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From YouTube: e-NABLE SPC Meeting - April 23, 2021
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This is a recording of the e-NABLE Strategic Planning Committee meeting for Friday, April 23, 2021.
The notes/agenda document can be found here: https://bit.ly/32HfGPu
A
Good
morning,
everyone
who's
going
to
be
helping
with
notes.
Today,
john
ben,
both
of
you
he's.
B
A
All
right
I'll,
let
you
take
it
from
there,
so
jeremy
and
bob
we've
been
working
with
eric
hemstad
one
of
our
new
volunteers
to
develop
this
new
badge
for
sizing,
but
it
really
has
turned
into
not
just
the
badge.
But
how
do
you
do
this
virtual
sizing
process
in
fusion
which
we're
actually
doing
a
presentation
on
today?
A
That's
the
focus
workshop
that
we're
doing
that
was
at
1,
00
p.m.
Eastern!
So,
basically
we're
going
to
use
that
as
a
dry
run
opportunity.
You
know
to
kind
of
show
what
we've
come
up
with
and
get
some
feedback
see
if
everyone
is
is
happy
with
that
approach
and
that
process,
in
which
case
I'll,
do
kind
of
a
final
video
tutorial
for
that,
and
we
can
get
that
that
that's
really
the
last
piece
before
we
then
get
that
badge
done
the
new
badge
rolled
out.
A
So
that's
well
in
progress
ben
asked
masby
to
export
all
the
badges.
I
think
we've
decided
we're
just
going
to
kind
of
shut
down
all
these
accounts.
So
maybe
we
don't
need
this
right.
B
I
do
actually
masby
created
a
tool
for
that.
I
can
share
it
in
the
notes,
because
I
think.
A
I
know
what
happened
now,
as
I
was
doing
the
testing
what
I
I
set
up,
a
new
account
badges
at
enable.org.
You
know,
like
you
guys
wanted
on
the
badger
and
when
I
first
went
in
to
follow
the
invite
for
that
account
to
set
up
that
account.
I
was
at
it
it.
What
it
happened
is
it
detected
that
it
was
me
it?
I
was
already
logged
in,
as
you
know,
jeremy
at
3d
universe,
and
it
said:
do
you
want
to
add
this
new
email
to
your
account?
So
at
some
point
that
probably
happened.
A
Somehow
something
got
sent
bob
that
you
clicked
on
and
it
linked
that
pathways
email
to
your
account,
that's
my
guess!
So
whatever,
because
I
was
trying
to
figure
out,
how
was
how
are
these
badges
getting
issued
under
this
pathways?
Account
bob
wouldn't
have
those
logins,
but
because
of
this
you
were
able
to
log
in
as
your
email
and
yet
if
they
were
still
going
out
of
that,
it's
a
weird
situation.
In
any
case,
I
got
to
go
through
tech
support
to
get
it
shut
down
anyway,
because
it
will
not
let
me
remove
that
account.
B
A
B
A
feature
it
might
be
something
within
badges
that
basically
brings
together
all
the
activities.
So
there's
one
account
it
might
be
basically
funneling
everybody's
activities
into
you
said
it
was.
B
A
B
B
Link
in
there
to
the
the
tool,
so
you
can
see
how
it
works.
Thank
you
and
then
well.
C
A
A
A
Yeah
you're
still
in
here
as
an
editor
bob
okay,
because
I.
C
A
A
All
right,
so
I
will
reach
out
to
tech
support
about
the
pathways
account
convert
the
lumia
discussion
to
a
proposal.
I
just
did
that
this
morning,
invited
everybody
so
we'll
let
it
run
for
a
week.
That's
the
policy
about
not
charging
money
for
enabled
devices.
There's
been
pretty
much
unanimous
support
for
it.
We
use
the
modified
wording
proposed
by
scythe
and
john
and
we'll
just
let
it
go
for
vote
voting
for
a
week.
A
I
expect
it'll
pass
set
up
lumio.enable.org
and
finance.enable.org.
I've
not
done
that.
Yet
I
haven't
even
figured
out
where
the
dns
is
being
managed.
Yet
I
think
masby
set
something
up
and
I
haven't
had
time
to
even
dig
into
that.
So
I'll
come
back
to.
B
That
I
did
eno
masby
about
the
dns
and
he
basically
said
he
had
a
response:
anyways
I'll
forward
it
to
you.
Okay,.
A
That
would
help
and
then
jeremy
pilot
wishbone
equipment
donation,
which
we
all
did
together
the
other
day.
So
we'll
talk
about
that,
I'm
sure
all
right,
upcoming
guest
presentations.
I
think
we
got
scared
because
there's
nothing
immediate.
There
got
all
of
our
usual
statistics
and
charts
which
I'm
not
going
to
spend
any
time
on,
but
they're
there
for
you
to
browse.
If
you
like,
nothing,
really
stood
out
as
unusual,
I
have
to
apologize.
