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From YouTube: Weekly e-NABLE Town Hall Meeting - May 5, 2023
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A
Okay,
we're
live
now,
so
welcome
back
everyone
to
another
town
hall
and
let's
see
I'm
going
to
share
my
screen.
So
we
can
get
some
notes.
A
There
we
go
all
right,
let's
see
so,
I
have
I'm
using
this
I'm
using
the
waiting
room
today
so
Adam.
Maybe
you
have
experience
with
this
now
that
I'm
sharing
my
screen
am
I
going
to
get
like
a
pop-up
or
something
if
somebody's
in
the
waiting
room
that
needs
to
be
admitted,
I,
don't
know
where
that
would
show
up
you.
B
You
might
on
the
bottom,
have
I
I
have
to
assume
you
have
a
multi-monitor
setup,
but
you
might,
on
the
bottom,
have
a
waiting
room
icon
or
on
your
side
tab.
A
A
A
First,
one
is
just
been
hanging
out
for
a
while
for
John
to
write
something
up
about
the
fiscal
sponsorship
agreement.
Any
updates
there
John.
A
The
next
one
is
for
me
to
revise
the
email
that
goes
out
to
new
members
when
they
join
the
Hub
and
I
haven't
done
that
that's
a
little
bit
more
time
consuming
so
I
have
to
kind
of
think
about
what
to
say
and
what
resources
to
link
to
so
that's
going
to
have
to
wait,
and
then
this
next
one
was
for
me
to
write
up
a
story
about
the
rather
unpleasant
experience
I've
been
having
with
Azure
and
trying
to
get
support
so
that
John
could
try
to
escalate.
A
That
and
I
didn't
do
that.
But
the
reason
is
a
good
one,
because
I
finally
got
a
hold
of
somebody.
So
I'll
have
an
update
for
you
in
a
short
while,
but
there
is
finally
progress
being
made
there
now
that
I've
connected
with
some
actual
human
beings,
I,
don't
have
anyone
scheduled
coming
up,
but
Adam
is
in
touch
with
a
couple
of
people
that
might
end
up
providing
some
guest
presentations
here
or
at
least
joining
us
for
some
special
discussions.
But
nothing
confirmed
yet
a
quick
note.
A
A
If
we
try
to,
you
know,
have
somebody
else
jump
in
and
host
I
think
we
should
just
skip
next
week
if
nobody
objects
and
we'll
regroup
the
following
Friday,
if
everyone's
okay
with
that
so
I
will
try
to
remember
to
get
into
the
Hub
that
morning
and
post
a
note
to
remind
people
that
we
will
not
be
doing
a
town
hall
on
the
12th,
but
just
letting
you
know
that
now
I'm,
not
tracking
the
enable
metrics
I'm,
hoping
that
somebody
might
be
able
to
help
me
with
that,
and
in
fact,
Sarah
and
I
have
a
short
meeting
immediately
following
this
town
hall
to
see
where,
where
she
might
be
able
to
help
with
some
of
these
things,
and
that
could
be
one
of
them.
A
We're
going
to
sort
that
out
a
little
bit
later,
but
as
of
now
I'm,
just
tracking
the
bun,
the
fund
balance,
which
is
pretty
similar
to
what
it
was
actually
went
up
a
little
bit.
I
think
we
have
some
kind
of
recurring
donations
that
come
in
and
so
we're
at
36
843,
and
so
that's
all
I
have
as
far
as
data
right
now,
so
take
a
quick
look
at
these
posts
from
The
Hub
and
then
we'll
get
into
some
of
our
discussion
topics.
A
First
one
and
thank
you
Sarah
for
putting
these
together.
It's
a
really
a
Big
Time
Saver
rishabh
says:
can
anyone
recommend
a
good
source
of
downloadable,
3D
designs
for
sensory
toys
for
kids
with
disabilities?
Now
I,
don't
even
know
if
I
know
what
that
means
Adam.
Can
you
help
us
here?
What
are
sensory
toys.
D
Sensory
ties,
it's
things
have
textures,
so
it's
for
it.
It's
Justice
is
textures.
Toys
have
different
objectures,
just.
A
Okay,
so
this
could
be
I'm
thinking
like
those
those
balls
that
have
all
the
little
little
like
things
jutting
out
of
them.
Yeah.
D
D
D
A
C
A
Now
I
think
that's
a
great
idea,
so
what
I'm
going
to
do
is
I'm
going
to
add
it
to
this
list.
I've
been
collecting
of
things
that
we
want
to
sort
of,
as
we
try
to
broaden
our
catalog
here,
which
we're
working
with
the
NIH
to
do.
Let's
see
what
we
can
find
for
sensory
toys,
I'm
sure
we
can
find
some
things
probably
already
on
thingiverse,
and
we
can
include
those
yeah.
D
A
They're
open
source
so
I'll
add
that
to
my
list,
I
think
it's
a
great
idea,
Sarah
I,
wonder
if
I
could
ask
for
your
help
in
responding
to
him
just
to
let
him
know
that
we
don't
have
anything
right
now,
but
we
love
the
idea
and
we're
going
to
work
on
finding
things
to
add
to
the
catalog
of.
