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A
Won't
interfere
all
right,
welcome
everyone
to
another
town
hall.
Let's
see,
I
already
shared
the
live
link
in
the
community.
Let
me
get
my
screens
organized
here.
C
And
keep
an
eye
on
notes.
A
So
now
we've
got
our
youtube
live
comments
in
the
lower
right.
If
you
guys
can
help
me
keep
an
eye
on
those
and
now
we
can
get
started
all
right,
who's
doing
notes
today,
john,
thank
you
and
I'll.
Let
you
fill
in
attendees
doesn't
look
like.
We
have
anyone
new
to
introduce
today
I'll
let
the
bots
speak
up.
If
it
wants
to
introduce
itself
action
items,
I
kind
of
cleaned
up
our
list
here,
a
little
bit.
A
I
I
moved
some
of
the
things
related
to
animal
prosthetics
down
to
animal
prosthetics,
because
you
know
we'll
get
to
them
when
we
get
to
them.
I
didn't
want
to
have
to
keep
revisiting
every
week,
so
the
only
one
I
think
we
need
to
follow
up
on
right
now
is
we're
doing
some
outreach
work
for
india
and
john.
You
were
looking
to
set
up
a
meeting
with
prashant
any
progress
there.
C
A
Just
making
a
note
down
here
by,
I
can
never
remember
how
he
spells
his
name.
I
think
it's
something
like
that
from
what
was
he
with
maker
makers,
making
change.
D
B
B
B
Of
of
they're
professionals
of
some
sort,
okay,.
C
On
monday,
I
can
pull
together
some
of
the
other
resources
that
we
have
put
it
in
the
email.
If
that's
helpful
for
them,
I
know
we've
got
janet
cofang
and
cameroon,
and
I
think
there
is
a
group-
that's
posted
the
past
from
nigeria.
A
Got
it
okay
so
anyway,
I
skipped
this
ahead.
Let
me
get
back
and
then
we'll
we'll
come
back
to
that
in
just
a
second.
What
is
this?
Oh
okay,
we
started
taking
double
notes.
I'm
just
going
to
get
rid
of
these
john.
I
put
these
down
below
you're
typing
in
action
items.
I
already
have
those
down
under
outreach
and
partnerships,
so
yeah
under
discussion,
topics,
outreach
and
partnerships
you'll
see
it
upcoming
guest
presentations.
I
have
none.
So
just
our
usual
reminder.
We
we
really
do
welcome
presentations
in
these.
So
there's.
A
I
know,
there's
a
lot
of
interesting
work
going
on
in
this
community
use
these
town
halls
as
an
opportunity
to
share
that
work.
They're
already
being
you
know,
recorded
shared
promoted,
etc.
All
you
got
to
do
is
jump
on
in
preferably
give
us
some
advanced
notice,
but
even
that
isn't
necessary
all
right.
Let's
look
at
our
metrics,
nothing
really
out
of
the
ordinary
here.
So
I'll.
Just
let
you
guys
look
at
the
numbers.
E
That's
right:
there's
a
a
check
going
through
a
second
iteration
right
now
to
get
deposited
for
twenty
thousand
dollars
from
the
fedora
foundation.
A
A
Vivek
put
a
post
up,
sharing
an
amazing
resource,
his
words
for
bionic
arms
and
shared
a
link
for
that
here,
bionicsforeveryone.com
and
so
very
cool
stuff
looks
like
they
have
a
number
of
designs
that
they're
sharing
and
really
cool
stuff.
Here
I
won't
spend
a
lot
of
time
on
this,
but
I
will
just
leave
the
link
here
and,
of
course
that's
in
the
hub.
A
I
included
the
link
here
but,
like
I
said
it's
the
most
popular
post,
so
it's
probably
pretty
high
up
in
the
the
main
forum
stream.
C
E
Glad
we
have
this
process
because
that
one
I
had
missed
do
we
have
any
plan
for
reaching
out
to
them,
seeing
if
they
want
to
literally
be
a
part
of
our
community.
A
Got
me
I
think
vivec
is
probably,
at
least
in
my
impression.
Is
that
he's
sort
of
taken
the
lead
on
coordinating
bionic
related
efforts.
He
might
be
a
good
candidate
for
that
kind
of
thing.
If
he's
on.
A
Actually,
this
is
the
first
time
I
even
pulled
up
the
page,
so
let's
see
sure
they
have
them
about
us
down
here.
A
B
C
All
right,
what
is
it
called
bionics.
A
About
all
right
got
it,
and
what
john.
A
A
C
C
Not
a
whole
lot
of
updates.
I
met
very
briefly
with
lucas
last
night.
He
needs
to
find
a
different
time
this
weekend
to
do
that,
though,
so
we're
still
working
on
the
proposal-
and
I
am
going
through
and
making
a
bunch
of
changes
to
how
the
fusion
python
application
is
like
packaged
and
whatnot,
so
that,
when
we're
ready
to
deploy
that
it
will
be
a
lengthy
setup
process
on
the
box
that
it's
going
to
run.
