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Transforming Filecoin into a network that is verifiably environmentally beneficial will require a sustained effort to estimate and measure environmental impacts and build tools to connect the network to markets for renewable energy. Hear Juan and Alan discuss different facets of this project, the growing momentum behind Filecoin Green, and what is coming in 2022.
Speakers:
Juan Benet, Founder, Protocol Labs
Alan Ransil, PhD, Filecoin Green Project Lead, Protocol Labs
A
It's
time
for
our
final
session
of
the
day,
I'd
like
to
invite
juan
juan
vinay,
who
is
the
creator
of
falcon
and
the
ceo
of
protocol
labs
and
alan
ransall,
who
is
the
lead
of
the
falcon
green
project
to
to
join
me
or
to
join
each
other?
Should
I
say
for
a
far
side
chat
and
I
invite
the
audience
to
pop
some
questions
into
the
chat
and
if
they
get
the
chance,
they'll
have
a
look
at
those
and
I'll
say
them.
Thanks
so
much
over
to
your
quad.
B
Thank
you
so
much
angie,
it's
really
great
to
just
be
here
today,
with
with
everybody,
that's
been
a
phenomenal
discussion.
We've
looked
at
so
many
different,
really
critical
components
of
making
this
set
of
projects
a
reality,
so
it
really
has
been
a
phenomenal
day
and
I
think
we
we're
advancing
the
the
space
a
lot
by
by
just
having
these
discussions,
but
but
making
plans
and
and
following
through
with
them
over
time.
B
So
you
know
a
a
huge
honor
for
me
to
just
be
here
with
all
of
you
and
sharing
the
stage.
What
I
want
to
do
in
in
through
this
discussion
is
to
help
spotlight
the
the
green
project
and
and
ask
a
bunch
of
questions
of
alan
who
started
and
has
been
leading
this
this
project
and
to
hear
about
you
know
other
goals
in
the
future
and
so
on.
B
So
along
the
way,
if
you
have
any
questions
that
you
would
like
to
ask
alan
or
other
or
about
the
project
in
general,
just
put
them
on
chat
and
I'll,
be
monitoring
the
chat
here
and
then
I'll
be
pulling
from
those
over
time.
I
have
a
set
of
questions
to
go
through,
so
just
a
a
to
help
make
this
session
a
little
bit
of
self-sending
I'll,
just
quickly
introduce
falcon
green
again.
B
It's
the
goal
of
falcon
green
is
to
lead
the
way
in
renewable
computing
infrastructure,
starting
with
the
world's
largest
decentralized
storage
network,
and
to
do
this,
the
project
builds
tools
to
measure
environmental
impact
and
reduce
it
with
the
goal
of
the
ultimate
goal
of
making
the
network
a
verifiably
net
environmental
good
and
it's
my
honor
to
be
interviewing
alan
alan
ransel
allen
is
a
project
lead
for
falcon
green
and
has
been
at
political
labs.
As
of
the
in-house
expert
on
energy
and
the
environment.
B
Since
he
got
his
phd
from
mit
in
2018,
he
has
worked
on
many
different
aspects
of
renewable
energy,
including
doing
academic
research
on
solar
cells,
batteries,
the
power
grid
and,
and
so
much
more,
it's
really
great
for
the
falco
network
to
be
able
to
count
on
on
disparities.
So
many
people
like
like
alan
who
are
here
to
help
make
the
the
these
networks
you
know
dramatically
better
for
for
the
world
great.
So
just
you
know
starting
off
allen.
B
Can
you
tell
us
how
did
falcon
green
start
and,
and
you
know
what
was
the
the
help
us
understand
where
this
initiative
is
coming
from
and
and
how
it
came
to
be
yeah.
C
C
So
so
one
thing
is:
how
can
we,
how
can
we
decarbonize
file
coin
right
and
then
this
other
question
is
what
can
followcoin
and
crypto
do
to
sort
of
upgrade
environmental
accounting
right
and
so
we've
so
michael
hammersley
and
I
have
been
sort
of
exploring
a
lot
of
these
ideas
in
protocol
labs
research
for
a
while.
Looking
at
things
like
distributed
power
grids
and
looking
at
ways
that
we
can
sort
of
upgrade
use
use,
you
know
crypto
to
upgrade
how
energy
works,
how
energy
is
accounted
for,
how
energy
is
moved
around?
C
Do
you
know
things
like
peer-to-peer
transactions
make
you
know,
apply
design
principles
from
distributed
systems
to
distributed
power
grids,
to
try
to
make
them
more
resilient
and
reliable,
and
you
know
I
think,
once
once
file
coin
launched
a
year
ago,
happy
birthday
follow
coin.
You
know
it's
it's!
You
know
it
really
just
became
clear,
as
you
can
see
the
network
capacity
growing,
that
there
was
this
this
opportunity
to
apply
a
lot
of
these
things
that
we've
been
thinking
about
to
follow.
C
Coin,
specifically
right
and
sort
of
build,
build
this
sort
of
web
three
infrastructure
for
dealing
with
renewable
energy
and
then
sort
of
dog
food
it
on
on
the
network
itself,
and
I
also
want
to
give
a
huge
shout
out
to
to
angie
who's
been
emceeing
today
and
and
the
the
panel
for
really,
you
know
really
just
just
having
sort
of
a
sixth
sense
for
sort
of
what
needs
to
happen.
When
and
really
you
know
pushing
a
lot
of
this
along
along
too
and
really
saying
you
know.
C
Okay,
these
are
these
are
the
sorts
of
tools
that
would
be
really
really
useful
to
have
sort
of
right
now
and-
and
you
know,
sort
of
allowing
this
work
to
come
out
of
all
of
that.
B
It's
so
critical
in
those
moments
to
just
get
encouragement
and
guidance
from
from
operators
and
just
phenomenal,
I'm
sure
she's
watching
at
the
moment,
but
she's
really
phenomenal
in
helping
steer
many
groups
over
time.
Can
you
tell
us
maybe
something
that
angie
helped
you
to
orient
on
to
to
really
make
this
a
reality
right?
B
So
there's
a
huge
difference,
often
in
projects
when
they're
just
getting
off
the
ground,
they
could
go
in
many
different
possible
directions,
and
sometimes
someone
can
give
you
the
inspiration
or
or
the
direction
or
help
point
you.
The
way
can
you
maybe
share
like
what?
B
What
was
like
one
of
those
examples
of
like
really
got
this
off
the
ground
and
happening
because
it's
really
awesome
to
be
where
we
are
now,
and
you
know
the
project's
heading
really
great
directions
but
like
sort
of
like
when,
when
projects
start
like
this,
it's
super
interesting
for
other
people
to
hear
so
that
they,
you
know
they.
They
can
also
start
their
own
things.
C
I
think
a
lot
of
it
came
out
of
sort
of
conversations
that
angie
was
having
with
people
in
the
ecosystem
and
really,
you
know
a
lot
of
things
that
were
discussed
on
the
panel
right
this.
This
sort
of
the
twin
aspects
of
people
wanting
to
be
involved
in
file
coin,
but
wanting
to
ensure
that
what
they're
doing
is
you
know?
Environmentally,
you
know
either
positive
or
not,
as
you
know,
not
not
environmentally
destructive.
C
Like
you
know,
a
lot
of
the
the
sort
of
discourse
surrounding
this
is
right,
and
you
know
in
in
talking
to,
I
think
you
know
particular
projects
that
that
wanted
to
be
involved
and
then
sort
of
be
partners,
but
had
those
concerns.
I
think
she
really
saw
okay.
You
know
you
really
need
to
connect
these
dots
of
saying.
Okay,
if
you
take
this
action,
what
impact
is
that
going
to
have
right,
which
has
been
sort
of
a
holy
grail
in
the
broader
sort
of
environmental
accounting
field?
C
C
You
know,
take
actions
to
degrease
them
right
and
a
lot
of
those
tools
are
being
built
in
web
2,
but
things
aren't
really
verifiable
and
they
aren't
really
that
interoperable,
and
so
you
know,
I
think,
I
think,
taking
a
lot
of
sort
of
the
web
3
the
way
that
web
3,
you
know,
deals
with
data
right
that
you've
you've
described,
as
you
know,
the
merkle
forest
right,
where,
if
you,
if
you
hatch,
link
all
these
data
structures,
they
aren't
just
sort
of
verifiable
and
interoperable
in
the
context
of
the
thing
you're
building,
but
they
are
part
of
this
sort
of
larger
universe,
of
verifiable,
interoperable
data
structures.
C
Right
and
like
it's,
it's
that
sort
of
you
know
the
power
of
working
with
data.
That
way
which
is
really
core
to
you
know.
Ipfs
and
filecoin
is
really
what
we're
going.
Gonna
need
to
give
people.
You
know
the
the
ability
to
to
track
these
environmental
impacts,
many
levels
throughout
a
supply
chain
and
yeah
I
mean
angie,
you
know-
has
has
really
just
just
seen
how
in
like
very
specific
projects.
C
B
The
interest
of
looking
at
all
what
you
know
the
whole
village
that
it
takes
to
to
get
efforts
off
the
ground
here
who
what
who
else
is
working
on
on
green.
So
we've
heard
from
a
number
of
folks
today
and
we've
heard
from
partners
and
from
storage
providers
that
are
already
getting
involved,
but
who's
working
on
sort
of
getting
all
the
tooling
in
place
and
so
on.
