DXdao DXgov Weekly Gathering, 22 Mar 2023

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00:03 Welcome and Agenda
00:41 Mainnet Roundup
08:38 Gnosis Chain Roundup
09:42 DXdao Contributor REP Claim Guide 2023
21:32 Quarterly Guild Updates and Q2 Funding proposal
23:18 ARB token incentives - quick health check
36:49 Also worth checking out.

See the meeting posts here:
https://daotalk.org/t/governance-discussion-march-22-2023/5048

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Deep style, governance, discussion for Wednesday, March 22nd and Happy Spring. Let's look at the agenda first, as always, we'll start with the proposal.

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We have the main ones that are live and then one on gnosis and then we have a couple different uh discussion items here to quickly go over. The rep claim guide, quarterly Guild updates and maybe a little uh highlight on some of the our token incentives around swapper and see the discussion there. So, let's start with the proposal.

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Roundup going over.

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Mainnet um I think 11 proposals, boosted or pending boosting uh here, and so we can see the different ones. Here. We have Medusa avested DxD claim from June 21st to February 22nd. um There you can see. This is the first DHT.

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From Medusa who's coming up on his two-year anniversary there, Kenny Fork voted for this one um and then next up we have a deep style, related names reimbursement.

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um This has not been voted on, but I would encourage people to vote and I will look at it. um If.

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No one else does, but.

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One of the reasons I like this proposal is it was one of these that can be.

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Like all on chain, so basically the.

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Of this account is asking for reimbursement for a bunch of transactions, they've done on behalf of uh DX Dao, um and so these are I. Guess the gift- or this is a gift transaction here.

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um Actually this first one might be the wrong address, because this is May 26th, um but yeah you see this one right here is a transfer uh here to DXL there, and then you can actually see go back and see how much the actual um registration I think what was of this contract.

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I'm trying to actually understand a little bit about where the gas caught the gas cost I think is for the registration and the purchase of these.

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Not exactly renew all. Here we go yeah all right, so.

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Go this is yeah the address that renewed all.

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Can see 0.122 here for that, along with the other uh numbers in there and then here's another one, that's a big renew, dx5 um yeah, that's one that cost a big chunk there, but.

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Four letter, um four-letter ens once so I, will have to look a little bit closer at these because they do I guess some of these are older registration, because this one looks like it was registered in June 2020 for 0.68 and then is now being transferred. Now.

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Okay, so that's.

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A proposal there to have a close look at that one, um and then we have another maintenance repsync for Boris block. This is the second one for Boris block here. I think it does uh six months yeah or a little more in that since May.

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uh There, and so these are ones that have all been approved on gnosis chain and he's syncing it over to mainnet. Here, then, there was also a Wayne repsync noses chain uh to mainnet. This is Wayne's second one, and these have actually. This includes October and November, and this is also the first one that includes the January and February rep amounts which which uh Wayne is already claimed on gnosis chains. um We will get to the process of of how to do this, for others in a second going going forward.

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But this is yeah one from from Wayne Uh for another rep Sync here I think it is what point nine point: eight two percent rep I think that was the last of the rep yeah. That's the last, the rep ones and.

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Have two swapper Guild H1 2023 event stipends, um so these I'm also looking for some votes here. um So this is based on the uh uh the events, type and budget that was put forth by melanin, contributor um X, and it gives percentages for each of the.

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To be able to claim that and I believe it is, it's actually says the swapper multi-sign, but I'm pretty sure this is the multi-chain multi-sig here and then the multi and then the same thing for carrot here: um yeah based upon the percentage time working for the guild and the overall uh contributor events typing there, and you can see here- it's 6, 000, usdc and the other one is seven thousand there. So looking those are some good votes uh there, uh then we have a level K vested DC claim.

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This is the second Vesta DHT claim um from John. He had had a poster in the Forum a few days ago, uh the updated numbers uh there.

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And then the last boosted proposal- or this is on the the funding and voting power. The last boosted proposal is the operations Guild H1, 2023, onboarding and funding treasury manager. um This is posted in the Forum last week. We discussed it on the call um last week and then there was some discussion in the Forum and then Melanie posted on Monday night and started and we uh started the boosting period Then and it just started that last.

