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From YouTube: e-NABLE SPC Meeting, October 16, 2020
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This is a recording of the e-NABLE Strategic Planning Committee meeting for Friday, October 16, 2020.
The notes/agenda document can be found here: https://bit.ly/358uMhD
A
Okay,
here
we
go
all
right:
ben
you're,
taking
notes
today
I
can
do
that.
Okay
only
have
two
action
items:
one's
for
nate
he's
not
here
yet
bob
still
looking
for
a
candidate
for
our
video
concierge
session,
we
thought
I
had
one
I
emailed
him
said:
are
you
in
the
u.s?
A
No
response?
No
problem!
That's
going
to
take
some
time,
no
rush,
we'll
just
leave
it
on
there.
Good
thing
is
that
we
have
whittled
our
to-do
list
down
to
just
those
those
two.
So
on
we
go
on
page
two.
We've
got
a
couple
of
upcoming
presentations
that
we're
shooting
for,
but
no
dates
on
those.
Yet
so
we'll
move
right
along
we've
got
all
the
usual
metrics
on
pages
three
and
four,
including
the
the
new
charts.
So
I'm
just
gonna
let
those
kind
of
speak
for
themselves.
You
guys
can
browse
those.
A
I
guess
the
only
thing
notable
this
week
was
a
lot
of
badge
requests,
otherwise
yeah,
otherwise
pretty
typical,
pretty
busy
with
those
so
on
to
our
agenda.
You
know
what
I
didn't
have
a
chance
to
check
this
morning
to
see
proposals.
I
know
that
we
did
move
the
chapter.
A
Wishbone
project
into
proposal
mode,
so
I
think
all
of
us
here
have
voted
and
it's
13
and
everybody's
for
it
so
far,
so
I
think
we
need
two
more
for
it
to
go
and
today
is
supposed
to
be
the
last
day.
So,
oh
really
today
is
15
the
magic
number.
I
thought
it
was
18.
A
18,
I
think.
Is
it
18?
Okay?
Well,
so
so
we
need
to
rattle
the
cage.
Have
you
have
you
promoted
it
outside
of
lumio?
Have
you
posted
on
the
hub
and
posted
on
some
of
the
facebook
enable
groups
steps
on
that?
What
was
that?
Yes?
A
Yes,
all
right!
So,
like
the
facebook,
r
d
group
and
the
community
bulletin
board
group,
we've
got
a
couple
of
groups
other
than
the
public
enable
group
that
it
would
be
good
to
post
it
in
yeah.
I
share
it
in
about
four
gr:
okay
groups.
A
and
I
think
it's
possible
to
send
a
message
to
them,
although
they
are
about
to
get
an
automatic
one,
but
an
appeal
to
them
to
just
take
a
minute
they're
already
registered
and
to
weigh
in
might
be
the
most
the
best
bet
for
rustling
up
the
support
right
and
it's
possible.
We
could
extend
it.
I
mean
having
30,
of
course,
that
that
are
voting
for
it,
not
nobody
against
it,
and
you
know
it's
only
been
a
week.
We
did
two
weeks
with
the
discussion
in
just
one
week
for
the
voting.
Well,
that's
right!
A
A
Okay,
so
we'll
revisit
that
next
week
see
how
it
goes
all
right,
so
long
term,
you
know
just
make
a
comment
about
this
extension,
and
this
has
nothing
to
do
with
ben's
proposal,
but
in
general,
if
we
extend
projects
when
we
don't
get
enough
votes
until
we
do
get
enough
votes
and
they
pass
doesn't
that
kind
of
defeat
the
whole
process?
A
No,
because
you
could
extend
it
and
have
things
to
get
defeated,
also
yeah
it
doesn't
people
can
vote
yes
or
no
bob.
I
mean
the
only
reason.
I'm
just
my
feeling
is
the
you
know.
We
don't
have
any
rules
about
how
long
a
proposal
needs
to
go.
He
could
have
very
well
set
up
the
voting
to
go
for
two
weeks
from
the
beginning.
He
just
happened
to
set
it
to
one
week.
A
The
other.
The
other
side
of
this
is
in
this
particular
case.
I
don't
know
if
you've,
if
you've
read
through
the
proposal,
it's
a
lot
to
digest
and
I
I
can't
help
but
feel
that
the
reason
that
we
haven't
gotten
enough
votes
is
it's
just
a
little
intimidating
people
kind
of
glance
at
it
and
they're
like
well.
I
don't
have
time
to
read
all
that,
and
so
they
don't
vote
they
figure
out.
Somebody
else
will
vote
on
it.
A
You
know
I
I
feel,
like
that's
part,
of
the
reason
that
we
haven't
hit
grumpers
yet
so
you
bring
up
a
good
point.
I
you
know
we're,
but
I
don't
think
we're
trying
to
game
the
system
here,
we're
just
trying
to
I'm
not
doing
that.
I'm
just
thinking
out
loud
yeah,
it's
just.
I
think
this
one
in
particular
is
a
lot
to
digest.
So,
let's
give
people
a
little
more
time
to
read
through
it.
A
Okay,
so
on
we
go
so
bob
you
had
brought
up
a
long-term,
enable
concern
via
email
and
I
wanted.
I
thought
this
would
be
a
good
place
to
discuss
it.
So
I
copied
some
of
your
notes
into
here
and
I'm
just
gonna
kind
of
just
kind
of
kind
of
read
through
some
of
these
here.
So
you
pointed
out
that
there's
an
increasing
mismatch
between
our
ability
to
produce
prostheses
and
the
number
of
people
who
actually
need
them.