A
On
sounds
good,
so
stay
tuned,
we'll
have
more
updates
on
that
you'll
see.
I
think
the
next
thing
you'll
you'll,
see
as
far
as
the
community
goes
is
we're
writing
up
a
discussion
for
lumio
to
get
people's
input
on
the
work
being
done
here.
The
application
that
we
think
is
very
valuable
and
then
that'll
move
into
a
proposal
to
see
if
the
community
wants
to
support
that,
I
think
they
will.
A
So
we
still
have
this
enable
dot
fr
matching
platform
that
our
our
friends
and
friends
developed
and
we
have
a
copy
of
the
code.
I
haven't
managed
to
get
it
up
and
running.
A
I
just
want
to
remind
folks
that
anyone
that
can
help
me
with
the
sort
of
the
system
side
of
a
hosted,
wordpress
site,
because
we're
hosted
on
a
platform
called
pressable
that
doesn't
give
us
full
access
to
the
the
root
os,
but
only
certain
wordpress
system,
folders,
and
so
I
need
help
getting
files
into
those
right,
folders
and
making
sure
that
they
are
accessible
and
work
the
right
way.
So
I
have
not
really
been
able
to
fully
evaluate
that
john
ideas.
E
You
know
we
this
week
we
are
bereft
of
our
brandeis
interns,
but
we
wrote
out
to
ian
roy
who
invites
to
see
whether
he
might
have
some
good
people
for
this
semester
and
he
invited
us
to
write
a
description
of
what
we
wanted
and
I
think
someone
along
those
lines
not
from
the
business
school
but
from
elsewhere
at
brandeis.
That
ian
might
well
know
someone
so
jeremy.
If
you
could
draft
a
description
of
what
you,
what
kind
of
a
student
you're
fishing
for,
I
think
he
would
help
before
we
try.
A
Okay,
so
yeah,
maybe
that
should
be
an
add
sign
for
me.
Description.
E
But
we
did
get
the
gift
that
you're
going
to
come
up
with
some
descriptions
of
the
skills
we
need
for
for
this
kind
of
thing,
on
the
hub,
as
well
as
for
what
jeremy's
doing.
A
Okay,
so
let's
see
ben
craft
description
of
skills
needed
for
what
are
we
just
talking
about
development
in
general?
Is
that
what
we're
talking
about.
A
A
A
It
was
alexander,
okay,
thank
you
for
the
reminder.
Anyway,
we
had
a
good
discussion
and
I
I
it
left
me
actually
feeling
like
they're.
We
really
probably
shouldn't
abandon,
enable
web
central
too
quickly.
I
think
there's
a
lot
of
value
there.
If
we
make
some
changes
which
we
talked
about,
we're
gonna
eliminate
a
lot
of
the
back
and
forth
approvals
that
sort
of
complicate
the
workflow
and
make
it
just
a
lot
simpler.
A
You
just
take
on
a
case,
you
do
it,
you
tell
them
when
it's
done,
that
sort
of
a
thing
and
we're
going
to
work
on
on
making
it
so
that
we
could
embed
it
right
within
the
hub.
So
it's
not
a
separate
application.
You
have
to
go
and
authenticate
and
log
in
or
whatever
it's
just
going
to
be
integrated
with
the
the
same
authentication.
If
we
can
pull
that
off.
A
So
if
we
could
do,
though,
even
those
things
without
adding
a
lot
of
the
other
functionality
we
want
to
add,
I
think
we
would
actually
have
a
platform
that
I
think
might
have
even
more
value
than
what
what's
in
the
enable
matching
platform
from
france.
Not
I
mean
it's
nothing
wrong
with
it,
but
it's
pretty
basic.
As
far
as
I
can
see
it's,
you
know
it's
for
matching
and
that's
it,
and
I
think
we
do
have
a
good
deal
more
than
that
in
ewc.
So
I
want
to
explore
both
paths.
A
Still,
I
I'm
not
giving
up
on
either
one,
but
I'm
I'm
gonna
need
some
some
help
for
sure
for
right
now,
I'm
gonna
go
back
and
talk
with
our
developers
team.
I
have
not
yet
but
we're
coordinating
a
meeting
about
how
we
can
do
those
things.
I
just
mentioned
to
improve
ewc,
to
reduce
a
lot
of
the
back
and
forth
and
simplify
the
case
workflow
and
then
also
to
see
if
we
can
get
it
pulled
into
the
hub,
make
it
more
kind
of
a
native
part
of
the
hub
instead
of
a
separate
app.
E
A
All
right,
I
don't
think,
there's
anything
yeah
go
ahead.
John.
E
I
was
just
gonna
say:
that's
good
news,
did
you
was
there
consensus
among
all
of
you
about
that
path
forward,
or
is
that.
A
I
think
so
alexander
and
bob
speak
up
if,
if
I'm
wrong,
but
I
I
felt
like
we
all
agreed
on
that
path,.