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And we can see, we've got two votes on it here, um so yeah not.

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Much more I think to say about this.

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Has been a pretty hot topic, the last month or two and I'm, hoping that this proposal will go through and be able to set a new foundation for a lot of the work we can do on the treasury side of things. So I wasn't sure if anyone any thoughts or comments on this.

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Or any of the other live proposals we just went through.

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Because we don't have.

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Maddie on the oh.

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Do have many on the call, nothing when you say anything but um awesome, so this will be up for another six days um and we'll get an update there. So that's the funding and voting power scheme and then on the multi-call scheme. There are three different uh proposals boosted here there is a cal swap wet dxt order at 0.4685. That is going to pass in three days and two hours. uh Just a reminder. You need to place a.

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Order to be able to access these, you can do that on Cal swap or swapper. um Both have Cal swap limit orders. You can do that there, so this is a wet dxt1, and then uh this is a LUSD dxd1, um which you can see is placed at 751, which is a little bit below the market. Price um same thing happened kind of a month and a half ago, when um I was hoping to do some more stablecoin trades to kind of even out some of the the eat trades that we're doing for this.

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But every time I've submitted the stablecoin trades eth has skyrocketed uh right after, um and so you can see that this uh might not be that appealing to buy into just because the price of dxt has changed, because the price of each has moved so much. But anyway, this will be live in in seven days, uh almost eight days there, and then there was another weth order submitted uh two days ago here you can see 0.5460194 West to DxD.

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um That is a little bit lower than the previous one, because the way that uh you could think about the price of dxt and the price of eth works is actually like an inverse relationship. So when eth goes up that drives up the value of the treasury overall and DxD is valuable, more valuable from a dollar standpoint. But from like an e price perspective, it actually goes down uh a little bit because the dollars become uh because dxt has some dollars components of it.

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um So that's why you can see here that this 0.54 is actually a little bit less than the one that was submitted two weeks ago when eth was a little bit higher.

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So those are the three um Buy-Back orders there um yeah any questions comments on on those.

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Awesome moving to gnosis chain, um there's, actually only one live proposal. Excuse me one there's, one that is able to be executed and one that is live. These are both from Federico.

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They're, both late contributor proposals for work already done in the fall, so it we're.

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Still, clearing.

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Through some of these proposals,.

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This one I think is for um September and no it's October and November here. um So this.

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One has already.

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Passed as I said here, if you can see all the proof of work done and then the specific amount of time that Lucy Foss worked, and this one here will boost in a couple hours here, um there's lots of great things on carrot. It's a good time. Maybe just give a shout out for Cara. There's lots of fun things that I see in terms of the the MVP and following on the development channel is, is exciting and looking for exciting uh things there, um but.

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Yeah, that's the.

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Only ones on nurses chain right now.

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Okay, um that's it for the proposal Roundup. Moving on to a couple discussion items here. um The first one is deep stack, contributor, rep, claim, guide, 2023.

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Do not believe that Ali is on the call, um but this is something you know: Melanie yeah, let's chat about this yeah.

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Yeah I'm happy to talk um quickly through it, so this is the Duke style, contributor, um rep claim guide for 2023, um so this basically outlines how to claim your DX style rep. Now that we have transitioned completely to Guild, because even though we have transitioned to guilds each, the extract contributor is still, of course, eligible to earn rep each month directly from DX style.

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um But basically this is just a temporary process of how to claim your geek style rep until we are actually able to execute um batch proposals so um and the process is uh basically each Dukes out contributors responsible for claiming the rep um there. They should, you know, request it in their individual Guild contributor payment proposal um than the contributex will publish the individual rep rewards every month on Dow talk.

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um The contributors can then claim um their rep in either three or six month. Proposals on mainnet after posting, the rep issuance on Dow talk. um So this is uh important to note because currently um you know this is like a reverse process- we're going to be claiming our rep on mainnet first and then um syncing it to noses chain. Once it's um been claimed so important to note that it's not claiming at first on gnosis chain and then syncing it to magnets, it is reversed um and then yeah.

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If you do have any questions about how to do this, you can reach out to myself or ali um I'll, be posting a proposal on how to do this process. First, just to give everybody kind of an example of of what to do and how to claim claim their rep yeah.

