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From YouTube: e-NABLE SPC Meeting, September 20, 2019
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This is a recording of the e-NABLE Strategic Planning Committee meeting for Friday, September 20, 2019.
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A
Well,
I
think:
let's
go
ahead
and
get
started
and
if
others
join
that's
fine,
but
we
can
always
start
going
through
things
here.
So
I'm
recording
and
we'll
share
this
with
the
community
a
little
bit
later
and
we'll
just
go
through
our
action
items
real
quick
here.
So
the
first
one
was
for
John
to
finish
working
on
importing
historical
posts.
I
know
you
didn't
have
time
to
get
to
that
this
week.
Right
no
problem
next,
one!
Actually,
the
next
two
or
four
bends
we'll
come
back
to
those.
A
If
he's
able
to
join
us,
I
had
a
couple
of
action
items
here
which
I
did
not
get
to
this
week
either,
which
was
to
embed
Bob's
device
evaluation
spreadsheet
into
the
hub
and
to
create
a
Google
Form
for
people
to
provide
their
input
into
that
I
will
get
to
those.
This
is
an
extraordinarily
busy
week
for
me,
so
it
might
be.
You
know
the
week
or
so
before.
I
can
do
that.
A
There
are
you
nice.
Hopefully
we
can
get
some
good
engagement
there,
yeah
I'm
hopeful
that
having
a
more
collaborative
space
will
kind
of
get
people
to
you
know,
contribute
a
little
more
we'll
see
and
then
the
last
one
was
for
me
to
email,
ed
Gregg
at
Deloitte,
to
ask
for
a
status
update.
I
did
do
that
and
I
heard
back
from
him.
He
said
that
he
and
Ryan
are
back
in
action
and
they
are
putting
together
an
update
for
us
which
I
haven't
received
yet,
but
I
should
have
that
soon.
B
Well,
as
my
action
item
indicated,
I
am,
I
worked
on
updating
the
customization
space
and
we've
got
some
good
dialogue,
going,
can't
Allison
out
of
mountain
Vista,
High
School
outside
Denver
and
has
his
class
working
on
devices.
Thank
you
for
the
link
Jeremy
that
I
forwarded
to
him
and
he's
downloading
and
converting
as
he
as
he
sees
fit.
I'll
start
uploading
this
week,
one
or
two
difficult.
B
He
W
see
cases
that
require
customization
I've
continued
working
with
Sean
Matheson
on
a
case,
it's
actually
a
double
trans,
humeral,
amputee
and
I
connected
him
with
Nate
and
he's
joined
the
team.
So
that's
an
e
WC
case,
I!
Guess
I'm
doing
my
ninth
case
now,
where
I'm
working
with
a
young
man
out
in
Phoenix
in
he
it's
a
hand
for
a
child
in
Phoenix.
B
B
We
have
a
hundred
and
fifty
nine
cases
that
are
successfully
finished.
A
hundred
and
twenty
four
devices
delivered
it's
going
along.
You
know
it's
the
same
old
thing:
we
we
need
people
to
upload
photos,
we
need
new
cases,
we
need
people
to
communicate
better
but
and
yeah
I'm.
Sorry,
the
Pro,
Cup
John.
Sorry.
B
B
To
say,
yeah
someday,
somehow
a
an
index
of
ongoing
activity
might
be
how
many
cases
made
progress.
I,
don't
know
how
we
would
get
it,
but
but
the
statistics
that
we
do
do
don't
actually
give
us
a
set
some
movements
so
much
as
snapshot.
There
is
a
there's,
a
concept
to
speed
in
there.
So
it's
just
something
to
happen.
Fine,
that's
a
good
idea!
John
now
on
any
given
weekly
basis,
its
kind
of
watching
grass
grow.
You
know,
you
know
you
don't
see
the
the
chain
angry
and
easily.
It's
almost
a
monthly
basis.
A
That's
John
Riis
is
a
good
point
that
I
can
bring
that
up
with
the
developers,
because
that's
something
that
we
could
do
on
a
coding
level.
So
you
know
every
case
progresses
through
a
series
of
steps,
and
so
we
could
basically
assign
a
you
know
a
percentage
of
completion
for
each
case
and
monitor
how
those
are
moving
forward
and
how
many
have
progressed
each
week.
So
that's
that's
something
we
could
track
on
an
automated
basis.