C
So
angie
and
emily
in
an
ecosystem
have
been
have
been
working,
a
ton
on
all
different
aspects
of
falcon
green,
the
sentinel
team,
which
is
building
this
this
database
to
really
give
us
tools
to
better
understand,
what's
happening
on
chain
at
any
given
time,
they've
been
super
helpful
for
sort
of
building
out.
C
The
ability
to
you
know
understand
for
giving
minor
id
or
you
know,
be
able
to
sort
of
work
with
unchained
proofs
and
then
translate
that
right
into
into
energy
use,
and
so
especially
hector
ian
and
mike
have
been
have
been
fantastic
there.
C
The
reputation
system
team
right
so
we're
building
all
of
these
tools
and
aiming
to
integrate
them
with
the
reputation
system,
so
that,
when
a
client
wants
to
store
data
on
followpoint,
one
of
the
factors
that
they're
able
to
account
for
is
which
minor
id
is
actually
buying
renewable
energy
right
and
so
the
reputation
system,
especially
deep
and
alex,
have
been
incredibly
helpful
at
you
know,
adding
that
functionality
and
sort
of
integrating
these
tools
into
into
the
whole
whole
rep
system.
C
C
You
know
how
to
how
to
think
about
these
issues
has
has
been
incredibly
helpful
and
inspiring,
and
you
know
participating
in
the
the
demonstrations
that
we're
building
contributing
a
lot
sort
of
intellectually
to
this
sharing
data
with
me.
So
I
can
build
models
of
energy
use
and
sort
of
relate
proofs
to
actual
power
bills.
Right
has
been
extremely
useful
and
we're
going
to
publish
some
of
that.
C
Some
of
that
soon-
and
you
know,
in
addition
to
the
the
amazing
sps
who
were
on
the
panel
today,
nelson
chen
and
stuart
bergman
have
also
been
super
super
helpful
and
and
also
rob
quist,
and
then
I
think,
the
the
other
sort
of
big
group
of
of
people
who
have
been
you
know
contributing
a
lot
to
this
are
sort
of
other
organizations,
especially
the
ewf
folks,
some
of
which
you
you
heard
from
today
and
they're,
really
sort
of
the
farthest
along
in
building
web3
native
tools
for
interfacing,
with
existing
environmental
attribute
markets
and
also
the
the
cca
for
really
sort
of
leading
the
charge
on
getting
everyone
sort
of
rowing
in
the
same
direction
and
then
also
a
digital
mob
as
a
dev
shop.
C
B
Thank
you
to
everybody.
Who's
been
pushing
all
this
along.
This
is
a
phenomenal
project,
and-
and
this
is
just
the
beginning
of
something
really
really
great,
so
I
look
forward
to
helping
push
this
along
and
and
help
you
orient
the
entire
network
towards
a
much
better
future.
So,
let's
dive
into
into
the
the
the
tech
so
can
you
can
you
tell
us
how
much
energy
falcon
uses
right
now,
like
just
kind
of
get
a
sense
of
the
scale
of
of
what
we're
talking
about.
C
So
our
best
guess
right
now
is
that
it
is.
It
is
something
like
130
megawatts
something
like
that
which
accounts
for
several
things
right,
so
so,
firstly,
that's
the
energy
to
seal
files
right
so
to
onboard
storage
to
the
network.
Secondly,
it's
the
energy
to
store
those
files
over
time
right
and
we
can.
We
can
see
that
on
chain
right,
there's
a
proof
corresponding
to
ceiling
a
sector.
Then
there's
a
series
of
proofs
one
every
day
to
verify
that
the
sector
is
continuing
to
be
stored
over
time.
A
C
So
we
have
this
the
sort
of
anchor
in
the
chain
that
corresponds
to
energy
use,
and
then
that
is
something
called
power,
usage,
effectiveness
or
pue,
which
is
a
measurement
of
the
the
sort
of
overhead
that
goes
into
running
a
data
center
operation.
C
So
that's
that's
things
like
cooling
and
losses
from
stepping
power
down
to
you
know
power,
electronics,
all
of
that
stuff-
and
so
you
know
that's
that's
the
the
best
estimate
right
is
about
130
megawatt
hours,
which
is
roughly
one
percent
of
of
bitcoin
sort
of
based
on
the
estimates
that
are
out
there
with
the
the
really
important
difference
right
that
this
is.
C
This
is
energy?
That's
used
to
actually
provide
a
service
right.
This
is
actually
used
to
store
files.
It's
not
just
energy
that
is
used
to
secure
the
chain,
although
it
also
does
secure
the
chain
right
and
then
I
think,
a
good
way
of
of
making
a
comparison.
They're.
You
know
comparing
a
network
file
coin,
which
does
this.
This
useful
thing
store
data
to
web
2
technologies
that
do
the
same
thing
and
store
data.
A
good
sort
of
point
of
comparison
is
about
falcon.
C
C
So
that's
that's
sort
of
the
rough
comparison
you
can
make
there
right
now
and
with,
of
course,
the
important
caveat
right
that
we're
working
with
with
heralds
and
and
others
to
refine
these
models
over
time,
and
this
is
sort
of
a
first
stab
at
this
problem,
but
we're
really
committed
to
doing
a
better
job
to
really
sort
of
understanding
what
the
power
uses
and
other
sort
of
environmental
effects
of
the
network
too.
B
Hey,
that's
a
pretty
large
amount
of
energy.
It
is
not.
You
know
as
big
as
many
as
other
blockchains
or
as
big
as
all
the
data
centers
in
the
in
the
world,
of
course,
but
it's
it's
so
it's,
but
it's
very
sizable.
So
we
should
take
responsibility
of
making
sure
that
all
of
this
is
green
and
headed
in
a
really
good
direction.
B
From
what
you're
saying
it
sounds
like
falcon
operation
is,
is
roughly
similar
to
normal
data
center
operation.
Does
that
mean
so
initially
we
were
pretty
worried.
That
ceiling,
for
example,
which
is
a
pretty
energy
intensive
operation,
might
be
worse
than
a
normal
than
a
normal
data
center
workload
and
so
on.
What
are
what
is
your
thinking
so
far
on
this?
Is
it?
Is
it
worse?
Is
it
normal?
Is
it
under?
C
Of
of
energy
to
store
data,
and
then
operations
being
done
on
that
data
right,
so
the
the
energy
used
to
store
data
is
is
similar
right.
According
to
this
estimate,
and
then
the
operations
done
on
data
ceiling
is
roughly
sort
of
roughly
corresponds
to
you
know.
Workloads
and
normal
data.
Centers
is
sort
of
a
good
way
to
parse
that.
B
And
that's
because
in
normal
data
centers
today,
a
lot
of
them
have
a
lot
of
gpus
and
maybe
are
doing.
I
don't
know
machine
learning,
training
and
optimization
and
whatnot.
So
we
we're
and
and
we're
sort
of
using
commodity
hardware,
I'm
guessing
and
because
of
the
or
because
we're
using
commodity
hardware.
Then
you
sort
of
match
dc's
and
we
don't.
We
don't
have
to
do
it,
go
to
something
more
esoteric
or
something
that
where
it's
not
as
optimized.
C
Yeah
and
and
like
I
think,
I
think,
also
in
particular
once
you've
sealed
the
sector
right.
You've
you've
set
up
all
these
proofs
with
with
all
these
all
these
snarks,
to
allow
you
to
prove
over
time
that
you're
storing
that
data,
the
the
actual
energy
consumption
of
producing
one
of
those
one
of
those
proofs
and
post
over
time,
that
is,
is
basically
trivial
compared
to
the
energy
use
of
of
ceiling
and
storing
the
data.
So
those
are
those
those
along
with
overhead,
are
sort
of
the
big.
The
big
energy
consumption.
B
And
even
there
I
think,
there's
probably
a
lot
of
room
for
for
improving
the
energy
efficiency
of
ceiling
over
time
like
new
ports
might
arrive,
that
that
can
yeah
improve
the
the
energy
expenditure
and
and
so
on.
So
how
do
you
anticipate
that
energy
use
will
change
as
the
network
mature?
So,
of
course,
support
just
mentioned
port
up
as
one
one
possibility.
What
what
are
some
other
possibilities
that
you
see
along
the
way
in
in
the
network
as
it
expands.
C
Yeah,
as
as
you
know,
the
proof
team
is
is
working
on
more
efficient
proofs
that
is
gonna
gonna,
lower
the
energy
cost
of
sealing
over
time.
Definitely
that's
true,
then.
I
think
the
other
big
thing
to
note
is
that,
as
you
add
capacity
to
the
network,
the
energy
use
is
gonna
become
dominated
by
the
data
that
you
are
storing
sort
of
in
steady
state,
not
the
the
growth
right.
C
So
as
the
network
matures
over
time,
it's
going
to
sort
of
asymptotically
get
closer
to
a
normal
data
center,
because
this
one
term
for
ceiling,
that's
sort
of
that
that
extra
load
is,
is
you
know,
extra
work,
that's
proportional
to
the
rate
of
growth
and
it's
the
rate
of
growth
relative
to
sort
of
the
integral
of
all
growth
up
to
that
point
right.
So,
if
you're
storing
a
huge
amount
of
data,
then
that's
your
main
energy
consumption
right
and
because
posts
are
really
efficient.
B
Sounds
like,
then,
what
we
need
to
focus
on
in
the
long
term
is
energy
efficiency
in
the
same
way
that
you
know
commodity
data
centers
do
which,
which
is
means
better,
drives
better
commodity
server
hardware
and
just
like
better
dc
type.
You
know
better
data
center
tech
and
so
on,
which
really
aligns
the
incentives
of
the
falco
network
with
the
rest
of
the
world.