A
I
I
would
just
say
it
might
not
be
a
discrepancy
between
the
number
of
devices
and
the
number
of
people
who
need
them,
but
rather
the
number
of
devices
and
the
number
of
people
who
need
them
who
have
found
their
way
to
us.
I
think
there's
plenty
of
people
out
there
who
need
them.
That's
what
I
mean
yeah
yeah,
we
all
know,
there's
a
small
number
of
ewc
cases.
A
We've
talked
about
this
we've
communicated
with
individuals
and
chapters
who
are
having
difficulty
locating
recipients
and
who
often
expect
us
to
provide
them
on
the
production
side.
We've
got
a
device
inventory
of
tens
of
units
and
that's
going
to
go
up.
A
A
We
have
spoken
about
providing
devices
out
of
inventory
for
ewc
cases,
but
that
only
serves
to
further
limit
volunteer
involvement
on
a
global
scale.
We're
pumping
out
an
awful
lot
of
plastic,
but
increasingly
a
lot
of
difficulty
getting
these
devices
to
actual
recipients,
and
we
want
to
avoid
having
disillusioned
and
frustrated
volunteers,
I'm
just
thinking
yeah
in
time
a
lot
of
plastic
goes
out,
but
how
many
make
it
to
actual
volunteer
recipients
that
that
make
it
to
us
right
right,
just
a
concern.
A
You
know
I
was
on
a
a
panel
with
a
singapore
conference
just
yesterday
morning
at
5
00
a.m,
and
one
of
the
speakers
was
from
the
jaipur
clinic.
They
have
done,
I
believe,
two
million
feet
which
go
for
twenty
dollars.
He
says
people
ask
me
how
come
your
feet
are
so
cheap.
I
say
how
come
your
feet
are
so
expensive
because
they've
actually
been
tested
against
a
twenty
thousand
dollar
unit
from
a
seattle
company
and
it
fared
better
than
the
twenty
thousand
dollar
seattle.
A
And
it
was
a
good
discussion.
There
was
a.
There
was
also
a
sort
of
a
singapore
conventional
prosthetist
there
who
who
was,
however,
receptive
and
said
our
problem
is
we're
very
siloed,
we're
very
busy,
but
both
of
them
expressed
an
interest
in
in
collaborating,
as
did
a
second
person
from
the
jaipur
clinic,
who
had
been
at
the
portland
conference
that
we
had
once
upon
a
time.
A
A
How
do
they
make
them?
You
know
it's.
It's
not
3d
printed,
it's
pvc
pipe!
It
is
rubber
from
tires
and
a
few
other
things,
that's
a
it's
a
standardized
handcraft
project.
A
They
also
have
a
knee,
which
is
a
four
component
knee
that
works
quite
well
anyway.
They're
they're,
by
far
the
most
widely
deployed
prosthetic
outfit
in
the
entire
world,
they're
famous
for
low
level-
and
I
I
think
the
time
might
be
right
to
revisit
the
notion
of
some
kind
of
a
collaboration
with
them
again.
Shipping
would
be
the
major
issue,
but
they're
actually
fairly
well
funded
and
so
they're
really
sort
of
working
through
an
arrangement
might
be
interesting.
A
The
only
thing
I'm
I'm
wondering,
though,
is
that
you
know
our
community,
while
not
necessarily
hinged
to
3d
printing
that
is
kind
of
our
sweet
spot.
I
I
wonder
I
mean
I
like
the
idea
and
I
just
jotted
it
down
under
possible
solutions.
I
like
the
idea
of
looking
at
looking
at
making
feet,
but
I
I
wonder
if
the
work
that
oh
gosh
now
I'm
drawing
a
blank
on
his
name,
was
it
muhammad
ahmad
ahmad?
A
Thank
you
ahmad,
so
ahmad
showed
us,
I
mean
he's
doing
some
excellent
work
with
with
3d
printed
feet.
I
wonder
if
that
might
be
a
better
opportunity
to
move
into
that
area.
I
I
guess
my
question
is
going
back
to
some
discussions.
We've
had
with
the
fda
in
the
past
they've
they've
always
indicated.
We
got
no
problem.
What
you're
doing
stick
to
upper
limbs,
at
least
that
seemed
to
be
part
of
their
message.
That's
right!
Now
we're
not
talking
about
making
legs
we're
talking
about
specifically
feet.
Do
you
know
how
this
oh?
A
Is
questionable
for
the
reason
you're
you're
suggesting
it
is
them
taking
on
our
arms?
Is
the
scenario
that
I
think
has
promised:
okay,
okay,.
A
When
I
looked
at
the
the
work
ahmad
did,
I
mean
there's
machined
aluminum,
it's
it's
a
crafted,
you
know
is
metal
working
involved
and
that's
that's
not
who
we
are
at
least
not
today
and
probably
not
going
to
get
many
people
who
do
that
right.
A
So
some
of
the
solutions
that
bob
had
jotted
down
was
possibly
dedicate
real
efforts
to
identify
and
locate
pools
of
recipients,
hospitals,
ngo
refugee
organizations,
non-for-profit
groups,
etc.
A
Another
possibility
is
expanding
into
prostheses
for
animals,
which
of
course
means
many,
many
different
styles
and
types.
You
know
each
animal
is
very
different.
The
reason
I
mentioned
that
one
is
in
the
last
three
or
four
weeks:
I've
had
three
tickets
concerning
animals.
Yeah
I
get
inquiries
on
them
too.
I've
I've
had
several
another
option
is
expand
our
offering
to
other
assistive
devices,
including
ppe,
which
there's
been
some
of.
I
I
personally
gravitate
towards
that.
