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B
A
B
Be
careful
everybody's
been
warned
so
yeah
we're
recording
now,
so
we
usually
start
with
product
updates
and
I
usually
start
with
omic
and
geronimo.
If
you'd
like
to
give
us
the
update
there.
D
Second,
so
we
are
sadly
one
day
delayed
for
the
new
release,
primarily
because
when
you
do
restyling
of
components
you
can't
you
can't
just
like
not
do
like
restyle
the
rest
of
the
component,
so
you
actually
need
to
restart
everything
to
have
a
consistent
ui
and
that's
why
we
are
a
little
bit
delayed
with
that
which
will
hopefully
be
released
today.
D
So
I'm
on
version
1.1.9,
it's
they're
like
way
too
much
changes,
so
I
can't
like
go
through
through
them
all,
but
we
fixed
a
few
like
issues
which
have
been
around
for
a
while,
but
now
we
actually
like
looked
into
it.
It
was
primarily
fixed
for
by
hacksaw
a
new
developer
join
joining.
Hopefully
he
has
a
proposal
active
and
can
be
voted
on
and
yeah.
We
have
a
new
redesign
for
the
whole
import
market
flow.
D
D
Yeah,
so
that's
actually
like
a
major
release.
There
might
be
some
some
still
some
small
polishments
to
me
make,
but
I
feel
pretty
good
about
calling
the
upcoming
release
like
a
base
like
an
acceptable
release,
which
we
call
actually
like
a
production
ready
release.
So
it's
not
it's
on
the
alpha.
It's
not
beta
and
going
forward
we're
going
to
build
on
top
of
that
product
and
including,
like
more
features
like
actually
leveraging.
The
gnosis
safe
proxy
kit,
which
means
native
ether,
supports
dx,
swap
integration,
gelato
integration.
D
Stuff
like
that
and
right
in
terms
of
scalar
markets,
we
are
progressing
really
well
with
that.
The
creation
is
kind
of
already
in
alpha,
so
we
we,
the
front
end,
has
been
implemented
and
we're
testing
the
creation
of
scalar
markets
on
omen
and
xda
designs
are
ready.
So
we
have.
We
have
a
lot
to
do
for
the
next
version.
B
That's
awesome,
I
don't
think
this
is
a
dx
dow
effort,
but
something
I've
been
waiting
for.
Is
the
conditional
token
explorer?
Do
you
know
where
good
question.
B
Awesome,
that's
cool
so
for
people
who
aren't
aware
omen
uses
the
con
conditional
token
framework,
it
uses
1155,
erc
1155s,
which
most
wallets
don't
even
really
display
or
support
right.
So
this
is
going
to
be
a
ui
that
will
allow
you
to
see
your
balances
and
stuff
and
also
wrap
them
in
erc20s.
Is
that
right?
D
D
B
E
Yeah
I
mean
that
kind
of
stopped.
I
mean
I
didn't
really
go
move
along
with
that,
so
I
can't
tell
you
anything.
A
Right
now,
the
the
other
alternative
which
someone
raised
in
key
base
is
to
build
a
direct
scheme
from
dx
dao
to
omen,
which
would
be
the
safest
and
best
way
to
accomplish
what
we
want
to
accomplish,
and
it
would
take
that
extra
custom
work.
But
apparently,
if
you
do
that,
you
don't
have
to
deal
with
the
with
like
the
proxy
wallet
or
whatever
that
is
causing
the
problem,
which
that
would
be
really
cool.
If
omen,
if,
if
dx
dow
could
just
do
it
directly,
we
don't
need
some
separate
mechanism.
D
A
Geronimo
with
that
scheme,
could
you
just
speed
up?
Can
you
can
you
do
a
faster
proposal,
so
it
works
more
like
a
multi-stick.
B
A
Yeah,
so
I
guess
it's
just
that
you
would
want
to
sub
dial.
So
if
you
had
a
sub
dial
with
its
own
parameters-
and
you
just
feed
it
a
little
bit
of
money
and
use
that
sub
now
as
a
multi-sig
impli
that
could
act
quickly,
that's
always
better
than
a
multi-sig.
It's
it
seems
more.
We
don't.
We
don't
have
a
good
example
of
a
sub-dial
on
main
networking,
though.
D
Yeah
and
that's
actually
quite
interesting
like
that,
could
be
a
start
of
of
the
omen
down
right.
People
who
interact
with
the
system
and
it
can
actually
grow
and,
like
the
more
people,
think
about
innovative
creative
markets,
the
better
for
us,
and
there
are
a
lot
of
people
who
are
lurking
around
on
telegram
who
could
think
about
nice
and
like
nice
markets.
So
we
should
invite
the
community
to
participate
in
that
process
and
yeah.
We
need
to
evaluate,
like
which
kind
of
dow
system
we
need
to
use
there.
D
A
Yeah
we're
we're
we're
asking
a
few
people
who
have
some
expertise
with
it,
but
I
I
do
believe
that
is
going
to
be
a
lot
more
expensive
to
use
it
through
aragon,
if
assuming
it
does
work.
So
it's
probably
not
like
a
long-term
best
answer,
but
a
an
omen,
sub
dow
would
be
pretty
cool
like
longer
term,
which
we've
talked
about
in
the
past
yeah.
B
A
B
B
D
So
the
the
there's
actually
like
another
argument
for
having
this
omen
down,
primarily
because,
like
depending
on
the
size
of
of
the
omen
down
starting,
we
can
move
quick
and
we
can
test
the
generic
scheme
to
omen.
