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From YouTube: e-NABLE SPC Meeting - December 11, 2020
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B
B
B
A
D
D
D
A
B
Okay
sounds
good.
I
still
have
an
action
time
to
create
a
simplified
form
for
people
seeking
a
device,
and
I
haven't
done
this
yet
I
started
to
work
on
it
today,
but
I
didn't
get
it
done
and
then
we'll
have
to
think
about
how
to
incorporate
this
into
our
process.
So
I'm
gonna
leave
it
on
here.
I
still
think
it's
probably
worth
doing
it's
just
not
done
yet
ben.
Have
you
reached
out
to
teachers
pay
teachers
to
ask
about
an
api.
C
B
D
D
C
D
C
B
A
A
So
here's
what
I
got
there's
a
mission
promote
the
development
provision
by
volunteers
of
open
source
assistive
technologies
to
benefit
underserved
populations
around
the
world.
There's
the
code
of
conduct
which
I
did
not
insert
but
which
would
go
here
and
then
there's
a
bunch
of
propositions,
which
you
know
the
real
question
is.
A
B
B
It's
a
good
point
and
we've
been
wanting
to
update
the
code
of
conduct
for
quite
a
while.
We
started
on
it
a
while
back.
I
think
what
you
have
here.
Everything
I'm
looking
over
and
seeing
here
looks
like
great
stuff
to
sort
of
weave
into
the
code
of
conduct,
because
otherwise
I
mean
the
code
of
conduct
is
a
somewhat
lengthy
document.
B
A
B
A
Okay,
so
then
there's
the
question
of
a
recommended
license.
We
got
some
advice
recently
from
the
guy
from
formerly
from
oshawa.
I
think
it's
actually
something
a
hardware
license
right,
open
source
hardware
license
that
we
applied
to
the
be
mask,
but
we
should
review
the
recommended
license.
Question.
B
B
B
A
B
So
this
is
a
tricky
section.
I
don't
know
that
I
know
the
right
answer,
but
when
it
comes
to
charging
money
for
these
devices,
I
we're
trying
to
find
a
way
of
laying
this
out
here
to
carve
a
pathway
for
people
that
want
to
do
that.
I
it
still
makes
me
feel
uncomfortable.
I
just
I
feel,
like
you
know,
there's
that
one
line
in
here
about
you
know
be
aware
that
participating
in
monetary
transactions
can
trigger
serious
regulatory,
legal
and
financial
obligations.
B
Well,
the
problem
is
it's
not
just
the
risk
isn't
just
to
the
individual
charging
the
money.
The
risk
is
to
the
whole
community
as
soon
as
we
have
a
few
individuals
that
start
charging
for
3d
printed
prosthetics,
the
liability
isn't
just
for
that
person.
It's
for
all
of
us.
It
brings
attention
on
the
community
on
what
we're
doing
and
it
could
impact
all
of
us
just
because
one
or
two
people
decide
they
want
to
try
to
make
money
off
of
this.
B
So
it
still
is
something
that
just
kind
of
makes
me
uncomfortable
and,
I
think,
could
have
some
negative
impacts
on
our
community.
I
just
don't
know
how
to
manage
that.
I
mean
I
don't
want
to
say
I
mean,
like
you
said,
I
mean
makers
have
to
make
a
living,
they
have
to
earn
money,
but
it's
something
I
struggle
with.
I
don't
know
what
the
right.
D
B
Right
because
the
problem
is
we've
flown
under
the
radar
for
the
most
part
of
all
of
the
regulatory
authorities
and
government
authorities
as
soon
as
money
comes
into
the
equation,
that's
where
it
gets
into
their
radar
as
soon
as
they
see
their
money.
As
being
you
know,
is
trading
hands
for
what
could
be
considered
a
medical
device.
D
C
B
We've
talked
about
that
before
the
idea
of
you
know
charging
for
your
time
as
a
designer
or
charging
for
your
time
as
somebody
putting
the
device
together,
but
not
charging
for
the
device
itself
that
helps
to
limit
liability.
The
problem
again
has
been
alluded
to
is
that
it's
going
to
be
different
in
every
region.
Different
countries
are
going
to
handle
this
differently
in
one
area,
you
know
it,
it
might
be.
You
know,
frowned
upon
to
to
to
even
charge
for
the
the
services
without
being
properly
licensed
and
whatnot.
D
C
That's
a
great
point.