I've
just
been
unusually
busy
lately,
so
I
didn't
have
time
to
go
through
and
kind
of
rearrange
the
agenda.
A
So
we
can
kind
of
ignore
the
order
of
what
these
topics
are
in
here
and
I'd
like
to
kind
of
open
up
to
you
guys
to
ask
what
you'd
like
to
talk
about
and
kind
of
pick
from
among
our
topics
here,
because
I
don't
think
they're
really
in
a
meaningful
order
at
this
point.
So
let
me
just
ask
first:
is
there
anything
anybody
here
would
has
on
your
mind
that
you'd
particularly
like
to
talk
about?
Let's
just
start
there.
A
A
E
E
Yes,
wonderful,
so
a
little
disclaimer.
This
is
just
an
initial
look
at
something.
It
is
just
something
to
throw
darts
at
please
pipe
up.
If
you
have
any
questions,
let's
have
a
look
so
the
to
start
with
some
of
the
kinetic
hands
that
we
have
delivered
so
far.
E
The
feedback
has
been
that
they're
too
difficult
to
operate
with
one,
in
particular
because
of
the
the
recipients
lim
difference.
The
the
hand
is
a
fair
bit
larger
than
what
a
a
child
of
of
her
rage
would
normally
have
so
it
because
of
the
sort
of
non-linearity
of
how
that
scales.
E
You
know,
she's
a
small
framed
person
with
a
a
rather
larger
hand
and
so
having
some
difficulties
with
that.
So
there
are
pretty
some
pretty
new
materials
out
there
that
are
much
softer
than
the
stuff.
That's
on
the
market
at
the
moment
for
reference,
the
the
stuff,
the
stuff
that
we
have
delivered
so
far,
is
the
82a
fiber
flex,
so
we're
now
starting.
So,
yes,
as
I
said,
there
are
now
some
materials
coming
out
that
are
much
softer
than
that
in
the
sort
of
55
to
75
a
hardness.
I.
A
I
hope
you
don't
mind
my
interjecting
here,
yeah
yeah,
for
those
who
might
not
be
familiar
with
this,
the
82a
filoflex
that
he
mentioned
that's
kind
of
the
original
standard,
filaflex
material.
They
have
other
varieties
that
are
different
shore
hardnesses,
but
the
82a
is
kind
of
their
their
original
and
that's,
I
believe
what
what
matt
motel
was
using.
E
No,
it's
a
tiny
bit
softer
than
ninjaflex
ninjaflex
is
about
85.,
okay,
but
ninjaflex
we'll
get
to
that
bit
because
that's
a
salient
point.
So
the
very
soft
materials
are
rumored
to
require
some
specialized
equipment
to
work
with
which
brings
us
on
to.
You
know
what
it's
a
piece
of
work
that
I
think
would
be
interesting
for
you
guys.
E
You
know
a
normal,
a
regular
direct
drive
extruder
and
acquire
a
specialized
extruder
if
necessary,
print
some
test
components,
including
a
baseline
in
in
the
82a
that
we've
already
discussed,
test
them,
and
then
what
I
think
is
quite
critical
is
assess
how
well
they
will
age,
because
I
I
originally
made
a
couple
of
hinges
in
a
flexible
resin
which
is
enormously
soft,
but
give
it
a
couple
of
days
in
the
sun
and
you
can
tear
it
with
your
bare
hands.
E
So
perhaps
not
the
most
thing,
not
the
most
useful
material
in
this
regard
and
then
write
a
report
and
deliver
it.
E
So
I
I
think
the
report,
the
deliverable,
would
be
a
written
report
with
summaries
of
test
rig
and
experimental
methodology,
some
guidance
on
print
settings
and
you
know
a
summary
of
the
performance
of
the
candidate
materials
and
then,
like
I
say
you
know
some
idea
of
how
well
these
materials
will
work
over
time.
E
So
the
test
rig,
I
think
we
we
would
go
for-
is
something
where
we
basically
ignore
the
gauntlet
and
just
focus
on
the
hand
and
basically
run
a
set
of
weights
on
the
tensioning
on
one
of
the
tensioning
wires
for
one
of
the
fingers
and
just
actuate
each
finger
independently
with
a
set
weight
and
and
read
the
the
displacement
of
the
of
the
tensioning
wire
with
a
a
test
indicator
or
something
along
those
lines.
It
wouldn't
take
into
account
the
flexibility
of
the
hinge
between
the
gum
and
the
palm.
E
I
as
it
says
at
the
bottom
there
I
am
hesitant
to
suggest
we
would
test
a
hand
in
it
entirety,
because
that's
quite
a
that
that
probably
takes
quite
a
lot
of
effort.
The
test
rig
alone,
I
should
imagine,
would
be
yeah.
I
I'm
not
sure
how
we
would
do
it
repeatedly,
but
there
we
go.
E
E
There's
also
things
like
colorfab
make
a
foaming
tpu,
which
I
think
we
should
ignore,
because
foaming
materials
are
their
own
thing
and
you
can
getting
a
foaming
material
to
work
really
well
is
a
very
delicate
balancer.