A
Let's
see
we
did
meet
two
difficult
cases
for
both.
We
may
start
with
a
phoenix
hand,
because
these
fingers
do
operate
easily
later
on,
maybe
change
over.
To
the
kinetic
hand,
the
boy
has
a
very
short
residual
left
from
his
forearm.
We
may
choose
now
for
a
short
cover
to
practice
and
lengthening
it
later
on
for
the
girl,
we
may
open
the
Palm
to
get
the
hands
to
fit
we're
interested
in
how
to
approach
both
cases.
A
Other
ideas,
okay,
so
here's
a
photo
I
think
this
would
be
the
the
boy
that
he
mentioned,
and
this
would
be
the
girl
that
he
mentioned
challenging
cases.
Indeed,
this
one
looks
to
me
like
it
could
work
with
an
arm
design.
It
seems
like
there
would
be
enough
past
the
elbow
to
operate
one
of
the
arm
designs.
What
anyone
else
here
have
thoughts
on
that.
C
Chang,
Liu
and
I
worked
on
a
socket
for
that
anatomy
and
she
did
a
dissertation
on
it
and
we
can
find
that.
But
it's
it's
a
good
job
for
a
process.
So
if
it's
a
tricky
maneuver
because
you're
yeah
you're
capturing
the
elbow.
C
The
I.
A
D
This
is
a
difficult
case
because
it's
very
short
yes
and
I-
it's
difficult,
because
if
you
use
a
prestigious
like
activates
like
from
here,
because
it's
the
idea
for
this
case
it's
difficult
to
have
acceptance.
So
it's
a
some
sometimes
it's
what
I
think.
Sometimes
it's
useful
if
we
teach
people
to
use
the
empathy
amputee
part,
another
processes,
but
the
amputee
part.
Sometimes
we
had
this
case
here
in
Brazil
and
I
create
a
lot
of
things
for
the
kid
without
3D
printing,
just
things
for
the
kid
can
eat.
D
A
D
A
D
A
A
I
mean
I,
guess
we
fall
back
on
our
default,
that
we
just
really
would
love
to
see
a
prosthetist
involved,
or
you
know
a
professional
that
that
could
advise
and
help
with
maybe
doing
something.
Custom
I
I,
don't
know
that
there's
anything
within
our
volunteer
community
that
would
really
effectively
address
this.
A
Okay,
so
let's
I'll
ask
for
your
help
again
then
Sarah
to
just
to
maybe
link
to
this
part
of
our
discussion,
as
as
we
sometimes
do-
and
there
are
some
videos
here-
I'm
not
going
to
play
those
right
now,
but
oh
and
I
didn't
even
scroll
down
to
see
the
comments.
I
and
I
think
it
looks
like
Eric
is
agreeing
with
us
that
there's
not
any
current
enabled
designs.
A
He
mentions
the
shoulder
harness,
but
tainara
had
some
important
comments
about
what
we
should
watch
out
for
that
Sandra.
Definitely
not
the
easiest
for
the
girl.
I
would
try
a
phoenix
hand
and
make
openings
to
accommodate
for
her
fingers,
possibly
that
seems
like
a
stretch,
but
maybe
in
Jack.
Let's
see
so
we
got
two
people
talking
about
using
the
kwawu
with
a
shoulder
activation
like
a
shoulder,
strap
for
the
for
the
boy,
but
I
definitely
think
that
we
should
share
this
this
segment
of
our
recording.
A
A
I
know
they're
I'm,
aware
of
their
devices.
I
just
don't
know
that
I'm,
familiar
specifically
with
the
arm
sleeve.
B
Oh
gotcha,
I
I
think
that's
the
I
think
that's
the
the
primary
thing
the
offer,
but
maybe
I'm.
My
understanding
is
a
little
bit
too
simplistic,
but
that's
really
just
the
fixation
mechanism.
God
is
that
okay,
soft.
A
B
Yeah
I
believe
they
use
that
in
the
place
of
a
socket
for
a
typical
device
or,
like
the
you
know,
the
brace
component
that
we
use
in
our
designs.
A
Okay,
well
so
we'll
just
share
a
link
to
this
portion
of
the
recording
I,
don't
know
how
helpful
it'll
be,
but
it'll
give
a
little
bit
more
perspective,
and
then
last
one
we
have
here
is
Louisa
need
a
little
help.
Please
finally
manage
to
finish
an
unlimited
arm,
and
today
we
have
the
first
of
hitting,
with
the
recipient,
he's
having
a
hard
time
moving
the
arm,
probably
because
his
residual
limb
is
too
short
he's
not
enough
strength
to
move
it
as
it
should.
A
I
was
wondering
if
there's
some
kind
of
socket
adaptation
for
short
limbs
to
help
with
the
Leverage.
So
this
actually
sounds
similar
to
The
Boy
in
the
previous
post
that
we
looked
at
I
found
a
radial
conductor
designed
by
Nate
Monroe
and
Lorenzo
Lopez,
but
apparently
it's
for
the
quavo
arm.
Can
it
be
used
for
the
unlimited
arm
and,
let's
see
I'll
play
this,
because
it's
only
five
seconds.
B
I
mean
to
me,
it
looked
like
the
arm
was
too
long,
but
that
could
just
be
a
matter
of
perspective.
