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A
A
I
I
thought
about
it
personally,
I
feel
like
there's
been
some
momentum
right,
we've
been
carrying
on
for
a
while
we're
growing
on
boring
people.
A
We
introduce
new
people
to
our
work,
environment
and
they're,
doing
the
stuff
that
they
feel
like
everyone
feels
we're
okay
with,
and
then
there
aren't
like
signals
from
anywhere,
either
internally
or
externally,
that
there's
something
inherently
wrong
with
the
whole
scheme
and-
and
we
just
carry
on
right
so,
but
if,
if
suddenly,
we
were
alerted
like
oh,
what
are
we
doing
it's
wrong?
Then
it,
I
don't
think,
there's
anyone
to
blame
like
we.
We
indeed
have
a
flat
structure
like
if
there
was
someone
who
was
clearly
appointed
as
responsible.
A
A
It
kind
of
like
feels
like
there
shouldn't
be
anyone
to
blame,
and,
and
now
we
have
people
providing
outside
perspective,
which
is
very
valuable
and
the
the
plan
moving
forward
should
be
for
us
to
just
evaluate
what
our
focus
should
be
collectively
together
as
a
team
and
deciding
how
we
should
if
there
is
a
need
for
it,
restructure
our
current
structure,
so
that
we
could
better.
A
And
it
it's
a
it's
a
little
weird,
seeing
amazing
people
kind
of
like
getting
into
heated
discussions,
it's
an
emotional
topic
and
we
all
feel
a
little
responsible.
Every
single
one
of
us
is
responsible
right
so
and
there
are
certain
people
who
kind
of
like
feel
like
they
carry
a
bigger
responsibility,
a
bigger
burden.
They
shouldn't
feel
like
that.
We,
we
are
all
responsible
and
it's
all
it's
up
to
us
as
a
team
together
to
to
get
us
out
of
this
situation
and
we
shouldn't
blow
it
out
of
proportion.
A
Venky
posted
on
on
dow
talk
asking:
what
should
we
focus
on?
Is
it
quick
profit
or
building
robust
decentralized
applications?
But
again,
even
even
if
we
go
down
the
second
route
which
we've
taken
for
quite
a
while,
it
should
still
have
the
prospect
of
any
profit
down
the
line,
because
every
system
should
have
sustainability
and
like
if
we
don't
portray
ourselves
clearly
to
the
outside
world
as
a
charity
which
we're
not
like
a
non-profit,
then
there's
not
an
ongoing
incoming
stream
of
donations
and
since
we're
not
receiving
donations
as
we're
not
marketing
ourselves.
A
As
a
non-profit
charity
doing
public
goods,
we
should
whether
short-term
or
long-term
still
have
it
on
our
minds
and
in
our
focus
to
to
have
a
clear
path
to
revenue
generation.
So
and
it's
not
something
we
should
like
stress
ourselves
to
to
death
or
to
the
point
that
we're
fighting
with
each
other
or
cannot
sleep
at
night
to
to
try
and
figure
out
asap
like.
Yes,
it's
number
one
priority
and
we'll
figure
it
out.
It
could
take
a
few
weeks
a
couple
of
months,
but
it's
not
like
it.
A
A
Product
leads,
we've
had
road
maps
and
every
time
someone
submits
a
proposal
on
doubt
talk
or
and
then
on
chain
as
a
contributor,
they
outline
what
they've
been
working
on
and
they
what
they
would
be
working
on
in
the
future
and
we've
all
voted
on
those
proposals
and
approved
them,
and
this
is
where
we
are.
If,
if
we
are
indeed
wrong
in
the
direction
we've
taken,
we
are
as
a
collective
to
blame.
There
shouldn't
be
a
single
person
singled
out
and
pointed
fingers
at.
A
But
at
the
same
time
there
shouldn't
be
anyone
whether
internal
or
external,
coming
right
now
pointing
fingers
and
saying
you've
been
doing
it
wrong
like
if
you
are
a
part
of
the
team,
you've
been
doing
it
wrong
too.
We've
all
been
doing
it
wrong,
but
it's
not
the
end
of
the
world,
let's
figure
it
out
and
it's
if,
if
something's
wrong,
don't
point
the
what's
wrong,
submit
a
solution.
Just
give
us
give
us
an
alternative
and
we'll
vote
on
the
alternative.
If
it's
better,
why
would
people
vote
against
it
right?
