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From YouTube: Weekly e-NABLE Town Hall Meeting - May 26, 2023
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This is a recording of the weekly e-NABLE Town Hall meeting.
The notes/agenda document can be found here: https://bit.ly/e-nable-town-hall-notes
If you want to join into the meeting itself, you are welcome to do so. You'll find the Zoom link in the events calendar on the Hub.
A
Okay,
we're
live
so
welcome
back
everyone
to
another
town
hall
and,
let's
see
I'll
share
my
screen
so
that
we
get
some
notes
up
here
and
we'll
get
started.
B
So
this
and
answer
your
question
this.
B
Records
and
true
summarizes
the
meeting
and.
A
B
Great
job
I'll
send
you
the
the
content,
I
recommend
the
service
and
it's
free.
A
Yeah
send
me
a
link
I'd
like
to
check
it
out.
I've
tried
some
of
those
before
I
haven't
found
one
I
really
liked.
But
if
you
like
this
one
send
it
to
me.
B
A
B
As
I
have
reported,
we're
now
taking
a
new
set
of
bylaws
to
the
attorney,
and
then
we
will
turn
to
the
discussion
of
whether
that
those
new
bylos
should
be
offered
to
our
existing
non-profit
or
whether
we
will
create
a
new
one
and
in
which
case
I'll
write
a
different
description
for
enable.
But
for
enable
very
good.
A
All
right
so
as
a
reminder,
I
am
out
all
next
week
without
any
kind
of
connectivity,
I'm
going
to
be
completely
offline
for
the
week.
Just
me
in
the
woods.
So
do
you
do
somebody
else
want
to
run
a
town
hall,
or
do
we
just
want
to
skip
a
week.
A
Let's
just
do
that,
then,
unless
anybody
else
is
opposed,
which
I'm
not
hearing?
Okay,
let's
just
skip
the
week
I-
will
try
to
remember
to
put
a
note
in
the
hub.
I
would
have
asked
Sarah
to
help
me
with
that.
But
I
will
try
to
to
remember
to
put
something
in
fact,
I
think
I
already
did
on
the
calendar
for
next
week.
A
I
think
I
already
put
a
note
there
saying
that
it's
going
to
be
skipped,
so
hopefully
people
will
find
that
and
we
will
regroup
the
week
after
our
fund
balance
hasn't
changed
and
that's
going
to
be
relevant
to
today's
conversation.
So
we're
currently
standing
at
36
843
dollars
and
we
don't
have
posts
from
The
Hub
this
week,
something
Sarah
usually
handles.
She
had
something
come
up
of.
Summer.
B
Let
me
see
what
she
said
was
there
was
one
new
post
this
week,
I
updated
the
workflowing
notes
with
it.
Oh.
A
A
Yeah-
let's
just
skip
it
for
this
week,
okay,
so
our
next
meeting
coming
up
is
today
the
bionic
design
meeting
right
after
this
one
I'm
going
to
be
helping
to
get
that
one
going
since
Sarah's
not
available,
but
I
won't
be
able
to
stay,
but
I'll
help
them
get
the
zoom
session
going.
That's
going
to
be.
B
A
Yeah,
just
following
this
meeting
as
far
as
I
know,
vivec
is
going
to
be
there.
So
I
think
he
can
run
it
it's
just.
He
doesn't
have
the
the
setup
to
get
the
zoom
live.
You
know
the.
A
Can
do
that?
It
just
means
jumping
in
for
the
first
couple
of
minutes
and
then
I
can
leave
it
to
him,
but
thanks
for
the
offer
I
don't
think
there
are
any
other
meetings
to
look
at.
Let's
just
check
I
mean
we
are
the
26th,
so
I
think
that's
our
last
one,
probably
yep.
That's
the
last
one
of
them
these
so
we'll
get
into
June
meetings
next
time,
all
right.
So
the
main
topic
of
today
is
to
review
the
proposal
that
Adam
and
his
partner
Jason
put
together.
C
A
Right
so
so,
Adam
and
Jason
put
together
a
very
nice
proposal
for
us
and
I
thought.
We
could
use
our
time
today
to
review
this
together.
I
did
put
in
here
a
summary
for
those
that
are
short
on
time.
I
just
I
just
fed
the
PDF
to
chat
GPT
and
let
it
summarize
it
for
us
so
so
there
there
is
a
summary
in
here,
but
I
would
like.
If
would,
if
I
pull
up
the
actual
proposal
itself,
will
you
kind
of
walk
us
through
Section
by
section
Adam.
C
Sure,
absolutely
yeah,
that's
fine
and
I
I
want
to
say
I
I
apolog
Jason,
since
his
regards
he
wanted
to
join
today
on
the
possibility
of
this.
This
topic
coming
up,
he's
actually
on
a
plane
right
now
and
wasn't
able
to
attend
he's
currently.
A
A
So
so
I
think
the
first
page
is
mostly
introductory,
but
anything
to
summarize
there.
C
Let
me
just
kind
of
explain,
because
I
I
think
that
there
is
the
potential
for
confusion
about
you,
know
my
role
and
as
it
butts
up
against
this,
this
Venture
that
that
I'm
engaged
in
so
about
six
months
ago,
I
approached
my
now
business
partner,
Jason
timson,
with
an
idea
to
explore
a
kind
of
Niche
opportunity
for
management,
consulting
specifically
for
firms
that
either
work
in
a
non-profit
space
or
otherwise
have
a
more
humanitarian
bent.
C
You
know
somewhere
wrapped
into
their
mission
or
vision
statements
that
a
portion
of
their
energy
is
devoted
to
you
know
generally
the
betterment
of
the
the
environment
to
society
to
Criminal
Justice
Reform.
You
know
some
some
way
of
attempting
to
assist
organizations
and
networks
who
are
frequently
cash
strapped
by
making
their
processes
more
efficient
and
improving
their
internal
communication
and
external
attempts
at
raising
funds
and
acquiring
during
grants.
C
So
this
is
something
that
is
I,
think
sort
of
a
Confluence
of
what
I've
been
working
toward
for
the
better
part
of
the
last
decade.
