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From YouTube: e-NABLE SPC Meeting, November 27, 2020
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This is a recording of the e-NABLE Strategic Planning Committee meeting for Friday, November 27, 2020.
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A
Regulations
and
yeah,
but
let
me
just
quickly
message
peter
and
see
whether
he's
on
his
way.
C
A
D
Cool
by
day,
I'm
a
user
experience
consultant
in
physical
service
and
digital
spaces
by
night
I
work
with
anthony
managing
the
projects
for
3d
crowd.
My
specific
project,
I'm
leading
currently
as
well
as
supporting
anthony,
is
how
we
might
be
able
to
better
equip
low-income
middle-income
countries
to
react
to
crisis
through
3d
printing.
D
There's
lots
more
on
that.
But
that's
me.
E
My
name's,
anthony
by
day,
I'm
a
program
manager
and
very
sadly,
by
night.
I
am
also
the
program
manager
for
3d
crowds,
so
I
also
dip
into
the
operations
side
of
things
as
well.
As
you
may
be
aware,
we've
transitioned
from
the
initial
offering
where
we
were
purely
looking
at
ppe
and
visors
to
a
more
project
and
program
orientated
approach.
E
So
in
theory,
I
sit
across
the
projects
and
try
and
gently
herd
those
kittens
together
and
make
them
vaguely
point
in
the
right
direction,
whilst
getting
the
rest
of
3d
crowds,
they're
kind
of
up
and
running,
and
that's
all
I
do
really,
apart
from
wait
for
cyberpunk
2077
to
come
out
so.
A
And
is
it,
is
it?
Is
it
worth
actually
giving
a
little
bit?
Perhaps
your
best
place
to
anthony
to
just
well,
maybe
maybe
we'll
come
into
the
the
the
broader
kind
of
introduction
to
3d
crowd
in
just
a
second
but
yeah
and
dara.
F
Yes,
hi
fluid
dynamics,
background
aerospace,
maritime
bit,
submarine
propulsion,
rocket,
nozzles
bits
and
pieces
and
generally
know
enough
to
be
dangerous
about
a
lot
of
things.
Programming,
sysops,
yes,
castor,
wide
net,
and
I
I
work
with
the
with
anthony,
mainly
on
the
sort
of
engineering
side
of
through
the
crowd.
I
work
across
all
the
different
projects.
A
Oh
isla.
B
Hey
yeah,
my
name's
isla
I've
been
working
at
deloitte
for
kind
of
three
and
a
bit
years
now.
The
first
team
that
I
joined
happened
to
be
ed's
team
and
that's
kind
of
when
I
was
introduced
to
the
the
weird
and
wonderful
world
of
disruptive
technology,
one
of
which
was
3d
printing
when
we
started
3d
printing,
a
little
phoebe
some
arms
and
that's
kind
of
how
I
got
involved
and
we
grew
exponentially
from
phoebe
printing,
more
arms
for
more
children
and
I've
just
been
kind
of
part
of
the
journey.
A
Cool
and
yeah,
I
guess
the
the
if
the
enable
team
could
introduce
themselves
as
well.
C
B
My
name
is
ben,
oh,
go
ahead:
ben
okay,
my
name
is
ben.
I'm
working
with
the
enable
I've
been
working
with
enable
the
last.
I
guess
it's
been
about
two
years
almost
on
media
coordination
projects,
so
it
started
out
with
the
newsletter
and
has
shifted
into
some
some
different
things
involving
chapter
support
and
the
online
community,
and
it
sort
of
goes
in
a
lot
of
different
directions
but
sort
of
centers
around
the
idea
of
getting
the
chapters
to
work
better
together
and
try
to
collect
stories
and
encourage
collaborations.
G
And
I'm
I'm
jeremy
simon,
I
guess
my
daytime
situation
is
that
I
run
a
company
called
3d
universe,
which
is
closely
aligned
with
enable,
but
we
sell
stuff.
You
know
we
sell
3d
printers
and
materials
and
as
well
as
assembly
materials
kits
for
the
enabled
devices
and
things
like
that,
and
then
on
my
off
hours.
I
do
a
lot
of
work
for
the
enable
community,
mostly
infrastructure,
support,
helping
to
keep
our
various
websites
going
and
maintained
and
a
lot
of
back
end
kind
of
things
supporting
the
help
desk
and
stuff
like
that.
A
Indeed,
I
can
hear
the
printers
going
in
the
background.
Yeah.
A
A
Isn't
it
yeah
yeah,
so
the
I
don't
know
whether
actually
we
did,
we
did
do
a
music
video
for
3d
crowd
that
did
feature
some
printers
as
instruments
in
the
music
video.
I'm
not
sure
I
shared
that
with
the
the
enable
team,
but
I
don't.
A
Oh
yeah,
we'll
share
that
it
was.
It
was
very
impressive.
The
people
who
did
it
were
it
was
really
good,
the
stuff
that
they
did.
So
I
I
think
I
I
mean
just
conscious
that
peter
hasn't
joined
yet
and
we
might
not.
A
We
might
not
get
him,
but
I
just
wondered
then,
if
it's
worth
a
3d
crowd
as
a
starter,
giving
kind
of
an
intro
to
you
know
what
what
the
3d
crowd
journey,
particularly
around
the
the
ce
certification
and
whether
anthony
you'd,
be
able
to
give
kind
of
a
perhaps
anthony
we'd,
be
able
to
give
kind
of
a
quick
summary
of
that.
Just
to
talk
talk
through
that.
E
Yeah,
that's
not
a
problem,
so
3d
crowd
was
probably
born
in
around
about
march
of
this
year,
when
the
covert
crisis
was
starting
to,
I
suppose,
become
real
for
people
in
this
country.
E
E
E
I
don't
think
anyone
could
have
guessed
really
how
many
makers,
how
many
dormant
makers,
who
were
across
the
uk,
who
were
active
and
enthusiastic
enough
to
get
involved,
and
I
was
bullied,
slash,
tricked
into
getting
involved
from
a
logistics
perspective
initially
because,
as
you
can
imagine,
scaling
up
that
quickly
had
an
awful
lot
of
problems
and
a
lot
of
challenges
from
both
the
logistics
perspective,
comms
and
several
other
operational
aspects,
and
then
over
time
my
role,
kind
of
crept,
wider
and
wider.
E
We
essentially
set
up
regions
across
the
country
and
obviously
northern
ireland
as
well.
We
set
up
distribution
networks,
cleaning
hubs
and,
as
part
of
all
this,
while
we
were
kind
of
still
actively
raising
money,
we
decided
to
pursue
ce
certification
with
the
bsi,
which
is
the
british
standards
institution.
Is
it
forgetting
my.
