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Agenda: https://github.com/ethereum-cat-herders/PM/issues/96

A

Okay, so looking at the agenda yeah, the first post is eath magicians collaboration. We should Oh Annette. Is there.

B

A

Nice so yeah we can start there, I, don't know if anyone has like background. They want to share her or yeah.

C

Yeah, this is in regards to the itemization and eth collaboration like coming back from the DEF CON, the discussion from Def Con that we are trying to look forward to work together and take care of each one and as far as possible for each two and how we can collaborate and work together. An improvement of AIP process, the hard work process and any other thing that is relevant. So an actor may have a proposal to share with us to show the roadmap, how we can collaborate and work together and at you maybe you stay cover.

C

B

B

And basically, the way howlers is that we would like to work on a newsletter or create some kind of document or some kind of article that we would like to share about like what is happening on all codex calls and all cards, because there has been a lot of interesting discussions around difficulty bump and I said, and we think that those topics are very important, that this can be that have to be somehow communicate to to the wider community. And we think that it can have very community out there.

B

And then we can probably collaborate together on a community, Q&A and I'm, not sure. If Thames and Hudson I remember on the DEF CON meeting, did we head over there. But we've been talking about the awesome. So I think that we could probably do something like that more or probably once a month and actually I've been talking to Hudson, then we would. We would start with the Istanbul Harford Community Co, as Jamie told me that Hudson did some community call about previous hard work. I'm, not sure if it was about Istanbul or Byzantium Hartford.

B

But he told me that he did that and I would like to do some community and if you guys can, if you guys, will click on the Istanbul Hartford community code. There is a document that I wrote down and I was a little bit chit-chatting with Hudson about that that we could probably do it. But the document is like one week all are almost two week old and I still haven't got them to update it. Really because there has been the difficulty bump and the ice age thing going on.

B

So I think that we would probably we can insert our. We can bring those conversations up on the call and I think that it would be awesome if we can mention or if we can invite some quarters or some other people on that goes. Oh.

D

Yeah all that sounds like pretty great ideas, so just if I could go back and just talk about a few Legion items that I was involved in within the cat herders to call document that you have and thanks for coming up with that by the way, so the first one with the newsletters or the articles about what's with all coordinates world like the discussions, I think that's a good idea, but I do want to be careful that we don't so here's here's part of the issue- and this also happens with any of the notes we have for the all for dev calls- is that things can get misinterpreted.

D

So, even though we're all reading the same thing on the chat or we hear it in the core dev call people can write the notes differently with how they interpret it. And then someone can get.

D

Someone can get I guess hauled out for having a certain opinion.

D

So I think that we can combat that in a certain a few different ways and I guess to be more specific, like if I'm, Martin, swindie and I'm talking about the difficulty bomb and like one day I, have like a loose opinion that should be in early January, but then I change it the next day. But then you don't catch it like then. His old opinion is the one in the article and then that, like almost becomes something that everyone latches on to and is like.

D

Oh, he thought this when in reality has so no I think the best way to adapt.

D

That is to have something at the top saying this is you know, independent note-taking effort that does not necessarily reflect the views of the core developers and then additionally, the second thing you can do is maybe make it so you don't name any names, but you do a very general article or almost like a Chatham House Rules article we're like you're, like most of the people talked about this, and this is what they came up with in conclusion or like with a difficulty bomb.

D

You can say that, like PJ rush post, this article and a few people had concerns because of XY and Z and stuff like that or and the core dev call refer to this part of the video or stuff like that. I.

B

Think you had some afford for the thoughts yeah I wanted to like make sure that the community see that there is actually progress happening because olanna, I'm daily on twitter and chatons I, see that this community is very salient about some things and I feel that on getter is happening. So many things that are important to communicate to community so community can can engage itself more so that that was my main input because I want the community to talk.

B

Main thing that I, just like more engagement with the community and like let the community be more informed about what is happening and that their progress is happening because when, for example, will or Danny or I'm I'm, not sure who else. When those people researchers are giving out articles on progress, they are doing the eat like one. So we go once twice a week or once a month and I think that it's not enough that there should be more updates, because the difficulty bound, for example, that was very important discussion very interesting and I'm.

