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From YouTube: e-NABLE SPC Meeting - April 30, 2021
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This is a recording of the e-NABLE Strategic Planning Committee meeting for Friday, April 30, 2021.
The notes/agenda document can be found here: https://bit.ly/33jebHm
A
Okay,
so
recording
now
meeting
already
in
progress,
we've
only
reviewed
the
action
items
and
reports
and
we're
just
talking
now
about
our
first
topic,
which
is
infrastructure
and
process
updates,
starting
with
badging.
Then
your
update,
please.
B
So,
after
a
few
weeks
of
iteration
on
wednesday,
we
opened
up
the
new
badging
system
to
the
community.
We
posted
it
publicly
I'll
add
the
link
into
the
chat
of
the
new
page.
We
had
gone
through
a
lot
of
tests
with
the
sbc
team
and
some
other
folks
beforehand.
B
It
seems
like
it's
been
well
received
and
you
know
really
it.
I
think
it
does
make
the
badging
system
much
more
relevant.
So
if,
for
anybody
that
hasn't
checked
it
out,
the
first
thing,
you'll
notice
is,
if
you
hover
over
somebody's
profile
image,
their
little
icon,
you'll
see
a
pop-up
that
has
all
their
their
badges.
B
So
you
can
get
a
sense
of
the
skill
sets
that
somebody
has
the
experience
that
they
have
and
now
you
can
request
a
badge
right
through
the
hub
and
the
database
is
something
that
we
manage
separately
from
badger,
which
allows
us
to
have
a
lot
more
integration
going
forward.
So
I
think
it's
really
a
great
place
to
be,
and
it's
going
to
allow
for
a
lot
more
growth
and
again
just
as
a
reminder.
B
That's
that's
something
that
we
married
together
a
long
time
ago,
so
the
next
steps
for
us
are
going
to
be
reviewing
the
chapter
process
and
having
that
be
sort
of
a
separate
page
and
and
process.
You
know-
and
maybe
one
last
thank
you
to
to
bob
for
for
modeling
this
for
such
a
long
time.
The
system
that
we
came
up
with
in
a
large
part
is
based
on
the
process
that
he's
been
piloting
and
modeling
for
years.
So
so
that's
what
we
got.
B
Yep-
and
you
know
again,
I
don't
want
to
go
too
far
into
it
before
more
iterations
with
john
and
masby,
because
there's
there's
so
many
things
that
we've
sort
of
stirred
into
this,
this
big
pot
of
soup.
B
What
we've
been
doing
up
to
now
to
to
collect
data
from
chapters
has
included
sort
of
an
audit
or
emailing,
which
has
some
success.
But
it's
you
know
it's
limited
and
also
doing
these
these
individual
interviews,
I
just
posted
one
with
pakistan's
grit
3d
this
week.
B
That
chapters
would
be
able
to
update
themselves
and
something
that
maybe
would
have
some
sections
that
would
be
automatically
populated,
so
things
like
their
activity
could
be
collected
automatically
in
terms
of
the
hub,
but
they
could
also
be
instead
of
relying
on
somebody
else
to
to
collect
this
every
once
in
a
while,
through
an
audit
or
through
an
interview,
we
could
have
chapters
be
able
to
sort
of
customize
and
edit
their
sort
of
public
facing
story,
which
I
think
would
be
wonderful.
C
A
Okay,
so,
and
then
tied
in
with
all
this,
of
course,
we're
having
ongoing
discussions
about
what
we're,
what
we're
now
calling
community
systems
sort
of
collectively-
and
I
guess
this
all
falls
under
this-
but
in
this
case
I'm
referring
to
sort
of
our
matching
and
reporting
system.
A
There's
some
great
progress
being
made,
but
we
want
to
open
this
up
further
ben's
going
to
be
reaching
out
to
additional
folks
in
the
community
other
chapter
leaders,
and
we
want
to
get
this
into
a
sort
of
a
monthly
meeting
around
community
systems
as
a
chapter.
What
are
you
doing
to
manage
your
data?
How
are
you
handling
intake
for
new
people
that
are
looking
for
devices?
How
do
you
validate
your
volunteers?
A
How
do
you
you
know
all
these
different
aspects
of
how
chapters
are
doing
what
they
do
and
comparing
one
with
another
and
trying
to
find
some
best
practices
and
maybe
tools
or
pieces
that
could
benefit
others
and
trying
to
bring
those
together
a
little
bit
more
and
and
make
them
available
to
those
who
could
who
could
benefit
from
them?
So
anybody
who's
interested,
let
us
know,
let
ben
know,
I
guess
reach
out
to
us
on
the
hub
and
we'll
get
you
involved
in
those
meetings.
A
We're
planning
to
start
in
june,
as
we
have
some
things
in
progress
already.
B
Right
and
maybe
just
to
add
to
that,
some
chapters
like
enable
brazil
have
put
a
lot
of
energy
and
have
a
pretty
advanced
system
that
potentially
could
be
a
model
for
for
other
chapters,
but
it
does
seem
like
the
way
that
things
are
going.
We
talked
to
folks
in
columbia.
Yesterday,
they're
working
on
their
own
app
people
are
sort
of
reinventing
the
wheel
a
bit
in
terms
of
trying
to
figure
out
how
to
manage
their
volunteers
and
the
sort
of
process
of
recipient
volunteers.