A
A
B
B
What
it's
trying
to
do,
building
things
with
an
on-chain
organization
is
completely
new
and
it's
also
really
really
hard,
and
so
I
think,
just
kind
of
having
some
humility
with
that
and
there's
a
lot
of
things,
we're
kind
of
figuring
out
here
and
trying
to
do,
and
also
that
things
take
time,
for
you
know
thing
for
understanding,
like
I'm
already
thinking
and
reflecting
off
of
kind
of
the
last
couple
days,
a
lot
of
the
input
there
and
I
think
we
just
need
some
of
it.
B
We
just
need
to
be
able
to
like
sit
with
it
and
let
some
ideas
do
and
then,
like
yeah,
come
up
with
with
new
things,
but
it's
it
yeah.
It
kind
of
takes
takes
some
time
for
this
yeah
kind
of
conversation.
I
think
to
go
through
everyone
to
go
through
dow
and
kind
of
all
that
so
yeah.
I
think
we're
kind
of
in
the
middle
of
it.
A
Yeah
there
is
some
low
hanging
fruit.
Some
of
it
comes
with
risk.
Of
course,
one
is
being
more
aggressive
and
utilizing
the
assets
for
you
generation,
but
at
the
same
time,
if
the
whole
reason
for
us
to
feel
like,
we
have
a
fire
under
our
asses
and
it's
because
of
worrying
if
we
have
enough
runway
like
does
that
make
us
risk
the
funds,
so
we
could
secure
more
runway
and,
at
the
same
time,
risking
that
runway
like
it's
like
it's
a
double-edged
sword
on
one
hand,
it
can
help
you
increase
the
runway.
A
On
the
other
hand,
you're
actually
jeopardizing
the
runway,
and
it's
it's
not
much
different.
With
restructuring
trying
to
figure
out
new
products
starting
from
scratch
or
trying
to
re
rebrand
or
rediscover
existing
products.
New
product
market
fits
so
there's
always
risk
involved.
We
probably
have
to
evaluate
pros
and
cons
a
lot
with
whatever
we
move
forward.
A
Also
that
there
has
been
something
that
has
been
mentioned
in
the
past
and
now
is
okrs.
Personally,
I
I
should
be
vocal.
I
I
don't
like
the
idea
of
that.
It
reminds
me
of
kind
of
like
commission
only
freelancer
work,
multi-level
marketing
it
I'm
I'm
sad
to
say
it.
But
if
we
go
down
that
route
it
will
attract
low-skilled,
poor
people,
over-promising
and
under-delivering.
A
We
will
lose
our
community,
we'll
lose
our
organization.
We've
had
numerous
projects
throughout
the
years.
Have
five
different
commission
only
freelancers
try
to
show
their
product
to
us
in
our
discord
and
it's
a
really
sad
picture.
It's
a
bad
look.
When
the
taoists
were
forming
th
the
now
called
dow
planet.
A
They
they
had
a
lot
of
former
bankless
dow
folk
who
were
complaining
about
the
top-down
bankless
dial
model,
where
the
bottom
is
low,
quality
and
ineffective,
and
and
if
there
are
a
few
decent
people,
they
feel
insignificant
and
used
and
at
the
same
time,
and
that
culture
was
transferred
to
dell
planet
and
it
was
a
bit
of
a
show
with
fund
mismanagement
and
stuff.
A
Like
that,
I
don't
feel
like
a
top-down
structure
with
and
and
people
being
held
like
micromanaged
or
held
responsible
with
okrs
trying
to
over
promise
and
being
stressed
and
trying
to
pester.
A
C
Okay,
now
that
we
touched
upon
pairs,
I
I
had
to
say
that
you
know
okrs
are
never.
If
it
is
implemented
right,
it
is
never
meant
to
link
the
compensation
or
link
rewards
based
on
how
much
of
how
much
of
okrs
that
we
have
achieved.
So
it
is
it
is.
It
is
supposed
to
be
from
the
bottom
up
where
we
have
a
goal
of
an
organization.
We
have
an
objective,
and
then
we
try
to
find
out
what
are
all
the
initiatives
that
we
will
do
to
reach
that
objective.
C
One
thing
that
I
one
thing
one
one
reason
why
I
couldn't
move
on
from
the
previous
time
that
I
tried
was
because
nobody
was
interested.
It
was
one
thing
and
then
I
couldn't
find
okay,
who
is
this
one
person
who
can
give
me
the
objectives
and
then
dxdot
didn't
have
a
specific
objective,
except
for
that
we
wanted
to
build
decentralized
suit
of
products.
That
was
that
was
it.
We
want
to
build
and
ship
decentralized
suit
of
products,
and
then,
once
I
drill
down
to
that,
it
was
hard
because
we
could
not.
C
C
It
was
hard
to
measure
what
we
would
achieve
right.