If
we,
if
we
had
some
code
for
that
so
I'll
discuss
with
them.
You.
B
Know
that's
a
good
idea,
I
wonder
if
part
of
that,
combining
both
your
ideas
if
we
instituted
a
feature
that
was
kind
of
like
a
ledger
and
every
week
the
case
creators
or
the
or
the
volunteers
received
an
email
saying.
Please
update
your
case
and
they
have
to
make
a
comment
or
they're
encouraged
that
you
can't
force
them.
Obviously,
you're
encouraged
to
make
a
comment
on
some
regular
basis.
Just
so
you
can
see
a
written
record
of
what's
proceeding.
Yeah.
B
A
A
A
Well,
I
mean
part
of
that
was
just
before
you
did
all
the
cleanup
I
mean
we
had
a
lot
of
cases
in
there
that
just
you
know
we're
test
cases,
or
you
know
they
they
weren't
going
anywhere,
and
so
a
lot
of
that
was
just
kind
of
you
know
false
data
and
need
to
be
cleaned
up.
Okay,
but
then
you
know
I
think
the
activity
level
is
has
shifted
to
you
know
right,
I.
Think
part
of
the
challenge
we
have,
as
we
know,
is
that
there
aren't
enough
cases
available
right
now
for
volunteers.
A
You
know
the
cases
that
we
do
have
most
of
the
you
know.
Easier
ones
have
already
been
staffed
and
I
think
as
volunteers.
You
know
when
you
log
in,
and
you
see
that
there
are
many
cases
available.
Well,
you're,
less
likely
to
you,
know
log
in
frequently
you
know
and
use
it.
So
you
know
our
challenge
is
to
get
more
people
requesting
devices.
In
other
words,
we
need
to
publicize
the
platform.
A
If
we
get
more
people
requesting
devices
through
the
platform,
then
I
think
we'll
see
more
volunteers
using
it
because
they'll
know
there's
actually
cases
there
for
them,
so
that
all
kind
of
hinges
on
the
work
you
know
our
friends
at
Deloitte
are
doing.
You
know
once
we
have
their
recommendations
for
design
and
usability
improvements.
You
know
we're
hoping
to
incorporate
those,
and
the
plan
was
to
then
do
some
publicity
once
we've
made
those
improvements
to
try
to
get
the
word
out
there
about
enable
web
central.
So
that's
the
idea.
A
A
Cases
sure
yeah
we
get
those
all
the
time.
I
mean
I.
Think
that
the
challenge
is
the
same
that
we
just
outlined.
We
need
to
you
know,
do
publicity
I
was
holding
off
on
doing
that,
because
we
wanted
to
make
some
improvements.
You
know
to
make
the
platform
easier
to
use
first.
So
once
we've
made
those
improvements,
we've
streamlined
things
made
it
a
little
easier
to
use.
I
think
you
know
we
need
to
just
like
we
did
with
the
enable
hub.
A
We
need
to
do
an
outreach
specifically
to
chapters,
because
we
need
to
try
to
get
chapters
using
enable
web
central
first
before
we
can
ask
them
then
help
us
to
publicize
it
to
get.
You
know.
They're
there
they're,
you
know
device
requesters,
you
know
putting
their
requests
in
to
enable
web
central,
so
I
think
it's
a
multi-step
process.
We
need
to
make
some
improvements,
make
it
easier
to
use.
Then
we
need
to
publicize
it
both
to
enable
chapters
as
well
as
to
do
the
general
public
and
and
try
to
get
more
people.
B
A
Okay,
so
let's
see
I,
guess
I
guess
I'm
up
next
I,
don't
really
have
much
to
report.
It's
as
I
said
it's
been
an
unusually
busy
week
for
me,
so
I
haven't
made
a
lot
of
progress
on
enable
activities.
I
did
just
finish,
printing
out
all
of
the
final
parts
for
Ralph's
custom
hand,
so
I
have
everything
printed.
Now
we
need
to
do
the
assembly
and
I'm
going
out
there
next
Thursday
to
meet
with
him
and
his
ot
to
see
how
it
fits
so
fingers
crossed
we'll
see
how
that
works,
and
it
look
to
you.
A
It
looks
good
I
I.
Did
it
in
a
skin
tone,
pet
G
Ralph
wanted
something
that
would
be.