In
terms
of
leveraging
this
network
that
I've
been
building
applying
skills,
that
I've
been
coupling
together
kind
of
piecemeal
and
there
really
isn't
a
a
service
out
there,
at
least
not
at
the
the
level
that
we're
exploring
the
sort
of
Boutique
level
that
cater
specifically
to
a
non-profit
organizations
and
smaller
companies
with
that
humanitarian
Focus.
C
So
that's
where
wild
mom
came
from,
we
we
wanted
to
find
a
way
that
we
could
apply
change
management
and
organizational
design
techniques
and
combine
that
with
the
managerial
and
Leadership
training
skill
that
Jason
brings
to
the
table,
along
with
his
sort
of
outward
facing
networking
capability
that
he's
been
honing
in
his
sales
roles
for
the
last
seven
or
eight
years
or
so,
and
I
think
that
we've
got
a
pretty
strong
Network
now
and
we
have
just
started
signing
a
couple
of
clients.
C
C
But
our
first
couple
of
contracts
have
been
going
really
really
well
we're
very
excited
about
this.
Turning
into
what
our
life
focus
is
kind
of
about
and
to
that
end,
I,
John,
Jeremy
and
others
at
town
halls
for
the
last
well,
really
for
most
of
the
time
that
I've
been
attached
to
enable
have
been
identifying
a
number
of
gaps
and
opportunities
to
improve,
enables
internal
organization
and
communication,
their
specific
Project
work
that
I
can
go
into
in
just
a
little
bit.
C
That
is
outlined
to
the
proposal
here,
and
there
is
a
lot
of
opportunity
to
significantly
increase
our
bank,
because
we
are
I
know
that
we're
dependent
upon
a
small
number
of
reliable
donors,
but
I
think
by
turning
toward
some
more
modern
public,
fundraising
opportunities
and
looking
at
targeted
grants
through
a
couple
of
organizations,
both
National
and
private.
C
That
I
I
think
could
be
a
great
benefit
to
enable
and
align
with
our
Focus
I.
Think
that
we
have
a
lot
of
potential
to
expand
our
reach
and
kind
of
drive
home.
A
lot
of
these
things
that
have
been
sort
of
swirling
in
these
Town
Hall
discussions
for
the
better
part
of
the
last
year.
C
C
Have
you
know,
given
my
role
here,
I
have
some
insight
more
insight
than
his
usual
about
how
this
organization
works,
and
we
can
talk
a
little
bit
about
the
pricing
structure
that
I
put
together,
but
I
just
want
to
say
the
onset
that,
because
enable
would
be
a
very
strategic
partner
and
because
I've
got
a
personal
stake
here
we
have
a
We've
offered
a
very
steep
discount
to
the
the
hourly
rate
that
we're
looking
at
for
wild
month.
A
So
before
we
get
into
the
details
here,
I
just
want
to
add
a
couple
of
comments
to
what
you
just
said
sure,
because
I
I'm
I'm,
hoping
that
one
of
the
things
that
we'll
talk
about
here
is
the
next
step
is
we
are
going
to
have
to
write
something
up
for
lumio
to
allow
the
community
to
kind
of
vote
on
how
to
proceed
and
I.
Think
sharing.
This
very
recording
would
be
a
very
good
part
of
that
proposal.
A
A
These
are
things
that
we've
been
trying
to
figure
out
how
to
do
for
a
while,
of
course-
and
these
are
things
that
we've
had
multiple
people
sort
of
come
in
and
say,
yeah
I
think
I
can
help
with
that
and
I
think
what
we've
learned
over
the
years
is
that
it's
probably
just
not
realistic,
to
expect
volunteers
to
really
be
able
to
adequately
cover
some
of
the
things
that
we're
going
to
be
talking
about
here
and
that's
that's
kind
of
what
brought
us
to
this
discussion
of
you
know,
maybe
it's
time
to
think
about
more
of
a
formal
kind
of
a
a
partnership
with
a
an
actual.
A
A
A
C
So
you
know
we
We
spelled
out
generally
what
our
process
is
for
approaching
any
initial
engagement.
We,
we
call
our
you'll
notice,
there's
a
lot
of
Mountain
motifs
spread
throughout
our
branding.
So
forgive
me
if
it
gets
a
little
bit
schlocky,
but
I
will
tell
you
that
we
landed
on
the
name
wildmond,
it's
a
kind
of
a
portmanteau,
a
combination
of
my
two
sons,
middle
name.
So
my
sons
are
Jack,
Wilder
and
James
Beaumont.
C
So
we
took
while
they're
in
Beaumont
and
slapped
them
together
and
came
up
with
something
that
I
think
sounds
pretty
cool.
It
does
metaphor
yeah.
So
our
initial
data
collection
phase.
We
call
base
camp
and
I
like
the
imagery
there,
because
it's
this
idea
that
it
is
something
that
is
established
in
a
secure
location.
You
have
the
resources
that
you
need
all
in
one
place
and
you
can
always
return
to
it
before
setting
off
for
another
project
so
base
camp.
The
idea
behind
it
is
to
create
a
kind
of
knowledge
base.
C
So
I've
listed
here
in
this
table
a
number
of
the
the
possible
exercises
that
could
be
undertaken
during
a
base
camp
exercise,
and
this
includes
things
like
looking
at
the
hub's
site
analytics
seeing
how
many
visitors
you
know,
novel
visitors,
how
long
people
are
on
a
given
page,
what
parts
of
the
The
Hub
are
people
visiting.
C
It's
things
like
sending
out
surveys,
scheduling,
interviews
with
chapter
leaders
trying
to
get
a
sense
for
a
census
for
active
members
trying
to
get
a
better
sense
for
not
only
who's
active
on
the
Hub,
but
who's
making
use
of
our
devices.
C
So
I
know
that
this
has
come
up
a
couple
of
times,
but
I
think
there
are
a
lot
of
people
out
there,
and
this
is
great.
This
is
not
a
bad
thing.
I
think
there
are
a
lot
of
people
who
are
getting
designs
through
enabled
printing
them
for
individuals,
and
then
you
know
going
about
their
their
way,
having
helped
a
person,
but
we
don't
have
visibility
into
you
know
how
has
that
person
specifically
been
helped
in
under
what
circumstances
did
they
find
the
enable?