F
E
But
yes,
thank
you.
That
was
I'll.
Actually,
let
dara
go
into
that
in
a
little
bit
more
detail.
But
fundamentally
it
was
predominantly
led
by
a
collective
of
engineers,
plus
a
couple
of
medical
professionals
that
we
had
who
were
fundamentally
used
to
to
dealing
with
the
kind
of
questions
they
would
throw
at
us
from
a
medical
device
perspective.
E
If
that
makes
sense,
so
you
know
a
private
sector
organization
saying
you
know,
we've
got
a
big
warehouse
and
we're
going
to
produce
this
many
things
to
this
spec
that
will
go
through,
but
8
000
people
across
nine
or
ten
regions
with
x,
number
of
coordinators
producing
cleaning
and
distributing
these
things
hasn't
really
been
done
before
so
we
produced
over
the
course
of
our
let's
call
it
our
first
phase
up
until
maybe
august
around
about
200
000
of
these
face
shields
to
to
the
spec
that
we'd
we
worked
on
it.
E
They
were
based
on
the
producer
design
with.
I
think
a
few
tweaks
and
we
facilitated
a
further
185
000
visors
through
people
who
just
kind
of
wanted
to
partner
with
us.
So
as
you
can
imagine,
we
ended
up
with
a
massive
order
book
about
half
a
million
in
the
end,
and
so
there
are
organizations
that
would
come
to
us
and
say:
look:
we've
actually
got
injection
molding
machines.
We
can
produce
x,
amount
or
y
amounts.
E
So
we
worked
with
organizations
like
nissan
and
a
couple
of
others
down
south
and
in
the
midlands,
who
again
kind
of
fulfilled
some
of
our
back
order
as
well
roll
on,
I
suppose
the
end
of
the
major
lockdown
when
everyone
thought.
Oh,
it's
all
going
to
be
over
by
christmas.
E
We
started
to
have
some
serious
discussions
around
what
we've
done
around
about
that
time.
The
official
stamp
came
through
to
say
you
are
now
ce
approved.
We
were
able
to
give
them
away
for
free
regardless,
but
we
still
wanted
to
pursue
this
kind
of
quality
mark.
If
that
makes
sense-
and
there
are
enough
of
us
around
that-
had
an
appetite
to
continue
as
an
organization
that
felt
there
was
a
real
niche
or
a
real
value
in
this
distributed
manufacturing
model,
but
also
from
a
community
perspective.
E
E
E
Tetra
is
a
ventilator
splitter
that
essentially
allows
you
to
turn
one
ventilator
into
four
ventilators,
primarily
for
developing
nations.
If
you
look
at
places
like
sierra
leone,
they
have
like
seven
or
eight
ventilators
for
the
entire
country,
and
then
rich
is
dealing
with
our
big
big
programme,
which
is
primarily
around
disaster
relief.
E
Actually,
two
big
programs
primarily
around
where
maker
technologies
could
be
utilized
in
the
charity
sector
or
disaster
relief
scenarios
where
fundamentally
3d
printing,
but
other
technologies
could
solve
a
lot
of
problems,
especially
in
the
immediate
aftermath
of
disasters,
and
then
we
have
maybe
three
or
four
other
ones
that
we
are
coordinating
and
working
on.
E
I
think
that's
enough
of
me
talking,
but
that's
about
where
we
are
at
the
moment,
it's
kind
of
trying
to
turn
the
bus
around
trying
to
drag
as
many
of
those
initial
8
000
with
us
and
turn
it
into
a
cohesive,
not-for-profit
organization,
but
one
that
the
ideal
aspiration
would
be
to
reimburse
our
makers
and
to
to
be
able
to
fund
projects
and
ideas
in
this
kind
of
area.
D
F
C
E
So
we
are
focusing
on
tetra,
which
is
the
ventilator
splitter,
the
another.
Twenty
thousand
now
we've
got
the
ce
approval,
another
twenty
thousand
bits
of
ppe,
hopefully
working
with
yourselves
being
a
obviously
a
third
one.
We
are
working
on
the
disaster
recovery
program
and
then
associated
with
that
is
project
babel,
which
is
actually
I'll.
Let
rich
describe
that
in
a
second.
E
E
E
A
D
Long
short
of
it
is,
we
did
some
research
into
utilize,
a
utilizing
3d
printers
in
areas
affected
by
crisis
or
or
or
in
need
effectively,
which
predominantly
fall
into
the
low
to
medium
income
categories
and
really
realistically
found
two
major
problems.
That
is
one
is
having
machine
robust
enough
to
survive
the
environment
and
it's
used
to
be
user
friendly
enough
and
the
second
one
was
knowledge
once
they
had
a
3d
printer,
they
really
didn't
know
what
to
do
with
it.
They
were
capra
and
so
to
address.
D
The
first
of
the
knowledge
point.
Babel
is
a
basically
a
thing
verse
for
all
sorts
of
3d
patterns,
designs
that
might
be
useful
or
should
be
useful
in
a
crisis
situation,
which
is
largely
a
very
large
scope.
D
The
difference
between
thing
versus
us
is:
we
have
got
a
number
of
engineers
and
hobbyists
testing
the
prince,
because
there's
a
lot
of
rubbish
out
there
quite
frankly
and
effectively
just
refreshing
that
so
the
person
at
the
end,
who
has
only
got
two
hours
of
power,
only
a
few
grams
of
filament
can
actually
produce
something
that
they
know
and
they
trust
is
worthwhile
and
we're
extending
that
to
a
new
project.
D
Well,
a
possibility
with
working
with
oxfam
in
liberia,
where
we
are
seeing
a
increase
in
well
effectively
the
ivory
coast
situation,
an
increase
of
14
000
displays
people
putting
strains
on
existing
infrastructures
which
aren't
so
robust.
D
A
Cool
sounds
sounds
good
yeah.
I
think
it's
yeah.
I
think
it's
really
really
interesting
project
that
I
think
will
be
very,
very
useful
and,
and
yeah
will
mean
that
those
printers
that
that
might
be
available
can
actually
be
used
more
effectively.
A
The
so
yeah,
I
think
the
I
mean
I
guess
dara.
The
the
only
thing
that
I
was
thinking
would
be
interesting
is
any.
What
would
you
say?
Kind
of
the
hardest
aspect
was
of
you
know
in
terms
of
kind
of
securing
the
that
ce
marking,
what
was
kind
of
the
most
challenging
was.
Was
it
challenging
from
a
technical
perspective
or
what
kind
of
what
were
the?
What
were
the
kind
of
the
key
challenges
for
that?
Would
you
say.
F
I
I
I
did
have
a
little
bit
to
do
with
it
on
the
very
outskirts.
