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From YouTube: Panel with Filecoin SPs
Description
Many Filecoin Storage Providers (SPs) are making renewable energy and energy efficiency central to their operations. Hear from a panel of SPs discussing their approach to sustainability, how it has helped their businesses, and their future plans.
Moderator: Angie Maguire, Head of Growth, Protocol Labs
Kevin Huynh, Founder, PiKNiK
Alex Altman, CEO, Validation Capital
Benjamin Hoejsbo, Independent Storage Provider
Devin Johnson, Founder, Sol-Cap
Charles Cao, Founder, Swan Cloud
A
A
A
C
A
A
B
Yeah,
absolutely
so,
thanks
for
having
having
us
here,
picnic's
really
fortunate
to
be
one
of
the
storage
providers
who
joined
just
around
the
late
test
net
period,
we're
based
out
of
san
diego
california,
with
infrastructure
footprints
in
san
diego
in
las
vegas
and
then
upcoming
in
london.
Our
team's
about
20
fds
of
a
massive
falcon
or
ipfs
enthusiasts,
and
one
of
the
places
where
we
started
the
whole
company
was.
B
It
was
just
a
hobby
where,
quite
frankly,
out
of
a
home
environment,
we
racked
an
entire
that
once
out
of
the
house
with
solar
panels,
and
we
thought
this
was
kind
of
a
cool
way
to
empower
a
hobby
minor
because,
quite
frankly,
the
co-founders
of
picnic
and
I
come
from
immigrant
families,
and
we
were
always
families
in
third
world
countries.
Villagers
that
depended
on
mother
nature,
living
by
the
the
sun
living
by
the
moon
and
the
waters
for
for
sustainability.
B
So
our
company
again
started
as
really
just
a
hobby
around
the
testnet
period
with
those
solar
panels,
but
as
we
continued
to
grow
as
a
firm
and
formalize
and
start
to
go
after
a
real
storage
clientele,
it
just
made
a
lot
of
sense
that
we
stuck
true
to
those
roots.
Not
only
is
it
a
differentiator
to
be
green,
to
call
yourself
green
but
to
really
go
after
for
ethical
reasons,
green
that
is
not
carbon
neutral,
but
as
one
kept
mentioning
beyond
carbon
neutral.
B
It
makes
total
sense
to
use
web3
tech
to
be
the
authority
for
green
and
efforts
there,
but
it
allows
file
point
as
an
ecosystem
to
be
differentiator
that
all
the
mainstream
objections
to
proof
of
work
and
wasteful
cryptocurrencies,
wasteful
blockchain
networks,
filecoin,
could
be
so
much
different,
really
starting
with
the
sealing
process
and
the
proof
of
rep.
Sorry,
the
proof
of
space
really
requiring
a
lot
of
compute
power.
If
we
can
capture
all
that
in
greenways,
fallpoint
is,
is
would
be
a
leader
and
it
would
is
the
leader
of
the
web
3
space.
A
It's
fascinating
to
kind
of
get
the
background
there.
I've
heard
from
a
lot
of
folks.
I
do
remember
a
lot
of
folks
started
as
hobbyists
and
then
suddenly
you
know
this
became
a
business
and
it's
it's
wonderful
to
hear
that
you're
kind
of
sticking
to
your
core
values-
and
you
know
it's
absolutely
true-
to
say
that
many
of
the
people
in
this
battle
were
like
the
the
og's
of
green
file
coin.
You
know
you
were
doing
things
before
and
you
know
we
had
necessarily
started
moving
in
that
direction.
A
C
Yeah,
absolutely
so.
Seal
storage
technology
is
a
storage
provider
based
out
of
canada,
but
with
a
team
all
across
north
america.
It
was
created
about
eight
months
ago
with
the
management
team
at
a
validation
capital,
which
is
a
crypto
proof
of
stake,
validator
company
and
a
another
group
in
toronto.
C
Our
cto
is
actually
a
fellow
named
jacques
swanpool,
who
was
part
of
space
race
and
I'm
sure,
a
lot
of
you
guys
know
him
he's
very
active
in
the
slack
channels,
who
is
also
you
know
very
early
in
that
space
race
and
creating
a
minor
there
and
doing
a
video
earlier
in
the
year.
Our
team
right
now
is
about
10
and
where
we
really
like
to
become
one
of
the
larger
storage
miners
or
storage
providers
here
in
north
america
and
expand
globally
after
that,
and
when
it
comes
to
sustainability.
C
Even
though
that's
not
necessarily
true
right,
when
you
look
at
things
like
filecoin
and
you
know
other
networks,
it's
there's
really
a
big
difference
between
how
they
interact
with
environmental
concerns
right,
even
something
like
follow.
Coin
in
the
storage
space,
you
know
there's
a
lot
of
different
ways
that
we
interact
with
our
machines,
reducing
e-waste
because
there's
a
longer
lifetime
for
us.
C
Looking
at
renewable
energy
data
centers
or
if
you
know
we
can't
get
100
and
looking
at
wrecks
and
where
those
wrecks
are
sourced
and
how
that
interacts
with
our
systems
and
for
us
we've
got
our
operations
set
up
in
quebec
and
nevada,
so
both
sides
of
the
border,
as
we
said
in
renewable
energy
data,
centers
there
from
a
longer
term
sustainable
goals.