A
If
I'm
not
mistaken
I'll
know
more
once
I
talk
to
our
developers,
but
if
I'm
not
mistaken
the
at
least
the
first
one,
which
I
think
is
more
important,
simplifying
the
case
workflow,
I
don't
think
that's
actually
a
lot
of
work,
it's
mostly
just
bypassing
pieces
of
code.
So
I
I
think,
if
we
can
do
this
without
a
lot
of
work,
it's
definitely
worth
doing.
E
A
Not
andrew,
he
wasn't,
I
don't
think
he
had
enough
familiarity,
but
I
I
think
it
was
me
and
bob
okay
all
right,
so
I
don't
have
anything
to
report
on
enabling
the
future.org.
To
be
honest,
it
really
isn't
being
maintained
like
it
used
to
be.
Jen
is
just
not
as
engaged
as
she
was
in
years
past.
Her
focus
is
elsewhere,
and
so
that
might
be
something
we
want
to
talk
about
at
some
point,
for
example,
right
now
enable.org,
which
is
kind
of
our
primary
domain.
A
At
this
point,
enable.org
points
to
enablingthefuture.org
at
some
point,
maybe
there's
you
know
it's
it's
time
to
think
about
changing
that
and
enable.org
could
have
its
own
landing
page.
That
summarizes
who
and
what
we
are
and
directs
people
right
into
the
hub,
or
you
know
to
enable
web
central
or
what
have
you?
A
I
don't
know
if,
if
that's
something
we
need
to
do
now,
but
there's
no
new
content
going
out
on
enabling
the
future.
Unless
you
know
we
write
something
and
and
send
it
over
right,
you've
done
a
couple
of
times.
E
Well,
it's
a
good
thought.
It's
worth
looking
at
the
website
again,
because
what
it
should
be.
What
enabled.org
should
be
is
a
public-facing
overview
of
enable
and
the
hub
is
a
member
facing
overview
and
guide
to
getting
involved
in
enable
right,
and
it
could
be
that
we
could
simplify
and
fortify
enable.org
by
really
making
it
clear
that
that
is
the
mission.
A
I'm
not
sure
I
mean
right
now,
enable.org
points
to
enabling
the
future.org
we're
really
talking
about
one.
On
the
same
right
now
and
as
of
now,
I
I
think
the
way
it's
set
up
is
actually
pretty
close
to
what
you
described.
You
know
it's
set
up
as
a
public
facing
site.
It's
got
lots
of
stories.
It's
got
about
us.
It's
got
how
to
get
involved.
You
know.
Maybe
we
need
to
do
some
cleanup
and
you
know
clarify
things,
but
I
you
know.
I
think
that
is
how
it's
set
up
for
the
most
part.
A
D
A
A
D
A
Yeah
sounds
good,
sounds
good,
okay.
So,
let's
see
what
do
we
have
next
here
enable
hub?
So,
oh
I'm
sorry,
oh
yeah!
No!
I
I
I'm
in
the
right
order
here.
Enablehub
new
enabled
devices
catalog.
So
next
steps
alexander
tell
us
where
we're
at.
I
think
you've
pretty
much
finished
with
the
the
work
that
you
were
doing.
As
far
as
the
templates
go
right.
C
Sorry
wasn't
using
the
proper
mic.
There
are
some
bits
and
bobs
left
for
me
to
finish
that
I
haven't
gotten
around
to
yet.
A
Okay
and
so
then,
when
that's
when
you're
done
with
your
part,
where
do
you
see
that
where
do
you
see
that
is
that,
is
it
going
to
actually
be
sort
of
rolled
out?
Do
you
see
it
being
where
the
catalog
will
be
updated,
with
the
current
devices
being
put
into
that
new
template,
or
is
your
deliverable
gonna
be
the
the
template
and
we're
gonna
need
somebody
to
help
us
copy
everything
over
into
that
template?
I
don't
remember
where
we
left
things
off.
C
It
is
a
combination,
so
the
template
that
I
have
right
now
is
for
hand
devices
as
in
wrist
actuated
devices.
Okay
and
I've
centralized
the
mechanical
characteristics
and
description
for
everything
that
would
be
wrist
powered,
however,
for
the
big
arms
and
for
the
little
fingers
that
that
particular
template
doesn't
work.
A
But
for
the
hand
template
that
you
have
done,
are
you
going
to
be
putting
all
those
current
hand
designs
into
that
new
format,
or
do
we
need
somebody
else
to
help
with
that?.
C
The
recommended
hand
designs
are
already
in
there.
Okay,
you
just
need
a
little
bit
of
checkup.
C
A
Excellent
on
a
related
note,
I
am
seeking
help
for
somebody
to
take
over
two
specific
responsibilities
from
me,
not
urgent,
but
this
is
something
I
would
like
to
hand
off
number
one.