So
we
can
like
install
it
and
then
interact
with
that
system
and
then
like
allow
it
to
grow
with
people
who
care
about
omen
and
then
maybe
reduce
the
or
increase
the
time.
D
F
D
Used
it
with
roman,
we
use
the
multisig,
the
gnosis,
safe
multi-stick,
and
we
use
wallet,
connect
to
go
to
omen
and
then
interact
with
the
product
and
that
doesn't
work
like
yeah.
We
could
craft
a
nice
transaction
like
and
then
shoot
it
out,
but
at
the
end
of
the
day,
people
need
to
like
you
need
to
be
a
hardcore
developer,
to
understand
what
what's
going
on.
A
D
No,
no,
like
there's
also
a
way
to
actually
create
a
transaction
from
the
multisig
who's,
creating
a
question
and
a
market
itself
and
like
yeah.
So
you,
inter
you,
actually
don't
use
this
proxy
kit
anymore,
because
the
proxy
kit
is
primarily
for
humans
who
are
using
omen,
but
we
could
create
an
action,
but
that's
only
for
hardcore
deaths
like
I
don't
even
know
how
to
do
it.
G
A
D
Yeah,
so
beyond
the
process,
we
will
get
to
a
point
where
the
multi-stick
is
capable.
It
just
just
requires
time
and
weight
prognosis
to
fix
it,
which
is
not
a
good
thing
we
need
to
like.
We
need
to
check
out
if
aragon
works
and
if
it
just
works-
and
we
just
use
it
for
now
and
then
probably
once
the
multi-stake
works
again
we're
gonna
move
over.
A
But
if
you
want
to
join
and
contribute
and
follow
this
along,
it's
in
the
omen
key
based,
roman
key
base.
B
B
All
right,
so
moving
along
mesa
also
had
its
a
little
bit
of
problems
this
past
week.
The
latest
release
didn't
actually
work
on
exciting
some
configuration
mistakes,
there's
a
new
release
and
I
think,
all
a
proposal
that's
up
already
to
fix
those
issues
other
than
that
not
sure
of
other
any
other
news
on
mesa.
Prime
gal
is
doing
their
sale
on
mesa
on
november
9th
that's
coming
up.
B
If
not,
let's
move
to
dx
swap
where
there's
been
a
lot
of
activity
this
week,
who
still
maybe
you
can
kind
of
give
us
a
little
update
there.
F
F
On
ipfs,
so
anyone
can
go,
they
are
tested,
federico
is
working
on
the
integrating
the
token
picker
feature,
and
then
we
need
to
change
the
themes,
and
I
think
we
will
be
ready
to
go.
The
only
thing
that
we
are
having
troubles
with
is
the
base
tokens
where
you
sky
has
problems.
F
With
that,
because
we
are
using
only
like
like
rapid
ether
and
we
are
going
to
use
dxe
or
maybe
in
our
stable
coins
as
base
tokens,
but
I
think
it
will
be.
We
were
talking
about
this
as
being
a
feature
where
the
user
can
change.
F
The
tokens
are
being
used
as
space
for
swap
for
swapping
for
making
swaps
for
a
liquidity
for
looking
for
other
liquidity
pools
this.
This
could
be
a
very
good
feature,
I
think
so,
but
this
is,
it
is
not
required
for
the
first
launch
for
the
initial
launch
and
yeah
we
are
talking
about.
We
were
talking
about
how
we
are
ready
to
deploy
to
maintenance,
but
I
think
we
decide
that
we
want
to
test
the
liquidity
layer
first
right
before
doing
the
final.
The
deployment.
B
I
think
it
would
be
good
to
test
the
the
v2
center,
potentially
even
just
like
a
the
profit
fee
to
contract
too.
If
we
can
get
that
up
and
running
and
the
in
the
relayer
as
well,
if
we
could
do
some
of
that
testing
on
rank
b,
I
think
that
makes
sense
to
do
now
before
finalizing
the
release,
even
though
it's
not
completely
necessary.
I
think
it's
just
a
good
good
exercise.
B
A
A
A
F
Oh
yeah,
yeah
yeah.
There
is
a
lot
of
money
that
is
being
ruled
that
has
been
routed
for
different
pairs
units
of
decides,
which
pairs
you
are
going,
which
token
you
are
going
to
use
a
space
for,
swap
and
looking
and
searching
liquid,
but
well
the
real
money
is
some
swapping
right.
So
that's
that's.
Where
the
most
important
base
talking
concept
comes
in,
then
you
can
find
your
way
around
about
adding
a
remote
liquidity
on
its
own
special
pairs.
F
But
yeah
we
have
you
have
like
two
types
of
base
tokens
one
is
for
checking
liquidity
and
another
one
is
for
looking
for
swaps.
The
problem
yeah.
The
issue
is
that
the
higher
the
more
the
the
more
base
tokens
you
have,
the
more
computation
is
going
to
demand
to
the
to
the
browser
to
look
and
search
for
the
best
pair.
Possibly
so
we
usually
that's
the
limit.
F
H
Guys
quick
question:
what
does
the
relayer,
what
work
does
the
relayer
do
in
in
this
context?
Just
because
relayers
mean
different
things
and
different
projects
and
from
my
layer
two
world,
I'm
just
what
is
what
does
the
relayer
do?
Those
are
kind
of
like
everything.
B
Nico's,
the
author
so
feel
free
to
jump
in,
but
the
relay
in
this
context
is
relaying
liquidity
from
dx
tau
to
dx,
swap
so
what
that
does
kind
of
in
more
detail?
Is
it?