I'm
not
sure
we
would
really
want
to
try
and
replicate
that.
A
A
D
Just
just
conceptually
before,
when
you
look
at
these
materials
for
the
purposes
of
a
hinge,
there's
got
to
be
a
trade-off
between
the
stiffness
and
the
softness,
because
you
need
a
certain
amount
of
stiffness
to
return
the
finger
right.
If
you
make
it
too
soft,
literally
in
the
extreme,
it
would
just
hang
down,
it
would
be
burn.
A
E
The
the
the
thing
is
within
phil,
the
the
flexibility
that
you
will
achieve
is
highly
dependent
upon
scale
yeah.
So
a
if
you
use
a
very
sparse
infill
at
100
scale.
You
will
get
a
very
different
flexibility
to
if
you
use
a
very
sparse
infill
at
50.
Just
because
simply
you
get
less
infill
yeah
because
we're
not
scaling
the
layer
lines
as
well.
It's
all
you
know,
0.15
or
0.2
or
whatever
you'll
get
this
sort
of
non-linearity
effectively.
E
A
E
E
E
A
I
the
one
I
have
here
I
made
actually
with
I
think
ninjaflex
is
what
I
had
on
hand,
so
this
would
be
in
the
85a
range
and
it
just
maybe
I
don't
know
to
me.
It
just
seems
like
there's
such
a
small
amount
of
of
force
needed
and
movement
needed
to
operate.
This,
I'm
a
little
surprised
that
people
are
having
difficulty
with
the
82a
material.
B
E
Delivered
some
in
82
but
he'd
he
from
what
from
what
he
told
us
he
pretty
much
given
up
on
them.
E
A
B
A
question
were
these:
for
kids:
it
sounded
like
yes,
okay,
so
how.
E
D
E
C
A
C
E
Well,
the
ninja
tech
chinchilla.
That
is
the
same
guys
that
make
ninjaflex
and
that
is
their
softer
material.
D
E
So
that's
that
brings
us
on
to
the
extruders.
There
are
people
that
make
specialized
extruders
for
ultra
flexible
materials,
in
particular
the
bontec
lgx,
which
looks
like
the
the
the
right
sort
of
answer.
There
is
also
the
dye
base
stuff,
which,
from
what
I
can
tell,
is
one
guy
in
london
in
his
shed.
E
That's
not
necessarily
a
bad
thing,
but
you
know,
in
terms
of
through
through
life,
support
the
bomb
tech
is
perhaps
the
way
to
go.
So
the
questions
that
I
pose
to
you
guys
is:
do
we
need
to
test
the
hand
in
its
entirety,
or
should
we
test
one
finger
or
should
we
do
an
even
simpler
test?
E
Secondly,
should
we
forgo
testing
in
a
you
know,
in
a
laboratory
such
as
my
living
room
is
and
send
a
hand
to
a
recipient
and
get
their
direct
feedback,
which
do
you
think,
is
the
most
useful.
D
C
But
it's
still
going
to
be
the
case
that
the
the
more
physical
resistance,
the
harder
it
will
be
for
a
given
person.
So
I
think
the
right
way
to
go
is
with
one
finger
and
then
you
can
also
look
at
the
scale
issue
relatively
cheaply,
because
it's
only
one
finger
yes
and
see
what
the
trade-offs
are.
A
So
I
I
agree,
but
I
want
to
add
in
one
other
one
other
point
for
consideration
is
because
I
I
look
at
this,
and
I
think
I
I
kind
of
project
forward
to
what
are
you
know?
What's
the
outcome
of
this
and
how
do
we
feed
this
back
to
the
community,
and
and
where
does
this
go
and
for
me,
what
what
I
find
myself
thinking
about
is
the
challenge
that
we've
always
had
in
the
community
with
these
types
of
devices
that
use
the
flexible
materials.
Is
that
not
many
of
our
volunteers
are
comfortable
printing
them?
A
Maybe
it's
because
they
don't
have
the
right
equipment.
Maybe
it's
because
they're
just
intimidated
and
they
could,
if
they,
you
know,
gave
it
a
shot
but
they're
just
too
intimidated
by
it,
but
a
lot
of
them
just
won't
approach
these
devices
that
have
the
flexible
materials,
and
so
even
if
we
find
that
say
something
with
a
short
hardness
in
the
70s
is:
what's
optimal.
A
E
A
E
A
That's
an
interesting
idea,
and
it
also
occurs
to
me:
that's
a
wonderful
thing
for
the
communities
to
support
if
we
found
somebody
who's
willing
to
do
that,
maybe
we
can
help
them
out
by
you
know.
Maybe
we
can
provide
a
printer
and
materials
if
he's
going
to
be
doing
this
and
then
sharing
the
hinges
with
whoever
needs
to
make
these
hands.
That's
the
absolutely
so.