A
Is
the
weekly
enablemetrics
reporting
so
every
week
before
these
meetings,
I'm
going
in
and
pulling
metrics
from
a
report
that
we
have
on
the
hub
and
putting
those
into
a
spreadsheet
to
update
a
chart
and
pulling
those
in
here
and
it's
just,
I
can
do
it-
it's
not
a
big
deal,
but
if
somebody
wants
to
help
with
tracking
metrics
it's
it's,
you
know
something
that
would
free
up
time.
For
me,
more
important-
and
I
didn't
finish
typing
here-
is
adding
new
designs
to
our
devices
catalog.
A
A
Given
the
approach
that
we're
using
with
alexander's
new
design,
so
it'll
now
go
into
a
spreadsheet
which
will
feed
into
building
those
pages
in
the
hub,
but
I
would
really
love
to
have
a
volunteer
that
would
take
over
adding
new
designs
as
they
get
submitted.
It's
not
hard.
It's
just!
You
know
there
is
time,
it's
probably
if
I
had
to
guess
I'd,
say
15
to
20
minutes,
probably
to
add
a
new
design.
A
You
know
just
checking
links
make
sure
you
have
the
right
images
stuff
like
that,
putting
it
into
the
right
fields,
probably
not
more
than
that,
and
I
would
say
we
get
a
new
design
on
average,
no
more
than
one
or
two
per
month.
So
we're
not
talking
about
a
huge
time
commitment
here,
so
I'm
just
gonna
put
that
out
there.
A
D
Sorry,
both
of
those
tasks
as
well
as
some
of
the
other
tests
might
fall
into
the
realm
of
a
sort
of
tech,
savvy
intern.
A
A
Yeah
I
mean
the
only
trick
with
interns
is
that
they
tend
not
to
last
very
long,
and
so
we'd
have
to
have
a
process
for
handing
off
from
one
to
the
next,
but
it's
possibility
sure
yeah.
No,
these
are
not
complicated
tasks.
So
it's
not
hard
to
train
somebody
at
all
and
it
could
definitely
be
handed
from
one
intern
to
the
next.
A
If
we
can
put
a
process
together,
all
right
on,
we
go
out
recent
partnerships
so
created
this
new
sub
area
for
collaborating
to
help
address,
needs
in
other
areas,
and
we
talked
a
little
bit
earlier
about
needs
in
india,
nigeria
and
cameroon,
and
I
see
that
somebody
else
put
a
note
in
here
about
meeting
a
champion
for
this
whole
process.
A
I
imagine
that
came
from
john
with
a
note
that
ben's
going
to
gather
some
resources,
so
I
just
want
to
turn
this
over
to
you
guys.
We
can
talk
about
each
one
of
these
a
little
bit
john.
You
want
to
talk
about
india
at
all
more
or
do
we
cover
everything
you
have
there.
D
D
The
point
is,
I
think
we
really
need
to
figure
out
an
onboarding
strategy
and
process
for
them
and
perhaps
for
other
groups
like
nigeria
and
cameroon
in
remote
locations
that
may
need
kickstarting.
A
Yep,
okay,
let's
see
bob,
do
you
want
to
talk
a
little
bit
about?
What's
going
on
with
nigeria
and
cameroon?
Give
us
some
details.
B
B
Yes,
much
better.
Okay,
sorry,
as
I
said
earlier,
both
were
helped
us
tickets,
one
from
this
pro
prosthetist
in
nigeria,
the
other
from
the
group
of
professional
people
in
cameroon-
and
it
really
comes
down
to,
I
think,
do
we
as
as
an
organization
financially
assist
the
setting
up
of
services
in
previously
underserved
areas.
B
D
More
recently,
we've
recognized
that
that
has
hampered
the
spread
of
enable
into
challenging
regions
where
there
is
great
need
and
limited
resources,
and
we
have
we
have
money
that
we
could
spend
in
that
direction,
and
we've
talked
in
the
goldman
sachs
episode
about
actually
building
up
a
real
capability
that
way.
So
it's
it's
gotten
onto
our
radar
and
I
think
it's
it's
a
potential
area
of
advancement.
However,
my
experience
has
also
been
that
you
can't
just
say:
here's
some
money
knock
yourself
out.
D
The
real
question
is:
do
we
does
somebody
want
to
develop
and
lead
a.
D
An
expansion
program-
and
you
know
enable
thailand
has
done
this
for
some
of
their
neighbors.
They
might
actually
be
good
people
to
talk
to
about
this,
but
I
think
that
would
be
the
way
in
which
we
could
help
establish
beach.
Heads
in
some
of
these
locations
is,
if
somebody
perhaps
with
some
funding
from
us,
actually
developed
a
meaningful
chapter:
onboarding
curriculum
with
training
and
mentorship.
B
E
B
Just
sending
a
check
or
sending
a
printer
isn't
going
to
do
it.
I
think
your
comments
are
valid,
but
now
we
need
a
volunteer
who's
willing
to
do
that.