A
So
that'll
be
an
ongoing
area
of
report
for
us
in
these
meetings,
so
the
wishbone
project.
I
moved
that
up
here,
just
because
I
wanted
to
talk
about
it
now
that
we
have
it
kind
of
live
and
we've
done
some
tests
with
it.
There's
a
couple
of
questions
I
had
so
we
did
some
testing
and
I
actually
put
up
a
printer
in
there
that
what
was
that
that
I
oh
I
put
up
a
zortrax
3d
printer
in
there.
Now
I
haven't
heard
of
anything.
A
I
don't
know
if
you've
had
any
kind
of
interest
that
you've
seen
in
that,
but
then
I
I
later
went
in
and
I
put
in
a
I
put
in
another
submission
for
a
second
printer
and
I
haven't
heard
anything
and
I
haven't
seen
it
on
the
list.
So
my
question
was
number
one
ben:
did
you
get
an
email
notification
that
somebody
filled
out
the
form
and
made
an
offer.
B
I
haven't
and
I
to
be
totally
honest:
I've
been
pretty
consumed
with
the
the
badger
stuff
that
seemed
like
you
know.
We
had
all
this
momentum
going
so
this
weekend.
A
B
I
think
I
got
one
yeah.
I
think
what
we
want
to
do
is
make
sure
that
the
email
is
sent
to
sort
of
the
admin
team.
B
A
B
Yeah
I
mean
I'll
leave
that
up
to
john
because
he's
sort
of
in
the
managing
these
subdomains
and
stuff,
but
heads
or
tails
I
haven't
marketed
it
at
all.
B
So
it's
still
you
know
it's
not
quite
live
yet,
but
I
did
go
through
a
bunch
of
iterations
with
evan
and
john
initially
we
gave
a
presentation
a
couple
months
ago
saying:
here's
this
whole
brand
vision
and
we're
gonna
do
badges
and
then
we're
gonna
do
chapters
and
then
we're
gonna
end
up
at
wishbone
later
and
it's
gonna
match
the
system.
B
We
decided
that
a
lot
of
things
in
enable
work
better
to
model
it
manually,
so
it'll
look
like
it's
all
working
but
it'll,
be
you
know
with
the
wizard
of
oz
behind
the
scenes,
so
the
wizard
of
wishbone
is
going
to
be
me
gluing
things
together
for
a
bit
and
yeah,
we
gave
jeremy
a
demo.
Everything
seems
like
it'll
work
well
enough
and
one
will
probably
figure
out
what
isn't
working
soon
enough,
but
it'll
probably
be.
B
I
could
publish
it
today
or
maybe
on
monday,
and
your
two
printers
that
you
offered
will
be
something
I
can
share.
It's
worth
mentioning
that
currently,
we've
got
it
set
up
with
paypal.
Paypal
is
limited
in
the
countries
that
it
supports,
so,
for
example,
ahmad
in
syria
would
not
be
able
to
use
paypal.
A
I
you
know
a
suggestion
there
ben
would
just
be
to
include
a
field
where
somebody
can
put
in
a
phone
number
for
a
zell
payment.
I
think
that's
pretty
widely
used
or
there's
other.
You
know
like
that.
There's
other
electronic
payment
methods
that
are
tied
to
finances
that
you
might.
B
Or
even
western
union
I
mean
there's,
there's
fees
involved
with
this
stuff,
but
I
know
I
mean
western
union
still
works
in
syria
and
some
of
these
other
places.
So
that's
a
good
point
and
I
think
we'll
figure
that
out
as
we
go.
A
D
A
B
And
the
decision
for
the
equipment
donation
is
the
person,
that's
making
the
posting.
So
let's
say
there's
some
suggested
variables
to
consider.
You
know
the
person
that
seems
like
they
need
it.
The
most
the
person
that's
closest
the
person
that
fills
out
the
form
first,
but
it's
up
to
the
person
posting,
so
jeremy
put
a
couple.
Printers
up
he'll
be
able
to
decide
what
are
his
priorities
for
sort
of
designating
his
equipment
to
a
new
home.
A
Cool
looking
forward
to
it,
so
I
I
I
think
everyone's
familiar
with
this
for
those
who,
maybe
I
haven't
been
here
or
don't
recall,
just
a
reminder,
this
wishbone
project
is
really
about
chapters
supporting
chapters
or
you
know
us
supporting
chapters.
It's
when
somebody
needs
something,
and
somebody
else
has
something,
and
it's
a
way
of
connecting
those
dots
and
providing
another
path
for
getting
support,
whether
it
be
funding
or
supplies
or
a
printer
or
materials
or
whatever
you
need
it's
getting
that
help.
That's
what
that
program
is
about.
A
B
A
The
more
the
more
people
we
can
get
into
this
platform,
the
more
effective
it
will
be
because
you
can
do
that
kind
of
local
yeah
focus,
okay,
nice,
so
yeah
I
mean
it's.
I
gotta
say
it's
really
exciting
to
see
how
these
things
are
coming
together.
I
love
the
improvements
that
are
being
made.