You
know,
once
you
have
a
proposal
to
fund
a
liquidity
pair
from
the
dx
right,
so
that
a
certain
some
tokens
would
be
sent
say
you
know
dxt
and
ether,
for
example,
although
you
know,
there's
been
a
lot
of
discussion
about
how
we
do
that,
but
it
goes
to
the
relayer
first
and
then
the
relayer
will
actually
like.
B
Allow
calls
to
be
made
to
check
the
oracle
to
check
the
price
for
that
pair
and
it's
actually
done
over
a
period
of
time
like
a
time
weighted
average
oracle
using
either
a
unit
swap
or
dx
swap
depending
on
what
you
tell
it
to
do,
and
basically
that
the
whole
purpose
of
this
is
to
make
sure
you
have
a
good
sense
of
what
the
market
price
for
that
pair
is
before
the
liquidity
actually
gets
deposited
in
the
dx
swap
because
the
moment
you
deposit
liquidity
at
like
a
ratio
that
is
off
of
the
current
market
price,
then
arbitrages
will
basically
like
extract
value
from
your
pair
and
we're
trying
to
avoid
that.
B
With
this
relayer.
H
I
Yeah
yeah,
I
guess
like
the
challenges
arise,
especially
for
taos
because
of
the
nature
that
you
create
the
proposals
a
few
days
ahead
and
cannot
predict
the
actual
market
prices.
So
I
guess
for
actual
real
users
that
just
use
the
usual
wallet.
You
don't
have
that
kind
of
issues,
but
any
kind
of
like
organizations
and
hours
that
cannot
execute
transactions
immediately,
but
going
through
a
governance
process
could
probably
have
the
same
issue
here.
J
Got
it
very?
Thank
you.
I
should
just
add
that
I'm
working
on
with
nico
kind
of
a
explainer
for
this,
especially
because
I
actually
nico
kind
of
said
at
the
end.
I
do
think
this
is
something
that
is
extendable
to
other
dows
and
other
kind
of
groups.
For
those
of
you
who
may
have
seen
earlier
this
week.
J
Yam
finance
did
a
swap
or
a
purchase
of
the
d5
pulse
index
token
through
a
somewhat
interesting
way,
but
I
think
the
the
one
that
were
the
relay
of
the
year
is
a
little
bit
more
sustainable.
I
think
for
for
the
long
term,
so,
but
anyway,
I'll
just
say
we'll,
hopefully
I'll
hopefully
have
a
draft
of
that
today
or
tomorrow.
B
It
might
be
good,
too,
to
create
a
smart
contract
like
architecture
diagram
that
we
can
share
and
include
in
this
post
and
I'd
be
happy
to
help
on
that
kind
of
the
system
as
a
whole.
H
Oh,
no,
no
thank
you
guys
very
clear
got
it.
B
If
we
are
moving
along
on
the
rail
side,
I
think
you
know
keeping
federico
pretty
busy
with
the
x-swap
at
the
moment,
but
he'll
be
doing
some
stuff
there.
I
don't
know
matt
if
you
wanted
to
add
anything
from
the
loop
ring
side
there
what's
going
on
or
when
v3
3.6
might
be
ready.
I
think
that's
pretty
cool.
H
Yeah
right,
that's
really
the
only
thing
we're
focused
on
right
now
that
and
the
app
products,
so
no
like
intermediate
updates
federico
is
also
getting
involved
in
helping
that
on
our
relayer
side
on
the
api
side.
So
he
will
have
a
great
knowledge
about
all
this
and
congrats
by
the
way,
federico
full-time
dx
down
now
and
all
this.
H
So
that's
really
that's
awesome
to
see,
but
okay,
one
thing
because
yes,
we've
been
thinking
a
lot
about
like
how
tokens
will
be
included,
because
it's
not
so
easy
because
not
all
like
some
present
the
security
risk,
if
they're
like
deflationary
or
rebased
ones,
on
layer
two
and
they
could
mess
with
the
system.
H
I'll
just
try
to
think
where
else
rails
could
use
rails
and
loop
ring
itself
can
use
dx,
dao
services,
nothing
but
like
the
token
curation,
but
I
was
wondering
like
I'm
not
up
to
date
with
the
state
of
the
art
on
that
like
are
we
doing
something
around?
Like
token
lists,
you
know,
for
let's
say
dx
swap
is
it?
Are
we
using
like
claros's
tcr,
still
like
like
what
what's
the
state
of
the
art?
On
these
token
lists?
For
the
dx
dial.
B
Dx
now
can
maintain
and
does
maintain
multiple
token
lists
and
could
add
another
one
pretty
easily
okay,
but
we
can
go
into
more
detail
on
like
how
the
ui
on
dx
swap
is.
But
I
mean
to
answer
your
question.
I
think
it's
basically
yes
yeah
if
blueprint
wanted
to
have
tx
now
maintain
a
token
list
for
loopring.
I
think
that's
that's
possible.
Obviously,
claros
also
maintains
like
a
list
that
uniswap
uses
omen,
is
using
clear.
Other
solaris
is
a
good
option
too,
but
dxo
is
also
capable.
H
Okay
yeah.
So
besides
that,
no
I'm
excited
for
what
what
3.6
means
for
rails
is
the
ability
to
send
to
any
address,
not
just
people
who
are
on
so
that's
exciting,
but
I
don't
have
any
other
updates.
Maybe
federico
has
something
or
some
I
know
he
is
always
thinking
about
improvements
in
mine,
but
maybe
he
has
something
to
say.
3.6
also
means
lower
entry
and
exit
gas
cost
right
right
or
completely
hidden
like.