First
point
there.
A
I
see
this
as
primarily
a
pr
challenge
and
we've
talked
about
this
in
the
past.
Our
historically,
our
discussion
was
that
you
know
we
know
that
we
have
a
shortage
of
cases
in
enable
web
central.
We
feel
that
that
that
we
we
need
to
do
some
some
pr
to
get
the
word
out
there
to
the
general
population
to
let
them
know
that
they
can
come
and
use
enable
web
central
to
request
a
device
for
free.
A
The
reason
we
held
off
on
that
was,
we
felt
that
we
needed
to
make
some
improvements
in
ewc.
First,
that's
where
we
started
working
with
the
deloitte
team
and
we're
going
to
make
it
more.
You
know
a
little
bit
more
intuitive
and
easier
to
use
and
that
just
never
got
finished
and
it
kind
of
got
dumped
back
on
our
plate.
So
we
never
really
did
that
pr
work.
I
still
think
that's
the
way
to
go.
The
question
is
whether
we,
you
know
just
kind
of
do
it.
A
You
know
now
with
ewc
in
its
current
state,
or
we
try
to
again
make
some
improvements
first,
but
we've
never
really
done
any
general
pr
to
the
to
the
general
population
or
to
the
types
of
entities
that
bob
mentioned
here
specifically
trying
to
bring
people
into
enable
web
central
to
request
devices,
and
I
think
that
really
is
tied
into
the
shortage
of
cases.
We
have
in
ewc
not
a
lot
of
people
find
their
way
to
that.
You
know
they.
A
I
I
think
that
if,
if
we
could
get
the
word
out
there,
that
we
have
a
community
of
volunteers
ready
to
make
free
prosthetic
devices
for
those
in
need
come
to
enablewebcentral.com
and
register,
for
you
know,
request
a
free
device.
I
think
we'd
see
you
know
more
cases.
The
demand
is
certainly
out
there.
So
I
think
that's
certainly
a
part
of
the
the
equation
here.
A
I,
if
you
remember
one
about
two
years
ago,
I
did
my
own
little
experiment
with
the
rohingya
refugee
camp
border,
bangladesh
largest
refugee
camp
in
the
world,
about
almost
a
million
people
there,
and
I
reached
out
to
an
aid
organization
in
florida
that
operates
health
clinics
in
that
camp,
and
they
actually
put
me
in
touch
with
people
over
there.
And
I
got
inquiries
to
me.
A
Bob
rieger,
but
the
problem
is,
is
that
they
kept
asking
for
fixes
for
people
that
were
so
profoundly
in
need
so
profoundly
damaged
by
war,
birth,
defects,
whatever
that
there
was
no
way
either
I
or
any
other
volunteer
and
enable
was
going
to
be
able
to
help
them
or
if
you
could,
it
would
be
something
very
custom,
probably
exactly
and
and
operating
in
those
distances,
and
then
you
it
fell
apart,
basically
yeah,
but
I
there
was
an
exchange
of
three
or
four
cases.
They
sent
me
photos
and
it
was
heartbreaking
to
get
the
photos.
A
Yeah
yeah,
but
that's
a
good
point.
I
mean
certainly
the
people
that
have
been
most
successful.
I
mean
we
were
talking
about
matt
botel
earlier,
and
I
look
at
some
of
the
videos
on
his
site
and
it's
all
you
know
you
can
see
him
there
in
person
with
kids
working
with
them
making
adjustments,
I
mean
those
are
the
people
that
are
most
successful.
A
A
So
other
thoughts
about
how
we
address
this
discrepancy
between
the
production
side
and
the
number
of
recipients
that
we
have.
I
don't
disagree
with
you
and
I'll
echo
john's
comment.
I
mean
everything's
possible
if
you
have
champions
that
are
going
to
really
work
on
it.
Yeah
ben
I
added
in
the
chat,
there's
some
other
sort
of
offshoots
to
bob's
discussion,
including
the
life
cycle
of
events
of
products.
A
I
think
that's
important
to
think
about
recycling
and
what
responsibility
we
have
to
all
this
plastic
can
everton's
app
be
integrated
into
our
process
with
ewc
well
anything's
possible,
but
that
would
require
a
fair
amount
of
custom
development
to
tie
the
two
together.
I'm
not
sure
we
can
do
that
right
now.
A
As
for
the
recycling,
you
know,
life
cycle
is
an
important
factor.
I
don't
know
that
we
as
a
community
do
a
great
job,
something
to
make
it
easier
for
people.
I
I
don't
know
that
we
as
a
community
do
a
great
job
on
the
follow-up
side.
You
know
you
make
a
device
for
a
kid.
How
many
of
our
volunteers
proactively
reach
out.
You
know
a
year
later
to
say:
hey.
Are
you
ready
for
a
new
device?
A
I
think
the
majority
of
volunteers
probably
make
a
device
and
then
they're
kind
of
on
to
the
next
thing,
and
I
don't
know
that
we
really
do
a
good
enough
job
of
of
staying
in
contact
and
offering
you
know
new
new
sized
up
devices
as
these
kids
grow
and
then
the
flip
side
that
ben
mentioned
is,
is
you
know,
recycling
those
devices
I
I
might
have
a
possible
solution
for
that?
One
of
my
partners,
that's
a
filament
manufacturer.
A
They
have
a
recycling
program
for
for
the
spools
and
I
wonder
if
he
might
also
be
able
to
help
us
with
recycling
the
actual
parts,
the
the
plastic
right
right
there
in
chicago
with
you
he's
in
chris
crystal
lake
but
yeah
nearby
here.
