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A
What's
up
everyone,
this
is
a
call
from
ICO
alert.
This
past
week,
I
had
the
chance
to
catch
up
with
Valen.
They
are
the
most
recent
project
to
receive
investment
from
block
ones,
massive
one
billion
dollar
es
VC
fund.
The
intention
of
the
es
VC
fund
is
to
grow,
develop
and
support
the
EOS
IO
ecosystem
through
venture
capital,
investments,
partnerships
and
mentorship
activities
targeting
game-changing
blockchain
based
products
and
entrepreneurs
across
the
globe.
A
The
fund
is
supported
in
deployed
through
partnerships
with
established
venture
capital
teams
such
as
galaxy
digital,
led
by
Mike
Novogratz
tomorrow,
BC,
which
has
ties
to
former
Google
CEO
Eric
Schmidt,
svk
crypto.
What's
up
Shane,
gos
global
and
in
this
particular
case,
Finn
lab
AG.
The
project's
being
supported
through
es
VC,
have
all
been
vetted
and
have
passed
due
diligence
requirements
to
ensure
they
are
equipped
with
the
skills
and
industry
connections
to
lead
the
way
in
shaping
the
next
generation
of
technology
and
the
internet.
A
I
got
the
chance
to
sit
down
with
the
Velen
team
to
discuss
who
they
are,
what
they're
building,
why
they
chose
us
and
how
others
can
get
in
touch
with
es
BC,
based
on
their
own
personal
experiences.
If
you'd
like
to
learn
more
or
get
in
touch
with
VAE
on,
you
can
find
their
links
in
the
description
below.
Please
do
not
take
any
part
of
this
episode
as
legal
tax,
investment
or
financial
advice.
Neither
myself
nor
I
co
ler
called
any
stay
convey
on
Oren
staff
o.
A
However,
we
do
both
own
Neos
tokens
and
as
a
matter
of
disclosure.
This
is
not
a
sponsored
podcast.
However,
travel
and
accommodations
were
provided
by
the
V
on
team
as
part
of
my
participation
in
their
block
Tober
fest
conference.
I.
Hope
you
guys
liked
this
episode.
So
let
me
know
what
you
think
in
the
comments
below
and
don't
worry.
I'll
still
be,
putting
out
an
episode,
this
Friday
with
Rob
Finch,
where
we'll
recap,
the
latest
news
and
announcements
around
AOS
I/o.
A
Welcome
to
everything
years,
I'm
here
today
in
Munich
Germany,
with
andreas
and
Pedro
from
vey
on
for
those
who
missed
the
news
last
week,
Valen
is
the
latest
project
to
be
funded
by
the
eos
bc
fund
and
the
first
project
to
be
funded
by
fin
lab
on
dress.
Why
don't
you
tell
me
about
your
background
and
how
you
got
into
crypto
yeah.
B
I'm
a
dress,
McCleskey
I'm,
the
CEO
of
them
I,
have
a
background
in
computer
science,
studied
computer
science
here
in
Germany
and
worked
in
the
software
industry
for
around
10
years
now,
I
started
in
the
blockchain
space
around
three
years
ago.
Just
got
fast
fascinated
by
Bitcoin
and
yeah
later
I
dug
more
and
more
into
all.
This
stuff
got
interested
in
other
projects.
B
A
C
A
River,
Avenue
and
I
think
everyone
has
that
story
about
the
crypto
rabbit
hole,
so
I
get
a
chance
to
hang
out
these
guys
over
the
weekend.
The
reason
I'm
here
in
Munich
is
because
they
invited
me
to
a
conference.
They
held
this
past
Friday.
They
call
it
a
block
to
a
professor.
You
guys
want
to
kind
of
talk
about
like
what
about
the
event
and
what
it
was
and
who
was
there
yeah.
B
We
invited
like
3040,
hand-picked
people
that
were
like
from
the
industry
from
different
blockchain
projects.
From
like
influencers,
you
guys,
Ivano
Tech
was
here
yeah
and
we
just
wanted
to
have
it
like
a
small
networking
event.
We
also
had
like
a
public
event
like
two
months
ago,
where
we
had
like
more
people,
obviously
publicly,
but
so.
A
B
C
Also
important
for
us
just
to
jump
in
there.
It's
also
important
for
us
to
like
bring
value
to
the
community
so,
for
instance,
in
the
area
that
we
are
located,
which
is
Heidelberg
we're
starting
to
create
like
this
meetup
lasondra
said
we
organized
one
like
two
months
ago,
and
we
really
want
to
do
that
because
there's
no
so
much
activity
in
the
in
the
rate
in
the
region.
So
that's
why
we
also
know
that
we
did
here
in
Munich.
We
actually
want
to
kind
of
bring
to
the.
B
B
So
what
we
want
to
do
is
basically
a
user
can
bring
his
digital
identity,
which
is
stored
to
centrally
partially
on
the
EOS
blockchain,
but
mostly
on
a
decentralized
source
solution
like
ipfs,
and
he
can
just
bring
his
data
set
to
any
application
that
he
wants
you.
So
there
are
three
main
propositions
that
we
have
for
the
user.
Its
first
is
data
privacy,
so
only
he
is
in
charge
and
in
control
of
his
data.