H
If
I
send
you
one
die
on
blue,
bring
zk
roll
up
and
you
never
heard
about
rails
or
layer
2.
You
could
just
go
to
an
interface
and
sign
a
message.
Not
even
do
a
transaction
but
just
sign
a
message
which
uses
it
uses
your
ethereum
ecdsa
signature
and
creates
you
your
layer,
two
ed
dsa
signature
and
you're
on
boarded
and
you
paid
in
some
nothing
because
the
sender
like
the
the
fee
might
have
been
hidden.
It
can
either
be
covered
by
the
app
or
the
sender
yeah.
H
B
Nice,
what
what
is
the
deposit
and
exit
can't?
You
know
that
off
the
top
of
your
head
just
injure
once
you
have
an
account,
you
know
a
so-called
account
with
the
layer
two
like
once
you're
registered
with
layer
two.
What
is
the
general
cost
of
and
entering
it
exiting
that
with
your
tokens.
H
Right
yeah,
so
the
huge
improvement
decreased
gas
cost
is
on
the
onboarding.
It
goes
from
like
whether
it's
like
abstracted
or
not.
It's
like
it's
between
500
and
5000
gas
from
274
000
gas,
so
like
huge
reduction
there
on
the
actual
depositing
withdrawal,
it's
only
40
percent
improvement,
not
500,
x
improvement,
but
so
I
think
you're
looking
at
60
000
gas,
I
get
depending
on
the
token
but
60
70
000
gas
to
move
your
own
assets
on
and
off
the
chain.
B
H
Yeah,
so
this
is
this
is
like
an
interesting
business,
this
discussion
or
like
identity
discussion,
but
you
know
we
are
implementing
the
balancer
curve
on
our
zk
roll
up.
So
you
know
when
we
speak
with
with
that
team,
and
we
made
up
like
a
kind
of
an
informal
proposal,
say
you
know
we
it's
just
like
hey
it's
done.
Balancer
is
on
a
zk
roll
up
here
it
is,
and
they
were
like
wow
that
that's
cool
that
it's
it's
done.
You
know
it's
on
test
net
right
now.
Do
they
want
to
add?
H
Like
bal
token
lp
rewards
for
this
other
environment,
the
balancer
the
community
is
discussing
that
we
don't
really
like.
Obviously,
we
would
like
that.
It's
cool.
It
would
add
two
incentives
to
come
on
to
our
our
layer
two,
but
we're
not
like
tied
to
it.
So
it's
not
like
balancer
itself.
It's
not
like
we're
trying
to
solicit
other
teams
like
yeah,
it's
kind
of
weird
to
think
about,
but
we're
not
saying
like
hey
come
build
your
your
new
amm
here.
It's
like
this
supports
amms,
it's
more
like
so
hey
liquidity
providers
come
here.
H
If
you
want
to
be
able
to
add
and
remove
liquidity,
gas,
free
and
trade
gas
free,
so
yeah,
so
it's
not
like.
I
don't
think
you're
gonna,
see
teams,
saying
hey,
I'm
building
a
new
right
like
this
is
what
I
do
with
like
a
fancy:
oracle
or
a
new
type
of
function,
a
curve
building
it
on
the
zk
roll.
It's
just
like
now
it
supports
balancer
style,
curves
uni
swap
style
curves,
so
I
don't
think
we're
inviting
teams
to
come,
innovate
and
deploy
their
new
stuff
there.
B
H
Yeah,
it's
it's
an
inch
like
it's
hard,
oh
yeah,
it's
funny
like
I
would.
I
don't
know.
If
we're
going
to
call
it,
you
know
the
balance
or
pool
because
then
it
is,
you
know
different
liquidity
than
the
let's
say:
die,
eath
balance
or
pool
on
layer
one.
So
maybe
we
don't
want
to.
You
know
just
signal
it
as
hey
you're
at
but
yeah.
That's
a
side
question
but
yeah
on.
K
H
Two,
if
you
have
assets
on
rails
right
now,
if
you
have
ten
dollars
in
each
and
ten
dollars
in
dxd,
you
could
add
liquidity
to
the
amm
in
the
layer.
Two
environment
completely
you'll
be
minted
a
token
there.
But
I'm
not
like
a
complete
expert
on
this.
It's
kind
of
complex
and
me
and
federico
are
act
like
I
know
he
was
learning
more
about
it
too,
but
you
could
do
all
these
operations
join
exit
swap
from
layer
two.
H
Never
it's
actually
unclear
to
me
what
you
could
do
from
layer,
one
going
backwards
like
what
you
could
do.
B
Yeah-
and
I
think-
and
I
think
that's
where
it
gets
really
interesting-
is
where
you
could
potentially
do
some
stuff
between
layer,
one
and
layer
two
but
anyways.
I
I
have
some
thoughts,
but
this
is
probably
more
of
a
discussion
for
the
dx
swap
strategy
call
or
something
separate,
but
but
yeah,
very,
very
cool
stuff,
though
yeah
anything
else
on
rails
or
layer,
2
or.
B
I
mean
well
kind
of
other,
not
a
layer
too,
but
a
side
chain
is
x-die,
so
yeah.
The
newest
version
of
mesa
should
support
that.
There's
been
a
couple
of
hiccups
with
the
extinguishing
that
deployment
of
the
dx
tao,
but
I
think
it's
all
getting
worked
out.
If
I
understand
correctly
it'll
be
up
and
running
pretty
soon.
B
B
If
not,
we
can
move
to
the
the
recaps
and
the
other
calls.
So
the
biz
dev
call
happened
on
monday.