B
In
terms
of
you
know
not
creating
like
custom
hardware
or
custom
systems
that
are
different
and
whatnot
like
the
ceiling
process,
is
a
little
still
in
commodity
hardware,
but
it's
a
bit
of
a
different
process
than
than
most
data
storage
networks
in
the
world.
B
So
that's
great
news,
and
do
you
have
a
sense
of
like
how
far
away
that
carrying
capacity
the
the
the
network
being
the
the
energy
use
of
the
network
being
dominated
by
by
the
data
being
stored,
will
kind
of
cross
over
or
also
you
know,
it's
sort
of
the
aso?
So
maybe
you
don't
have
that
estimate
yet.
C
We're
we're
at
a
point
now
where
they
are
fairly
comparable
right.
So
it's
it's.
I
don't
know
what
exactly
I
don't
remember.
What
exactly
the
percentage
is,
but
it's
it's!
You
know
it's.
It's
energy
to
to
store
and
energy
to
seal
at
the
moment.
Sort
of
instantaneously
are
pretty
even,
and
so
you
know,
as
it
grows
over
time
you
you
would
expect
it
to
sort
of
asymptotically
yeah.
B
That's
great,
so
it
sounds
like
we're
we're
at
or
close
to
to
that
crossover
point
is
then,
from
with
the
current
growth
rate
and
and
so
on,
the
network,
where,
even
if
the
network
starts
growing
at
a
faster
rate,
we're
fairly
close
to
to
energy
being
dominated
by
just
the
you
know
the
carrying
the
carrying
of
the
data
and
so
on.
That's
great
so
great.
So,
let's
dive
into
making
all
of
the
energy
use
green.
So
can
you
describe
falcon
green's
approach
at
high
level.
C
So
I
think
we
really
need
to
set
goals
right
for
what
we
want
to
achieve,
and
this
sort
of
long-term
vision
is
to
be
able
to
to
make
the
the
overall
network
environmentally
positive,
and
so
what
that
means
is
we
need
to
have
a
really
granular
understanding
of
what
the
environmental
impact
impacts
are
of
the
network
right
now
and
we
are
sort
of
farthest
along
and-
and
you
know,
the
the
research
in
general
right
is
farthest
along
on
estimating
the
the
electricity
use
to
run
the
network
right.
C
So,
as
harold
said
a
bit
ago,
there's
basically
no
academic
work
or
very
little
academic
work
on
like
life
cycle
analysis
or
embodied
emissions
right,
and
we
we
really
need
to
build
that
out
and
are
are
going
to
build
that
out
in
the
future,
but
we're
sort
of
farthest
along
on
what's
called
scope,
2
emissions,
which
is
emissions
from
electricity
that
you
use
in
your
operation
right
and
so
the
the
sort
of
big
picture.
C
Is
we
really
need
to
we're
setting
this
goal
of
wanting
to
be
wanting
to
to
buy
more
renewable
energy
than
we
use
wanting
to
pull
more
carbon
out
of
the
air
than
is
embodied
in
the
hardware
that
we
use,
and
so
what
that
means
is
there
are
sort
of
two
components
right?
C
We
need
to
understand
in
a
very
granular
way
what
those
those
impacts
are,
and
so
we're
building
those
tools
right
now
and
working
with
academics,
including
harold
and
others,
to
do
a
really,
really
rigorous
job
sort
of
understanding
those
impacts,
and
then
we
need
to
connect
those
impacts
to
things
like
renewable
energy
markets
right
and
so
that's
the
piece
where
we're
partnering
with
energy
web-
and
you
know
looking
at
what
are
the
different
options
right
for
doing
sort
of
in
the
context
of
a
file
coin
right
this
distributed
system,
which
is
which
is
very
different
from
the
systems
where
people
have
sort
of
scaled
up.
C
You
know
this,
this
sort
of
environmental
accounting
before
how
can
we
do
a
very
cognizant
job
of
connecting,
for
example,
energy
use
to
existing
renewable
energy
markets
right?
We.
C
The
wheel
and
come
up
with
some
entirely
new
standard
right,
we're
really
saying
sort
of
okay.
If
you
have
a
minor
id
that
is
in
this
location,
how
can
we
do
a
very
rigorous,
transparent
job
of
connecting
you
to
the
existing
wreck?
Registries
that
are
monitoring
renewable
energy
in
that
area
right
and
how
can
we
make
that
sort
of
as
as
rigorous
and
transparent
as
alex
was
saying
from
steel
storage?
The
the
the
transparency
here
is
is
really
really
crucial.
C
How
can
we
make
that
as
rigorous
and
transparent
as
possible,
and
then
I
think
what
we're
really
trying
to
do
too
is
you
know,
help
catalyze
the
the
sort
of
existing
industry,
best
practices
to
become
better
right,
and
so
one
example
of
that
is
it's
sort
of
industry
best
practice
if
you're
a
big
company
in
sort
of
the
the
you
know,
legacy
economy,
you
estimate
your
energy
use
for
an
entire
year,
and
then
you
buy
renewable
energy
credits
rex
that
were
produced
six
months
before
that
year
during
that
year
or
three
months
after
that
year.
C
Right.
So
if
you,
if
you
want
to
achieve
something
where
you
have
this,
this
closer
tie-in
between
energy
use
and
renewable
energy
production,
this
sort
of
21-month
accounting
window
is
is
like
not
not
ideal
right,
and
so
you
know,
this
is
something
that
kevin
mentioned
in
the
panel
from
from
picnic
is
that
we
would
really
like
to
move
toward
closer
closer
standards
to
really
match
renewable
energy
used
to
production
right
and
so
we're
we're
trying
to
shorten
that
accounting
period.
C
We're
looking
at
one
month
for
this,
this
next
round
of
this
program
that
we're
doing
and
then
also
engaging
with
groups
like
energy
tag,
which
is
building
standards
for
very,
very
granular
sort
of
one
hour
matching
or
you
know,
to
support
24,
7
renewables,
and
you
know
really
looking
at.
How
can
we
build
functionality
that
is
useful
in
the
file
code
network
and
then
also?
How
can
we
support
building
tools
that
are
going
to
be
useful
in
in
other
crypto
networks
and
in
the
the
sort
of
broader
economy?
Beyond
that.
B
If
I
can
highlight
one
of
the
things
I
love
about
about,
this
approach
is
setting
strong
goals.
Building
tools
go
after
low
hanging
fruit
make
some.
You
know
significant
impactful
moves,
but
not
letting
you
know
perfect,
be
the
enemy
of
the
good
and
just
start
the
process
of
turning
turning
platform
green
and
then
over
time,
increasing
kind
of
pressure
for
more
and
more
systems
and
more
and
more
processes
to
become
greener
and
more
optimized
and
so
on.
B
So
I
think
I
think
this
is
awesome
and
I
think
it
has
a
you
know
very
high
high
likelihood
of
of
not
only
just
not
just
working,
because
it's
already
working,
it's
you
know,
being
super
impactful
in
in
turning
falcon
into
the
greenest
blockchain
in
the
world
and
in
in
really
paving
the
way
for,
for
the
broader,
broader,
broader
crypto
industry
and
for
and
for
storage
networks
in
in
general.
B
So
you
you
mentioned
renewables
and
and
renewable
energy
credits,
and
and
so
on
so
and
before
I've
also
heard
a
ton
about.
You
know:
carbon
offsets
and
carbon
credits
and
whatnot.
So
so
why
buy
renewable
renewable
energy
credits
instead
of
carbon
assets?
Can
you
sort
of
impact
that
for
us
so.
C
Like
I
said
we're
trying
to
be
very
intentional
about
when
we
make
these
claims,
what
exactly
is
that
claim
tied
to
and
make
that
very
transparent
and
very
verifiable,
and
so
the
the
difference
so
so
rex
or
renewable
energy
credits
always
correspond
to
the
generation
of
one
megawatt
hour
of
of
power
in
some
regional
power
grid,
and
they
have
standards
that
already
exist
for
how
you
track
that
power
right
and
you
can.
You
can
generally
trace
this
wreck
back
to
the
specific
project
that
was
used
to
generate
that
right.
C
So
that's
really
what
we're
saying
is
like,
okay,
you
know
if
you
are
storing
you
know,
say
you
operate
a
website
company
right,
that
is
storing
data
for
clients
on
filecoin
right.
We
want
to
build
tools
that
would
support
you,
and
if
that
client
wants
to
know
that
client
could
ask
you,
you
could
tell
them
okay,
I
store
that
data
with
this
minor
id,
then
that
minor
id
is
traceable
back
to
this
particular
certificate.
C
Right,
which
has
you
know,
comes
from
this
particular
wind
farm
or
solar
farm
with
like
these
gps
coordinates,
and
you
can
see
in
the
rec
registry
that
the
rec
registry
knows
that
this
minor
id
bought
that
power
right.
So
it's
like.
Can
we
really
really
unambiguously
map
renewable
energy,
many
levels
throughout
a
supply
chain
right,
and
so
that's
that's
really
what
you
can
do
with
rex
and
that's
why
we're
we're,
starting
with
rex,
offsets
are
just
sort
of
a
less
mature
market
right.
So
there's
a
lot
of
different
things.
C
That
offsets
can
mean
the
goal
of
offsets
right
is
always
to
remove
carbon
dioxide
from
the
atmosphere,
and
people
are
doing
a
lot
of
work
and
and
developing
great
standards
on
you
know.