B
You
can
monetize
this
data
on
the
open,
free
marketplace,
which
is
not
existent
so
far,
and
third,
one
is
that
he
has
the
possibility
to
decide
which
application
he
has
to
use
without
losing
years
of
history
that
he's
built
up
on
Facebook,
LinkedIn,
whatever
social
network
or
any
application
that
he's
using
nowadays-
and
it's
also
like,
if
you
put
some
data
in
in
one
application,
it
changes
automatically
in
the
other
application,
because
it's
it's
like
a
single
source
of
truth
and
you
bring
your
data
wherever
you
want.
It's
really
cool
I
think.
A
B
I
think
that's
that's
actually
a
really
important
thing
to
do,
because
if
you
look
at
the
Internet,
it's
like
it's
consisted
of
seven
layers
that
abstract
different
things
until
the
nth
user
gets
his
finished
product,
which
is
like
just
usable
as
we
know
nowadays
like
mom
and
dad
can
use
it.
And
my
perspective
is
that
right
now
people
are
always
asking
for
dabs
and
they
are
asking
like.
Oh
I,
don't
have
these
tabs
like
why
don't
they
have
more
users
and
but
I
think
the
technological
framework
is
not
just
ready
yet
and
I
think
there.
B
There
should
be
several
layers
that
are
controlling
this
decentralized
economy
that
web
3.0.
Basically,
and
for
that
reason
we
focus
on
especially
this
one
thing
that
we
want
to
do
right
and
we're
like
a
thin
layer
which,
like
everyone,
should
use,
and
we
are
not
like
enforcing
some
stuff
centrally
or
something
it's
just
like
yeah.
It's
interconnecting.
A
B
C
Will
be
available
in
the
web
site
very
very
soon.
So
that's
why
now
people
will
be
able
to
actually
see
what
we
our
value
proposition
is
and
what
we
are
offering
to
the
user,
because
not
important
to
note
is
that
we
are
also
trying
to
bring
value
not
only
to
the
user,
but
also
like
there's
problems
across
the
board,
where
it
is
like,
if
you're
an
application
like
or
if
you're
a
business
was
trying
to
find
data.
So
like
we
are
trying
to
bring
this
transparency
to
the
market.
C
A
D
A
When
you
guys
said
something
that
was
interesting
about
GDP
are
and
in
Europe
how
a
lot
of
these
companies
aren't
even
monetizing
user
data
like
they
do
in
the
US.
So
as
far
as
like
I
thought,
that
was
interesting
because
it
gives
you
a
nice
on-ramp
to
user
adoption
from
the
businesses
yeah,
because
in
the
US
data
is
gold.
So
it's
gonna
be
really
hard
for
them
to
take
away
the
power
of
them
controlling
the
data,
whereas
to
onboard
a
business
in
Europe,
they're,
not
I
mean
money
on
the
data.
It's.
B
Quite
similar,
probably
in
the
u.s.
to
for
smaller
companies,
because,
like
the
ones
that
are
actually
able
to
monetize,
the
data
are
like
the
big
giants:
Facebook,
Google,
etc.
But
in
fact
that's
also
what
we
say.
We
don't
only
have
two
three
value
propositions
to
the
users,
but
we
also
have
enough
value
propositions
to
the
businesses.
So
we
want
to
onboard
to
businesses,
we
don't
want
to
disrupt
them
or
whatever,
like
we
actually
have
a
tight
eye
on
building
sustainable
business
models
or
not
building
them,
but
giving
them
a
perspective
of
sustainable
business
models.
B
So
the
thing
is
small
companies:
they
don't
have
the
user
base
at
all,
but
like
so
they
they
struggle
to
innovate
with
their
business
ideas,
but
like
the
midsize
and
big
companies,
and
that's
probably
what
you
were
referring
to
so
we're
in
talks
with
several
big
companies
in
Germany
and
they
struggled
to
monetize
the
data.
Because,
if
you
don't
have
the
holistic
profiles,
you
you're
not
really
able
to
monetize
it,
because
data
is
only
worth
more
if
it's
interconnected,
because
so.
B
C
The
more
businesses
get
information
and
then
they
can
build
value
propositions,
but
to
your
question,
I
think
it's
important
to
say,
like
us,
Andrea's
mentioned
we're
talking
with
different
with
different
potential
partners
and
like
a
common
question
that
we
receive
is
like
or
like
not
only
when
we
talk
to
them,
but
we
represent
the
practice
like
these
guys
hold
the
data,
and
why
would
they?
Why
would
they
go
through
this
route
like
something
like
Velen
and,
as
you
said
like
here
in
Europe?
C
A
Feel
like
GDP
are
just
overcomplicated,
something
that
could
be
completely
like
revolutionized
with
blockchain,
like
blockchain,
can
solve
the
problem
that
GDP
I
was
trying
to
solve,
but
in
a
much
better,
more
efficient
way,
definitely
yeah,
so
how
the
project
gets
started
and
where
the
idea
come
from.
Yeah.
B
A
B
They
have
like
over
a
thousand
business
business
customers
and
several
million
user
profiles
that
they
want
to
bring
to
the
protocol
that
so
that's
basically
the
first
use
case.
So
how
all
of
this
happened
is
I
talk
to
and
stuff
alot
and
they
wanted
to
do
an
ICO
within
staefel,
but
the
thing
is
to
be
really
decentralized,
independent
or
actually
used
to
properties
of
blockchain.