My
primary
involvement
was
writing
a
qa
document
right,
which
is.
E
F
And
all
I
was
going
to
say
was,
you
know
something
that's
often
overlooked
and
just
a
consistent
approach
to
qa
across
a
distributed
manufacturing
system
is
entertaining
because
you've
got
lots
of
people
at
different
levels
and
you
have
to
yeah.
You
get
the
idea
anyway.
Sorry
yeah.
E
No,
no,
no,
I
think
I
think
what
you're
saying
is.
It
was
entirely
relevant
from
from
the
engineering
perspective,
ensuring
consistency
of
quality
across
the
board,
given
the
different
skills
sets
and
the
different
materials
and
the
different
machines
that
are
being
used
is,
is
a
number
one
challenge
in
convincing
people
that
you
can
produce
something
of
a
repeatable
quality.
E
E
They
are
far
more
used
to
a
organization
with
a
I
know,
a
large
set
of
injection
molders
coming
to
them,
and
that
feels
like
a
known
quantity
to
them,
because
naturally
they're
very
risk
adverse,
so
convincing
them
of
the
viability
of
the
product
or
the
the
way
of
working
is
one
thing
and,
of
course,
I'm
very
much
in
the
dark
here
and
second
to
that
is
the
the
raw
process
in
the
sense
that
we
were
very
much
learning
from
scratch.
E
What
to
speak
the
language
they
wanted,
but
also
to
give
them
confidence
from
a
design
and
a
process
perspective
that
what
we
were
doing
was
was
was
suitable.
Fundamentally,
there
was
an
awful
lot
of
time,
and
this
is
why
it
took
so
long
to
spend
literally
like
tweaking
designs,
making
sure
that
it
passed
certain
quality
standards
that,
to
be
fair,
didn't
actually
necessarily
even
need
to
be
passed
for
our
used
case,
but
didn't
need
need
to
be
passed
for
the
bsi's
quality
standard.
E
If
that
kind
of
makes
sense,
everything
from
you
know
impact
resistance
with
a
ball
bearing
to
how
it
would
respond
to
heat
to
the
materials
used
in
terms
of
sanitization
and
then
obviously
moving
from
there
in
terms
of
how
we
process
these
things
back
these
things
and
push
these
things
out.
Traceability
was
another
thing,
so
it
was.
E
It
was
essentially
like
having,
from
my
perspective
as
a
program
manager
like
having
a
risk
log
that
was,
I
don't,
know,
800
risks
long
and
essentially
you
have
to
be
able
to
answer
every
single
one
of
those
and
show
how
you
were
mitigating
it,
fixing
it
dealing
with
it
now,
in
fairness,
because
of
the
covid
situation,
I
believe
we
probably
got
pushed
forward
faster
and
a
lot
of
people
did
in
fact
got
pushed
through
the
process
faster
than
they
would
have
otherwise
done,
because
these
things
can
take
years.
E
E
I'll
respond
to
this
I'll
respond
to
this
I'll
respond
to
this,
and
then
a
lot
of
it
was
just
patience
and
wondering
whether
we
get
it
or
not,
because
the
feedback
you
get
from
them
can
be
quite
can
be
quite
sparse
sometimes,
and
so
you
have
to
encourage
enough
feedback,
so
you're
staying
ahead
of
the
curve,
if
that
makes
sense,.
G
I
actually
have
a
couple
of
questions.
One
of
them
relates
to
what
you're
talking
about
here
and
another
one
is
is
on
a
different
topic
with
regards
to
qa.
G
Obviously,
you've
had
to
do
a
lot
to
demonstrate
to
the
bsi
that
there's
a
certain
level
of
printing
quality
that
the
materials
have
certain
properties,
etc,
etc,
demonstrating
that
is
one
thing
once
you
have
that
approval.
How
do
you
make
sure
that
all
of
your
makers
are
achieving
the
same
results
that
they
have
the
same
print
quality
that
they're
using
the
same
settings,
same
materials,
etc?
G
E
Let
me
talk
about
that
from
a
process
perspective
briefly,
then.
So
what
we're
setting
up
at
the
moment
as
an
organization
is,
is
literally
a
de
facto
engineering
function
which
dara
is
in
charge
of,
but
we
will
get
more
and
more
engineers
into
that
function
to,
firstly,
any
project
that
we
do
will
use
those
guys
as
the
designated
adults
in
terms
of
quality
in
terms
of
standards.
E
From
that
a
a
design
document
will
fundamentally
and
that
kind
of
links
into
the
stuff
that
babel
is
doing,
a
design
document
will
be
fundamentally
created.
I
think
barry
you
call
it
something
different,
don't
you
but
a
spec
sheet.
In
essence,
that
says
this
is
how
this
is
when
this
is
what
is
done
to
create
the
item
and
then
fundamentally
from
a
printing
perspective,
we
have
people
who
will
manage
the
quality
control
side
of
things,
so
they
don't
just
get
printed
and
then
sent
to
an
end
user.
E
There
are
hubs
who
will
process
them.
In
some
cases
they
will
deal
with
all
the
sanitation
in
terms
of
washing
them
to
make
sure
they're
sterilized
and
that's
where,
in
this
case,
our
project
lead
for
vises
comes
in
he's
responsible
for
the
side
of
things.
Where
he's,
thankfully,
got
a
lot
of
time
on
his
hands
at
a
very,
very
strict
level
of
quality
control,
and
he
will
literally
just
strip
out
ones
that
are
not
of
a
good
enough
quality.
E
They
will
then
go
back
to
get
recycled
into
plastic
again,
and
then
the
remaining
will
get
packed
up,
sanitized
and
boxed
if
that
kind
of
makes
sense.
So
there's
a
lot
of
manual
intervention,
but
we
hope,
with
future
projects
with
the
involvement
of
people
like
dara
at
the
very
beginning
of
a
project
we'll
be
able
to
control
a
lot
of
the
mistakes
that
were
made
when
we
went
from
nothing
to
sprinting.
If
that
kind
of
makes
sense,
yeah.
G
It
sounds
like
it
might
be
a
bit
of
a
different
process,
depending
on
whether
you're,
making
ppe
or
other
types
of
devices.
So,
let's
say
we're
talking
about
an
enable
hand
or
arm
that's
being
made
for
somebody.
Are
you
saying
that
the
maker
would
produce
the
device
and
then
send
it
to
some
group
for
qa
checks
before
it
gets
delivered
to
the
end
user?
That.
E
E
The
only
exception
to
that
just
thinking
off
the
top
of
my
head
is
once
dara
has
more
resource
in
his
department.
There
will
be
a
situation
where
we
will
be
able
to
work
closer
with
a
maker
and
we
might
be
able
to
do
some
stuff
remotely.