B

Grateful that Thomas wrote an article, but I feel that that article was still very, very specific and I would like to see more from like on our side of the coin. Kind of like more simple, would make it more simple and less mathematical. So the community will understand it basically and it will be in like simple, simpler way kind of explain it do.

E

You have a link to that article on the difficulty bomb by any chance. Oh sure,.

B

I will hone in just give me a second Thanks.

E

D

Then I'm still y'all spend too much time on this. Oh go ahead. Brent! Oh.

A

Sorry it was, it was him speaking, touch sign, say. A couple of things like I. Think I agree with your point Hudson that, like it's extremely hard to summarize people's opinions without like missing some nuance and then you know them being perceived to have an opinion that they they don't have I mean I. Just try to do this by tweeting, the Chordettes call and, and- and you know, I still get stuff wrong and I oftentimes I'll. Just you know: tweet watch the live stream.

A

If you want the details and despite that, it's like not necessarily easy to get right, so I'm I'm, just a bit skeptical of like how successful we can be trying to like very quickly summarize everything that's happening, but one thing I think that could be really valuable is to just try and aggregate it. You know like like this stuff that you mentioned about the difficulty mob and whatnot. If there was like a weekly sort of you know, post on eath magicians.

A

That just said, like hey here, are the big things that happened and you can kind of refer people to the original sources so like to dis like dinner conversation and that article for the difficulty bomb to the Chordettes call notes when the call happens and just have it all in one place, I think that would be really valuable and then you can kind of share that on Twitter and whatnot, but I think I think it's yeah, it's hard to summarize things.

A

It's also twitter is like not the best place to discuss most of this stuff because of the nuance. So if we can just share it on Twitter and then have people go to like eath magicians or some some other place, and the discussions tend to be like much more valuable there yeah. So this would just be like my bit of feedback. I would.

D

Be hesitant to link directly to the all core Deb's getter, because it's it's a kind of a not well known place and I want to keep it that way, because the core devs feel safe, talking there and and yeah. If a bunch of people start knowing about it, they're gonna start spamming. It or you know, playing jokes in it and you know stuff like that. Like.

A

The core dance notes and- and you know, specific article or whatnot that get mentioned on Decatur- that makes sense, mm-hmm, yeah I, just definitely.

D

Mention it and put it back to the core deafness without Geo, going to get her for sure yeah.

A

D

Thinking about say this difficulty.

A

Bomb thing you know it would probably take me half a day to a day there like property, summarize it and I'm sure I'd get. You know a significant part of it's wrong and I'm, just not sure it's worth it, for anybody to just spend so much time trying to summarize it when there's like resources, that kind of explain it better and and where people you know like. If we just code quote TJ rushes article, you know we're not going to misquote him.

A

We could just point to his article and then people can still see that there's stuff happening, because you know it's like 15 minutes. Description of the difficulty bomb got written. Okay,.

D

That's that I think that's something we can work with. So whoever wants to work on this initiative will talk about it in more detail, so we're not flushing it out. All on this call I think is the best idea, and so.

B

Actually and please don't share okano Skinner anywhere, because I'm already sick of I.

B

Just can't, oh also.

D

A net these calls are recorded and notes are taken whatever.

B

D

Don't care okay, cool.

C

One thing before we move on to the next agenda item: just a two-minute like in the cat herders newsletter that we share. Sometimes we do mention the discussion going on in the alcalde of gator or the other chat, some some information that has not been covered in the because the call was not a CD called was not there and it's not being difficult. So clearly. Sometimes we mentioned that so that people may have their. You know some background of what's going on and something is important.

C

So what we can do is like if we are going to mention something like and you may want to create a discussion forum, NEC and magician. We can probably link that. So, if people reading out on this important discussion point, they can go back to it musician and share their comments and views on that.

B

Sure, okay, thanks for updating me and for clarifying things to me great.

D

And so, let's I propose, if you're, okay with it a net, we keep this as an agenda topic for the next cat. Herder call too to keep updated on it and also flesh out some of the other ideas over time. Like the telethon and stuff like that.

B

Sure, thank you, but just keep me keep me something doing.

B

B

Thank you. Yeah.