I
love
the
work
mazda
is
doing
on
the
hub
and
I
love
the
way
he's
doing
it
in
a
way
that
it's
not
going
to
you
know
keep
us
tied
eternally
to
the
hub.
A
If
we
ever
decide,
we
want
to
do
something
else.
This
stuff
is
modular
and
portable,
and
I
love
that
so
big
thanks
to
him
for
all
the
hard
work,
and
I
love
these
new
systems
and
how
they're
kind
of
tying
in
with
one
another-
and
I
agree
100
with
what
ben
said
earlier-
that
I
think
what
we
just
did
with
badges
and
bringing
them
into
the
hub
and
making
it
so
you
see
them
when
you
hover
on
somebody's
name
or
profile.
This
just
just
immediately
adds
so
much
more
value
to
the
badging
system.
A
B
A
B
A
D
Remember
you
still
have
to
review
the
evidence,
of
course,
with
the
new
system,
and
you
still
have
to
copy
and
paste
into
your
browser,
because
you
can't
click
on
it.
When
it
comes
in
there's
a
link,
you
have
to
copy
it,
you
have
to
open
a
new
tab
in
your
browser
paste
it
in
look
at
the
evidence,
then
go
back
to
the
hub.
B
A
D
D
I
think
it
may
be
internal
only
because
he
added
a
mailing,
a
message
icon,
which
I
click
and
then
I
can
send
a
message
to
the
person
because
half
the
time
there
is
a
back
and
forth
and
the
biggest
single
problem
still
is
no
permission.
Given.
So
a
link
is
there
to
dropbox
or
or
google
and.
A
D
A
D
A
Right
but
yeah
so
we'll
follow
up
on
that,
let's
find
out
what
that
admin
comment
does
whether
it
goes
to
the
end
user
or
not,
but
in
any
case
obviously
it's
the
system
is
a
big
improvement
overall.
B
Right
and
john
and
I
are
working
on
a
a
better
system
for
keeping
up
with
some
of
the
little
iterations
that
are
going
to
be
naturally
happening.
So
I've
got
a
document
that
that
I've
been
trying
to
pull
emails
into
and
I'll
I'll
update
that
today,
with
a
bar
on
the
top
that
has
the
sort
of
pending
issues
and
two
priority
tiers
and
we've
also
got
some
admin
wiki
pages
in
the
space
on
the
hub.
B
So
I
think
we'll
settle
into
a
process
that
makes
it
easy
to
keep
up
with
this
stuff
and
hopefully
move
away
from
emails,
because
these
email
threads
can
just
extend
exponentially
and
then
get
lost
immediately.
A
So,
okay
on
lumio,
this
will
be
easiest
just
to
share
on
the
screen,
so
our
policy
proposal
has
been
approved.
So
this
was
the
discussion
about
charging
money
for
enable
stuff,
and
so
the
the
sort
of
a
statement
that
we
ended
up
all
agreeing
on
is
enable
is
a
volunteer
philanthropic
effort.
We
give
devices
away
for
free,
open
source
licenses
for
enable
designs
typically
do
not
prevent
people
from
charging
for
devices,
but
any
such
commercial
activity
is
done
outside
of
enable.
A
So
that's
the
wording
that
we
all
kind
of
converged
on,
and
we
would
you
know,
encourage
our
volunteers
to
use
that
and
communicate
that
wording
when,
if
you
are,
you
know
working
with
folks,
just
just
so
that
we
all
kind
of
make
that
clear
in
our
engagements.
C
Been
yes,
congratulations
to
all
do
we
have
a
place
on
the
hub
where
resolutions
aggregate.
A
No,
we
used
to
do
that
as
part
of
the
spc
space,
and
that
would
be
the
most
appropriate
place
to
do
it.
I
just
haven't
been
keeping
that
up.
I
I've
tried
to
kind
of
control
ben
into
helping
me
to
maintain
the
spc
stuff
and
upload
videos
with
me
and
all
that,
and
maybe
we
could
figure
out
a
way
of
getting
back
to
that
back
when
we
were
on
enable.org
yeah.
A
I
maintained
a
part
of
the
spc
page
that
had
all
of
the
approved
lumio
proposals
and
their
current
status
and
all
that
it
just
I
just
couldn't
keep
up
with
it
and.
C
For
a
while,
I
had
a
kumu
map
that
purported
to
do
that.
But,
of
course,
the
upkeep
on
all
of
this
is
is
the
big
challenge
we
have.
You
know
in
general,
both
with
regard
to
administering
our
development,
which
has
gone
into
work,
speed
with
mazda's
health
and
with
regard
to
all
sorts
of
other
things
like
lumio
resolutions.
C
We
need
a
way
of
bubbling,
on
the
one
hand,
maintaining
the
historical
stream
which,
as
we've
seen
you
know,
is
hundreds
or
thousands
of
pages,
but
bubbling
up
the
lasting
resolutions,
and
perhaps
the
current
issues
so
that
you
don't
have
to
do
archaeology
to
figure
out
what
the
current
state
of
affairs
is.
B
Maybe
the
the
next
step
for
us
with
lumio,
that
is
to
set
up
a
custom
page
that
has
the
the
resolutions
and
and
have
that,
be
on
the
hub.
The
problem
with
your
previous
system,
jeremy
and
john's
previous
system,
is
it
manually,
involves
updating
this
stuff
that
just
doesn't
work
forever.