You
know
jeremy's,
but
jeremy's
point
also
about
you,
know
the
licensing,
that's
actually
an
asset.
You
know
if
we
basically
say
hey
if
you're
charging
for
physical
therapy,
you
need
a
license
in
your
country.
You
need
to
be
qualified
to
do
that
and
we
don't
want
people
that
aren't
qualified
doing
that.
You
know
that,
like
bob
said
it
could
be
something
that
could
be
an
asset
if
we,
if
we
lean
into
it
right.
B
Well,
I
guess
what
I
would
we've
talked
about
this
part
of
it
too,
before
what
I
would
feel
better
about
is
don't
sell
devices,
don't
even
sell
your
time
making
devices,
but
instead,
if
you
need
to
have
a
monetary,
you
know
aspect
to
this:
invite
donations
to
support
making
additional
devices
for
other
people.
So
if
I'm
making
a
hand
for
somebody,
I
could
invite
them
to
provide
a
donation
of
100
bucks
or
whatever
it
is
to
support
making
additional
devices
for
other
people.
B
D
B
Well,
I
mean
look
at
look
at
matt
botel.
I
think
he's
a
good
example
of
somebody
that
decided
he
really
wanted
to
focus
on
this
and
make
it
a
full-time
pursuit,
but
he's
done
it
by
going
out
and
getting
funding
he's
gotten
organizations
to
sponsor
him
and
he's
got
money
coming
in.
He
doesn't
sell
devices.
He
gives
them
away
for
free.
He
gets
his
money
through.
You
know,
through
donations
and
sponsorships.
A
C
I
mean
as
a
as
a
comparison
ahmad
in
syria
has
a,
I
think,
a
really
successful
business
and
he's
championing
the
free
design
and
distribution
of
devices.
So,
as
far
as
I
understand,
he's
doing
sort
of
architecture,
firm
models
and
and
all
that
kind
of
stuff
on
the
side,
that's
what
is
in
paying,
for
you
know,
probably
his
utilities
and
all
that
kind
of
stuff.
Along
with
you
know,
government
grants
and
that
kind
of
stuff
I
mean,
I
think
the
chapter
spotlights
are
the
the
opportunities
to
define
these
different
models.
C
How
are
people
doing
it
and
it's
different?
You
know,
like
jeremy,
said
it's
not
a
single
recipe,
it's
it's
a
whole
book
of
recipes
and
you
know
having
those
models
out
there
for
people
to
emulate
and
learn
from,
without
necessarily
saying
that.
There's
this
way
or
that
way
to
do
it,
I
think,
could
be
well.
A
A
A
According
to
guidelines,
we're
trying
to
specify
which
I
will
tag
with
me,
although
I'm
not
sure
I
agree
with
it,
but
it's
the
one.
I
tried
to
write
down
as
a
way
of
putting
those
boundaries
in
place.
There's
no
question
that
there's
a
range
and
that
our
organizational
our
mission,
ben's
mission
in
particular,
is
to
highlight
all
the
different
ways
this
happens.
A
D
B
It
could
be
lumio,
but
I
think
the
hub
is
probably
a
better
place
to
get
engagement
discussion
going.
I
think
we
should
write
this
up
and
let
let
the
community
know
this
is
something
we're
struggling
with.
What
are
your
thoughts
and,
let's
see
what
other
people
are
thinking,
because
I
think
there's
a
lot
of
different
opinions
on
this.
I
I've
made
my
opinion
clear.
I
I
feel
uncomfortable
about
introducing
money
into
the
equation.
I
think
it
tends
to
ruin
things.
D
D
C
Well,
and
and
people
are,
you
know
the
questions
that
you
asked
earlier
about
of
all
of
them.
What
are
we,
I
think
is,
is
maybe
the
most
relevant
is
you
know
what
what
are
people
actually
doing,
and
what
parts
of
that
do?
We
want
to
focus
on
as
being
sort
of
the
the
bridges
between
people
and
part
of
this
network.
C
I
mean
there's
qualities
that
you
know
there
could
be
things
outside
of
what
is
part
of
the
scope
of
this
community,
that
people
are
doing
and
that's
okay,
but
sort
of
shifting
the
focus
of
just
what
supports
the
the
larger
community
and
it
does
seem,
like
you
know,
open
source.
I
mean,
if
you
think,
about
actually
john's
presentation
in
the
pointer.
C
What
what
is
it
that
enable
does?
Well
it's
in
between
these
different
traditional
organizations
as
sort
of
the
safety
net.
