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From YouTube: Ethereum Cat Herders Meeting #24 [2019/12/10]

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Agenda: https://github.com/ethereum-cat-herders/PM/issues/99

A

So good morning, everyone or evening, depending where you're at meeting number 24 so first item on the agenda, opposed agenda and chats just for reference. But first item on the agenda: is the cat, herders and eat magicians collaboration? We have a net on the call from Heath magicians yeah. Take it away.

B

So from last cold there is no change, but medicines are still looking for always how we can collaborate together, I'm I, don't think so dude right now there is like much of collaboration of next collaboration, but definitely we are looking for collaborating in the future with you guys, but right now there are no opportunities for juice to do so. But thank you so much everyone who helps and who attended the call that happened on Wednesday and I appreciate that every each one of you that has been.

C

D

And that you put together a document that, in the last meeting and I think we ran through and the first part of it there's quite a few things that were outstanding, or at least that we could have spoken about in the second part. And do you want to talk to that at all? In this meeting.

B

Sure the document I hope that.

B

There is the document. I was talking about last time. I hope that it's, the one that we've been talking about and I don't see very much from what happened. Last time, I actually haven't found any other document, all right, the one that we use last time almost call, but this is the only one that I found for disco.

D

B

It's this pretty much it everything. What I have.

B

And I just don't want to waste your time guys with talking about the things, but I think that there were so many things from the last call that were outstanding. There were about Istanbul already happened, I.

B

Mean if there are some outstanding things, I will definitely add them to 2:00 p.m. for the next call.

B

A

Maybe one thing that could be worth pushing forward is like the idea around fundraising. I know we discussed this at Def Con and it came back up, but do like some joint fundraising for the cat herders and for each magicians.

A

It feels like it's something that's like hard to do on these calls, obviously, because you need like brainstorm and actually do the work, but maybe if people are interested in that, like I, don't know, is it like a working group? This is maybe not the right term but like if a couple people are interested in like helping setting up fundraising efforts for like the cat, herders and eat magicians. It feels like something that we could have been offline and and and be really valuable. I mean.

B

Definitely we are looking for a ways how to support that and how to work on the phone I think.

B

With Jamie lately, but Jamie telling so much lately, so I haven't got much time to sing with him to talk about like next steps with funding, but Jamie started a thread on magicians forum that I just posted a link to it and he started the thing about quadratic funding and I. Didn't did he so I, don't know with him.

B

If there is somebody to help us with fundraising.

B

B

But we have actually some spreadsheet that I can share with you guys as well like who we are.

B

A

Think that it happens, oh no.

D

Just come back to the fundraising thing, obviously, the last time the cat herders did any fundraising was early this year. So we're probably coming around to the next round of fundraising process and time zone going through get Queen and and perhaps bounty, and so on a per mighty net.

D

Our date, they could probe you with having a sit-down. So if we have an action item or something like that, just to I just a get together and brainstorm ideas with the magician's of the killing, those people- wanna collaborate, Annette, probably just drop an item or get her channel.

D

B

Sure I'm down to that, but actually I'm only in contenders community channel on Twitter. So somebody is willing to.

D

Fundraising: group, okay,.

B

I'll create one I think that we actually have one with Tim, Hudson and Jamie, and the people that attended.

D

B

Meeting so I can, if you ping me on telegram, please thank you.

B

But thank you for initiative to connect in our fundraising, like colors and magicians. That can.

B

Appreciate. Thank you.

C

C

We can take it to the funders, it takes some kind of deck or something I mean that's.

E

C

E

Committee I think.

A

Awesome next agenda item was hard for coordination update and we have our hartford coordinator on the call James. You wanna give a quick update.

A

Oh, if you're still there.

F

Sorry I was on mute obvious. Unfortunately, it happened and I'd actually be interested in hearing thoughts from the group. As far as coordination went, I have I, have it I wasn't as active with Istanbul and I want to make sure that I understand I had said earlier. This is somehow my first time being in the in on the cat. Herders call and part of what I'd like to understand is where you guys see. This is this initiative in conjunction with the hard for coordination process?