B
Might
be
just
a
page
on
lumio
that
we
can
pull
up
that
has
completed
projects.
Lumio
has
some
of
those
features
in
it.
Already
I
looked
at
your
whole
archive
on
the
spc
hub
space,
the
wiki.
It's
it's
nice
to
see
it
like
that,
but
boy
it
would
make
such
a
difference
to
have
it
be
just
automatically
pulling
it
because
it's
already
there,
it's
already.
B
C
B
That
everything's
taking
off
great
to
have
you
join
us
everton.
B
Keep
us
posted
for.
B
A
E
It
does,
it
does
require
you
to
join
the
group
and
log
in
to
view
anything
in.
A
B
B
A
A
Agree,
yeah
all
right,
so
we'll
look
into
options
for
embedding
lumio
summaries
in
the
hub.
I
guess
is
what
we're
saying
I
guess
we
need
somebody
to
kind
of
take
ownership
of
that.
A
A
All
right-
let's
see-
I
didn't
finish
this
morning-
getting
to
kind
of
reorganize
our
notes.
So
some
of
this
I'm
going
to
skip
we've
talked
about
community
systems.
Andrew's
not
here,
skip
that
volunteering
needs
is
just
a
reminder
to
us
that
we
want
to
kind
of
clearly
list
out
our
volunteering
needs
as
we
get
them
clarified
onboarding.
I
think
we're
going
to
really
have
a
lot
more
of
a
discussion
on
that
in
two
weeks
when
isabella
gives
her
a
wrap-up.
So
let's
hold
off
on
that
discussion.
A
There's
two
high-level
discussion
topics
here
in
the
notes.
One
of
them
is
a
topic
related
to
sort
of
how
effective
is
it
for
us
to
be
doing
this
remote
production
and
delivery
of
enabled
devices?
You
know
just
going
off
of
photos
and
shipping
a
device
off
to
somebody
and
there's
a
whole
discussion
around
that
and
then
the
second
high
level
discussion,
which
is
way
further
down
in
the
notes,
has
to
do
with
just
sort
of
this
imbalance
between
demand
and
production
capacity.
Where,
right
now
we
have
a
lot
more
volunteers.
D
A
You
know
I
mean
this
goes
back
to
our
whole
discussion
about
the
community
systems.
You
know
which
started
from
a
discussion
about
enable
web
central
and
what
improvements
we
should
make
there
and
then
it
turned
into
a
discussion.
Is
this
even
the
best
possible
tool?
But
the
reason
we
were
having
those
discussions
in
the
first
place
goes
back
to
this
issue
that
we've
got
this
platform
and
we've
got
all
these
volunteers.
A
Thousands
of
you
know
people
in
the
platform
with
accounts,
but
they
log
in
and
they
go
to
look
at
the
map
and
they
just
don't
see
many
pins
there
and
that's
always
been
our
problem.
We've
never
been
able
to
drive
enough
of
the
general
public,
the
people
with
limb
differences
into
this
platform
to
request
devices.
Is
it
because
the
platform
wasn't
right
and
it
was
too
hard
to
use
and
they
they
gave
up
on
it?
Is
it
because
we
didn't
do
enough
publicity
and
getting
the
word
out
there?
A
We
are
then
going
to
have
to
turn
our
attention
back
to
this
question
of
okay.
How
do
we
get
the
word
out
to
the
public
and
how
do
we
get
all
those
people
who
are
out
there
that
we
know
need
you
know
some
help,
but
how
do
we
make
them
aware
of
that
particular
platform
and
get
them
in
there
and
asking
for
devices
we
are
going
to
have
to
come
back
to
that.
B
Let
me
just
before
we
go
too
far
into
it.
Dara
did
put
in
the
chat
and
I
had
sent
messages.
Also
to
folks,
are
we
going
to
be
looking
at
dara's
proposal
today.
A
Yeah
I
apologize
yes,
I'd
love
to
I.
This
is
again
me
being
completely
disorganized.
Now
I
have
too
much
going
on,
so
I
apologize
again
there.
I
I
I
I
need
a
reminder
here
about
that's
fine.
B
E
E
A
E
That's
fine,
that's
all
good!
It's
that's
life
that
happens.
E
Right
can
everybody
say
that.
E
So
the
only
difference
that
I
mean
differences
that
I
did
a
little
bit.
Where
did
I
put
it
there
we
go
so
deliverables
will
consist
of
a
report
containing
the
following,
as
well
as
a
number
of
periodic
posts
and
updates
on
the
platform
of
your
choosing-
and
I
think
you
know,
within
sort
of
three
months
from
kickoff-
is
maybe
the
right
sort
of
the
right
sort
of
number
that
time
scale
can
shrink,
depending
on
difficulties
in
actually
extruding
the
material.
E
But
I
completed
phase
one
a
of
the
you
know:
testing
scheme,
and
now
I
have
the
world's
most
possibly
the
world's
most
expensive,
back
scratcher
it's
and
it's
actually
it's
fantastic
all
right.
So
yeah
I've
made
a
start.
A
A
Yeah,
so
let's
just
go
to
the
actual
summary
page
with
the
numbers.
If
we
could.