D
Okay,
I
will
take
an
action
item
just
to
reach
out
to
james
quilty,
who
has
done
this
in
the
past
and
might
be
interested
in
doing
it
again
for
all.
We
know.
B
D
A
Okay
sounds
like
you
got
a
plan
good
collaborations
with
medical
professionals,
so
we
had
an
email
exchange
that
came
in
this
week
that
we
wanted
to
discuss.
This
came
from
a
dr
barry,
lucas
engineering
and
robotics
specialist
with
clayton
bradley
stem
academy,
and
if
you
don't
mind,
it's
not
that
long,
I'm
just
going
to
read
it
because
otherwise
it's
going
to
be
hard
to
discuss.
So
he
says
hi
john.
My
students
had
the
opportunity
wednesday
to
meet
with
a
group
of
local
pediatric
surgeons.
A
They
practice
at
the
knoxville
ortho
clinic,
but
are
the
primary
pediatric
orthodox
at
the
east
tennessee
children's
hospital.
Their
feedback
was
really
interesting
regarding
upper
limb,
prosthetic
success
rates
and
the
overall
perspective
on
the
value
of
upper
limb
prosthetics
in
general,
particularly
for
individuals
that
are
born
with
an
unformed
upper
limb.
The
overall
consensus
in
the
room
is
that
we
as
humans,
with
a
full
complement
of
limbs,
often
look
at
a
person
with
an
amputation
and
see
a
problem
where
a
problem
may
not
exist.
A
A
The
doctors
were
quick
to
caution
the
students
about
immediately
looking
at
someone
with
a
limb
deficiency
and
labeling
them
as
in
need,
as
we've
followed
up
with
our
recipients.
We've
found
essentially
the
same
thing
that
professionals
at
hanger
clinic
have
found
upper
limb.
Prosthetics
are
seldom
used
by
individuals
who
are
born
with
a
congenital
defect
and
are
only
typically
used
if
that
individual
needs
to
perform
a
specific
task.
A
The
long-term
use
rate
goes
up
significantly
for
individuals
who
have
suffered
a
traumatic
loss
of
a
limb,
but
that
type
of
currents
has
come
way
down
as
safety
measures
on
cars,
farm
equipment,
etc.
Have
improved,
they
commented
that
they
don't
lose
many
limbs
these
days.
This
is
probably
fairly
u.s
specific,
but
overall,
I
think
that
this
visit
made
us
think
critically
about
what
we're
doing,
with
the
enable
program
providing
a
prosthetic
to
a
youth
who
has
asked
for
one
and
can't
afford.
One
is
a
good
thing,
a
noble
endeavor.
A
No
doubt,
however,
I
think
my
student's
biggest
takeaway
was
the
importance
of
knowing
your
end
user
and
not
engineering
in
a
vacuum,
as
one
of
the
founders
of
enable
I'm
curious
to
hear
your
thoughts
on
this,
it's
a
great
educational
opportunity
for
students
and
it
feels
great
to
feel
like
you're
helping.
I
just
want
to
make
sure
we're
being
completely
honest
with
ourselves
about
the
work
we're
doing.
Thanks
for
all
you
do,
barry
john's
response
was
short.
A
Thanks
barry,
it's
an
important
point,
and
this
is
probably
why
most
kids
don't
wear
the
devices
that
often
I've
had
parents
tell
me
that
their
kids,
that
their
kid
wears
it
to
school
on
the
first
day
of
class
and
shows
it
off
and
meeting
new
friends
and
that's
it.
But
I
suspect
this
is
indicative,
but
only
part
of
the
social
and
psychological
benefit.
The
full
functionality
of
an
amputee
is
important
to
keep
in
mind.
We
have
a
town
hall
meeting
in
a
few
minutes
we
find
proper
discussion,
etc.
A
So
I
want
to
just
bring
this
up
for
discussion
and
I'll
I'll
just
say
to
start
us
off
that
I
I
completely
agree
with
everything.
Barry
was
saying
and-
and
I
don't
think
it's
anything
new
to
us-
I
I
think
for
the
most
part
we
operate
in
this
in
this
way,
but
I
think
it's
a
wonderful
reminder
and
something
we
do
need
to
remind
ourselves
of
often
so
that's
my
take
on
it,
but.
C
Isn't
this
exactly
what
we
talked,
what
we
wanted
to
talk
about,
asking
the
patients
before
you're
starting
to
make
a
device?
What
exactly
do
they
need.
A
A
C
E
B
Right,
another
factor
here
and
a
party
that's
missing
in
the
discussion,
that
is
the
role
of
the
parents.
When
you
deal
with
the
young
people,
I've
noticed
the
parents
are
really
asking
for
the
device,
not
the
child.
That's
right,
and
I
wonder
how
much
of
this
is
to
assuage
their
own
guilt
and
tough
feelings
about
the
child,
not
being
in
their
mind,
100
percent,
that
that's
why
I've.
A
Personally
always
felt
uncomfortable
about
making
enable
devices
for
younger
kids.