You
know
we'd
like
to
start
off
at
net
zero
and
it's
something
that
we
thought
being
a
newer
company.
C
We
had
the
opportunity
to
start
in
the
right
place
and
we'd
like
to
get
to
a
point
where
actually
get
to
something
that
we
either
call
net
zero,
plus
or
carbon
negative,
which
is,
is
using
our
proceeds
to
be
able
to
fund
restoration
projects
or
carbon
offsets
things
that
we
look
at
and
say
you
know.
How
can
we
be
something
that's
a
little
bit
different
right.
Web3
is
really
a
different
type
of
technology,
a
different
type
of
kind
of
world
that
we're
creating
here,
and
we
want
to
try
to
do
something.
A
Amazing,
thank
you
so
much
alex
and
that's
great
and
again,
you
know,
like
you,
said,
you're
a
small
company.
You
want
to
start
from
the
beginning
like
getting
on
board
board
with
this
stuff,
as
you
grow
and
scale
is,
is
really
exciting
and
web3
offers
us
those
opportunities.
One
referred
to
as
talked
earlier.
You
know
we
we
suddenly
have
access
to
to
so
many
opportunities
initiatives.
People
as
well,
like
all
of
the
amazing
people
that
we
have
here
today,
so
yeah
great.
A
E
So
I'm
here
as
an
independent
miner
and
actually
I'm
also
an
advisor
to
picnic,
so
I
know
all
about
the
projects
going
on
at
the
kevin
site,
but
but
but
my
setup
is
a
bit
different
because
I'm
not
in
a
big
data
center.
So
what
I've
been
working
on
is
well
on
on
one
side
is
like
being
emission-free
and
how
how
to
get
the
the
green,
the
clean
energy,
but
actually
also
what
happens
to
the
energy
that
I'm
using
so
because
I'm
not
in
a
big
data
center.
E
I
have
the
opportunity
to
actually
use
the
energy
crea
that
is
kind
of
done
in
my
in
my
minor.
So
what
I
do
instead
is,
I
think,
already
back
in
space
race.
I
did
a
video
where
there
was
some
funny
pictures
of
the
water
cooling
going
everywhere.
Basically,
it's
still
like
that,
so
my
my
office
floor
is
basically
heated
from
the
gpus
and
cpus,
so
it's
keeping
the
office
warm
and
then
to
to
capture
all
the
the
excess
heat
coming
from
hard
drives
and
so
on.
E
Everything
that
can't
be
kept
with
the
water.
Then.
Basically,
that
is
kind
of
the
sucked
out
of
the
room,
all
the
hot
air
and
then
enters
into
like
circulate
into
the
rest
of
the
building.
So
I'm
really
trying
to
see
you
know
if,
if
I
know
that
most
of
this
will
happen,
the
big
data
centers
and
big
data
centers
will
have
a
problem
with
where
the
energy
goes.
A
I
think
that's
a
really
really
important
point
like
there
are.
There
is
a
kind
of
pipeline
here.
It's
not
just
you
know
we
build
tools
and
then
it's
x
like
there
are
many
many
different
ways
that
we
can
work
together
again.
I
think
it
was
mentioned
in
a
couple
of
the
talks.
One
talked
about
it
as
well.
You
know
greenifying,
filecoin,
isn't
just
one
initiative
or
one
set
of
tools.
It's
many
different
things
and
so
yeah.
That's,
I
think,
that's
a
great
point.
I
do
remember
your
very
famous
underfloor
heating.
A
I
think
I
think
I
think
some
people
were
bothering
bothering
you
for
the
specs.
Afterwards
they
were
trying
to
get
their
own
offices
heated
with
their
file
partners,
but
no
like
just
absolutely
amazing
what
what
a
kind
of
brilliant
initiative-
and
I
remember,
being
delighted
by
it,
but
also
just
thinking
you
know
what
what
a
clever
way,
especially
as
an
independent
minor,
to
kind
of
grasp
like
take
those
fundamentals
and
put
them
into
taking
a
real
action,
and
I
bet
it's
great
in
the
winter
as
well.
Okay,
fantastic!
A
D
D
Petabyte
fully
solar
array
it'll
be
powered
by
batteries
at
night.
There
is
a
backup
connection
to
the
grid,
of
course,
but
otherwise
it's
100
green
energy,
100,
sustainable
and
from
there
our
goal
is
over.
The
next
three
to
four
years
is
to
put
up
about
19
more
of
these
sites
other
than
that.
Basically,
what
we're
trying
to
do
is
we're
trying
to
be
the
bridge
between
some
of
these
less
green
companies.
Oil
companies-
that's
really.
B
D
Big
one
another
big
one
that
we
are
involved
with
with
the
paper
industry,
the
paper
mills
on
timber
industry,
whatever
you
want
to
call
that,
and
so
traditionally
these
companies
aren't
really
green
companies
per
se,
but
what
they
can
do
is
they
can
move
their
data
storage
to
a
greener
option.
So
they
can't
they
do
have
that
option
for
their
scorecard.
They
can't
get
that
green.
Even
if
you
know
an
oil
company
is
never
going
to
be
a
green
company.
D
A
company
that
chops
down
trees
and
makes
paper
is
never
going
to
be
a
great
company,
but
they
still
can
do
what
they
can.