So
the
challenge
with
visors
is
we
had
up
to
1,
500
or
so
printers
going
any
one
time
and
we
were
trying
to
fulfill
orders
as
fast
as
possible.
E
I
don't
foresee
that
with
enable,
even
if
a
third
party
said
we
want
200
of
these
for
sierra
leone
or
afghanistan,
or
something
like
that.
I
still
think
we're
going
to
be
in
a
situation
where
we
have
enough
time
and
capacity
to
not
take
any
shortcuts.
Fundamentally.
B
Okay
and
then,
if
I
could.
F
Just
add
a
little
bit
on
the
end
there
yeah
it's
interesting.
You
brought
up
materials,
which
is
something
that
I
I
I
I
try
to
push
from
day,
one
that
we
should
only
use
a
certain
classification
of
material
in
in
the
ppe
and
ultimately,
it
didn't
go
that
way,
for
you
know
fair,
fair
reasons,
but
if
we
were,
if
we
were
doing
it
all
again,
that
was
the
cause
of
such
an
enormous
headache.
Yeah
yeah.
You
can
standardize
on
that
material.
You
get
something
that
actually
has
a
data
sheet
attached
to
it.
F
That
would
have
solved
so
much
headache
and
the
second
thing
is
to
if
you
know,
let's
face
it,
a
lot
of
the
printers
the
same.
You
know
it's
a
prussia.
I
threw
mark
iii
whatever,
and
what
I
do
myself
is
all
the
g-code
files,
all
the
process.
Files
are
kept
in
version
control
and,
if
I
so
desire,
I
can
just
hook
that
nc
file
at
somebody
else
and
if
they
have
a
printer
just
like
mine,
it
should
make
the
same
thing
in
theory.
F
B
G
F
G
G
A
big
difference.
I
was
also
hoping
to
hear
a
little
bit
more
on
on
another
topic
and
I
don't
want
to
take
us
off
the
topic
of
of
qa
and
achieving
the
requirements
of
of
regulatory
requirements.
I
know
that's
the
main
topic
today,
but
earlier
you
had
mentioned
that
you're
you're
working
on
forming
kind
of
a
cohesive
non-profit
that
will
eventually
reimburse
makers
as
well
as
funding
projects
and
I'd
love.
To
hear
more
about
that.
G
E
So
I
worked
significantly
with
digital
projects
and
programs
anyway,
so
I
don't
see
this
as
something
that
we
would
be
able
to
get
in
place
overnight,
but
what
we
did
with
3d
crowd
initially
is
for
people
who
wanted
reimbursement.
We
tracked
the
number
of
prints.
They
made
that
equaled
a
certain
amount
of
financial
or
plastic
reimbursement,
and
then
from
that,
we
we
essentially
traced
it
back
and
went
cool.
You
produced
150
odd
prints
that
equals
this
much
money,
this
much
printing
in
a
future
state.
E
E
They
then
go
through
a
validation
process
where
they
prove
they
can
at
least
produce
one
of
those
things
so
you're
not
getting
random
people
going
yeah
I'd
like
to
do
that,
so
they
go
through
a
validation
process
where
they
produce
one
to
spec.
It
gets
sent
to
our
engineers
and
we
know
they
are
they're,
actually
capable
of
kind
of
doing
that.
E
We
then
essentially
release
the
order
to
them.
Allow
them
to
produce
it.
It
would
get
quality
controlled
as
per
usual
and
then
what
we
would
probably
do
is
we
would
do
reimbursement
and
it's
a
contentious
issue,
but
we
would
do
reimbursement
based
on
the
number
of
quality
approved
items
created
if
that
makes
sense.
So
we
might
do
something
like
if
you
produce
20
and
18
of
them
are
good,
we'll
accept
that
there's
a
two
failure
and
we'll
just
produce
two
more
anyway,
if
you
produce
18.
E
So
if
you
produce
20,
but
half
of
them
are
good.
Well,
we'll
pay
you
for
half,
but
we'll
probably
you
know
either
pay
a
nominal
amount
or
no
for
the
the
ten
that
fail.
If
that
makes
sense.
Naturally,
that
requires
a
level
of
resource
from
us
to
be
able
to
cue.
You
know,
qa
things
in
a
transparent
fashion,
so
they
can
see
why
they
failed
and
get
feedback
and
improve
on
the
next
batch
but
everything's
to
encourage
people
to
so
they
can.
E
Essentially,
I
will
do
this,
I'm
now
responsible
for
20
and
then
obviously
they
can
see
where
their
reimbursement
comes
from
yeah.
All
of
this
only
works
so
from
a
from
a
digital
perspective,
producing
a
system
that
does
that
I'm
genuinely
not
worried
about.
I
can.
It
would
hang
together
reasonably
well
off
some
of
the
back
end
stuff
that
we've
done
and
a
lot
of
that
could
be
manual
in
the
short
term.
E
For
me,
the
fundamental
dependency
is
making
each
project
self-funding
enough
that
we
can
reimburse,
if
that
makes
sense,
and
so
this
is
why
the
reason
I
talk
about
self-funding
is
because,
historically
as
an
organization,
we
had
a
gofundme
everyone
put
money
into
a
central
pot
and
that
money
was
used
for
operational
expenses,
project
expenses,
reimbursement,
qe,
excused
ce
marking
and
a
number
of
things
that
kind
of
kept
us
moving
towards
our
goal.
E
My
aspiration
would
be
that
fundamentally,
yes,
we'd
have
a
central
pot
which
could
be
used
to
leverage
against
individual
projects.
However,
we
would
look
for
each
project
to
have
a
source
of
donation
funding,
because
someone
who
donates
to
prosthetic
limbs
might
not
be
interested
in
donating
to
advisors
might
not
be
interested
in
donating
to
disaster
relief.
People
are
usually
interested
in
donating
to
something
they
personally
give
a
about,
rather
than
possibly
that
money
going
into
an
office
365
license
or
dd
mark
for
something
else.
E
Okay,
but
we'd
also
look
towards
grants
whether
research
grants
or
you
know
not-for-profit
grants
towards
individual
projects
rather
than
as
an
organization,
so
that
again,
for
example,
tetra
ventilator
splitter.
We
may
find
a
university
would
be
prepared
to
put
money
in
from
a
research
perspective,
whereas
another
project
may
have
benefits
in
being
able
to
bid
for
grants
from
completely
different
sources.
It
means
that
we
can
track
the
expenditure
in
the
budgets
a
lot
more
cleanly.
Everyone
knows
where
the
money
is
going
and
and
critically.
G
Excellent
and
and
and
one
more
question,
if
I
could,
I'm
sorry
if
I'm
taking
this
off
track
here
in
the
qa
process,
you
no
doubt
receive
a
lot
of
prints
that
don't
pass
qa
for
one
reason
or
another,
and
you
end
up
with
all
of
these.