C
And
how
can
we
maybe
improve
things
down
the
line?
What
data
can
we
collect
from
their
post
device?
You
know
what
kind
of
functional
assessments
can
we
deliver
before
and
after
a
device
is
given
to
a
person
to
really
get
a
sense
for
what
good
these
devices
provide?
C
So
there's
quite
a
lot
that
I
think
and
I
want
to
Circle
back
Jeremy
to
what
you
said
a
moment
ago
about
how
you
all
have
have
tried
a
number
of
things
over
the
years.
I
really
don't
want
to
come
across
as
as
thinking
that
we
know
better
or
that
I
specifically
know
better
about
what
needs
to
be
done
to
improve,
enables
advocacy
and
impact.
C
What
I
think
is
that,
with
the
decentralized
network
like
this,
and
even
if
enable
had
like
you
know,
a
top-down
leadership
system,
I
think
that
it's
really
hard
to
ask
people
who
aren't
being
paid
to
dedicate
a
significant
chunk
of
time
consistently
week
after
week
after
week.
Oh.
A
C
Well,
I
mean
I
will
say
that
I,
you
know
through
the
the
grace
that
you
and
John
extended
to
me
and
the
the
trust
that
you
offered
in
in
giving
me
this
role.
I
think
I've
gained
a
great
deal
of
insight
about
how
enable
works
and
I
think
that
we
can
apply
our
methodology
to
enable
to
a
pretty
significant
effect.
C
Yeah
there's
one
thing
that
I
want
to
touch
on
before
I
get
too
much
further,
and
we
can
talk
a
little
bit
about
the
specific
projects
that
we're
going
to
be
exploring
in
more
detail
than
the
line.
But
top
of
mind
for
me
is
fundraising,
and
that
doesn't
mean
asking
community
members
for
money.
C
I
think
that
that's
an
option
and
if
that's
something
that
people
want
to
explore
or
if
it
seems
like
that's
not
going
to
turn
off
community
members
to
ask
people
for
funding
for
specific
Project
work,
then
that's
great,
but
really
I'm.
Looking
into
public
fundraising
sources,
searching
for
corporate
sponsors
and
then
maybe,
most
importantly,
looking
for
state
federal
and
private
Grant
programs
with
a
specific
project.
Focus
wild
month
is
very
well
positioned.
For
grant.
C
Writing
I've
got
a
fair
amount
of
experience
here
in
this
space,
and
I
can
I
can
say
that
John
you
can.
You
can
attest
to
this.
I
was
frantically
texting
John
a
week
ago
in
the
evening,
because
Jason
after
I,
let
him
know
that
it
looked
like
we
were
going
to.
We
were
given
the
green
light
to
submit
a
proposal
to
y'all.
C
He
immediately
found
a
grant
that
had
an
application
window
closing
of
on
Monday
of
this
week.
So
a
few
days
ago
it
closed.
C
We
really
hit
it
off
and
he
encouraged
me
to
stay
in
contact
for
future
possibilities
and
he
was
excited
to
learn
more
about
enable,
but
this
was
a
grant
for
940
000
that
really
neatly
aligned
with
enable
scope
and
purpose.
C
So
that
kind
of
thing
pops
up
here
and
there
and
I
think
having
a
dedicated
team,
who
is
just
always
on
the
lookout
for
it
and
and
ready
at
the
drop
of
a
hat,
to
submit
an
application
and
a
fight
to
get
those
funds.
I
think.
Could
you
know
more
than
paying
for
ourselves?
I
think
that
we
redouble
whatever
is
invested
in
US
many
times
over.
C
A
Order,
if
you
don't
mind
so
we.
A
C
C
The
through
line
across
all
of
these
issues
that
we
identify
you'll
notice
that
they
have
kind
of
a
negative
spin.
In
re-reading
this
proposal
I
wish
I
had
written
things
in
terms
of
opportunities
rather
than
you
know,
identifying
these
issues
I.
Just
don't
like
that
kind
of
language
and
I.
Think
I
could
have
benefited
this
by
giving
it
another
pass.
But
you
can
see
2.1
low
member
engagement,
I
think
that's
better
described
as
there
being
an
opportunity
to
better
incentivize
people
to
engage
on
a
couple
of
different
fronts
yeah.
C
Look
like
that's
taking
members
of
the
community
who
are
really
interested
in
finding
people
to
print
devices
is
for
and
turning
them
toward
community
outreach,
it's
turning
them
to
areas
in
their
local
community
and
giving
them
the
tools
that
they
need,
and
maybe
even
scripts
and
and
a
directory
of
resources
where
they
can
reach
out
and
see
if
they
can
identify
individuals
who
are
in
need
of
devices
beyond
that,
though,
and
Beyond
just
trying
to
get
people
in
the
community
to
do
more
on
the
logistics
and
Outreach
side,
it's
bringing
people
in
who
are
passionate
about
that
already.
C
There
are
high
school
organizations,
rotary
clubs,
whose
entire
purpose
of
being
is
giving
giving
students
opportunities
to
engage
in
helping
their
direct
surrounding
communities.
There
are
University
clubs,
there
are
private
companies,
all
of
whom
have
you
know
dedicated.
You
know,
non-profits
under
their
wing
Departments
of
people
who
are
interested
in
exploring
opportunities
for
charitable
activity
and
volunteer
work.
C
I
think
that
if
we
created
a
community
within
the
enable
that
was
dedicated
to
outreach
and
maybe
a
separate
one,
maybe
in
a
an
integrated
one,
that
was
a
dedicated
to
exploring
Logistics.
You
know
shipping
getting
devices
to
the
areas
in
the
world
where
they're
needed
I
think
that
we
could
see
enable
scope
or
impact
significantly
expand.
C
So
all
of
this
in
this,
this
engagement
section
really
just
speaks
to
that.
We've
got
lots
of
people
who
are
interested
in
making
devices.
There
are
fewer
people
who
are
really
interested
in
kind
of
you
know,
making
the
roads
and
systems
that
are
needed
to
get
the
devices
from
point
A
to
point
B
and
also
identifying
what
point
B
is,
and
all
of
those
are
things
that
I
believe
wildmont
is
very
well
positioned
to
provide.