Ingomar,
I
believe,
is
traveling,
so
he's
not
here
to
update
on
that,
but
we
you
know
chris
is
probably
a
good
person
to
talk
to
this
too,
because
a
lot
of
the
the
discussion
actually
centered
around
the
x-swap
and
how
to
provide
liquidity.
J
Gosh
that
feels
like
a
lifetime
ago,
I
was
thinking
that
was
monday
of
this
week
yeah,
so
the
discussion
was
kicked
off.
Actually
we
discussed
it
a
little
bit
on
the
call
last
week
on
how
d,
basically,
how
dxd
provided
by
gig
style
should
be
priced
in
liquidity,
pools
on
dx
swap
so
we've
been
obviously
talking
all
all
along
about
using
d
style
liquidity
to
kind
of
see,
dx
swap,
and
if
there
is
a
50,
50
pool
of
dxd
and
eth.
J
The
question
is
well:
how
does
that
mean
that
style
is
now
offering
dxd
at
a
lower
rate?
So
an
interesting
discussion.
I
think
on
that.
I
think
the
kind
of
to
summarize
it
in
two
points,
really,
I
think
one
it
does
bring
up
the
philosophical
question
of
what
d
style
can
do
with
the
pre-mint
right.
So
the
pre-med,
the
100
000
dxd,
is
completely
separate
from
the
bonding
curve
and
that's
in
the
treasury.
J
J
So
far,
that
dxd
has
moved
only
for
worker
compensation
proposals
and
that's
vested
and
also
priced
at
the
bonding
curve,
and
then
I
think,
secondly,
kind
of
the
discussion
turned
maybe
separate
from
dx
swap,
but
just
on
dxd
token
in
general,
on
the
price
of
the
token
and
whether
that
is
factoring
into
this
discussion
here
and
whether
you
know,
I
think
the
the
current
price
is
is
like
0.35
east
or
something
which
is
much
lower
than
the
bonding
curve.
J
And
so
how
does
that
factor
into
the
strategy
here
and
whether
or
not
the
dx,
dow
and
the
treasury
could
do
some
type
of
buyback
of
dxe
because
it
thinks
the
price
of
dxd
is
low.
So
those
are
the
kind
of
two.
I
think
broader
issues
that
we're
trying
to
address
the
core
issue
of
can
dxdow
supply,
dxd
liquidity
at
a
quote-unquote
price,
less
than
the
bonding
curve.
B
Yeah,
it's
very
interesting
question
and
the
premium
is
separate.
You
know
it's,
it's
not
invented
by
the
bonding
curve,
but
the
to
sa
it
is
dxd
and
can
be
sold
into
the
bonding
curve
when
issued
so
yeah
important
stuff.
H
Where
did
that
combo
leave?
What's
the
perceived
conclusion
can't
like?
Will
we
be
able,
it
seems
like
we
should
definitely
use
those
assets
productively
and
not
you
know,
be
held
to
that
the
bonding
curve
thing
or
maybe
what?
Where
did
we
leave
off
with
that.
J
Are
you
saying
my
very
political
explanation
didn't
give
you
an
actual
conclusion
of
what
we
decided,
because
I
mean
which
I
think
is
is
a
bit
true.
You
know
a
lot
of
different
things,
we
kind
of
discussed,
and
I
I
don't
know
if
we
got
to
a
strong
consensus,
that's
kind
of
why
I
said
the
I
think.
J
What's
kind
of
underpinning
this
is
the
price
and
performance
of
dxd
separate
from
whether
or
not
we
can
use
the
dxd
on
for
geek
swap
so
the
example
I
gave
in
the
call
on
monday
was
if
the
current
market
price
of
dxd
was
0.75
each
right
that
would,
and
that
would
still
be
lower
than
the
1.03
beat
on
the
bonding
curve.
But
I
doubt
we
would
be
getting
as
much
pushback
or
consideration
for
that.
So
for
me,
I
think
the
price
of
dxd
factors
into
this
a
bit
more
right
so
yeah.
J
I
would
say
that
and
then
I
think,
worried
about
the
long-term
implications
of
it.
But
I
don't
know
if
we've
made
a
decision
on
whether
or
not
to
try
to
buy
back
dxd
from
the
market
to
use
in
dx
swap
the
other
option
is
well.
Maybe
this
means
we
shouldn't
use,
dx,
dow
liquidity
at
all
or
for
dxd,
and
that
we
should
try
to
incentivize
dxd
holders
to
put
their
own
dxd
into
the
into
the
pool,
and
we
could
do
that
through
what
we
could
even
give
rewards
in
in
heath.
B
I
think
it's
worth
thinking
about
what
is
that
goal
here
right
and
the
goal
is,
in
my
mind,
at
least
to
make
dick
swap
successful
and
like
what
is
needed
to
make
dx
swap
successful
right,
like
you
want
the
pair
that
you
know
you
want
pairs
in
dx
swap
to
have
the
best
liquidity
right,
the
best
price
and
the
best
trading
volume.
So
I
actually
don't
think
it's
it's
not
like.
B
We
need
to
just
dump-
and
you
know
endless
amount
of
dxd
from
the
treasury
to
do
that
right.
There's
really
just
like
there's
some
target
amount.
I
think
that
would
suffice
right
to
that
end
like
that,
would
make
the
the
pool
the
most
competitive
on
the
market,
and,
I
think,
there's
multiple
ways
to
get
there
right,
like
getting
other
people
who
are
providing
liquidity
on
unit
swap
or
balancer,
to
move
their
liquidity
over
to
to
dx
swap
or
to
incentivize
other
people
to
do
that
or
to
actually
use
the
the
treasury.
