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From YouTube: Weekly e-NABLE Town Hall Meeting - August 25, 2023
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This is a recording of the weekly e-NABLE Town Hall meeting.
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B
A
Well:
hey
Florian,
how's
it
going
I'm
good.
How
are
you
doing
just
fine?
Thank
you
well
good
morning
or
good
afternoon.
Everyone.
Thank
you
for
joining
today's
weekly
town
hall
meeting
today
is
August
the
25th
of
2023.
We
are
going
to
be
jumping
back
into
our
discussion
with
Mr
Florian,
valleys,
I'm,
sorry,
valleys
or
valleys.
I.
Don't
want
to
keep
mispronouncing
Florian.
A
Got
it
okay
with
the
Florian
then,
and
we'll
be
hopping
into
that
discussion
in
just
a
little
bit.
Obviously,
though,
we
have
a
little
bit
of
housekeeping
to
cover
before
we
resume
that
discussion
so
far
and
if
you'll
bear
with
us.
While
we
go.
A
Free
to
hop
onto
Tick,
Tock
or
whatever
until
we
get
to
you,
but
we
are
going
to
walk
through
our
to-do
list
and
to
do
that.
I
just
got
to
share
my
screen.
A
Which
should
be
sharing
now.
Excuse
me
bless
you
already.
Sarah
are
these
posts
from
The
Hub
up
to
date,
as
of
today,
okay,
beautiful?
In
that
case,
we
will
just
work
from
here,
alrighty,
so
posts
of
note.
From
the
past
week
we
have
a
number.
This
is
great
I'm,
going
to
go
ahead
and
just
load
all
of
these
up
and
I.
A
Think
I'm
also
going
to
do
some
of
the
prep
work
I
had
planned
to
do
before
we
started
before
I
had
some
trouble
getting
the
appropriate
Zoom
account
online,
just
pull
this
over
as
well
all
right,
okay,
so,
first
off
we
have
Kaiju,
then
Apologies
by
mispronouncing
that
Kai
but
Kai
had
a
quick
post
about
a
work
that
he
did
during
his
PhD
research,
the
idea
being
to
improve
printing
quality
by
modifying
inexpensive
fdm
machines
like
the
industry,
Pro
optimizing,
the
infill
design
based
on
an
FEA
simulation
result
he'll
be
presenting
this
in
the
bionic
design
meeting,
or
rather
he
did
a
week
ago.
A
Already
it
looks
like
we
have
some
good
discussion
here:
John
I
see
that
you
tagged
Kyle
Reeser.
Is
he
still
active
in
the
community?
I
I,
don't
think
I've
ever
connected
with
them.
One-On-One
I
know
he's
doing
a
lot
of.
E
D
E
Is
still
three
crealities
Ambassador
whatever
that
means
and
once
in
a
while
the
planets
align
and
he
goes
on
some
trip,
he
went
to
Tanzania
and
he
went
to
Dominican,
yeah
I,
think
Dominican
Republic.
So.
C
A
Yeah
the
reason
I
ask
is
given
the
part
of
the
world
he's
working
and
I
thought
he
might
be
interested
in
some
of
these
discussions
with
yugani
in
Florian,
but
yeah.
We
can
cross
that
bridge
when
we
come
to
it
John
Jeremy.
Are
there
any
elements
here
that
you'd
like
to
speak
to
I?
Think
honestly,
this
is
a
little
bit
above
my
pay
grade.
F
I
wasn't
present
at
the
meeting
where
he
presented
this
so
I'd
have
to
get
into
it
in
more
detail.
Just
from
what
you
described,
it
sounds
pretty
pretty
cool
I'll
say
that
it's
pretty
advanced
stuff
I
have
no
doubt
it
could
be
effective.
It's
I
think
for
me
it
would
all
be
a
matter
of
just
kind
of
you
know.
How
do
you
make
it
accessible
and
easy
for
other
people
to
take
advantage
of,
but.
A
B
D
But
just
a
very
enthusiastic
researcher
really
eager
to
to
hear
feedback.
Okay,.
A
Great
sounds
good
alrighty.
Well,
let's
move
on
to
the
next
post.
Then
we
have
Avery
Sizemore,
an
apologies
I'm
trying
to
get
my
screen
real
estate
optimized
here.
So
Avery
is
working
on
the
case.
He
said,
he's
fabricated,
multiple
devices,
previously
this
one's
different
as
a
young
child
with
wrist
Mobility,
with
a
partial
thumb
which
makes
most
models
available
through
enable
difficult
to
work
with.
A
Obviously,
we
would
need
a
little
bit
more
information
here,
Connie
jumped
in,
but
having
some
photos
or
a
video
of
the
residual
limb
and
the
mobility
that
is
in
place.
There
obviously
would
be
the
best
starting
point:
I've
seen
Avery's
name
pop
up
here
and
there
I
don't
know
anything
about
Avery.
G
F
What
we
find
is
that
the
if
it's
short
enough,
there's
there's
not
enough
to
actually
affect
a
gripping
function,
and
yet
the
you
know
the
the
device
portion
that
surrounds
the
the
thumb
base
kind
of
interferes
with
natural
motion,
and
so
it's
it's
kind
of
hard.
You
know
if
you,
if
you
do
a
device
that
has
a
thumb.
It
ends
up
being
too
big,
like
he's
saying,
but.
A
Okay,
I'll
I'll
reach
out
there
I
think
tynara
would
be
a
good
one
to
weigh
in
here.
Just
given
the
the
functional
elements
that
need
to
be
considered
and
I
know,
we
have
a
couple
of
other
OTS
in
the
community,
but
this
might
be
a
good
chance
to
try
to
get
a
little
bit
more
participation
there
from
that
broader
group.
In
fact,
I
think
tynar
has
her
next
Healthcare
topics
meeting
next
Monday.
This
might
be
an
interesting
thing
if
Avery
wanted
to
jump
in
there.
That
might
be
something
worth
discussing.
F
That's
actually
an
interesting
question:
do
you
know
Adam
if,
in
those
Health
Care
meetings
is
part
of
what
they
do
to
kind
of
look
at
some
of
the
more
challenging
cases
together
and
discuss
approaches
you.