You
know
make
the
world
a
better
place
and
to
make
it
a
greener
place,
and
then
that's
kind
of
our
goal
is
to
connect
those
types
of
people
with
our
company
and
it's
really
a
three
prong
thing
so
number
one.
Is
we
needed
to
figure
out
a
way
to
get
the
solar?
D
So
luckily,
we've
teamed
up
with
a
couple
of
great
people,
they're
silent
partners
right
now,
but
this
will
be
in
the
very
very
near
future.
We'll
have
some
really
exciting
announcements
about
it,
but
we've
got
some
companies
out
of
south
carolina.
We've
got
the
energy
and
it's
looking
like,
we
may
even
have
some
excess
energy
to
where
we
can
actually
sell
back
to
the
powerpoint
community
in
the
form
of
wrecks,
to
encourage
other
people
to
kind
of
go
to
the
stream
route
as
well,
and
then,
of
course,
the
final
one.
D
I
believe
that
benjamin
mentioned,
you
know
the
waste
heat
thing,
we're
doing
some
really
interesting.
Things
learn
some
really
interesting
talks
with
some
good
people
in
the
industry
of
that
and
the
goal
is
to
get
about
10
to
15
efficiency
back
into
the
systems,
rather
than
just
wasting
just
going
away
completely.
D
Overall,
that's
that's
the
goal
is
you
know,
cleaner,
greener,
final
coin,
and
I
think
what
sets
us
apart
there
is
that
we,
you
know:
we've
got
the
solar
panels
right
there
on
site,
we're
bringing
in
the
modular
data
centers
and
setting
them
up
right
next
to
it,
and
we
can
do
this
with.
You
know:
wind
energy.
We
can
do
this
with
solar
there's,
even
some
talks
with
some
green
gas
companies
that
are
very
exciting
and
up
and
coming
yeah.
So
just
look
out
for
us
in
the
future.
It's
it's
all
green.
Thank
you.
A
Amazing,
I
love
it.
I'm
gonna
clean
our
green,
our
file
coin,
quite
right
and
yeah
again
good
to
get
to
hear
that
you're
looking
at
addressing
that
kind
of
heat
waste
side
of
the
funnel,
because
I
think
that's
something
that
isn't
talked
about
as
much
but
definitely
is
is
very.
Very
important
would
love
you
if
you
can,
if
you've
got
announcements,
I've
just
been
made.
A
If
you
want
to
share
the
links
in
the
chat
as
well,
I
think
everyone
would
be
excited
to
take
a
peek
and
we'll
keep
we'll
keep
an
eye
out
for
future
analysis
as
well.
Thank
you
so
much
and
take
us
home
charles.
If
you
can
tell
us
a
little
bit
about
your
operation
and
how
you
are
addressing
sustainability
so.
F
I'm
charles,
we
are
a
company
located
in
gabriel
canada.
We
are
started
as
a
business
from
the
test
night.
We
are
doing
as
working
as
a
storage
provider.
Currently
we
have
growing
from
a
small
team.
The
team
have
more
than
20
employees
distributed
in
north
america
and
asia,
so
we
recently
get
lots
of
service
requests
from
over
the
world.
We
get
clients
from
china.
We
get
a
client
from
us.
We
also
have
a
large
amount
of
kinds
in
canada
market.
F
So
all
the
energy
comes
from
water,
so
it's
renewable
energy,
we're
hosting
in
one
of
the
highest
standard
data
centers
in
montreal
and
cost
efficiency,
and
we
also
using
some
service
providing
for
not
just
storage
but
also
provide
services
for
diplomatic
industry.
We
have
companies
in
just
being
using
the
we
use
some
gpus
currently
or
using
for
breakpoint
and
storage
sitting
process
to
converting
some
of
them
to
provide
a
deep
learning.
F
So
this
is
quite
amazing,
so
our
team
is
half
of
the
team
is
focused
on
providing
service
storage
solution
to
better
users,
storage
and
the
process
and
the
other
side
we're
also
building
the
software,
came
to
doing
the
how
to
use
those
storage
for
computing
purpose.
So
we
participate
also
in
short
from
1.1
to
2.6,
and
then
we
get
lots
of
dual
development
to
provide
the
ipf
service
as
well.
So
we
can
use
the
battery
storage
gpu
everything.
A
I
love
it
we're
all
moving
to
canada
yeah.
No,
that's
great,
and
it's
good
again.
Those
geographic
considerations.
Obviously
at
five
point,
is
a
global
network
and
it's
important
for
folks
to
understand
the
benefits
of
different
like
different
locations
and
kind
of
how
that
can
contribute
to
kind
of
their
gratification.
A
So
yeah,
that's
great!
Thank
you
so
much
charles
I'm
going
to
go
back
through
in
the
same
order,
if
that's
okay
with
everyone
and
just
ask
a
little
bit
about
your
conversations.
So
if
you
store
data
for
clients,
does
environmental
sustainability
play
a
role
in
your
talks
with
them
kevin?
Do
you
want
to
kick
off?
Is
that
a
kind
of
conversation
that
you're
now
having.
B
Yeah,
absolutely
when
you
say
environmental
sustainability
and
storing
for
clients
or
potential
clients
that
that
definitely
comes
up.
I
think
all
the
storage
providers
here
would
agree
that
there's
this
entire
pitching
process
to
explain
to
a
potential
storage
customer
what
what
is
filecoin
and
when
the
word
blockchain
or
cryptocurrency
inevitably
comes
up.