You,
you
have
to
open
the
system.
You
have
to
be
independent,
so
everyone
can
participate.
B
There
is
no
entity
that
is
like
has
special
rights
or
something
and
that's
what
I
explained
them
extensively
until
we
basically
said
okay
I
mean
we
want
to
do.
Is
we
want
to
be
a
first
mover
in
the
space
we
want
to
bring
our
customers?
We
want
to
bring
our
users
to
such
an
economy
like
the
web,
3d
kana
me,
and
how
can
we
build
this?
How
what's?
What's
the
real
deal?
What's
actually
utilizing?
Blockchain.
A
B
C
Transition
was
natural
because
I'd
like
to
make
it
easier
for
for
the
audiences
and
stuff
of
what
they're
doing
is
they're,
basically
trying
to
also
remove
the
middleman,
so
they
have
a
platform
which
is
connecting
users
with
jobs
and
then,
like
they
just
post
a
Sunday.
They
can
connect
within
the
platform.
So
then
what
they
did.
The
initial
idea
is:
how
do
we
improve
this
system
that
they
already
had?
C
So
then
that's
when
they
got
and
say:
okay,
we
maybe
we
should
have
a
look
into
blockchain
and
that's
how
actually
the
whole
project
started
because
they
say
okay.
This
is
like
a
taken.
A
look
at
analogical
improvement
that
we
can
bring
to
our
to
our
value
proposition
to
our
business,
and
then
the
transition
went
from
there.
Okay,
the
process
the
product
then
can
be
extended
for
a
larger
use
case,
and
then
we
say:
okay,
we
should
not
keep
it
into
into
the
HR
area.
A
B
So
yeah,
can
you
just
play
mics
interesting
part,
because
in
fact
like
when
we
developed
the
protocol
or
I
have
like
several
ideas
about
how
you
can
manage
that
probably
I
wouldn't
have
started
by
myself,
but
in
staff?
Was
that
guys?
We
want
you
to
really
make
this
happen
and
we
want
to
bring
the
users
there
and
they
had
like
they
have
so
many
industry
connections.
That's
why
we
we're
in
talks
with
so
many
businesses
that
are
interested
right
now.
B
A
Thought
it
was
interesting,
I
think
you
explained
to
me
last
night,
so
valens
just
a
protocol
and
it
doesn't
really
need
to
make
money.
That's
not
the
monetization
strategy.
Long
term
yeah
and
in
staff
o
is
going
to
be
the
first
application
to
build
on
top
that
Club,
Bayon
and
that's
kind
of
the
business
strategy
is
in
staff.
O
is
going
to
build
a
business
model
in
enterprise
level,
business
model,
yes,
a
correct
statement,
yeah
sure
on
top
of
the
protocol
and
then
that'll
kind
of
be
a
proof
of
concept.
C
Their
goal
is
to
bring
more
people
to
actually
start
building,
not
only
on
our
protocol
but
also
building
on
yours,
and
that's
what
we're
doing
that
we're
creating
this
standards
so
that
more
people
can
build
stuff
and
it's
easier
to
actually
integrate
or
have
data
interpret
interoperability
within
these
these
different
applications,
and
for
that
that's,
we
believe,
there's
the
standard
needed
and
we
bring.
We
want
to
bring
more
people
to
start
building
on
these
echoes
of
it.
B
Like
that,
if
you
start
just
building
an
app
on
on
years,
for
example,
you
do
the
decentralized
Facebook
I
mean.
Probably
the
code
is
decentralized
everything,
but
at
some
point,
if
this
platform
is
dying
down
or
is
not
doing
what
you
want
to,
do
you
basically
it's
still
kind
of
centralized.
So
there's
like
a
lot
of
aspects
of
being
centralized,
it's
not
centralized
in
the
code,
but
it's
centralized
in
the
sense
that
you
can
not
move
away
from
it
without
like
leaving
everything
behind.
B
So
this
is
the
thing
if
you,
if
you
go
for
a
damp
already,
in
my
opinion,
it's
probably
too
early,
because
you
cannot
have
too
the
propositions
that
we
are
giving
and
also
what
other
projects
are
doing
is
like.
Oh,
we
will
build
blockchain,
basically
a
whole
blockchain
to
do
whatever
idea,
verification
or
like
there
are
competitors
around
there,
but
the
thing
is
with
that.
B
A
B
Definitely
yeah
I'm
also
an
advocate,
because
I
think
the
system
was
like
very
well
designed,
especially
in
the
on
the
scalability
front.
It
does,
in
my
opinion,
the
the
right
it
did,
the
right
choices
with
finding
compromise
between
scalability
and
having
the
block
producers
and
everything
and
I
think
it's
right
now.
The
best
scaling
platform
and
the
also
most
important
point
is
that
users
don't
have
to
pay.
For
instance,
transactions.
C
C
So
at
the
beginning,
we
were
like
okay,
we
consider
a
theorem
as
a
possibility-
and
we
also
say:
okay,
three
members
was
kind
of
ears
and
and
at
the
end,
we
we
believe
it's
very
much
like
very
good
use.
Cases
for
a
different
stuff,
but
like
Ferrari,
is
really
critical
that,
because
we
want
to
bring
adoption
of
really
big
companies
and
create
solutions,
and
for
us
it
was
important
to
have
like
a
high
speed
of
transactions
and
also
a
high
volume,
and
also
did
anything
that
you
build
on
there
and
could
be
like
you
know.