A
Know
it's
it's
a
nascent
format.
I!
Don't
think
that
tainar
has
really
landed
on
anything
firm.
I
think
that
she
has
some
initial
outlines
for
how
she'd
like
to
approach
it,
but
I.
Think
taking
this
as
an
opportunity
to
bring
people
to
weigh
in
on
specific
cases
might
be
a
really
great
use
of
time.
Yeah.
F
D
A
We'll
do
that
too,
all
right!
Wonderful,
let's
move
on
to
the
next
one!
We've
got
speaking
of
tainara,
something
that
she
has
shared
in
the
past.
That's
pretty
cool!
Is
this
adaptation
she
created
for
better
gripping
plastic
bottles
when
for
people
using
the
prosthetic
device?
It's
really
neat
this.
A
If
it's
the
same
one,
that
I've
seen
it's
a
flexible
little
cylinder
that
you
simply
place
the
plastic
bottle
in
and
where
she
works
in
Brazil
she's
said
that
most
everyone
carries
around
a
plastic
water
bottle
just
to
make.
You
know,
fill
up
at
any
of
the
you
know
and
like
drink
stations
can
get
pretty
hot
as
I
understand
it,
and
this
makes
it
a
lot
easier
for
something
that
doesn't
have
a
great
deal
of
active
grip
strength
to
use.
As
a
you
know,
functional
device
for
a
hang
on
to
it.
A
She
has
a
couple
of
with,
and
without
you
know
before
and
after
videos
that
she
shared
of
using
a
device
without
the
the
grip
assist
and
using
it
with
It's.
A
Day,
okay:
we've
got
another
post
from
and
again
I'm
kind
of
dashing
through
these,
because
obviously
I
want
to
get
to
Florian,
so
we're
not
taking
up
too
much
of
his
time,
but
Trevor
britson
posted
this
is
another
individual
I,
don't
know,
know
the
design
for
a
prosthesis
to
hold
the
pick
to
play.
Guitar.
The
sun
has
a
nice
3D
printer,
but
we
need
a
template.
I
don't
know
if
this
is
for
Trevor
for
Trevor's
son
or
for
someone
they
know.
A
F
Well,
it's
others
have
done
that
work
and
I
see
that
there's
a
couple
of
good
links
down
there
already,
but
I
I
yeah
I
find
myself
wondering
if
something
you
know
John
and
his
team
developed
a
gripper
hand.
That's
just
you
know
it's
kind
of
closed
by
default
and
I
wonder
if
a
device
like
that
wouldn't
be
able
to
naturally
Pinch
A
a
guitar
pick
without
needing
a
special
design.
I,
don't
know
if
that's
been
tried.
E
I
think
you
would
you'd
probably
need
to
put
like
a
a
very
strong
rubber
band
to
to
make
it
grip,
but
yeah.
That's
not
rocket
science
either
yeah.
F
F
That
might
be,
you
might
want
to
click
on
the
Salvation
guitar
pick
adapter,
because
I
know
Nate
is
a
guitar
player
himself,
so
that
might
be
that
kind
of
design.
I'm
not
familiar
with
this
one.
E
No,
that's
just
something
that
he
put
above
his
elbow.
Oh.
E
Know
the
let
me
turn
on
my
video.
The
gripper
hand
is
a
good
idea
and
its
grip
is
sort
of
like
sorry
like
this,
meaning
that
the
forefinger
sticks
out
a
little
bit.
If
you
were
to
just
hacksaw
a
snitch
in
the
tip
of
the
finger,
you
could
then
glue
or
screw
a
pick
in
there.
F
E
F
I
actually
I
I
did
some
experimentation
with
3D
printing
picks
for
myself,
just
because
I
wanted
something
I
I,
you
know
for
me
I,
it's
kind
of
frustrating,
because
sometimes
when
you're
playing
it
slips
out
of
your
fingers
and
so
I
designed
some
3D
printable
picks
that
have
TPU
mixed
into
them
with
like
rubbery
grips
built
in,
but
as
part
of
experimenting
with
that
I
found
that,
yes,
you
can
3D
print
a
pick
in
a
like
a
tough
pla
material
and
because
of
the
thinness,
it
does
have
a
similar
flexibility.
A
Do
you
want
to
I
mean,
would
you
be
interested
in
just
dropping
I
I,
don't
know
if
you
have
any
files
that
you've
been
you've.
F
Played
with
handy
but
well
it's
just
the
pick
itself
I,
don't
think
that
would
be
of
much
help
to
them.
I.
F
Would
need
to
figure
out
which
design
would
be
the
best
fit
and
then
model
that
into
it.
There
are
plenty
of
pick
designs
on
thingiverse
and
it's
just
a
matter
of
somebody.
That
knows
you
know
mesh
mixer
or
something
like
that.
It's
really
a
matter
of
merging
two
STL
files
together,
it
modeling
is
really
not
my
forte
I.
E
But
I
guess
it's
Sarah
who
will
write
the
response.
The
emergent
recommendation
is
indeed
to
take
a
gripper
hand
and
modify
it
digitally
or
mechanically
to
secure
a
pick
right
on
to
the
end
of
the
forefinger
that
there
are
probably
design
3D
printed,
printable
designs
for
picks
online,
but
it's
a
very
simple
object
and
there's
nothing
wrong
with
with
hot
glue
either
just
for
attaching
something
to
the
fingertips.
D
A
All
right,
oh
it
looks
like
oh
hi.
It
looks
like
we
actually
have
Tyler
on
the
call,
hey
Tyler,
how
you
doing.
A
Let's
move
on
to
our
next
post:
we've
got
one
from
Tanya.
Lurch
Tanya
is
a
California
based
educator.
She
has
a
maker
space
in
her
I
believe
it's
private,
high
school
and
gosh
I
want
to
say
it's
in
the
Bay
Area,
but
she
specializes
in
Connecticut
she's,
really
fascinating
person
for
anyone
who
wants
to
learn
more
about
Prince
and
kinetic
hands
and
leading
student
groups
and
developing
curriculum
there.
A
But
anyway,
that's
all
on
the
side
wondering
if
anyone
has
an
update
on
the
development
of
the
kinetic
arm
by
Matt.