Like
I
mean
anything
to
me
under
seven
or
eight
years
old,
it's
very
unlikely
that
it's
the
kid
that
really
has
a
problem
with
the
indifference.
So
that's
always
made
me
a
bit
uncomfortable.
I
think
we
have
to
be
very
careful
about
that.
B
B
E
E
It
is
a
rich
psycho-emotional
space,
but
you
know,
I
think,
barry
is
also
asking
us
a
couple
of
other
deep
questions.
One
is:
are
we
and
not
just
us
but
sort
of
the
enable
community
thinking
and
acting
about
this
in
the
right
way?
E
And
I
think
he's
quite
right
that
many
people
who
come
on
board
say
I've
got
a
3d
printer.
I
think
these
mechanical
hands
are
really
cool.
I
want
to
help
people
I'm
going
to
do
this,
that's
their
orientation
and
their
motivation.
It's
been,
I
think,
a
big
input
and
influence
on
the
movement,
but.
A
But
I
think
I
think
it's
important
to
point
out
two
things
here,
because
when
I
read
his
email,
it's
it's
wonderful
feedback,
but
it
seems
to
me
to
be
coming
from
the
perspective
of
perceiving
enable,
as
mostly
being
about
making
devices
for
kids,
and
I
think
that's
where
we
came
from
originally.
A
I
think
we've
we've
broadened
quite
a
lot
since
then.
So
when
we
look
at
our
international
activities,
we're
seeing
very
different
needs
from
adults
in
other
regions
that
this
doesn't
necessarily
apply
as
much
to
I
mean
there
are,
there
are
cultural
and
social
implications
in
other
regions
where
people
you
know
they
they
want
a
device
in
in
in
ways
that
this
doesn't
really
address.
So
that's
a
separate
part
of
the
equation.
The
other
thing
I
I
wanted
to
point
out
is
that
we
I
I
think
we
are
what
was
I
gonna
say
the
I.
A
I
guess
I'll
leave
it
at
that.
I
think
I
think
it's
just
it's
good
feedback,
but
we
don't
just
make
these
for
kids.
We
have
to
remember
that.
I
I
think
we
need
to
be
extra
careful
when
we're
doing
these
for
young
people,
but
I
think
this
is
less
of
an
issue
for
adults
and
I
think
we're
doing
a
lot
of
good.
I
just
don't
want
him
to
be
left
feeling
like
well,
you
know.
B
And,
as
you
said,
jeremy,
this
may
be
u.s
centric
as
opposed
to
international.
That's.
I
will
relate
that
in
the
help
desk.
I
get
a
number
of
very
heart-rending
appeals
for
devices
and
they're
from
adults,
not
kids
and
they
are
I've
lost
my
hand
and
I
can't
provide
for
my
family.
I
mean
you
sit
here
and
I
look
at
my
wife
and
say
my
god
right.
A
Right,
you
know,
there's
no
doubt
there's
need,
and-
and
the
other
thing
that
could
you
say
that
again
sorry,
the
other
thing
that
he
said
that
I
thought
was
really
important-
is
the
point
about
people
using
these
devices
to
perform
a
specific
task,
and
that's
something
that
we
have
definitely
realized
and
I
think
we're
moving
in
that
direction.
But
I
think
we
need
to
keep
thinking
about
that.
A
Don't
think
of
this
as
making
a
device
that
somebody's
going
to
wear
24
hours
a
day,
think
of
it
as
something
they
can
slip
on
when
they
need
to
do
something
particular
and
if
we,
if
we
think
of
design
in
a
more
you
know
a
a
very
specific
way
of
a
device
to
do
certain
things
very
well.
That
might
provide
more
assistance.
I
see
alexander
has
his
hand
up.
C
Maybe
it
would
be
worth
after
we
finished
the
current
new
design
to
start
looking
into
designs
that
are
specifically
not
aesthetic,
but
that
have
very
powerful
mechanical
function.
Yeah
yeah,
definitely.
A
A
Yeah,
I
I
think
our
portfolio
should
include
both
categories,
things
that
look
beautiful.
You
know
that
you
might
wear
to
a
party
and
things
that
are
very
functional,
that
might
look
like
whatever,
but
they
get
the
job
done.
I
think
both
have
a
place
in
the
catalog
okay.
Anybody
have
anything
else
that
you'd
like
to
talk
about
on
this
topic
of
this
very
helpful
feedback
and
exchange.
Here,
I'm
going
to
let
you
respond
to
him,
john,
if
you'd
like
to
follow
up
on
this.
E
E
I
guess
I
will
just
point
him
to
this
portion
of
the
videotape
when
it's
sure
when
we
can,
you
know
I
think,
there's
so
that's
how
we
feel
about
it,
but
we
haven't
really
addressed
how
barry
and
his
kids
came
away,
feeling
about
it
and
in
their
environment,
they've
just
been
advised
that
you
know
you
may
be
solving
a
non-problem
or
or
spending
time
on
a
non-problem.