How
to
really
tell
you
know
is
this:
is
this
a
good
offset
right
but
we're
starting
with
rex,
because
that's
that's
really
where
you
can
get
this
very
unambiguous,
clear
mapping
to
let
people
know
exactly
what
you're
claiming.
B
That
seems
like
a
great
great
strategy
and
a
great
trade-off
of
the
of
the
conditions.
So
it
sounds
like
over
time
as
so.
Both
the
wreck
registry
help
helps
us
understand,
also
the
specific
environment
plants
and
the
specific
places
that
the
energy
is
coming
from,
which
also
add
verifiability.
B
Both
ways
right,
like
some
of
these
plants,
might
be
better
than
others,
and
so
over
time
you
can
kind
of
measure
how
high
quality,
the
all
of
the
energy
being
produces
and
potentially
ratchet
up
the
the
quality
and
maybe
for
carbon
offsets
and
other
other.
B
You
know
other
kind
of
credits
and
and
so
on.
Maybe
we
can
be
a
pressure
there
in
in
expressing
what
they,
what
things
have
to
look
like,
so
that
we,
as
a
network,
might
consider
using
those.
So
maybe
you
know,
I
think,
for
the
project
to
consider
is
maybe
describing
like
what
you
would
like
to
see
in
those
systems.
B
So
they
make
sense
for
us
and
then
publishing
that
so
that
then
builders
of
in
those
systems
know
kind
of
what
to
target
and
how
to
how
to
orient
ourselves,
because
already
falcon
is,
is
pretty
large
and
and
is
using
an
enormous
amount
of
energy
as
we
get
bigger
and
as
the
network
keeps
growing,
it'll
be
become
a
larger
and
larger
load
on
on
the
grid
and
larger
larger
factor,
and
so
if
we
can
be
super
green
and
we
have
a
a
published
set
of
requirements
of
well,
what
would
how
we
would
like
to
engage
with
some
of
these
other
markets
and
other
assets
and
so
on?
B
Then?
Maybe
those
groups
can
can
actually
turn
around
and
do
work
towards.
You
know
satisfying
the
needs
of
the
department
network.
So
let's
maybe
talk
so
we
talked
about
rex.
We've
talked
about
carbon
offsets.
What
about
the
hardware
so,
at
the
end
of
the
day,
you're
buying
some
some
some
piece
of
hardware
to
help
run
the
network
either.
Primarily
storage
providers,
but
also
some
other
developers
and
and
so
on.
B
The
manufacturing
of
that
hardware
involves
all
kinds
of
processes
that
might
be
pulling
that
those
processes
might
make
themselves
not
be
green
and
so
on.
How
do
we
deal
with
this?
How
do
we
reason
about
it?
How
do
we
maybe
select
better
hardware
than
others?
How
do
we
offset
that?
Could
we
maybe
estimate
some
of
this.
C
Yeah,
you
know,
I
think
we
would
really
like
to
be
able
to
trace
right,
not
just
emissions,
but
other
types
of
environmental
impacts.
Right
and
so
you
know,
people
are
looking
at.
You
know
increasingly
sort
of
recycling,
electronics,
right
and
currently.
Electronics
disposal
is
this
sort
of
major
major
source
of
pollution,
so
right
we'd
really
like
to
be
able
to
trace,
and
you
know,
web3
dealing
with
data
in
in
sort
of
a
web.
Renate
of
way
should
allow
us
to
do
this
much
better
things
like
okay,
where
did
the?
C
Where
did
the
tantalum
in
my
device
come
from
right
like?
How
can
we?
How
can
we
work
with
members
throughout
the
supply
chain
to
really
get
a
very
granular
view
of
you
know?
Actually
what
are
those
environmental
impacts?
And
how
can
we
you
know
once
we
have
visibility
into
that
supply
chain?
C
What
can
we
do
to
you
know
lower,
so
so,
first
reduce
and
then
mitigate
does
environmental
impacts
right,
and
so
I
think
you
know,
like
you
said,
falcoin
you
know
is
a
is
a
you
know,
is
buying
a
lot
of
electricity,
and
so
that
means
we,
as
a
network,
can
potentially
put
pressure
on
the
producers
of
of
you,
know,
electricity
or
if
we
buy
a
lot
of
offsets,
we
can
put
pressure
on
the
producers
of
offsets
to
conform
to
a
higher
standard
right.
C
So
the
falco
network
also
buys
a
lot
of
hardware,
so
it
makes
sense
to
try
to
work
with
companies
supplying
that
hardware
who
are
gonna
conform
both
to
good
environmental
practices
and
also
to
higher
standards
of
traceability
in
those
practices
right
and
then,
I
think,
also
looking
sort
of
downstream
the
other
way
right.
C
So
the
storage
providers
in
their
panel
were
talking
about
how
that
type
of
traceability
can
be
really
important
for
clients
right
or
investors
right,
and
so
I
think,
there's
a
huge
opportunity
for
us
sort
of
in
the
middle
of
the
supply
chain,
sort
of
on
both
sides
to
really
nucleate
those
tools
and
have
them
sort
of
grow
in
both
directions
so
that
we're
able
to
trace
those
sorts
of
impacts
and
there's
there's
just
so
much
both
to
research
here
and
so
much
to
build
here.
C
And
so
please
join
the
the
phil
green
slack
channel
to
to
be
involved
in
building
out.
All
of
this.
B
That's
great
great
approach
to
it
and
I
think
over
time
you
know,
though
we're
starting
with
the
you
know,
largest
and
most
important
part
of
the
network,
the
source
providers.
I
think
we
can
also
start
extending
a
lot
of
that
same
kind
of
measuring
and
same
kind
of
indications
to
developers
as
well.
There's
a
lot
of
software
infrastructure
that
developers
and
different
application
providers
have
and
run,
and
we
don't
yet
have
computing
clouds
that
are
fully
decentralized
and
whatnot.
B
So
we
can.
We
can
probably
build
some
some
information
on
the
on
that
as
well
over
time
and
sort
of
apply
the
same
kind
of
thinking
acro
to
all
of
the
different
different
participants.
So
search
providers,
retrieval
providers
eventually
developers
and
who
knows
maybe
clients
as
well
at
some
point.
So
can
you
maybe
describe
what
happens
when
sps
when
search
providers
buy
rex?
You
know
we
heard
about
how
it
gets
connected
to
the
registry.
B
We've
heard
about
kind
of
how
you
can
trace
it,
but
but
what
exactly
happens
in
the
energy?
Can
you
maybe
express
for
us?
What
is
that
actually
doing.
C
Yeah,
renewable
energy
markets
are
complicated
right,
and
so
what
we
would
like
to
do
right
is
transition
the
power
grid
to
be
100
renewable
right.
That's
that's!
Sort
of
the
goal
so
wrecks
are
one
of
the
mechanisms
that
people
have
built
over
the
past
few
decades
to
enable
companies
and
individuals
to
to
try
to
do
that
right,
and
so
what
happens
when
say?
C
A
solar
farm
produces
a
megawatt
hour
of
electricity
that
electricity
goes
into
the
grid,
so
it
goes
into
the
wires
and
the
renewable
attributes
of
that
electricity
are
tracked
and
packaged
into
a
wreck
or
renewable
energy
credit.
And
so
the
idea
is
that
if
you
consume
power
on
the
same
power
grid,
you
can
buy
that
wreck
and
then
you
own
those
those
renewable
attributes
and
it's
sort
of
like
you,
just
got
power
directly
from
that
solar
panel
right.
C
It
is
not
exactly
like
you
got
power
just
directly
from
that
solar
panel,
because
you
aren't
necessarily
consuming
power
exactly
when
that
that
solar
panel
was
producing
it
right
and
and
the
existing
grid
doesn't
have
a
lot
of
storage
in
it.
So
power
in
has
to
equal
power
out
on
sort
of
a
very
granular
basis,
and
so
what
the
really
positive
thing
about
that
right
is
that
it
does.
C
It
provides
a
revenue
stream
to
developers
of
solar
and
wind
and
hydro
and
other
projects
that
make
it
clear
that
you're
going
to
be
able
to
get
money
from
this,
this
extra
source
when
you
develop
additional
renewable
energy
capacity,
and
that's
that's
like
that's,
really
positive
and
that's
how
a
lot
of
a
lot
of
grids
have
become
lower
emissions
over
time.
Right
is
using
this
mechanism
as
we
move
forward
right
and
we
reach
really
higher
renewables
penetration
in
the
grid.
C
C
The
grid
right
is
the
intermittency
of
renewables
and
the
lack
of
storage,
and
so
that
is
something
we're
thinking
a
lot
about
is
how
can
we,
you
know?
How
can
the
tools
that
we
build?
Firstly,
give
us
this
very
granular
ability
to
really
understand.
C
When
is
the
network
using
how
much
power
and
then,
secondly,
what
can
we
do
to
to
sort
of
play
a
role
in
raising
those
standards
in
order
to
come
up
with
this?
C
This
sort
of
better
matching,
but
that's
sort
of
a
quick
summary
of
you
know
what
happens
when
you
buy
a
wreck
and
and
what's
good
about
the
existing
system
that
we're
plugging
into,
and
where
can
we
sort
of
put
some
pressure
to
try
to
improve
it,
where
we
would
really
like
to
build
towards
something
like
24,
7
renewable
and
are
working
with
sps
to
install
local
solar?
C
You
know
capacity
there
or
and
are
also
working
with
groups
like
energy
tag
which
are
developing
these
standards
right,
because
these
standards
need
to
exist
right.