Botel
Connecticut
is
our
risk
actuative
device
of
choice,
advantages
or
Monumental
compared
to
other
devices,
she's
seen
prototypes
of
elbow
actuated
versions,
they
were
finishing.
Testing
should
have
the
design
releasing
July
this
year
for
people
to
download
they
have
five
or
six
recipients
who
received
quawua
anyway,
3.0
or
unlimited
arms.
A
The
past
were
anxiously
awaiting
an
upgrade
they're,
currently
using
a
quagu
3.0
socket
with
a
kineticant
hybrid,
which
works
well,
but
has
some
challenges
I'd
be
really
interested
in
this
too?
Incidentally,
yeah
so
looks
like
we
have
a
lot
of
discussion
here
about
this.
We've
got
an
update
from
Kristoff
who
dropped
in
the
Facebook.
A
A
Any
thoughts
anything
additional
context
share
Marshall.
H
No,
she
looks
like
she's
got
a
lot
of
good
information
and
the
conversation
that
I
saw
but
like
they
were,
you
know
bouncing
some
ideas
back
and
forth.
I
got
some
good
feedback
from
her
regarding
an
arm
that
I'm
trying
out
trying
to
improve
for
somebody,
but.
A
Excellent
okay!
Well,
that's
really
good
I!
Think
I
think
the
community
is
working
as
designed
in
this
case.
So
that's
perfect.
We'll
move
on
to
the
next
one!
A
F
G
F
Say
is
they're
they're
they're,
creating
a
little
bit
of
a
challenge
for
themselves
by
doing
it?
Eighty
percent
that's
an
awfully
small
scale
and
it
does
make
it
harder
to
assemble
I,
usually
recommend
somewhere
in
the
range
of
120
to
130
percent,
to
make
things
easier,
but
there's
nothing
wrong
with
it
doesn't
mean
they
can't
get
approved
or
anything
it's
fine.
It
just
makes
it
a
little
bit
more
challenging.
F
Somebody
should
answer
her
other
questions
about.
You
know
how
they
you'd
have
to
scroll
up
again.
It
was
something
about.
How
do
we
get
approval?
Do
we
have
to
send
them
somewhere?
It
was
up
higher
in
the.
H
F
A
And
just
as
a
point
of
order,
I
want
to
point
out
how
helpful
Marshall
has
been
in
the
community
across
the
board
in
recent
months.
Just
want
to
say
thanks
Marshall,
for
all
everything
you've
been
doing
to
help
people
out
with
that.
We
have
a
couple
of
other
items
to
discuss,
including
the
mission
statement
poll
that
was
released,
I'm
happy
to
walk
through
that,
but
I
I
don't
want
to
hold
off
Florian
too
much
longer.
A
So
unless
anyone
has
anything
pressing,
they'd
like
to
drop
it
and
I'm
going
to
pass
things
over
to
Florian
once
again
for
those
who
worked
in
attendance
at
last
week's
Town,
Hall
I'll
just
give
you
one
more
quick
intro
for
you
and
Florian
is
the
founder
of
ugani
Prosthetics
and
profia.
It's
an
Africa
based
Prosthetics
company
that
aims
to
Foster,
self-reliant,
I
guess
could
be
a
term
self-sustaining,
Prosthetics
infrastructure
across
the
African
continent.
A
A
So
Florian
I
know
that
you
wanted
to
share
your
thoughts
about
what,
where
we
could
identify
points
for
collaboration.
I'm
sure
folks
have
been
ruminating
on
last
week's
discussion
might
have
some
questions
or
thoughts,
but
I'll
kick
it
over
to
you,
wherever
you
like
to
begin.
C
Yeah
very
good,
yeah
I
think
we
left
last
week.
Indeed
after
I
told
a
couple
of
differences
between
my
organization
and
most
other
organizations
active
in
low
and
middle
income,
countries
in
the
prosthetic
and
orthotic
world,
and
then
I
identified
a
couple
of
IDs
a
couple
of
situations
where
I
think
that
enable
can
help
more
people.
C
So
one
of
them
is
indeed
the
geographic
discrepancy
between
where
what
you
are
doing
has
the
biggest
impact
and
where
what
you
are
doing
is
actually
being
done,
then
also
a
couple
of
IDs
on
the
Aesthetics
that
I
see
as
well
that
earlier
you
mentioned
one
of
the
people
in
The
Forum,
who
asked
for
something
as
aesthetic
as
possible.
So
I
think
it's
an
ongoing
discussion
for
you
as
well
yeah
for
me,
I
want
to
stop
last
time,
even
before
a
lot
of
questions
could
be
asked.
So
maybe,
let's
start
with
that.
F
I
would
I
would
like
to
just
offer
one
comment
on
this,
which
I
think
is
a
really
important
view,
but
just
to
put
this
into
a
little
bit
of
context,
let's
keep
in
mind
that
the
map
that
we're
looking
at
here
is
the
chapters
map,
and
so
each
of
those
icons
represents
a
chapter.
It
doesn't
necessarily
mean
that
that's
where
the
help
is
all
being
directed.
F
H
F
Reason
we
have
so
many
there,
but
it's
it's
still
very
relevant,
but
that's
not
to
say
that
there
isn't
any.
B
C
No
but
I
I
want
to
reply
immediately
on
this
and
I
think
what
you're
saying
is
true,
but
having
something
made
in
a
more
wealthy
country
and
then
shipped
to
a
less
wealthy
country
is
by
definition
not
sustainable,
transport
and
Logistics
are
held
in
most
developing
countries.
Costs
become
crazy,
there's
corruption
everywhere
next
year,
I'm
shipping
a
container
to
Congo.
It
can
take
between
three
months
and
three
years
to
get
there
just
to
give
you
guys
an
ID
and
a
lot
of
people
have
been
trying.
C
This
postfits
that
you
might
know
from
Bulgaria
is
a
good
example.
The
issue
with
that
for
me
is
as
well
that
in
the
prosthetic
world
for
lower
limb,
it's
more
than
for
Upper
Limb,
but
a
prosthetic
needs
to
be
custom
made
for
a
patient
and
so
having
a
person
in
the
USA,
even
if
they
make
a
great
prosthetic
if
they
haven't
seen
the
patient,
especially
for
lower
limb.