You
know
a
little
bit
toned
down,
so
we're
we're
gonna.
Give
that
a
shot
and
I
think
right
now,
it's
just
it's
all
about
getting
a
sizing
right,
so
we'll
just
see
how
it
fits
as
I
mentioned.
Last
time.
You
know
his
his
residual
limb
had
had
shrunk
down
considerably
from
when
I
originally
met
with
him.
A
Just
a
little
tweaks
and
updates
I
have
had
a
number
of
chapter
leaders
that
have
joined
up
and
I've
added
them
into
the
chapter
leader
space
and
giving
them
the
chapter
leader
roles,
and
that's
all
going
well
and
just
kind
of
trying
to
keep
an
eye
on
things
there
I
think
Ben
is
working
on
migrating,
some
of
the
projects
and
stories
over
from
Luque
factory.
So
we'll
get
an
update
from
him
when
we
see
him
next
great.
B
A
B
A
Still,
testing
and
technically
speaking,
so
yeah
we'll
coordinate
with
the
band
I
mean
I
was
hoping
to
get
all
the
content
graded
over
from
wiki
Factory.
Before
we
did
the
official
launch
I
don't
know
if
we'll
be
able
to
get
all
that
done,
so
we
might
have
to
do
it
kind
of
incrementally,
but
yeah
we
got
a
got
to
kind
of
flip.
The
switch
and
go
live
as
our
next
step.
A
A
I
do
have
the
ability
to
send
a
mass
email
to
all
users
of
your
neighborhood
central.
So
when
we
do
go,
live
with
the
hub,
I
can
use
that
as
a
vehicle
to
you
know
communicate
to
all
of
them.
Maybe
you
know
do
that
in
addition
to
a
newsletter,
so
yeah
we'll
work
with
Ben
on
a
plan
for
that
when
we-
and
we
have
him
here
next-
so
that's
my
update
John
says
that
it's
no
easy
by
him.
So
he's
not
going
to
speak.
A
He
wants
to
promote
enable
cons
so
yeah,
so
I'll
just
mention
that
we
we
talked
about
that
last
time
when
I
update
the
notes.
I
will
add
in
the
link
from
last
week's
notes
here
where
we
have
a
Google
Doc
that
has
all
the
details
on
the
schedule.
But
let's
see
I'm
going
from
memory
here,
the
the
events
are
running
from
I,
think
starting
the
8th
or
9th
and
going
through
the
13th,
but
I
think
the
main
events
are
the
11th
12th
and
13th.
Am
I
right
on
that?
Bob?
Do
you
remember?
Yes,
you.
A
A
Yes,
excellent,
so
we'll
have
a
great
crew
and
I
know
Christian
Silva,
and
there
were
a
couple
of
others
that
we
mentioned
last
time.
So
hopefully
we
can
encourage
others
to
attend,
and
you
know
the
rest.
We
will
do
our
best
to
share
online
and
do
videos
and
that
sort
of
thing
so
that
others
can
participate
as
well.
I
know
they
said
that
they
were
gonna,
have
an
event
bright
registration
page
soon,
but
I
still
haven't
seen
that
so
I'm
assuming
are
still
working
on
getting
that
together.
C
So
I
have
been
advancing
on
conducting
the
qualitative
analysis
of
the
interview
data
and
writing
the
research
paper
I'm
actually
having
perfectly
interesting
results,
which
maybe
once
I
have
more
advances.
It
would
be
nice
to
share
the
research
paper
with
you
guys
to
discuss
it.
One
of
the
ones
that
I'm
finding
right
now
very
interesting,
at
least
for
me,
is
I,
realize
that
most
of
our
participants
that
came
from
the
global
South.
C
This
is
Mexico
Costa,
Rica,
Brazil,
India,
all
of
them
integrated
all
the
enable
volunteers
were
integrating
into
their
workflow
healthcare
healthcare
professionals,
whereas
the
ones
in
the
global
north,
which
was
the
US
and
France,
none
of
them
integrated
any
healthcare
professionals
in
in
their
workflow
and
I.
Think
that
that
has
to
do
a
lot
with
I
was
discussing
that
a
little
bit
with
John,
with
a
lot
of
the
regulations
that
the
US
has
but
I
feel
like
this
difference
between
the
work.