E
A
Well
and
I'll
tell
you
another
angle
on
this:
that
you
got
me
thinking
about
is
that
my
company,
3d
universe,
makes
these
assembly
materials
kits
for
some
of
the
enabled
designs,
and
I
have
been
wanting
for
some
time
now
to
make
a
new
kit.
For
the
kinetic
hand,
there's
not
a
lot
that
would
go
into
it
by
default.
A
D
Now
our
question-
please
sure
you
know
matt
botel-
has
spent
a
lot
of
time
and
has
made
probably
more
of
these
hands
than
any
of
us
all
put
together.
Has
anybody
contacted
him
or
got
his
feedback
or.
E
No,
I
haven't
that
was
going
to
be.
That
was
going
to
be
one
of
my
questions.
You
know
what
I
don't.
I
don't
know
what
relationship
to
enable
matt
motel
has
and
whether
he
would
be
open
to
some.
You
know
a
little
bit
of
collaboration
or
even
just
some
getting
him
in
a
room
and
asking
some
questions.
E
A
It's
a
strange
situation.
Actually
I
I
you
know
I
had
matt
botel
on
as
a
guest
for
a
a
a
live
stream
series
that
I
do
and
we
were
talking
about
the
kinetic
hand.
We
had
a
wonderful
conversation,
he
he
very
much
embraced.
You
know
the
collaboration
with
the
enable
he
talked
about
plans
for
all
kinds
of
of
other.
You
know
how
he
he
had
this
wonderful
3d
model
equipment
that
he
wanted
to
use
on
behalf
of
the
enable
community
to
be
able
to
help
people
with
custom.
A
You
know
it
was
a
great
conversation
and
he
sounded
like
he
was
completely
and
totally
on
board
with
that
kind
of
collaboration.
Since
then,
I
think
I've
probably
sent
him
eight
or
nine
emails,
and
I
haven't
gotten
a
single
response.
He's
gone
completely
dark
and
I
can't
explain
it.
I
I
just
can't
explain
it.
I
don't
know:
what's
happened.
E
In
any
way,
in
any
case,
it's
definitely
something
that
we
should
explore.
You
know,
even
if
it
is
just
calling
into
the
void,
so
we've
is
there
any
other
questions
about
what
I'm
proposing.
E
But
yeah
I.
A
I
not
necessarily
a
question
but
a
consideration.
I
guess
going
back
to
john's
suggestion
of
starting
with
one
finger.
I
like
that
idea,
but
based
on
our
discussion
here,
I
think
scaling
is
important,
so
I
would
encourage
you
to
test
a
single
finger
at
multiple
scales.
You
know
test
one
at
you
know
a
small
size,
a
medium
size,
a
large
size
and
see
how
they
differ
with
that
same
material.
E
Yeah
that
can
definitely
be
looked
at.
I
I
would
quite
like
to
sort
of
do
this
small
package
of
work
sure
just
to
sort
of
explore
the
materials,
because
we
might
get
to
the
you
know
it
might
be.
It
might
still
be
not
flexible
enough
for
the
bulk
of
recipients,
so
you
know,
I
think,
that's
definitely
what
I
would
consider
future
work.
A
E
D
John,
you
had
your
hand
up.
I
had
an
experience
with
the
can
with
the
a
while
ago,
which
used
flexible
hinges,
also
different
configuration
completely,
but
I
remember
I
made
two
scales
I
donated
one
to
an
adult
and
I
donated
one
to
a
child.
The
child
worked
as
well
as
the
quality
hand,
works
somewhat.
C
E
A
C
Dara
you're,
you
are
appropriately
being
careful
about
keeping
the
scope
of
what
you
do
on
the
first
iteration
narrow.
Yes,
and
yet
I
want
to
mention
something
down
the
road.
I
am
skeptical
about
the
notion
of
these
flexible
joints
as
springs.
I
think
they're
great
as
hinges,
but
you
know
you
could
have
a
very
floppy,
flexible,
joint
and
then
an
elastic
force
force
or
a
metal
spring.
E
Function
yeah,
I
mean
ultimately,
the
kinetic
hand
does
have
those
tensioning
bars
that
are
recommended
to
be
printed
from
a
flexible
material.
A
He's
talking
about
in
inside
here
there
are,
there
are
little
bars
that
are
printed
in
a
flexible
material
and
that's
what
the
strings
actually
tied
to
and
that
that
actually
introduces
a
little
bit
of
flex
into
the
lines
which
I'm
actually
not
convinced
is
a
good
thing.
But
that's
a
separate
discussion
and
to
eat.
E
But
it's
they're,
both
sides
of
the
same
coin
say
that
again,
they're
they're,
both
sides
of
the
same
coin,
you're.
Ultimately,
you
know
once
you
you're,
ultimately
deforming
those
flexible
bars
that
sit
in
the
gauntlet
when
you
are
contracting
the
hand
and
when
you
release
pressure,
those
bars
go
back
to
their
original
size
and
and
straighten
everything
out.