Again,
you
will
have
some
discrepancy
and
I've
seen
the
model
of
crossfits
they've
been
trying
in
Africa
for
the
past
five
years.
C
They
are
getting
nowhere
because
they're
also
removing
the
whole
pride
and
the
whole
work
from
here,
so
they're
kind
of
yeah
kind
of
destroying
the
local
ecosystem.
Instead
of
building
on
it,
John
I
see
you
have
a
question.
H
E
Hand,
on
the
one
hand,
shipping
and
the
separation
of
the
maker
from
the
patient
is
the
challenge
and,
on
the
other
hand
the
most
prevalent
hand
doesn't
fit
the
African
aesthetic
so,
and
we've
been
aware
of
this
for
a
long
time.
What
we
haven't
had
is
I,
don't
know
an
entrepreneur
who
is
doing
who's
on
the
continent,
who's
doing
shipping
and
is
probably
talking
to
lots
of
people.
So
my
question
for
you
is
okay
agreed.
Let
me
say
first
of
all,
there
are
more
aesthetic
devices
available
there.
E
The
two
I
would
call
your
attention
to
are,
in
particular
the
quavo
and
then
the
sorry,
the
quavo
second
and
the
kinetic
first
I
think
both
of
them
could
be
made
easier
to
Assemble
and
we
have
had
a
project
which,
frankly,
just
didn't
make
it
across
the
finish
line,
but
we
could
put,
we
might
revive
it
and
try
to
make
something
with
the
kinetic
cosmetic
but
easier
to
to
build
and
then
make
that
available
to
you.
E
C
Yeah
so
I
think,
first
of
it
concretely
to
make
it
happen.
I
have
one
of
my
main
Engineers
he's
from
Chile
South
American
and
here
in
Kenya.
I
have
another
Kenyan
engineer,
so
what
I
would
suggest
is
maybe
that
your
design
team
sits
together
with
them
once
or
twice,
and
that
together
they
look
at
how
they
can
Implement
their
local
skills
and
their
local
experience
in
this
design.
I
do
appreciate
that
you're
already
working
on
it.
C
It's
good
to
see
that
you're
aware
of
these
things,
but
that
could
be
something
very
easy
to
implement.
Furthermore,
one
of
the
biggest
issues
in
lower
middle
income
countries-
and
this
is
this
completely
agrees
with
what
Jeremy
said-
is
that
it
the
amount
of
people
that
have
a
3D
printer
here
and
that
can
use
it
is
very
limited,
especially
when
you
look
at
certain
materials
that
are
more
durable,
like
polypropylene,
it's
very
difficult,
difficult
to
find
people
who
can
print
it.
C
This
is
also
why
we
from
Kenya
we
in
our
expansion
model
to
neighboring
countries.
We
choose
to
have
one
3D
print
Workshop,
so
that
we
can
ensure
quality.
There
have
been
hundreds
of
3D
printers,
maybe
thousands
that
were
sent
to
Africa
I
can
promise
you
there's
only
three
that
are
working
and
those
three
are
in
my
workshop.
Sadly
enough,
but
no
I
know,
for
example,
of
a
guy
taiwo
in
Nigeria.
He
might
have
reached
out
to
you
already
because
he's
very,
very
active
on
the
on
the
social
media.
C
These
kind
of
people
are
really
the
the
people
that
that
I
think
you
need
they're
difficult
to
find,
but
I
recently
a
person
from
South
Africa
reached
out
to
me.
Similarly,
next
year
we
are
opening
a
workshop
in
Kinshasa,
so
I
think,
instead
of
growing
massively.
C
Let's
work
on
two
things:
let's
first
make
a
design
that
works
for
Africa
and
then
let's
work,
maybe
with
two
or
three
workshops
to
start
with,
and
then
we
can
do
some
more
iterations
and
within
the
next
two
or
three
years
we
can
then
grow
to
local
chapters
and
everything
that
you
normally
do,
because
you
can
like
just
today,
I
met
with
with
an
engineer,
an
engineer
from
the
University
of
of
Kampala
in
Uganda.
C
They
are
also
working
on
mobile
Upper,
Limb
Prosthetics.
He
showed
me
a
picture
of
it.
It's
quite
sad,
they've
been
doing
a
PhD
for
five
years.
It's
a
couple
of
wooden
bars
with
some
screws
and
some
duct
tape,
but
they
also,
he
told
me
that
I
have
a
3D
printer.
So
I
shared
your
website
with
him
those
people
in
the
end.
That's
the
nice
thing
about
your
solution.
You
don't
need
the
prosthetist,
you
don't
need
a
crazy
engineer.
You
need
a
3D
engine.
C
If
you
have
that
one
profile
you
can
make
it
happen
and
by
now
I'm
sure
that
that
at
least
in
every
country
there
is
at
least
one
3D
engineer.
There
are
Fab
labs
in
countries
like
Nigeria,
like
Morocco,
Egypt,
South,
Africa
Botswana.
That's
a
huge
Network
I
think
that
people
from
MIT
are
also
involved
there
in
the
Fab
Lab
Foundation.
C
There
will
also
be
I
think
for
for
you
a
very,
very
interesting
way
to
reach
these
people,
especially
that
you
don't
need
any
special
printers.
Our
printers
need
to
be
quite
big,
quite
sturdy
direct
drive,
but
if
you
can
print
the
hand
in
any
material
you
want,
then
that's
not
necessary.
The
components
are
quite
small.
E
Okay,
so
there
are
two
steps,
but
I
do
want
to
ask
Florin.
Have
you
looked
at
our
gripper
hand?
Yes,.
C
It's
very
nice,
but
I
would
rather
have
a
solution
that
is
smaller
and
where
you
can
put
a
glove
over
people,
don't
have
a
lot
of
money,
but
people
will
invest
in
a
glove,
a
silicone
glove.
C
You
can
get
that
for
about
fifty
dollars
in
China,
and
that
is
really
it.