C
Clothes
creates
very
different
dynamics,
and
so
that's
one
of
the
biggest
things
right
now
that
I'm
finding
about
how?
Basically,
the
global
South
is
able
to
integrate
medical
medical
professions
to
help
them
ensure
the
quality
and
I
found.
It
also
interesting,
like
what
does
the
private,
the
private
sector
in
the
US
to
overcome
that
they
integrate
they're,
integrating
a
lot
of
research
papers
because
they're
not
like
we
when
we
interviewed,
because
we
also
interviewed,
for
instance,
private
companies
that
are
building
also
like
3d
printed
devices,
for
four
people,
but
they're,
not
the
the
biggest
difference.
C
C
The
thing
to
consider
is
that
we
don't
know
what
are
the
rates
of
the
acceptance
that
we
have
from
these
devices
from
these
private
companies,
but
just
talking
with
some
of
the
recipients,
it
seems
that
they
have
been
effective
in
being
able
to
do
user
studies
with
their
individuals,
and
so
maybe
that's
also
something
that
later
on,
we
could
discuss
as
a
community
like
how
do
we
integrate
some
of
these
findings
about
what,
for
instance,
what
is
working
in
Brazil
or
Mexico?
How
do
we?
C
How
do
we
maybe
start
to
create
new
dynamics
in
the
US
to
cover
some
of
those
needs?
But
yeah?
That's
basically
been
with
some
of
the
things
that
I've
been
advancing
and
thank
you
again
all
everyone
for,
because
a
lot
of
you
participated
in
these
interviews
and
it
was
very
helpful
and
I
need
to
coordinate
with
Rodrigo
and
Sam.
There
they're
the
ones
that
have
been
advancing
on
this
project
in
Mexico,
because
it
will
likely
be
the
ones
that
visit
they'll.
C
A
Alright,
so
meanwhile
John
pointed
out
that
Everton
emailed
some
notes
in
he's
tied
up
today
but
I
wanted
to
share
his
updates.
So
he
says:
update
number
one.
Thanks
for
the
presentation
you
helped
me
to
share.
Last
week
we
had
a
three
day
enable
experience
at
FCA
and
at
the
end
of
the
three
day
event
we
delivered
a
device
to
a
13
year
olds
from
the
city
of
from
the
city
of
the
FCA
factor
is
installed
in.
A
After
that
event,
FCA
now
is
planning
how
to
formally
support
enable
because
they
see
that
this
initiative
is
a
social
response,
social
sustainability
project
aligned
with
the
FCA
vision.
The
results
of
this
planning
will
be
with
you
in
the
following
SPC
meetings,
so
excellent.
Thank
you
very
much
ever
update
number
2
Peter
Binkley
will
present
the
sizing
webinar
on
October
17th,
just
after
the
enable
cone.
Now
we
need
to
plan
how
to
advertise
the
webinar
and
choose
the
best
time.
A
Hopefully,
Everton
saw
John's
suggestion
to
add
that
to
the
calendar
on
the
enable
hub,
so
we'll
try
to
get
that
on
the
calendar.
There
I
think
that's
a
good
way
to
help
promote
it.
I
am
seeing
a
good
deal
of
event
activity
on
the
calendar
now,
which
is
really
nice
when
you,
when
you
log
into
the
hub
and
you
go
to
the
enable
form,
you
actually
get
a
nice
little
stream
of
events
over
on
the
right
side.
So
you
can
see
all
the
upcoming
events,
so
it's
a
handy
way
to
promote.
A
What's
going
on,
update
number
3
I
think
that
a
video
interview
or
webinar,
with
Maria
talking
about
enable
con
will
help
a
lot
to
advertise.
The
event
my
suggestion
is
that
Ben
is,
is
that
Ben,
that
is
a
specialist
on
the
subject,
help
us
to
create
an
interview
script
with
Maria,
to
clarify
all
significant
and
important
points
for
the
people
that
will
attend,
and
with
this
script
we
create
the
video
interview.
A
Hope
you
are
all
well
see
you
next
meeting,
so
it
sounds
like
a
great
idea.
Unfortunately,
we
don't
have
been
here
at
this
time
to
discuss
that
with
him,
so
we'll
have
to
bring
that
up
next
time.