A
We
go
yep.
Thank
you
very
much,
and
so
I
know
we
did
this
last
time,
I'm
gonna.
Do
it
again.
This
time
I
think
ben
referred
to
this
is
trying
to
fix
the
airplane
while
we're
flying
it.
But
you
know
this
is
our
first
time
through
this,
so
we
got
to
figure
this
out.
I
think
I
brought
up
a
question
a
while
back
now
that
we
have
approval
as
the
spc
to
review
and
approve
funding
requests
within
certain
parameters.
A
I
think
we
do
need
to
ask
ourselves
a
question
about
like
what
constitutes
a
quorum.
How
many
people
need
to
be
here
from
the
spc
for
us
to
make
a
call
like
this?
Is
it
three
of
us?
Is
it
four
of
us
five
two?
I
I
don't
know,
but
I
think
that's
something
that
we
it's
never
mattered
to
us
before,
but
probably
something
we
should
agree
on
now.
How
many
do
we
need
to
take
a
vote?
Jeremy.
D
A
That's
exactly
right
and
I
hate
to
bring
this
up
because
we
do
not
have
people
with
these
kinds
of
of
underhanded.
You
know
tendencies
or
anything,
but
john
brought
this
up
with
lumio.
The
possibility
of
somebody,
like
you
know,
storming
the
castle,
getting
all
their
friends
involved
for
their
proposal
and
stuff.
Well,
what's
we
say
anybody
can
join
the
spc
what's
to
prevent
somebody
from
making
a
proposal
and
then
inviting
10
of
their
friends
to
come
in
on
the
voting
day.
You
know.
A
Should
we
should
probably
agree,
like
bob
said
on
you
know,
maybe
there's
anybody's
welcome
to
join
rspc
meetings,
but
maybe
there
is
a
defined
list
of
core
spc
members
and
we
have
to
agree
on
how
we
establish
that
and
handle
membership,
and
I
guess
you're
talking
about
voting
rights
at
this
point
really.
You
know.
B
There's
a
lot
of
hypotheticals,
but
you
know
in
truth,
I
think
it's
pretty
clear
that
if
we
had
two
people
in
the
meeting
that
wouldn't
be
enough-
and
today
we
have
five
people-
and
I
think
that
is
enough
for
this.
A
So
if
we
were
to
agree
on
say
five
people,
because
we
don't
always
have
five
people
that
come,
but
you
know
like
they
do
in
you
know
in
in
congress,
you
know
you
kind
of
promote
that
hey.
This
is
the
voting
day.
Show
up
you
know
and
we'll
get
five
people
here.
So
I'm
fine
with
that.
If
everyone
else
is,
I.
B
C
C
D
A
C
Be
conservative,
let's
say
five,
not
including
the
applicant
okay,
and
let's
agree
that
these
allocations.
They
will,
of
course
be
visible
in
open
collective
when
the
money
passes
through,
but
they
should
also
be
posted
in
the
house
called
out
in
the
hub
and
in
our
spc
aggregation
or
whatever.
That
turned.
B
Okay,
I
was
going
to
say
dara
if
you
want
to
give
a
an
elevator
pitch
for.
B
This
is
the
spc
voting
for
projects
in
action,
the
plane
being
put
together
as
we
fly
that
you're
witnessing
isabella.
So
dare
I
pass
you,
the
mic,
yeah
absolutely.
E
No
problem
so
that
pertains
to
the
kinetic
hand,
which
I'm
sure,
you've
seen
one
of
the
recipients.
It's
one
of
the
recipients
in
particular
because
of
their
limb
difference,
has
trouble
closing
the
hand
actuating
it,
and
it's
believed
that
it's
because
of
the
the
types
of
materials
that
we're
using
there.
E
In
this
particular
instance,
it's
recreas
filler
flex,
which
is
a
little
bit
softer
than
what
is
suggested
by
the
original
creator,
but
even
so
still,
not
quite
flexible
enough.
E
So
there
are
a
number
of
newer
materials
on
the
market,
and
I
thought
it
might
be
a
good
idea
to
explore
some
of
those
in
using
the
kinetic
and
as
context
and
to
characterize
their
performance
in
relation
to
a
baseline.
E
So,
basically,
it's
come
up
with
a
way
to
test
how
flexible
the
particular
hand
is
with
whichever
material
get
some
new
shiny
materials
make
some
new
parts
in
said,
shiny
materials,
test
and
report.
E
D
E
Indeed,
no
so
that's
about
it,
there's
also
a
little
bit
of
bonus
which
I've
I've
had
some
some
luck
with
recreates.
Actually
there
are
some
conductive
materials
and
the
kinetic
hand
uses
you.
You
can
use
printable
inserts
for
the
fingertips
and
I
thought
it
might
be
a
nice
idea.
If
you
use
conductive
filament,
you
can
use
touch
screens
with
the
with
the
the
hand
which
I
thought
was
a
nice
idea.
E
So
I
thought
I'd
tack
that,
on
the
end.
C
E
I
am
daryl
broadbent.
I
work
with
3d
crowd.
3D
crowd
are
currently
in
the
process
of
setting
up
an
enabled
chapter
alongside
a
lot
of
our
other
work.
Ed
grieg
is
ed,
greg,
ed.