C
This
is
just
a
continuation.
A
little
bit
finer
points
on
a
couple
of
these
things.
These
are
items
that
were
more
specifically
brought
up,
I
believe
in
the
last
Town
Hall
we
had,
but
we're
exploring.
We
when
I
say
we
I
mean
enable
we
have
started
the
the
ball
rolling
on
looking
at
a
project
management
system
for
all
in-flight
projects.
This
is
Trello.
C
C
We
could
be
a
little
bit
better
organized
about
tracking
what
needs
to
be
done
to
tie
the
knot
on
certain
activities
and
how
to
kick
things
from
phase
one
to
phase
two
and
so
on.
Our
badging
approval
team.
Obviously
Jeremy's
really
stretch
then
try
to
get
this
done
and
we
are
I
believe
I
use
the
term
swinging
from
Vine
Divine
last
time
around.
C
I
think
that
we
need
to
have
more
of
a
steady
support
system
and
a
network
of
people
who
are
empowered
to
approve
individuals
and
chapters
who
are
printing
certain
kinds
of
devices.
The
same
is
true
for
our
help
desk.
We
need
to
I
think
look
at
some
automated
tools
to
better
support
people
when
they
come
onto
the
site
when
they're
new
and
they
need
to
get
some
onboarding
information
to
direct
them
to
the
areas
where
they
need
to
be,
and
then
the
logistics
support
is
something
that
I've
already
spoken
to.
C
C
Already
spoke
to
this
a
bit
and
the
reason
I
jumped
ahead
to
it
is
because
I
really
don't
want
to
give
the
impression
that
we
want
to
you
know,
bleed
the
coffers
dry.
Really.
What
what
we're
doing
here
and
honestly
that
the
the
amount
that
we're
asking
for
is
largely
just
to
make
sure
that
operationally
we're
able
to
keep
moving
forward
and
we're
not
losing
the
time
that
we
have
to
see
our
other
clients
and
yada
yada.
C
C
So,
in
order
to
make
that
happen,
though,
we
need
to
bring
in
more
funding
now
that
can
come
in
a
couple
of
different
forms.
I've
spoken
already
a
bit
too
much,
probably
about
government
grant
opportunities,
corporate
sponsorships
public
fundraising.
This
is
something
that
Jason
was
particularly
excited
about
he's.
He
actually
is
very
experienced
with
streaming
with
social
media
campaigns
with
Tick
Tock
he's
very
he's.
Another
MBA
he's
I
didn't
really
talk
too
much
about
Jason
he's.
C
Actually,
a
nurse
by
training
who's
worked
in
healthcare
I.T
for
the
better
part
of
the
last
decade.
He
completed
his
MBA
with
an
interest
in
intrapreneurial,
ship
and
marketing,
and
he
is
very
good
at
this
kind
of
thing,
so
I
think
utilizing
him
for
this.
Specifically,
this
is
kind
of
going
to
be
his.
C
Maybe
if
we
decide
to
move
forward
with
Wild
Mountain
partnership,
but
he
has
a
lot
of
great
ideas
that
he's
ready
to
share
about
how
we
can
leverage
this
highly
visual
medium
of
3D
printing,
to
to
very
a
great
effect.
C
That's
right,
so
this
is
something
that
really
I
was
I,
was
kind
of
soft
launching,
with
my
presence
at
the
aota
last
month,
trying
to
see
how
that
can
be
done.
I
made
gosh
two
dozen
contacts
there
that
I've
been
in
communication
with
since
the
event
last
month,
and
there
are
from
that
one
event.
C
C
A
C
C
There
I
think
the
you
know
just
giving
enable
an
opportunity
to
showcase
the
work
of
our
community
to
show
the
devices
that
we're
creating
the
the
people
that
we're
helping
and
doing
it
in
a
formalized
space
that
I
mean
I
can
I
I
am
generally
not
fond
of
many
aspects
of
conferences.
C
I
think
that
there's
a
whole
lot
of
fluff
and
faff,
but
I
can
tell
you
the
names
of
about
20
people
that
I
met
there
and
I
I
am
pretty
certain
that
those
20
people
could
tell
you
my
name
too
and
I.
Think
that's
just
that
exposure
and
the
ability
to
to
to
connect
to
network
is
something
that
enable
has
not
done
in
recent
years
and
could
be
very
transformative.
C
I
will
also
say
that
one
of
the
groups
that
I
spoke
to
was
hanger
and
they
had
a
number
of
representatives.
There
talked
to
about
four
or
five
of
their
reps,
including
a
community
outreach
director,
and
we
had
a
very
productive
conversation.
They
were
very
impressed
by
the
devices
that
I
brought
that
were
supplied
by
a
couple
of
our
enabled
chapters.
C
They
commented
on
the
sturdiness,
the
utility
of
the
design,
that
it
was
very
cool
looking
and
it
was
you
know
it
was
not
at
all.
Standoffish
I
made
it
very
clear.
What
enables
position
is
in
the
American
Prosthetics
market
and
I
think
that
it
was
received
quite
well
I
think,
having
more
opportunities
for
that
attending
more
conferences,
attending
more
events
that
are
sponsored
by
groups
like
hanger,
like
I,
believe
it's
rezna,
like
some
other
of
these
Technology
Group,
National
and
state
level
conferences.
C
All
of
that
will
only
increase
our
our
brand
and
profile
and
I
keep
saying
brand
to
know
that
being
Naval
Ruby
doesn't
think
of
itself
in
that
way,
but
that's
likely
how
Wild
honestly
to
do
what
we
want
to
do
to
assist
people.
You
kind
of
have
to
get
into
that
icky
business
stuff
that
that.
B
Doesn't
happen,
I,
don't
think
we
have
a
problem
with
the
concept
of
brand.
We
have
a
strong
brand
actually,
but
it's
it's
been.
It
hasn't
been
leveraged.
That's.
C
And
so
so
that
that's
really
what
we
want
to
do.
We
want
to
better
leverage
that
brand,
because,
honestly,
to
again
be
kind
of
blunt
about
it,
I
think
the
concept
of
what
enable
does
sells
itself.