It's
gonna
leave
us
a
little
bit
crunched
for
time
to
pull
that
together,
but
maybe
we
can
I
don't
know,
try
to
coordinate
something
via
email
between
now
and
the
next
meeting
and
see
if
that's
something
that
we
can
pull
together.
A
Okay,
so
I
think
that's
all
of
our
individual
updates.
So
we
are
on
our
agenda
number
one
today
and
the
first
topic
up.
Is
you
actually
enable
con,
which
we
just
sort
of
talked
about
and
I
do
have
a
link
here
to
the
notes
document?
I
forgot
I
had
put
that
down
here.
So
I
put
it
up
above
also,
but
now
got
all
the
details,
their
schedules
and
speakers,
and
all
that
good
stuff
so
feel
free
to
check
that
out
and
as
I
mentioned,
we
should
have
an
event
bright
registration
page,
hopefully
very
soon.
What.
A
A
A
So
I
think
I
think
that
vision
still
holds
just
need
to
update
the
diagram
to
get
the
enable
hub
in
there.
But
the
general
idea
is
the
same:
let's
see:
alignment
unification
of
our
various
online
resources,
kind
of
improving
the
user
needs.
You
know
we're
looking
to
the
Deloitte
team
to
make
some
recommendations
on
the
whole
user
journey
concept
here
and
we
hope
to
get
an
update
from
them
soon.
We
we
did,
as
I
mentioned,
I
removed
all
of
the
informational
pages
from
enabling
the
future
org,
so
that
site
is
greatly
simplified.
A
Let's
see
measuring
our
impact
is
the
next
topic
here.
We
do
have
a
project
for
this
now
on
the
enable
hub.
We
heard
an
update
just
a
moment
ago
from
from
safe
and
as
John
suggested.
Maybe
sync
up
with
Mercia
who's
also
doing
work
on
this,
but
it
sounds
like
there's
a
lot
of
great
work
being
done
in
gathering
data
about.
A
You
know
how
people
are
working
with
the
enable
and
how
devices
are
being
used
and
definitely
going
to
see
a
lot
of
useful
insights
coming
out
of
that
it's
you
know,
we've
seen
a
tremendous
amount
of
progress
here
in
you
know.
In
years
past
we
really
just
never
have
very
good
data.
We
never
really
knew
what
you
know
what
people
were
doing
or
what
devices
were
being
used.
A
B
B
A
Absolutely
absolutely
yeah
I
mean
the
you
know
originally,
when
I
first
started
having
people
send
their
devices
there.
The
story
I
got
was
that
they
would.
They
had
a
program
where
they
would
test
those
devices
to
make
sure
that
they're
properly
assembled
and
then
they
would
send
them
off
to
various
clinics
around
the
world
where
they
would
be
distributed
to
recipients,
but
I've
never
heard
any
update
about
how
that's
actually
proceeding
so
yeah.
It
would
be
really
nice
to
get
some
details
about
about
that.
Maybe
some
statistics
when's.
C
We
have
been
advancing
so
actually
we
had
yesterday
of
meeting
with
them
so
right
now,
some
of
the
things
that
we're
doing
is
on
one
hand
we're
developing
like
BOTS
for
them
related
to
they're.
Just
hoping
them
have
like
a
frequently
like,
like
a
bot
that
can
respond
to
frequently
asked
questions.
What
I
liked
about
it
is
that
they
said
that
they
would
give
us
access
to
their.
C
They
have
a
network
of
basically
immigrants
of
Mexican
immigrants
and
so,
for
instance,
people
that
are
in
the
US
in
other
parts
of
the
world
and
they're,
obviously
from
low-income
families,
and
so
I
think
it
well.
Some
of
them
are
from
low-income
families.
Others
are
like
from
more
specialized
they,
they
could
be
friends.
Somebody
like
me,
that
has
some
like
a
more
specialized
degree,
etc,
and
so
they
said
that
they
could
facilitate
to
us
like
that.
That
list
I
think
later
looking
at
it
more
into
the
future.
C
It
would
be
interesting
to
think
about,
for
instance,
even
learning
ways
in
which
we
could
coordinate
some
of
those
people
to
help
and
in
like
these
types
of
endeavors
related
to
enable,
because
you
can
have
like
a
lot
of
may
be
specialists
that
could
help
contribute
to
these
different
causes.
I
think,
for
me,
one
of
the
biggest
things
that
I'm
like
finding
from
this
that
we're
doing
with
this
data
is
that
we
need
to
I
feel
like
we
need
to
really
think
about.