D
E
Is
er
is
our
sort
of
point
of
contact
between
enable
and
3d
crowd,
he's
basically
transitioning
the
work
he
did
with
deloitte
into
3d
credit?
Where
are
you
physically
located
I'm
located
in
a
place
called
sheffield
in
england,
steel
city,
yeah,.
C
And
you,
you
actually
have
a
background
in
engineering
and
testing.
Absolutely
yes,.
E
B
Okay,
so
there's
two
things
that
I
can
think
of
just
to
play
devil's
advocate
and
to
follow
a
process.
One
thing
heads
or
tails:
it
probably
is
a
good
idea
to
lump
in
the
chapter
status
officially
going
through,
as
as
part
of
you
know,
something
that
would
be
great
to
tie
together,
but
you
know
for
our
sbc
folks.
Do
we
want
to
think
about?
If,
if
dara
is
almost
a
chapter,
do
we
want
to
think
about
this
as
a
potential
wishbone
project?
B
B
I've
heard
that
the
kinetic
hand
is
more
challenging
than
some
and
it
would
be
worthwhile
potentially
to
think
about
what
is
going
to
make
this
easier
for
people
not
more
difficult,
and
I
know
that
with
some
of
the
flexible
filaments
it
can
be,
some
of
the
devices
are
much
harder
than
I
have
devices,
for
example,
are
really
pretty
high
skill
level
requirements
so,
looking
at
whatever
you're
doing,
as
you
know,
making
this
easier
for
people
what's
the
lowest
hanging
fruit
to
make.
One
of
these
would
be,
I
think,
a
high
priority.
D
A
E
E
C
Yeah,
I
agree
with
that.
I
think
that
it's
a
very
well
put
together
proposal
from
a
very
highly
qualified
guy.
The
budget
is
not
large.
I
think
it
went
through
this
pathway
because
he's
ready
to
get
going,
and
I
think
we
can
agree
that
this
is
the
kind
of
thing
that
would
benefit
the
community
at
large.
A
B
Yeah
and
I
guess
wishbone
is
still
sort
of
in
the
transition
and
it
sounds
like
dara
is
still
getting
the
chapter
set
up,
but
I
guess
I
would
I'd
love
to
have
your
final
submission
of
of
this
rig,
and
your
report,
as
a
chapter
I
think
would
be
great.
So
if
that
you
know
is,
is
something
that
you
think
it
would
be
possible
in
three
months.
I
think
it
would.
E
I
I'd
like
to
think
that's
possible
one
thing
to
mention:
we
are
a
cic
community
interest
company.
We
are
a
registered
organization,
we
have
a
ceo,
it's
it's
not
it's,
not
just
40
idiots
flying
in
loose
formation,
so
the
the
there
is
an
amount
of
weight
behind
it.
If
that
makes
sense,
it's
not
just
it's
not
just
a
logo.
D
Yeah,
I
I
would
I
I
would
be
in
favor,
though,
of
not
conflating
this
with
a
chapter
status
or
anything
you're
pursuing
that
you
and
ed
I
mean
there
is
an
established
procedure
for
establishing
yourself
as
a
chapter
you
and
ed
grieg
are
working
on
that
I
would.
I
would
encourage
you
to
pursue
that.
I
wouldn't
tie
it
in
to
this
550
in
any
way,
shape
or
form.
You
can
do
the
work,
whether
you're
a
chapter
or
not,
they're,
two
separate
issues
in
my
mind,
but.
A
Okay,
I
think
we
should
go
ahead
and
take
a
vote
on
this
then
so
might
as
well
start
with
you
bob
yes,
okay,
john,
yes
ben
yep,
isabella
yep,
and
I
vote
yes
as
well.
So
that's
unanimous
we're
going
to
go
ahead
and
fund
this
and
get
it
going,
john
I'll,
let
you
take
it
from
here
as
far
as
the
logistics.
C
Well
sure
so,
dere
you
have
a
choice.
You
can
simply
submit
an
invoice
for
the
whole
amount
to
open
collective
or,
if
there's
question
about
whether
these
are
actually
have
to
be
priced,
you
can
bundle
them
and
submit
them
to
open
collective.
But
it's
open,
collective,
slash,
enable
fund-
or
I
believe,
as
of
this
week,
finance.enable.org,
which
will
go
to
the
same
place
with.
C
C
We
can
trivially
pay
through
paypal,
which
has
little
or
no
fees,
so
that
would
be
preferable
if
you
can
provide
a
paypal
account.
E
E
You
all
right,
yeah,
hey,
that's!
That's!
That's
fine,
wonderful,
so
yeah!
I
I
will
make
an
account
and
and
get
started.
E
C
See
how
we
get
on
so
it
is
true
that
bundling
you
know
not.
D
Jeremy,
just
we
were
in
discussion
before
we
addressed
dara's
project
about
about
this
whole
thing
of
mismatch
of
recipients.
I
had
one
input,
I'd
like
to
just
kind
of
raise
absolutely
before
I
switch.
A
E
There
was
one
small
question
I
I've
made
the
assumption
that
using
the
hand
at
100
scale
that
you
know
the
all
set
it
all
sliders
to
the
middle
default
kinetic
hand,
is
the
right
way
to
go
any.