D

We'll start a chat and telegram I think we're already in a few chat, so we'll combine them and like get everybody who's interested in helping into one chat, room awesome.

B

Thank you, mm-hmm.

D

We can move on to the next one if you walked him.

A

Sure so next update is a hard for coordination, update Hudson. You want to get a good cup baked on on that.

D

Sure so let me see the exact item. Oh so I think I mentioned we have a hard fort coordinator and so they're mostly dealing with it now, but we are trying to decide when there would be a hard fork to delay the difficulty bomb because we are in the Ice Age right now, technically speaking so block times are going to continue to go up, there's different calculations about when that will happen.

D

Some of the calculations put it as early as the first week of December will hit 20 seconds. Other calculations say it's.

D

The first week of January will hit 20 to 30 seconds so, like we're still kind of figuring that out and it's very dependent on a few variable factors that, like I, think it depends heavily on difficulty, which is variable, so there may not be a there, may not be a way for us to accurately completely check on it, but what we're gonna do is just figure out the best way, this Friday to to figure out when to do the difficulty bomb delay hard fork. So that's pretty much. The latest Istanbul is on schedule.

D

We still need to reach out to a lot of people, so we'll need to coordinate that with the cat herders. The reason we haven't started. That is because, once we decide this Friday that's going to close, though you probably should start reaching out to them this week, even though we don't know the date for the next hard fork, we can at least be in communication with them about the net upcoming hard fork.

D

So yeah well we'll do that we'll start communication this week with other miners and exchanges and stuff like that about the hard fork and that's about it. Any questions or comments.

C

um Just to be sure like earlier, they started because we were waiting for this Friday call. So now we can start reaching out to them. Yeah.

D

And the reason is because I wanted to wait till the Friday call, but then that puts us like two days before my article that I posted on the etherium blog says to update, so we want to give people much more time to update. So if we start tomorrow, we would have enough time if we start tomorrow and keep doing it over the next four or five days, then that'll give people enough time before it comes on the what's the latest.

D

Let me just look it up real, quick, so the time that it's supposed to hard for right now is Saturday still so looking at the time, if we do it this Friday that gives people a week, so that might be okay. What what? What do you all think? Do you think we should wait till the call on Friday to figure out when the next hard Forks happening, or do you think we should not wait.

C

So the question, in my mind, is like I, read some discussion on a CD the matter. My question is the grade number that we are providing that you should be upgrading to this particular version of the software. Is that going to be changed because of the size age and what we should refer, just the one that you have shared in the recent blog post off within a foundation, or is it going to be changed into it? Do we need to communicate this as well to them so.

D

And the email, my thinking is that when we send it, we would say refer to this blog post to update for Istanbul and then additionally, please wait for another communication in the next two to four weeks or the next one to three weeks with another link to update your nodes again.

D

So, basically, because they're not going to be able to release I mean they may not release the software before it's tambul or if they do it'll be right before a Stamboul. And it's not going to be all the clients for sure, so we'll say, update for Istanbul and then we'll say. Please stand by for the next update.

F

Okay sounds good yeah.

A

I think that makes sense because, like I think you know, there's still some uncertainty about what will actually happen. So we don't want to tell people hey, do this thing and then on the call Friday something else gets decided: yeah, yeah.

D

Perfect yeah that works for me, and this would be a good start to like practice, having an ongoing conversation with the ego system. Participants who need to upgrade because I think.

D

I was gonna, say: oh because now we'll have it ongoing conversation. So then we can reach out and say: hey. Do you want to be added to a future newsletter, or that like does this automatically when hard Forks happen and stuff like that? So we could do something like that: I think that would be valuable.

F

You know I think that that is going to be a good beginning. We.

C

Can continue making relationship and then maybe in for teachers, hard work, it would be much easier for us to communicate in that way.

D

That's it I think we can move to the next thing.

D

D

Oh I think you're muted Tim if you're talking. Oh sorry,.

A

I thought someone else was talking: my internet was was having issues open.

D

Up we're all good. We go to the next agenda. Okay,.

A

Cool yeah, the next one was EEP improvement process. I think this was also you Hudson. Yes,.

D

So we a few people from aetherium foundation, The Magicians and the cat, herders and other independent people have looked into or have approached me saying: hey.