You
know
pieces
of
plastic
sitting
around.
Have
you
guys
figured
out
any
any
way
of
recycling
that
material
or
in
other
any
other
ways?
You
know
making
sure
it
doesn't
just
end
up
in
a
landfill.
E
Yeah
we've
got
a
project
that
deals
specifically
with
that.
One
of
our
project
leads
is
dara.
Is
it
you
know
aura?
Is
that
a
university
or
an
organization?
Sorry.
E
Thank
you
very
much
and
we're
basically
firing
all
our
plastic
to
him
he's
at
the
moment
with
the
limited
resource
he's,
got
he's
shredding
it
down
and
has
been.
I
think
we've
got
10
kilograms
of
plastic
back,
but
basically
the
aspiration
is
to
turn
that
into
a
fully
fledged
shred
that
stuff
down
turn
it
into
3d
printable
plastic.
Again,.
G
E
E
To
be
fair,
we
need
to
invest
a
bit
more
in
that
as
well
and
ramp
it
up
it's
it's
one
of
our
main
projects,
because
naturally,
if
you're
an
organization,
that's
producing
an
awful
lot
of
plastic
things,
we
will
get
queried
at
some
point
on
a
press
level
on
a
marketing
level
or
any
other
level
we're
trying
to
not
use
plastic
anymore
guys.
What
are
you
doing
with
it?
We
can
at
least
show
that
we're
being
socially
responsible.
G
Yeah
yeah,
okay.
So
thanks
for
answering
those
questions
and
let
us
get
back
to
what
we
were
talking
about.
A
I
just
while
we
were
while
we
were
on
the
subject
of
kind
of
qa
and
stuff,
like
that.
I
just
thought
I
would
intro
peter
who
has
joined
us.
A
He
tagged
in
as
tyler
tagged
out,
and
so,
if
peter,
if
you
could
quickly
introduce
yourself
and
then
maybe
give
a
background
on
our
our
the
the
work
that
we've
done,
I
mean
it
would
be
really
interesting
for
you,
because
peter
has
been
working
on
the
the
government
kind
of
response
to
the
the
pandemic,
and
so
it
would
have
been
really
interesting
for
you
to
hear
some
of
the
stuff.
But
I
hope
you
caught
some
of
that
stuff
around
the
distributed
manufacturing
stuff
but
yeah.
H
Of
course,
of
course,
yeah
so
peter
brooke,
I
my
day,
job
is
leading
on
manufacturing
operations
in
deloitte
uk
part
of
the
supply
chain
practice
so
most
of
my
time
doing,
factory
improvement
or
factory
relocations
or
anything
to
do
with
the
operation
itself.
In
this
particular
instance,
I'm
I'm
the
responsible
person
as
far
as
the
mhra
are
concerned
for
the
production
of
the
devices.
H
So
where
we
started
probably
what
six
months
eight
months
ago
now
is
really
getting
our
manufacturing
up
to
a
standard
where
we
comply
with
the
mhra
and
and
eu
regulations,
and
that
we've
done
a
lot
of
work
to
get
that
together,
not
only
from
a
process
point
of
view,
but
from
a
records
point
of
view,
making
sure
that
we
are
complying
where
necessarily
with
the
rules
and
in
fact
we've
just
recently
had
legal.
H
You
know,
give
a
higher
level
review
of
what
we've
done
and
we
you
know,
and
that's
and
that's
gone
well.
So
yes,
so
that's
kind
of
what,
where
we
are.
I
heard
you
talking
earlier
about.
You
know
you
know
finding
somebody
to
sign
off
on
qa
and
what
have
you
really
as
far
as
mhra
are
concerned?
H
That's
what
they
call
the
responsible
person
as
an
accountable
person
and
a
responsible
person
formally
in
the
regulation
and
those
people
are
the
people
who
who
effectively
say
yes
and
no
in
most
cases
and
as
we
have
a
qa
process,
qa
checklist.
H
H
We
ask
the
patient's
consultant
doctor,
whoever
it
might
be
to
tell
us
what
that
device
needs
to
be.
We
add
the
patient's
own
requirements
and
what
we,
what
we
basically
have
done,
and
the
requirement
of
nhra
is
to
have
a
process
and
an
audible
process
where
you
can
track
right
right
right.
The
way
down
the
supply
chain
to
make
sure
that
what
was
requested
and
defined
in
the
first
place
is
what
was
delivered
and
performed.
C
I
see
that
I
interrupted
you.
My
question
is
you've
mentioned
that
you're
working
on
the
devices,
I'm
not
clear
whether
you're
working
on
the
whole
range
of
3d
crowd
devices,
whether
you
are
part
of
the
enable
prosthetic
team
at
deloitte.
A
Sorry
yeah
so
so
yeah
well,
you
could
yeah.
Peter
is
purely
focused
on
the
enable
stuff.
H
Yeah
purely
enable
at
the
moment
I
I
do
work
outside
of
that.
So
often
you
know
the
operations
work
that
I
do
may
be
in
a
farmer
setting
and
so
much
as
I
much
as,
of
course,
you
I
can't
represent
a
business
as
the
responsible
person
has
to
belong
to
that
business.
You
can
at
least
advise
and
and
and
help
with
process
improvement
to
ensure
that
they
comply
got
it.
A
And
so
yeah,
so
that
that's
that
has
been.
You
know,
as
we
say,
that's
kind
of
been
the
process
that
we've
gone
through.
We
we've
we've
tried
to
set
up
our
the
the
team
structure
and
the
the
way
in
which
we
now
kind
of
handle
requests
so
that
that
that
is
very
clear.
A
In
terms
of
that
that
you
know
so,
we
have
a
relationship
person
at
the
start,
who
is
responsible
for
getting
the
prescription
from
the
medical
practitioner
and
also
just
kind
of
discussing
with
the
I
think,
just
making
sure
that
that
that
an
enable
device
is
kind
of
the
right,
the
right
thing
for
them.
So
it's
all
those
initial
discussions
around
that
and
then
and
then
helping
them
to
register
on
the
enable
hub
and
to
and
to
get
those
prescriptions
in
place.
A
And
then
we've
got
someone
focusing
on
design
so
discussing
so
that
relationship
person
doesn't
necessarily
need
to
know
about
the
different
devices
available,
whereas
the
design
person
does
know
you
know
different
devices.
What
would
be
appropriate
for
different,
different,
different
things,
and
then
the
design
person
passes
it
on
to
a
maker
who
then
kind
of
manufactures
the
design
device
and
all
of
that
we're
managing
via
whatsapp
groups,
so
that
communication
all
happens
in
a
single
whatsapp
group
for
each
of
the
things.