I
find
it
often
very
strange
in
African
contexts,
sometimes
I
meet
people
that
cannot
afford
food
for
their
children,
but
then
they
have
a
smartphone
of
two
hundred
dollars.
So
you
really
need
to
look
at
what
people
want
to
spend
money
on
and
so
I
think
having
a
smaller
device.
That
is
mechanic.
That
is,
that
that
moves,
but
where
they
can
put
a
glove
over
I,
think
that
will
have
more
success
here.
C
E
This
I
think
this
is
I,
think
you've
identified
this
as
the
first
step
is
to
have
a
viable
hand
or
arm
that
you
could.
So,
let's
pursue
this
a
little
bit
the
notion
that
they
want
a
silicon
glove
makes
sense.
It
looks
more
natural,
it
feels
more
natural
to
the
third
party
and,
and
that
would
require
a
modification
of
the
hand.
E
It
also
suggests
that
the
kinetic
and
the
quavo
are
not
really
what
you
want
I'm
now
beginning
to
think
that
a
gripper
skeleton
that
could
accommodate
a
a
glove
might
be
the
most
robust
solution.
I,
don't
know
I
mean
so
if
you
took
the
Aesthetics
away
from
the
gripper
and
just
narrowed
the
digits,
so
there
were
gaps
between
them.
A
This
is
something
that
I've
talked
about
with
tinara
a
bit
and
tynara
I
don't
mean
to
put
you
on
the
spot,
but,
given
your
you
know,
direct
experience
and
training
functionality
as
an
occupational,
therapist
I
know
that
we've
talked
about
how
recreating
you
know
a
full
hand,
doesn't
really
result
in
the
most
function
and
that
if
we
were
looking
at
something
more
like
you
know,
a
prehensile
split
hook,
design
something
that
could
then
have
something
like
a
silicone
hand
wrapped
over
it.
Do
you
think
that
that
might
tynara?
A
G
I
think
maybe
it's
possible,
but
it's
like
it's
difficult
because
it
depends
of
the
case
and
the
people.
But
maybe
it's
sorry.
No.
G
D
A
A
Your
idea
about
your
designer
in
Chile,
we
can
honestly
not
to
give
give
away
the
goat
too
early,
but
I've
put
together
a
Discord
group
with
taiwo
courage,
a
half
dozen
other
prosthetists
and
designers
across
Canada
and
the
African
continent
we're
trying
to
get
together
a
plan
to
design
something
exactly
like
this.
A
So
we'll
we
can
look
you
in
and
see
if
we
can
get
something
get
get
this
get.
This
started.
I
also
want
to
say
that
Tanya
Lurch
star
from
earlier
in
this
this
discussion,
who's
based
in
California,
her
team
I
know
they
create
silicone
wraps
for
the
kinetic
cans
specifically
or
at
least
that
was
my
impression
when
she
was
describing
it
to
me
earlier
this
year.
A
So
she
might
have
some
insight
here
about
how
to
make
this
more
cosmetically
appropriate,
using
existing
designs
if
or
going
further
finding
something
more
functional
that
can
still
be.
You
know
cosmetically
applied
yeah.
This
sounds
really
exciting.
This.
C
Is
an
ideal
world?
No,
it's
interesting,
like
I
met
taiwo
last
year,
he's
a
good
friend
of
mine.
I
went
to
Lagos
to
to
visit
him,
so
he's
been
making
a
lot
of
progress
as
well,
but
in
it
as
in
an
Ideal
World,
everyone
has
a
perfect
bionic
hand
and
a
cover
and
it
costs
twenty
dollars.
Sadly
enough,
that's
not
the
world
we
live
in,
so
I
think.
Ideally
you
already
have
this
this
kinetic
hands.
C
C
This
is
why
I
shared
the
Spotify
in
the
link.
It's
about
prosthetist
in
Nigeria,
I
think
is,
and
they
make
very
real
life.
Silicone
Prosthetics
and
people
pay
a
lot
of
money
for
it,
so
people
are
able
and
can
find
if
can
find
money
for
things
that
they
think
is,
are
worth
it
so
ideally
yeah.
Maybe
we
can
adapt
this
hand,
so
it
includes
a
cover.
C
But
then
you
know
you
get
the
the
lifelike
hands,
which
is
mobile,
which
is
a
bit
more
expensive
and
then
indeed
we
get
the
more
affordable
option
which
is
or
mobile,
but
not
lifelike
or
not
mobile
and
lifelike
and
I.
Think
if
we
have
these
three
options,
you
can
cover
the
whole
world
with
this
very
easily
and
I'm
talking
prices.
I
think
this
one
is
thirty
dollars.
If
I'm,
not
mistaken,
I
think
I
think
you're
spot
on
in
terms
of
pricing
for
these
kind
of
devices.
E
John,
okay,
so
congratulations,
Adam
I
think
you've
pulled
together
the
right
group
to
do
this
as
usual.
My
caution
would
be
to
take
an
existing
design
and
then
hack
away
at
it
digitally
to
make
it
glove
compatible
rather
than
get
into
the
bottomless
pit
of
trying
to
redesign
something
from
scratch,
because.
C
E
It
can
be
done
and
if
it's
going
under
a
glove,
it
really
only
has
to
have
the
mechanical
functionality
minus
some
of
what
people
have
labeled
so
hard
for.
Secondly,
the
Second
Challenge,
though,
is
the
socket
and
Lauren
I
just
want
to
make
sure
that
you
I
don't
know
what
you
have
in
mind
for
sockets
so
I.
This
is
a
standard,
gripper
hand
produce
James
quilty
in
Thailand,
and
here
is
a
3D
printed
thing.
E
Not
complicated,
but
quite
robust
and
Native
flexible
material,
and
this
comes
pretty
close
to
a
one
size
fits
all
I.
Think
for
someone
who's
gotten
most
of
their
arm.
It
looks
like
it's.
A
firm
grip
on
here
would
not
be
a
burden,
but
it's
soft
and
then
you've
got.
You
know
the
the
handy
question,
so
this
design
is
available.
James
has
been
amazingly
reluctant
to
give
us
a
presentation
on
it,
but
oh
it's
amazing.
It's
a
simple
design
and
yeah.