D

What can we do to help the etherium improvement proposals process and so I made it eeew IP etherium improvement proposal improvement process, so we need to start having and I was gonna do meetings last week, but I talked to puja and a few other people, and basically it was better for us to start planning it on this call and get the best started coordination before we just jump into a call.

D

So what thoughts do people have not on improving it, because we'll talk about that in the call, but on the best way to coordinate people in the ecosystem to improve it? Would it just I think we can do something as simple as a telegram chatting a call or a get or chatting a call.

G

What what are the target audience of people that you want to contact pretty much? Anyone who submitted and even though in the past and has an experience to share, or some people in the industry who are hesitant to submit one or what are the depository audience here? Good.

D

Question I think it is people who want to help improve the process, not people who have submitted heaps before so, for instance, who I think Annette? Did you reach out about this to or I'm very.

E

Interested in and being very involved with that just.

D

Yeah, so it's basically the outcomes that I want are the outcomes that I want are like us, making a pull request that says: here's an update to EIP 1e, I p1 you know, has these rules and we want these new rules or to delete old rules and then another end result would be. These are the qualifications to be an EIP editor, and then we send out a request for people who want to be editors.

D

It sounds great yeah, okay, yeah, so I'm talk to Annette I've talked to pooja about it. So there's I mean I'd, say there's about five to ten people who are interested and probably more will join the call to like give their opinion and stuff and I'll try to get as many EIP editors as I can into that call.

D

So I'll do the scheduling for that it'll probably be probably around a time like this or maybe a couple hours later, similar to how the all core devs call goes about and.

D

Or the timing for like the hawk or Deb's call or a little later and then I think that'll be good. It'll, be probably not on a Friday it'll, be something like in the middle of the week, starting after Thanksgiving week in the US, so that the next week or the week after yeah.

B

D

You do add me as well: yeah um send me an email Hudson at aetherium org. If you want to get added cuz I'm, keeping up with it through those emails.

G

D

And then that's it for that one. Unless anyone has the comments or questions.

E

Yeah I had a question on last. Our last meeting I took on or volunteered to try and help to clean up some of the old e IPs, and so I've been looking at some of those there's like hundreds of them in the draft mode and I'm, assuming those are the ones we want anyway. I just wanted to briefly communicate my thinking and and and what I think could be done to hit what I could do to help and just want to make sure I'm on the right track.

E

But but it looks like those like, for example, there's a ip3, and that looks like it's fairly old and it looks like it's just sitting out there, but I was thinking of reaching out to the author of that who's. I can't remember who that is off the top of my head, but but anyway, I was thinking. I found his email I was gonna, send him an email saying I'm with the cat herders we're working of cleaning these up, then I would just basically ask them.

E

Is there anything the cat herders could do to help either do something with this and and and and and my thinking was we either want to abandon it or or push it forward, and do one of those team things and ask what the author wants to do with that and push but anyway. That is that something is that the right thing that I could do to help with that process. That.

D

Is absolutely a great idea during the call the EIP improvement proposal improvement process call you should definitely bring that up as an idea. Cuz I want to I want to try to remember that. Okay.

G

Yeah that actually brings up a really important topic about potentially introducing some sort of archival process after like nine months or something where they put.

H

G

Archive section, and then they can be brought back if the IP editor has any need or want to do so, but having that archive section would really clean up the process. So that's something we should talk about. Yeah.

D

Like an archive status, that'd be cool yeah.

E

D

Awesome anybody else.

D

Okay, we can go to the next one. The.

G

Next topic is actually about converting our dye to multi collateral guy and potentially putting into a savings that process to earn interest on that dye and have some cuts of income there, and there are a few different options.

G

However, in terms of the migration contract, there's no liquidity within the actual migration contour did the current time, but there is the quiddity on the open market and say we could simply swap it or we can wait till the contract is more sign it I guess today we can simply talk about the idea of putting in a savings project such as the dye saving is great or Dharma or compound, or anything like that. So is wondering if anyone had any true Athene's, honest.

D

My only thing would be: let's not put all of it in let's put a percentage and that's my only opinion, I don't even know the percentage right now. If.