A
Because
we
talked
about
this
last
time
and
the
way
scale
is
going
to
impact
the
results
because
of
the
amount
of
flexible
material.
That's
in
the
hinge,
then
I
will
say
that
you
know
he
took
the
opposite
approach
of
most
of
our
devices.
So
instead
of
scaling
up
from
100
like
most
of
our
designs,
the
kinetic
candy
scale
down
from
100.
So
if
you
just
go
with
the
default
100
you're
dealing
with
what
would
be
a
hand
for
a
very,
very
large
adult,
that's
like
max
size
right!
A
D
A
D
E
E
A
A
E
I
I
think
I'd
I'd
start
with
the
first,
with
with
what
I've
got
and
then
yeah
I'll
I'll
make
a
note,
so
65
yeah
for.
A
D
Just
as
a
point
jeremy,
for
you,
I'm
making
a
kinetic
hand
now
for
mike
larson,
we
did
the
sizing.
I
had
sent
him
the
test
bombs.
A
D
A
All
right,
so
we
we
don't
have
much
time
left,
but
I
want
to
bring
us
back
just
briefly
to
the
topic
that
I
brought
before
and
we'll
just
talk
about
the
one
of
the
two
issues
which
has
to
do
with
you
know
having
more
volunteers
than
we
have
people
asking
for
devices
and
the
idea
that
we're
probably
going
to
have
to
think
about
how
do
we
get
out
there
and
get
the
word
out
and
bring
people
into
whatever
platform
we
end
up
using
for
that
and
bob.
I
think
you
had.
D
Over
the
past
several
months
there
have
been
a
number
of
tickets
coming
into
the
help
desk
for
prosthesis
for
animals,
and
I
generally
latch
them
onto
lars
because
he
did
the
work
with
the
secretary
bird
and
I
also
tell
them
to
post
in
the
forum
of
the
hub
join
the
hub
post
in
the
forum,
because
there
are
people
who
have
made
prostheses
for
various
animals,
and
it
seems
to
me
that,
with
the
popularity
of
pets
all
over
the
world
and
the
large
organizations
like
the
american
and
british
kennel
clubs,
things
like
this.
D
Things
like
that,
that's
that's
pretty
interesting
exactly
and
the
thought
here
is
in
this
imbalance.
One
way
is
to
get
the
word
out.
Another
way
is
to
increase
the
pool
of
recipients,
that's
true,
fair
go
non-human
and
I
I
think
there
is
a
hidden
pool
of
recipients
here
and
people
love
their
pets
as
a
as
a
dog
owner.
Now
I
can
attest
to
that
yeah
anyway.
That's
just
my
thought.
D
B
It's
a
great
point,
but
it
also
underscores
a
challenge
that
we
have
with
the
enable
model.
So
currently
we
sort
of
have
this
finish
line
of
giving
a
device.
It's
done.
We
have
chapters
that
say
I
have
all
these
devices
I
want
to
give
away
giving
devices
to
pets
follows
that
model
perfectly,
because
you
get
no
feedback
from
a
pet.
You
just
say
here
you
can
make
iterations,
but
you're
not
expecting
them
to
be
a
developer
or
I'm
not
sure.
A
They're
in
the
principal
I
mean,
pets
have
owners
and
their
owners
care
deeply
for
them,
and
I
think
that
you
would
get
feedback
from
the
owner.
He
seems
to
be
limping
he's,
not
walking.
Well
in
this,
it
seems
to
be
bothering
him
on
this
leg.
I
think
I,
but
you
raise
a
good
point.
I
I
think
in
both
cases
we
need
to
figure
out
how
to
do
a
better
job
of
of
extending
our
cycle
into
follow-up
and
feedback
right.
We
agree
completely
agree.
A
D
Mean
it
will
take
within
enable
to,
I
mean
we
have
to
look
at
what
designs
currently
exist.
There
are
there
pools
of
people
who
have
experience
in
this.
I
think
so
that
have
a
an
a
mission
that
they
would
love
to
contribute
towards
and
they
would
have
to
be.
You
know
rolled
out
and
tested
and
everything
else,
but
I'm
just
thinking
that
more
people
are
asking
us
about
this,
not
a
lot,
not
hundreds,
but
two,
three
four.
A
And
the
same,
the
same
applies
when
you
talk
about
expanding
the
pool.
Not
only
does
that
expand
the
pool
of
potential
recipients,
it
expands
the
pool
of
potential
volunteers.
There
are
a
lot
of
people
out
there
that
would
willingly
volunteer
their
time
to
help
animals
that
might
not
do
so
to
help
people
just
just
just
different
people,
different
strokes.
You
know.
C
And
it
would
probably
result
in
a
new
a
novel
set
of
stories
for
local
news
which
would
push
things
along.
So
it's.
D
C
Well,
you
know
that
that
that
was
the
point
I
was
going
to
make.
Is
that
we're
going
to
need
a
champion
but
outreach
to
dog
groups
and
cat
groups
and
veterinarians,
etc,
would
likely
end
up
being
a
part
of
this.