So
that
was
one
of
the
reasons
why
it
didn't
go
through
previously
and
even
now,
if
we
all
decide
that
yeah,
maybe
we
should
try
okrs
right
now
we
should
we
should
have
an
objective.
So
if
the
objective
states
that
yeah
revenue
is
going
to
be
revenue
is
going
to
be
the
objective
for
the
year
2023,
then
then
we
should
start
from
there.
Okay,
what
are
all
the
products
that
we
are
working
on?
C
What
is
the
spending
that
we
are
doing,
and
then
we
figure
out?
Okay,
which
areas
we
could
work
on
to
get
more
objectives
and
then
it's
driven
by
a
lot
of
initiatives.
So
if
it
comes
to
swapper,
then
we
might
probably
want
to
ship
a
few
features
that
adds
fees
to
certain
activities
and
so
on,
and
these
are
all
run
by
different
set
of
initiatives.
C
To
to
achieve
that
particular
objective
and
okrs
are
always
meant
to
challenge
each
team,
so
it
is
not
meant
to
say
that
yeah
we
have
completed
100
of
whatever
that
we
set
out
to
achieve,
because
then,
if
you
do
this
hundred
percent,
it
means
that
you
have
set
very
low
objectives
and
if
you-
and
it
is
also
not
meant
to
it-
is
also
not
meant
that
you
have
like
okay
make
them
make
one
million
dollars
in
fees.
You
cannot.
C
You
cannot
just
keep
an
objective
like
that,
because
then
you
will
start
demotivating
yourself.
Your
team
gets
de-money,
because
these
are
unobtainable
objectives
right,
so
yeah.
It
is
for
us
to
know
where
we
are
and
then
try
to
create
objectives
where
we
will
be
able
to
achieve
60
to
70
percent
and
then
have
the
remaining
30
as
a
stretch
goal
and
with
all
the
quarterly
plannings
that
we
are
doing
currently
in
swapper.
C
It
was
not
about
revenue,
it
was
always
about
user
experience
and
bringing
more
markets
and
networks,
and
it
was
always
about
that.
So
it
was
always
about
trying
to
find
out
what
our
velocity.
D
C
C
Then
we'll
probably
change
our
objective.
E
Right,
thank
you.
That's
that
all
totally
makes
sense
and
the
other
question
which
you've
also
raised,
and
it's
very
important,
and
we
we
don't
have
an
answer
for
this-
is
how
do
we
deal
with
the
core
like
either
chain
compromising
or
maintaining
the
core
values
of
what
dx
dial
has
said
so
far
in
terms
of
full
privacy,
with
zero
tracking?
E
No
targeting
all
that
kind
of
stuff
actual
as
much
full
decentralization
as
possible
versus
using
centralized
things
to
be
on
lots
of
chains,
because
we
could
get
money
that
way
and
without
without
very
clearly
outlining
what
the
plan
is
for
those
compromises
versus
holding
values
right,
like
those
have
always
been
a
huge
factor
in
the
way
that
the
products
are
made
and
used
and
built,
and
I
don't
know
if
you
can
make
the
roadmap
for
revenue
or
for
growth
or
for
user
experience
until
you
first
define
and
answer
those
questions
which
you've
already
raised,
and
it's
the
reason
why
it's
confusing
is
because
we
don't
know
the
answer
to
that.
E
E
How
did
will
it
lead
to
like
better
marketing
or
better
a
chance
for
revenue
and
stuff,
so
that
has
to
actually
come
first
right
like
because,
because
that's
confusing
as
hell
and
that's
that's
not
something
that
anyone
from
the
outside
is
even
looking
at
right.
That's
like
only
the
stuff
we
think
about
inside
the
x
dial.
So
the
outsiders
don't
even
know
about
this
this
this
problem
that
we
have
to
solve
right.
You
know.
C
Indeed-
and
I
don't
know
an
answer
for
that-
but
I
guess
maybe
centralizing
some
things
like
at
least
for
I
mean
we
are
spending
a
lot
of
effort
now
on
eco
router
right
and
we
we
brag
about
how
that
is
like
a
differentiator,
but
if
we
and
we
have
launched
in
polygon
where
it
is
eco
router
only,
but
does
it
justify
the
spend
that
we
are
now
working
on
where
we
spend
like
about
four
weeks
of
four
person
weeks
for
adding
one
network,
does
it
make
sense
to
keep
adding
these?
C
If
you
don't
have
any
data,
I
don't
have
a
very
good
answer,
but
yeah,
I
think,
it'll
be
good
too.
A
A
Thinking
we're
doing
the
eco
router,
but
there
are
those
meta
bridges
that
they
will
soon
that
there
are
some
that
do
the
bridge
and
swap
or
swap
and
bridge.