A
E
Absolutely
I
I
think
I
want
to
here's
the
point,
I'm
I'm
creeping
up
on.
You
know
this
is
not
just
a
problem
or
a
challenge
for
enabled
practitioners.
It's
also
a
challenge
for
medical
and
prosthetic
practitioners,
and,
in
particular
engineers
who,
when
they're
young,
will
often
join
enable
the
this
relates
to
the
difference
between,
for
example,
a
hand,
surgeon,
a
prosthetist,
a
pt
and
an
ot,
a
physical
therapist
and
an
occupational
therapist
I've.
E
You
know
late
in
the
game,
come
to
understand
that
the
occupational
therapists
are
the
ones
whose
job
it
is
to
really
look
carefully
at.
What
does
the
patient
need
to
do,
and
how
can
we
help
them?
Do
it
and
I
suspect
they
provide
all
sorts
of
psychological,
counseling
and
advice
along
the
way
they
are
real
problem
solvers
and
the
problems
they're
solving
are
not
design
and
engineering
problems,
although
they
do
get
to
do
that.
E
I
think
all
of
us,
including
the
professionals
who
are
not
listening,
but
have
have
this
problem,
really
need
to
try
to
put
more
emphasis,
as
alexander
said,
on
understanding
that
particular
human
and
thinking
hard
not
about
what
it
would
be
most
cool
to
make
for
them,
but
what
it
would
be
most
valuable
to
do
with
them.
A
I
I
can't
help
but
wonder
if,
if
we
think
about
what
you
just
said,
john
the
medical
professionals
in
the
community,
that
you
know
you
have
a
kid
with
a
limb
difference.
You
take
them
to
this
medical
professional.
The
solutions
that
are
going
to
be
offered
think
about
that
in
the
context
of
insurance.
A
Right,
we've
talked
about
this
many
times
with
the
enable
insurance
companies
don't
want
to
cover
prosthetics
for
kids,
because
they're
going
to
outgrow
them,
and
so
that
was
part
of
why
enable
came
along
and
was
so
powerful
because
we
could
offer
an
option
there.
So
does
that
change
things
in
the
sense
that
maybe
it
wasn't
such
a
problem
because
they
weren't
often
offering
prosthetic
devices
to
the
kids
because
they
didn't
have
insurance
coverage.
A
B
It
does
it
does
it's
worth
thinking
about.
I
think
I
think
something
barry
says
I'm
just
reading
it
here.
The
long-term
use
rate
goes
up
significantly
for
individuals
who
have
suffered
a
traumatic
loss.
Well,
if
a
child
is
born
that
way,
they've
never
missed
it.
That's
right,
but
if
a
person
has
had
a
functional
limb,
their
whole
life
and
suddenly
doesn't
common
sense,
tells
you
there's
a
greater
sense
of
loss
and.
E
A
B
A
Okay,
good
discussion,
I'm
going
to
move
us
on
for
now,
but
I
I
think
that's
that
was
a
really
helpful
reminder
of
things.
We
need
to
keep.
A
A
A
A
repository
of
assistive
tech
seems
to
me
like
a
valuable
source
of
data.
I
don't
know,
but
okay,
so
we're
still
pursuing
this.
C
E
So
I
can
tell
you
that
they
that
the
the
leader
of
this
process,
roon
thorson,
was
very
encouraged
by
the
meeting
with
microsoft.
That's
all
I
know
he's
working
up
a
budget.
E
He
did
ask
various
groups
what
kind
of
compensation
they
would
need
to
contribute
and
what
their
contributions
would
be,
and
I
took
the
position
that
our
designs
are
open
source
and
we
would
be
happy
to
give
them
some
of
our
recommended
designs
for
inclusion,
that
we
don't
require
compensation,
although
we
welcome
donations
whenever
those
happen
to
be
available
and
that
well,
we
recommend
people
like
alexander
and
andrew
as
potential
service
providers
as
they
develop
their
platform.
That
would
be
done
independent
of
enable
per
se.
E
A
Well,
on
that
note
of
being
an
all-volunteer
organization,
I
actually
want
to
step
back
a
moment
to
something
that
alexander
just
said,
because
he
made
a
comment
that
he
does
it's
not
his
decision
to
make
as
to
whether
we
move
forward
on
this.
So
I
want
to
talk
just
a
moment
about
governance,
because
this
is
a
tricky
topic
with
the
enable
and
a
lot
of
people.
I
think
maybe
don't
understand
how
things
work
here.
Nobody
has
that
decision-making
authority,
no
individual
has
that
decision
making
authority.
A
The
closest
thing
that
we
have
in
this
community
to
a
decision
making
body
would
be
what
we're
calling
this
community
coordination
committee
here
that
meets
every
week
and
it
has
no
fixed
membership.
It's
whoever
chooses
to
show
up.
Okay,
everyone
in
the
community
is
welcome
to
join
these
meetings.