E
It
might
be
worth
this
group
thinking
about
also
because,
as
we've
you
know,
as
we
all
know,
it's
the
part
that
attaches
to
the
body
that
the
prosthetist
will
be
particularly
sensitive
to
and
the
patient
will
be
very
sensitive
if
it
is
below
their
comfort
threshold.
Yes,.
C
Yeah
and
what
I
like
about
this
as
well
is
you
can
have
the
silicone
gloves?
You
can
have
the
short
ones
that
stop
at
your
wrist,
but
you
also
have
the
long
ones
that
continue
all
the
way
up.
C
But
then,
if,
if
you're
doing
one
size
fits
out
kind
of
things,
then
immediately
any
engineer
should
ask
the
question:
if
3D
is
the
right
approach,
because
I'm
sure,
if
you
have
three
sizes,
I
call
my
people
in
China
who
manufacture
some
components,
they
make
half
a
million
of
them
for
literally
half
a
dollar
per
unit,
but
then
we
need
to
be
sure
of
the
design.
Before
we
do
that.
E
I
think
that's
right
and
by
the
way,
in
the
long
run,
I
do
think
that
injection
molding
is
the
right
technique
for
most
of
these
devices,
but
I
think
it's
probably
right
that
you
want
to
deal
with
rapid
prototypes
before
you
send
to
China
for
both
for
both
the
harness
and
the
and
the
terminal
device.
One.
E
If
you
know,
if
tainara
is
making
silicone
gloves,
yeah
I
could
imagine
a
silicone
glove
with
metal
rods
to
reinforce
the
glove
that
would
then
function
as
the
the
harness,
as
well
as
the
thing
that
attaches
to
the
hand
again.
That
becomes
an
interesting
project,
but
slipping
metal
rods
into
a
silicone
mold
is
something
she
should
have
on
her
radar
for
the
future.
C
A
If
it's
all
right,
I
want
to
move
on
to
open
the
floor
for
any
other
questions,
just
because
we
have
about
18
minutes
left
here
in
our
time
well,
I
see
we
have
a
couple
of
additional
folks
on
the
call,
hey
Evan.
We
also
have
vivec
and
Tamara
hi
everyone
thanks
for
joining
today's
call.
Well,
the
the
fact
did
you
have
any
questions
for
Florian
while
we
have
him
here.
B
I'm
still
coming
up
to
speed,
I've
been
with
enabled
for
a
while,
but
I've
never
met
Florence
and
never
first
time.
I've
looked
at
this.
This
is
fantastic
Okay,
so
he
gave
up
Memorial
questions
just.
A
Well,
I'll
steal
the
floor,
then,
because
I
have
a
question
so
Florian,
obviously
you're
working
predominantly
or
exclusively
on
the
lower
extremity
I'd
like
to
just
open
the
door
to
see
how
and
where
enable
might
support.
Your
current
efforts.
A
I
know
Jeremy
that
you've
raised
a
lot
of
really
valid,
I,
guess,
yellow
flags
just
to
say
you
know
we
may
not
want
to
explore
the
lure
extremity
space
just
to
make
sure
that
our
you
know
that
we
don't
get
on
the
radar
of
any
governing
or
bodies
that
might
want
to
make
sure
that
we
stay
firmly
in
our
lane.
A
You
know
that
we're
not
getting
into
the
the
realm
of
medical
devices
but
I'd
like
to
see
if
we
can
tow
that
line
well
enough,
that
we
can
still
be
of
use
to
some
of
the
ongoing
work
that
the
flooring
is
currently
doing.
A
C
Yeah
yeah
there's
a
couple
of
things
that
come
to
mind.
First,
quick
one
is
that
if
there
are
any
professional,
prosthetists
or
taughtests
in
this
community,
they
can
start
using
our
ufit
software
to
design
lower
limb.
Sockets,
it's
open
source,
it's
free,
you
can
just
download
it.
The
more
people
use
it,
the
more
we'll
be
able
to
improve
on
it
and
the
more
we
will
be
forcing
Autobook
to
reduce
their
ridiculous
prices
for
their
stupid
software.
C
So
that's,
of
course,
very
nice.
I.
C
That
would
be
good,
we've
developed
it
both
for
Western
and
for
low
and
middle
income
countries.
So
you
can
add
pidlock
systems.
All
of
these
things
I
want
to
indeed
come
back
also
on
what
you're
mentioning
about
the
lower
extremities
from
our
experience.
It's
it's
really
the
whole
idea
having
anyone
make
a
prosthetic
that
doesn't
work
for
lower
extremities,
there's
too
much
weight
on
there
too
much
pressure.
C
It's
it's
much
more
dangerous.
It's
one
of
the
issues
we
have
as
well,
which
is
why
the
Youfit
software
is
only
available
for
professional
prosthetists,
so
yeah
really
watch
out.
If
you
want
to
go
that
way,
it's
a
dangerous
and
slippery
slope,
but
at
the
same
time
it's
quite
nice
because,
as
you
probably
know,
every
prosthetic
is
custom
made,
so
there's
no
ISO
or
CE
or
whatever
FDA
approval
needed.
It's
just
the
prosthetist
that
does
it.
C
Furthermore,
I
was
thinking
yes
in
general.
What
we
could
work
on
together
are
things
like
this.
We
have
an
engineering
team
and
a
prosthetist
team
that
is
constantly
looking
for
improved
Prosthetics
and
Orthotics.
C
Up
till
now,
we
focused
on
below
knee
truly
and
above
knee,
but
those
are
quite
good
right
now.
So
within
the
next
months
we
will
start
working
on
hands
arms
elbows,
whatever
you
want,
you
name
it.
So
that's
something
really
where
I
think
that
the
enable
Community
has
more
experience
than
us.
Much
you've
been
in
this
much
longer,
so
I
would
be
very
to
look
together
into
what
exists
and
then
maybe
something
very
stupid
as
well,
but
we
don't
have
the
budget
to
test
every
new
printer
that
exists
and
every
new
filament.
C
So
if
once
every
six
months
or
every
year,
your
whole
worldwide
network
does
an
evaluation
of
existing
printers
innovation
in
the
field,
New
Solutions
new
filaments.