You
know,
maybe
that
would
be
a
a
place
to
sort
of
consider
on
the
philosophical
side
of
it
is
just.
What
can
we
do,
that
other
traditional
organizations
aren't
doing
and
and
working
on,
defining
that
the
undefinable
parts,
maybe
I'm
being
too
big?
D
It
just
seems
to
me
again
some
of
my
earlier
comments.
You
know
we.
What
I've
perceived
from
my
time
with
enable
is
that
it
is
as
much
an
experiment
at
a
unusual
structure
that
has
been
very
successful.
We
think
as
it
is,
what
is
our
mission
of
delivering
whatever
or
satisfying
whatever,
and
there
are
pros
and
cons
to
this
experiment?
D
The
pro
is
the
very
experiment
itself,
this
duocracy
right,
the
cons
are.
We
have
no
idea
how
many
volunteers
we
have.
We
have
no
idea
how
many
devices
are
delivered.
We
have
no
idea
what
people's
experiences
are
and
we
think
there's
thousands
there's
eight
thousand
there's
twenty
thousand
is
fifteen
000
I
mean
and
then
at
the
end
of
it
all,
since
we
don't
even
have
a
membership
role,
we
don't
know
who's
where
who's
doing
what
and
we're
trying
to
control
this.
C
A
A
I
harbor
the
hope
that
some
of
the
emerging
designs-
frankly,
I
think
the
nyop
system-
and
maybe
the
kinetic
design-
are
things
that
with
that,
could
eventually
become
part
of
the
professional
prosthetists
toolkit,
and
I
I
would
feel
good
about
that.
If
our
devices
were
becoming
good
enough,
that
it
became
a
good
option
for
them.
Well,
they
operate
under
a
model
that.
D
D
D
D
They
are
the
areas
where
there
are
people
who
walk
into
their
clinics
or
their
workshops,
hands-on,
ahmad
in
syria,
hands
on
and
get
fitted
and
then
followed
up
and
everything
else.
That's
where
the
success
is
the
success
is.
If
I
look
at
the
26
devices
I
delivered
I'll
bet
you,
none
of
them
are
being
used
full
time
a
year
later
or
half
a
year
later.
D
A
I
have
a
couple
of
points
to
make
in
response
to
that,
and
you
know
I
see
this
discussion
as
sort
of
memorializing
our
current
thinking,
fuzzy
or
not
on
these
topics.
Yeah.
The
first
comment
is
I'll
remind
you
that
there
is
a
russian
corporation,
partly
funded
by
the
russian
government,
which
is
delivering
metal,
3d
printed
devices
derived
from
the
phoenix
hand
and
others
in
the
country.
A
D
A
A
B
Just
it
I
mean
it's,
it's
very
much,
a
part
of
our
dna
every
time
I
you
know
talk
to
somebody
who
knows
nothing
about
enable,
and
I
I'm
explaining
what
we
do.
I
say
enable
is
a
volunteer
community
that
produces
3d
printed
prosthetic
devices
free
of
charge
for
people
who
need
them.
That
free
of
charge
thing
is
always
part
of
my
description
of
enable,
because
I
think
it's
an
important
aspect
of
who
we
are
of
what
this
community
represents.
B
A
B
Well,
no,
I'm
kind
of
talking
more
about
like.
If
we
look
up
here,
you
talk
about
how
makers
have
financial
needs
makers
may
sell
their
services
to
those
who
can
afford
them?
It's
that
charging
of
money
thing
I
don't.
Disagree
makers
have
financial
needs.
I
question
whether
enable
is
the
right
place
to
look
to
fill
those
financial
needs,
because
I
I
keep
coming
back
to
you
know,
john.
B
So
many
times
I've
seen
the
presentations
that
you
give
and
there's
usually
a
slide
that
presents
maslow's
hierarchy
of
needs
and
it
talks
about
how
you
know
what
what's
unique
about
this
community
is
that
we've
got
a
group
of
people
that
we've
addressed
our
basic
needs.
We've
got
a
a
roof
over
our
heads.
We've
got
food
on
the
table.
You
know,
we've
got
our
bases
covered
now
we
can
focus
on
helping
others
that
don't
have
those
basic
needs
addressed.
B
So
to
me,
it
was
always
kind
of
fundamental
in
that
you
know,
philosophy
that
the
people
making
this
happen
for
the
most
part,
we've
got
our
needs
covered
and
we're
trying
to
do
something.