Whoever
is
here
has
equal
voting
rights
in
making
whatever
decisions
that
we
have
to
make.
We
we
decide
on
things
collectively
and
we
want
as
many
who
want
to
join
us
to
join
us.
A
Whoever
cares
to
should
feel
welcome
here
and
and
again
nobody
has
any
more
authority
here
than
anybody
else.
I
just
wanted
to
stress
that
so
moving
on
anything
else.
On
collaborations
with
these
other
assistants,
we
already
covered
maker's
asylum,
anything
to
talk
about
with
3d
crowd
or
the
amputee
coalition,
or
I
mean
I
guess
this
kind
of
just
goes
back
to
john
what
you're
saying
about
trying
to
find
somebody
to
be
kind
of
a
champion
for
some
of
these
international
collaborations.
E
Yeah,
you
know
I'm
sort
of
feeling
that
we're
missing
a
player
or
two
as
we
keep
coming
up
against
these
issues.
E
Present
company,
I
think,
is
really
a
wonderful
group
to
work
with
and
very
talented
and
engaged
each
in
their
own
way,
but
none
of
us
are
in
a
position
to
really
take
on
the
opportunities
that
do
some
the
opportunities
of
the
sort
we're
talking
about
right
now,
I'm
not
I
mean
there
are
two
things
you
can
do
about
it.
E
There
are
other
people
who
may
wish
to
rise
to
that
occasion
from
within
the
community,
and
then
let's
remember
that
we
do
have
money
that
we
believe
is
appropriate
when
we
come
up
with
against
things
that
volunteers
won't,
do
can't
do
or
shouldn't
do
if
we
have
the
right
person
to
pay
for
that
function,
and
I
think
that
there's
an
opportunity
here
for
someone
who
can
step
up
and
say
look,
I
think,
over
the
years
I'm
now
channeling
that
person
that
hypothetical
person
that
hypothetical
person
could
say.
E
I
think
we
can
see
that
over
the
years,
this
kind
of
semi-professional
mentoring
of
new
groups
in
challenging
environments
is
not
something
we
have
found
a
responsible
pro
bono
volunteer.
Who
can
stick
with
and
pursue.
E
I
have
those
skills
and
with
support
from
the
enable
fund,
I
would
develop
a
program.
That's
you
know
I.
I
can't
name
the
person
who
would
step
who
would
step
up
and
say
those
words,
but
if
the
right
person
stepped
up
and
said
that
said
those
words,
I
suspect
the
community
would
be
willing
to
look
at
the
plan
and
then
invest
10
or
more
thousand
dollars
to
try
to
get
that
kind
of
thing
going.
B
C
A
All
right,
so
I'm
going
to
suggest
that
we
actually
start
to
wrap
up
here.
Does
anybody
have
any
I'm
not
going
to
get
into
these
other
topics
on
the
agenda
today?
Does
anybody
have
anything
else
that
you
want
to
talk
about,
because
I
have
one
other
thing
I
want
to
cover
before
we
wrap
up
john.
A
But
it
occurred
to
me
that
we
do
have
the
ability
to
you
know
you
can
link
to
a
specific
point
in
a
youtube
video,
and
so
it
occurred
to
me
that
maybe
we
should
get
in
the
habit
of
sort
of
summing
up
which
I'm
going
to
do
right
now,
sort
of
what
we're
looking
for
in
terms
of
specific
help
from
the
community,
and
then
we
can
do
a
post
in
the
hub
and
link.
Just
to
this
part
of
the
video
saying,
please
watch
this
to
get
details.
A
So
what
we
talked
about
today
is
needing
help
with
a
few
things.
I
need
somebody
to
help
me
to
gather
our
enable
metrics
each
week,
which
is
just
pulling
data,
mostly
from
a
report
on
the
hub
and
putting
it
into
a
spreadsheet,
and
we
need
somebody
to
help
us
add
new
designs
into
the
enabled
device
catalog.
A
So
when
somebody
fills
out
a
form
to
say
here's,
a
new
design
and
here's
all
the
information
about
it,
you
have
to
basically
pull
that
in
and
populate
it
into
a
spreadsheet
so
that
it
ends
up
where
we
need
it
in
the
hub.
Looking
for
somebody
to
take
that
over
and
then
we're
looking
for
somebody
to
take
the
lead
on
sort
of
collaborations
in
other
regions
that
need
help.
A
So
we've
got
people
that
have
reached
out
to
us
from
nigeria
from
cameroon
from
let's
see,
there's
a
third
area,
india
and
we
need
people
to
kind
of
work
on
relationships,
possibly
collaborating
with
other
like-minded
groups
in
that
area.
To
help
address
those
needs
and-
and
similarly.
E
From
vietnam
just
yesterday,
so
I'm
gonna
add
them
to
the
list.
A
Vietnam,
okay,
very
good
so
anyway,
somebody
to
help
kind
of
take
the
lead
on
outreach
and
collaborations.