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And the big difference in how this has worked before is that individual contributors will not be doing the rep amount calculation themselves. So right here we say uh the proposal to claim their dxt rep or sorry. The percentage of rep of earn is affected by the contributor's time commitment. That's the only thing contributors need to put in there and contributor X will have a single rep number for that month. That will be used to determine that specific rep amount for that contributor.

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So this is the same thing that we do for DxD right, where people to put in I'm earning x amount of in dollars of DxD a month, but then, when we translate that actually into the amount of DxD issued, um we use this same 30-day average for that month for all contributors, and so that's what this sheet is here right you can see here.

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These are the amounts that the contributors are working in terms of uh what they should get, and then this was the overall rep amount in January, um and this is the overall rep amount in February, and this is overall not in March, so to get your own numbers for this you'll. Just simply like multiply this by that, and then add it up together for those uh and then just to just to uh reiterate what um Melanie said about the starting with mainnet.

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First, um it should be less of an issue because we will have a definitive number that should be claimed on any chain right. We will have like a source of Truth, for that I mean, of course, the source of Truth is just like a Google Sheets here. It is always cleaner, always cleaner to ensure that you have the mainnet rep sync and then be able to claim that other sync on other chains.

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So this is actually the backwards um process that Wayne just did here where he first claimed his Moses chain rep and then claimed his main net rep, because now with guilds, you can get that initial approval or tacit approval from your guild. In your guild worker proposal and that's what you're, using to reference when you go and use your your repsync there um so I think in general, the key thing is being able to have a single number for the month, so that we can always determine what that rep award issues is but Wayne.

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You inspired us to make sure and actually put out a process and think about this. um So without Wayne we wouldn't have. We wouldn't have been here.

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How would this work.

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For the four percent max limit.

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So that should.

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Still um yeah I mean that's a good question in terms of that, so basically, you still should not be able to claim more than four percent right um and so I think that should only matter when you're going to make your claim, like so I, think for.

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um Caney Fork I think is like 3.77, but is not earned the rep from January February and March. So that would be um like this amount um times this. So that would probably put me, probably put candy Fork a little bit above the four percent, but I think the way that we would just go about it is. You would just only could claim that amount in the per main net proposal.

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I'm, not sure if you need to do anything different in the Guild proposal.

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Itself, we should just be vigilant.

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On on accounts, not requesting more than four percent.

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That make sense, or do you.

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Think there's we should incorporate something else here.

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um Yeah I'm just trying to think if there's a better way, that's it um yeah, because if you have to keep an eye on things, it's it's harder to do that when we are doing for like 25 30 people, then if it is like a single proposal, then it's easier to see how much rep he's claiming how much rep this account has and everything. But then, if it is going to be on like 30 different people, there's like a lot of things that we might miss so yeah yeah.

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The short term, when we're talking about here you know this is where like when we look at the key like governance. Okay, we're checking this we're. This is where we want to enforce things right. It's always going to be when you actually have a rep issuance and.

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At these right here for Boris block and for.

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I think the key thing would be: is there any proposal here that these two numbers are going to add up to more than four percent and I think any of those should be voted down and I? Think that's probably the best place for that check, rather than worrying about incorporating it here, but I think everyone who's submitting their website should obviously yeah be aware of that.

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So it's two individual people will request a rep.

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Yeah, so, okay, so this.

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That they laid out um this is what we need now for individual rep Awards, because we're still in that world until we get the 1.5 contracts updated um and once we do that, then we can do batch, rep Awards, and so that's one of the reasons why we also want to ship shift towards this system, because this system will be a good way to do that quarterly, rep issuance when it is to 20 different addresses, because we will have a we will have all those rep Awards documentary contributor, X.

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Everyone can um Can validate that those are the right Awards and then we'll have like a big on-chain proposal that will have all of those laid out and it'll be a single proposal, and that should make it easier for people. And so that's why we want to have this system uh now. But we still can't do that now, because we, the only way we can get rep to a is through a single um uh proposal.

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We have to do that. um Still this way, um yeah the.