There's
these
preconceived
notions
of
falcon
being
some
other
proof
of
work
like
a
network
and
before
that
permanently
taints.
B
Then
we
explain
that
there's
you
know
the
perks
and
benefits
of
file.
Coin-Based
storage.
It's
really
there's
a
little
bit
of
that
compute
through
the
concept
of
the
window
post
the
proof
of
space
time
that
happens
every
24
hours.
That
then
becomes
a
little
bit
more
palatable
yeah,
as
picnic
continues
to
pursue
university
clients
in
the
united
states.
B
What
we
find
is
explaining
that
picnic
does
everything
that
it
can
and
faulcon
is
an
overall
ecosystem
is
working
on
green.
By
that
we
mean
that
compute
intensive
stage
that
ingestion
of
data
is
offset
by
whatever
the
gold
standards
say,
although
they're
not
sufficient,
at
least
working
in
enterprise
facilities
that
do
focus
on
powering
a
hundred
percent
of
their
daytime
use
with
with
solar
power
and
then
picnic
explaining
that
one
of
its
goals
as
an
individual
company
is
to
pursue
renewable
battery
sources
throughout
the
24-hour
period,
even
at
sundown.
B
That
ends
up
becoming
a
differentiator,
as
I
mentioned
previously,
and
so
yes,
environmental
sustainability
absolutely
plays
a
role
in
talks
because
of
the
fact
that
there
are
these
preconceived
notions
when
it
comes
to
blockchain.
Again,
it's
just
a
matter
of
telling
that
story
to
these
potential
clients
that
the
company
started
with
these
off-grid
routes,
as,
as
you
know,
a
more
humble
hobby
and
then
now
at
enterprise
scale.
You
know
the
united
states
is
a
little
bit
behind
when
it
comes
to
turning
data,
centers
fully
green
when
they
claim
100
green.
A
C
Absolutely
so,
when
we're
looking
at
potential
clients,
we
have
to
look
at
our
own
kind
of
global
emission
standards
and
scope,
one
two
and
three
and
how
that
affects
us
as
a
company,
so
we're
looking
at
potential
clients
to
onboard.
We
have
to
see
you
know
what
kind
of
business
are
these
people
doing,
how
they,
how
they
interacting
with
that
and
what
are
their
standards
as
a
company,
and
this
again
goes
back
to
a
number
of
people
here.
I've
mentioned
geographical
standards.
C
So
for
us
you
know
a
lot
of
people
have
difficulty
trying
to
greenify
or
create
some
form
of
real
net
zero
standard
for
themselves,
and
they
have
to
look
at
all
aspects
of
their
business.
So,
looking
at
the
existing
storage
providers,
you
have
to
see
who
the
majors
are
and
are
they
carbon
neutral?
Are
they
carbon
negative
or
are
they
net
zero
and
how
does
that
fit
into
their
business
model
right?
A
Yeah,
absolutely,
I
think,
you've
touched
on
some
additional
points
there
to
kevin,
especially
around
kind
of
like
local
ordinances
and
and
and
kind
of
balancing,
all
of
all
of
those
things
which
are
which
are
very
important,
especially
as
a
as
a
client
kind
of
trying
to
make
those
decisions.
You
have
many
things
to
consider,
and
sometimes
that
plays
a
pretty
critical
role,
especially
at
scale
and
enterprise.
So
that
was
great,
then,
as
the
nd
as
a
kind
of
independent
storage
minor
like
is
this
something
that's
coming
up?
Is
it?
E
As
independent,
I
don't
think
we
have
many
of
these
conversations
yet
directly
with
the
the
clients,
but
obviously
this
is
a
general
thing
about
a
falcon.
I
think
one
of
the
important
things
here
for
being
a
storage
provider
is
that
you
know,
are
we
actually
able
to
look
ourselves
in
the
mirror
doing
this?
E
So
one
thing
is
that
yeah
we
buy
some
rigs
and
we
use
green
energy
and
so
on,
but
if
we
use
that
on
users
calculations
so
without
talking
bad
about
other
blockchain
technologies,
but
you
know
basically
is
the
the
like
the
basic
idea
of
how
the
protocol
works.
Is
that
actually
something
that
makes
sense
in
an
energy
efficient
way,
but
doesn't
make
sense-
and
I
think
the
good
thing
or
to
start
with
the
bad
thing,
is
that
it's
quite
complex
to
tell
a
client
about
how
falcon
works
and
why
it
does
what
it
does.
E
But
then
again,
you
know
once
you
get
over
that.
The
good
thing
is
that
in
general
we
are
not
doing
anything
for
for
fun
or
just
for
a
simple
competition
or
anything.
It
has
a
purpose
to
actually
show
that
you
have
the
data
that
you
say
it
that
you
store.
That
makes
really
good
sense
and
hey
you
get
consensus
next
to
it,
and
I
think
that
going
down
the
road
one
thing
is
to
figure
out.
How
can
we
make
this?
You
know
even
these
setups
go
off
grid
if
possible.
E
But
another
thing
is
that
you
know
now
that
we
have
a
consensus
mechanism
which
is
not
using
terrible
amounts
of
energy.
You
know
what
else
could
we
use
that
for
and
kind
of
expand
that
into?