Yeah.
A
You're
right,
it's
hard
to
it's
hard
to
get
a
gauge
on
that,
but
it
it
does.
It
looks
that
way
to
me
too,
like
it
like
that
forearm
portion
might
just
need
to
be
shortened
somewhat
and
that
that
would
help
because,
of
course,
you're.
You
know
the
The
Leverage
of
the
weight
being
out
on
the
end,
but.
B
I
think
somebody
mentioned
in
the
comments
there
that
the
cables
might
be
placed
in
the
wrong
location
or
something
about
changing
the
angle
of
attachment
to
improve
that
the
force
acting
of
that
lever
arm.
A
Is
this
what
you're?
Referring
to
this?
Oh?
No!
That's!
That's!
Talking
about
the
velcro
okay
to
pull
over
in
the
upper
cuff
to
get
more
finger
grass
for
a
smaller
bending
in
the
elbow.
We
also
design
a
system,
if
he's
in
the
left,
arm
to
actuate
the
right
unlimited
arm
as
a
cuff
under
the
armpit
okay.
So
that's
something
different
and
they're
sharing
drawings.
B
And
I
think
that
goes
back
to
what
tainara
was
referring
to
earlier
about
actual
wear
compliance
and
the
more
complicated
it
gets
to
get
something
on
and
and
use
then
yeah
they're
going
to
use.
It
is.
A
Well,
I
mean
I,
I
would
agree.
Adam
I
mean
the
easiest
thing
that
that
you
know
this
volunteer
could
try
would
I
would
would
seem
to
be
shortening
the
forearm
component
a
little
bit
and
that
might
make
it
easier
to
to
move
with
with
his
existing
configuration,
it's
at
least
worth
a
try,
because
it
doesn't
require
doing
a
whole
lot
other
than
printing
that
forearm
part
differently
and
then
reassembling.
D
A
A
A
So,
thank
you
for
that
tenora,
okay.
So,
let's
move
on
then
some
challenging
cases
I
do
hope,
they'll
be
able
to
find
help,
but
I
think
this
just
really
strengthens
the
the
case
for
what
we're
going
to
be
talking
about
today,
which
is
getting
more
plugged
in
with
the
clinical
community
and
getting
more
professionals
involved
to
help
with
these
challenging
cases.
So,
let's
just
go
through
a
couple
of
these
things
and
we'll
get
to
that
chapter
leaders
meeting
is
the
next
one
coming
up
on
the
15th
I
believe.
A
Okay,
so
yep,
that's
the
next
one
and
hopefully
we'll
get
a
May
calendar
out
soon
with
the
rest
of
the
May
events.
For
now,
we'll
move
on
and
I
wanted
to
leave
pretty
much.
Today's
entire
discussion
available
to
talk
with
tainara
but
I
do
want
to
just
touch
on
one
thing.
First,
because,
as
I
said,
we
finally
have
progress
on
the
Azure
situation.
I
finally
got
a
hold
of
somebody
and
he's
actually
been
very
helpful.
A
He's
connected
me
with
different
teams
within
Azure.
They
have
already
successfully
tied
the
grant
money
that
we've
see.
We've
had
this
3
500
a
year
grant
for
the
last
three
years,
but
it
was
never
being
applied
to
our
account,
which
I
didn't
even
realize
until
way
too
late,
they've
just
been
billing.
My
credit
card
the
whole
time,
so
they
finally
have
at
least
applied
the
grant
to
our
account
so
that
going
forward
it's
going
to
be
coming
from
the
grant
like
it
should.
A
Finally,
we've
also
made
significant
reduction
in
our
resource
utilization,
so
the
way
that
our
hosted
systems,
especially
for
enable
web
Central,
are
configured.
We
we
pulled
way
back
on
the
scaling
of
the
virtual
machine.
You
know
fewer
CPUs,
less
Ram,
reduce
the
size
of
the
database
and
actually
did
testing
it's
a
little
bit
slower,
but
I
find
it
hardly
even
noticeable,
and
since
that
platform
is
going
to
be
going
away
once
we
have
a
replacement.
That
seemed
like
a
perfectly
acceptable
solution
to
me.
A
A
Piece,
sorry,
one
more
piece,
then
the
last
remaining
piece
is.
We
are
now
working
with
the
Azure
billing
team
to
see
if
they
might
be
able
to
get
me
a
refund
on.
So
that
was
my
question
should
have
been
going
to
the
grant
for
these
past
three
years.
I
don't
have
any
confirmation
yet
of
what
they
can
or
can't
do,
but
they
are
working
with
it
and
I'm
just
waiting
to
hear
back
so
there's
at
least
hope
for
a
partial
refund
coming
as
well.
Well,.
A
So
I'll
keep
you
guys
posted,
but
I
think
we're
at
least
set
up
the
way
we
need
to
be
for
going
forward
and
as
soon
as
we're
able
to
get
this
new
platform
up
and
running
for
matching,
then
you
know
I
we're
just
going
to
shut
down
enable
web
Central
all
together
and
that's
gonna
even
more
significantly
reduce
our
our
needs
on
Azure.
So
we
should
be
covered
by
that.