B
So
I
think
that's
worth
thinking
about
like
what
is
the
real
goal
here.
I
think
the
other
kind
of,
like
I
don't
think,
there's
super
clear
consensus
on.
H
Yeah,
no,
those
are
all
good
good
points.
I
I
don't.
I
can't
reach
a
conclusion
myself,
so
I
am
yeah
the
goal.
Yeah,
I
mean
the
goal.
We
want
this
to
be
a
successful
product
like
this,
the
price
of
dxd,
even
assuming
it
was
clear,
like
short-term
pain
like
be
offering
on
the
market
at
a
less
than
fair
value
price,
if
that
is
if
that
is
true
or
whatever,
if
yeah,
that
could
be
painful,
but
we're
trying
to
make
successful
dx
dow
products.
H
B
I
think
another
interesting
middle
ground
might
be
to
set
a
target
be
like
this
is
what
we
think
makes
successful,
dx
swap
and
then
to
see
if
you
could
even
like
make
a
plan
right
to
provide
liquidity
from
the
treasury
at
a
certain
date.
If
that
target
isn't
met
right,
then
dxd
holders
have
the
opportunity
to
kind
of
like
go
meet
that
target
themselves
and
if
they
don't,
then
the
treasury
steps
in,
and
does
it
right,
like
so
just.
J
Yeah
it
just
because
there's
a
couple
different
moving
parts
here
I
mean
the
fee
strategy
is
kind
of
designed
off
of
dx
dow,
providing
liquidity
because,
like
we,
we
would
set
the
the
fees
low
and
and
make
it
basically
not
that
appealing
to
lps,
knowing
that
deet
stout
can
kind
of
step
in,
and
so
I
get
thinking
about
how
we
would
have
to
use
different.
I
think
the
three
tools
you
know
that
that
really
makes
deep
swap
different
from
from
any
other.
You
know
product
that
we
can
adjust.
J
Two
is
adjusting
the
fees
on
each
of
the
pools
and
three
is
using
some
type
of
dxt
rewards
or
any
other
type
of
liquidity
incentives,
and
so
I
think
just
like
when
you
move
one
or
you're
trying
to
achieve
one.
That
kind
of
has
knock
down
effects
on
the
other,
so
I
think
it's
it'll
be
may
be
challenging.
We'll
have
to
think
about
how
to
calibrate
specifically.
H
The
tool
of
like
the
dx,
now
liquidity
being
like
in
in
the
arsenal,
it's
very
unique,
but
it's
also
like
you
think
about
it
from
like
the
competitor.
It's
like
the
dx
dow
is
the
same
as
like
some
uni
swap
lover
right
who
will
just
deposit
asset?
Maybe
they
have
a
lot
of
uni,
or
maybe
they
just
really
love
it,
and
if
these
were
low,
they
would
still
deposit
liquidity.
So
it's
like
it's
very
unique,
but
it's
basically
just
like
a
super
fan.
Who
will
provide
liquidity?
H
No
matter,
no
matter
what
and
it
won't
be
reproducible
across
other,
as
you
said,
like
the
fee
strategy.
So
it's
like
optima,
it's
like
okay,
we
will
come
in.
We
have
this
special,
the
special
liquidity
provider,
who
is
doesn't
care
about
fees,
yeah,
anyways?
That,
as
you
said,
there's
three
tools
there.
I
see.
A
H
B
A
B
B
So
it's
a
it's
a
kind
of
a
pricing
question
right
like
as
a
as
lps
and
the
other
aspect
of
this
is
that,
if
the
extent
is
providing
liquidity
from
the
treasury
in
some
ways,
it's
I
don't
know
about,
I
don't
know
if
competing
is
the
right
word,
but
like
it's,
it's
taking
a
share
of
that
those
fees
from
the
other
liquidity
providers
as
well
right.
J
So
yeah
this
is
this
is
actually
I
think
zett
had
originally
brought
this
up
like.
Oh,
you
know
that
there
is
and
there's
almost
another
metric
in
that
discussion,
which
is
like
the
denominator
for
the
size
of
the
pool,
because
if
you
assume
there
are
like
there's
x
amount
of
volume
with
certain
amount
of
fees
or
rewards
for
an
lp's
perspective,
the
big
question
is
okay.
What
percentage
of
that
pool
am
I
going
to
be?
J
J
That
corresponds
with,
like
the
amount
of
fees
that
are
generated
and
not
trying
to
have
the
pool
be
larger
than
that,
because
then
you're
just
really
kind
of
wasting
that
liquidity.
To
give
an
example,
this
is
from
an
andrew
king,
a
tweet
thread
about
the
wbtc
eath
pool
on
uniswap,
that
is
being
subsidized
by
uni
rewards.
I
think
right
now
you
can
probably
get
you.
Can
do
like
a
four
million
dollar
trade
without
with
like
less
than
two
percent
slippage,
but
the
closest
competitor
for
a
centralized
exchange?
It's
like
this.
J
According
coin,
gecko
is
like
one
million
dollar
one
million
dollars,
so
the
argument
is
the
uniswap
wbtc
eath
pool
is
just
too
big.
It
doesn't
need
to
be
that
big
and
offer
that
much
liquidity,
because
the
trade
volumes
are
mostly
in
this
area
and
that
extra
liquidity
is
being
subsidized
by
uni
rewards.
So
it
would
be
like
wiser
to
kind
of
find
that
that
optimal
one.
So
I
think
that's
like
the
strategy
in
how
geeksdale
can
be
that
player
that
calibrates
and
adjusts
that.