I
think
there
could
be
some
future
for
falcon
in
that
as
well,
because
I
really
think
that
the
the
you
know
this
this
kind
of
setup,
where
we
are
doing
storage
or
providing
storage
and
basically
running
that,
but
we
also
have
this
consensus
mechanism
running
around
it.
A
Yeah
definitely
agreed,
and-
and
it's
it's
interesting
like
because
you
know
you're
having
like
everyone
here-
is
having
slightly
different
conversations
right,
it's
very
dependent
on
your
business
model
and
how
you're
kind
of
approaching
things
you
know
kevin.
You
started,
like
you
said
as
an
indie
shop
and
then
scaled,
then
you're
still
kind
of,
and
then
charles
you're
working
at
a
kind
of
a
really
really
big
scale.
A
So
it's
really
fascinating
to
kind
of
hear
what
stage
you
know,
sustainability
and
kind
of
greenness
is
coming
into
the
conversation
or,
if
it
even
is
yet,
but
also
like
there's
good.
This
is
bringing
up
some
important
issues
around
like
how
we
explain
bile
coins
like
how
do
we,
how
do
we
simplify
explanations
or
how
can
we
be
clearer
in
different
areas?
I'll
be
straight
back
to
my
desk
after
this
panel?
Okay,
great
so
I'm
gonna
switch
switch
up
a
little
bit
devon
and
charles.
If
you'll.
A
Allow
me
we
have
a
question
from
the
crowd.
Measurement
of
energy
use
and
location-based
matching
of
energy
consumption
are
major
issues
in
space
and
distributed
systems
present
unique
challenges.
How
do
you
think,
falcoin
and
crypto
more
broadly,
should
estimate
energy
use
and
location
beyond
just
using
on-chain
proofs
devon?
Do
you
want
to
kick
us
off
on
that
one
so.
D
What
we've
kind
of
come
up
with?
Actually
it's
already
an
existing
technology,
just
kind
of
slightly
repurposing
it,
and
that
is
digital
net
metering.
A
lot
of
electric
companies
and
things
are
already
doing
it.
But
by
using
the
digital
net
meter
we
can
tell
you
know
basically
to
a
what
is
being
used
when
it's
being
used.
D
A
F
That,
and
in
my
in
in
the
industry,
I'm
currently
working
this
we're
working
with
lots
of
companies
in
machine
learning
and
the
primary
lack
of
using
aws
services
like
under
some
services
providers.
They
hosted
their
servers
just
at
home
or
even
like
in
our
office.
So
from
the
some
regions
like
in
ontario
or
even
in
calgary
speaking
about
canada,
those
provinces,
some
of
them,
are
using
oil
and
the
gas
and
some
of
them
the
pure
gas.
Those
are
a
lot.
F
Those
are
like
not
really
like
environmental
friendly,
but
it
also
has
an
impact
of
the
laws
you
know
like
like.
There
may
be
political
issues
that
comes
because
you
maybe
have
a
test
credit,
so
increase
the
the
price
of
your
cost
when
you're
doing
the
industrial
storage
and
the
calculation.
So
based
on
this
consideration,
when
the
storage
from
a
larger
scale
and
also
computing
goes
to
last
scale,
those
companies
like
will
have
issues
that
one
day
they
might
be
forced
to
migrate
their
data
to
a
more
eco-friendly,
more
eco-green
places
like
stay
visit.
F
The
existing
and
waiting
for
the
day
come
it's
better.
We
started
doing
the
now.
So
franklin
storage
is
really
good
in
this
part,
but
so
many
stories
provided
over
the
world.
Currently
we
have
more
than
three
thousand
node,
so
we
have
really
lots
of
places
can
distribute
those
risks
because
sorry
not
risk.
We
can
distribute
the
storage
to
the
friendly
place
and
a
more
regulated
pace,
so
it's
very,
very
good
for
them.
Also
for
them
more
about
the
existing
infrastructure.
F
We
have
currently
have
more
than
1000
servers
posted
in
our
data
centers,
so
sound
on
them
is
providing
storage
services
and
lots
of
gpus
like
currently.
Some
of
them
are
doing
the
indexed
labels
by
using
the
industry
calculation.
I
believe
that
we
can
get
lots
of
tax
credits
or
carbon
credits
which
can
be
used
for
the
exchanges
in
the
future.
A
All
right,
thank
you
so
much
charles
again,
adding
an
additional
perspective
there
we're
getting.
This
is
great
we're
getting
some
questions
and
people
are
watching
the
live
stream
and
we're
getting
some
questions.
So
I'm
gonna
share
one
more.
What
role
can
falcon
play
in
transitioning
to
green
crypto?
More
broadly
kevin?
Do
you
want
to
kick
us
off.
B
So
yeah
the
question
about
how
can
falcon
help
transition
toward
green
crypto?
More
broadly,
I
think,
there's
when
I
think
of
that
question.
I
immediately
think
of
this
famous
quote
from
macbeth.
It
was
with
all
great
neptune's
ocean
washed,
this
blood
clean
from
my
hand,
it's
been
maybe
a
decade
and
a
half
since
that
class
in
secondary
school
in
high
school.