C
A
Yeah,
so
I
I
think
they
are
two
separate
points,
but
I
see
what
you're
saying
john,
that
you
can
combine
a
flexible
hinge
with
some
kind
of
a
spring
mechanism.
I
think
that
we
get
a
softer
hinge
but
rely
on
another
component
for
the
spring,
but
now
we're
getting
into
more
significant
design
changes
too.
So
that
kind
of
leads
back
to
the
other
group
that
we
have
going
working
on,
that.
That
could
be
something
that's.
E
Yeah,
absolutely
you
know
the
the
test
rig
is
going
to
be
very,
very
simple,
but
you
know
designed
to
work
no
matter
what
size
the
hand
is,
and
things
like
that.
A
B
Yeah
yeah,
I
was
curious
if
we
could
take
maybe
a
minute
or
two
and
just
explore
what
are
some
prior
and
parallel
art
or
efforts
to
link
in
here.
I
know
chinwe
and
orenze
are
two
students
that
are
doing
some
durability
testing
with
devices
they're
not
specifically
focused
on
the
kinetic
hand,
but
that's
going
on
currently
there's
a
couple.
Other
efforts
related
to
single
finger
testing.
I
know
john
and
patrick-
have
been
looking
at
sort
of
new
designs,
but
I'm
curious.
B
Maybe
we
can
just
link
in
some
of
those
things
and
and
that
way,
they're
in
the
notes
and.
A
E
Can
that's,
can
I
just
I've
just
got
a
one
more
slide
and
then
just
as
a
little
bonus,
so
the
kinetic
hand,
as
you
may
or
may
not
know,
uses
some
printable
flexible
infills
on
their
fingertips.
I
don't
have
one
here
to
show
you,
but
or
or
they
can
be
silicon
molded,
but
yes,
they
can
be.
Indeed,
there
are
also
some
conductive
materials
out.
There
see
those
black
yeah
there
we
go.
A
I'll
tell
you,
you
know
it's
gonna
tie
in
with
something
that
we're
discussing
in
another
team.
We
have
a
design
team
working
on
a
new
hand,
design,
and
one
of
the
things
that
we
hope
to
offer
is
the
ability
to
keep
some
fingers
closed
like
this,
so
that
you
could
actually
use
a
pointer
finger
and
then
it
would
be
a
lot
more
useful,
yeah.
E
E
And
just
leave
that
as
a
pointer,
so
I
think
this
would
be
interesting
and
it's
you
know,
and
ultimately,
I'd
like
to
get
hold
of
some
of
these
materials
and-
and
you
know,
see
how
well
they
respond
to
a
smartphone
and
things
like
that.
A
So
I
don't
know
if,
like
you're
you're
aware,
are
you
in
the
uk?
Yes,
okay,
yeah,
so
I
don't
know
that
I
can
help
you
much.
I
was
just
kind
of
thinking
about
I'm
actually
thinking
about
bringing
on
all
the
whole
ninja
tech
line
of
materials
pretty
soon.
But
I
I
don't
know
that
even
if
I'm
willing
to
send
you
materials
for
free,
the
shipping
probably
would
be
as
much
as
the
materials
with
locally.
E
Yeah
the
ninjatech
is
available
here.
It's
a
lot,
a
fair
bit
more
expensive
than
yeah.
A
E
What
you
guys,
but
rather
is
which
is
a
spanish
company-
does
have
a
conductive
material.
So
I
think
this
is
kind
of
maybe
a
separate
part,
but
I
think
you
know
getting
hold
of
some
of
these
materials
printing
them
out,
sending
to
them
them
to
a
recipient,
and
you
know
getting
their
feedback
on.
It
would
be
quite
interesting.
A
C
You
know
daryl
with
regard
to
the
what
I'm
assuming
is
a
one
finger
test
rig,
possibly
figures
of
different
sizes.
When
you
described
it,
it
was
a
fixed
weight
and
a
degree
of
contraction
yeah.
But
these
things
are
non-linear
and
it
may
make
sense,
just
as
an
example
to
look
at
the
change
in
weight
and
the
versus
the
change
in
position
and.
C
Which
we
have
done
is,
for
example,
if
you,
if
you
have
a
protractor
behind
the
finger
and
you
have
a
known
amount
of
weight-
and
you
could
do
that
by,
for
example,
filling
a
vessel
right,
so
that
the
amount
the
volume
of
the
water
was
equal
to
the
amount
of
the
weight
from
the
video.
You
could
then
get
a
series
of
measurements
over
time.
E
The
I
I'm
going
to
be
even
lazier
and
even
simpler.
I'm
going
to
use
the
tensioning
wire
and
physically
hang
weight
off
of
that
tensioning
wire
and
measure.
How
much
that
wire
moves.
E
C
Well,
that's
fine!