The
standards
for
for
existing
wrecks
are
already
out
there,
but
the
standards
for
super
granular
hour
to
hour
wrecks-
aren't,
you
know,
aren't
out
there
yet,
and
so
they
need
to
exist
and
we
need
to
to
build
projects
that
use
them
in
order
to
sort
of
push
the
entire
industry
forward.
B
So
so
far,
in
a
lot
of
conversations,
and
just
in
general,
this
is
how
the
world
tends
to
target
things
everyone's
trying
to
get
to
zero
and
get
to
you
know
basically
trying
to
match
their
energy
expenditures
with
just
as
much
renewables
and
whatnot.
Earlier
today
I
was
like
hey.
We
should
be.
You
know,
10xing,
that
we
should
be
offsetting
10
times
more
than
we
use
or
having
some
factor
like
this.
Does
this
make
sense,
or
is
this
kind
of
like
a
like
a
too
aggressive?
When
you
hear.
B
C
C
This
upper
lower
bound
and
an
estimate
and
we're
in
the
systems
that
we're
building
we're
tying
that
100
renewable
label
to
that
upper
bound
for
now,
which
really
means
that
okay,
this
is
you
know
this
is
the
most
electricity
that
we
think
that
miner
id
is
using
based
on
on-chain
proofs.
So,
let's
link
to
rex
that
are
accounting
for
that
much
electricity
rather
than
some.
C
You
know,
estimate
or
lower
bound
that,
even
if
the
estimate
is
what
we
think
they're
actually
using,
we
really
want
to
build
that
overestimation
into
the
tool
speaking
with
right
and
then
secondly,
yeah
there's
there's
no,
and
you
know
this
is
something
that
that
you've
you've,
you
know,
talked
to
me
a
lot
about
in
conversations
for
for
a
while
is
like
you
know,
how
can
we
set
things
up
such
that
a
hundred
percent
is
not
the
upper
bound
right,
so
you
you
get
connected
to
renewable
energy
that
corresponds
to
your
your
upper
limit.
Okay!
C
Well,
you
would
play
it
play
more
of
a
role
in
in
catalyzing
the
transition
to
renewable
energy,
if
you,
if
you
bought
more
wrecks
than
that
right.
So
if
you,
if
you
give
more
money
to
renewable
energy
producers
in
exchange
for
their
product
and
they're,
able
to
secure
this
revenue
stream,
which
can
then
be
you
know,
used
in
the
future
to
add
additional
renewables
capacity
right
so
yeah,
I
think
it
makes
a
lot
of
sense
to
to
sort
of
design
these
incentive
structures
to
to
hit
targets.
C
B
A
question
given
the
recent
rise
in
nfts
and
so
on.
Are
these
rex
actual
nfcs
or
are
they
sort
of
like
a
claim
in
some
registry
somewhere
or
how
are
they
represented.
C
Yes,
so
so
energyweb
has
really
been
pioneering
working
on
on
a
lot
of
this,
and
so
as
of
late
october.
The
wrecks
that
we
are
buying
are
gonna
be
recorded
on
their
chain
on
the
energy
web
chain,
and
there
is
a
there's,
a
fungible
and
non-fungible
component
to
an
nf
into
a
to
a
one
of
their
their
their
their
eics.
So
the
idea
is
there's
they
are
able
to.
A
C
Know
point
to
the
particular
device
or
the
that
you
know
produce
that
renewable
energy
and
then
once
a
wreck
broker
has
taken
those
wrecks
and
onboarded
them
to
their
chain.
There
is
this,
this
fungible
component
that
they're
able
to
trade
so
say
you
buy.
You
know
a
gigawatt
hour,
but
someone
only
wants
to
buy.
C
You
know
100
megawatt
hours,
you're
able
to
sell
them
that
that
piece
of
that
so
it
doesn't,
it
doesn't
map
exactly
onto
an
existing
like
like
if,
like
nft
standard,
but
it
you
know
it's
it's
a
it's
sort
of
a
standard
built,
particularly
for
for
rex
and
and
environmental
attribute
tracking
on
the
ewf
chain.
B
I
think
there's
utility
in
in
matching
some
of
the
some
of
the
standards
over
time,
because
it'll
it'll
help
the
wrecks
themselves
plug
into
a
bunch
of
the
tooling
that
people
are
building
for
nft,
so
that
that'll
that's
useful.
But
all
of
that
sounds
sounds
great.
It
makes
sense
what
other
kind
of
artifacts
you
see
generating
overtime.
Look.
What
other
kind
of
verifiable
claims
are
there
that,
like
might
be
like
good
projects
for
for
people
listening
that
might
you
know,
attend
one
of
the
hackathons
happening.
C
It
would
be
really
compelling
to
be
able
to
go
from
energy
used
to
emissions
right,
and
we
were
talking
about
in
chat,
and
you
know,
part
of
part
of
the
cca
work
right
is
to
come
up
with
carbon
accounting
standards
for
crypto
that
are
heavily
based
on
the
greenhouse
gas
standards
that
are,
you
know,
have
been
have
been
under
development,
for
you
know
more
than
a
decade,
and
so
you
know
in
order
there
are,
there
are
different
sort
of
established
ways
of
calculating
what
the
emissions
are
for
your
operation,
if
you
know
the
energy
use
right,
and
so
one
example
of
that
is,
what's
called
a
using
a
marginal
emissions
factor,
which
is
the
idea
that,
if
you
you
know,
if
you
have
some
equipment,
that's
running
that's
connected
to
a
power
grid.
C
You
could
take
your
energy
use
and
multiply
that
by
the
average
for
that
power
grid.
That's
that's
one
way
of
calculating
this
and
that's
sort
of
one
of
these
standards
in
the
the
greenhouse
gas
emissions
standards
for,
for
you
know,
calculating
calculating
emissions.
C
There's
you
could
also
say
you
could
take
the
your
marginal
impact
on
emissions,
which
is
to
say
you
know
if
I
flicked
off
this
switch,
what
generating
source
would
be
turned
off
then,
and
what
is
my
emissions
in
a
granular
way
sort
of
hour
to
hour
based
on
the
sort
of
marginal
emissions
factor
for
this
local
grid?
C
And
I
think
it
would
be
extremely
compelling
to
build
tools
to
allow
the
grid
to
see
to
allow
you
know
chains
to
see
that
right
and
be
able
to
sort
of
import
that
data
as
a
function
of
of
you
know,
location
and
time
to
really
get
those
marketing
emissions
factors
and
match
them
with
power.
Use.
A
B
B
Great
so
we've
heard
about
rex
we've
heard
about
the
actual
process
we've
heard
about.
Why
we're
using
rex
now,
we've
heard
about
the
total
energy
use
of
the
network,
we've
heard
about
kind
of
like
the
life
cycle
for
sps
and
other
other
groups.
How
far
are
we
along
in
this
process?
How
much
energy
has
the
network?
How
much
green
energy
has
the
network
supported
so
far
like
so
what
fraction
of
our
energy
use
is
green.
C
I
think
so
in
our
our
first
showcase,
so
our
first
demonstration,
where
we
got
a
group
of
sps
together
and
said:
okay,
let's
just
try
this-
let's
you
know,
take
a
bunch
of
sps,
let's
estimate
their
energy
use
over
the
the
sort
of
lifetime
of
their
activity
on
on
file
coin
and
by
rex,
corresponding
to
that
energy
use.
C
They
bought
712,
I
believe
megawatt
hours
of
of
electricity
which
is,
or
you
know,
of,
of
wrecks,
corresponding
to
renewable
generation,
which
is
you
know
enough
to
power,
66
american
homes
for
a
year
or
enough
to
drive
a
tesla.
I
think
about
about
the
the
distance
corresponding
to
here
to
the
moon
and
back
10
times
is
a
perfect
yeah
yeah.
That's
that's
that,
but
so
I
think
you
know
so
in
this
next
round
of
that
right.
C
So
we've
expanded
that
program
and
we're
looking
at
at
buying
about
a
hundred
times
that
much
in
rex
so
about
78,
000,
megawatt
hours
or
78
gigawatt
hours
of
of
renewable
energy,
which
is
going
to
sort
of
really
upgrade
the
the
amount
of
energy.
That's
being
you
know,
purchased
corresponding
to
file
coin
and
make
it
sort
of
a
bigger,
a
bigger
player
in
these
markets
and
we're.
You
know,
really
excited
awesome.
B
So
that's
jumping,
you
know
two
orders
of
magnitude
in
one
go,
which
is
great
like
ambitious
love
it.
What
maybe
at
that
point
like
what
fraction
of
the
I
don't
know
the
yearly
use
of
energy?
Will
that
be.
C
This
is
a
good
question.
I
I
should
go
back
to
the
the
dashboard
to
look
at
that.
It's
like,
I
think
it's
it's.
I
don't
want
to
say
a
number
right
now.
It's
up
my
head,
yeah
sounds
good.
B
Yeah
yeah,
we
either
wait
like
that
sounds
like
it
like
a
huge
jump.
That's
that's
awesome.
I
think
giving
it
to
us
in
like
fraction
numbers
or
things
like
that
will
help
us
like
help
me
and
others
be
like
oh
yeah.
B
Awesome
like
this
is
this
is
what
these
numbers
mean
for
us
and
it
gives
us
a
target
to
hit
right
because,
like
you
tell
us
hey,
if
you
know
the
green
project
tells
you
know
the
broader
falcon
network,
hey
we're
about,
like
you
know,
five
percent
of
our
energy
or
like
ten
percent
of
our
energy,
that
that
gives
us
a
target
to
hit
and
and
helps
us
frame
the
effort
to
get
to
a
hundred
percent.