G

The percentage in the dye savings rate is 2%, however, there are no liquidity constraints, so you can take it at any point: it's not a custody solution, so there is no real harm in having a good amount of I. Don't know because you can take it out within the same block time very much, but the other solutions do you have custody where it's a 30 days, lockup or until the it's repaid and things.

A

So what risk I'm personally pretty concerned about this, just like smart contract bugs so like if we need to move or die to another smart contract that sort of owns it. While it's earning interest rates, you know the you know it seems like we give it like the additional complexity. We you probably don't want to move like Oliver died there. We probably want to keep just some like I, guess, normal, vanilla, dye and I'm, not too sure what the right percentage is.

A

But to me it's like say we can earn 2% on our die, which is like 200 bucks a year on $10,000.

A

It seems fairly low compared to like, even though there's a low probability of having a smart contract bug and then our die is locked. So that's just my only concern yeah.

G

That's definitely very concerning I'm I'm, a little biased because I've been a part of the process of reading that, and there are husband, many audits and formal verification done, but agreed that creating a certain percentage of it and allowing to sit there. It's probably the best idea and I think it should further discuss the potential difference time in order to move to this agenda. Unless anyone has any other comments on this on a any day on the job.

E

Yeah I was just basically wondering if, in any of the other places that paid higher rate, if any of those were worth the risk or do they have risk. But I was just trying to be more educated about that.

G

I'd say overall, they all pretty much have similar risks, especially with the smart contract side, but the custody one I mean probably has a little more risk because they could always just run away with your money. I mean I, think that's gonna happen, but possibility is there so I think it's just it's all pretty equal I'd say.

A

Thanks yeah, maybe it makes sense for you, Charles cuz. You have a lot of context on this to kind of write up a proposal with maybe a couple alternatives that, like you know whether, like the the rewards and and risk to some extent, I feel you know you probably have the best view there. Yeah yeah yeah.

G

But primarily we'd have to also convert the single cuddled I called side to die at some point in the future, I mean there's no timeline for when the single die system is gonna, stop, but the sooner the conversion, the more it can be used in the die savings rate or any other service like that, so already proposed. Eliminating that as well cool.

E

Is there any reason why we just shouldn't move everything to die as soon as possible? Is there any reason we shouldn't right? Yeah seems like to me: we should just always move everything to.

F

E

So so whoever can't do that if they could take an action item, it's like keep up on that yeah.

G

Oh dr. faceless on what needs to be done and then we can review it and then we can all agree on it and push for that.

A

Sounds good and I'm happy to help with, like just moving to this side to die, like that seems pretty non-controversial.

A

Okay. Next agenda item is disgusting clothes the e CH github issue: PRS? Are there any specific things we want to discuss or clothes.

C

This has been added here as a future. You know gen item, even if we need to keep track of the eche issues Peters, believing that we would be the point of contact for new people, learning any theory, immunity and, as of now, I have seen that a lot of the issues have been cleaned up. Thanks to you, Tim I believe that you have reached out to so many people there. So it's it's clean, but I see that funding.

C

Ph issues are still open. That's like a long open issues. Are there. Some of you can take care of that and for now it looks all good other than the one which in which the forum got aetherium dot-org. Would we still want to keep it to pen or we can probably go ahead and close it? Because I read the comments and many people have suggested that it should be archived now you.

D

Can close it because the etherium foundation is working on that.

C

Okay, so go ahead and close that and there's taking in DX tau is still open because we haven't received our phone back once that is done. We will get that and other than that there are a couple of more. If you guys can have just a quick look. Just like VIP 689 I mean I, don't know how much relevant it is now because we have moved ahead with the EAP selected for this Turnbull heartful, the uncle rate and the other impact on Jake from JIT.

C

So do we say need to keep it open or we can go ahead and close that.

D

I'm trying to look at it later or yeah, I'm.

C

Sharing that link so that you guys can have a look later and if you feel like we can go ahead and close that we'll go ahead and do that. My idea is just to keep this forum as clean as possible so that as soon as we get any new issues, we can quickly go and have a look at it and try to have the best possible way. We can nice.

A

Cool next agenda was documentation of the ACH process.

C

On that, I have shared a certain links below that has already been documented. If anybody thinks that there are some other things, these are basic chance that we are doing as of now. We do not have much of the responsibilities that we have received, but whatever we did, we I have listed them all.