B
I
still
remember
that
quote,
because
it
was
the
idea
of
macbeth
had
committed
something
that
was
now
guilty
on
his
conscience
and
even
with
water
or
with
something
you
couldn't
clean
yourself
of
that
today,
as
I
think
others
have
mentioned
in
the
united
states,
we're
a
little
bit
behind
with
green
energy,
especially
in
the
I.t
world.
When
we
say
things
like,
we
recall
claim
to
100
renewable,
it's
really
just
an
accounting
trick
where
you're
you're
you're
that
100
claim
is
really
subpar.
B
You're
cleaning,
your
conscience,
calling
yourself
green
as
a
marketing
optic
where
you
buy
these
wrecks
or
you
do
something,
and
it's
really
kicking
the
can
down
the
road,
and
it
doesn't
really
wipe
that
company's
green
claim.
Clean
of
that,
I
guess
dirty
deed.
It's
when
it
comes
to
crypto
there's
a
reason
for
using
the
electricity
that
we
do
use
it's
a
matter
of
not
just
security.
B
That's
already
one
like
inherent
difference
that
we
have
now
thinking
about
all
the
compute
energy
use
that
we
have
to
have
as
a
result
of
ceiling
and
proof
of
space
proof
of
rap
po
rep.
Then
that's
really
a
space
for
innovation
and
filecoin,
the
plt
and
the
foundation
and
the
ecosystem
within
falcoin.
Already
thinking
about
this,
this
early
on
will
enable
us
to
set
some
sort
of
standard
that
is
so
much
greater
than
what
exists
without
kind
of
pointing
fingers
of
other
ecosystems
allows
us
to
set
some
standards
that
others
can
follow.
A
It's
something
that
we
discussed
like
we
have
discussed
like
many.
Many
times
is,
like
you
know,
it's
rising.
Tides
like
you
know
to
like
be
the
example,
and
you
know
and
help
everyone
like
you
know.
Our
chilling
is
open
source
like
we,
you
know
the
pointing
fingers
thing
is,
you
know
daft
right,
we're
all
grown
ups
and
it's
kind
of
the
the
the
opportunity
to
say.
A
Okay,
you
know
what
this
is
working
for
us
like
do
you
want
to
come
and
contribute
to
this
like,
let's
find
a
way
where
that
would
like.
We
can
integrate
this
into
your
system,
but
really
it's
got
to
be
like
across
like
a
cross-chain
effort.
It
doesn't
just
depend,
it
doesn't
just
start
and
finish
with
filecoin.
We
really
feel
that
I'm
deeply
internally
as
well.
This
is
something
that's
much
broader
and
for
all
of
us,
as
part
of
the
web
3
kind
of
ecosystem
overall
alex.
A
C
Well,
I
think,
there's
something
that's
you
know
really
interesting
about
file
coin
and
I
spent
a
lot
of
time
looking
at
you
know
all
sorts
of
different
crypto
networks
and
different
consensus
mechanisms.
You
know
the
the
consensus
mechanism
that
falcon
has
already
actually
allows
you
to
use
the
resource
that
you're,
creating,
which
I
think
is
either
unique,
or
maybe
there's
someone
that
I've
never
heard
of
that's
doing
it
as
well,
but
everybody
else
is
really
just
creating
or
using
resources
and
wasting
it.
C
C
Is
that
there's
such
a
mishmash
of
different
standards
and
requirements,
and
nobody
really
is
on
the
same
page
as
anybody
else.
So
we've
kind
of
come
to
the
conclusion
that
the
the
best
thing
to
be
doing
is
really
just
disclose
what
you're
doing
and
why
you're
doing
it
and
let
people
make
up
their
own
decisions.
So
I
think
it's
both
a
compliment
and
a
suggestion
is
you
know
it's
very
exciting
that
you
guys
have
taken
this
initiative
to
increase
transparency
and
allow
storage
fighters
and
other
network
participants
to
take
advantage
of
that.
A
We're
on
the
same
page
alex
no,
that's
like
yeah,
absolutely
agree
there
and
yeah.
I
think
that's
something
like
we
want
to
be
open.
We
want
to
be
transparent
and,
like
we
invite
everyone
else
to
do
the
same
thing
as
well.
I
think
it's
great.
We
can
all
work
together
and
move
forward.
Then
you've
got
no
limits.
What
do
we
do?
Next?
What
can
fog
especially
like
again
you're
bringing
kind
of
an
independent
storage
provider
perspective
as
well,
and
what
do
you
believe
will
can
help
folks
in
your
position.
E
As
an
independent,
I
would
say
that
falcon
needs
to
be
as
distributed
as
possible
as
possible
all
around
the
globe.
So
so,
as
a
small
storage
provider,
I
I
would
actually
like
to
see
some
kind
of
model
where
it
is
possible
to
to
run
it
like
from
smaller
facilities,
not
only
from
really
large-scale
data
centers,
but
also
maybe
in
facilities
where
you
know.
In
my
perfect
view
of
the
future,
I
actually
like
very
much
the
whole
idea
of
having
this
kind
of
a
fork.
E
Computing
concept,
so
say
that
you
have
an
office
space
and
then
in
the
basement
you
might
have
some
hardware
remotely
controlled
there
by
some
provider,
but
basically
that's
kind
of
what
brings
you
hot
water.
What
brings
you
all
the
yeah?
You
know
heating
and
so
on
for
for
that
specific
facility,
so
you
maybe
look
into
not
only
having
these
now.