C
That
could
be
very
interesting
for
us
as
well
to
just
you
know,
be
implied
there
see
what
exists
and
see
how
we
can
maybe
lower
costs.
At
the
same
time,
our
printers
need
to
be
quite
big,
because
you
can
imagine
that
printing
a
tie
and
above
the
knee
socket,
is
quite
huge,
but
that's
something
else
and
then
yeah.
Lastly,
I
told
you
that
we
are
not
the
biggest
fan
of
the
whole
non-profit
model,
but
at
the
same
time,
in
extreme
lower
income
countries
with
a
lot
of
poverty.
C
There's
some
people
that
just
cannot
afford
it,
and
so
we
also
launched
the
ugani
foundation,
which
searches
for
money
to
invest
in
first
of
all,
training,
orthopedic,
technologists
and
Professionals
in
lower
and
middle
income
countries
in
the
use
of
these
new
technologies
and
also
helps
different
workshops
to
give
discounts
to
patients.
We
never
give
things
for
free,
but
we
give
discounts
up
to
95
percent,
so
it
literally
comes
down
to
paying
five
dollars,
but
still
they're
paying
something.
So
that's
for
me.
C
A
No
I
think
that's
really
interesting
and
I.
Think
that
items
two
and
three
are
the
areas
that
that
I
would
personally
glom
on
to
most
trying
to
coordinate
some
fundraising
efforts
and
seeing
if
we
can
do
any
kind
of
joint
activities
to
see.
If
we
can,
you
know,
find
ways
to
be
of
mutual
benefit,
and
you
know
both
raise
the
other's
profile.
I
think
sounds
like
a
really
great
application
of
this
kind
of
partnership
and
then
number
two
that
the
second
thing
you
said
is
is
really
interesting.
Finding
opportunities.
A
We
have
a
huge
number
of
student
groups
who
are
working
in
the
high
school
setting
and
in
University
settings
who
I'm
sure
would
love
to
have
their
names
on
a
white
paper
or
some
kind
of
research
project
that
could
be
of
direct
benefit
to
an
organization
like
yours,
I
think.
That's,
that's
a
a
direct
impact
and
a
tremendous
incentive
to
drive
the
the
time
and
resources
for
a
study
like
that.
So
that
sounds
really
interesting.
Yeah.
C
You
must
have
that
same
problem.
No.
Just
earlier
today,
UNICEF
contacted
me,
I've
been
speaking
with
them
for
for
a
year
and
they
visit
our
Workshop
they're
super
excited,
but
every
time
they
go
back
to
UNICEF
at
the
UN
headquarters.
It's
like
yeah,
but
it's
new
and
there's
no
proof
and
where's
the
eyes.
Eiso
marking
and
the
CE
marking
and
I
told
them
my
guys.
C
A
prosthetic
is
always
custom-made,
the
ones
that
are
used
to
date
also
don't
have
any
research
or
approval,
and
actually
recently,
A
friend
of
mine
showed
me
that
there
are
more
published
research
papers
on
3D
Prosthetics
than
on
traditional
Prosthetics.
So
actually
there's
more
evidence.
That's
it's
still
difficult
to
prove,
of
course,
so
yeah
the
problem
again
with
working
where
I
work
is
that
the
University
of
Rwanda
when
they
publish
a
research
paper?
C
No
one
gives
a
it's
very
sad,
but
no
one
cares,
while
indeed,
if
a
research
researcher
from
MIT
or
any
University
in
the
US
says,
look
we've
tested
this.
We've
tried
this.
This
plastic,
this
material.
That
has
a
lot
of
weight.
So
that's.
A
A
E
I
do
I'm
afraid
I
have
three
but
I'm
gonna
be
three
number
one.
We
have
a
number
of
academics
who
publish
in
this
space
and
if
you're
Rwandan
colleagues
would
like
co-authors
in
order
to
get
into
the
American
eye,
we
could
make
that
connection.
A
Dr
Savage
speaks
spoke
at
the
U.S
Congress
a
couple
of
weeks
ago.
Giving
a
presentation
on
use
of
AI
is
she's.
A
researcher
based
I
believe
she's
in
Boston
yeah.
E
She's
amazing
right
wow,
that's
one
for
future
conversation
we
can
have.
Secondly,
with
regard
to
training
and
troubleshooting
on
the
3D
printers,
that
could
be
a
role
for
non-african,
enable
volunteers.
E
Quite
good
with
3D
printers
and
they
could
provide
telecoaching
and
problems.
You
know
troubleshooting
and
that
kind
of
thing
that's
really
great.
Thirdly,
I
just
wanted
to
mention
a
model
which
is
neither
the
non-profit
nor
the
for-profit
model,
which
has
worked
very
well
in
if
I
recall
Argentina.
E
When
someone
comes
in
and
they
say
how
much
is
this
device,
they
say:
well,
we
charge
150
for
it
and
when
they
wince,
they
then
say.
Of
course,
we
adjust
the
price
for
need
space,
but
we've
also
found
that
people
can
also
have,
for
example,
a
block
party
with
friends
and
neighbors
and
they'll
all
pitch
in
and
by
the
way.
Then
they
get
a
support
group
and
in
Argentina,
however,
they
say:
oh
right,
we
can
do
that.
We
do
that
all
the
time.
C
E
Right,
it's
very
having
a
you
know.
A
party
of
some
sort
to
celebrate,
fundraise
and
bond
is
a
pretty
effective
mechanism.
C
Yes,
yes,
yes,
the
thing
is
that
we've
we've
I've
noticed,
for
example,
that
doing
a
party
in
Belgium
easily
gets
me
1,
000
or
5
000,
or
even
ten
thousand
dollars,
while
doing
a
big
party
in
Kenya.
That's
still
like
a
couple
of
hundreds
doing
a
party
in
Congo,
you
will
reach
two
dollars,
so
it's
it's
really
dependent
on
on
where
you,
where
you
are,
how
much
you
can
get
out
of
it.
Just.
E
C
A
lot
of
a
lot
of
people
do
it
there's
also
a
lot
of
this
just
said,
I'm
here
in
Kenya,
someone
told
me
that
her
cousin,
for
example,
she
looked
for
ten
thousand
dollars
to
go
and
study
in
the
UK.