A
Grant
amount
we'll
just
keep
renewing
it
year
after
year,
and
we
should
not
have
to
be
out
of
pocket
for
Azure
hosting
at
all
going
forward
if
we
keep
it
set
up
right,
yeah,
so
good
progress.
Finally,
I'll
keep
you
posted
on
the
the
last
bit
here
about
the
refund
I
have
already
been
reimbursed
from
the
enable
fund
for
a
portion
of
nothing.
You
know
nothing
close
to
what
I've
been
billed,
but
a
good
chunk
of
that
was
reimbursed
for
the
fund.
If
by
chance
they
come
back
with
a
refund
that
exceeds.
A
You
know
the
the
balance
of
what
was
out
of
pocket,
then
I
will
make
sure
to
reimburse
the
enable
fund,
but
that
would
require
them
doing
a
very
large
reimbursement.
Frustration
to
that
point,
but
I
I,
have
taken
note
of
how
much
was
reimbursed
to
me
from
the
enable
fund
and
I
will
make
sure
that
their
their
refund
is
handled
accordingly,
depending
on
how
much
of
a
refund
they
offer.
So
I'll
get
back
to
you
guys
on
that.
A
Me
too
me
too,
so
thank
you
for
letting
me
do
that.
Little
Side,
Track
and
now
I
want
to
allow
as
much
time
as
we
need
through
the
rest
of
this
session
to
have
this
discussion
that
may
be
Adam.
You
can
introduce
us
to
and
sure
yeah.
B
Well,
y'all
have
already
heard
her
speak
and
she's
been
on
a
couple
of
calls
before
already,
but
I
wanted
to
formally
introduce
you
all
to
tainara.
Tainara
is
an
occupational
therapist
based
in
Brazil
she's,
also
an
avid
3D
printer.
She
was
really
busy
throughout
the
early
days
of
covid,
designing
and
printing
large
numbers
of
components
for
face,
masks
and
advisors
and
tools
to
assist
Health
Care
Professionals,
while
she
was
still
I
believe
working
through
her
OT
program.
B
So
she
has
a
great
mind
for
Innovation.
She
works
quite
a
lot
or
has
worked
quite
a
lot
with
amputees,
particularly
upper
extremity
keys,
in
designing
not
only
components
for
Prosthetics
components
and
complete
devices,
but
also
complementary
devices
to
allow
amputees
and
prosthesis
users
to
more
effectively
use
tools
and
objects
in
their
day-to-day
lives.
Tenora
has
also
been
extremely
helpful,
with
the
enable
Community
already
designing
and
delivering
presentations
to
our
Healthcare
Community
last
fall.
B
She
also
did
me
a
significant
solid
earlier
this
week
and
covering
for
me
when
I
had
a
family
emergency
I
had
a
presentation
scheduled
on
Wednesday
with
the
Texas,
a
Texas
organization
of
Allied
health
professionals,
including
medical
students
and
nursing
students
and
other
groups
at
the
University
of
Texas.
B
The
tinora
would
be
an
excellent
candidate
to
represent
the
enable
globally
as
our
clinical
coordinator
or
Clinical
Director
or
whatever
terminology
we
want
to
want
to
land
on,
but
in
a
role
that
would
at
least
have
as
much
weight
as
anything
that
I'm
doing
to
more
formally
bring
in
more
clinical
professionals
and
also
to
formalize
procedures
and
recommendations
for
our
community
makers
to
have
more
of
a
patient-centric
and
data-driven
bend
to
ensure
that
recipients
are
not
only
receiving
devices
but
are
also
coached
and
followed
up
on
their
care.
A
Hello,
you're,
muted,
sayinara.
D
Hi
hi
Hello
nice
to
meet
you
thanks
for
the
words
it's
I'm
kind
of
oh
yeah,
so
I
don't
expect
so
much.
So.
Thank
you.
It's
it's.
What
Adam
says
I
did
a
lot
of
things
here
in
Brazil
for
the
last
four
years.
D
I
know
enable
when
I
finish.
My
graduation
and
I
know
your
devices
and
everything
you
you
do
and
I
like
it
so
much,
but
it's
difficult
from
Health
people
and
understand
better
the
engineering
thing,
because
it's
proceed,
isn't
me
it's
made
by
3D,
printing
and
printers
and
it's
difficult
to
understand
how
it
works.
It's
like
I
feel
when
I
see
the
first
person
is
in
my
life,
I
like
how.
How
does
this
happen,
how
it's
possible
a
machine
do
that
and
how
it's
possible?
D
Someone
can
use
like
this
and
it's
the
question
about
everyone
who
followed
me
have
how
it
worked
the
prosthesis,
what
needs
to
be
what
needs
to
do,
and
everything
and
I
start
to
study
more
about
that
and
I
want
to
understand
more
3D
printer
than
everything,
because
I
think
it's
the
most
important
thing.
It's
the
clinical
part
understand
3D
printers,
how
it
works.
How
it's
possible
to
do
things
and
I
start
to
create
things
like
Adam
said.
D
This
is
something
a
great
it's
a
buttercup
just
to
grab
better
and
don't
sleep
when
they
borrow
I
made
a
video
about
that.