F

Maybe that's. A bigger update should go on like its own agenda item. Overall, the Istanbul heart Fork is deployed and I haven't heard anything other than that that Scot, that it's I guess it's gone well.

C

Like it's over 97% notes, 97% notes are upgraded now, but thing was like it did not happen at the time of folks, so I mean like it would be nice to have it just before the folk. This big figures at the time we were like around 50 percent or less than that, so we can start coordinating a little early, probably if that would help to see these figures, I mean in my mind. It is great to have a more number of notes, upgraded.

D

I think you, spying on Pooja I mean certainly for ourselves now James when we were trying to push that number up. We did have I guess discussion around trying to coordinates to get in touch with the various mining pools and exchanges and I guess our various stakeholders within the ecosystem and one of the things that obviously we were very aware of- was just the likeness in the number of people swapping over to the new client and, and that obviously was a concern running up into me to the fork.

D

We would have liked to have started reaching out a little earlier, I guess for ourselves. We also held back a little bit because we weren't sure, if mere guys here was going to be included in the fork or not, and obviously it was now a separate Hawk. That's going to be happening in January, but certainly for for that.

D

We've been trying to engage with the stakeholders and find the best context for them, because I think a lot of the contacts that we had previously are no longer valid or they've gone from being personal contacts to being more professional contacts, as their organization has grown, and so we've been trying to collect information around that I guess, working with yourselves and yourself, specifically James, going forward.

D

I think that process could improve a little more as we go into the next walks, because we're very keen to oversee, as the cat herder is, to try and promote these folks sooner rather than later with most people. Basically, so that we, we don't look like we're chasing our tails towards the end.

F

One thing I found specifically challenging was getting ahold of stakeholders like, as you were saying, I'm more community ones, and something I'd like to do. Moving for is kind of tight is tighten the loop between communication channels as far as when something's decided how being able to get that information more quickly to the people that need to know it or want to know it and.

G

I think on that note, one super important thing is your glacier is happening like really soon and and I know on the catheters we already have a blog post drafted, but it feels like you know. After the core devs call on Friday, things should be pretty much set for the fork unless there's like some major, unexpected thing, and we should probably try and aim.

G

You know to push out like the cat, herders blog post on Friday right after the call and then as well as as like just starting to reach out to stakeholders, because it feels like yeah. The next upgrade is like everything we've done so far, but kind of on the hard mode.

D

Absolutely agreed 100 same time.

C

So I just shared the link of the draft that the mutilation of post cat orders are working on, feel free to add anything to it, and there are some questions. Openness has dimension that we might be getting more clarity after this Friday call like I, have added a section about test night of beta I'm, not sure if they have any kind of information. I believe that I mean I think Gauri would not be doing this kind of date for test net.

G

I think is Rob's dinner yeah the one yes.

C

G

The only one, okay.

C

Angrily all three around correct: yes,.

G

So it's probably worth stating that explicitly. Yes, it's like not just not having them but yeah. It's only it's only Rob Stan, which will Forge right.

C

And we we do not have any estimation of data or do we.

F

We do it's the first week of June of chittim January.

G

F

Rob still I don't know. Okay.

C

That may be one thing that we would want to know from the core developers. I can.

G

I can I can get that date for Rob's. Then I'll ask my team. Okay.

C

Sure yeah so yeah after Friday meeting. If we get some sort that update, we would add it over here and it should be good to send it out because, as early as they push it out would be easier to spread. The word around you.

F

Is there a place we have so all the contacts that we reached out to for Istanbul? Is there a place we've collected that so we can do that again or is that something we should be looking at doing absolutely.

D

James we've got a spreadsheet that we have within the cat herders that I can share with you that has the most up-to-date contact us that we're aware of. Obviously you might have better contacts which would obviously help improve that list. But, yes, we can share that with you, Jones yeah. Please do.

G

You, oh okay, anything else on hard fork. Coordination.