But
it
will
at
one
point
be
the
the
norm.
It
will
be
the
default
wherever
you
go
to
those
bridges,
they'll
be
doing
swap
and
bridge
and
bridge
and
swap,
and
so
it
is
that's
pretty
much
the
the
death
of
the
eco
router
right.
So.
E
Yeah
we
we
don't
know
yet,
if,
if
people
are
okay
with
like
doing
cross
chain
swaps,
right
like
when,
with
all
these
hacks
with
bridges
and
like
people
generally,
are
right
now,
leaning
towards
like
keep
my
money
on
aetherium
right
like
they
don't
even
want
to
go
to
other
chains.
But
if,
if
people
are
okay
with
their
chains,
we
don't
know
if
you
want
to
like,
swap
your
one
token
and
have
it
delivered
on
another
chain.
E
They
have
a
bias
for
gnosis
chain,
which
is
another
problem
in
general
right,
even
though
they're
separate
companies
cal
protocol
has
this
underlying
bias
to
pull
capital
to
gnosis
chain
right,
but
the
bridging
yeah.
So
even
if
echo
routing
wasn't
used
on
polygon
like
bridging,
so
having
swap
around
different
chains
for
the
bridging
aspect
is
also
interesting.
In
addition
to
the
echo
routing,
because
that
is
bridging
is
cross
chain,
we're
using
third
parties
for
the
actual
technology
of
the
bridging
right
like
socket,
do
we
know
is,
is
is
it
like?
E
E
Yeah,
we
don't
know
at
all
if
anyone
is
using
the
bridging
at
all
using
socket,
so
that
is
yeah.
That
is
a
major
lack
of
information,
just
like
our
echo
router,
which
is
very
very
hard
to
deal
with.
I
don't
know
the
answer
so,
but
that's
another
question
that
we
need
to
at
least
talk
about,
and
that
comes
values
yeah.
We
have
a
couple
people
we
could
survey.
People
right,
like
that's.
We've
said
that
in
the
past
we
can
go
survey,
everyone
in
the
community
or
something
to
see
if
they're,
using
it.
C
B
Well,
yeah,
and
just
as
a
more
positive
thing
like
I
don't
know,
I
consider
myself
a
d5
power
user.
I've
been
yeah
using
for
a
couple
years
and,
like
I
use
swapper
for
a
lot
of
things
or
I
couldn't
use
it
really.
As
probably
the
thing
I
go
to
the
most,
because
I
can
do
any
trade,
I
want
there
and
I
can
do
any
bridge.
B
I
want
there,
and
so
just
in
all
of
this,
like,
I
think
the
user
experience
is,
is
a
good
one.
E
I
I
I
started
using
it
more
because
of
the
lack
of
tracking.
However,
there
is
a
still
without
unis
a
main
net
without
unit
swap
v3.
E
A
On
maintenance,
we
now
have
the
uni
order,
router
included
in
the
eco
router,
so
right
now
in
inside
swapper
on
mainnet,
you
can
place
trades
that
can
be
split
between
uni
v2
and
v3
pools.
C
A
We
do
have
it,
it's
actually
even
aggregation.
It's
not
it's
not
the
usual
eco
router.
We
got
because
we're
actually
using
this
the
uniswap
autorouter
it
does
aggregation,
but
only
between
univ2
and
v3
pools,
not
like
the
the
type
of
aggregation
across
different
exchanges
that
one
inch
does,
but
still
does
aggregation
cool.
A
What
I
feel
like
we've
been
chatting
about
it
in
key
base,
whether
we
should
first
try
and
market
the
product
to
get
to
a
certain
user
base
and
then
turn
on
fees,
but
I
I
have
been
using
different
protocols
or
bridges
and
I've
never
fretted
about
the
fee.
I
I've
taken
it
for
granted
like
taking
it
as
a
it's
just
something
you
gotta
put
up
with.
I
just
think
I
think
if
we.
A
Safety
and
if
we
are
having
a
great
ui,
I
think
we
can
charge
and
if,
if
I'm,
okay
doing
it
on
bridges
in
other
exchanges,
why
not
in
swapper,
like
I
don't
know,
I
cannot
imagine
seeing
that
swapper
will
charge
me
say:
50
cents
or
even
five
dollars
depending
on
the
trade
and
me
saying:
oh,
no,
I'm
not
gonna.
Do
it
I'll
go
somewhere
else,
but
that
other
place
it
will
still
charge
me.
E
Yeah,
I
mean
that's
the
reason
I
proposed
looking
thinking
more
about
like
seeing
what
tally
and
metamath
swaps
do,
and
I
know
those
are
considered
wallets
but
like
if
there's
a
way
to
make
something
that
feels
more
like
a
wallet
and
people
are
okay,
paying
a
large
notional
fee,
because
there
are
those
things.