But
I
forgot
to
put
here
but
I
use
and
everything
by
me
for
you
I,
said:
show
Adam
and
I
create
I
have
a
presentation.
You
know
if
you
want
to
see,
but
just
a
picture
of
someone
using
I,
don't
know.
D
D
D
D
Yeah,
because
the
material
sometimes
I
know
you
have
the
that
thing
here.
I
know
you
have
this,
but
sometimes
it
depends
off
the
bottle.
It
doesn't
work
so
well,
I,
don't
know
how
is
the
bottle
there
United
States
we're
here
in
Brazil
we
have
a
lot
of
companies
who
make
photos
and
sometimes
it's
different
bottles
and
don't
work
so
well.
So
this
helps
to
give
support
to
the
kid
can
use
the
bottle
better.
D
Yeah
she
makes
the
movement
okay,
yeah
I
just
teach
her,
but
she
have
a
very
short
and
Beauty
part.
So
it's
difficult
to
hurry,
use
the
prosthesis,
so
she
preferred
don't
use
but
I
try
to
teach
her
a
little
bit.
I
did
this
part
here:
yeah
yeah
it
and
I
don't
make
by
3D
printing,
because.
D
Yeah
it's
with
thermoplastic,
because
in
this
moment
I
talk
a
lot
with
the
person
who's
received.
The
prosthesis
and
I
will
make
the
form
and
I
gave
to
her
and
say
it's
more
a
little
more
or
this
is
fine
and
the
kids
say
a
little
more
and
I
make
a
little
more.
So
he
makes
she
makes
part
of
this
and
I
think
it's
very
important
and
I
make
the
meow
too.
D
C
A
You
know
what
I
what
I
love
about
this
tenar
is.
We
we
often
you
know
we
try
to
set
expectations
realistically
when
we're
making
a
device
for
for
people.
You
know
we
try
to
temper
expectations
and
say
look
I
mean
these
are
pretty
basic
devices.
You
can
only
do
so
much
with
them,
but
you
know
if
we
imagine
our
volunteers
instead
of
just
delivering
a
phoenix
hand
or
an
unlimited
arm
if
they
would
deliver
the
device,
along
with
some
of
these
accessories,
that
you're
showing
that
will
help
them
to
get
more
out
of
that
device.
A
B
If
every
person
delivering
a
device
had
access
to
a
member
of
the
enable
Community,
who
is
say
a
designated
clinical
supervisor,
or
something
like
that
yeah
who
could
accompany
the
delivery
with
you
know,
video
lessons
and
time
set
aside
to
explain
how
the
devices
could
be
integrated,
I,
think
that
could
increase
compliance
and
efficacy
tenfold.
Absolutely
it.
C
F
Raises
sorry,
it
also
raises
the
possibility
that
other
volunteers
can
work
on
the
accessories
as
part
of
a
team
so
that
it's
not
all
about
making
sockets
and
Prosthetics.
It's
also
about
making
any
accessories
and
being
available.
That's.
A
Right
and
just
like
the
assistive
tech
programs
that
we're
getting
going
now,
a
lot
of
these
things
don't
require
as
much
customization.
So
you
can
just
produce
them
and
have
kind
of
a
stockpile
of
these
add-on
devices
and
there
they'd
be
available
for
others
in
the
community
as
needed,
and.
D
No
I
understand
I,
understand,
I,
think
the
biggest
problem
in
first.
This
is
made
by
everyone.
It's
because
everyone
thinks
they
can
do
this,
because,
yes,
I
can
do
from
my
home
home
at
3D
procedures.
I
can
do
but
I
don't
know
how
to
teach
the
people
to
use.
So
they
can.
They
don't
use
because
sometimes
I
born
without
my
hand,
and
it's
like
I
was
born.
I
I
know
how
to
live
without
my
hand,
and
if
you
give
something
for
me,
I
need
to
learn
how
to
use
it,
because
it's
new.
E
D
D
If
robustness
and-
and
they
just
see
this
and
they
think
oh
I
can
save
the
world-
and
it's
not
like
this,
because
it's
a
health
thing,
so
you
need
someone
from
Health
to
help
you
so
I
think
this
is
the
most
problem,
and
this
is
what
I
try
to
do
in
Brazil,
I
I
like
to
presentate
like
yeah
I,
can
do
the
processes,
but
I
can
do
more
than
this.
Not
just
this.
The
process
is
not
the
final
thing.
It's
just
the
middle
thing
like
this.
A
You're
right
and
I
cut,
10r
I
think
you
just
identified
the
challenging
situation
that
we
find
ourselves
in
it's
one
of
those
Chicken
and
the
Egg
things,
because
I
think
that's
why
the
medical
community
has
been
so
hesitant
to
engage
with
us
because
they
see
us
as
a
bunch
of
amateurs
that
think
we
can
actually
do
this
when
we
can't
we
need
their
help
and
so
I.
You
know,
having
somebody
who
herself
is
a
medical
professional.
Helping
us
to
connect
with
them.
I
think
could
be
really
powerful.
D
Yeah
I
think
so,
and
here
is
just
you
see
I.
This
is
the
key
that
talked
to
you.