B
But
then
beyond
that,
if
we
really
want
to
get
hit
like
10x
and
jump
another
another
order
of
magnitude
helps
frame
up
the
challenge
but
yeah
that
sounds.
That
sounds
great,
so
you
know
how
does
how
does
this
compare?
Does
it
sounds
like
a
lot
of
a
lot
of
energy?
How
does
that
compare
to
other
networks
like
where?
Where
are
we
on
the
scale.
C
The
networks
that
have
been
active
in
this
so
far
tend
to
be
other
networks
that
run
consensus
mechanisms
that
make
them
make
their
energy
smaller.
So
right,
like
proof
of
stake,
or
some
variant
of
that,
which
is
which
is
great
like
if
that's,
if
that's
compatible
with
sort
of
the
goals
of
your
community,
like
you
should
lower
energy
use,
and
you
should
bring
that
energy
use
and
like
that's,
that's
fantastic
right
or
then
the
sort
of
other
category
has
been
there
have
been.
C
You
know,
projects
that
have
said
that
use
a
lot
of
energy
right
but
have
made
claims
in
a
way.
That's
that's
less
than
sort
of
completely
transparent
and
verifiable
right.
So
I
think
really
where
what
we're
doing
is
taking
this
network
that
uses
a
substantial
amount
of
energy
and
greening
it
in
a
way
that
is
transparent
and
verifiable
right,
and
I
think
that's
that's
really
where,
where
falcone
can
sort
of
lead
the
way
in
greening.
C
Crypto
is
being
this
use
case
and
saying:
okay
like
we
actually
can
be
a
big
player
in
renewable
energy
markets,
and
we
can
give
you
all
the
tools
that
you
need
wherever
you
are
into
this
ecosystem.
To
really
see
not
just
you
know
both
the
impact
of
the
of
the
network
overall,
but
the
impact
of
of
your
particular
actions
in
that
network
and
really
sort
of
give
people
that
transparency
to
really
start
shifting
these
systems
in
sort
of
a
more
more
verifiable
green
direction.
B
And
this
is
why
I
want
to
push
beyond
you
know,
1x
and
get
to
you
know
2x5x
eventually,
10x,
because
it
goes
from
hey
just
clean
up
after
yourself
to
being
in
an
actively
beneficial
party
in
the
system,
and
it
goes
from
hey
just
you
know,
fixing
something
you
broke
to
oh
wow,
having
file
coin
in
this
community.
B
Having
falcon
in
this
country
is
beneficial
to
all
of
the
green
energy
producers
in
this
region,
and
so
by
going
to
you
know
becoming
like
a
an
over
consumer
of
of
renewable
energy
will
both
actually
help.
B
You
know
very
tangibly
orient
many
other
communities
towards
doing
that
too,
and
like
over
time,
you
know
kind
of
avert
the
massive
crisis
we're
in
and
try
to
get
to
closer
to
to
getting
to
global
zero
and,
ideally
global
net
negative,
but
it'll
also
kind
of
along
the
way,
help
benefit
the
broader
network
in
general
and
it'll
help
the
network
grow.
So
I
think
this
is
a
lot
of
times.
B
I
think
it's
extremely
useful
to
to
draw
the
kind
of
like
really
important
economic
business
case,
for
something
that
you
want
to
achieve
right.
So
so
tesla's
a
great
example
was
like
saying:
hey,
you
know
we
need
to
move
all
of
all
of
cars
and
from
fossil
fuels
to
to
be
being
electricity
powered.
So
then
we
can,
you
know
power
the
entire
grave
with
renewables
and
it's
okay.
B
Well,
you
know
the
way
to
do
it
is
like
by
by
making
it
just
economically
like
the
thing
that
that
the
people
want
and-
and
you
know
have
the
shiny
car
make
make
the
make
a
a
really
nice
sports
car,
like
kind
of
thing,
that
everyone
wants
to
buy
and
whatnot
and
then
make
it.
You
know
with
the
semis
and
and
so
on,
make
it
cost
effective
to
to
do
it,
and
so
on
so
like.
B
I
think,
the
the
the
business
case
and
economic
case
for
a
crypto
network
becoming
you
know,
super
green
and
like
a
huge
consumer,
it
is,
can
can
cause
a
like
a
pressure
on
on
countries
to
accept
to
accept
crypto
and
then
also
start
asking
for
more
storage
providers
to
come
into
that
region
right.
So,
if,
if
a
region
is
wants
to
to
increase
its
consumption
of
renewables
and
so
on,
and
it's
investing
heavily
in
renewables,
then
suddenly
it
might
become.
B
You
know
it
might
start
attracting
sps
in
into
that
region
or
start
attracting
falcon
into
the
region,
so
that
you
know
the
the
falcons
green
business
comes
comes
their
way.
So
I
think
that
that
can
be
helpful
over
time.
So
you
know
how
much
so
that's
that's
awesome.
That
sounds
really
good.
How
do
we
get
to?
B
Is
there
some
kind
of
like
global
leaderboard
that
we
can
look
at
where,
because
I
think
leaderboards
can
be
really
useful
in
orienting
large
communities
to
go
in
some
directions,
so
both
maybe
a
leaderboard
within
within
falcoin,
where
we
can
see
like
you,
know,
different
speeds
and
how
they're
doing
or
ideally
like
a
leader
board
for
all
of
crypto,
where
we
can
see
how
all
of
crypto
is
doing
relative
to
each
other,
so
they
can
cause
because
that
kind
of
those
kinds
of
systems
and
mechanisms
pressure
everyone
towards
towards
that
kind
of,
like
group
action
towards
hitting
the
goal.
C
One
of
the
really
compelling
things
right
about
the
the
sort
of
design
of
filecoin
right
is
that,
because
these
individual,
minor
ids
right
are
providing
a
service
to
clients
and
clients
need
to
decide
which
storage
writer
they're
gonna
go
with
the
reputation
system.
Sort
of
provides
sort
of
automatically
gives
us
the
ability
to
make
that
that
leaderboard
that
you're
talking
about
right
and
so
we're
continuing
to
work
with
the
team
building,
the
the
you
know,
building
fill
rep
to
incorporate
that
and
make
it
really
clear
and
transparent.
C
C
I
think
the
the
second
piece
of
that
is
that
the
the
dashboard
that
we're
building
falcon
green,
that
is
is
going
to
be
released
in
a
few
weeks
publicly
is
the
is
the
target
that
is
is
going
to
have
a
leaderboard
built
in
once
we're
able
to
open
up
energy
web
zero
to
any
storage
provider
that
wants
to
integrate
with
it
right.
So
currently,
we've
we've
done
these.
These
sort
of
iterations
of
getting
together
a
group
of
sps
and
then
purchasing
rex
and
connecting
them
to
the
reputation
system.
C
The
goal
is
in
quarter
one
of
next
year
to
open
up
energy
web
zero
to
anyone
who
wants
to
participate-
and
I
think
that's
where
it's
really
gonna
sort
of
make
sense
to
have
this
leaderboard
integrated
into
falcon
green,
where
you
can
really
see
who's
doing
that,
and
then
I
think
you
know
in
terms
of
you
know,
for
for
all
of
crypto.
I
think
that's,
that's!
You
know
more
of
a
hackathon
project
and
then
people
are,
you
know,
working
on
a
lot
of
these
comparisons.
C
B
In
general,
collaboratively
competitive
mechanisms
are
really
really
useful,
so
when
you
can
create
some
competition
within
a
group
that
overall
is
collaborative
to
store
some
common
goal
that
tends
to
you
know,
cost
tons
of
like
action
in
the
lines.
Incentives
in
the
long
term,
so
I
think
creating
this
dynamic
within
within
the
crypto
community
can
really
help
all
of
us
and
help
all
all
blockchains
become
green.
B
What
are
some
of
some
of
the
ways
so
already
kind
of
like
the
competition
side
of
that
is
like
really
clear
what
are
some
of
the
ways
that
we
can
collaborate?
What
are
what
are
ways
that
we
can
interface
with
other
groups
and
other
networks
that
really
care
about
this,
that
you
know
we're
already
collaborating
with
ewf
and
and
cca
and
others.
B
C
So
the
cca
has
sort
of
created
this
hub
right
for
a
lot
of
people
who
are
interested
in
this
and
a
lot
of
different
chains
and
groups
and
there's
a
lot
of
flexibility
as
to
how
you
work
with
the
cca
right.
You
can
join
as
a
supporter,
which
means
that
you
support
decarbonizing
crypto.
C
You
can
join
as
a
signatory,
which
means
that
you
have
significant
operations
and
you're
committing
to
decarbonizing
those
operations
on
a
particular
time
scale-
and
you
know
it's
just
sort
of
this
great
community
where
people
can
work
together
to
share
information
and
hash
out
standards
and
build
tools
to
really
do
this
in
a
verifiable
way,
and
so
I
think
I
think
that's
that's
extremely.
You
know
a
really
compelling
way
to
interface
with
it.
Then.
I
think
also
you
know
pushing
towards
there's
this.
C
This
group,
I've
mentioned
called
energy
tag
a
few
times
which
is
working
on
developing
standards
for
granular
renewable
energy
credits.
So,
rather
than
matching
within
this
21
month
window,
they
wanted
to
make
it
possible
to
match
within
an
hour
window
right,
and
so
I
think
what
you
know,
what
we
can
do
as
people
building
tools
as
as
sps
as
community
members
to
you
know
you
to
help
develop
some
of
those
standards
and
to
be
early
adopters
of
those
standards.