Are
printing
metamask,
swap
prints,
money
and
like
why?
Why
why?
Why
do
people
swap
through
that
and
like
you're,
saying
nathan,
like
maybe
it's
not
as
any
basis
points
but
like
some
additional
fee?
E
Just
think
swapper,
oh
just
another
amm,
it's
your
home
for
defy
and
then
swap
is
one
of
the
functions
swapper
is
in
there
and
then
yeah,
it's
dx5
and
swapper's
in
there
when
you
use
swapper,
just
because
you're
used
to
using
that
for
your
portfolio
and
all
that
stuff
that
you
also
just
pay
a
little
extra.
When
you
swap
like.
A
Yeah
and
like
curve
had
a
dns
attack
and
we
were
responding
on
twitter,
saying:
oh
you,
you
could
trade
on
curve
use
swapper
and
why
not
charge
like
you
circumvent
the
dns
attack
like
you,
you're
not
susceptible
to
to
the
exploits.
You
cannot
be
targeted,
you,
you
cannot
lose
your
funds
and
similar
with
uniswap.
Uniswap
have
trm
labs
and
we
were
responding,
saying
use
swapper,
because
we
we
don't
have
trm
labs
spying
on
you
in
swapper
and
again
that's
a
value
proposition.
F
E
F
F
Yourself,
the
same
way,
you
would
have
to
go,
look
up
the
ipfs
hash,
the
correct
one
and
then
find
a
gateway
and
go
for
a
gateway.
If
you
want
to
run
the
local
curve,
you
are,
you
can
just
do
it
as
well.
F
Just
say
this,
because
I'm
scared
that
if
we
ever
do
get
front,
end
attacked
or
something
and
we've
been
like
touting-
that
I
I
think
like
technically,
it's
simply
not
correct
that
we
are
untouchable
on
the
front
end
like
we
rely
on
link
and
we
rely
on
limo.
There
are
ways
to
access
it
properly,
but
it's
like
a
very
bad
ui
and
I
think
99
of
our
users
do
it
for
either
link
or
limo.
F
You
know-
and
I
think
it's
just
dangerous
if
we
do
in
the
future,
get
attacked
that
way
and
we've
been
touting
or
curve.
You
know
like
it's
just
something
to
keep
in
mind.
B
Yeah,
I
think
the
security
stuff
is
separate
from
the
ownership.
Things
like
I
like
to
emphasize
that
geek
style
owns
its
front
ends
and
like
it's
not
like.
You
know
someone
from
the
community
running
it
itself,
and
I
think
that
is
a
an
okay
point
to
highlight.
But
that
does
not
mean
that
it
is
the
most
secure
and
like
protects
against
any
type
of
like
front-end
attacks.
F
A
A
E
So
in
my
mind,
the
yeah,
like
we've
always
been
saying
this-
is
that
swapper
alone
is
not
exceptional
and
a
standout
and
that
valuable.
But
the
whole
point
is
dx
dow,
with
a
suite
of
d5
products,
and
we
have
this
written
down
many
places
where
they
come.
A
project
comes
to
the
dick's
dial.
They
get
a
grant,
they
build
their
idea,
they
get
an
investment
they
get
incubated.
E
Then
we
help
them
launch
their
token,
using
what
was
mesa
and
then
was
supposed
to
be
aqua
and
then
once
they
have
a
token.
You
need
liquidity
and
that's
where
that's
the
most
important
thing
where
swapper
comes
in
the
way
with
hopper.
We
just
don't
have
a
lot
of
communities
like
hopper
that
have
that
have
a
token
and
need
a
place
for
liquidity
and
have
ties
to
the
dx
dial
suite
of
tools.
E
But
if
we
were
helping
people
launch
tokens,
which
was
the
initial
plan,
then
you
would
feed
that
liquidity
right
away
into
swapper
pools
and
then
you
would
incentivize
it
with
the
with
the
with
the
the
token
and
then
you
would
also
use
carrot
on
top
like
that's.
That
is
where
swapper
is
a
highlight
in
the
ecosystem
of
suite
of
products,
it's
great
to
have
an
amm.
For
that
specific
reason,
but
just
alone
on
its
own,
compare
you
know
you
can
look
at
the
doing
analytics.
E
It's
the
you
know
in
the
top
30
dexes
or
whatever,
but
like
there's
a
bunch
of
dexes
right
and
there's
a
bunch
of
aggregators,
and
so
it's
alone.
It's
it's.