It's
not
difficult
to
convince
people
that
this
is
a
worthwhile
organization,
but
that
call
to
action
to
devote
resources
and
time
to
supporting
it.
That's
where
we
need
people
on
the
ground,
actually
communicating
that
that
message
physically
in
places
where
decision
makers
and
money
live
and
I.
A
I'd
actually
like
to
that's
how
it
works,
I'd
like
to
add
one
thing
to
that:
Adam,
because
you
touched
on
this
a
little
bit
above
where
you
you
talked
about
some
of
the
opportunities
for
improving
engagement
and
sure
it
was
up
here
where
talk
about
some
of
the.
Where
was
it
under
support
for
independent,
oh
down
here?
Where
you
talk
about
continuing
education
credits
and,
and
things
like
that,
I
just
want
to
call
attention
to
the
fact
that
something
that
we
haven't
really
focused
maybe
sufficiently
on,
is
that
you
know
everything.
A
That's
happened
with
enable
has
kind
of
grown,
very
organically
kind
of
by
itself.
John
and
I
are
continually
surprised
by
just
kind
of
how
things
kind
of
proceed
and
grow,
and
one
of
the
areas
that
has
had
the
most
astounding
growth
I
think
is
in
the
educational
Arena.
I
have
seen
so
many
schools
and
classrooms
that
have
embraced,
enable
and
brought
it
in
and
made
it
into
a
whole
program
of
engaging
their
students
in
meaningful
educational
activities
that
actually
connect
them
with
something.
A
That's
rewarding
that
helps
other
people
where
they
can
actually
see
an
impact
of
their
of
their
work
and
I.
Don't
think
we've
made
enough
of
that.
I
mean
I
feel
like
and
I'm.
Obviously
you
know
seeing
this
more
than
others
because
of
running
the
help
desk
and
all
that,
but
I
I
feel
like
we
as
a
community
have
really
had
an
impact
on.
You
know:
education
in
at
least
in
this
country
and
I
assume
it's
happening
elsewhere
too.
A
I
I,
just
I,
know
I
love
to
see
that
kind
of
sort
of
real,
meaningful
kind
of
I.
Don't
know
what
you
even
call
it,
but
practical
learning
you
know
oriented
towards
not
just
getting
out
of
a
textbook,
but
you
know
getting
involved
and
connected
with
real
people
and
doing
things
that
that
have
meaning
and
I.
For
me,
it's
just
been
really
rewarding
to
see
how
many
teachers
have
embraced
this
and
brought
this
into
their
programs
and
I.
A
C
Know,
I
I
think
that
that's
interesting
to
me
for
a
couple
of
reasons
top
of
mind.
I,
think
that
that
speaks
to
enables
inherent
value.
C
I,
think
it's
interesting
that
that
enable
has
kind
of
built
this
Niche
and
there
have
at
least
not
that
I've
found
there
are
no
competing
organizations
that
seem
that
that
have
a
similar
focus
with
the
same
kind
of
structure
that
enabled
us
and
I
think
that
that's
that's
that's
very
interesting
because
it
would
be
very
easily
replicated
in
terms
of
getting
it
started,
but
I
think
that
we
have
10
years
of
building
this
network
of
you
know
thousands
of
individuals
globally.
C
That
I
think
would
help
us
to
you
know
better
secure
this
brand
and
better
secure
our
position.
As
you
know
where
people
should
go
I
I
again,
I
don't
want
to
give
the
impression
that
you
know
enable
needs
to
protect
itself.
First
and
foremost,
I
think
that
really
what
all
of
this
kind
kind
of
circle
back
to
is
establishing
a
steady
architecture
to
better
support
and
impact
the
people
that
we're
attempting
to
serve
right.
Yeah.
C
C
So
you
know
enable
provides
materials,
people
take
those
materials
and
they
build
up
their
their
systems.
They
build
up.
You
know
their
their
stem
programs,
their
their
maker
spaces,
but
we
don't
have
a
whole
lot.
I
think
that
that's
sort
of
in
the
the
swirling
Network
there
there's
the
the
benefit
of
active
participation
in
communication
between
individuals,
but
I.
Don't
think
that
enable
as
a
network
benefits
from
that
currently
because
we're
not
really
taking
their
Lessons
Learned.
B
C
A
It
I
think
it's
a
generous
offer
so.
C
Well,
Walmart,
really
we're
looking
at
this
as
a
a
mutually
beneficial
partnership.
C
The
the
details
are
are
spelled
out
with
the
finer
Point
hearing
this
proposal
generally,
on
average,
we
charge
between
about
150
to
175
per
hour
for
the
kind
of
base
camp
reach
impact
exercises
that
I've
been
describing
here,
but
we're
looking
at
I
think
it
was
a
70
discount
of
that
rate.
Looking
at
a
retainer
program
and
I
want
to
say
it.
C
So
1980
I
think
would
be
the
flat
retainer
fee
per
month
we're
looking
at
about
40
I
I,
guess
that
would
be
exactly
40
hours
dedicated
per
month.
I
can
tell
you
that
it's
going
to
be
more
than
that
when
it
comes
to
it,
but
we're
we're
not.
Obviously
we
have
a
a
pretty
detailed
tracking
system,
but
really
we
I.
We
wanted
this
to
be
a
sustainable
rate,
given
what
our
current
bank
is.
I
will
say
that
there
are
a
couple
of
caveats
here.
C
The
biggest
one
is
for
those
Grant
programs,
so
part
of
what
we
would
be
exploring
would
be
donation
and
fundraising.
Jason
and
I
went
back
and
forth
a
little
bit.
We
both
agreed
that
was
in
poor
taste.
A
lot
of
firms
will
do
this
thing
where,
when
they're
working
on
fundraising
initiatives,
they
will
offer
to
fund.
You
know
X
number
of
dollars
taking
nothing
off
the
top,
but
after
a
certain
cap
they'll,
you
know,
take
10
cents
of
every
dollar
or
whatever
a
funds
raised.
C
We're
not
going
to
do
that
for
at
least
this
this
contract,
as
it
currently
exists.