We
are
obviously
decentralizing
much
more
than
compared
to
to
the
few
cloud
big
cloud
providers,
but,
but
still
you
know,
I
think,
in
the
future,
maybe
not
near
but
longer
future.
E
This
could
actually
be
something
that
goes
so.
Infrastructure
lives
with
with
the
with
houses
and
so
on,
and
basically
that
you
have
some
kind
of
setup
where
you
make
sure
that
when
you
are
using,
the
energy
is
kind
of
connected
to
also
other
purposes,
but
I
know
for
the
protocol
as
it
is
right
now.
E
There
is
a
lot
of
things
pointing
at
you
might
want
to
look
like
a
a
pretty
pretty
much
like
a
t1
data
center,
and
I
I
think
there
you
know,
so
there
is
a
way
to
go
there
before
we.
We
can
look
at
different
models,
how
you
could
facilitate
having
something
like
that,
but
but
yeah,
that's
kind
of
my
like
view
for
where
I
would
like
to
go
somewhere
in
the
future.
A
Having
chats
like
this
in
conversations
like
this
is
how
we
kind
of
like
bring
these
things
up
and
say,
like
you
know,
I
think,
there's
a
path
here
like
let's
figure
it
out
together,
let's
build
back
so
yeah
like
it's
wonderful,
we're
gonna
all
have
to
get
into
the
film
green
channel
after
this
and
start
start
planning
some
projects,
definitely
devin.
What's
your
thoughts
here,
what
can
falcon
do?
First,.
D
Well,
most
of
them
are
kind
of
ignoring
the
problem
or
just
recently
figuring
out
problems
that
you
and
I
and
everybody
you've
been
working
on
this
for
quite
some
time
and
it's
great
to
finally
see
its
fruition.
So
I
think,
first
of
all,
what
we're
doing
right
now
is
what
we're
supposed
to
be
doing
as
far
as
what
we
need
to
do
in
the
future,
is
we
just
need
to
figure
out
a
way
to
incentivize
miners,
to
you
know,
go
green.
A
Ultimately,
now
listen
short
and
sweet
and
you're
right
and-
and
that's
definitely,
you
know,
there's
there's
a
kind
of
like
yes,
we
can
build
it.
Yes,
we
can
make
these
tools
like.
We
can
build
these
tools.
We
can
make
things
available,
but
what
are
the
next
steps
like,
and
you
know
how
do
we
properly
and
fairly
incentivize
folks
to
kind
of
choose
that
path
over
other
paths
and
so
yeah
very,
very
important?
A
Definitely
something
we're
thinking
about
deeply
but
we'd
love
to
have
other
perspectives,
so
yeah,
a
very
good
call
out
and
good
point.
Charles
charles
tell
us,
I'm
sure
you've
got
great
thoughts
here.
What
else
can
falcon
do?
What
do
you
see
in
the
future?
How
can
we
make
a
really
big
impact?
Well,.
F
Now,
like
I
think,
of
pregnant
people
very
great
in
network,
but
we
still
need
to
encourage
more
people
join
our
network
and
also
make
it
throwing
more
data.
Now
we
have
lots
of
like
infrastructure
labels.
We
still
have
some
storage,
provided
they
need
to
be
trained
to
provide
more
services.
These
are
like
service
quality,
so
we
can
get
more
industry
usage
security
partners,
like
I'm
glad
I'd
like
to
participate
in
today's
event,
so
we
know
that
we
started
moving
toward
green,
so
we
needed
to
pass
this
information
to
our
clients.
F
I
mean
it's
like
to
add
to
our
materials
and
adding
to
each
story.
The
provider
should
tell
our
clients
about
the
great
benefits
about
the
hybrid,
like
strange,
ingrain,
calculation
in
green
and
the
entire
blockchain,
to
bring
so
to
differentiate
ourselves
from
the
normal
storage
projects.
Like
sorry,
normal
of
pro
pow
projects,
like
there's
lots
of
people
still
thinking
that
freight
coin
is
a
pow,
so
proof
of
work,
so
provo
means
that
energy
consumption,
but
we're
not
just
energy
consumption,
but
we're
also
doing
things
for
good.
So
this
is
really
like.
A
Yeah
to
pick
out
there,
this
is
the
utility
network,
like
it's
useful
storage,
yeah.
All
of
these
things,
kind
of
raising
our
voices
more
and
I'm
really
kind
of
leaning
into
that
messaging
and
making
people
aware.
I
think
it's
gonna
be
important
right.
I
have
one
more
question
for
each
of
you
and
then
you
are
dismissed
from
the
panel.
I'm
gonna
start.
Let
me
see:
let's
go
backwards.
Charles
I'm
gonna
start
with
you.
A
If
that's
okay,
you
have
two
companies
in
the
space,
so
you've
got
swan
cloud
and
nebula
ai
swan
cloud
belt,
false
one
which
connects
clients
to
storage
providers
and
nebula
nebula
ai
provides
to
distributed
cloud
cloud.
Ai
services.
How
do
you
see
the
customers
of
these
services
shaping
the
need
for
verifiably
green
services
in
the
future?
Wow.
F
It's
quite
an
interesting
topic
like
in
the
beginning,
like
we
just
we
putting
in
the
storage
market,
because
we're
dealing
with
that
without
storing
their
american
do
anything
so
after
one
year
of
development
show.