I
think
the
important
point
is
that
what
you
know
the
degree
of
hooke's
law
right,
the
more
you
bend
the
harder
it
gets,
and
I
think
that's
one
of
the
reasons
these
joints,
which
are
which
are
asked
to
almost
double
their
length.
That's
why
they're
so
hard!
That's
why
long
flexible
springs
may
have
a
reduced
ramp
up
so
anyway,.
E
The
the
the
type
I
would
I
would
be
what
it
is
I
wouldn't
be
just
using
one
weight.
I
would
start
at
a
lower
weight,
just
like
I
did
for
calibrating
the
dynamometers
at
work
on
submarines.
It
was
you
start
at
a
lower
weight.
You
work
up
to
the
higher
weight
and
then
all
go
all
the
way
back
to
zero,
but
so
you
don't
get
hysteresis.
E
I
don't.
I
think
that
history
is
going
to
be
so
much
of
an
issue
in
this
particular
case,
but
you
know
an
engineer.
C
A
Just
go
on
going
back
real,
quick
to
the
conductive
material
I
had
thought
of.
If
you
wanted
to
test
this
out
with
a
recipient
which
would
be
really
nice.
If
you
have
somebody
that
has
a
kinetic
hand,
and
you
know
what
scale
it
is,
then
all
you
would
need
to
do
is
print
the
tips
in
that
appropriate
scale.
I
mentioned
how
it
would
be
more
useful
if
you
know
if
we
have
the
ability
to
keep
some
of
the
fingers
closed.
One
of
our
our
volunteers,
who's,
a
device
user.
A
Does
that
so
figure
that
you
don't
need
to
modify
the
device?
What
he
does
is
he
just
put
a
a
wrapping
around
and
I
don't
remember
what
he
used
it,
but
simply
just
something
to
wrap
around
the
fingers
like
this
to
hold
them
closed
and
and
as
soon
as
you
do
that
you
know
this
is
still
functional.
You
still
can
operate
that
one
finger,
and
that
would
be
great
for
testing
out
that
on
a
touch
screen.
Yeah.
C
E
So
that's
probably
enough
depth
by
powerpoint
from
me:
apologies
that
that
went
a
lot
longer
than
I
expected
it
to
be.
A
E
The
next
steps
are
for
us
to,
you
know,
get
some
of
these
materials.
I
have
started
to
go
out
to
some
of
these
companies
and
see
what
they,
what
we
can
flat
blog
blag,
I
tried
to
say
flog
and
blag
yeah.
E
I
mean
some,
some
assistance
in
you
know
in
in
getting
hold
of
materials,
and
potentially
getting
hold
of
an
extruder
would
be,
would
be
really
really
great.
You
know,
I
don't
anticipate,
we
would
buy
an
extruder
unless
the
initial
test
suggests
it's
necessary,
but.
E
A
So
this
is
actually
interesting.
I
just
I
I'm
not
saying
that
this
is
what
you
were
kind
of
pushing
for
here,
but
we've
actually
been
working
on
several
different
mechanisms
for
kind
of
funding
and
supporting
initiatives
like
this
in
our
community,
and
I
wonder
if
this
might
be
a
good
example
of
a
good
opportunity
to
sort
of
beta
test.
One
of
these
because
we're
I
mean
you
know
an
extruder
and
some
materials
you're
talking
about
what
a
few
hundred
bucks
here
yeah.
E
Yeah,
so
we
we're
talking
the
the
the
extruder
is,
is
a
little
on
the
expensive
side,
and
you
know
there's
some
test
rate
components
in
there.
We're
talking
yeah,
that
sort
of
money.
B
Forgive
my
my
ignorance
here
darren.
Are
you
connected
to
a
specific
chapter?
Are
you
just
working?
We.
E
Are
3d
crowd
is,
is
working
on
becoming
a
chapter
with
ed,
ed,
ed,
grieg,
greg
greig
yeah.
B
E
He's
shown
up
to
some
of
these
some
of
these
meetings,
and
I
know
he
was
working
with
some
enormous
company
that
has
slipped
my
brain.
Yes,
anyway,.
B
So
because
that
could
be
a
well
in
terms
of
the
infrastructure
that
jeremy
is
talking
about.
We
do
have
a
couple
different
avenues
for
for
this
kind
of
stuff,
but
one
of
them
is
sort
of
chapter,
specific
and
and
there's
some
other
ones
that
aren't.
A
Yeah-
and
I
don't
I-
I
wasn't
thinking
so
much
about
the
wishbone
avenue
for
this
one
only
because
I
don't
think
any
of
our
chapters
have
any
of
these
materials
sitting
around.
I
think
this
is
more
of
a
funding,
support,
kind
of
a
thing,
and
it
seems
like
this
would
be
a
good
fit
for
just
an
spc
review
and
approval,
because
essentially,
we've
just
gotten
the
presentation.
A
Now
we
would
have
a
discussion,
maybe
in
next
week's
meeting,
and
and
this
could
be
the
kind
of
thing
that
we
just
as
an
sbc
vote
to
approve
and
funding,
can
be
issued.