We
are
not
interested
in
taking
any
money
that
we
raise
on
behalf
of
the
enable
for
Grants,
though
that's
a
little
bit
different,
because
what
grants
would
be
exploring
would
be
seeking
funding
specifically
to
facilitate
wildmont's
ability
to
to
do
some
of
these
bigger
efforts.
One
of
those
efforts
that
I'm
most
interested
in
you
know.
C
Obviously
this
is
where
my
interest
get
a
little
bit
conflicted
as
both
enables
Outreach
director-
and
you
know
the
the
founder
of
wildmon-
is
that
I
really
think
that
we
have
a
lot
of
potential
for
exploring
assistive
technology
and
Rehab
engineering
writ
large.
C
C
It's
a
huge
Miss
that
we
weren't
aware
of
that
until
the
deadline,
but
and
speaking
to
the
director
there.
They
have
opportunities
like
this
pop
up,
semi-regularly
and
I
think
that
if
we
were
to
secure
funding
through
a
grant
for
specific
Project
work,
whether
it's
research
and
design
of
a
an
entirely
new
element
of
what
enables
scope
could
be
if
it's
something
that's
going
to
be
a
huge
lift
with
X
number
of
hours
weekly
required.
On
top
of
the
programs
that
we've
outlined
in
this
proposal.
C
We
would
just
ask
that
Wildlife
be
compensated
at
our
standard
rate
and
I've
kind
of
lost
my
place
here,
but
really
that's
just
to
I
believe
to
incentivize
both
to
better
justify
the
grant
proposals
that
we
write
because
part
of
that
of
Any
Given
Grant
will
be
seeking
funding
for
the
time
dedicated
to
building
the
program.
But
also
it's
just
going
that
that
would
be
much
much
more
involved
than
the
kind
of
thing
that
that
we've
been
discussing
up
to
this
point.
A
So
if,
if
I
may
add,
I
might
I'd
like
to
just
kind
of
sum
up
what
we're
talking
about
at
a
monetary
level
here,
so
you
gotta
start
thinking
about
next
steps,
because
you've
done
a
wonderful
job
of
outlining
everything
in
this
proposal.
A
The
only
thing
that
we
don't
really
get
into
here
is
is
really
kind
of
outlining.
What
are
we
asking
for
approval
on?
Because
we
don't
really
talk
about
duration
here
and
I,
see
this
as
an
ongoing
program?
Ideally,
but
the
way
our
community
has
always
worked
is
that
while
we
recognize
the
need
for
certain
ongoing
activities,
we
generally
approve
funding
for
those
things
on
a
periodic
basis
with
checkpoints,
so
that
we
have
the
opportunity
to
kind
of
reevaluate
and
make
sure
yes,
we
still
feel
this
is
working.
A
Yes,
we
want
to
approve
it
for
another
period,
Etc,
so
taking
what
you
outlined
here
as
far
as
a
monthly
retainer
proposal,
I
think
we
probably
need
to
think
about
writing
something
up
for
lumio
and
I.
My
thought
was
this
is
where
I
want
to
input
from
you
guys.
I
was
thinking
that
we
put
something
forward
either
proposing
a
six-month
term
or
a
12-month
term
may
be
paid
quarterly.
If
that's
something
that
you're
comfortable
with
I
think
all
of
this
is
up
for
negotiation,
but
I'm,
just
thinking
of
ways
that
we
can.
A
We
got
to
be
able
to
put
something:
that's
very
specific
in
front
of
the
community
to
say
this
is
the
total
commitment
that
we're
asking
you
to
approve,
and
this
is
when
and
how
it
would
be
paid,
and
this
is
what
you
can
expect
in
return.
So
I
was
thinking
something
like
that
proposing
either
a
six-month
or
a
12-month
initial
engagement.
Personally.
B
A
C
We
have
some
standard
contract
language
regarding
duration
of
these
projects,
and
it
really
varies
based
on
our
initial
assessment
of
how
long
a
given
project
will
likely
take
Jason
and
I
talked
about
this
a
little
bit
the
other
day.
I
think
that
for
this,
if,
if
you're,
leaning
toward
12
month,
I
think
you
we
have
several
years
worth
of
projects
here,.
A
B
A
B
B
Real
incentive-
that's
here,
is
that
this
isn't
sustainable.
Unless
that
will
want,
can
do
what
they
are
offering
to
do,
which
is
to
develop
funding
sources
for.
A
Us
well
that's
why
I
said
that
I
think
our
proposal
should
get
approval
for
a
certain
duration,
but
with
details
about
checkpoints
and
how
it
gets
paid
out
and
what
to
expect.
So.
You
have
an
opportunity
of
saying:
let's
approve
this
for
12
months,
but
with
the
expectation
that
by
six
months,
we've
seen
X,
Y
and
Z
and
part
of
that
sort
of
Midway
check
could
be.
We
expect
to
have
seen
some
amount
of
incoming
funding
by
the
six
month
point
in
order
to
justify
the
the
continuation
of
of
the
program
I.
C
Think
that's
exactly
right
and
I
would
say
that
we
were
thinking
a
six
month
so
that
you
wouldn't
be
locked
in
with
a
a
quarterly.
As
you
put
a
checkpoint,
we,
the
language
we
use,
is
minimum
engagement,
but
basically
just
signing
on
three
months
at
a
time
with
an
initial
understanding
that
it
will
likely
be
six
months.
Assuming
that
we
have,
you
know,
shown
progress.
A
C
A
Far
as
the
grant
side
of
things,
we
would
need
to
so
I
understand
that
that's
handled
separately,
but
within
the
scope
of
this
program
we
would
need
to
rely
on
you
to
at
least
be
the
ones
becoming
aware
of
those
grants,
opportunities
and
calling
them
your
attention
and
when
there
is
one
that's
worthy
of
going
after
that
would
have
to
be
put
forward
as
a
separate
proposal
on
lumio
at
your
normal
rates
to
say
this
is
the
grant.
This
is
how
many
hours
we
think
it's
going
to
take.
A
B
Because
I
I
thought
I
heard
you
saying
that
the
execution
of
the
grant
would
be
at
your
standard
rate,
but
the
pursuit
of
the
Grant
and
the
rating
of
the
grant
would
be
included
within
the
original
package.