What
is
amazing
is
that,
as
long
as
we
exploring
the
storage
from
one
server,
10
server,
1000
1000
server,
what
is
bringing
up
that
will
prove
the
capability
of
management
of
servers
and
also
improve
the
capability
to
bring
up
the
storage
in
scale.
F
And
when
we
talking
about
our
clients
in
different
location
locations,
we
found
that,
for
example,
in
ontario
yeah.
Their
electricity
cost
is
really
high
because
they
are
not
100
rely
on
hydro
and
they
have
lots
of
like
a
high
cost
of
them.
So
they
are
very
interesting
to
move
to
a
green
place
with
hydro.
Energy
is
lower
consumption
also
because
the
gimbic
have
a
very
cold
temperature,
where
you
have
minus
40
in
the
winter,
it's
not
from
the
special.
F
So
those
are
all
the
advantages
and
then
we'll
convince
them
that,
even
even
though
now
the
only
story
is
with
us,
but
we
have
so
many
service.
We
can
ready
to
use,
and
also
we
see
that
some
storage
restart
now-
maybe
just
not
putting
in
franklin
yet
as
a
backup
layer,
but
they
are
so
interested
one
day
to
migrate
from
the
amazon
or
other
cloud
service
provider
to
fragment,
because
the
cost
effective
because
of
the
environment
friendly,
there's
a
lot
of
reasons.
F
So
we
provide
those
kind
of
information,
that's
so
interesting
and
also
with
the
gpus,
as
people
may
know
that
it's
just
so
hard
to
get
the
gpus
recently
because
of
the
productivity
of
the
electrical
components.
So
with
private
network
we
have
so
many
resources,
some
of
them
that
can
be
reused.
So
this
is
another
kind
of
reuse,
energy
or
we
use
equipment.
So
that's
very
effective
for.
A
F
A
Awesome,
that's
great!
Thank
you!
So
much
and
yeah,
like
you,
said
optionality,
you
know
it's
as
soon
as
people
line
these
things
up
alongside
each
other.
If
the
green
credentials
are
there
that
potentially
will
motivate
you
to
to
move
in
that
direction
over
another
okay,
great
alex,
it's
gonna
mix
it
up
for
fun,
alex
seal
storage
is
very
far
along
in
the
emissions
estimation
piece
of
the
renewable
crypto
puzzle,
what
factors
into
your
emissions
estimates
and
how
do
you
see
those
estimates
evolving
over
time.
C
We
are,
as
you
said,
we're
quite
far
along
in
terms
of
establishing
what
our
process
is
going
to
be,
and
we've
got
a
two-fold
process.
The
first
is
going
to
be
ongoing
disclosure
and
that's
going
to
have
a
dashboard
on
the
website
where
people
could
go
and
look
at
mostly
mostly
calculating
the
energy
usage
and
where
that
energy
is
coming
from
and
what
area
and
what
grade
it's
coming
from
and
the
varying
effects
from
that
on
an
ongoing
basis.
C
There
will
also
be
other
other
disclosures
throughout
the
year
that
include
more
in-depth
aspects
of
the
company
that
would
go
to
a
scope
two
of
emission
sets,
so
we're
just
in
the
process
of
establishing
how
that's
gonna
work
and
how
the
reporting
is
gonna
be
done,
and
you
know
what
can
be
automated,
there's
a
certain
level
of
tools
that
you
guys
have
created.
There's
additional
tools
out
there
in
the
market
that
we're
looking
at
how
to
plug
that
into
our
systems.
C
But
there's
also
going
to
be
a
certain
level
of
manual
pieces
that
are
going
to
have
to
go
into
how
we
calculate
this.
So
looking
at
our
initial
emissions
is
really
heavy
heavily
focused
on
energy
usage,
but
then
there'll
be
you
know
additional
that
will
have
to
start
doing
the
transportation
of
equipment
and
movement
of
staff,
and
you
know,
as
the
company
scales
and
increase
size
and
various
geographical
locations.
It's
understanding
how
that
affects
our
our
disclosures
and
what
the
various
rules
and
regulations
are
in
those
places.
C
So
it's
really
going
to
be
an
ongoing
process
and
just
starting
here
from
the
beginning
of
where
are
we
now
and
what
are
our
biggest
pieces?
And
then,
where
are
the
areas
that
are
going
to
get
bigger
over
time?
So
yeah?
That's,
I
think
the
the
biggest
issues
for
us
now
are
how
complicated
the
energy
grids
are,
and
you
know
we
have
potential
for
using
off-site
compute
or
we
have
additional
cookie
coming
into
different
areas.
So
it's
really
a
complex
calculation,
but
we're
we're
slowly
getting
our
handles
on
it.
A
Thank
you
so
much
alex
listen.
I
have
a
million
more
questions
for
all
of
you.
I
feel
like
I
could
talk
all
day,
but
we
do
have
some
other
great
talks
coming
up,
so
I'm
going
to
hand
over
the
floor.
I
just
want
to
say
a
huge
thank
you
to
kevin,
alex
ben
devin
and
charles
for
joining
me
today
and
sharing
your
perspectives
and
your
insights.
Let's
continue
the
conversation
over
in
falcon
slack
and
phil
green.
I
do
have
more
questions
for
you
from
the
audience.