C
Everyone,
who's
building
is
new
stuff
and
in
there
gonna
be
mistakes,
and
we
want
to
be
able
to
amend
those
mistakes
fast,
obviously,
but
also
that
not
like.
Oh
okay.
Now
this
is
completely
locked
down
and
there's
no
way
going
back.
So
that
was
also
very
important
for
us,
because
we're
gonna
be
a
lot
of
trial
and
error.
In
the
beginning
till
we
find
unity,
I
mean.
B
A
B
Absolutely
was
awesome
to
see
like
how
many
people
are
building
on
ears
and,
what's
going
on
there,
and
especially
like
get
the
connections
to
block
one
directly.
So
we
are
in
contact
with
them
now
and
are
talking
about
like
how
we
can
align
like
our
strategy,
with
what
the
US
wants
and
like
one
envisions
with
with
what
they
are
doing.
A
I
find
that
important,
because
I
think
I've
seen
it
kind
of
there's
a
lot
of
different
development
teams
working
on
the
same
stuff.
And
it's
it's
fine,
if
they're
all
kind
of
doing
something
similar.
But
what
you
don't
really
want
to
do
is
be
building
something
that
maybe
block
one's
already
building.
So.
A
C
B
A
So
many
other
teams
building
two
apps
right
now
like
I,
can't
even
keep
track
of
them
and
they
are
all
going
to
be
able
to
you
incorporate
your
protocol
while
doing
their
own
thing.
Absolutely
that's
awesome!
So
the
Finn
lab
story,
not
a
lot
of
companies,
have
gotten
the
EOS
VC
stamp
of
approval.
As
far
as
I
know
ever
peed
eeeh,
they
got
a
full.
They
they're
not
doing
an
ICO
because
they
got
complete
funding
from
galaxy
digital.
What
was
it
30
million
or
so
high
fidelity?
A
They
got
some
funding
from
us
VC,
but
they
also
had
other
investments
coming
at
them.
So
they're
not
doing
a
public
sale.
You
guys
are
the
first
ICO
our
first
project,
doing
an
ICO
after
the
investment
round.
So
you
want
to
explain
like
how
you
got
in
touch
with
fin
lab.
First
of
all,
and
then
the
the
press
release
was
a
bit
confusing
to
me.
It
set
a
seven-figure
investment.
Are
you
able
to
kind
of
tell
us
the
exact
number.
B
Well,
were
you
a
little
uncertain
or
but
I
think
we're
allowed
to
say
it's
1.5
million
from
fin
lab
plus
we
had
likes
other
seed
capital
already
here
on
business
angels
and
also
in
staefel.
So
on
that
all
that
and
on
the
seed
capital,
we
are
well
funded
to
basically
build
up
the
project,
but
obviously
to
make
this
play
it
much
more
money,
it's
needed.
For
that
reason,
it's
like
yeah.
A
I
just
think,
there's
a
lot
of
confusion,
because
you
guys
your
community
is
still
small.
People
are
only
introduced
to
a
week
ago
and
I'm
kind
of
seeing
the
initial
reaction
and
telegram.
So
one
of
the
things
was
a
lot
of
people
asking
about
an
airdrop
man,
I.
Think
someone
misspoke
in
your
telegram,
Channel
yeah.
C
Think
the
thing
is
like
we
are,
as
you
mentioned,
we're
just
so
new
and
we're
trying
to
like
really
there's
a
lot
of
work
under
the
hood
and
now
I
mean
we
are
planning
to
do
an
airdrop.
The
only
thing
is
that
we
haven't
really
kind
of
defined
all
the
details
and
that's
what
like
was
communicated
like
a
with
just
nothing
was.
B
Know
the
the
thing
is
you
kind
of
have
to
decide
what
you're
currently
focusing
on
and
right
now
like
a
lot
of
stuff
is
happening
in
the
background,
and
it's
not
that
we're.
Just
like.
Oh
I'm,
a
developer
and
I
just
came
up
with
this
idea.
Wrote
a
white
paper
made
a
nice
homepage
and
now
it's
everything
is
working
I.
B
Never,
honestly,
I
never
would
have
thought
how
much
work
it
is
if
you
actually
connect
all
the
dots
from
the
legal
side
to
to
incorporate
the
company
to
make
everything
happen
with
the
partners
we're
in
so
many
talks
right
now,
I'm
like
traveling
for
the
last
six
weeks.
That's
also
one
of
the
point
why
the
white
paper
was
not
released
on
the
home
page
yet
because
we
want
to
do
it
right
and
it's
like
you
have
to
prioritize
what
what
you're
aiming
for
right
now.
C
That
I
would
like
to
say,
because
you
just
talked
about
very
briefly,
because
you
mentioned
I.
How
was
the
connection
with
with
the
EOS
VC
fund
and
and
I
would
just
say
for
any
of
you
guys
there
looking
to
find
funding
and
I
think
it's
it's
available
and
and
what
we
did
was
very
simple
I
mean
we
just
contact
them
and
we
pitch
our
idea
and
then
I
mean.
Obviously,
after
that
there
was
some
due
diligence
and
so
on.
But
I
would
say,
like
the
community
is
there
and
they
are
willing
to
support
that.