C
So
for
two
years
they
kept
looking
for
money,
friends,
families,
everyone
chipped
in
when
they
reached
10
000.
She
went
to
visit
her
cousin
and
suddenly
her
cousin
had
vanished
off
the
face
of
this
planet.
C
A
Great
well,
this
is
really
exciting.
We've
got
a
lot
of
potential
Avenues
to
explore.
We've
got
just
to
recap
really
quickly
looking
into
how
we
can
help
today,
we
can
explore
raising
the
profile
of
the
Youfit
scanning
program.
Anyone
on
this
call,
if
you
have
prosthetists
in
your
personal
Network,
I
Florian,
if
you
can
share
the
link
or
where
it
can
be
found
in
the
App
Store
with
me,
I
can.
A
Gotcha,
okay,
perfect,
okay,
that
sounds
good.
Then
we've
got
opportunities
for
stress,
testing
of
filament
types,
new
printers
that
come
out
new
devices,
opportunities
for
our
educational
groups
and
research
members.
You
know
research
heavy
folks
who
might
be
interested
in
pursuing
some
chances
for
publication.
A
We've
got
training
opportunities.
You
know
trying
to
see
if
there
are
people
who
are
interested
in
setting
up,
Zoom
calls
for
helping
prosthetists
to
learn.
3D
software
in
the
use
of
3D
printers
and
then
I
think
there
are
a
lot
of
other
opportunities
for
for
further
discussion
about
how
we
can
collaborate
to
boost
our
Mutual
fundraising
potential.
B
B
C
C
So
that's
the
first
biggest
issue,
so
you
create
a
system
in
which
you're
removing
jobs
from
the
locals
and
you're
just
importing
things
from
somewhere
else.
Also
by
giving
something
free,
you
are
removing
the
direct
feedback
from
a
customer.
In
my
case,
for
example,
if
my
Prosthetics
are
bad,
I
will
go
bankrupt
within
the
next
month,
because
people
will
stop
buying
it.
While
a
lot
of
ngos.
What
happens,
is
they
get
some
money
from
the
United
Nations
or
wherever
they
come
in?
They
do
this
big
project,
but
there's
no
direct
feedback.
C
So
whether
the
project
is
good
or
not,
it
doesn't
really
change
so
then
they
just
take
a
couple
of
nice
pictures.
They
post
them
online
and
then
the
next
year
they
just
get
the
same
funding
so
fundamentally,
for
me,
there's
something
wrong
with
that
system,
and
also
other
thing
is
that's
people
here.
A
lot
of
my
friends
have
told
me
that
grew
up
in
in
very
poor
neighborhoods
that
it
removes
their
dignity.
C
A
friend
of
mine
literally
told
me
that
when
he
was
young,
his
parents,
when
people
from
the
usaid
would
come
by-
and
they
would
like
on
purpose,
not
shower
for
two
days
and
keep
the
house
dirty,
so
that
these
people
would
think
that
they
were
super
poor
and
give
them
more
money.
And
a
lot
of
my
friends
really
told
me
that
it
it's
really.
It
really
kills
your
self-esteem
and
your
dignity.
C
So
that's
a
matter
issue
with
free.
Of
course,
it's
a
bit
different
between
a
big
model
and
just
one
hand,
and
then
also
there
is
no
for
a
lot
of
patients.
If
you
don't
pay
for
it,
there's
no
need
to
use
it.
I
had
a
patient
here
that
I've
seen
on
the
street.
He
had
three
legs
in
his
living
room,
which
he
got
from
three
different
ngos.
He
never
used
them,
because
why
would
he
you
know
and
every
time
someone
came
in
they
just
got.
C
He
just
got
a
new
one,
while
if
they
need
to
pays
something,
that's
is
significant
for
them.
Even
if,
for
us
it's
just
two
dollars
for
them,
it
can
be
half
of
their
monthly
salary.
It
means
that
they
will
make
the
effort.
It
also
means
that
they
will
use
the
device
much
better
because
they
will
have
made
this
effort.
It's
a
choice
to
get
it,
it's
not
forced
on
them,
so
yeah.
Those
are
a
couple
of
reasons
why
I
could
give
you
a
10
hour
presentation
about
it.
A
And
I
I
want
to
stress
that
I
I
agree
with
with
Florian's
assessment.
A
I
think
that
it's
also
very
location,
dependent,
I,
think,
where
enable
is
most
active,
I
think
that
our
current
model
is
is
very
viable
and
a
good
chance
for
people
who
have
you
know
more
or
less
fallen
through
the
cracks
or
maybe
don't
have
the
opportunity
to
operate
within
the
existing
infrastructure
of
the
in
the
US
in
in
Europe,
in
in
Canada,
in
places
where,
if
they're
having
trouble
getting
a
traditional
device,
I
think
being
able
can
do
a
lot
of
good
to
assist
those
folks,
I
think
what
we're
specifically
talking
about
and
partnering
with
yugani
is
finding
ways
to
support
a
model
that
will
be
more
self-sustaining
instead
of
being
entirely
Reliant
upon.
A
You
know
the
Goodwill
of
individuals
who
may
be
less
consistent
than
traditional.
You
know
entrepreneurial
model,
so
that's
where
my
excitement
comes
in
is
is
finding
ways
to
encourage
and
allow
for
more
of
this
self-driven
approach.
This
Community
Driven
approach
where
the
devices
are
going
to
be
delivered,
because
that,
in
my
mind,
will
equate
to
much
longer
lasting
success
and
better
follow-up
care.
A
Better
attention
to
detail
and
S40
and
said
maybe
some
more
dignity
in
self-actualization
in
the
end
with
that
I
think
we're
at
time.
But
thank
you
all
so
much.
If
you
have
any
further
questions
for
Florian,
we
can
I
think
we
can
get
some
kind
of
communication
pipeline
set
up.
A
Obviously,
I
don't
want
to
open
the
floodgates
for
everybody
to
start
giving
them
a
call
on
his
personal
device,
but
thank
you
all
so
much
for
your
participation
today
and
this
recording
will
be
posted
on
the
Hub
shortly.