver
itself.
Just
needs
some
updates,
so
those
are
smaller
things
on
the
size
of
like
carrot
care,
if
you
want
maybe
like
half
of
that
or
something
and
then
I
think
something
that
we've
long
kind
of
known,
I.
B
Think
probably
everybody
here
is
probably
familiar
with
this,
but
it
would
be
nice
to
have
an
updated
farming
contracts
that
don't
require,
like
the
farmer
to
have
to
migrate
every
two
weeks
or
whatever
the
periods
are
even
probably
is
best.
First
in
this,
this
pain
and
Binky
is
as
well
and
the
rest
of
everybody.
B
That's
been
supporting
that,
but
that
would
be
nice
to
upgrade
I
think
we're,
probably
all
on
that
page
and
then
I
think
the
bigger
thing
for
a
swapper
would
be
going
forward
if
there
is
like
an
upgrade
so
to
speak,
to
the
core
protocol,
which
is
currently
unit
swap
V2.
If
we
wanted
to
get
current
to
maybe
do
something
more
like
what
Trident
or
curve
or
uniswap
has
done,
we'd
be
deploying
new
contracts,
I
think
there.
E
B
Some
other
ideas
in
the
running
on
like
what
the
upgrade
would
be
but
yeah
in
theory
that
could
be
a
a
big
auditing
cost
or
if,
but
it
could
also
be
less
depending
on
on
the
approach
on
governance.
I
think
the
big
thing
is
gov
2.0,
because
you're
talking
about
well
guilds
are
also
big,
but
we've
already
spent
the
money
because
we
want
other
people
to
use
them
and
store
their
treasuries
on
it
right.
B
Gov
2.0
is
probably
the
big
one
for
us,
because
we
want
to
trust
our
treasury
to
that,
and
we'd
also
want
other
people
to
use
it.
So
there's
definitely
some
governance
stuff
coming
down
the
road,
even
though
we've
done
some
stuff
already,
there's
I
think
going
to
be
a
couple.
Big
ones
still
left
before
we
ship
codes,
2.0.
C
C
A
But
still
like,
overall,
with
Innovation,
comes
the
need
for
auditing
contracts
and
it's
better
to
project
ahead
with
a
cushion
than
end
up
having
to
dip
into
the
treasury
and
extend
the
budget
due
to
some
unforeseen
expenses,
because
the
the
priority
moving
forward
should
really
be
innovating
and
generating
revenue.
And
if
that
requires
audits,
it
may
be
an
immediate
expense,
but
it
will
pay
off.
B
B
A
A
The
products
into
each
other
as
well,
if
it
cannot
be
done
not
on
a
smart
contract
level,
if
it
requires
smart
contract
interaction,
then
it
would
require
like
further
auditing
and
generally
the
the
difference
between
budgeting
and
and
creating
a
roadmap
in
a
bull
versus
a
bear.
Market
is
in
in
a
bull
market.
A
A
In
a
similar
way.
We
could
rate
the
activities
within
the
Dow
based
on
the
value
adds
they
have
for
the
Dow
and
prioritize
from
there,
because
just
curbing
cost
will
help,
but
it's
also
not
the
long-term
solution.
If
it
affects
productivity,
so
the
the
highest
Improvement
would
likely
come
from
yield
and
revenue
generation
and
and
because
the
treasury
is
in
East,
Stables
DxD
product
tokens.
I.
A
Think
the
the
initiative
that
Chris
is
driving
with
the
token
model
would
be
productive
and
helpful
because
with
and
it
will
be
intertwined
and
closely
related
to
product
development
roadmap
Revenue,
it
will
bleed
into
the
product
tokens
the
txt
token,
and
hopefully
we
we
could
come
out
of
the
bear
strong,
but
yeah.
It's
a
lot
of
things
that
are
connected
it.
We
can't
say
we
should
focus
on
this
and
leave
that
for
later,
because
they're
actually,
depending
on
each
other
in
a
way.
B
Yeah
I
think
it's
hard
to
like
really
predict
something
like
auditing,
because
it
may
be
that
there's
something
that
just
is
like
blowing
up
and
you're
getting
a
lot
of
traction
and
then
you're
like
oh
wow.
This
is
like
a
no-brainer.
We
need
to
spend
the
money
on
this
right,
but
I
think
one
way
to
approach.
It
would
be
to
cut
it
to
set
a
budget
for
the
next
year,
like
2023,
right
and
kind
of
say
this
is
what's
approved
and
like,
and
that
could
be
something
we
could
do
for
auditing.
B
That's
something
we
could
do
for
events,
and
that
would
be
a
forcing
function
for
the
teams
to
decide
how
to
spend
that
money
in
the
best
way
right
and
then
anything
above
that
would
need
to
like
need
an
additional
like
justification
of
like
you
know.
This
is
why,
like
it's,
it's
an
exception
right.
D
And
one
of
the
you're
talking
about
new
auditing
things
popping
up
and
I'm
thinking
more
about
like
the
new
chains
and
we're
just
like,
or
even
like
this,
like
arbitrum
upgrade,
that
is
there
like
another
category
of
audits
for
yeah
like
where
maybe
we're
deploying
to
a
slightly
different
evm
chain
or
I,
really
think
the
upgrade
one
for
arbitrum
is
like
what
I'm
thinking
are
there
going
to
be
other
things
like
that?
No
system,
I,
guess
notice,.
G
B
Well,
this
was
back
when
it
was
xdi
early
on
that
were
slightly
different
than
what
you
had
on
mainnet.