C
B
Think
one
of
the
selling
points
definitely
for
for
Phillip
was
that
we
have
business
backing
us,
which
already
has
customers
which
already
know
how
to
execute,
and
they
are
they
know,
and
they
know
how
they
want
to
structure
the
business,
the
centralized
platform
and
having
this
is
like
quite
important
for
us,
but
it's
also
complicating
a
lot
of
stuff.
Like
I
said
it's
like
so
much
work
in
the
background
to
actually
make
this
happen.
It's
not
just
like
a
garage
idea
and
I
know.
Hopefully,
I
get
funding
so.
A
I
think
I
want
to
quash
some
of
the
stuff
I
saw
in
the
telegram.
I
was
telling
you
guys
about
it
last
night,
we're
at
Oktoberfest
and
I'm
I
can't
I
can't
not
read
about
II,
know
I'm
not
like
in
the
telegram
I'm
like
look
what
this
guy's
saying.
So
the
community
kind
of
Evera
pedia
kind
of
set
the
bar
really
high
because
they
were
completely
funded,
so
they
were
able
to
give
it.
A
D
A
You're
trying
to
raise
the
same
money
to
do
the
same
type
of
stuff
and
that
that's
the
reason
for
the
ICO
and
then
there
was
some
confusion
because
of
the
airdrop
question
being
answered,
I
kind
of
got
spread
around,
so
you
guys
doing
like
a
dual
model,
which
I
think
lumiose
is
doing
something
similar,
but
they're
not
es
vc-backed.
Yet
at
least
I
don't
know
if
that
that's
in
the
cards.
A
So
let's
talk
about
the
ICO
model,
then
because
there
haven't
been
any
successful,
raises
nice
on
an
ICO
yet
on
a
OS.
But
what
we
saw
last
year
with
aetherium
was
the
the
more
the
I
SEOs
grew
and
let's
kind
of
agree
that
it
got
out
of
hand
last
year,
but
even
in
the
early
stages,
the
the
value
of
the
etherium
token
went
up
because
you
had
all
of
these
different
projects
receiving
funding
and
that
funding
is
meant
to
last
5
10
10
years
to
have
developed
the
development
roadmap.
So
it
so.
A
A
Whatever,
but
a
lot
of
it
was
coming
out
of
the
float
because
the
I
SEOs
were
holding
it.
Unfortunately,
a
lot
of
the
ICS
that
raised
the
January
February
March
that
were
holding
it.
They
they
kind
of
got
hurt
a
little
bit,
but
the
good
thing
for
you
guys
is
vos
is
cheap
right
now,
so,
along
the
term,
it's
got
a
lot
of
upward
potential,
but
what
I
see
happening
is
is
more
of
these
projects
that
you
guys
have
the
seed
funding.
A
You
guys
have
some
stuff
ready
built
out
before
the
ICL
you're,
proving
your
concept,
but
what's
your
so
you're
gonna
you're
gonna
raise
the
CIO's
and
then
how?
What
are
you
gonna
do
with
the
eos
after
the
sale,
because
you
have
Fiat
capital
yeah.
It's
like
give
you
a
lot
of
runway.
So
whenever
you
receive
the
ears
the
ears,
it's
a
fun,
you
guys
long-term.
You
know.
D
C
I
think
there
are
a
couple
of
things
to
your
question,
so
the
first
thing
is
like
we're
very
excited
of.
What's,
obviously,
we
need
to
take
out
some
of
the
money
for
risk
management,
but
we
really
excited
apart
being
part
of
the
community
and
actually
like,
like
using
these
years
to
do
to
boat
and
then
to
promote,
like
the
good
actors
in
the
ecosystem
and
also
like
participate
in
the
referendum.
This
is
something
that
we
also
want
to
bring
value
to
the
to
the
ecosystem
and
also
what
is
important
for
us
is
also.
C
We
want
to
champion
this
idea
of
the
ICO
because,
as
you
mentioned,
did
that
brought
value
to
the
eth
ecosystem
and
we
believe
that,
obviously
it
got
a
bit
out
of
hands,
but
we
believe
that
this
is
a
way
that
the
youth
community
can
also
get
value,
because
products
can
build
on
here,
but
also
they
can
raise
funds.
And,
as
you
said
like
we,
we
got
an
initial
funding
and
then
that
that
was
just
like
the
seed
capital
that
then
we'll
that's.
Why
we're
making
the
ICO
to
get
all
there?
C
The
rest
as
compared
to
France,
as
you
said,
like
European,
they
got
all
your
money,
but
now
we're
doing
the
ICO
to
get
all
the
other
part.
But
we
want
to
beat
those
guys
who
are
champing
not
only
the
ICO
model,
but
also
chopping
that
trying
to
be
bring
more
businesses
to
actual
like
real
businesses
into
into
us
and
be
there
in
their
consistence.
So.
A
That's
kind
of
what
has
me
excited
about
Nico
model
Anya's
compared
to
aetherium,
because
last
year,
and
still
currently
these
projects,
they
still
hold
a
lot
of
aetherium,
but
it
does
nothing
for
the
network.
So
one
of
the
other
things
with
us
tokens
are,
they
have
actual
utility,
whereas
holding
and
token
it
isn't
giving
any
control
of
the
network.