So
I
I
can
reach
out
to
him
and
see
if
that
would
fit
into
his
recycling
program
and
if
that
works
for
him,
I
could
provide
an
address
where
anybody
can
send
old
devices
and
they'd
get
recycled
I'll
have
to
look
into
that.
A
You
know
just
an
example.
What
I
see
is
a
pattern
in
in
the
chapter
administration,
you
have
a
young
person
who
gets
really
excited
about
what
we
do.
You
can
see
them.
They
first,
you
know
apply
for
the
badge
to
join
the
hub.
Then
a
volunteer
then
introduce
themselves.
Then
the
badges
come
for
one
or
two
devices
and
right
away.
They
want
to
start
a
chapter
immediately.
A
They
don't
have
any
volunteers
yet,
but
they
want
to
start
a
chapter,
and
I
remind
them.
It
takes
two
current
posts
showing
activity.
You
know
you
kind
of
it's
a
chicken
and
egg
thing
here,
start
doing
something,
and
then
let's
talk
about
chapter
yeah,
and
I
know
that,
particularly
with
the
pandemic.
Now
these
school
groups
in
that
meeting
or
if
they
are
they're
meeting
on
a
very
infrequent
basis,
so
you've
got
to
question
what
a
lot
of
these
newer
chapters
are
doing
anyway,
yeah
yeah,
and
if
they
are
they're
printing
off
a
lot
of
stuff.
A
Okay,
it
teaches
them
3d,
printing,
it
teaches
them
to
work
together.
There's
a
lot
of
collateral
benefit,
but
these
things
don't
get
to
recipients.
What
about
advertising?
I
you
know,
I
mean
I'm
just
wondering
about
a
traditional,
you
know
putting
an
ad
in
some
of
the
like
craigslist
I
mean.
Maybe
we
put
an
ad
out
on
craigslist
saying,
hey.
A
A
I
could
help
you
set
that
up
we're
already
doing
a
lot
with
google
ads,
so
I
could
easily
help
set
up
some
ads
and
get
them
going
well.
Okay,
so
we
clearly
we
need
to
do
that.
I
think
that
would
be
a
really
good
way
to
frankly,
jeremy
you're,
already
an
administrator.
I
I've
spent
a
man
day
trying
to
get
it
to
work
and
the
cycle
time
when
you
have
an
error
was
very
difficult.
The
support
was
not
good,
but
you
are
an
administrator.
A
I
believe
that
if
you
log
into
the
enable.org
account,
as
you
have
before,
you'll
have
all
the
tools
they
make
available,
I'm
happy
to
help,
but
I
don't
want
to
repeat
my
errors,
all
right,
I'm
going
to
put
that
down
as
an
action
item
for
myself
set
up
google
ads.
You
know.
I
agree
with
all
your
comments.
Jeremy.
We
need
to
advertise.
We
need
to
promote
of
my
little
short
punch
list
there.
A
A
I
love
the
idea.
I
mean
the
trick
there
is
we
need
somebody
needs
to
design
these
things
right,
because
each
different
breed
of
animal
and
even
different
sizes
of
breed
are
going
to
need
a
different
device,
and
most
of
our
volunteers
are
looking
to
just
download
the
files
and
scale
and
print,
but
they
need
to
have
the
design
first.
There
are
a
number
of
devices
on
thingiverse
already
right.
You
know
it's
a
lot
of,
it
seems
to
be.
A
A
I
thought
she
unmuted
for
a
minute:
okay
get
back
to
the
music,
but
if,
if
bob
wants
to
continue
I'll
go
after
him,
no
no
I'm
finished
just
so
a
couple
of
things
that
we
we
do,
because
sometimes
the
scouts
can
surprise
you
and
and
or
a
classroom
can
surprise
you
in
gift
hands.
You
weren't
expecting
that
we
used
them
for
for
outreach,
because
we
really
tried
to
make
sure
that
that
every
hand
had
a
purpose.
A
So,
for
instance,
at
one
of
the
exams
for
the
american
society
of
hand
therapists
here
in
baltimore,
I
put
together
bags
for
everybody
that
was
taking
the
the
exams
here
and
one
year
I
went
to
all
the
boot
camps
and
gave
them
a
package
that
explained
what
enable
is
gave
them.
A
Another
thing
was
that
that
I
periodically
will
send
things
to
vas,
and
then
I
tried
to
get
three
hands
to
every
state
for
people
to
be
able
to
to
use
those
as
kits
so.
There
are
ways
for
us
to
be
able
to
utilize
hands
that
are
generic.
You
know
you
could
end
up
having
a
lot
of
these
in
the
in
the
process
of
what
you're
doing.
A
That's
an
important
point.
Actually,
I'm
thinking
that
that
ties
back
to
bob's
earlier
point
that
you
know
let's
reach
out
to
hospitals
and
ngo
refugee
organizations
and
non-for-profit
groups
well
what
if,
instead
of
just
reaching
out
to
them,
what
if
we
sent
them
a
hand
to
say,
hey,
here's,
the
kind
of
thing
that
we
can
make
for
you
that
might
help
to
get
their
attention
right
and
then
that
you'll
have
to
to
make
sure
that
there's
somebody
there
that's
willing
to
keep
it.
A
You
know
maintain
that,
for
instance,
in
new
york
we
call
them
handbags.
So
the
the
the
person
who's
in
in
charge
of
the
handbag
at
parsons
is
the
one
that
I'll
send
up
the
street
when
somebody
wants
to
see
one.
But
she
makes
sure
that
it
continues
to
look
good
over
time.