G

Okay, so the next. The next agenda item was the EIP IP, the eeap's improvement process and Hudson said he's. He doesn't have much of an update. Does anyone else have anything you want to share on this.

H

Not sure if this is the right time to mention it, but I've started to contact some of the older eeap's. The owners like, for example, I, contacted the owner of a IP 3 Martin Hulse wind, the EIP 3 is edition of call depth up code and he says yeah he's. He thinks that should be abandoned. So anyway, I'm gonna put out a post to the to the EIP git er thread, saying as anyone else interest or not want this to be moved to abandon and but anyway, I'm pushing towards that and stuff like that.

H

So that's one day, that'll be one down and a couple hundred more to go so.

G

That's pretty cool I think you can probably almost submit a PR to it directly and if people have an objection, they can object on the PR and your property. You know: you're gonna need Martin's, plus one on the PR, obviously to close it um but I think yeah. You might speed up the process a little bit if, like once, you get the eat champions like thumbs up just a minute PR to change it you know is like a one word changed.

H

Yep yep yeah I was that was sort of my next question is what's the process and you just answered that question. So thank you. Thank you. Yeah.

G

I'm not sure what the exact term is, but like I would just submit like a one-line PR change the status right on the eve Skinner, and if people have an objection, they can object on the PR directly and they can always reach Ange the status right like. If somebody really cares about the IP 3, they can like check, or you know, create a new offense and.

H

I plan on monitoring that stuff, so we can keep track of who's, but but anyway, yeah.

F

H

The decisions go.

F

Ahead from discussions before the IP editors, anything older than six months is pretty much that that hasn't had anything happened to. It is fair to be considered inactive and that's something that's something we worked on doing like nine months ago, but then didn't have any movement on actually making that.

H

Okay, that that really helps to know that's the kind of stuff I'm wondering about the next two is 86 and 101. Both are vitalic, so I'm going to send a message to to him. 86 is abstraction of transcription origin and signature and the other ones, serenity, currency and crypto abstraction. Does anyone know anything about those two or with those fall and the ready to be abandoned since they're, so old.

F

Can you send me send me those and I'll look at them and then I want to like actually really look at them before I respond, but I'll I can help with that 86.

H

Okay, here's well! Let me show you the link.

H

B

H

The here's the length of all of them and they're in there, the top three.

H

North at the top there, the second and third.

H

The EEI peas in that list there that are both the authors, are vitalic beuter and for both of those but but yeah. If you could review those and then let me know your take on if there's any information that says, I shouldn't contact, vitalic and ask him if he's wants to abandon those. Let me know for sure.

A

And the other updates on this.

A

Okay, I'm next one was migrating. Your die sigh I know: Charles had been kind of spearheading. This he's not on the call. Does anybody else have an update on this.

D

um Nah nah, not that then it's a case called invention, boss meeting sooner the better. If there is any song availability, do it cool.

A

Yeah I'll follow up with Charles yeah for like I yeah, so he can create kind of the initial transaction because, especially if we're converted I guess we'll probably do this like in two steps like not convert everything in one shots just because the UX for the the multi-sig is pretty bad. So if we can get it right once then it's easier to do right.

A

The second time again and so I can follow up with him on that and and we can like have a zoom call where he walks me through it, because he works for maker and he's pretty familiar with the process.

A

um Next next one was discussed and closed. The e CH github issues /p, are if I look at the issues now, there's thus taking one I think I ping Lane on this. Oh.

A

He said he would create a multi-stage transaction. He didn't I'll, give him another ping.

A

Then what else do we have the champion wanted for each 689 I feel like we can probably close this.

A

C

That for Istanbul or its phone now.

A

It's like an old eep that was by yochi and he left ethereum, so I guess it seems like, oh and and James. Actually you comment and.

F

A

Said this is actually already implemented. Yes,.

F

I I think I may actually have done this in March or something or was because it just the back. Discussion for this is the oet was very much a yellow paper person and certain things weren't updated that thirds things were updated in in a way that it wasn't also updated in the yellow paper and that all needed to kind of be in resolution. But this has actually been implemented as far as I remember correctly, cool.