B
So
essentially,
the
uni
holders
are
overpaying
for
liquidity
on
the
wd
btc
weath
pair
with,
like
no
real
added
benefit
to
the
to
the
protocol's
dominance
or
or
themselves
right,
like.
H
I
think
on
twitter
but
like
covalent,
the
data
company
is
doing
this
dungeons
and
data
competition
on
uni
swap,
and
I
saw
ganesh
their
founder,
asked
like
what
he
wants
to
see
and
they're
like
basically
slicing
the
data
in
a
million
ways
by
wallet
by
lp
by
pool
and
one
of
the
things
that
he
thought
would
be
cool
to
see
is
like
yeah,
median
liquidity
provider
side
trade
size
to
kind
of
own.
H
In
on
exactly
what
you
said
like
where
so
yeah,
just
something
I'll
make
a
note
and
I'll
find
the
link
after
but
dungeons
and
data,
we
might
be
able
to
learn
from
them
going
through.
Just
really
probably
the
most
granular
analysis
of
uni
swap
pools
by
and
and
and
we
could
solve.
Hopefully
like
learn
something
from
exactly
what
you
just
said,
not
overpay
for
that,
but
yeah,
dungeons
and
data.
It
looks
pretty
cool.
B
B
Even
though
decisions
are
a
little
bit
slowly
taking
like
a
week
or
whatever
to
execute
it,
it
can
be
very
adaptable,
in
terms
of
you
know,
optimizing
what
we're
doing
to
to
meet
the
goals
but
yeah,
it's
just
so
we're
moving
along
getting
towards
the
end
here
chris
on
the
governance,
call
anything
else
to
update
there.
I
think
there
were
a
couple
important
things
there
as
well.
J
Sorry
I
shouldn't
talk
before
I'm
about
to
talk
a
lot
more
too.
So,
just
on
the
the
governance
1.0
stuff,
we
had
a
discussion
about
another
round
of
community
rep
boost.
I
made
a
reply
on
the
thread
that
sky
had
started
on
the
previous
one.
I
think
there
were
seven
or
eight
people
listed
there,
so
definitely
kind
of
be
involved
in
that
see.
If
there's
anyone
else,
we
should
nominate
if
you
have
any
specifics
to
kind
of
add
to
the
thread.
J
That
would
be
great
talking
about
trying
to
make
that
more
regular
and
what
exactly
those
rewards
do.
Second
kind
of
governance.
One
point
x
stuff
a
couple
different
things
there
one
is
gusto
unveiled
another
that
a
separate
deke
style
vote,
dap
that
he
has
kind
of
been
working
on,
there's
also
a
threat
on
that.
J
I
would
check
that
out
and
then
there
was
some
discussion
on
the
xdi
xdx
dao
kind
of
a
lot
of
things
going
on
there,
trying
to
figure
out
how
to
calibrate
that
and
then
lastly,
governance
2.0
stuff,
so
we're
kicking
off
a
the
kickoff
call
is
next
tuesday
at
12,
30
p.m,
eastern
time
or
east
coast
u.s
time.
So
we
should
have
people
set
for
that
if
you're
interested
in
kind
of
getting
involved.
J
B
Acoustic,
do
you
want
to
talk
a
little
bit
about
your
post
and
why
why
you
think
this
is
a
good
effort
to
make.
F
Yeah
sure
well,
the
idea
is
to
start
taking
control
about
our
governance
platform.
F
Basically
start
yeah
start
integrating
some
features
that
that
that
we
have
been
talking
for
a
long
time
and
at
the
same
time,
like
I
explained,
the
post
er
start
pursuing
what
we
say
on
the
manifesto
to
have
something
completely
decentralized,
where
we
don't
have
to
rely
on
any
third-party
services
or
a
centralized
entity
to
to
be
able
to
vote.
F
For
example,
I
was
saying
that
I
was
saying
what
you
what
you
just
said
in
the
chat
that
the
graph
was
down
that
was
causing,
for
example,
our
voting
up
to
be
down
yeah,
and
even
that,
even
if
they,
if
there
is
an
issue
on
on
on
on
on
off
the
costing
the
app
can
also
go
down.
So
we
can
we
there.
We
have
choose
two
bottleneck.
F
We
can
call
it
two
button
steps
in
our
in
our
government
process,
which
I
think
that
considering
our
funds
are
how
low
how
far
we
have.
F
F
It
just
needs
to
work
and
to
be
stable
right
to
be
there
up
and
running
24
7
wow,
something
that
we
can
rely
upon,
even
if
it
is
not
the
perfect
gap
at
the
beginning,
but
he
has
to
make
something
solid,
that
it
works
at
first
and
then
iterate
over
that
there
is
a
lot
of
things
that
are
that
we
can
do,
and
also
thanks
to
the
dao
stack
architecture
that
we
are
using
this
modular
design.
F
It
allows
us
to
have
a
different
governance,
a
different
governance
application
using
another
scheme
using
another
voting
machine
that
will
access
the
same
funds
that
the
that
alchemy,
that
we
can
access
throughout.
So
we
can
have
two
applications
running
at
the
same
time,
eventually
collaborating
more
more
closely
together,
because
we
will
be
able
to
intervene
more
features
on
our
own
and
that
was
that
would
be
able
to
absorb
them.
F
If
they
want
and
we
will
be
able
to
do
the
same
from
alchemy,
if
they
integrate
something
that
is
super
cool,
we
will
be
able
to
take
the
javascript
code
and
integrate
it
on
our
app.
So
it
will
enable
more
direct
technical
collaboration.