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Think also about that is, since we are going to be launching 1.5 first on gnosis chain, we should actually be able to remove, and maybe this is Ross the geek Scouts. You might get I'm mad at me for saying this, but I think we may be able to have remove the need to do gnosis chain rep syncs in the next couple months, because we can automatically do a rep sync from mainnet to nurses chain using the 1.5 contracts every couple of months.

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um So I think that will be hopefully in the in the in Q2 and then maybe in the second half of the Year, we're using mainnet uh governance 1.5 contracts to do these multiple rep issuances, every quarter. I think.

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Yes, every scheme has a maximum amount of percentage of reputation that they can change, for example like five or ten percent. That is a security um Security check right because right now, if you can, you can mean like 100.

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If you, you can create a proposal to meet 100 reputation and they covered it all by meeting a lot of right.

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Right now, in what.

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We are what we are using Dao 1.5. We allow you to create multiple proportions with multiple calls and multiple means all right, so you will be able to sync up to a certain percentage. So as long as it's below that yeah I think we will be all right to create one.

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Singing rep per month, and that should be enough.

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Yeah I think the key thing is we'll be able to have a different process with 1.5 contracts, um but we need a bridge to get this there and I think this is uh this helps.

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The key thing is also because we haven't really clarified what the rep issuance was for the Deep South rep instruments was for contributors now that we've shifted two guilds, but I think this clearly establishes like the continuation of the 0.1667 for a full-time contributor that has become you know a standard of geek style compensation for the last couple years that we want to continue that um and yeah, because we have to figure.

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To track it in a way that we can validate when there are these uh Awards and I think having a contributor spreadsheet of this to double check, is it good is the best way.

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And, like I, think um on the guilds now, for instance, we actually reminds me we need to check this out on the operations Guild. You can do like your monthly um rep issuance of your of your guild rep um through a single proposal like pretty automatically and I. Think all I know dxgov has done that, but I think we should encourage the other guilds to do that as well.

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Okay, um moving on to the next item, just uh repeat of uh announcement last week, talking about having quarterly Guild updates in the Q2 funding proposal, so I've seen a couple different drafts of these already um in terms of just giving an update on on different things you can see here. This is the rough template that we want to be able to have to be able to post in the Forum.

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So one a progress report on the guilds goals, milestones and responsibilities laid out in the approved uh 1H 2023 budgets um to unexpected items that came up during q1 were not planned for so you know this was what everything that the guild was planning to do. What's the progress report on those and then two is well, what didn't come up and what were those things? Could they have been foreseen? But how did that affect um Go performance? And then the third thing is a rundown of the contigua items that were approved.

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Q1, along with incurred regular expenses, so just like a brief uh kind of overview of that. Maybe a link to the uh proposals.

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The on-chain funding proposals for CT, Scout and swapper there um as well and I can I can help out with that one as well um so yeah I as I said, I looked at a couple of these and working on the operations Guild one now I'm getting it uh I'm gonna send it around to the the rest of the guild members uh today and then I will hopefully have it posted me by the end of the week and should be a template for others there that uh for their quarterly reports, um yeah and I.

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Think as I said,.

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Goal is to have these by uh April 15th, which is um three and a half weeks from today.

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um And then uh last item only because it could have been in the also worth checking out topic, but I thought it was fun enough that I wanted to draw some attention to it. Here is yeah, there's been an R token uh or the ARP token has dropped or is going to drop tomorrow and a key um part of that as it relates to DX Dao.

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Is there is a uh airdrop to Dows or projects that have been active on arbitrum and swapper was the first airdrop token airdropped on Arboretum back in September 2021, so I hope all of you that participate in the Excel governance on Arboretum or just or kind of interact with swapper have checked your eligibility on your wallets and hopefully you're getting some R token airdrop from there, and it's good that I think lots of people in indeed.

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South Community.

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Lots of people in the swap work Community have been involved in arbitrary and are also getting the airdrop. So it's a nice um thing to a nice tie to lift all boats, but on top of that there is a dow specific airdrop, 2, swapper, I, think for 500k uh arm tokens and so vinky I think had started a little bit of conversation in the Forum about what to do about the launch of ARB. What does that mean for trying to attract liquidity.