A
Hash
power
is
the
only
thing
that
has
control
and
a
proof-of-work
network
hold
holding
the
currency
doesn't
matter,
but
in
AOS
it's
with
a
deep
assist
amande
all
the
voting
and
staking,
and
you
could
delegate
that
you
guys
are
gonna-
have
all
of
this.
Oh,
so
right
now
there
is
a
major
whale
problem,
a
handful
of
wallets
control,
a
lot
of
a
lot
of
the
voting.
A
So
if
you
look
at
the
voting
numbers
for
block
producers,
for
example,
there's
probably
about
twenty
to
thirty
wallets
that
just
have
a
lot
of
tokens
and
if
they
choose
to
vote
for
one
block
producer
over
another,
it
can
move
them
several
spots
in
the
rankings
and
it
basically,
it's
not
good
for
a
deep
loss
system
to
have
30
wallets
that
control.
A
lot
of
the
network,
this.
C
Also
brings
accountability,
I
think
that's
really
valuable
and
also
aligns
incentives,
because
now
I
think
that's
why
we
also
think
the
ICO
model
makes
sense
for
us,
because
you
bring
more
products
that
are
real
creators
of
something
valuable.
Then
they
also
will
kind
of
keep
an
eye
on.
Who
is
the
block
producer
because
they
hold
the
token
yeah.
A
A
So
you
guys
are
probably
planning
to
have
someone
on
your
team.
That's
like
kind
of
working
with
everyone
else
in
the
ecosystem
and
watching
the.
If
the
worker
proposal
fund,
for
example,
gets
approved,
that's
gonna
be
really
important.
Votes
and
Macedon
I
hope.
There's
like
more
ICS
after
this,
because
this
is
something
not
a
lot
of
people
who
have
probably
thought
about,
but
you
guys
have
a
vested
interest
in
the
eoseo
network,
the
main
net,
because
that's
we.
A
B
A
Pretty
much
you
guys
are
planning
to
well
after
your
capital
is
raised,
you're
gonna
deer
in
some
of
it,
but
there's
still
be
probably
millions
of
tokens
and
you
guys
are
gonna
work
with
the
block
producers
to
kind
of
feel
them
out
figure
out
who
the
best
ones
are.
There's
a
lot
of
really
good
ones.
I,
like
gray,
masks,
Canada,
cypher,
glass,
obviously
New
York.
So
have
you
guys
been
in
touch
with
any
metal
yet
so.
C
A
Producers,
because,
like
you,
could
see
what
they're
building
they're
all
building
some
cool,
stuff
and
they're,
adding
value
to
the
ecosystem,
but
I
think
just
like
the
experience
of
like
meeting
you
guys
and
like
kind
of
learning
a
lot
about
you
like
personally,
it
adds
a
lot
of
trust
and
I.
Think
if
you're
you're
gonna
have
a
lot
of
stake
in
the
ecosystem.
Millions
of
tokens
to
you
want
to
make
sure
you're
voting
for
the
right
projects
and
like
meeting
them
in
person,
probably
at
conferences.
B
Know
what
you
can
give
to
we're
very
much
looking
forward
to
today,
as
I
briefly
mentioned
before
it's
like
a
lot
more
stuff
going
on
behind
the
scenes,
and
then
you
could
ever
imagine
it,
and
for
that
reason
we
have
to
kind
of
like
do
it
step
by
step
and
right
now
we
came
out
with
an
announcement.
Now
we
really
want
to
ramp
this
up,
but
yeah.
So
far
as
I
said,
it
was
like
six
week
of
travel
so.
A
So
kind
of
walked
me
through
like
what's
what's
next,
so
the
ESPC
announcement
was
made,
there's
probably
gonna,
be
some
more
press
releases
coming
out
just
because
I
think
not
enough
people
know
about
you
guys
yet
I'm
really
impressed
with
you
guys
I
got
to
spend
a
lot
of
time
with
you
guys,
I
thought.
The
conference
was
great,
appreciate
the
opportunity
of
you
guys
getting
me
to
introduce
myself
to
Ivan
what
so
what's
what's
next,
for
you
guys
yeah.
B
Next
steps
are
like
community
building
and
really
engage,
and
also
really
important
for
us
is
also
listen
to
the
community.
So
we're
gonna
add
some
cooperation
that
just
does
decisions
and
everyone
has
to
eat
it.
It's
just
like
if
people
have
suggestions
or
say
like
Oh
identity
or
an
and
rub
we're
completely
open
to
any
suggestion,
we
really
want
to
make
this
right.
B
C
C
C
So
that's
all
so
we're
continuing
to
develop
this
further
and
also
like
there's
several
other
things
that
we're
also
focusing
quite
a
lot
on
talking
with
these
business
partners,
because
we
believe
that's
also
something
very
important
for
us
to
actually
bring
more
use
cases
to
to
the
platform
to
Velen,
and
that's
also
why
we're
focusing
on
and
then,
as
Sandra
said,
like
the
community
and
actually
spreading
the
word
and
and
and
executing
the
ico.
So.
A
After
after
in
staff
OH,
it
proves
they're
proof
the
proof
of
concept
on
top
of
your
protocol.
What
other
types
of
businesses
or
I
know
you
can't
name
names,
but
what
type
of
industries
and
and
what
what
type
of
things
are
they
doing?
And
what
value
are
you
adding
to
their
businesses
and
what
is
their
response
has
been
as
you're
talking
to
them,
because
I
know
you've
been
on
the
road,
a
lot
yeah.