A
It's
tracked
we're
tracking
it
on
well,
we
we
use
teams,
but
but
yeah
we're
tracking
it
on
teams
and
then
in
a
kind
of
spreadsheet,
to
track
it
as
well
plus
on
the
enable
hub
too
so
yeah
kind
of
everything
is
is
documented
on
the
enable
hub
as
well
so
that
so
that
kind
of
the
data
relating
to
it
so
measurements
and
all
that
stuff
is,
is
on
the
hub.
G
Yeah
somebody
mentioned
traceability
requirements
d.
When
it
comes
to
enable
devices,
do
you
guys
have
the
each
individual
device?
Does
it
need
to
be.
A
G
H
All
of
our
devices
are
made
under
the
custom
made
device
regulation
and
what
that
means
is
much
as
they
don't
need
to
be
c
marked.
What
they
do
need
to
be
is
serialized.
H
They
must
be
marked
as
a
custom-made
device
and
all
of
our
all
of
the
processes
and
and
materials
must
be
tracked
back
to
that
device.
So
each
device
we
make
has
a
serial
number.
We
can
track
back
every
of
every
piece
of
material
that
was
used
in
that
device
where
it
was
purchased
from
what
the
material
was.
G
So
say
I'm
making
a
hand
for
a
little
girl
we're
going
to
assign
a
serial
number
to
that
particular
device.
Does
that
does
that
serial
number
need
to
be
actually
3d
printed?
It.
H
Does
a
device,
or
does
it
get
it
does
indeed,
because,
because
you
must
be
able
to
identify
the
device
at
some
point
down
the
road.
What
that
also
means
which
comes
to
your
recycling
point
that
you
made
earlier
is
that
also
means
that
we
we
will
always
have
that
device
back
and
recycle
the
plastic?
What
we
don't
want
is
that
device
getting
out
into
a
public
domain
of
one
description
or
another.
You
know.
H
Yeah,
so
we
we've
now
got:
we've
now
got,
which
is
one
of
the
big
things
that
we
did
as
part
of
the
regulation
is
we,
we
created
a
master
bill
of
materials,
so
we
know
all
of
the
materials
we
use
in
all
devices
and
then
what
we
do
is
we
do.
We
we
create
an
as
built
bill
of
materials
and
has
built
bomb
so
that
when
we
refer
back
to
a
particular
device,
we
know
what
the
as
built
bomb
was
and
how
it
relates
to
the
master
bomb.
A
A
That
I
think
yeah
that
that's
been
kind
of
a
really
key
thing,
so
that,
to
be
honest,
that's
the
main
thing
that
we're
tracking
outside
of
the
enable
hub
is
that
stuff.
So,
basically,
the
serial
number
and
or
everything
associated
with
the
the
manufacturing
part
of
it,
and
I
mean
yeah.
I.
A
I
mean,
I
guess
something
that
we've
discussed
is
is
whether
those
were
I
guess.
If
those
were
things
that
were
added
to
the
enable
hub,
then
then
you
would
be
able
to
track
an
eu
compliant
device
just
by
having
them
as
kind
of
extra
fields
that
not
every
obviously
not
everyone
would
have
to
fill
in,
because
and
perhaps
you'd
only
expose
them.
If
you,
if,
if
it
was
clear
that
that
device
was
going
to
be
going
into
the
eu,
but
then
yeah.
G
And
that's
interesting
here.
You
know
it's
interesting
to
me
that
there's
a
significant
difference
that
I'm
seeing
between
3d
crowd
and
the
general
enable
population
here
is.
It
seems
that,
because
of
maybe
the
eu
regulations,
3d
crowd
has
had
to
step
into
this
position
of
being
sort
of.
You
know
a
management
entity
to
say
this
is
how
we're
going
to
do
things
if
you
want
to
be
a
member.
This
is
how
you
need
to
do
things.
You
need
to
follow
these
standards,
etc.
G
With
with
enable
you
know,
we've
always
operated
as
just
this
kind
of
a
loose
volunteer
community,
where
nobody's
really
in
charge
nobody's
imposing
any
kind
of
you
know,
rules
or
standards,
and
so
it's
been
more
difficult
for
us
to
achieve
that
level
of
you
know,
consistency
where
everyone
is
doing
things
in
exactly
the
same
way,
so
that
that's
that's
of
interest
to
me
is
how
do
you
you
know?
How
do
you
get
people
to
start
to
work
within
the
framework
of
a
a
standardized
system
like
this
and.
A
C
C
Quality
assured
manufacturing.
You
seem
to
be
working
off
of
the
same
playbook
yeah,
and
yet
it
is,
I
mean,
frankly,
it's
worlds
away
from
what
enable
in
general
has
done.
I
say
that
with
a
certain
amount
of
humility
and
embarrassment,
but
I'm
just
very
interested
in
what
you're
doing
and
yeah
I.
A
I
mean
I,
I
think
it
was
interesting-
the
discussion
that
we
were
having
last
week,
though
about
about
kind
of
chapters
and
stuff,
because
because
I
think
I
think
what
enable
has
done,
I
I
mean
you
know
so
so
we
wouldn't
exist
as
in
the
deloitte
entity-
wouldn't
exist
without
enable
so
I
mean
yeah.
A
Ultimately,
that's
your
you
and-
and
I
think
it's
that
I
think
potentially
what
we
talked
about
last
week
was
more
enable
kind
of
empowering
more
local
organizations
to
do,
because,
because
this
isn't
this
isn't
necessary
in
some
in
some
localities.
And
so
that's.
G
You
guys
have
specific
requirements
there
and
and
because
you're,
focusing
in
that
region,
you're
allowed
to
get
everybody
on
board.
With
that
you
know,
one
of
our
challenges
is,
you
know,
enable
is
global.
We've
got
people
in
you
know
150
countries
around
the
world
and,
like
you
said
not
all
of
them
have
the
same
requirements.
G
Not
all
of
them
have
the
same
sort
of
infrastructure
capabilities,
so
I
mean
is
that
is
that
what
this
is
sort
of
pointing
towards
is
that
we
need
to
work
on
developing
these
kind
of
standardization
frameworks
for
each
region
in
a
way
that's
appropriate
to
that
region.
Is
that
is
that
kind
of
what.
A
A
I
I
know
ben
was
about
to
say
something
but
and
just
quickly
I
would
say
I
mean
I
would
say
that
this
level
of
precision.
I
think
it's
a
good
aspiration
to
have,
and
I
think-
and
I
think
it's
not
a
bad
thing,
because
even
if
someone
looks
at
kind
of
this
level
of
precision
and
then
goes
70
of
the
way
there
that
that
I
think
will
mean
that
overall,
the
quality
of
the
devices
that
they're
manufacturing
will
will
kind
of
go
up.
