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A
Hello,
everyone
thank
you
to
my
colleague,
john
I'm,
also
working
on
team
planet,
so
we're
in
that
same
boat.
I
actually
haven't
done
a
slide
deck
or
a
pitch
in
the
last
five
years
since
I
was
a
founder,
so
this
is
kind
of
a
debut
again
for
me.
So
thank
you.
I
am
gonna
talk
and
I'm
happy
for
john
because
he
set
the
stage
a
little
bit
with
that
going
into
the
mrv
space
and
the
mrv
space
is
really
not
that
much
focused
on
carbon
right.
A
Carbon
is
just
one
element,
but
that
is
just
like
the
poorest
proxy,
but
the
best
proxy
that
we
have
developed
so
far
for
planetary
health
and
I'm
going
to
talk
a
little
bit
about
natural
capital
beyond
carbon
today,
and
so
my
background
is,
in
climate
tech,
I've
been
working
in
climate
tech
for
the
past
10
years,
I've
been
working
in
energy
mobility.
I've
been
building
a
fund
climate
tech
fund
over
the
last
three
and
a
half
years
been
investing
in
different
projects.
A
Also,
agriculture
and
carbon
projects
as
well
and
I've
been
personally
investing
in
crypto
in
2007
from
2007
until
now,
and
then
I
just
had
the
opportunity
in
october
when
there
was
a
big
experiment.
I
think
that
launched
in
august
with
klima
and
toucan
to
see
that
to
ask
questions
to
not
get
good
answers,
and
that
was
what
drove
me
into
that
space,
because
I
did
see
the
the
huge
potential
of
this
space.
But
I
didn't
see
that
we
were
on
the
right
track
to
capture
that
potential.
A
So
that's
why
I
decided
to
go
full
time
into
refi
to
into
regenerative
finance
and
just
six
months
I
joined
the
climate
collective
and
who
that
is
I'm
going
to
talk
to
you
about
as
well.
So
first
I'm
going
to
talk
shortly
about
the
climate,
collective,
I'm
going
to
tell
you
a
little
bit
about
nature
back
currencies.
If
you
haven't
heard
that
term.
A
Yet
I'm
going
to
talk
about
the
opportunity
about
the
size
of
the
opportunity,
because
when
we
talk
about
the
voluntary
carbon
market,
it
is
municipal
to
the
size
that
we
need
and
to
the
size
that
we
have
of
the
opportunity
and
the
last
one.
Of
course,
I'm
going
to
talk
about
natural
capital,
so
the
climate,
collective
and
you've
actually
seen
the
map
on
the
right
already
from
john,
because
we
worked
together
on
that
with
the
climate,
collective
and
john
and
the
refi
dow.
A
We
are
trying
to
expand
basically
the
climate
and
crypto
space
right,
and
so
we've
got
5
million
cello
from
the
cello
treasury
to
put
into
grants
and
to
develop
membership
events
and
also
advocacy
towards
politicians
to
basically
bring
this
space
forward.
And
so
a
lot
of
founding
members
are
here
today
from
the
climate,
collective
and
also
a
lot
of
grantees
and
future
grantees
here
from
the
climate,
collective
and
yeah.
A
So
the
idea
is
to
increase
the
high
quality
supply
of
natural
capital
to
enable
nature-backed
currencies
and
what
are
nature-backed
currencies
so
to
understand
basically
money.
I
think
that
we're
a
little
bit.
We
talked
a
little
bit
about
that
and
I'm
not
going
to
go
into
depth,
but
money
was
in
a
long
time
was
backed
by
something
right.
I
was
backed
by
gold
typically,
and
so,
if
you
were
to
go
and
mine
gold,
you
could
go
somewhere
and
redeem
it
for
money.
A
So
what
if
you
turn
that
upside
down,
and
instead
of
gold
and
extracting
gold
or
extracting
oil
or
extracting
gas
and
redeem
it
for
money?
What
if
you
were
paid
to
basically
protect
and
regenerate
regenerate
nature
right,
and
so
that
is
the
idea
of
nature
back
currency
and
then,
oh
sorry,
no,
I
already
spot
you
so
nobody's
seen
that
yes,
so
what
do
you
think
is
necessary?
So
first
question:
how
many
gigatons
have
we
emitted
globally
in
all
of
history
as
a
human
species
gigatons?
A
A
A
More
24
24
trillion
very
good
somebody,
but
I
said
how
much
would
it
cost
us?
Actually,
it
would
save
us,
because
this
is
an
investment
to
not
only
remove
and
avoid
these
1
600
tonnes
gigatons
right,
but
we
would
also
save
140
trillion
tons
over
the
lifetime,
and
that
number
is
coming
from
project
drawdown
and
project
radon.
My
opinion
is
one
of
the
most
credible
sources.
If
you
look
for
cost-effective
climate
action
solutions,
basically
so
24
trillion
sounds
like
a
lot.
Anybody
has
an
idea.