A

So I'll close this people are free to reopen it if, if they feel strongly that this wasn't the right thing well, so we have so we have two other ones. So the impact of uncle rates on JIT.

A

This seems like kind of like just like some technical thing, from the core Debs meeting in Berlin from VIP six, one five, which was abandoned, I I, would probably close this like it doesn't seem that gives a clear action.

F

Yeah I would I would close that to any any movement on six one. Five is gonna, be broken into smaller parts and possibly spearheaded by et Cie. So it won't look. It won't come in this form anyway, yeah.

A

Okay, cool and then there's this other one around documenting the Koch brothers process, which is the PR and in the the last issue, Luke said he was still interested in doing this, but just like short on time right now, so I think we can just leave it open unless anyone has an issue with that.

A

Okay, so we're down to like two issues, which is not too bad.

A

Next thing was removing inactive people from the private chat.

A

Probably should do that. Does anyone disagree, I think.

D

We agreed I was just gonna put together a list which I don't believe he's done yet. Okay, so.

A

Let's just have an action item for Hudson to do the list discussing the PRT, aetherium dal org about the catheters page.

A

There's no link and I saw this like evolved from like ap art like a drop box paper document now. Does anyone have an update on that? I haven't been following. It super closely. Unfortunately,.

D

Charles William I'm nodding I'm, not calling.

A

Okay, so yeah: let's leave that there and then the cat herders website update and you won't have an update there.

D

We're gonna talk about the potential of putting this ax to you, market I'm, having a bounty or something I get to manage when the e CH website means updated and what should be paid, and so on I mean the reality is in terms of payments and so on. I guess it depends on how much work needs to be done if it's simply changing their hard fork from Istanbul to near a glassy or Mir delays here to Berlin I suspect, there's not a lot to be paid. If anything, one of us could probably do it. Do.

E

We know who's got access to it at the moment. Cuz yeah I'm, just gonna, ask because.

D

At the moment, it.

E

Just looks like it just needs the hard fork, update, yeah.

D

Correct you know was the last person to update it along with Charles I, know Hugo's unable to help the cat here. It is and present, because his day job is ramping up a bit. I can reach out to him there and just get get some help to to update it.

E

Yeah or I mean if we can get the login or something then there's.

B

A little happy.

E

To kind of help you with that updated super.

A

Great anything else on the website.

A

Okay and then we had a whole lot of action items I'll go over them, please bear with me and, and hopefully we can- we can trim this list down um working group to be formed to work on the awkward Dave's newsletter initiative. Does anyone have an update on that.

A

Okay, if no one does I think we should maybe leave it there for like the next call, but then like, if people still don't have updates, remove it after the next call catheters to communicate Forrest my heart pork, we did that Hudson to schedule the first, a IP IP meeting hasn't done it, so we can leave it. There create an e IP, IP telegram group I. Think Hudson. Did that not sure? Maybe we can just ask him. Does anyone know.

A

Okay, let's just ask Hudson ezh to consider what percentage of amount to put in a die savings contract and Charles was gonna write a proposal up for that. So let's leave those two there ec h to review issue 66 they decide if it should be closed. We just closed it Hudson to create a list to remove people from telegram we're still waiting on that Hudson to add James Hancock. That's done changes on this call ec h to review the community page. Okay. So they add. This is the etherium doll, org page it was linked here.

A

I just posted it in the chat, so I think we should probably leave that there because there's still a lot of discussion going down that page, you see h website to be updated, so we just discussed that to look into the funding of updating and maintaining the e CH website, I. Think I, guess Helen. Now, after you look at the website, maybe you can give us an update on this.

A

If you know it's enough, that no funding is needed or if it's actually quite big in and we should consider bounties- does that make sense- sure yeah cool uch multi-sig to finalize that payments I think we did all the payments.