The
support,
because
this
is
the
kind
of
thing
that
at
least
I
had
in
mind
with
that,
which
is
we
want
to
support
initiatives
that
are
geared
towards
benefiting
the
overall
community.
The
outcome
of
your
work
is
not
for
you,
it's
for
everyone
making
these
devices
and
that's
that's
the
kind
of
thing
I
want
to
support.
E
Excellent,
so
if
that
shows
up
on
next
week's
agenda,
I
I
I
assume
yeah
okay,.
A
A
C
E
No,
the
the
extruder
is
merely
a
if
it
is
necessary.
I
suspect
it
will
be,
but
we
we
should.
I
will
do
some
tests
with
my
own
printer
extruder
before
that.
A
I
will
say
on
the
previous
topic:
I
I
I'll
give
my
vote.
I
like
the
idea
of
doing
this
exactly
the
way
that
we
just
did,
which
is
the
person
that's
looking
for
support,
have
them
present
to
the
spc,
just
like
we
just
did
and
then
in
the
following
meeting.
We
would
have
a
discussion
without
that
person
present
just
so
that
we
can,
you
know,
have
a
an
impartial
and
you
know
a
non-influenced
discussion
and
in
that
discussion
then
come
up
with
a
decision
of
of
you
know
whether
or
not
to
support
it.
A
C
Experimenting
that
separate
discussion,
I
presume,
is
not
is
not
videotaped
for
transparent
dissemination.
I.
A
B
Mean
to
play
devil's
advocate
I'd,
I
didn't
want
to,
I
think,
dara
being
a
part
of
it
next
week
would
be
fine.
As
being
I
mean,
the
spc
is
sort
of
an
open
door,
so
I
don't
know
if
the
person
necessarily
wouldn't
be
able
to
join
just
as
something
to
think
about.
I
mean
like.
A
Right,
but
what
we're
talking
about
here
ben
is
the
spc-
has
now
been
given
the
authority
to
make
a
funding
decision,
and
so
next
week's
discussion
is
really
going
to
be
the
members
of
the
spc,
essentially
taking
a
vote.
There's
going
to
be
a
discussion
and
taking
a
vote
on
whether
or
not
to
fund
this
does
it
make
sense
for
the
person
requesting
the
money
to
participate
in
that
voting
process.
A
C
Person
requesting
the
money
clearly
should
not
be
able
to
vote
right,
but
I'm
inclined
to
think
the
person
should
be
allowed
to
be
present
in
case
other
questions
arise
during
the
discussion
sure
I
do
think
this
process
gives
spc
members
an
opportunity
for
offline
background
conversations
if
there
are
sensitive
issues
that
might
influence
their
vote.
A
C
This
is
hypothetical,
but
if
I
knew
this
is
totally
hypothetical,
if
I
knew
something
about
dara
that
I
didn't
want
to
discuss
to
his
face
or
in
public,
I
would
have
that
conversation
in
the
background
with
the
other
spc
members
sure,
and
that
would
probably
mean
that
by
the
time
we
got
to
the
meeting,
there
would
be
some
process
which
we
haven't
stipulated
by
which
we
would
say:
okay,
shall
we
vote
and
then
perhaps
to
dara's
surprise.
We
would
vote
it
down,
and
that
would
be
that
I'm
just
anticipating
the
delicate
scenario,
I'm
I'm.
A
Right
so-
and
I
don't
object
at
all,
what
I'm
hearing
is
that
the
person
requesting
the
support
would
give
a
presentation
and
then
the
following
week,
that
person
would
be
invited
to
join
us
again.
We
would
have
a
sort
of
a
follow-up
discussion,
any
questions
that
maybe
had
come
up
as
we
thought
about
things
and
then
at
some
point
we
would
take
a
vote
and
the
person
requesting
the
support
would
not
participate
in
that
particular
part
of
the
process,
but
they
could
be
present.
That's
what
I'm
hearing.
E
E
There
any
is
there
any
supporting
documentation
you
need
before
next
week.
D
Just
a
small
question:
I
bought
a
microtech
direct
drive
extruder
for
my
creality
and
the
price
was
under
100
bucks.
E
D
A
E
It
is
high
part
of
it
is
ultimately
that
265
is
only
there
if
I
can,
if
I
cannot
get
them
to
extrude
on
a
a
normal
direct
drive
extruder,
it
is
high
because
the
components
are
printed
on
in
nylon
on
an
sls
machine
in
somebody's
basement
in
sweden,
and
ultimately
these
are
brand
new
extruders,
okay.
So,
yes,
it
is
high!
Absolutely-
and
I
I
you
know
if
I
have
had
a
discussion
with
bond
tech
and
they
are
happy
to
support
us,
but
they
don't
give
out
free
stuff
anymore.
E
C
So
we
would
encourage
you
on
on
the
pricier
items
to
see
whether
they
will
contribute,
but
if
not,
we
will
consider
the
possibility
of
just
supporting
it.