It
doesn't
look
like
a
science,
fair
experiment
and
that's
an
important
aspect
of
of
you
know
having
this
be
a
good
presentation
for
a
representation
of
our
group.
A
The
other
thing
I
was
going
to
say,
and
just
really
quickly,
is
that
giving
more
than
one
hand
will
make
parents
less
inclined
to
to
say
that
you
could
don't
use
your
hand
now,
because
we're
going
to
be
going
out
later
kind
of
thing
or
to
have
one
that
gets
cleaned
up.
While
you
know
very
young
kids
and
I
could
get
the
messed
up,
you
know
having
one
that
that
you
end
up
slipping
on
at
lunchtime
kind
of
thing,
so
that
was
during
the
summer
camp.
A
I
noticed
that
that
was
a
useful
thing
to
be
able
to
give
a
give
a
family
more
than
one
was
useful,
yep,
okay,
good
idea.
You
know,
I
think,
that
the
idea
of
putting
together
a
kit
analogous
to
your
education
kit,
yep
that
includes
several
different
quality
high
quality,
enabled
devices
as
well
as
fact
sheets
and
background
material.
That
would
do
the
job
and
then
sending
them
to
every
hospital
with
the
prosthetic
right
departments
and
the
other
types
of
entities.
Bob
mentioned
ngo
refugee
organizations.
A
A
That's
a
nice
idea,
john,
a
separate
version
of
the
kit.
You
know,
because
it's
not
geared
towards
you
know
starting
to
make
these
devices,
but
it's
more
of
a
well
right.
It's
a
it's
a
marketing
package
with
something
that
is
likely
to
sit
out
in
the
open
where
it
will
be
seen
by
patients
who
will
ask
questions.
You
know
the
professionals
are,
as
we
know,
mostly
ambivalent,
about
these
machines,
these
devices,
but
I
think,
there's
increasing
receptivity
based
on
this
conference.
A
I
was
at
yesterday
to
the
notion
that
you
know
covet
has
shown
that
has
made
it
clear
that
you
cannot
expect
the
medical
industrial
establishment
to
cover
all
possible
cases,
and
this
is
one
of
those
cases
so
and
having
worked
with
a
a
prosthetic,
a
prosthetist
here
in
chicago,
I
can
tell
you
from
my
experience
that
when
they
have
the
opportunity
to
see
and
hold
one
of
these
devices
and
to
manipulate
it
in
their
own
hands,
it
really
hits
home.
It
impresses
them
in
a
way
that
just
hearing
about
it
isn't
gonna
do
so.
A
My
question
is:
do
we
have
a
legal
liability
if,
as
a
non-medical
people
to
be
pushing
these
into
health
care,
I
don't
think
it
changes
anything
we're
not
selling
them.
All
we're
doing
is
saying,
hey,
here's
something
that
we
as
a
group
of
volunteers
are
making.
If
anything,
I
would
say
it
lowers
our
liability
because
it
would,
it
would
be
done
through
a
medical
professional
if
they
decided
to
take
advantage
of
this
for
their
patients.
They'd
be
the
ones
doing
the
fitting
they'd,
be
the
ones
ensuring
that
it's
it's
properly.
A
You
know
working
and
fitting,
etc.
So
yeah
that's
exactly
right
and
that
that's
what
the
you
know,
for
instance
the
scouts
when
we
set
that
program
up
you're,
always
gifting
to
the
medical
volunteer,
you're,
not
gifting,
to
the
individual,
and
then
the
the
metric
of
success
for
the
people
who
are
making
and
the
person
that
they
are
bound
to
emotionally
is
is
the
medical
volunteer?
It's
not
the
recipient,
and
then
the
relationship
between
the
medical
volunteer
and
the
recipient
is
pure,
that's
right,
and
that
could
be
the.
A
That
would
be
the
nature
of
to
john's
point.
If
we
put
together
a
kit,
these
kind
of
marketing
materials
would
make
that
clear.
Think
of
our
volunteer
community
as
a
free
production
mechanism
for
your
work.
We
can
make
these
for
you
and
you
would
then
handle
you
know
fitting
and
follow-up,
and
all
of
that
good
stuff.
You
know
I
would
frame
it.
I
would
frame
it
a
little
bit
differently
even
to
address
this
issue.
I
would
say
you
know
many
of
you
will
have
heard
about
enable
and
these
devices.
A
Our
experience
from
our
particular
perspective,
is
that
these
are
much
appreciated
and
helpful
in
a
variety
of
circumstances,
but
you're
the
experts
and
you
have
access,
or
rather
you
are
exposed
to
more
people
who
need
prosthetics
than
we
are.
So
we
wanted
to
make
sure
that
you
had
one
of
these
available.
A
We
want
to
address
issues
that
we
know
have
been
of
concern
to
prosthetists.
We
would
like
your
feedback
yeah
well
in
another.
That's
one
part
of
it,
john.
The
other
part
of
it
is
that
we
have
found
that
these
devices
are
most
effective
when
they
are
properly
customized
and
adapted
to
the
end
user,
which
the
prosthetists
are
best
positioned
to
do.
You
know
when
I
work
with
this
guy
in
chicago.
A
They
are
well
equipped
and
have
the
materials
to
do
that
in
ways
that
our
volunteers
can't-
and
you
know,
another
scenario
to
to
call
out
is
the:
what
do
we
used
to
call
it?
The
stop
gap
prosthetic
someone
who's
in
the
va?
It
takes
them
six
to
12
months
to
get
the
high
end
prosthetic
arm
to
the
to
the
veteran
and
for
the
six
to
twelve
months.
They
have
zero,
nothing
zilch.
A
Well,
that's
the
same
thing.