It's
going
to
be
hard
to
be
the
place
that
people
come
to,
even
even
every
other.
Even
every
aggregators,
like
paris
swap,
has
trouble
getting
people
to
come
to
their
aggregator
right.
E
E
But
I
don't
know
if
that's
yeah,
but
that's
why
it's
that's
why
people
have
been
saying
it's
valuable
for
dxdow
to
build
and
use
right.
A
A
A
If
there
are
any
entities,
censoring
transactions
we
could
fork
them
out,
but
like
it's
is
that
how
we
do
this
is,
is
ethereum
really
the
ecosystem?
We
we've
been
thinking,
it
is
with
meth
and
all
that
and
and
we're
saying
we're
doing,
censorship,
resistant
front
ends
and
dabs
and
at
the
end
we
still
rely
on
middlemen
or
machines
in
the
middle
with.
E
Well,
for
something
like
cal
protocol,
which
is
why
it's
super
important
and
it's
great
that
it's
finally
there
if
yeah,
the
other
front
ends
for
cal
protocol,
get
attacked
or
sensored
and
stuff
use
being
able
to
use
the
front
end
for
cal
protocol
through
swapper
or
potentially
its
own
and
is,
is
a
is
a
powerful
thing
to
exist.
E
That's
where,
like
the
powerful
ownership
by
dx
dao
comes
in
whether
it's
like
can't
be
attacked.
That's
another
question
that
we're
raising
here,
but
like
ownership
by
a
decentralized
collective
of
the
front,
end
of
the
only
place
that
the
the
only
place
to
access
that
protocol
through
a
decentralized
ownership
front
end.
That's
a
that
is
a
standout
right.
There.
B
I
think
the
same
thing
when
we
think
about
swapper
and,
like
you
know,
revenue
users
like
crypto,
is
a
bull
market
phenomenon.
Right
like
this
is
that's
when
new
products
will
kind
of
come
out
and
no
one
really
will
know
what
the
new
trends
will
be.
But
you
want
to
have
swapper
positioned
for
whatever
that
increase
activity
will
be
and
when
it
comes,
and
we're
not
really
sure
when
that
will
happen.
But
that's
really
where,
like
all
fees
are
made,
that's
where
all
kind
of
like
tokens
are
kind
of
done
there.
B
So
it's
not
so
much
that
all
of
this
is
something
that
is
within
dx
dow's
grasp
in
something
that
can
all
be
done
right
now
and
then
just
keeping
keeping
in
mind
that
this
is
like
a
huge
societal
world
change
that
is
going
to
take
some
time
and
as
we
say
as
I
like
to
say
crossing
the
river
by
feeling
feeling
the
stones.
So
it's
kind
of
doing
sorry
doing
that,
but
like
on
a
much
larger
scale,.
A
A
Maybe
someone
needs
to
build
some
app
or
infrastructure
where
this
could
be
visualized
and
made
easier
for
people
to
be
a
part
of
like
incentivizing
public
goods,
not
just
what
vitalik's
been
doing
with
optimism
and
and
retroactive
stuff
like
if,
if
we
are
providing
a
service
in
a
way
to
uni-swap
and
uni-swap
users
or
balancer
or
sushi,
and
all
the
others,
by
providing
an
alternative
more,
maybe
not
perfectly
safe,
but
more
decentralized
front-end
access
to
to
the
protocols.
A
Support
our
efforts,
look
what
we're
doing
we're
not
like
competing
with
anyone,
we're
preying
on
anyone,
eating
anyone's
business,
we're
actually
helping
the
entire
ecosystem
and
and
if
we're
routing,
to
10
different
exchanges.
If
all
those
10
different
exchanges
gave
us
a
little
and
and
their
community
gave
us
a
little,
then
that's.
A
C
But
but
they
would
just
do
it
themselves
right,
I
mean
uniform.
Could.
A
E
So
yeah
the
example
is
yeah
cow
protocol
benefits
from
people
sending
more
and
more
traffic
to
it,
so
they're
willing
to
give
rewards
for
that.
That
is
a
revenue
model
for
swapper
like
we
would
need
to
start
sending
them
lots
of
traffic
right.
That's
that
that
is
an
exact
case
of
what
you're
describing
unit
swap
they
don't
pay
for
that
traffic
right
because
they
don't
need
to
first
of
all
they
could,
and
but
I
don't
know
if
it
benefits
their,
it
doesn't
benefit
their
protocol.
If
you
send
them
traffic.
D
A
E
C
I
also
think
so
I
mean
yeah.
This
is
probably
one
way
of
marketing
what
we
are
doing,
but
then
this
is
not
a
sustainable
revenue
model.
Right,
I
mean
yeah.