So
that
was
like
one
of
the
conditions
that
like
if
that
had
not
been
the
case,
if
it
really
was
just
exactly
the
same
conditions
as
you
had
a
minute,
the
heck
wouldn't
have
happened,
so
I
mean
there's
Nuance
there
and,
like
you
probably
do
want
to
be
incorporating
this
kind
of
thinking
into
your
security
planning.
B
Right
like
we
should
be
thinking
about
this
kind
of
thing
like
what
what
is
different
about
this,
even
though
it's
an
evm
chain
like
do,
we
have
to
worry
about
the
bridges
like
how
are
we
worrying
about
the
bridges
like
in
addition
to
that,
we
should
be
worrying
about
our
processes
and
stuff
on
the
front
ends.
You
can
even
have
hacks
that
pretty
bad
hacks
on
the
front
ends.
Badger
hack
was
a
good
example
of
like
a
a
bad
hack.
B
That
was
not
a
smart
contract
problem
was
actually
a
front-end
problem,
so
so
yeah
I
mean
to
the
short
answer
to
your
question.
Is
yes,
there's
other
things
that
we
need
to
think
about,
especially
in
a
multi-chain
world,
the
in
theory
the
evm
ones
should
be
pretty
minimal
on
the
smart
contract
side
of
things,
but
we
probably
want
to
to
have
people
paying
attention
and
keeping
a
heads
up,
Beyond,
just
the
smart
contracts
on
the
ZK
Roll-Ups
that
are
sort
of
coming
around
the
bend.
B
If
we
want
to
compete
in
that
Arena,
which
I
think
sort
of
probably
makes
sense,
then
it's
it's
not
clear
to
me.
This
was
something
I
was
trying
to
tease
out
in
Amsterdam,
but,
like
I
had
mentioned
this
to
some
people
on
some
calls
but
went
up
to
Alex
from
matter
labs
and
I.
Think
there's
Omar
from
from
starkware
and
I
asked
them
directly
after
their
talk
after
their
panel,
like
you
know,
are
you
are
we
gonna
need
to
audit
your
this?
B
These
smart
contracts
to
deploy
on
it
and
like
Omar,
gave
me
more
of
a
like
kind
of
loaded
answer,
but
my
takeaway
was
basically
yes
like
there's
going
to
be
some
auditing
concerns
on
this
stuff.
If
they're
not
like
full
ZK
evm,
so
there's
yeah
I
mean
it's
complicated
and
it
really
depends
on
each
chain
that
you're
looking
at
but
the.
But
there
is
these
like
additional
concerns.
D
B
B
B
Which,
on
which
asset?
Is
it
the
x
value
yeah
under
access?
So
yeah?
Those
the
does
that
include
the
rewards
because,
like
the
the
deposit,
the
core
deposit
thing
in
this
money
markets
are
like
fluctuating
right
like
and
that
should
attract
new
people
to
deposit,
and
then
it
goes
down
a
little
bit.
But.
F
G
D
B
B
B
D
B
A
A
D
D
I
mean
there
is
like
a
claim
like
what
did
the
ethereum
foundation
get
a
uni
airdrop
for
that
hundred
thousand
dollars
that
they
gave
to
find
uniswap
I
mean
I,
think
most
of
the
like
secondary
non-l.
One
projects
have
done
like
the
uniswap.
If
you
don't
have
a
token
first,
you
do
the
labs
thing
right,
uniswap,
Labs,
compound
Labs
but
like.
If
you
have
a
token,
then
you
need
to
create
a
foundation
that
can
somehow
like
manage
it
in
some
other
way.
I,
don't
know
what
yeah
funding
a
bunch
of
stuff.
A
All
right
so
next
on
the
agenda,
we
got
products,
revenue
and
sustainability.
I
think
we
could
have
a
lot
of
progress
on
this
when
we
gather
together
in
Bogota
for
the
retreat
and
have
some
good
brainstorming
with
white
boards
and
think
this
through
I
believe
there
was
a
bit
of
a
breakthrough
and
a
lot
happened
since
the
the
previous
retreat
in
Lisbon.
A
So
I
I'm
I'm,
pretty
optimistic
that
we
could
come
up
with
some
good
decisions.
Moving
forward
for
the
Dow
for
the
roadmap,
the
products
and
I
believe
Chris.
You
kind
of
like
envisioned
that
the
token
model
group
would
start
working
and
conclude
at
the
same
time
that
we
have
the
retreat
like
it
ends
on
the
third
month
from
its
establishment
for
of
the
group,
and
it
ends
in
Bogota
right.
D
A
D
Do
like
I
guess
is
this:
the
revenue
I
feel
like
the
revenue
and
sustainable
like
revenue,
is
kind
of
like
a
separate
question.
I
think
we're
not
said
it's
obviously
related,
but,
like
you
can
kind
of
like
figure
out
how
to
maximize
Revenue,
regardless
of
how
you're
trying
to
distribute
that
revenue
and
I
think
that's
like
kind
of
an
important.
That's
a
related
conversation.
Yeah.
A
We
really
need
product
tokens
when
we
have
DxD
and
then
we
kind
of
like
figured
out
a
model
that
actually
works
for
us
to
have
DxD
and
product
tokens,
and
a
lot
of
the
conversation
would
be
revolving
around
that
and
how
product
tokens
and
the
revenue
that
those
products
generate
interacts
with
DX
Dao
and
the
DxD
token
as
well,
so
so
that
you
don't
have
a
conflict
between
investors
or
Governors,
say
in
in
those
products
and
the
dxt
token
holders
so
yeah.
It's
it's
actually
a
pretty
important
and
tough
subject
to
tackle.