She
lost
her
hand
when
she
had
eight
years
old
and
she
came
to
me
with
10
years
old,
but
it's
really
short
so
I
make
this
for
her
with
thermoplastic,
and
it
was
difficult
because
I
need
to
think
something
she
can
put
herself
to
being
independent.
D
C
D
Just
was
my
friend
this
thing
here
was
printed.
Okay,
just
to
say
nothing
was
printed.
This
thing
here
was
printed,
so
she
can
use
the
amputee
part
to
use
the
computer
like
this.
D
Yeah,
so
this
was
printed
and
to
spend
my
uncle
gave
to
me.
So
this
is
what
I
talk
about
I
don't
need
to
proceed.
This
sometimes
I
can
give.
Sometimes
people
want
the
prosthesis
to
out
of
the
streets
like
to
be
acceptance,
acceptance
by
the
society,
so
sometimes
it's
just
this
so
to
be
useful.
I
can
do
a
lot
of
things
without
the
3D
printing
or
with
just
a
bit.
I
just
need
help
to
use
this
just
like
this.
So.
E
D
Is
the
presentation
I
gave
and
I
put
every
EV
this
it's
for
everyone
I
think
not
just
have
professional,
but
everyone.
What
do
I
need
to
understand
it's
technology
and
not
for
everyone.
Some
people
can
adapt
and
some
can't
and
I
can't
help
in
this
process.
Sometimes
this
juicy
Prince
is
just
something
very
cool,
but
it's
not
useful.
We
need
to
understand
the
materials
and
Manufacturing
process
should
be
able
to
assist
more.
D
C
C
D
B
Because
you
have
the
the
experience
in
the
language
that
I
know
about,
but
I
just
I,
don't
have
the
you
know
the
direct,
hands-on
experience
that
you
have
over
the
years
and
just
that
you're
able
to
speak
to
that
you're
straddling
the
clinical
side
and
the
the
expertise
in
printing
itself.
I
think
that
you
are
one
of
the
only
people
out
there
who
really
could
speak
to
these
things
and
I'm,
just
I
think
we're
so
lucky
that
you
joined
the
community
in
the
first
place
and
that
we
were
able
to
connect
I.
B
Just
the
one
point
I
wanted
to
raise
is
that
I
think
that
you're
you're
right
on
in
that
there
are
a
lot
of
people
in
the
enable
Community
who
are
coming
at
this
with
nothing
but
good
intentions.
But
they
don't
have
the
perspective
to
understand
the
clinical
components
that
really
impact.
Whether
or
not
this
device
they're
going
to
craft
is
going
to
be
efficacious.
What
what
whether
it's
going
to
have
any
kind
of
functional
impact
on
the
recipient's
lives,
I!
B
Think,
on
the
flip
side,
there
are
a
lot
of
clinicians
out
there
working
with
patients
like
this,
who
know
that
3D
printing
could
help,
but
they
don't
know
how
to
reach
out
or
who
to
reach
out
to
or
how
to
make
that
happen
and
I.
Think
that
you
know
you
could
really
connect
those
two
sides
and
that's
where
I
see
the
real
opportunity
here
is
not
only
coaching
our
own
Community,
but
also
being
a
kind
of
go-between
to
establish
relationships
with
clinicians.
B
A
So
they
understand
the
importance
of
engaging
with
that
professional
community
and
I
find
myself
wondering
if,
if
it
might
not
even
make
sense
to
sort
of
I
mean
you
can,
you
can
work
on
both,
but
it
almost
seems
like
getting
some
documented
best
practices
and
guidelines
might
even
be
the
higher
priority,
because
if
we,
if
we
get
that
clearly,
you
know
onto
our
website
into
the
Hub,
you
know
to
our
volunteers.
This
is
how
you
need
to
be
engaging
with
medical
professionals.
This
is
why
you
need
to
be
working
with
medical
professionals.
A
C
A
D
B
C
D
Yeah
everyone
say:
I
understand
everything,
but
really
you
understand
it
just
kidding,
but
I
have
a
friend
about
this
part
and
I
have
a
lot
of
work
here
in
Brazil,
but
I
really
want
some.
The
last
year
I
was
in
Germany
giving
classes
so
students
there
and
I
see
how
much
we
need
to
spread
the
world
how
it
works.
D
So
I
really
want
everyone
understand
3D
printer,
like
a
possibility,
not
the
final
thing
but
I
think
I
can
have
to
do
if
I
don't
have
a
3D
printer
I
can
create
something
and
send
to
someone
and
see
someone
can
print
it
so
like
this
and
I
just
let
it
afraid
because
I
need
to
organization
my
my
life,
but
it's
I,
I
really
I
really
want
this
for
a
long
time,
because
I
really
like
your
job
and
I,
followed
you
for
for
the
last
four
years.
D
A
F
B
Your
own
I,
I,
would
be
very
just
personally.
I
would
be
very
happy
to
accompany
you
in,
like
any
meetings
that
are
organized
discussions
that
are
held
I'd,
be
very
happy
to
be
there
just
in
case
two.
B
I
just
think
that
there's
there's
so
much
more
that
could
be
done
with
a
handful
of
people
that
can
be
done
with
a
thousand
people
or
one
person
and
I.