So
I
I
I
sort
of
see
it
as
yes.
A
H
H
You
know
is
the
next
stage
on,
but
you
know,
for
example,
you
know
knowing
knowing
what
your
as
built
bomb
was.
You
you
at
least
know
what
was
in
that
device.
What
parts
you
use
where
they
came
from.
You
know
and
it
starts
to
give
you
it
starts
to
give
you
the
problem
and
really
understand
your
quality.
G
Yeah,
so
that's
a
good
point,
so
it's
almost
like
building
a
a
toolbox
that
has
different
components
that
people
can
then
kind
of
pick
and
choose
from
and
use
what's
appropriate
for
their
area.
So
maybe
they
they
use
some
of
the
traceability
aspects.
Maybe
they
use
some
of
the
you
know
the
qa
aspects
for
having
a
team
review
devices.
You
know
there's
different
components
to
this
and
it's
maybe
not
a
one
size
fits
all.
It's.
E
The
same
from
a
governance
perspective
as
well,
I
mean
from
3d
crowd.
We
could
very
very
easily
have
gone
in
a
very
different
direction
as
an
organization,
and
it
was
quite
by
chance
that
we
inherited
some
quite
strong-willed
people
who
had
worked
in
similar
organizations
to
deloitte's
as
consultants
or
or
I
also
came
from
consulting
backgrounds
where
we
were
used
to
kind
of
doing
things
in
a
very
very
certain
way,
and
because
we
were
quite
opinionated
anyway.
E
E
All
things
it's
very
dependent
on
the
project
that
you
run
and
my
experience
is
that,
like
some
projects,
especially
the
ones
that
that
have
significant
risks,
either
from
a
reputational
perspective
or
a
personal
level
or
whatever
they
will
require
governing
in
one
way,
which
naturally
includes
the
entire
engineering
and
logistics
process,
other
projects
can
be
significantly
looser,
more
relaxed
and
then
again,
when
you
get
into
the
geographical
things.
E
To
give
you
an
example,
project
tetra,
which
is
the
ventilator
splitter,
no
way
that
would
fly
in
the
states
and
it
probably
wouldn't
fly
in
the
uk
either.
Whereas
we
do
have
several
medical
professionals
in
the
states
who
are
actually
acting
as
subject
matter
experts
and
are
supporting
us
in
real
terms.
It
would
take
a
significant
cultural
shift
for
that
kind
of
item
to
be
accepted
and
approved,
and
it's
the
same
with
the
uk
as
a
developed
nation
with
significantly
risk
adverse
culture.
E
You
know
it
very
much
depends
on
the
geography
that
you
land
into,
if
that's
not
over
talking,
and
I
look
very
evil
in
my
you
know
my
my
thing.
There.
F
Can
I
just
ask
one
stupid
question:
absolutely,
okay,
do
you
guys
ever
modify
these
devices
after
the
point
of
manufacture.
G
Absolutely
it's
in
fact
fairly
common
for
there
to
be
modifications
at
the
point
of
delivery,
where,
in
an
ideal
situation,
we're
working
with
a
prosthetist
who
you
know,
while
they're
actually
fitting
the
device,
they
might
do
some
additional
thermal
forming
or
they
might
add
some
additional
strapping
or
something
like
that.
So
you're
you're
talking.
A
And
I
think
that's
what
we've
been,
I
think
that's
what
we've
been
forced
into,
I
mean
so,
interestingly,
safe
savage,
who
is,
is
part
of
this
group
and
presented
some
research
last
week.
Actually,
her
research
indicated
that
the
recipients
are
keener
for
that
type
of
relationship
and
that
when
that
relationship
isn't
in
place,
it
results
in
the
devices
getting
a
lot
less
use.
So
so,
actually,
I
think
that's
an
interesting
yeah
thing.
Yeah.
G
I
was
just
going
to
say:
that's
something
that
we're
really
trying
to
work
on
is
getting
more
of
the
kind
of
the
medical
professionals
involved
in
the
process
for
for
evaluation
and
fitting
as
well
as
follow-up,
but
it
it
does
dovetail
nicely
with
the
other
aspects
that
we've
talked
about
here.
With
regards
to
qa
and
tracking,
you
know
traceability
if,
if
we
looked
at
kind
of
combining
those,
I
think
they
support
one
another.
G
C
I
just
want
to.
I
just
want
to
clarify
the
factual
thing.
Dara
asked:
do
we
do
modifications
after
delivery?
The
answer
is
yes,
and
it's
almost
always
necessary.
It's
not
always
al
always
practiced.
B
C
B
C
G
F
And
make
it
all
traceable.
Okay,
in
theory,
no
see
basically.
G
B
A
Yeah,
I
think
I
think,
yeah
exactly
as
that
dara
says
I
think,
just
not
not
deviating
from
the
original
prescription,
so
so
yeah
it
can't.
It
can't
go
off
that
and
and
then
also
also
it
would
need
and
then
also
as
long
as
it's
documented
as
well.
I
think
you're,
I
think,
you're
good
a
lot
of
it's
about
a
lot
of
it's
about
the
the
documentation
piece,
but
I.
E
A
Do
yeah
and
I
I
do
think,
there's
well,
I
think
it's
go
just
quickly.
I
think
you
know
the
good
thing
is
we
certainly.
I
think
there
are
examples
already
of
of
chapters.
You
know
like
brazil
like
us
who
are
who
are
doing
this,
so
I
think
the
good
thing
is
it's
not
entirely.
It
wouldn't
entirely
be
like
having
to
you
know
kind
of
force,
this
change
onto
some
people,
I
think,
there's
exact,
plus
that
we
can
hopefully
build
up
a
you
know,
build
up
these
examples
which
I
think
well.
G
Yeah
you're
right
these
these
example
sort
of
chapters
you
are
very
important
for
helping
to
you
know,
move
these
best
practices
forward
with
other
regions,
but
that's
usually
all
about
documentation.
So
that
leads
into
the
next
question
here.
You
guys
have
kind
of
walked
us
through
a
very
robust
system
for
ensuring
quality,
traceability,
etc.
G
Do
you
have
these
standards
documented
sort
of
start
to
finish
of
how
this
whole
process
works,
and
is
that
something
you
can
share
with
us.
A
Yeah
we
do
so
yeah,
we
do
so
that
we
have
them
for
the.
I
think
I
guess
we
do
have
the
documents
for
for
the
visor
production
as
well.
We
must
have
those
which
I
guess
will
also
be
of
interest.
It
would.
A
G
G
Time
to
digest
that
and
discuss
what
we've
heard
today,
as
well
as
reviewing
the
document,
then
maybe
we
could
regroup.