Let's
say
they
give
like
one
million
dollars
and
we
will
burn
it
in
a
year.
A
D
I
guess
the
question
is
also,
if
there's
a
demand
for
it
right,
if
uniform
would
pay
such
an
amount,
because,
like
maybe
I'm
misunderstanding
as
well,
but
deploying
that
front
end
on
ipfs
and
ens
would
take
like
a
tech
guy
five
minutes.
You
know.
A
B
F
E
E
They
don't
want
to
run
their
front
end
they're,
not
eventually
they
probably
might
not
even
run
their
phone
from
it
but
like
they
want
to
want
to
use
their
protocol
because
the
most
efficient
and
best
one
that's
what
they
say
right
and
they're
going
to
make
units
on
v4
and
that
that's
what
they
want,
but
like
that's
one
inch
and
paraswap
and
xerox
they
already
all
are
built
on
top
of
your
swap.
Swapper
is
built.
Echo
routing
is
on
top
of
uniswap.
E
A
Now
we
have
it
for
single
tokens
taking
and
that's
basically
allowing
anyone
from
any
other
exchange,
seeding
liquidity,
be
it
balancer,
sushi
whatever
to
deposit
an
lp
token
inside
swapper,
in
a
single
sided
staking
campaign
and
create
a
farm
for
users.
On
that
other
exchange,
we
could
be
the
farming
protocol
of.
E
Dexes,
so
vanky
presented
a
really
good
idea
to
if
we
have,
instead
of
just
swapper,
we
have
like
dx5,
which
is
our
home
and
one
of
the
tools
in
there
a
swapper.
The
other
tool
in
there
is
permissionless
farming,
and
so
you
make
permissionless
farming
its
own
product
tool
that
people
like
you
just
described,
can
come
and
use
that
do
yourself,
farming
for
their
lp
tokens
for
any
tokens
they
want.
E
That
is
an
interesting
idea,
actual
real
idea
that
that
the
team
has
proposed
and
it's
a
change
to
the
path
of
what
swapper
is
doing
and
it's
potentially
a
a
revenue,
a
revenue,
a
new
revenue
path,
but
it
takes
some
work
to
split
these
things
up.
I.
A
Think
it
just
needs
a
new
model
like
a
new
page
inside
swapper
like
I
think
what
we're
doing
right
now,
with
expeditions,
isn't
much
less
than
what
it
would
take
to
do.
What
you
just
said,
yeah.
E
But
but
but
this
is
part
of
a
whole
plan
to
make
what
is
cur
this
product,
that
dx
dow
is
the
it's
your
your
home,
your
front
end
to
d5
and
in
there
are
things
like
expeditions,
swapper,
bridging
right
and
also
conditions
farming.
In
that
scenario,
it
it
feels
more
like
it's
not
necessarily
swapper
like
it's.
These
are
different
products.
Basically,
you
have
to
separate
them
as
separate
products,
almost
yeah,
so.
C
C
C
A
Project
possible:
there
are
already
three
different
protocols
doing
that
on
arbetron,
allowing
products
to
create
farms
for
their
tokens
with
liquidity
on
univ3,
and
they
allow
farming
yeah.
C
A
A
We
have
a
product
where
communities
that
have
been
raising
capital
can
can
incentivize
liquidity
mining
for,
for
their
token
pairs
on
any
exchange
in
the
entire
ecosystem,
and
we
could
charge
a
fee
allowing
them
to
permissionlessly,
create
a
farm
with
zero
code
and
and
we
charge
them
say
zero
point,
one
percent
for
the
farm
that
they
will
create.
That
could
be
generating
tens
of
thousands
of
dollars
a
month
and
it
will
cost
us
just
two
or
three
months
in
work
tops.
A
A
A
E
Nathan
you're
describing
the
prioritization,
but
like
the
swapper
team's
already
doing
this
prioritization,
the
and
and
people
from
the
outside
are
saying
well
yeah
you're
not
do
like
people.
Aren't
you
we're
not
doing
the
right
things,
but
like
the
people
from
the
outside,
aren't
helping
determine
the
prioritization
right.
E
This
is
not
new,
john
and
federico
and
zed,
and
everyone's
talking
about
like
oh,
like
the
feud,
and
thank
you
for
the
future
like
are
we
gonna,
need
you
know
a
uniswap
v3
or
a
trident
or
like
a
more
capital,
efficient
version
of
property
like
totally
new
smart
contracts?
Where
does
that
come
in?
Should
we
leave
swapper
where
it
is
today?
Have
everyone
research,
the
next
month
on,
like
the
actual
jews
and
then
literally,
switch
swapper
to
the
new
one
that
we
want
to
choose
like
that's
more
capital
efficient?