C

If anybody thinks that we need documentation on some other process, please do let me know, or anybody else in the group, and we will try to put up a document on that, mentioning how we do that and what is the process of everything.

C

A

Ok, removing people from the private chats were inactive and adding James Hancock because he's the Hartford coordinator, yeah.

D

I put that I think it's a good idea not for privacy reasons, necessarily because we rarely put something that controversial, but just to keep it clean and make it so that, because we've had this like kind of semi private chat, it's a private chat for a while and I want to add new people from the community without it getting to like it. Looking like there's a ton of people in there, so yeah I think that's a I think it's a good idea to have that cleaned up, but I can go in and make a proposal.

D

So we can see who's been active or not or I'll put an opinion, like my own opinion on who's, been active and who hasn't, which it'd be really really conservative, meaning or maybe liberal I, don't know which way to put it. But you, as long as you've, been active in like the last three to six months. You can stay in there, but if it's been more than that, then you should probably not be in there kind of a thing. I.

C

Don't know I do sense. The idea that we should keep and keep that channel for people who are actively active in that so I mean we can decide on here or maybe, if you would want to take a vote, we can go by aragón, voting, something we can go back on voting but I'm fine with the idea great.

D

I'll put it as a to-do item for myself, one.

E

Possibility is just ask people if they mind since they're not being active if we remove them and if they don't object. There's no problem in that yeah.

D

That's an easy way to do it, but we first need a list of who's, probably inactive. So I can do that part.

D

um That's it for me: oh actually, sorry Adam James. What do you all think about in James, cuz I think we talked about hard fork so much. He would be a great addition to join the calls and give his perspective as well as a few other things like that. Yeah.

A

I think it's a really good idea.

C

James were not formally on both, but yes, I think it's a very good idea. Excellent.

D

I'll talk to them about that and that's it for me.

A

Cool discussing the pr2 theorem dorg, I think this was william he's not on the car, unfortunately, but he shared the pr on their internal killer chats. So people could have a look there.

C

I believe chance can update. Oh nice.

A

G

I'm gonna be there, so basically, the etherium team has been working on a community page, and the idea here is to incorporate the get involved age that will impose into the community page and have it as one page for the time being where we mention the cat barriers and getting involved and in support desk and there's a document. I want to share that highlights this and they wanted all of our feedback on that. Let me just grab the legs.

G

So the length I'm pasting in a chat here is what the page would look like, feel free to comment or providing feedback. This way, it's gonna be one page that involves getting involved in the community and if anyone has any opinions on that feel free to share now and I'll, pass it back to Sam or send them the notes for the meeting I.

C

Have a question here, chancellor, so this community page that we are talking about. Is it also going to address our primary agenda item that we should be mentioning ECHL? As the you know, planning page for people so that we can reach out to them? We can provide the help that they need if they are coming from any other background or including the technical and non-technical people plus technical people. Is it going to address that as well.

G

Yeah so I I guess anyone here. It was like free to propose what we want in our description of the current gathers on this page and how to get involved and what we do yeah.

G

So if we just had a comment on the page there or describe you here at service in the Nerds, but I did reiterate multiple times that we do want to subscribe desk and to kind of middle person between the core devs in the community and getting people involved. Who are non-technical as well, so that they are aware of that, but reiterating it on. The document will be great as well.

G

C

I think it would make much more sense that if it is actually being listed somewhere and then we can formally announce it and I see value of the support desk, so I mean that's. My personal opinion is anywhere.

G

G

Only that was the update for that just yeah, just to reiterate, share your feedback and comments on the document and we can list the process from there.

A

A

The next item is ACH website updates. Does anyone have a nothing there? I.

C

Have added this agenda item believing that now we are moving towards Berlin, upgrade and and difficulty BOM and other things that I was just thinking that and that should be mentioned on each website, providing then the right direction.

C

We have updated it last when we have started with diced and bull. So if we can probably update that with the finalized, D IPs and the IPS that are being talked for Berlin, so my idea here was to keep it updated. Anybody who is looking after the e CH update website, update I, believe Hugo was there so I, don't see him here, but anybody else running the team can take care of this.