C
C
It's
easier
for
them
to
collaborate,
and
then
this
is
a
problem
that
I
that
I
feel
is
existing
in
the
u.s.
I.
Don't
know
if
you
guys
have
any
comments
or
related
to
that,
but
that's
basically
my
my
perspective
that,
in
the
u.s.,
the
lack
of
collaboration
with
the
healthcare
professionals
is
hurting
the
like
it's
it's
making
it
more
hard
for
us
to
build
devices
that
recipients
will
beat
will
use
because,
for
instance,
in
India
and
Mexico
Brazil,
they
have
health
care
professionals
that
are
that
are
actively
helping.
The
makers
yeah.
A
I
think
you're
absolutely
right.
So
if
I
can
I've
seen
that
too
I
we,
it
seems
to
be
a
mixed
bag
with
medical
professionals
in
the
u.s.,
sometimes
they're,
very
welcoming
of
the
work
and
very
excited
to
get
involved
other
times,
they're
very
hesitant
and
I
think
that
maybe
has
something
to
do
with
legal
sensitivities.
A
What
you're
doing
in
terms
of
extending
the
process
to
the
front
end
and
the
back
end
that
is
evaluating
the
recipients
before
they
ever
receive
a
device
to
make
sure
they're
an
appropriate
candidate
and
then
and
then
the
follow-up
and
making
sure
that
they're
getting
you
know
proper
follow-up
after
they
received
the
device.
I
think
both
of
those
are
really
important
and
the
more
we
can
convey
that
process
to
medical
professionals.
A
I
think
the
more
comfortable
they'll
be
with
the
overall
process,
because
at
that
point
you
know
you're
not
just
looking
at
a
volunteer,
that's
making
a
device
and
giving
it
to
them.
The
medical
professional
is
really
the
one.
That's
responsible
upfront
and
doing
the
follow-up
and
the
you
know.
Volunteers
just
happen
to
be
the
you
know:
the
production
mechanism
for
the
device,
but
the
the
medical
professionals
I
think,
would
be
more
comfortable
with
the
delivery
process.
If
we,
if
we
had
that
kind
of
process
outlined
I,
would.
B
Add
to
your
comments
I
to
me,
perhaps
not
only
legal
Jeremy,
but
the
wealthier
countries
that
have
more
structured,
profit-generating
delivery
of
prosthesis.
You
have
I
think
a
professional
protectionism
on
my
turf.
I
can
make
money
at
this
way.
You
know
and
I
think
the
more
we
can
tell
them
that
you
know
the
people
we
generally
help
are
not
gonna,
be
your
customers
anyway.
That's.
A
Right,
yeah
I
think
it's
it's
interesting.
You
bring
that
up,
because
I've
seen
that
recently
you
know
and
working
with
John
Rose
here
at
Cook,
County
Health.
You
know
that's
been
a
really
nice
working
relationship
because
that
hospital
specifically
focuses
on
you
know:
underserved
communities.
They
accept
anybody
regardless
of
insurance,
and
you
know
immigration
status
and
all
that,
and
so
they
have
a
particular
need
and
interest
for
local
solutions.
So.
B
A
A
That's
a
good
point:
yeah
and
I'm
also
hopeful
that
you
know
if
this
I
think
we're
kind
of
using
this
one
device
that
we're
doing
with
Ralph
as
a
sort
of
a
test
case,
and
if
that
works
out
well
and
were
able
to
get
something
that
works
for
him.
You
know
he
made
it
clear
that
they
they
have.
You
know
plenty
of
needs,
so
we
might
see
how
that
person,
maybe.
C
A
B
C
A
Absolutely
and
I
know
I
love.
The
idea
of
I
think
it
is
a
kind
of
a
shared
approach
that
works
best.
That
is,
you
know.
The
ideal
scenario
would
be
to
have
a
medical,
professional,
that's
evaluating
a
recipient
to
just
make
sure
that
you
know
a
device
is
appropriate
that
you
know
it's
not
going
to
cause
any
harm
for
this
person
that
they're
sufficiently
healed,
etc,
and
then
somebody
more
technical,
like
Shawn
Matheson,
to
advise
on
you
know
what
kind
of
an
approach
what
kind
of
device
might
work
best.