A
E
Know
we're
not
doing
enough,
I
guess
research
and
using
and
and
staying
up
with
the
what's
out
there
and
then
being
able
to
yeah
like
apply
those
learnings
and
be
at
the
forefront
because
we're
we're
like
catching
up
on
older
stuff.
I
don't
know.
D
C
I
mean
it
was
pretty
clear
in
the
beginning
of
the
year
that
we
will
try
to
solve
the
ux
fade
of
the
traders,
and
that
has
been
what
we've
been
trying
to
do,
but
now
yeah
we.
If,
if
you've
got
to
change
the
focus
back
to
revenue
yeah,
we
will
probably
have
to
do
some
sort
of
research
and
then
figure
out,
but
for
all
of
these
we
we
need
to
know
the
data.
We
need
to
know.
Okay
right
now.
C
We
know
that
on
an
average,
there
is
like
about
400
wallets,
that
is
making
swaps,
and
that
is
our
only
way
of
determining
daily
active
users
right.
We,
we
don't
know
you
and
usually
people
just
come
in
to
swapper,
and
then
they
might
not
make
a
swap
so
which
I'm
guessing
that
if,
if
that
could
be
like
30
40
percent
above
I'm
guessing
that
we
will
have
about
60
600
people
that
are
like
dius
and
we
need
at
least
to
be
like
10
000
to
20
000
daus,
to
figure
out.
C
C
I
would
say:
yeah,
I
don't
know,
I'm
I'm
questioning
myself
a
lot
for
a
lot
of
decisions
that
I've
taken.
A
And
again,
it's
a
collective
responsibility
that
that's
what
I
meant
in
the
very
beginning
of
the
call
vinky
it
it
should
in
no
way
ever
feel
like
it's
your
responsibility,
it
that
that's
that's!
A
The
worst
thing
happened
that
that's
that's
the
single
most
the
thing
in
the
in
the
proposal
about
the
restructuring
and
refocus
that
we
had
from
geronimo
that
I
didn't
like
it's
like
waiting
all
this
time
and
then
pointing
the
finger
and
saying
you've
been
doing
it
wrong
and
as
if
you
vinky,
have
done
something
wrong
and
where
were
we
all
of
us
during
that
time,
not
telling
you
that
there's
something
wrong
right,
so
we
we're
all
to
blame
every
single
one
of
us.
A
E
A
A
Yeah
I
mean
last
night
I
my
my
hair,
went
straight
hearing
the
person
who
called
me
a
call
you
a
muppet
and
we're
giving
this
guy
10
percent
reputation.
So
it's
like,
we
should
be
careful.
It
he's
basically
blowing
his
reputation
as
a
person
who
could
be
someone.
We
can
trust
with
giving
us
direction
if,
if
that
person
goes
down
that
route
of
calling
us
names
and
acting
indecently
he's
not
fit
for
being
a
part
of
the
community
he's
stirring,
so
we
should
be
careful
who's,
giving
us
directions
and
and
which
way
we're
going.
A
I
I'm
not
happy
seeing
people
like
his
posts.
There
is
a
lot
of
stuff
he's
saying
that
is
good.
It's
good!
It's
a
wake-up
call
for
us.
I
like
a
part
of
the
stuff
that
he's
doing,
but
he's
also
insulting
us
and
that's
completely
unacceptable.
I
don't,
I
don't
want
to
see
people
liking
his
post.
When
he's
calling
us
names,
it's
not
respectful
that
that's
not
how
he's
gonna
gain
our
trust.
A
A
A
If,
if
we
spend
a
month
in
dev,
work
and
overhead
and
money
finances
and
working
on
on
launching
on
polygon
and
we're
just
shrugging
shoulders
and
saying
we
don't
know
why
we
did
it
and
there's
no
way
to
measure
the
effect
it
had,
whether
it's
beneficial
or
not,
it's
not
generating
revenue.
Why
the
did
we
do
it
and
again
it's
not
your
fault
man.
Never,
but
I'm
saying
we
that
that's
that's
something
we
should
change
as
a.
E
A
And
and
we
don't
need
to
kill
out,
kill
each
other
in
the
process.
I
think
we
should
be
like
patient,
but
we
should
stay
on
top
of
it,
and
I
think
I've
been
chatting
with
augusto
he's
very
actually
optimistic
and
hopeful
that
the
hackathon
could
turn
things
around
and
and
the
retreat
could
turn
to
things
around,
and
I
think
we
could
we
could.
A
We
could
come
out
stronger
and
better
than
before
from
all
of
this
and
yeah
that
the
house
is
not
on
fire.