Have
you
guys
come
back
and
join
us
again?
I
don't
know
in
a
few
weeks
or
so
and
and
have
some
further
discussion,
because
I
know
there's
a
lot
more
to
talk
about,
but
maybe
give
us
some
time
to
review
the
documentation
and
compare
notes
internally
and
then
we
can
have
have
this
group
back
for
some
further
discussion.
A
Yeah
cool
I'll
I'll
I'll
I'll
check
with
the
yeah
I'll
check
with
the
team
and
then
and
share
that
and
I'll
share
that
with
the
3d
crowd
group
as
well.
G
Joining
us
really
really
appreciate.
A
G
A
Excited
to
see
this
connection
happening
between
well
my
day,
job
and
non-day
job,
so
guys.
B
C
B
C
I
have
sort
of
a
peripheral
follow-up
question.
Yeah,
I'm
gonna
suggest
that
we
declare
the
meeting
over.
That
was
really
just
incredible,
but
if
you
can
stick
around
for
a
minute,
I
have
a
side
question.
C
To
what
extent
is
this,
this
3d
crowd
restricting
itself
to
3d?
I'm
asking
I'm
asking
for
a
friend,
jeremy,
and
I
are
involved
in
another
project
involving
ppe,
some
of
which
is
as
it
has
happened,
has
evolved
into
a
3d
printing
free
fabrication
situation
yeah.
I.
G
C
C
Quality
assurance,
as
well
as
distributed
manufacturing
as
well
as
liability
control
as
well
as
confidence
building.
These
are
all
issues
we
are
struggling
with,
so
so
there's
there's
that
question.
C
I
also
just
want
to
say
out
loud
that,
while
I
am
very
eager
to
see
your
documentation
so
that
we
can
talk
about
it,
I
don't
believe
that
that
traditional
enable
is
ever
going
to
duplicate
the
kind
of
rigor
that
emerged
from
a
bunch
of
deloitte
people
and
industrialists,
and
so
I
would
be
very
interested
in
understanding
how
we
can
piggyback
on
your
expertise,
rather
than
have
to
recreate
it.
There's.
C
Miracles
that
I
don't
understand
in
in
what
you've
achieved,
okay,
so
that
one
we
get
to
talk
about
in
the
future.
The
question
that
I
have
put
on
the
table
is:
is
it
just
3d,
printing
or
would,
for
example,.
E
So
I
can,
I
can
answer
that
question.
Quite
simply,
I've
made
no
secret
that
strategically
the
move
for
our
organization
would
be
moving
into
like
maker
technologies
generally
because
it
it
kind
of
makes
sense
an
awful
lot
of
the
same
kind
of
personalities.
Don't
just
go
into
one.
E
You
may
as
well
look
at
them
all,
and
I
firmly
believe
that
an
awful
lot
of
these
maker
technologies
are
coming
of
age
in
the
sense
that
they
are
moving
out
of,
shall
we
say,
hobbyists
and
kind
of
basement
tinkerers
into
a
point
where
they're
actually
becoming
viable
things,
that
the
average
person
could
pick
up
and
use,
and
so
I
think,
with
with
that
in
mind,
there's
no
doubt
that
we
will
look
into
wider
maker
technologies.
E
There
was
a
lull
when
everyone
kind
of
thought.
You
know,
we've
done
it.
You
know
great
cover's
over
by
christmas.
Everything
is
great
and
obviously
a
lot
of
people
were
hammering
ridiculous
hours.
You
know
this
this
entire
organization,
while
quality
was
exceptionally
important.
E
E
C
I
would
like
to
brief
you
guys
on
the
work
that
jeremy
and
ben
and
I
and
others
have
been
doing
on
what
has
turned
out
to
be
three
different
approaches
to
clear
face,
masks
which
I
think
are
quite
important
both
for
clinicians
and
for
normalizing,
the
mask
wearing,
which
apparently
is
not
going
away
anytime
soon.
C
So
I
would
like
to
brief
you
on
that
and
then
see.
If
there's
a
way
we
can
work
together,
because
I'm
very
very
pleased
and
impressed
with
what
you've
done.
E
F
D
No,
no
sorry
dog
very
quickly,
just
an
amendment
to
what
andy
was
saying
is.
We
are
actually
we're
looking
for
that
need
in
order
to
necessitate
and
drive
and
target
exactly
technologies.
D
One
of
the
things
we
are
just
literally
about
to
try
next
week
is
reaching
out
certain
communities,
and
we've
got
an
appointment
with
imagination,
factory
and
engineering
company
about
10
or
20
people
in
the
uk,
who
have,
as
fashion
a
number
of
days,
set
aside
for
their
staff
for
their
own
endeavors
or
charitable
endeavors
and
they're,
looking
to
see
how
we
might
work
together,
particularly
on
the
disaster
relief
initially.
D
But
that
is
a
route
of
engagement
and
bringing
in
not
only
makeup
but
professional
maker
services
as
well
to
enable
and
empower
other
people
who
are
interested
field,
but
just
simply
lack
all
the
all
the
tools
of
the
box
as
it
were.
C
Sure,
okay,
so
we
will
follow
up
on
this
just
fyi,
I
think
the
sweet
spot.
I
think
the
sweet
spot
in
the
array
of
things
we've
done
may
involve
vacuforming,
which
is
a
relatively
similar
technological
acquisition
for
makers
as
a
3d
printer
is.
C
And
so
it
might
be
a
good
transitional
object
for
the
record.
We
have
aspired
to
go
beyond
3d
printed
prospects
for
a
long
time
and
I've
almost
given
up
on
doing
it,
we're
sort
of
so
well
defined
as
what
we
are
that
it's
not
clear
whether
enable
per
se
is
going
to
have
that
a
community
of
people
who
are
that
broadly
committed,
but
enables
research
and
development
people
that
would
include
us
have
done.
F
F
You
know
it
used
to
be.
You
know,
abs,
trimmer
line.
That
was
what
everybody
printed
and
now
polypropylenes
polycarbonates
bearing
material
ceramics,
even
even
metals-
and
you
know,
the
the
cost
of
laser
cutters
is
continually
in
decline.
I
saw
a
9
watt
laser,
which
is
perfectly
appropriate
for
about
80
quid
and
it's
it's
yeah.
I
I'm
really
keen
to
look
at
these
3d
printed
injection
molds
that
you
can
really
drive
down
the
cost
of
these
injection
molds.
Yes,
injection
molds
are
really
expensive,
because
the
engineering.
C
G
D
Forward
to
it,
yeah
be
very
interested
in
the
vac
forming
as
well,
actually,
particularly
for
our
for
our
deadlock.