Did
I
get
that
wrong.
So
the.
C
The
idea,
here
being
any
grants
that
would
be
for
project
work
that
wildmont
specifically,
would
oversee
if,
if
the
plan
would
be
for
Wildman
to
oversee
the
execution
of
that
project,
so,
for
example,
let's
say
that
we
had
pursued
this
ACL
grant
for
Rehab
engineering
r
d,
if
that
were
something
that
we
not
only
applied
for
applying
for
the
grants.
All
of
that
stuff
is
just
at
our
normal
rate.
It
is
just
what
is
just
looped
into
our
standard
retainer
like
where
we're
not
seeking
anything
additional
for
applying.
C
To
execute
that
to
lead
that
project
that
would
be
at
wildmont
standard
rate.
For
you
know,
whatever
the
duration
of
leading
that
project
would.
A
Be
so
I
have
to
say
I'm
a
little
confused
then
by
the
wording,
because
the
reason
I
had
the
understanding
I
did
is
because
it
says
here
that
Grant
capture
is
aimed
at
identifying
applying
for
and
securing
funding,
and
it's
indicating
that
these
activities
would
not
be
covered
would
be
outside
of
the
standard
monthly
fee.
But
you
seem
to
be
saying
something
different.
C
So
right
there,
so
it's
the
paragraph
is
split,
maybe
that's
part
of
it.
So
if
you
scroll
down
just
a
bit,
okay,
so
importantly,
should
enable
elect
to
make
use
of
a
grant
capture.
Service
should
well
not
be
successful
in
securing
funding.
Oh.
A
A
A
C
Because
what
we
would
want
to
do
is
continue
the
work
that
our
services
are
at
the
Baseline
retained
for,
even
if
we
are
spearheading
these
additional
projects
for
which
we've
attained,
grant
funding.
A
The
opportunity
to
lay
out
up
front
at
your
standard
rates,
how
much
of
that
money
would
go
towards
supporting
your
work
and
executing
those
functions
so
I
think
that's
a
great
approach
right.
B
A
B
If
they
think
it's
a
good
investment
on
their
part-
and
we
think
that
it
is
consistent
with
our
our
mission
and
our
trajectory,
then
it's
a
win-win
for
all
parties.
Correct.
A
Absolutely
okay!
Well!
Okay!
Let
me
just
look
oh
section,
four,
a
vision
for
the
future
I,
don't
know
if
that's
something
you
want
to
touch
on
Adam.
C
It's
it's
very
slacky,
but
really
this.
This
is
truly
how
I
feel
about
what
what
I
think
enable
can
be
I
think
that
he
enable
more
from
being
a
a
network
where
people
can
share
ideas
and
design
things
I
think
at
its
core.
That's
what
enable
should
remain.
I
think
that
we
can
build
upon
that
that
sort
of
central
engine
to
be
much
bigger
than
we
are
today.
I
think
that
enable
can
exist
as
part
of
the
infrastructure
of
the
American
Health
Care
system.
I.
C
Think
that
enable
can
exist
as
a
global
organization,
that's
connected
through
various
non-profits
and
governmental
agencies,
to
be
a
an
alternative,
a
source
of
assistive
technology
and
Prosthetics
for
individuals
who
can't
otherwise
attain
them.
I
think
that
being
able
can
be
a
more
Mission
oriented
organization
that
identifies
communities
and
opportunities
to
assist
people
in
the
developing
world.
I
can
tell
you
that
my
Kabul
initiative
in
Afghanistan
had
I've
had
a
very
hard
time
on
my
own
trying
to
get
this
off
the
ground.
C
I
wanted
to
mention
that
I've
got
a
couple
of
chapters,
one
in
DC
One
in
Canada,
who
are
committed
to
sending
a
couple
advices
and
I
wanted
to
also
outside
of
this
proposal,
request
that
that
their
costs
to
ship
devices
be
covered
by
the
enable
fund.
It
shouldn't
be
more
than
a
couple
hundred
bucks.
A
C
A
I'm,
sorry
to
jump
in,
but
I'm
just
looking
at
the
time
we're
into
our
final
10
minutes
here
and
I
do
have
a
hard
stop
for
the
bionics
meeting.
So
let's
talk
next
steps
here.
I,
don't
think
it's
going
to
come
as
any
surprise
that
I'm,
a
strong
supporter
of
this
I,
think
it
looks
wonderful
and
I
wish.
We
could
just
take
a
vote
and
say:
let's
go
do
it,
but
we
can't
be
on
our
approval,
so
we
need
to.
We
need
to
write
up
a
proposal
for
lumio
and
I.
A
C
A
B
C
Spearhead
that,
if
you
could
I
believe
I
have
the
template
but
Jeremy.
If
you
could
share
that
just
in
case
you
know,
I
need
to
more
up-to-date
one.
That
would
be
great
of.
A
Course
so
I'll
get
you
the
template,
it's
pretty
simple!
It's
basically
going
to
be
most
of
the
fields
of
kind
of
what
we're
asking
for
in
The
Proposal,
you
can
just
kind
of
say
refer
to
the
PDF,
because
it's
all
in
there
and
I
would
also
encourage
us
to
include
a
link
to
this
recording
so
that
people
can
listen
to
this
and
get
a
much
better
understanding.
A
And
then
the
rest
is
just
going
to
be
a
little
bit
of
background.
You'll
want
a
brief
summary
at
the
top
you're
going
to
want
a
little
bit
of
background
about
yourself
in
there,
but
yeah.
It's
you
already
have
most
of
the
information
excuse
me
of
what
this
is
going
to
be
looking
for.
Okay,.
B
However,
great,
however,
a
couple
of
notes-
yes,
many
people
won't
actually
read
the
PDF,
so
you
do
want
to
have
the
essential
of
course
deal
points
up
in
the
up
in
the
top.
That's.
A
A
B
You
got
it
and
you
should
run
this
proposal
back
and
forth
with
us,
but
I
want
to
give
you
if,
if
we
have
three
minutes
just
a
few
high
level
points,
one
is.