Don't
know.
I
I
think
that
if
you're
on
board
just
having
another
clinical
person-
and
you
know
let
alone
someone
who
actually
knows
what
they're
talking
about
I
just.
B
Personally,
the
stuff
that
I've
been
trying
to
explore
I
I
just
feel
like
there's
a
lot
of
there's
so
much
more
potential
to
actually
get
things
done.
Yeah.
F
Thanks
so
much
for
bringing
tenera
to
the
table
and
tan
era,
thank
you
for
for
joining
us.
The
question
for
both
of
you
is
going
to
be:
how
can
we
support
these
efforts
and
maximize
what
you
are
willing
and
able
to
do,
including,
including
willing,
I,
don't
want
to
overdo
overload
you
guys.
A
F
Good,
so
my
my
real
point
is
that
we
recognize
the
the
value
that
you're
bringing
us,
and
we
know
that
you're
both
busy
people
so
right.
Let's
think
about
ways
in
which
we
can
make
it
a
rewarding
and
sustainable
long-term
relationship.
A
So
we've
already
been
having
discussions
recently
about
how
much
it
makes
sense
that
we
should
be
thinking
about
paying
our
funding
certain
types
of
roles
within
the
community
that
it's
just
not
realistic.
To
look
to
volunteers
to
do
and
some
of
that
kind
of
bleeds
over
into
the
work.
That
Adam
is
doing
he's
been
putting
in
a
lot
of
hours.
You
know
15
20
hour
weeks
on
a
volunteer
basis
and
while
we're
greatly
appreciative
of
that,
it's
just
not
sustainable.
A
So
Adam
and
I
had
a
great
discussion
the
other
day,
and
he
very
much
wants
to
continue
his
volunteer
role,
which
I
get
and
I
respect,
but
need
to
cut
that
back
a
little
bit
so
that
it's
more
sustainable
in
terms
of
the
number
of
volunteer
hours
per
per
week
and
and
shift
some
of
it
over
to
a
different
scenario
which
were
for
Adam.
A
This
is
the
work
that
we
would
like
to
do,
and
this
is
the
initiative,
and-
and
this
is
you
know
how
we'd
like
to
fund
that
I'm,
pretty
confident
that
the
community
would
support
that.
As
long
as
you
know,
we
have
the
funds
there,
which
we
do
right
now.
A
I
think
the
challenge
with
this
is
that
the
way
our
funding
process
works
right
now,
the
individual
doing
the
initiative
doing
the
work
is
expected
to
put
forward
the
proposal
and
I
can
already
see
just
by
having
gotten
to
know
tainara
here
a
little
bit
that
she's
the
kind
of
person
who's,
probably
not
going
to
feel
comfortable,
putting
together
a
proposal
and
asking
for
money.
We
as
a
team
ought
to
think
about
the
fact
that
the
person
doing
the
work
doesn't
need
to
be
the
one
doing
the
proposal.
A
You
know
we
could
come
together
as
a
group
and
we
could
write
up
a
proposal
saying
we
would
like
to
propose
that
tainara
take
on
this
role
and
would
be
working
on
these
things,
and
we
propose
that.
But
this
kind
of
funding
be
allocated
for
this
period
of
time,
and
it
could
just
be
something
that
we
put
forward
and
let
the
community
vote
on
I
just
wanted
to
put
that
out
there
as
something
to
think
about
that
it
doesn't
have
to
be
the
person
receiving
the
funds.
A
F
I
agree
with
that
I'm
sure
we
can
help
and
by
the
way
there
are
AI
systems
that
have
suddenly
made
proposal
writing
much
easier,
oh
yeah,
so
we
can.
We
can
do
that,
but
the
question
is
going
to
be:
what
do
we
want
the
proposal
to
to
say
and
that's
going
to
have
to
come
from
conversations.
F
You
were
starting
that
conversation
now,
but
there's
also
I
also
wanted
to
raise
the
possibility
that
either
or
both
of
you
might
want
to
keep
an
eye
out
for
an
intern
or
an
assistant
or
someone
a
number
two
who
can
support
what
you're
doing,
but
also
learn
about
what
you're
doing
which
of
course
is
valuable
in
its
own
right
and.
A
In
with
that
proposal,
where
you
know,
tainara
might
be
someone
that
you
engage
with
through
your
consulting
firm
Adam,
and
you
know
maybe
that
gets
you
know
built
into
your
proposal,
and
you
know
there's
funding
going
from
your
consulting
firm
to
her.
Instead
of
a
separate
proposal.
Yeah
I'm
just
tossing
around
ideas
here,
but
there's
interesting
ways
that
that
could
be
explored.
B
No
I
think
that,
and
just
to
you
know,
part
the
curtain
a
little
bit
if
wildmont
our
firm.
If,
if
we
are
successfully
engaged,
we
can
find
something
that
is
an
amenable
to
the
community
for
the
kind
of
work
that
we've
been
talking
about.
Jeremy
I
think
that
looping
in
and
functioning
in
a
support
role
to
actually
produce
the
things
that
tainara
is
considering
and
work
on.
You
know
in
brainstorming
sessions
and
then
reaching
out
and
executing
and
doing
the
work
of
networking.