You
know
to
help
those
who,
don't
and
and
to
start
charging
money
and
to
make
this
into
a
business
and
a
way
of
making
money
just
goes
against
that.
To
me.
A
No,
I
know
I
know,
but
I'm
not
even
trying
to
change
in
this
respect,
I'm
not
trying
to
change
the
character
of
enable
I'm
trying
to
say.
But
look
you
know
that
our
designs,
our
designs,
are
going
to
go
outside
of
what
you
have
correctly
accurate
described
as
sort
of
the
essence
of
enable
do.
We
want
to
say
anything
about
that.
It
is
an
inevitable
consequence
of
what
we're
doing
our
designs
are
out
there
they're
going
to
go
out
they're
going
to
get
adopted.
A
Some
people
are
going
to
be
doing
things.
We
already
know
that
some
people
do
monetary
are
engaging
transactions
about
them.
It
could
be
that
we
simply
want
a
statement
to
say
to
the
extent
the
devices
are
are
charged
for
we
disavow
any
interest,
responsibility
or
involvement,
or
you
could
say
our
devices
must
not
be
used
for
those
purposes.
Well,.
B
I
mean
that's
the
problem,
I
don't
think
we
can
talk
about
our
devices
right
there
enable
doesn't
have
any
devices,
it's
a
whole
bunch
of
individual
designers,
each
of
which
own
their
own
licenses
and
they
choose.
You
know
some
of
them
might
be
open
source.
You
know
creative
commons,
non-commercial,
others
might
be.
You
know
creative
commons
without
the
non-commercial
clause.
You
know,
there's
all
these
different
licenses.
B
We
don't
own
that
each
designer
owns
those
licenses.
So
I
think
all
we
can
say
is
respect
the
licenses
follow
the
licenses.
If
it's
a
non-commercial
license,
you
can't
sell
it
period.
You
know
there
might
be
another
design
that
doesn't
have
that
restriction
right
as
long
as
you're
operating
within
the
guidelines
of
that
license.
I
think
you
know
that's
the
key,
but
I
think
on
top
of
that,
we
can
say
as
soon
as
you
start
charging.
A
C
C
It's
not
something
where
it's
intended
to
be
a
replacement
for
these,
these
sort
of
more
institutionalized
devices,
but
it
is
something
that
fills
in
some
kind
of
unique,
missing
piece
and
I
think,
maybe
thinking
about
enable,
as
like
jeremy
said
a
community,
not
you
know
not
a
traditional
entity
but
sort
of
this
network
and
something
that
is
aimed
at
filling
in
these
and
bridging
across
to
these
more
sort
of
traditional
systems
like
selling
devices.
But
that's
still
outside.
That's
the
other
side
of
the
bridge.
That's
not
what
sort
of
defines.
D
It's
a
good
comment.
You
know
personally,
if
I
really
sit
and
think
about
what
do
I
feel
I'm
doing,
I
don't
over
think
the
impact.
I
don't
make
a
device
saying
they're
going
to
use
this
the
rest
of
their
life
until
they
grow
out
of
it.
What
I
see
is
whether
it's
an
ewc
case
or
a
help
desk
ticket,
which
is
usually
where
my
involvement
personally
comes
in.
D
I
see
a
need,
there's
a
need.
At
the
moment,
a
person
is
hurting,
usually
a
parent
who's
feeling
guilty
that
their
child
was
born
this
way
or
an
adult
that
is
suddenly
facing
an
amputation,
and
they
see
us
as
a
potential
solution
and
the
fact
that
I
can
make
something
that
for
a
moment
gives
them
some
hope,
maybe
will
work
for
them.
They'll
find
some
way
to
use
it,
whether
it's
100
of
the
time
or
10
percent
of
the
time.
D
B
A
B
At
least
some
of
it
yeah,
I
I
feel
like
we
should.
When
we
talk
about
charging
for
devices
or
services,
we
should
have
a
cautionary
tone
while
not
outright.
You
know
banning
it.
We
should
say
you
know
something
to
the
effect
of.
We
strongly
recommend
that
our
members
avoid
this
and
that,
if
you
do
decide
to
go
down
this
path
of
charging
money
that
I
I
I
think
the
best
we
can
say
is
that
that
is
no
longer
than
under
the
umbrella
of
enable.
B
A
A
A
C
You
know
ernest
hemingway
has
some
kind
of
a
quote
about
iceberg
prose,
as
when
you
write
something
you
know,
seven
eighths
of
the
things
that
aren't
said
are
communicated
and
and
really
important.