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Swapper our liquidity itself using swapper token, uh and then what about the plans to use the arm token itself? um What are the plans for that? So I think uh still lots of things up in the air right now, but I think uh something to discuss. Binky I, don't know if you want to chat.

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About anything.

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Specifically or um yeah.

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I mean I have a suggestion that I mean the link. I have click given. Here has like a small detail about it, um so, basically going two-thirds for arbit and wet usdc, um so yeah I had to change the price of swapper. A little bit. I had point zero three until yesterday, um so I was thinking that maybe we should.

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We could do something like this or width where we give away some swapper, 2000, swapper, 100, arbitrim and point to wet, uh and it comes to around 600 USD right now and uh with usdc is basically like 500 swapper 50r, 0.1 width.

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uh We could start with like a two-week campaign and then see how well we are doing this and then extend it to the next uh four weeks or eight weeks.

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One question about fees, yeah or just maybe is there anything to do with fees in.

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The incentives so I mean always we were talking before about how, when a token drops, there's so much activity yeah going on, and so maybe there's an opportunity to jack up.

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Yeah I yeah I think we could start with. uh We could start with 0.25 um and then and then uh yeah and then decide upon the volume that we are getting. Then we can increase the fees, uh increasing fees, I think it's the uh it's the concurrence, that's a problem! If you can all agree on a fees, I think changing the fees is a little bit simpler.

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um I just need to tell Federico if and make him available.

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um Apart from that, it's I I, probably like point to five percent, might bring a lot of volume because it's the aggregators that will drive a lot of volume, I, I, believe and then yeah.

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Thank you. This is uh that's 600 and 260..

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Yeah is what that's the USD amount. Sorry, uh that's the USD amount so basically like 2000 swapper at point: zero, eight USD, a hundred orbitrum at around one dollar point to width at around 1700 that comes to around 600.

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900 dollars per week in rewards yeah, first two weeks to get ten percent market share of arbitrum tax trading for ARB token yeah yeah.

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uh Made that much those dollar amounts are not big enough to get ten percent of the market.

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Per our token right, um I mean the Timbers, like the ARB token, might have billions of dollars of trading and there's going to be some.

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Texas with major I mean we don't know what what how how systems are rewarded but um I mean six hundred dollars is, is effectively zero right. 600 is nothing I mean for two weeks. Oh.

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One week six hundred dollars a week, I think it's too low.

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um Like like, what's it what's the biggest decks I mean I would imagine, other rewards are going to be millions of dollars right per week. Yeah.

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I'm not too sure um who.

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um Yeah, like it's like sushi, got I think yeah.

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But I'm not sure if they would.

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Sushi or uni or any of these big, dexes or Arboretum I, don't think they I think they have a big enough community that will just provide liquidity, but for us I think we have to incentivize a little bit to get the liquidity um and maybe 600 is not enough. Maybe we could increase it, but what what would you suggest.

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What what would you suggest the numbers should be.

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um I, don't know but I I just know people don't do stuff for six hundred dollars split between everyone, I I yeah. My view is, we should like, if we're gonna do a campaign and we want to spend real money as a marketing campaign.

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We could use like wealth and usdc and and DxD, but like I I, don't actually think we should.

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We should use ARB as liquidity mining token unless we get our tokens specifically for that use and really, if we're gonna do that, we should ask for it and we should um but to capture this early brand new, like brand token like if we want to make a big push on arbitrum to like do a marketing spin to like get attention and get a bunch of liquidity to swapper. We need, like you, know, fifty thousand twenty thousand dollars of of DxD as incentives or something.

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The attention yeah.

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I was I was okay. The way that I was thinking about these numbers are like, if you do thousand dollars a week and then, if we do this for three months, that's like fifteen thousand dollars right. It is. It is a lot, at least for for the size of the Dow that we are and for the I mean we cannot just go in and then bet everything that we have on it and not see any results, and we would want to.

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This is just trying to test the waters, and then, if we see that the apis get lower than five percent, then we know that there is a lot of dvl. There is a lot of staking and then we increase the rewards, but we have no clue how this is going to go up or down. So.