B
This
implies,
you
know
a
significant
advancement
in
the
organization
and
potentially
several
changes
in
its
character
and
I
think
you
have
to
be
conscious
of
that,
and
we
need
to
be
frank
about
it.
I
love
that
vision
of
the
way
you
describe
the
test
kitchens
in
rehab
centers
with
the
volunteers
in
the
center
now
actually
playing
the
role
of
volunteer
technicians
in
a
medical
setting
where
they're,
interacting
potentially
but
under
supervision
with
the
professionals
and
the
patience.
That's
really
what
they
want
is
to
be
to
use
their
technical
skills
and,
frankly,
I.
B
Don't
think
they'll
take
the
lead
in
Outreach
unless
they
feel
they've
got
the
appropriate
backup.
So
on
that's
my
second
point
on
many
of
these
things,
I
think
you
want
to
recognize
that
there
is
a
professionalism
and
an
understanding
of
the
professional
community,
end
of
the
patient
community
that
our
volunteers
typically
don't
have.
B
They
would
like
it,
but
they
don't
have,
and
so,
if
you're
talking
about
turning
them
towards
Outreach
I,
think
you
should
build
into
it
being
with
them
on
the
initial
Outreach
calls
brokering
the
relationships
so
that
you
can
help
appraise
the
volunteers
ability
to
hold
up
their
end
of
whatever
relationship
you're
talking
about
and
have
the
prosthetist
understand
that
they
have
you
available
as
a
as
an
advisor
consultant
collaborator
and
pardon
me
for
saying
so,
volunteer
control
of
volunteer
quality
control
consultant
well.
C
John
I
can
tell
you
that
I
already
have
an
Outreach
training
packet
outlined
that
I've
been
working
on
for
the
past
couple
of
weeks
and
I've
got
a
script
for
a
video
knowledge
transfer
a
little
training
for
people
who
are
interested
in
this
that
I've
been
working
on.
C
So
that's
an
excellent
point
and
I
think
you're
absolutely
right
that
that's
that
making
sure
people
have
the
resources
not
only
for
for
this
rehab
engineering
attempt,
but
also
if
people
are
interested
in
logistics.
If
people
are
interested
in
you
know
managing
help
desk
or
badging
systems,
we
need
onboarding
more
than
just
a
call
with
a
person
to
say
well.
This
is
how
this
works.
This
is
how
that
works.
We
need
processes
written
down.
B
One
is
to
get
Prosthetics
to
those
who
need
them,
and
our
old
volunteer
organization
has
done
a
remarkable
job
of
getting
Prosthetics
to
those
who
need
them
and
don't
get
them,
but
it
hasn't
done
a
remarkable
job
of
reaching
all
those
who
need
them.
We
haven't
scaled
and
we
haven't
connected
to
the
professional
communities
and
the
frankly
The
Gatekeepers
to
the
communities
and
needs
especially
internationally.
B
B
A
B
Know
that's
part
of
a
different
one,
but
it's
worth
it:
okay,
okay!
So
let's,
let's
do
that
so
number,
one
as
I
said,
is
getting
inexpensive
Prosthetics
to
those
who
need
them
and
will
benefit
from
them.
B
Number
two
is
supporting
a
Global
Network
of
pro-social
techno
activists,
right
right
volunteers,
who
want
to
do
good
with
the
tool
with
the
miraculous
tools
of
digital
and
other
technology
that
are
available
to
anyone
above
a
certain
social
economic
status
and
ought
to
be
used
to
benefit
those
who
aren't
at
that
at
that
level
of
wealth
and
luxury.
Okay,
the
third
one
is
innovation
in
methodology.
So
that's
the
one
Jeremy
put
in.
A
Place
yeah
I
mean
we,
we've
been
blessed
with
some
brilliant
designers,
CAD
Specialists
mechanical
engineers,
I
mean
people
with
amazing
skills
who
have
just
taken
it
upon
themselves.
To
say:
hey
I
can
improve
on
this
design
and
they've.
That's
where
all
of
our
designs
have
come
from
just
some
volunteer,
or
occasionally
a
very
small
group
of
of
folks
that
work
together
on
something.
But
usually
it's
been
individuals
who
have
come
up
with
these
new
designs
and
shared
them.
A
If
we
could
figure
out
a
way
of
bringing
those
people
together
and
say:
hey
you're
great,
with
CAD
you're
great
with
you
know,
mechanical
design,
you're
great
with
you
know,
fitting
or
whatever
those
things
are
and
and
really
form
working
groups
and
try
to
try
to
facilitate
some
of
these
r
d
efforts
with
specific
goals
of
hey.
We
we
want
to
come
up
with
a
design
that
achieves
these
these
goals.
You
know,
I
think
we
could
have
a
much
bigger
impact
in
improving
the
sorts
of
devices
that
we're
able
to
offer.
C
All
three
of
those
potential
Avenues
I
I,
mentioned
earlier-
that
we
have
several
years
worth
of
projects.
B
Here's
the
high
level
point
on
building
too
your
activity
in
this
area,
if
it
is
effective,
could
either
help
us
build
out
that
sweet
spot,
the
intersection
and
the
Venn
diagram
of
those
three
goals,
and
that
would
be
fantastic.
B
It's
also
possible
that
you'll
actually
lead
us
to
maximize
one
or
two,
but
not
all
three
of
those
goals.
B
I
could
imagine,
for
example,
that
given
your
background
and
what
we
hear
that
the
professional
Community
might
well
use,
this
might
get
on
board
and
end
up
simply
adopting
our
Technical
Solutions
and
then
professionalizing
them
and
leaving
our
volunteers
frankly
behind
that
would
be
a
shame,
but
if
it
gets
devices
to
all
those
who
need
them,
I'd
be
okay
with
it.
B
Similarly,
you
might
be
able
to
really
Revitalize
and
energize
the
volunteer
community,
helping
us
to
expand
into
other
directions,
and
yet
we
don't
that
might
not
end
up
going
out
through
professional
channels
or
particularly
leading
to
research
and
development
or
and
we've
seen
this
happen
in
times
in
our
history,
we
might
end
up
becoming
an
elite
corps
of
inventor
volunteers
of
the
sort
Jeremy
has
been
working
with.