C
B
That's
a
a
very
compelling
mission
for
for
falcon
and
for
the
broader
crypto
world
to
lead
the
charge
to
have
web
3,
leading
the
charge
in
greenifying
energy
use
by
both
building
the
tooling
to
make
all
the
stuff
way,
more
verifiable
and
higher
quality,
and
so
on
also
way
more
way,
better
markets
that
can
connect
to
use
the
energy
producing
various
different
parts
of
the
world
and
whatnot
in
better
ways,
but
also
to
start
pushing
into
large
scales
to
contend
with
and
compare
against
major
industries
and
start
eventually
kind
of
overtaking
them.
B
I
think
that's
that's
a
phenomenal
mission
that
we
can
all
align
with
and-
and
we
can,
you
know,
push
forward.
It'll
take
many
years
to
get
there
and
it'll
make
take
all
of
us
working
together
towards
that,
but
that's
really
great,
so
maybe
to
set
benchmarks.
B
You
know
how
far
away
is
maybe
five
point
from,
or
or
rather
how
can
falcon
also
help,
not
just
other
crypto
networks,
but
maybe
cloud
storage
providers
that
are
that
are
not
yet
in
in
the
web
3
world
and
help
them
become
greener.
Or
you
know.
How
do
we
push
in
that
direction,
or
how
do
we
compare
ourselves
against
those
groups
which
are
not
kind
of
like
in
the
blockchain
space
they're
they're,
just
kind
of
normal
data,
centers
and
and
whatnot.
C
I
think
building
you
know
when
you
were
talking
about
sort
of
extending
these
tools
to
allow
developers
to
work
with
them.
I
think
building
endpoints
and
standards
to
really
allow
people
to
use
granular
data
on
whatever
you're
doing
right
and
and
chart
those
environmental
impacts
and
then
sort
of
apply
them
how
it
makes
sense
in
your
situation
right.
So
if
a
data
center
right
that
that
maybe
isn't
in
the
web,
three
worlds
wants
to.
You
know
use
some
of
the
tools
that
we're
developing
or
helping
develop
to.
C
You
know
give
a
similar
like
very
granular
interface
into
what
their
their
power
uses
and
then
connect
that,
to
you
know,
solar
or
wind
or
or
by
rex
or
something
you
know.
I
think
that's
a
really
compelling
use
case
or,
as
people
are
developing
you
know
all
sorts
of
different
different
markets
for
digital
goods.
Being
able
to
you
know,
take
your
take
your
nft
and
say:
okay,
where's
it
being
stored,
and
where
is
the
power
coming
from
to
store
it
right,
I
think,
is
really
going
to
give.
C
You
know
a
lot
of
different
types
of
players,
the
ability
to
sort
of
upgrade.
What
they're
doing
right-
and
I
think
that
that
really
does
you
know,
come
back
again
right
to
once
we
take
all
of
our
computer
infrastructure
and
sort
of
upgrade
it
with
these
primitives
to
make
it
verifiable
and
interoperable
we're
just
gonna
be
able
to
do
things.
You
know
throughout
the
economy
that
are
impossible
to
do
with
sort
of
legacy
systems.
B
That's
awesome
so
then
you
as
a
as
an
artist
or
as
an
nft,
collector
or
user.
You
could
map
to
how
much
green
energy
the
this.
The
storage
and
use
of
this
nft
maps
to,
and
you
can
sort
of
like
vote
with
your
your
fee
in
a
much
more
practical.
You
know
way
where
you
can
move
which
platforms
you
use
and
which
things
you
use
by.
B
You
know
moving
them
into
like
the
networks
that
are
gonna
cause,
the
the
most
benefit
and
again
not
not
stopping
at
zero
like
going
going
way
higher
than
that
and-
and
you
know
really
starting
to
avert
the
over
the
crisis.
Speaking
of
crisis,
so
you
know
the
the
we
have.
This
is
all
adding
up
to
this
major
challenge
in
the
world.
You
know,
first
of
all,
thank
you
for
starting
this
project
and
thank
angie.
Thank
you,
angie
and
thank
you
so
many
other
people
who
have
contributed
to
to
help
make
this
project.
B
You
know
get
it
off
the
ground
and
have
like
a
a
make,
a
serious
effort
to
both
greenify
popcorn,
but
also
use
that
to
green
file
of
crypto
and
then
over
time.
Greenify
the
rest
of
the
world
that
kind
of
provide
tooling
and
better
better
systems
to
get
there.
This
is
a
you
know:
it's
a
huge
mission.
It's
a
huge!
You
know
it's
a
tall
order
to
to
to
over
this
crisis,
one
of
the
big
challenges
of
our
of
our
for
the
entire
species
and
for
a
generation.
B
You
know
just
to
benchmark
it.
You
know,
I
think
the
ipcc,
the
intergovernmental
panel
on
climate
change,
says
we
have
until
2030
to
lower
carbon
emissions,
50
from
where
we
are
today,
which
is
a
staggering
amount,
and-
and
this
is
not
something
that,
like
the
world
is
on
track
to
you
at
all.
So
so
you
know
how
to
tell
us
like
how
aggressive
do
we
need
to
be
here
for
for
falcon
and
for
our
community
to
help
push
push
on
that
and
help
have
the
highest
impact.
You.
C
Know
this
really
ties
into
a
bunch
of
these
themes
that
have
been
coming
up
all
through
today,
right
so
in
2018,
the
ipcc
released
this
report
that
had
a
huge
impact
on
me
and
a
lot
of
other
people
where
they
they
modeled
emissions
pathways
over
the
next
century.
Right
and
they
said,
okay,
you
know
so
emissions
pathways
being
how
much
how
much,
how
much
co2
or
co2
equivalent
is,
is
being
released
and
what
would
a
sort
of
release
as
a
function
of
time?
C
Look
like
that
keeps
us
below
one
and
a
half
degrees
of
warming,
which
is
you
know,
we're
we're
close
right.
We're
we're
like.
We
don't
have
a
lot
of
carbon
budget
left
to
admit
and
what
they
showed
is
that,
in
order
to
you
know,
stay
below
one
and
a
half
degrees
and
to
to
sort
of
avert
the
worst
impact
of
climate
change.
C
Our
emissions
basically
have
to
peak
around
now,
like
20,
20
2001
and
then
decrease
by
50
by
2030,
so
like
globally,
like
super
bend
this
curve
down
and
then
most
of
the
pathways
they
looked
at
involved
significantly
negative
emissions
beyond
2050
right
so
like
we
really
have
to
like
take
the
entire
world
and
transform
the
economy
toward
this.
This
sort
of
carbon,
negative
economy-
and
that's,
I
think
you
know.
B
Grab
onto
the
steering
wheel
of
a
semi
and
like
yank,
it
all
the
way
really
fast
as
fast
as
possible.
Exactly.
C
Yeah
and
it's
it's
like
really
astounding-
and
I
think
that
you
know
one
of
the
things
that
that
crypto
is
amazing
at
right
is
identifying
problems
and
solving
them
really
quickly.
Right,
there's
just
this!
C
This
tremendous
amount
of
creativity
and
talent
in
the
industry
that
is,
is
you
know
just
just
working
full
speed
at
you
know,
fixing
whatever
problems
are
sort
of
on
their
radar
right,
and
so
I
think
you
know
we
really
need
to
to
sort
of
turn
that
as
a
community
to
decarbonizing,
crypto
and
decarbonizing
the
world
right,
and
so
I
think
that
you
know
one
of
the
things
that
we
can
do
in
the
very
near
future
is
buy.
C
A
lot
of
renewable
energy
which
is
going
to
you
know,
show
that
people
developing
solar
and
wind
have
sort
of
a
revenue
stream
from
from
crypto.
That,
like
you
said,
has
the
potential
to
also
support,
because
it
supports
your
sort
of
local
industry
right.
There's
there's
a
you
know
that
that
can
be
a
huge
motivating
factor
for
countries
and
communities
wanting
crypto
to
be
part
of
their
part
of
their
community
right,
and
then
I
think
you
know.
C
A
second
thing
we
can
do
right
is
upgrade
industry
standards
and
really
show
that,
because
of
the
way
that
we're
able
to
work
with
data,
and
because
we
have
this,
this
sort
of
very
granular
estimates
as
to
energy
use,
we're
able
to
hold
ourselves
to
a
higher
standard
than
legacy
industry
right
and
one
of
those
one
of
those
standards
is
taking
accounting
periods
and
shortening
them.
C
You
know,
ultimately,
you
know
maybe
to
a
month
and
then
beyond
that,
to
something
like
24
7
with
like
an
hour
accounting
period,
and
then
you
know,
I
think,
then
the
the
third
thing
right
is
to
not
only
set
those
standards
high,
but
also
just
to
make
them
really
verifiable
and
really
transparent,
and
then
I
think
you
know
once
we
build
those
tools
and
have
those
primitives
and
you're
really
able
to
take
environmental
attributes
and
work
with
them
in
smart
contracts.
Right,
that's,
I
think
just
gonna
unlock
all
of
this.
C
This
creativity
and
energy
that
we
can
really
you
know,
help
help,
support
and
channel
towards
solving.
You
know
one
of
the
biggest
problems
of
our
time.
B
There's
a
very
strong
possibility
that
not
only
strong
possibility,
but
I
think
it
is
very
likely
that
we
can
do
something
huge
here,
because
the
power
of
crypto
comes
down
to
the
scale
and
the
speed
that
you
get
when
you
deploy
large-scale
mechanism
mechanisms
right.