That's
the
same
thing
I
hear
from
prosthetists
here
this
again,
this
guy
that
I
work
with
in
chicago
is
explaining
that
going
through
the
insurance
companies.
That
process
can
take.
You
know
up
to
a
year
in
some
cases
so
having
something
in
the
meanwhile,
you
know
can
be
very
helpful,
so
we're
really
talking
about
a
prosthetist's
education
kit,
that's
right
exactly
yeah
and
that
creates
a
whole
new
channel
of
distribution
for
us,
which
probably
is
a
better
channel
than
going
direct
to
the
recipient.
A
That's
right,
I
think,
yeah
right.
Yes,
this
is
exactly
what
we
do
and
and
then
make
sure
that
you
have
that
as
a
chinese
wall
as
well.
I
think
it's
going
to
help
your
relationship
with
with
groups
that
are
are
concerned
about
the
litigious
nature
of
some
of
the
recipients,
make
sure
that
you're
giving
to
the
medical
volunteer.
You
have
that
layer
of
expertise
as
well
and
you'll
find
that
nurses
are
wonderful
advocates.
This
is
exactly
what
we
do.
A
I
think
the
other
side
of
this
that
we
need
to
think
about
is
we
need
to
make
it
easier
for
those
prosthetists
to
then
engage
with
the
enable
community
if
they
decide
that
they
want
to
take
advantage
of
this,
and
they
have
some
patience
that
they
want
to
try
this
out.
For
you
know,
I
don't
know
that
it's
realistic
to
expect
a
prosthetist
to
go
and
create
an
account
on
enable
web
central
and
go.
A
I
think
they
need
to
have
a
liaison
where
they
can
say,
hey,
here's
what
I
need
and
we
kind
of
facilitate
it
and
connect
them
with
volunteers,
and
I
I
think
we
need
to
think
about
how
to
make
it
easy
for
them
to
work
with
us.
There's
going
to
be
a
reality
here
that
not
every
volunteer
is
capable
of
making
a
quality
part,
so
the
danger
is
going
to
be.
The
prosthetist
is
expecting
something
we
connect
to
a
volunteer
and
you
get
a
piece
of
garbage
yeah.
There's
a
quality
control
function.
A
There's
a
I
mean
it's
that's
true,
so
this
is
an
exciting
and
ambitious
and
ambitious
project
to
try
to
develop
all
of
these
materials
frame
them
appropriately,
build
up
the
inventory
of
high
quality
devices,
figure
out
how
to
dispatch
them
every
place
and
and
to
bob's
point,
maybe
not
trying
to
extend
this
to
the
whole
volunteer
community,
but
starting
to
work
on
establishing
a
smaller
group
of,
I
don't
know,
call
them
elite.
Volunteers,
yeah.
A
We
have
that
we've
verified,
they
really
know
how
to
make
good
quality
stuff,
and
those
are
the
that's
the
group
that
we
go
to
when
we
have
needs
coming
in
from
prosthetists,
and
then
you
have
a
training
program
and
a
certification
program
to
be
part
of
that
group.
That's
right
and
a
badge.
I
mean
that
that
that
that's
right
but
okay,
so
we
like
the
idea.
This
is
so
weird,
I'm
not
sure
how
we
get
there
from
here.
What
was
that
maria
we're?
Definitely
all
working
on
the
same
thing.
This
is
totally
common
ground.
A
This
is
exactly
the
way
the
enable
alliance
operates.
We
also
have
a
platform
for
small
collaborative
groups.
That's
hipaa
certified
it
has.
It
has
a
checks.
It
has
automated
surveys
that
go
out
to
make
sure
that
everybody
is
is,
is
taking
a
covid
survey
before
there's
an
encounter,
and
then
it
goes
again
for
two
weeks
following
so
that
we
have
resources
for
working
with
people.
A
This
is
exactly
we
talked
about
enable
town
last
year
that
that
professional
volunteers
need
additional
support
as
vulnerable
people
to
continue
to
operate
within
the
the
guidelines
or
the
restrictions
that
they
would
have
during
their
regular
work
day.
So
we,
where
we
have
a
lot
of
common
ground
here
now
to
to
offer
additional
resources
and
and
a
good
kid
I
have.
I
have
no
doubt,
there's
a
lot
of
common
ground
we
went
into
this
before,
but
I
I
can't
help
but
feeling
maria
like
we
really
don't
have
very
good
visibility
into.
A
You
know
your
processes
and
what
you're
doing
I
I
I
would
love
to
have
better
visibility
into
the
mechanisms
and
the
procedures
and
the
standards
and
things
that
you're
using,
so
that
we
could
be
leveraging
those.
You
know.
I
don't
know
if
that's
on
your
you
know,
if
it's
on
your
website
or
if
there's
a
place
where
we
could
get
more
familiar
with
how
you're
handling
some
of
these
things.
A
I
think
that
earlier
I
especially
early
in
the
days
of
the
community,
there
was
so
much
noise
on
in
the
on,
for
instance,
in
the
in
the
google
community
that
that
this
was
that
that
this
is
why
they,
there
wasn't
a
lot
of
presence
of
of
the
the
professionals
in
that
space
and
also
the
the
the
time.
So
definitely,
let's
make
sure
that
moving
forward
that
now
that
nothing,
now
that
what
we're
building
is
is
definitely
converging.
A
We
should.
We
should
do
that,
and-
and
I
I
very
much
like
everything
that
I've
heard
here,
because
how
the
idea
of
gifting
to
the
medical
volunteer
has
been
so
important
to
us
over
the
past
few
years,
and
I
and
the
the
kids
that
we've
made
follow
up
on
including
people
in
that
the
the
level
of
volunteer
that
you
want
to
making
those
devices.