B
Sure
so
the
response
always
is
like
Oh
data
privacy.
That's
already
a
good
topic,
I
mean
especially
as
we
introduced
in
Europe,
that's
a
huge
thing,
and
also
amongst
people
that
the
sentiment
has
really
changed,
and
people
are
starting
to
realize
that
something
has
to
change.
So
companies
are
always
interested
in
this
aspect
anyway,
since
in
the
data
privacy
aspect,
but
also
also
in
a
sense
for
the
data
monetization
right
now
they
cannot
monetize
anything,
and
now
they
have
the
possibility
without
being
liable,
because
the
user
is
always
in
control,
he's
always
deciding
what's
happening.
A
I
kind
of
know
myself
today,
I
got
an
early
edition
of
your
white
paper,
but
who
are?
Who
are
the
stakeholders
in
this
model?
So
you
have
your
businesses
and
then
you
have
your
users.
How
do
they
interact?
How
to
who's
getting
like
their
monetization
of
data
is
going
to
the
users
in
the
value
proposition
to
the
application
on
top.
Is
that
they're
giving
that
privacy
to
users,
because.
B
A
B
And
consortium
so
think
of
it,
vamp
protocol
will
defined
in
future
standards
of
data
and
like
this
is
making
the
data
interoperable
between
the
companies.
So
it's
natural
there's
a
natural
interest
in
companies
to
participate
in
voting
how
this
data
standards
evolved.
So
if
a
big
company
joins
protocol
they've
already
made
it
big
business
decision
to
invest
probably
several
millions
into
developing
this
new
application
or
adapting
their
old
application
to
the
blockchain
world.
B
So
in
the
same
in
the
same
step,
it's
that,
like
just
natural
to
them,
to
also
buy
the
token
to
participate
in
how
how
the
data
centers
will
evolve.
So
they
are
not
excluded
out
because,
right
now
the
problem
is,
if
you
would
do
the
same
thing
centrally.
The
companies
would
just
not
trust
like
some
company
that
is
holding
all
data
and
people
would
also
not
trust
some
company,
that's
holding
all
the
data.
C
About
it,
I
mean
there's
like
the
standards
for
data,
as
we
said,
like
w3
and
and
and
we
believe
that
these
will
come
to
the
blockchain
as
well,
and
we
there
will
be
some
standards
for
data
and
we're
trying
to
actually
be
one
of
the
guys
who
do
that.
But
Alessandra
saying
was
saying
like
it's
important,
that
whoever
is
this
is
making.
These
needs
to
be
independent
and
also
there
needs
to
be
some
way
to
to
actually
put
your
vote
into
how
the
standard
suppose.
C
So,
that's
why
we're
saying
like
well,
one
of
the
Kiwi
utilities.
Of
our
token,
is
this
governess
and
and
where
we
sing
like,
of
course,
it's
like
a
big
business
partner
joints
to
our
protocol.
Then
they
will
have
the
incentive
to
actually
have
the
token
because
they're
making
a
business
decision
yeah.
A
Let's
talk
about
that,
I
thought
that
was
interesting
as
well,
how
you
have
your
own
governance,
so
EOS
has
a
governance
model
that
that's
still
so
kind
of
being
ironed
out
and
it's
getting
better
over
time,
but
then
you
guys
have
an
additional
governance
model.
With
your
token,
on
top
of
that,
you
want
to
talk
about,
like
the
staking
of
your
token,
how
what
what
utility
in
governance
does
your
token
have,
because
there
was
one
feature
that
I
saw
in
your
presentation
that
I
liked
the
time
staking.
Oh.
B
B
Same
time
we
want
to
business
to
be
incentivized
to
actually
be
like
long-term
participants
in
this
system.
So
I
think
that's
a
good
balance
to
strike,
but
obviously
like
there
are
so
many
proposals
for
different
government
systems
and
I
think
the
whole
blockchain
world
has
to
figure
out.
What's
what's
the
best
thing
to
do,
that's
what
we
envision
to
be
good
right
now,
but
also
I,
know
that
the
US
is
having
a
lot
of
discussion,
how
they
want
to
structure
their
voting's.
So
that's
what
we
aim
for
and.
C
Also,
it
aligns
incentives
for
those
companies,
because
those
who
are
staking
are
mainly
gonna
be
the
companies
that
join
the
protocol.
So
they
also
have
an
incentive
that
you
know,
like
the
data
standards
evolve
and
all
kind
of
they
have
their
voice
into
this,
but
also
that's
why
they
are
they
want
that
holding
the
tokens,
because
then
you
know
they
have
an
incentive
that
the
whole
ecosystem
is
aligned
and
they
have
like
kind
of
looking
into
each
other,
and
so.
B
It's
it's
kind
of
about
transparency,
so
think
of
a
tokenized
world
right
now
we
have
these
consortiums,
who
are
doing
several
standards
like
who
does
use
B
standard
or
who
does
HTML
sounded
like
w3.org.
That's
the
u.s.
piece,
the
Asia,
the
HTML
standard.
So
there
are
several
consortiums
which
are
doing
all
of
this
stuff,
but
obviously
they
are
funded
by
companies,
because
companies
have
a
large
interest
in
participating
in
these
consortiums,
but
it's
not
really
transparent.