C

um One more thing I want to mention over here. Like the other time we were discussing that we should be allocating some kind of funding for other jobs as well. So if this can be one of the tasks that we can decide that this needs a regular update and we can probably probably allocate some funding for this activity, I think that would be willing to hear everybody's opening over here to I. Think.

A

It's a good idea, I think, like I, don't know, what's like the right amount and and what's like the amount of work involved, but yeah I agree that if someone is spending like a significant amount of time, just trying to keep the website up to date, even if it's just like a periodic thing like once every couple months, when there's an upgrade, we can put a bounty that seems reasonable to me.

A

C

I think we can do that and like a minimal amount, just just redo it first, um you know meeting notes or something we can agree on. Some certain amount not right away, but we can keep it in our next agenda item and think about it. Come back and think about it. How much hours are required here and then we can probably come up with an amount that we all agree. I think that would be great because in ezh most of the people are working voluntarily. It's it's good to reward to reward them. A little bit.

C

I mean my if we do not give them the actual time to money kind of thing, but at least some amount should be going on there.

C

And that's it from my anomalous topic: we can move on.

A

Ok um next topic is the outstanding action items. So first one was community initiatives. Brainstorming update. Does anyone have an update there I feel like Annette's update, was kind of related to that I.

D

Think Annette's update covered that unless someone else put that on the agenda.

A

Okay, next one confirm all funding accounting. Multi-Site tasks are completed, I think the only one that's left is like the whole migration from side to die. Does anyone else know of any other outstanding tasks at.

C

The funding accounting part of the payments for the previous notes called strengthening their okay.

A

So we still need and what's missing, for the payments, it's us sending the money. I think.

C

Those seems to be pretty old. Coins like from coming back from June is.

A

There a list somewhere.

C

D

Thought we handled those the ones from June. Oh no,.

C

It's still open, oh.

D

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C

D

Okay, I thought you meant the awkward.

C

You you can move on and I'll share the link in the chat here.

D

The only other man is the Prague pal one, but that's a whole separate topic. I'll get to.

A

Okay, so set up the etherium cat herders community bounty on get coin, Hudson I'd said I know I sent you like a draft for that. Do you have an update on the yes.

D

It has been updated, they fix the systems that allowed me to edit it. So it's.

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D

To go, I I removed all free as one of the people who had admin access to that and I need to add I think I need to add. Whoever else is on the multi-sig is probably the best people to add his admin on that. So I'll look and see who we're missing or actually I wait if you're missing. Just let me know, I think it might just it's.

A

Me and Charles: okay.

D

Simon Charles, okay, I'll put that I need to add Jones. Maybe but I forgot afresh on this I.

C

Think it's lean. You had insurance, okay,.

A

Okay, so I guess yeah. So this is great. We have the bounty there we can. We can. We can point people towards that. Nice. Yes,.

I

A

Yeah so Prague pal community update is kind of related to this Hudson. You want to give you update there yeah.

D

So for the prog-rock community update, we have refunded everybody who contributed to the get coin, except for Atlantic crypto who donated their funds to helping everyone else. Get refunded and I think the rest went to us if I recall, if that, like the very small amount afterwards, if I remember correctly and then a theorem Foundation donated to us bit, fly is going to be distributing there's through get coin, including us as my understanding so but that's early like they can decide whatever they want to do but like that was the indications that I received.

D

The only thing we need to do is send the refund to bit fly and I have their address. So we just need to make a multi-sig for that and send it off great.

A

If you want to generate the transaction, Hudson I'm happy to approve it once it's a once, it's in the multi stage, okay,.

D

I'll put that as a to do for me, cool and.

A

Yeah I, just shared in the chat I put together a blog post for the caterpillars to announce this.

D

Yes, we want to announce it after we send the funds to bet fly yeah after we get approval from that fly on the wording in the article I can give approval for the EF side of the wording, but I we can't I, don't want to put anything in the article that that fly would be uncomfortable with yep.

A

That sounds good.

A

Cool anything else on on the audit refund. Oh.

D

That's it pretty much yeah. That's it.