You
know
those
absences
are
the
most
important
parts
of
the
story,
so
you
know
thinking
about
that.
The
things
that
we
don't
say
are
important
and
also
still
shareable,
so,
like
the
chapter
spotlights
we're
sharing
all
sorts
of
things
that
are
outside
of
traditional,
enable
focus,
we're
talking
about
research,
partnerships
that
they're
doing
with
institutions.
C
We're
talking
about
government
grants,
we're
talking
about
business,
that
they're
doing
like
the
vr
projects.
That
rodrigo
is
doing
with
his
chapter.
All
that
stuff
can
be
connected
in,
but
around
this
ingredient.
That's
common
and
the
common
ingredient
is
devices
are
also
being
used
that
are
open
source
and
that
will
work
as
volunteer.
D
A
Go
there
you
go
so
another
reason
I
was
moved
to
sketch.
This
was
because
we
got
yet
another
query.
I
think
this
one
well,
it
came
from
someone
we
know
saying
it
looks
like
these
guys
are
charging
for
their
devices
shouldn't.
We
do
something
about
this,
and
this
happens.
You
know
it
happens
on
a
regular
basis
that
we
get
a
query
like
that.
A
C
A
B
And
we
send
them
the
enable
code
of
conduct
they're
just
going
to
say.
Well,
I'm
not.
I
don't
consider
myself
part
of
enable.
I
don't
have
to
follow
that.
You
know
I.
I
think
the
letter
would
have
to
reference
the
specific
design
being
made.
So
if
they're,
making
phoenix
v2
hands,
we'd
have
to
have
a
letter
that
says
the
phoenix
v2
design
includes
a
such
and
such
license,
and
it's
been
brought
to
our
attention
that
you're
operating
outside
of
the
boundaries
of
that
license,
et
cetera,
et
cetera.
C
A
B
B
We
we
have
had
a
a
huge
amount
of
success
as
a
community
we've
been
able
to
make
a
big
impact,
and
that's
because
we've
been
doing
this
free
of
charge,
we've
been
giving
these
things
away
charitably
when
an
organization
like
yours
starts
charging
money
for
these
things
it
puts
our
whole
community
at
risk
and
what
we're
doing
and
basically
just
try
to
put
it
to
them
like
that.
Like
look,
maybe
you
didn't
mean
anything
malicious
by
this,
but
what
you're
doing
is
putting
our
whole
community
at
risk.
D
B
D
A
A
D
B
I
think
so,
but
I
do
think
proper
strategy,
but
I
do
think
you
have
some
good
points
here,
john,
so
maybe
as
an
action
item.
I
should
try
to
kind
of
weave
these
points
into
our
existing
code
of
conduct.
A
lot
of
these
things
are
already
in
the
code
of
conduct,
but
some
of
them
aren't
so
I
could
kind
of
do
a
point
for
point
comparison
and
add
in
the
items
that
aren't
in
there,
with
the
exception
of
the
section
about
charging
money.
B
B
A
B
D
A
A
C
C
Well,
yeah:
let's,
let's
set
up
a
different
session
for
it,
but
I
do
think
the
project
that
I've
been
running
on
working
with
with
all
you
guys
was
aimed
at
being
a
model,
and
it's
something
that
I
think
I
would
love
to
see
if,
by
the
end
of
this
contract
or
shortly
thereafter,
it
could
be
set
up
in
a
way.
So
it's
not
at
risk.
I
think
I've
been
able
to
work
on
some
things
that
definitely
seem
like
they
are
very
useful
for
the
community.
C
Some
of
the
different
things
that
we've
tried-
some
of
them
are
currently
active.
Some
are
sort
of
gaining
a
little
bit
of
dust,
but
I
think
heads
or
tails,
it's
it's
a
role.
It
seems
like
it
could
be
really
useful,
but
having
that
compete
with
the
other
research
and
development
funding
doesn't
seem
like
it's
the
best.
B
C
No,
I
I
understand
yeah.
I
guess
I
just
recognize
that
there
is
a
lot
of
misconceptions
around
enable
as
a
traditional
organization
which
it's
not,
and
I
think,
there's
also
been
even
within
some
of
the
people
that
have
been
involved
in
grants
through
the
lumia
process.
There's
been
some
misconceptions
about
sort
of
full-time
positions
or
even
permanent
positions,
and
I
think,
having
a
permanent
position.