B
That's
right,
I
think
that
I
think
that
sounds
really
sustainable.
I.
A
Think
so,
too,
and
not
only
that,
but
I
think
that,
if,
if
you
could
figure
out
a
way
to
to
partner
up
with
tynar
on
this
and
incorporate
the
things
we've
talked
about
here
in
terms
of
not
only
the
clinical
Outreach
but
also
the
documentation
of
those
best
practices
and
guidelines,
that
adds
a
very
concrete
deliverable
to
your
proposal
that
that
would
I
think
really
help
to
get
the
interest
of
the
community
that
they're
they're
actually
getting
something
really
valuable
out
of
that
paid.
Engagement,
yeah.
B
I
think
Jason
is
someone
that
that
no
one
here
has
met
yet,
but
I
think
we
would
be
surprised
at
how
quickly
some
things
start
getting
done
as
soon
as
he
gets
involved
right
so
I'm
very
excited
to
see
where
this
goes.
A
Well,
this
worked
out
just
right.
I
mean
we're
coming
up
on
the
end
of
our
hour
here.
So
let
me
just
open
things
up
here.
First
to
tainara,
is
there
anything
else,
10r
that
you'd
like
to
talk
about
or
share
with
us.
D
A
A
You
next
week
it's
been
a
pleasure
and
remember
next
week,
everyone
we
are
going
to
have
to
skip
the
town
hall.
I,
have
an
unavoidable
scheduling,
conflict
I'm!
Sorry
for
that
I
will
post
a
note
in
the
hub
next
Friday
morning
to
remind
people
that
we
won't
be
doing
it,
but
we
will
regroup
the
following
Friday
and
I
look
forward
to
being
able
to
talk
more
about
this
that'll
give
us
a
couple
of
weeks
to
brainstorm
and
come
up
with
some
other
ideas.
One.
B
Quick
programming,
note
Jeremy.
Yes,
we
just
on
the
subject
of
speakers.
If
you
all
want
to
do
a
little
homework
before
what
will
likely
be
the
next
speaker,
engagement
that
I'm
able
to
to
tie
down
Chad
Lehman
is
the
director
of
innovation
with
an
organization
called
makers
making
change,
which
I
believe
most
of
the
people
on
this
call
will
have
heard
of
I
might
be
looking
at
the
calendar.
B
Sarah
defined
just
a
dedicated
time
slot
for
him
outside
of
the
Town
Hall,
so
that
he
has
plenty
of
time.
He
is
a
really
he's
just
on
fire.
He
is
a
really
energetic,
really
intelligent,
dude
and
is
doing
a
lot
of
good
up
in
Canada,
with
Neil
Squire
foundation
and.
E
That
sounds
great,
it
could,
if
you
want,
we
could
also
include
Ian,
and
that
could
be
great
to
have
him
as
a
as
a
guest
speaker
in
the
education
and
new
members
meeting
in
June.
Okay,.
A
B
Awesome
all
float
down.
Thank
you.
F
I'll
I'll
just
say
that
I
do
as
we're
working
this
out,
I'm
thinking
about
the
fact
that
we
are
due
to
go
back
to
the
Dora
Foundation
to
see
if
we
can
get
them
to
renew
their
the
arrangement
that
we
had
with
them
for
the
last
three
years,
which
is
inspired
but
they've
indicated
they're
willing
to
talk.
F
I
suspect
that,
with
these
initiatives
that
we're
talking
about,
there
are
other
potential
backwards
as
well
we're
in
the
fortune
position
that
we
don't
have
to
wait
for
funding,
because
we
have
money
in
the
bank.
But
I
do
want
to
point
out
that
Dora
in
particular
focuses
on
handcraft,
meaning
the
engagement
of
our
Volunteers
in
making
devices.
We've
got
lots
of
volunteers.
We
to
the
extent
that
we
can
use
this
initiative
to
help,
engage
them
and
help
them
up
their
game.
F
A
The
fundraising
is
going
to
be
incorporated
as
part
of
The
Proposal
that
Adam
is
working
on,
and
that
would
be
one
of
the
first
things
that
they
work
on,
because
if
we
can
bring
in
just
what
we've
been
talking
about
today
and
document,
you
know
our
plans,
even
if
not
the
the
guidance
itself,
but
our
plans
to
establish
recommended
guidelines
and
best
practices
and
to
reach
out
and
establish
Connections
in
the
clinical
community.
And
all
of
that
that
becomes
part
of
those
fundraising
proposals
and
I
think
creates
a
very
compelling
case
for
continued
support.
A
Thanks
everyone
and
Sarah
if
you'll
just
hang
with
me,
we'll
talk
about
a
few
other
things.
B
Oh,
wait:
wait,
wait!
I,
don't
think
we
put
it
to
a
vote
tainara
joining
on
officially
as
the
enabled
clinical
coordinator
I.
A
Is
something
that
we
should
vote
on
as
long
as
and
you
guys
can
use
your
thumbs
up
icons
and
zoom
or
you
can
turn
your
cameras
on,
but
let's
take
a
vote
I'm.
Certainly
in
favor
of
it,
I
see
a
thumbs
up
there
from
Adam,
yes
from
Sarah
I'm.