A
I,
like
all
of
this,
the
other
thing
that
I
would
say
is
that
in
in
giving
out
kits
and
and
following
up
for
one
of
the
kits
that
I
gave
to
the
person
in
charge
of
medical
devices
for
doctors
without
borders,
that,
on
my
my
second
and
third
visit,
I
found
that
he
was
circulating
it
in
the
office
and
that
he
was
also
showing
it
to
people
who
were
visiting.
A
So
those
kits
are
are
going
to
resonate
with
with
more
people
than
than
you
know,
and
so
just
making
sure
that
there's
an
ally
there,
that's
maintaining
the
kit
or
that
you
swap
devices
out
rather
than
reinventing
the
wheel.
Perhaps
it
would
be
very
useful
if
you
sent
a
kit
to
jeremy
yeah,
I'd
love
to
see
the
kits
that
you
send
out
whether
it's
sending
me
one
physically
or
at
least
sharing
with
us
a
list
of
the
components
that
go
into
your
kits.
The
the
documents
that
you're,
including
anything.
A
But
I
mean
just
somehow
to
let
us
know
what
you're
putting
into
a
kit
it
would
like.
Like
bob
said
it
would
save
us
from
having
to
recreate
the
wheel
here.
So
it
sounds
like
you
have
a
playbook
for
this
program,
maria,
but
I
do
want
to
reinforce
that.
We
we
keep
hearing
about
these
wonderful
things
that
you
do,
but
it's
very
hard
for
us
to
figure
out
what
exactly
you're
you're
describing
I
understand
so
there's
you
want
to
send
you
want
to
send
one
to
me
good
for
us
to
to
to.
A
I
think
it's
good
for
us
now
that
the
the
what
the
activities
are
and
the
interests
are
and
and
also
the
the
practices
are
going
to
be
converging.
It
makes
sense.
There's
something
called
the
vetted
volunteers
program,
I'm
going
to
be
presenting
it
next
sunday.
A
A
So
I
might
shift
your
time,
but
that
vetted
volunteers
program
would
be
the
perfect
place
for
us
to
expose
all
of
that,
in
conjunction
with
the
background
check
program
that
we
have
okay.
Well,
I
think
the
easiest
way
to
save
us
a
lot
of
time
and
energy
and
avoid
you
know
recreating
the
wheel
would
be
for
you
to
actually
send
one
of
these
kits
to
me
is
that
a
possibility,
maria.
A
Yeah,
I
can
do
that,
I'm
happy
to
do
both.
I
mean
you
can
see
it
at
the
conference
and,
if
I
can,
I
it
can
do
that
after
the
conference.
I'm
happy
to
send
you
the
one
that
I'm
presenting
with
is
that
okay,
okay,
okay
cool
all
right
on,
we
go
other
thoughts
on
this,
or
should
we
move
on
to
the
next
topic?
A
A
Good
okay,
I
would
say
also
that
this
is
a
great
conversation
we
could
continue
offline.
It
doesn't
just
have
to
be
at
spc,
okay,
okay,
so
the
next
topic
I've
got
here
is
this
proposed
program
we
talked
about
with
johnson
johnson.
I
actually
had
another
call
with
him
this
morning.
A
I
I
followed
up
with
him
after
our
last
meeting,
and
I
talked
to
him
about
our
idea
that
we
had
regarding
these
kits
for
schools,
and
we
thought
that
maybe
it
would
be
a
good
idea
to
include
not
only
five
assembly
materials
kits,
but
five
sets
of
printed
parts,
so
they
could
make
their
first
set
of
hands
well,
we
were
hoping
to
when
we
start
doing
these
kits.
I
was
thinking
of
an
initial
quantity
of
about
100
kits
and
then
doing
them
in
batches
of
a
hundred.
A
I
think
there's
enough
demand
out
there
for
that,
and
I
don't
want
to
have
to
keep
you
know
making
them
day
after
day.
I
want
to
have
enough
on
hand.
We
have
some
stock,
so
I
was
thinking
of
doing
about
100
at
a
time.
Well,
if
we
did
that,
and
we
tried
to
take
advantage
of
having
printed
parts
in
the
kits,
that
would
mean
500
sets
of
parts
and
and
he
felt
that
might
be
a
little
bit.
A
You
know
aggressive
he's
thinking
about
doing
a
hundred
sets
of
parts
for
his
first
round,
which
would
be
enough
for
20
kits.
But
what
what
occurred
to
me
is
a
lot
of
these
schools.
Perhaps
even
the
majority
here
in
the
us
have
3d
printers.
So
what
probably
makes
sense
is:
let's
offer
two
different
flavors
of
the
kit,
one
that
includes
the
printed
parts
and
one
that
doesn't
if
a
school
already
has
a
3d
printer,
they
might
be
very
happy
to
print
their
own
parts.
A
All
they
need
is
the
rest
of
it,
the
assembly
materials
and
the
files
and
instructions
and
all
the
other
stuff
that
goes
into
the
kit.
If
the
school
you
know
wants
to
have
the
printed
parts
included,
they
can
pay
a
little
extra.
They
can
get
the
version
with
those
parts
and
that
way
we
don't
have
to
have
those
printed
parts
in
all
of
the
kits.
A
The
other
thing
that
I
pointed
out
to
bob
is:
he
doesn't
need
to
be
the
only
one
producing
these
parts.
We've
actually
had
very
good
results
in
reaching
our
volunteer
community
and
saying
hey.
We
need
help
printing
parts.