Just
so
you
know,
I
think,
we've
already
agreed
that
the
process
will
be
that
once
we've
supported
it,
you
can
either
present
receipts
or
invoices
using
open,
collective.
C
B
So
as
part
of
this
new
process,
and
again
it
is
sort
of
funny
to
you
know,
be
putting
an
airplane
together
while
we're
flying
it.
But
I
wonder
if
it's
worthwhile
I
mean
there
is
asking
about:
does
he
need
to
do
anything
before
next
week?
I
don't
see
anything
specific
in
here
about
a
timeline
and
and
trying
to
think
about.
Basically,
what
is
the
deliverable
and.
E
Sure
yeah,
ultimately
you
know
it's.
It's
yeah,
no
I'll
I'll
have
to
think
about
the
appropriate,
an
appropriate
timeline.
I
should
expect
the
you
know.
E
A
quarter
would
be
about
the
right
sort
of
time
in
a
a
wet
finger
in
the
air
sort
of
estimate.
A
E
Agreed-
and
I
mean
ultimately
it-
you
know,
it
could
come
down
to
this
piece
of
work
being
yes,
this
is
all
well
and
good,
but
it's
still
not
good
enough.
Yes,.
C
C
Enablers
know
where
their
tax
dollars
are
going
and
and
keep
us
all
apprised
yeah.
B
Actually,
as
as
part
of
this
process
as
we're
piloting
it,
it
might
be
worth
trying
to
figure
out,
you
know
a
post
in
the
hub.
I
don't
know
every
x
amount
of
weeks
or
months
or
whatever
just
sort
of
sharing
the
process,
I
think,
would
be
exciting
for
people
to
follow.
Along
with
and
potentially
there
could
be
people
that
could
contribute
new
ideas.
That
could
you
know,
be
a
part
of
the
process
for
dara
that
could
be
a
resource
actually
so
yeah
I
mean.
E
You
you
could
go.
The
way
that
we
used
to
go
is
is
using
gating
systems,
so
you
would
have
a
specific
check-in
at
preliminary
design,
review
concept,
design,
critical,
blah
blah
blah
blah
blah.
A
E
A
E
C
E
So
I
I
will
also
put
in
the
the
sort
of
periodic
posts
on
platform
of
your
choice
that
will
sit
as
part
of
the
deliverable
yeah.
A
Just
food
for
thought,
in
terms
of
you
know,
when
you
get
to
how
you
end
up
sharing
this
one
of
my
partners,
you
might
know
them
thought
3d
to
make
the
magiku
adhesives
and
they
created
some
really
wonderful
resources,
including
an
airtable
database
of
recommended
print
settings
for
all
sorts
of
different
materials
and
different
printers,
which
I
have
on
our
website
now
for
3d
universe.
E
Absolutely
I
mean
I'm
a
big
fan
of
git.
I
I
did
put
I've
put
a
huge
amount
of
printing
profiles
on
my
github
page.
I
don't
think
I
think
I
pro
I
may
copy
them
onto
that
repository
as
well.
But
yes,
I
mean.
A
E
So
the
the
guidance
on
appropriate
print
settings
will
be
a
part
of
the
report.
But
yes,
I
mean
you
know
if
you
want
them
to
also
be
delivered
as
a
as
a
table
for
you
to
do
with
what
you
wish.
That's
that's
fine.
A
That's
actually
something
I
never
thought
about.
It's
a
really
nice
idea.
I
think
these
days
we
I
know
I
know
cura
is
the
most
popular
slicing
software.
I
know
there's
others,
but
that's
the
most
common
one
and
we
probably
have
enough
people
using
it
that
I've
never
thought
about
that,
but
creating
downloadable
profiles
for
our
community
that
has
all
the
recommended
settings
for
printing
and
enabled
device.
A
E
Rick
reyes
actually
publishes
printing
profiles
that
you
can
literally
just
use
as
they
are.
A
E
Think
I'm
pretty
sure
they
do
have
akira
profile
but
yeah,
useful
okay.
I
will
make
those
changes
to
deliverable
to
the
slide
pack.
How
do
I
deliver
it
to
you?
The
slide
pack
in.
A
If
you
just,
let
me
see,
oh
yeah,
did
I
not,
I
probably
didn't,
have
you
on
the
email
I
sent
out
this
morning
and
I
apologize
there.
I
was.
I
was
not
well
organized
for
this,
I'm
glad
you
you
made
it
in
though
I
must
have
sent
you
a
link
previously.
A
A
Okay,
yeah
really
nice
work
thanks
for
sharing
that
with
us,
no
problem
anytime,
so
same
time
next
week.
If
you
can
join
us,
that
would
be
great,
and
I
guess
we'll
just
you
know
we'll
try
to
get
into
this
discussion
first,
so
that
you
can
move
on
with
your
day
when
we
get
onto
the
rest
of
our
agenda.