B
So
if
you,
if
you
design
a
good
mechanism
that
actually
works
and
has
like
a
smooth
gradient,
that
large
amounts
of
users
and
large
amounts
of
capital
and
energy
and
so
on,
can
flow
into
if
that's
scalable,
then
it'll
just
go
as
fast
as
possible,
and
so
I
think,
if
we
yeah,
I
think
I
think
the
scaling
part
will
be
way
easier
for
for
us
and
for
grypton
1
3
to
to
do
the
hard
part
is
going
to
be
in
getting
the
right
structures
and
the
right
mechanisms
and
so
on,
and
so
that
sounds
like
we
should
be
stepping
on
the
gas
on
not
on
the
gas.
B
Stepping
on
the
on
the
accelerator
pedal
of
like
your
electric
car
hooked
up
to
a
renewable
grid,
we
were
willing
to
change
that
that
the
lingo
we
should
be
greatly
accelerating
the
the
creation
of
a
bunch
of
the
all
this
tooling,
not
just
for
for
falcon
and
for
our
networks,
but
for
other
networks
and
for
other
other
systems.
B
And
so
this
maybe
says,
hey
have
a
ton
more
time
and
effort
be
put
into
hacking
on
tools
like
that
or
identifying
problems
and
diffusing
the
fact
that
those
are
problems
many
times
I'm
just.
I
find
it
staggering
that
there
are
a
bunch
of
problems
that
that
you
and
other
people
in
the
energy
community
know
very
well
and
a
lot
of
developers
and
other
builders
and
product
people
don't
know
about
and
if
they
did
like,
they
would
be
able
to
solve
them
like
relatively
quickly
and
and
a
lot
of
times.
B
It's
just
about
communicating
what
problems
exist
and
creating
a
very
strong
incentive
for
for
causing
that.
So
maybe
we
should,
you
know,
start
you
know
lots
of
both
hackathons
and
maybe
accelerator
pathways
for
teams
and
communities
and
and
startups
that
that
help
push
on
a
bunch
of
these
like
really
really
hard
problems
to
solve
so
yeah
sense.
B
Something
like
I
can
help
push
on
and
and
and
many
other
people
in
in
listening
to
this
now
can
help
push
on,
and
let's
end
on
that
note,
which
is
what
can
you
do,
what
can
other
people,
so
I
was
thinking
of
that
as
like.
What
can
I
do
right
now
to
like
help
help
this?
Let's
expand
on
what
can
other
listeners
and
what
can
people
in
the
audience
and
and
so
on,
do
to
to
help
with
this
massive
challenge.
So,
let's
just
go
by
by
some
categories.
B
What
can
so
we've
heard
about
storage
providers?
What
would
you
like
them
to
take
away
right
now
that
they
could
they
could
do
to
help
help
push
on
this.
C
Firstly,
sps
and
everyone
can
join
the
the
phil
green
slack
channel
where
we're
gonna
discuss
a
lot
more
of
this
and
announce
things
as
they
become
available,
and
you
know
hash
out
a
lot
of
the
standards
and
get
feedback
on
this,
and
I
think
you
know
a
few
things
to
sort
of
look
out
for
there
are
we're
going
to
be
releasing
this.
C
This
falcon
green
dashboard
in
the
next
few
weeks,
and
you
can
go
there
to
see
what
we
estimate
for
a
given
miner
id
the
the
estimated
energy
use
and
upper
and
lower
bounds
are-
and
you
know,
please
give
us
feedback
on
that
help.
Us
you
know,
make
it
more
useful
to
you
and
help
us
refine
refine
our
model.
If
you
have
more
more
sort
of
energy
data
there
that
we
can,
we
can
look
at
and
compare
and
keep
on
making
that
model
better
over
time.
C
C
Hopefully,
in
you
know
a
few
months-
and
you
know
please
again
sign
up
for
that
and
green
your
energies
and
give
us
feedback,
and
then
I
think
you
know
the
other
thing
is
is
a
lot
of
sps,
as
we
heard
in
the
panel
are
already
doing
this,
but
just
really
sort
of
thinking
creatively
on
like
how
can
your
operation
be
more
sustainable
and
we
really
want
to
expand
the
tooling
to
account
for
different
aspects
of
sustainability
right.
C
So
so
you
know,
hardware
is
an
example,
but
also
things
like
digital
net
metering
and
building
out
sort
of
more
of
the
tools
for
for
that.
C
As
we
are
building
these
tools,
we
really
want
to
give
developers
the
ability
to
under
to
to
be
able
to
work
with
environmental
attributes
and
be
able
to
factor
those
into
whatever
they're
building
right
so
and
and
part
of
that
is
transparency,
and
then
part
of
that
is
reduction,
and
then
part
of
that
is
mitigation
right
and
those.
Those
three
are
all
super.
You
know
they're
separable,
but
crucial
aspects
of
this
right
is
you
want
to
be
able
to
build
something
where
your
users
can
see
what
their
environmental
impact
is.
C
You
want
to
build
something
where,
because
of
the
the
design
choices
that
you
make
and
also
choices
that
that
your
users
potentially
make
they
can
lower
their
emissions
right.
So
so
data
is
much
more
useful
if
it's
actually
actionable
and
then
beyond
the
lowering
emissions
being
able
to
mitigate
them
with,
say,
say,
offsets
or
or
wrecks,
or
these
types
of
things
right.
C
So
so
you
know
really
thinking
along
those
lines
to
build
that,
and
you
know
we
really
want
to
support
you
in
in
building
all
of
this
and
making
crypto
green.
B
If
you're
a
falcon
community
member
listening
in
not
an
sp,
not
a
developer,
what
what
can?
What
can
they
do?
Please.
C
Join
the
the
slack
channel,
phil
green,
and
we
want
to
hear
you
know
what
other,
what
what
initiatives
are
you
part
of,
and
how
can
we
really
kind
of
work
with
you
to
build
those
bridges
and
build
sort
of
a
network
of
environmentally
conscious
with
reactors?
Right
and
really,
you
know,
can
we
collaborate
across
chain
to
you
know,
track
track
environmental
attributes
throughout
web3?
Can
we
work
with
you
to
you,
know
start
hackathons
or
you
know,
other
events
that
are
going
to
really
sort
of
catalyze
this
transition.
B
I'll
suggest
that
clients
that
clients
should
choose
sps
that
are
green,
so
use
fill
rep
and
go
check
on
on
their
score
and
and
choose
to
use
search
providers
that
are
that
are
green
and
hey
if
you're
involved
in
what
about
other
people
that
are
involved
in
other
crypto
communities,
what
can
they
do
to
to
participate
in
this
project
and
to
help
with
this
challenge?
There's.
C
Just
so
much
to
build
right,
so
we
we
really
want
to
build
this
tooling,
to
trace
these
environmental
attributes
through
whatever
project
you're
you're
part
of
right,
and
so
you
know
when,
when
you're,
when
you're
building
stuff
make
sure
that
sort
of
the
environmental
attributes
are
are
really
like
super
verifiable
and
see
how
we
can
help
you
in
supporting
tooling.
For
that
right.
That.
B
Sounds
great
and
probably
a
plug
for
other
communities
to
join
the
the
cca
as
well
and
and
help
support
a
lot
of
these
groups
that
that
are
really
helping
make
make
all
of
this
successful.
Well
ellen.
Thank
you.
That's
been
like
super
super
successful.
Are
you
planning
to
publish
a
roadmap
for
the
project
or
something
like
that?
Maybe
give
us
a
glimpse
into
you
know
the
next
few
months.
C
So
we're
gonna
be
publishing
along
with
the
dashboard
we're
going
to
be
publishing.
C
You
know
how
how
we
we
got
that
data
where
it
came
from,
and
you
know
how
we're
going
to
be
setting
these
these
tracks
for
measuring
renewables
right
where
we're
going
to
be
able
to
to
you
know,
look
at
the
environmental
attributes
associated
with
a
given
minor
id
and
sort
of
along
with
that
we're
going
to
publish
where,
where
we
are
now,
what
we've
done
and
where
we
see
this
going
and
sort
of
really
what
the
opportunities
are
to
push
all
this
forward
and
accelerate
this
work.
B
Thank
you
so
much
thank
you,
angie
for
inspiring,
ellen
and
and
helping
helping
get
all
of
this
off
the
ground
and
going
and
thank
you
to
so
many
other
people
that
are
that
have
been
working
on
making
falcoin
green
and
in
just
helping
lead
the
charge.
Hopefully
we
can
keep
the
momentum
up
greatly
grow
by
orders
of
magnitude
and
then
really
help
pave
the
way
for
for
the
rest
of
the
industry.
It's
been
really
phenomenal
to
to
see
this
change
and
you
know.
B
I
think
this
is
something
that
we
can
all
be
be
really
proud
of
and
and
there's
a
lot
a
ton
of
work
to
do
and
a
ton
of
impact
to
have.
B
But
this
is
starting
us
off
in
a
in
a
really
great
direction,
and
I
look
forward
to
you
know
checking
in,
like
I
don't
know,
yearly
and
see
where,
where
we
are
so,
let's,
let's
set
the
goal
that,
like
next,
let's
check
in
again
one
year
from
now
and
see
how
how
much
we've
we've
done
since
and
and
where
we
are.
Thank
you
to
everybody
participating
in
the
network
and
go
help,
save
ourselves
and
the
and
the
world
by
by
making
things
green.