A
A
C
Regard
to
the
the
larger
issue,
you
know
I
like
to
think
that
what
we
ought
to
fund
if
we're
going
to
fund
anything,
is
things
that
volunteers
can't
do
won't
do
or
shouldn't
do
just
as
naive,
volunteers,
outreach
both
to
medical
and
perhaps
the
veterinary,
but
certainly
the
outreach
to
amputee
organizations
and
so
on,
is
something
we
volunteers
clearly
haven't
done
after
all
these
years,
and
if
the
right
person
came
along.
A
A
I
I
like
I
like
feet
legs
make
me
nervous,
but
that's
something
we
could
explore,
but
I
I
think
the
idea
of
having
somebody
I
mean
this.
I
look
at
this
as
a
core
challenge
that
this
community
has
faced
for
years.
This
is
not
something
new.
This
is
something
we've
struggled
with
for
a
long
time,
we've
tried
to
deal
with
it
in
a
number
of
ways
and
we
haven't
been
successful
to
me.
That's
a
good
case
for
like
john
was
saying
you
know.
Well,
maybe
there's
somebody
that
has
the
skill
set.
B
It's
worth
also
recognizing
who's
the
we
that
we're
talking
about
so
the
spc
just
might
be
the
wrong
organ.
For
that
we
do
have
chapters
that
have
figured
it
out.
We
talked
with
adam
arnfield
yesterday.
He's
got
a
this
whole.
I
think
really
innovative
system
of
having
this
sort
of
outreach
program
that
you
know,
local
doctors
in
the
field
need
to
have
a
certain
amount
of
recipient
volunteers
that
they
collect
and
then
there's
this
partnership.
That
builds,
I
think
their
number
was
12..
It
sounds
like
it's
been
taking
up
as
a
chapter.
A
A
That's
my
point:
that's
my
point,
then,
that
we
have
always
been
a
community
of
volunteers,
a
global
community
of
volunteers
and
over
the
last
two
years
I
have
felt
a
shifting
more
and
more
to
a
chapter
focus,
and
it's
feeling
more
and
more
like.
If
you
want
to
be
part
of
enable
you've
got
to
be
in
a
chapter
well,.
A
Don't
like
that,
I
I
think
we
should
be
supporting
volunteers
and
that's
why
we're
having
this
discussion
because
sure
chapters
have
it
figured
out
sure
chapters
can
have
ways
of
getting
cases
for
themselves.
But
the
reason
we're
here
is
to
solve
these
issues
for
the
global
volunteer
community,
those
individuals
that
just
want
to
help
somebody.
B
Well,
the
we
part
it
gets
murky,
so
we
in
the
spc
we're
not
an
organization,
and
we
can't
do
certain
things,
but
chapters
often
are
organizations
and
can
do
certain
things
that
we
this
we
can't
do,
but
we,
the
larger,
enable
movement
can
so
I
think
it
is
worth
recognizing
that
to
do
some
of
these
partnerships
with
traditional
institutions
like
health
care
systems,
there's
a
much
better
chance
of
having
a
traditional
organization
like
a
chapter
in
adam
arfield's
case,
making
those
partnerships
developing
those
relationships
and
following
up
with
that
kind
of
project,
individual
volunteers
won't
be
able
to
do.
A
We're
just
we're
just
talking
about
the
tool,
the
vehicle,
that's
fine.
What
I'm
saying
is,
who
other
than
us
is
going
to
be
the
one
to
make
that
happen.
We've
been
dealing
with
this
for
years,
pc
is
the
one
that
should
actually
take
the
lead
and
say
if
we
think
a
chapter
is
the
right
tool
to
get
it
done.
Then
let's
find
the
chapter.
Let's
make
sure
they
have
the
funding
and
support
they
need
to
do
it.
A
A
We
are
the
help
desk
for
the
enable
community.
Every
individual
volunteer
that
is
not
associated
with
a
chapter
is
emailing
us
saying:
how
can
I
find
recipients?
We
have
to
have
an
answer
for
them.
The
chapters
being
able
to
get
recipients
for
themselves
doesn't
help
us
to
answer
that
question.
That's
coming
in
every
day
to
us.
D
B
Right
and-
and
I
guess
this
comes
back
to
the
the
community
systems-
discussions
that
we've
been
having
that
some
groups,
the
sbc
or
slash-
enable
central
is
one
collection,
but
we
also
have
these
other
sort
of
regional
collections
like
enable
france
that
have
figured
out
ways
of
matching
volunteers
in
a
different
way,
and
I
guess
we
haven't
really
done
that
much
so
that
would
be
something
to
explore.
Enable
brazil
is
another
group,
that's
been
doing
stuff
similar
to
that.
I
think
we
can
learn
from
them.
A
C
C
It
points
out
that
he
is,
I
think,
one
of
our
most
accomplished.
Experts
at
helping
wannabe
university
chapters
deal
with
risk
management
issues,
a
recurring
topic,
providing
support
for
families
of
amputees,
getting
feedback
and
outreach
to
potential
recipients,
and
I'm
going
to
send
this
message
to
him
and
let's
pick
his
band
brain
and
see
what
might
come
from
that.
A
Sounds
good
great
all
right,
so
obviously
it's
an
ongoing
discussion
to
be
continued,
but
we've
run
a
little
long,
so
we
better
go
ahead
and
wrap
up
for
today.
Does
anybody
have
anything
that
we
need
to
talk
about
before
we
do
so?