So
if
we
want
to
do
these
kits
and
if
we
want
to
include
printed
parts,
we
could
put
a
call
out
to
the
community
to
say
anybody
who
wants
to
print
parts,
stick
them
in
a
bag
unassembled
and
send
them
to
me.
You
know
we
can
include
these
in
these
kits
to
help
get
schools
enabled.
A
A
That's
great
a
couple
of
notes
on
that.
One
is,
I
think
that,
even
if
they
do
not
want
extra
hands,
one
example
of
of
a
quality
assembled
hand
would
will
really
facilitate
their
own
printing
and
assembling.
Oh,
I
don't
think.
That's
a
question
john.
I
I
plan
on
every
kit
having
a
fully
assembled
hand,
the
only
question.
Okay,
that
would
also
include
printed
parts.
A
I
think
we
came
on
this
idea
in
some
ways
as
a
way
of
thinking
about
how
to
make
use
of
devices
that
we
already
have.
So
as
this
is
shaping
up,
we
want
to
be
careful
not
to
stimulate
a
new
round
of
printing
if
we
have
in
fact
a
solution
to
making
use
of
printing.
That's
already
done
if
you're
breaking
down
old
hands
use
the
fingers,
that's
what
we
do
also.
A
Sometimes,
when
people
are
building
hands,
they
tend
to
snap
the
gauntlets,
sometimes
that
if
you
have,
if
you
have
partial
hands
or
you're
trying
or
you
get
hands
that
need
to
be
repaired,
sometimes
what
you
could
do,
for
instance,
what
peter
byron
does
in
canada.
A
What
sarah
heights
done
with
different
heroes
is
that
they'll
have
fingers
that
people
will
assemble
and
keep
sometimes,
especially
with
really
small
kids
who
build
a
hand
for
someone
else,
letting
go
of
that
hand
when
it's
over
is
a
little
hard,
but
if
they
build
a
piece
and
then
they
they
put
the
key
ring
on
the
end
through
the
loop,
where
it
would
have
attached
to
the
palm.
They
have
a
little
bit
of
something
to
take
home,
to
explain
what
they
did
and
that's
also
really
good
walk
up
activity.
A
I
know
that
peter
binkley
used
to
print
out
a
whole
lot
of
extra
fingers
and
and
have
split
rings
for
walk-up
tables,
where
we
would
do
you
know
like
a
a
maker
faire
or
something
and
people
would
would
do
those
extra
fingers
and
that's
and
then
the
other
thing
that's
nice
about
having
some
extra
fingers
is
also
especially
for
the
thumbs
when
they
break
it's
a
quick
repair.
A
So
that's
so
sometimes
even
putting
them
in
the
hand
that
you're
giving
away
as
a
part
of
the
spare
parts
kit
is
useful,
so
people
print
those
is
a
it's
a
and
it's
an
extra
use
that
they
seem
to
be
building
up
so
anyway,
we'll
we
can
revisit
that
next
week.
I
hear
you
john.
We
don't
want
to
have
another,
you
know
surplus
in
in
production,
but
I
I
do
think
these
dovetail.
You
know
nicely
with
we're
talking
about
on
the
on
the
pr
side.
A
We
might
have
a
need
for
more
devices
anyway
through
that,
and
if
we,
if
we
do
the
starter
kits
for
schools,
that's
that's
gonna.
You
know
put
them
to
use
so,
but
we'll
keep
that
in
mind
and
try
to
make
sure
these
these
needs
and
and
things
sync
up,
but
I
think
we
should
move
on
I'll
report
back
next
week.
After
he's
had
his
meeting
and
we'll
see
where
this
stands,
you
know
things
that
johnson
johnson
move
very
slowly.
It's
a
huge
organization,
so
this
is
not
going
to
happen
overnight
anyway.
A
This
is
probably
a
next
year
initiative
that
we're
talking
about,
but
I
want
to
move
on
because
we're
running
short
on
time
enable
con
is
the
next
topic.
So
I
want
to
let
maria
give
us
any
updates,
but
maria
we
got
to
try
to
keep.
This
short
is
we're
almost
at
the
top
of
the
hour
here,
so
anything
new
to
report
that
did
see
john.
If
I
can
move
your
talk
to
starting
at
three
o'clock
instead
and
move
the
the
shorter
form
stuff
to
the
to
the
beginning.
A
I
I
just
wanted
to
ask
if
I
could
do
that.
I'm
just
making
a
couple
of
shifts
here
and
there
you're
talking
about
my
talk
approximately
a
week
from
now
correct
sunday,
the
25th-
that's
fine,
but
send
me
whatever
you
know
the
unambiguous
communication
that
will
get
it
on
my
calendar.
A
This
will
all
be
going
out
by
one
or
one
thirty
and
then
right
now.
The
the
link
for
tomorrow
is
open
and
people
have
been
dropping
in
and
checking
their
their
presentations.
A
So
most
people
have
have
not
opted
to
do
that,
but
but
but
that
link
is
available
right
now,
so
I'll
I'll
send
the
the
confirmations
right
after
we
finish
this
meeting
great
all
right
maria.
I
I
sent
you
my
presentation,
I
didn't
send
you
my
five
minute.
A
You
know
warm
up
thing
for
tomorrow,
which
I
assume
I
will
just
do
live
yes,
okay,
yeah,
it
looked
like
you
were
just
introducing
the
ideas
and
saying
perfect
all
right,
guys,
I'm
gonna
wrap
up
here
and
stop
the
recording.
Hang
with
me,
though
folks.
So
I
have
a
couple
of
notes
to
go
over
so
hold
on.