F
So
the
idea
is
yes,
yeah.
Sorry,
just
shuttle
finish
to
start
with
this
project
next
month.
Have
the
minimum
viable
product
done.
You
know,
maybe
I
don't
care
about
the
don't
care
too
much
about
how
how
it's
going
to
look
mainly
about
that
it
works
and
it
purely
decentralized.
B
K
B
Style
vote
dap
post
by
gustand,
talk
yeah.
I
think
it's
a
cool
cool
idea.
The
other
thing
I'd
be,
I'm
excited
about
too
that's
already
in
the
works.
Is
this
the
dxd
guild
which
should
come
before
this
and
you
know,
for
instance,
you
know
we're
talking
about
providing
dxd
liquidity
from
the
treasury.
I
would
love
to
see
you
know
some
proposal
to
a
dxd
guild
to
get
the
real
opinion
of
all
the
dxd
holders
on
what
we
should
be
doing
here.
B
Right
and
you
know
down
talk
is
fine,
but
it's
hard
to
really
know.
You
know
who's
saying
what
and
are
they
really
you
know?
Is
it
really
the
voice
of
the
dxd
holders?
We
don't
really
know
right,
and
so
the
xd
guild
will,
I
think,
enable
us
to
hear
the
voice
of
the
the
dxd
holders
and
that's
going
to
be
super
awesome.
B
G
F
Yeah,
that's
a
tough
problem
to
solve
by
the
idea
would
be
to
rely
on
on
on
contract
states
hosting
the
proposed
id
and
the
ipfs
hash,
and
then
how
the
we
and
then
we
need
to
find
a
casio
solution,
something
that
we
can
host,
maybe
something
that
we
can
update
on
as
an
organization
on
our
ipfs
of
the
mine,
a
cache
of
all
past
proposals
that
were
executed,
and
so
we
can
search
through
that
static
data
database,
because
once
the
proposal
passes,
it
doesn't
change.
F
That
is
going
to
be
immutable
once
it
passes,
so
everything
will
be
stored
on
chain
yeah,
okay,
cool.
B
So
the
idea
would
be
to
use
ipfs
for
the
the
proposal
text
and
that
kind
of
thing,
if
we
could
figure
out
something
there
yeah,
because
that's
what
a
subgraph
does
do
right.
It's
they're
kind
of
like
the
caching
layer
for
for
blockchain
right,
but
they're
kind
of
centralized
at
the
moment,
they're
trying
to
become
more
decentralized.
F
Yeah
also
also
here
well,
the
way
that
alchemy
works
is
that
they
index
a
lot
of
events
that
they
already
there
that
are
thrown
when
you
create
a
proposal.
When
you
make
a
vote
so
subgraph
index,
everything
and
you
can
search
through
all
the
data
more
easily,
which
makes
sense
you
know,
because
they
they
they
are
having
a
lot
of
organization
created.
F
It's
not
that
they
are
having
one
down.
In
our
case,
we
can
design
something
more
way
way
simple,
because
we
are,
we
don't
have
to
index
as
many
information
right
yeah.
We
have
the
idea
to
experiment
with
that
and
and
test
and
start
playing
with
that
see.
How
can
we
find
another
cache
solution
that
will
make
us
make
something
make
something
decentralized
and
usable.
B
F
Good,
oh
man,
yeah,
definitely
also
think
about
the
extras,
for
example
the
extras,
maybe
the
app
yeah.
It's
not
super
super
beautiful,
it's
not
very
nice
to
use,
but
it
is
there
and
it's
going
to
be
there
and
it
will
sit
there
because
it
is
hosting
an
mpfs
and
communicates
directly
with
the
blockchain.
So
that's
it.
There
is
nothing
in
between
only
the
user
when
it
connects.
Like
you
connect
your
your
ethereum
provider
is
purely
client
type,
so
that's
going
to
be
there
forever,
and
that
is
what
we
want.
F
B
D
D
F
Not
actually,
no,
actually,
no,
you
know
we
removed
that
option,
hello,
the
I
mean
it
is
using
like
one
in
fura,
but
it
wasn't
using
infidel
by
default.
But
now,
if
you
want
to
interact
with
the
with
the
extras,
you
need
to
connect
the
app
you
need
to
connect
your
provider.
B
J
On
this
is-
and
this
is
not
just
for,
if
you're,
a
gusto
or
kind
of
alchemy
in
general-
I
just
think
you
know
right
now.
We
have
like
voting
and
decision
making
and
then
there's
like
discussion,
and
I
think,
whatever
type
of
kind
of
new
voting
system,
new
thing
that
we
have.
We
need
to
collapse
those
whether
that's
integrating
the
forum
kind
of
key
based
conversation.
J
Videos
like
we
just
need
to
kind
of
collapse
that
all
into
one
thing,
so
that
we
can
kind
of
get
better
at
making
decisions
much
more
transparent
about
all
of
these
things
because,
like
the
information
is
only
going
to
like
grow
exponentially.
G
G
That's
meant
to
it's
almost
like
a
security
thing
like
something
where
it's
it's
meant
to
rely
as
little
as
possible
on
anything,
centralized
and
be
that
core.
But
I
don't
think
it
makes
sense
to
make
that
also
the
thing
where
we
put
in
the
forum
or
or
even
necessarily
where
we
change
the
voting
machine
right,
because
that's
also
another
risk
like
like
keep
the
same
voting
machine.
Make
the
core
thing.
Then,
if
we
want
a
better
voting
machine,
if
we
want
forums
like
let's
just
work
on
that
in
the
main
app.