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So, um what's the size of the pool for apy of five percent, roughly I'm for a week like? Is it like sixty thousand dollars in tvl or something I, don't know, yeah I mean am I all up for testing something and then, if we, if it's doing something, but it you have to think of this as a marketing expense like this, isn't this isn't likely going to make back protocol this isn't going to make back protocol fees of the spend.

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This is like a marketing expense to attract attention to swapper during the ARB token launch right.

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I mean this will bring a lot of protocol. If you have deep liquidity, this is going to be I mean we will see like how we saw cow launch right.

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Yeah but the the didn't we had much bigger rewards of on those polls right.

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Well, there was rewards from Cal, too yeah yeah yeah, and we were like the exclusive one on gnosis chain. I think yeah yeah. There.

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Of trading activity in those like first couple days and I, think if you can capture that, then it's very much worth it and that's why I was saying I think it makes sense to turn the fees up, because you know the price is moving around so much that it doesn't.

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um I think that the fees are are less of a concern to people, um but I just think it's going to be tough to capture what it's probably going to be like a yeah I mean it'll, be probably like 100 million 100 million dollars traded in the first day or two more than that probably, and that will probably need that's some very, very big liquidity. And so the question is: can we get any of that to come to swapper in those first couple days?

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But anyway, I didn't I was more thought. It was interesting to talk about ARB and I. Think there's some discussion on it in the in the uh forum here.

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um So maybe we can open that up for a little bit, yeah a little more and then also like we haven't we're still working on getting this exact Dow airdrop from from swapper by the way, I think it's a very cool thing. Arboretum is doing and I think it's a great way to like get tokens not just in the people trying to yield to try to farm the airdrop, but um the communities themselves.

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That have been.

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There and, like you know, digs down swappers been there from the beginning before the beginning right, it's been two years since we've been talking with the Arboretum group, so I think it's it's a nice reward for that. But then the.

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Question of what to do with those rewards: do we use in to help govern arbitrum? You know some of what we did with ens.

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Is it something we use to help fund swapper right um to pay for swapper um is that we use it for liquidity mining as I'm talking about here, um or do we use it, maybe even as like some type of airdrop or something to swap for token holders as they like pass through there, so I think there's a lot of different uh options with that that we can start to think about um in the coming days.

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I mean I just have a response for uh Ross asking uh about I mean swap around 40K I mean we should be able to pull out a protocol fees converting the lp tokens that are as fees um to to the native token else. We will just keep losing because we just suffer from uh impermanent loss. I mean just the first two days of cow. We earned about 6000 in protocol fees, but then it was just there as uh in the cow with pair or the cow tripad, and then we lost all of it.

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Now the the lp tokens are nothing so yeah it that that's the reason so you're not just calculate that it is 40k whether it is 40k is suffering from the impermanent loss. If we don't take protocol fee at the right time,.

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Cool all right that was it for the discussion items just a couple different things also worth checking out should be pulled. It stackly, effortless, DCA, just a very clean post here from venki, hear about a very cool tool that I have used that I'm excited to see uh potentially more it's doing, dollar cost averaging there um and then just a reminder. Next week um on Monday there is a priorities, board monthly check-in and then at 79 UTC and then on Thursday.

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There is a DHT monetary policy committee morning, 14 and UTC an hour before the community call, and then I don't know if this was able to be shared in the Forum, but I thought it was.

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I thought they.

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Were it was a fun thing to check out? Was this gov 1.5 and 2.0 explainer? That Wayne is put together? That was based on the presentation that Augusto, Milton and Federico put together. I guess it was a week or two ago on the dev call lots of cool things in there about the actual technical.

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Development but.

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Also, like some questions about things going forward so worth.

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Read if you're, interested or um and then also worth maybe some comments uh there, some good comments from from nylon already.

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Cool and that was it yeah- there was a lot of input from Augusto, Federico and Milton yeah I think that was um it's very cool and I think we should be talking a lot more about this I'm. Also thinking like the you know, the transition to 1.5 and 2.0. This is going to be like something that we can use for Content over the coming months and I. Think it's an important thing to educate everyone on on on the.

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How things are changing and upgrading and whatnot.

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Awesome um thanks. Everyone for joining um I think we can end it here. Hope everyone has a happy rest of the spring in the rest of the week. So thanks awesome thanks. Everyone.

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