A

If anybody is like weig lady on a payment for anything from the cat, sweaters multi-sig pay me but I'm I'm 99% sure we sent out all the all the payments.

A

Pch multi-sector refund the prod pal funds the bit fly. We did that already Hudson to confirm the wording from bit fly for the product, I'll, post I. Don't think he's done that, so we can leave it there and tell him to submit proposal for the EGC workshop I've done that I haven't heard back from EDC yet about the workshop.

A

So that was quite the list. Sorry for whoever's, taking notes on this and that's pretty much it through agenda last point is any other business. So is there anything else anyone wants to discuss.

C

Document you shared some times back about. You know the payments that you are doing and.

C

We were thinking of sharing that so I mean if you think that it is the right time so.

A

I, don't think whatever so the document which I just mentioned is this I just posted it in the chat? I'm, not sure we want to share this publicly because it has like everybody's info, and their address is not that, like none of this information is public like I got it all from the product. I'll audit page, but it's I, don't know, I feel a bit icky kind of sharing that, like each person and how much we sent them, but we have a blog post, yeah.

C

Actually, I'm talking about the postman, this document, okay,.

A

Yeah yeah yeah and the blog post Hudson just wanted to to get the confirmation about, like the wording from like the EF and and and like basically, the big companies involved.

A

Here's the draft of the blog post so we're basically just waiting Young Hudson to to ping those organizations and make sure that they're, okay with the the way it's worded because it was kind of awkward where, like like pit fly, is, is gonna bit like Atlantic crypto and the EF just like left their funds with the cat herders, which was really nice and and Atlantic crypto helped refund. The individuals who contributed to the audit but then bit fly is gonna, be donating to get coin grants with their refund.

A

So it was kind of awkward to try and like phrase all of this and have it be coherent. So we just want to make sure they're all okay with how its worded and yeah. So that's the only bit. That's missing, but otherwise that's pretty much the the update we can give.

C

Yeah that sounds reasonable.

C

A

Yeah as soon as as soon as like I guess, the EF is already okay with it. But I think it's mostly just bit flight and we need to confirm that they're, ok with the wording, because they kind of had the weirdest situation with their refund and- and we just want to make sure- that's like no they're happy with. But how we've we've explained things.

C

One more thing I wanted to share here, like last time, I, get to know that it was discussed. Maybe in DEFCON like we should keep rotating on sharing information, so chance opted to write the newsletter so I wanted to check if anybody else is interested in sharing the EC H update for next week or maybe any other week, so they can, let me know, and yeah we can take turns if we would want to like if anybody is interested in sharing that. Just let me know I.

A

Would be happy to help but I kind of need to know in advance, like I, probably couldn't pick up like this weeks, but if we had like a spreadsheet or something and I knew like you know a couple weeks in advance that I'm doing it, yeah I would be happy to take one from from time to time. Yeah.

E

I'm happy to help too, as well: puja, okay,.

C

In that case, I'm gonna create a spreadsheet, because this was the first I'm enchanted earlier. I was doing it so I'll then create a spreadsheet and we'll you know date who is gonna, take one, so that would be easier for us anybody else. If interested, please, let me know and I'll add them to the spreadsheet.

A

Cool anything else, anyone wants to discuss.

A

Okay, then yeah thanks everybody yeah. This was a really good call. I.

G

H

Through a lot of items fast, Thanks, yeah,.

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B

Be happen. Oh yes,.

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A

Next call literally falls on Christmas Eve yeah.

B

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A

We can just do four weeks from that, because yeah a.

D

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D

It's Christmas even then New Year's Day and then.

A

Seventh, the seventh at the same time, does that make sense.

B

Thank You Danny, it was awesome. Thank you Tim for moderating that thank you guys for inviting me over yeah.

A

You're welcome to come anytime also.

B

I created the group chat, feel free to add any one team and puja are in and Hudson ease in that fundraising group as well. I don't have other people on Graham, so feel free to ping me or pink team or pink fuchsia. To add you guys to the fundraising group. Thank you. Awesome.

D