B
What's
going
on
and
in
a
tokenized
world,
this
is
like
a
really
go-to
way
to
actually
have
this
transparent
on
the
on
the
blockchain.
What's
going
on
who's
making
which
decisions
and
evolve
this
certain
interest
group
so
forth
in
this
case,
we're
like
the
interest
group
of
data
standards
years,
has
their
own
voting's
for
the
interest
group
of
evolving
the
blockchain
protocol
and
there
will
be
like
as
I
imagine
it.
A
C
That's
kind
of
a
funny
story:
that's
that
we
have
in
common,
so
I
threw
my
German
University
I
got
offered
to
go
to
Pittsburgh
and
then
I
ended
up.
Saying
yes
and
had
a
very
nice
time
there
at
Pitt
I
still
have
a
very
special
place
in
my
heart
and
I
really
liked
the
city
and
I
think
also
there's
a
lot
of
things
happening
in
your
city.
Like
you
know,
with
all
these
big
companies
coming
over
and
on
Google
and
there
there's
a
vibrant
community,
so
I
thought.
A
It
was
funny
last
night
because
we
were
at
the
real
Oktoberfest,
and
you
mentioned
the
hub
for
house
which
is
like
a
franchise
I
think
they
have
them
in
a
lot
of
cities.
So
a
lot
of
people
watching
cupry,
understand
that
and
for
I
never
thought
I'd
ever
go
to
the
real
Oktoberfest,
it's
a
thousand
times
better
than
Harper
house,
but
there
were.
There
were
a
lot
of
similarities
to
like
all
the
songs
like
the
Sweet
Caroline
I
didn't
realize,
like
that
was
a
thing
outside
of
like
Pittsburgh.
They.
A
I
didn't
it
was
like
almost
like
a
like
a
festive
like
the
craziest
festival
I've
ever
seen
in
my
life,
I
saw
more
drunk
German
people
than
and
then
I
thought
if
we're
in
existence,
and
is
that
the
police
were
so
much
different
than
in
the
u.s..
They
were
just
like
making
sure
everyone
was
safe,
not
like
arresting
people.
D
B
A
We
sat
at
this
like
big
table
and
it
had
all
this
German
food,
all
these
like
sausages
and
pretzels
on
it,
and
they
just
kept
bringing
you
these
giant.
Jugs
of
beer,
like
the
server's,
would
just
like
walk
around
with
handfuls
of
beer
and
just
set
them
on
tables
at
whoever
needed
them
and
then,
like
the
rest
of
the
area,
was
a
surprise,
because
it's
also
like
almost
like
a
carnival
so.
A
A
I
have
a
picture
I'm
gonna,
put
it
on
video,
okay,
I
think
so,
and
going
up
again,
Sarah
yeah,
so
I
had
a
blast
at
Oktoberfest.
I
appreciate
you
guys
inviting
me
to
block
to
her
fest.
Let
me
talk.
It
was
really
cool
getting
to
meet
all
the
other
people
that
you
got.
You
invited
some
very
influential
people,
there's
cool,
getting
some
feedback
from
IVA
venom
from
Sarah
on
how
like
they've
grown
their
audience
and
like
how
they've
improved
their
show
over
time.
So
I
really
appreciate
like
this
trip
added
a
lot
of
value.
C
A
Show
all
right
so
we're
about
about
an
hour
here,
I
like
to
keep
them
under
an
hour
that
way.
I
can
hold
people's
attention
because
it's
a
lot
of
time
is
theirs,
but
a
lot
of
people
are
interesting.
Learning
more
about
you,
guys,
I'm
sure
more
is
gonna
come
out
in
the
in
the
future.
Is
you
guys
put
your
white
paper
out
in
really
grow
the
community?
So
what
else
would
you
would
you
like
to
tell
anyone
tell
me
like
your
Twitter?
What
do
you
want
people
to
do?
Yeah.
B
You
have
this
industry
backing
me
or
not
backing
me,
but
back
in
Pedro
and
like
with
the
whole
team,
and
we
we
have
this
mix
where
we
we
have
this
industry
connections.
We
can
bring
Enterprise
great
adoption
to
the
to
the
industry
and
we
can
do
it
right.
That's
not
like
just
some
business
guy,
making
some
decision
and
somewhere
and
like
doing
this
blockchain
project.
So
we
really
want
to
listen
to
the
community.
We
have
like
tie-dye
on
doing
this
right,
so
it's.
C
Important
for
us
to
do,
we
want
to
strive
to
make
like
a
vibrant
and
strong
community,
so
we're
open
to
receive
your
the
feedback
from
the
community
and
have
an
I
because,
as
we
say,
we're
gonna
put
out
their
white
paper.
I'm
gonna
start
putting
more
content
actually
from
all
these
events
that
we
have
from
the
abrupt
over
phrase
so
that
people
know,
as
you
said,
there's
not
too
much
information
right
now.
We
start
we're
gonna,
try
to
to
to
bring
more
information
to
the
people.
C
B
B
If
I
just
can
listen
to
someone
and
just
learn
a
bunch
of
stuff
and
it's
like
so
valuable
and
great
what
you
have
to
say
about
the
use
community,
because
you
do
it
day
to
day
and
like
unfortunately,
I
was
like
more
involved
in
the
community
before
I
had
to
travel
all
the
time.
And
now
it's
like
awesome
to
to
find
people
that
are
actually
giving.