A

Okay, next agenda item was mine, finalized the draft for the HCC workshop, so I put together a proposal. I think a lot of people have like left comments on it. I can share it again here I'm planning to submit this like by the end of today. Probably so, if if people can have a look really quickly, that would be great and the biggest question I had is like I think we should, instead of like listing everybody there as a speaker, we should probably just miss like the cat herders.

A

You know not have like Tim and Helena and Hudson and whatnot, but just say this is like it workshop by the cat, herders and I. Think that will kind of help. I don't know, just create a better brand image for the cat, herders and, and otherwise people will just see like for random people and and and yeah I'm curious. What y'all think.

D

About that I think that's a good idea. I would say, though, that when submitting you can put that as a little like one sentence comment and the application or you can submit it, how it is with the first and last names of the three main people and then who we know are going to be at ECC and then um I was gonna, say Oh and then, after its submitted, if it's it gets accepted, then you can email them and say hey. Can we change the name.

A

D

Cap in general, that's.

A

A good idea, yeah and I was thinking actually of leaving just people's emails. So this way they can interact with us. You know over those set of emails, but yeah yeah I can I can I can change it to the caterpillars I'll put in terms of like the LinkedIn and the the picture and the organization I'll update, all those for catheters, though so we don't have like for pictures and for company yeah.

H

A

Okay, any other comments.

A

A

Annette, can we collaborate chat with Kath herders, so we want to do a workshop about like just an introduction to the cat herders get the community's feedback and and try to actually recruit more people and into what they think the cat herders should be doing.

A

Yeah does that make sense in it.

B

Yes, thank you.

A

And I lost the agenda page because I clicked on a link, give me a sec. I won't be right back and I think there was only one agenda. Item left review, community call transcripts for for ak4 for actual items and open issues.

A

Does it all have it up till that this.

C

Is coming back from the discussion that we had initially with the if member about? If there is any action item on the last call decided on a CD, and we should take it over here and take care of it. But we did not I mean I. Do not remember, recall any any action on other than just reaching out to the community about a update, so I think that should be fine like we just agreed that we will be reaching out, we will start reaching out to the community.

C

So that was the only action item and we have discussed on. It sounds.

A

J

Hello, Kate, hey yeah I have a proposal which can be an interest of the marketing dollar and you know, like we have been talking around for raising the funding for years and and I. Think I'd I like to the course can yeah huge self over to it like we see that get going, grants are already present, but tasks.

J

E

And I'm having trouble hearing you, could you move closer to the my course or something oh yeah.

J

Am I audible no.

D

Yes, that's better.

J

So yeah so I think right now is like any of the whole point is quite like it is depending on quick point at a level but D Phi is going bullish in the market and, like I, think etherium will have his own identity in the crypto market. Also, and one other mean like essentially part of it is the program will interest and there are idle hard I like protocols which have been working for one month or so, and I think we can have a architecture similar to get find grants.

J

It says the change would be that, instead of asking users to pay from their own pocket, you will ask them to this. Redistribute the splitted interest into few other projects in one point, and this whole process can be governed by town right yeah. So I wanted you guys like if anyone is of law briefs in any kind of.

D

Let me see if I understand the idea. Just so I can repeat it back. Is the idea to using the interest of the die that we put into these interest, bearing financial instruments be used in a Dow to distribute to other projects who need it? Yeah.

J

Consists of the so what are they does is? Are they asks uses a deposit of menina and and the interest generally being accrued, and we split it and to redirect it to the addresses they want and we can use the same thing like we can well. The same thing exists.

J

Users can redistribute that split it interest into the protocols into the projects they wanna continue to. So it will be night telling users that you can just deposit your money or like something like that. I'm still like idly on the protocol engineering part, but that's the whole idea, so it can basically address the larger ecosystem. Like maybe we see that on projects on get point grants there are only two hundred twenty two percent, but if we build this kind of thing there can be much many quality personal.

C

Such an if this is something relating to marketing Dow I can probably invite you to the telegram group offline from this. A off marketing, Dow I, think that would be a better idea to propose your proposal over there, because people over there would be working on market now and I. Think that would be the right platform for you to share this idea.

J

A

Everyone wants to share.

A

Okay, then yeah we're two minutes before so I guess we can wrap it up thanks. Everybody thanks everyone, Thanks.

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B

You guys for inviting me.