A
A
A
23
trillion
adds
up
very
nicely,
I
think
so
what
is
to
say
these
are
big
numbers,
but
we
can
get
there
right
and
how
do
we
get
there?
So
on
this
chart
you
see
an
orange
on
the
bottom.
I
don't
know
if
I
have
no
anyway,
you
see
the
bottom
little
dot,
that
is
a
1
billion,
and
that
is
the
voluntary
carbon
market.
Last
year,
then
we
see
on
the
right
and
an
orange
red.
Maybe
here
is
a
50
billion.
A
That
is
the
estimation
of
the
voluntary
carbon
market
in
2030
right,
so
we
need
to
go
50x
in
nine
years.
That's
a
big
growth
right.
On
the
other
hand,
there
is
a
five
billion,
and
this
is
the
market
cap
of
all
stablecoins.
In
2020,
then
we
had
a
big
hype
and
now
we
have
a
big
crash
and
we're
still
at
150
billion
this
year.
Okay,
so
we
grew
from
5
billion
to
150
billion.
A
Now,
if
you
try
to
put
a
circle,
maybe
in
2030
here-
where
would
that
be
and
how
big
would
it
be?
It
would
most
likely
be
in
the
trillions
right,
and
so
if
we
manage
to
capture
a
percentage
of
that,
maybe
a
significant
percentage
and
do
not
back
it
by
usdc
do
not
back
it
by
btc,
do
not
beg
it
by
eth,
but
by
b,
maybe
by
nature
that
could
have
a
much
outsized
impact
in
terms
or
in
comparison
to
the
voluntary
carbon
market,
and
so
before.
A
Basically,
I
talk
about
the
different
forms
of
natural
capital.
I
just
want
to
acknowledge.
It
is
very,
very
hard
right.
There
are
lots
of
challenges
and,
like
lots
of
reasons
of
why
you
cannot
do
it
right
and
mrv
is
probably
the
the
biggest
one
right
now,
just
because
we're
also
missing
some
tools
there,
but
there
are
financial.
There
are
technical
issues
as
well.
There
are
legal
issues
because
we're
dealing
with
the
legal
system
that
was
not
set
up
to
deal
with
internet
or
blockchain
or
any
of
that
right.
So
there
there
are
huge
challenges.
A
A
There
is
the
impact,
so
how
much
good
does
it
do?
There
is
a
yield
which
can
also
be
a
risk,
adjusted
return
right.
So
basically
how
much
money
do
I
make?
If
I
invest
in
that-
and
I
want
to
think
of
investing
in
natural
capital
and
not
like
paying
costs
for
natural
capital,
and
then
there
is
the
liquidity.
A
So
how
quickly
can
I
sell
it
if
my
teleterra,
stable
coin,
starts
to
drop
right,
so
this
is.
This
is
very
important.
When
it
comes
for
stable
coin
backing,
it
can
be
important
for
other
actors
as
well,
because
if
you
have
an
illiquid
asset
and
you
want
to
sell
it
well,
then
the
natural
capital
is
basically
bankrupt
right,
so
it
doesn't
work
either,
and
so
these
are
usually
so.
A
I
frame
it
as
a
trilemma,
and
I
have
that
from
untangled,
which
is
a
company
that
is
also
working
in
the
climate,
collective
ecosystem
and
they
are
usually
at
odds
at
each
other.
So
usually
you
two
out
of
three.
I
think
we
are
seeing
emerging
holy
grail
solutions
that
are
very
small
scale
that
are
in
the
middle
of
that
I
myself
as
a
climate
tech
vc.
I
think
the
the
middle
way
for
me
is
just
to
invest
in
startups,
but
that
again
is
not
scalable
again
right.
A
So,
but
this
is
this
is
the
trilemma
and
then
going
into
different
forms
of
natural
capital,
starting
with
what
has
been
discussed
at
length
today
here,
the
carbon
credits,
I
think
the
the
much
more
important
part
of
that
is
really
the
futures
and
forwards.
What
adrian
was
also
talking
about
before,
just
because
we
want
to
have
more
impact
right
and
the
the
bct
token.
The
nct
token,
if
you
look
at
the
three
axes
that
I
showed
you
before,
they
are
bad
at
impact.
A
Miniscule
impact
right,
they're,
bad
at
yield,
because
they're
probably
not
going
to
be
sold
anyway
anymore
and
probably
not
to
a
higher
price,
and
then
they
are
very,
very
bad
at
liquidity
right
now,
so
it
just
like
this
is
a
bad
asset
in
general,
but
also
a
bad
green
asset.
I
I'm
still
very
happy
that
they
built
it
because
otherwise,
I
would
not
be
standing
here
right
anyway.
A
Futures
in
forward
have
like
the
the
chance
not
only
to
increase
the
impact,
because
you
can
actually
close
a
financing
gap
that
is
currently
in
the
market
and
projects
are
not
being
developed
because
of
that
financing
gap
and
on
the
other
hand,
so
you
have
more
impact,
but
you
can
also
have
yield
on
it,
because
we
assume
that
these
forwards
will
actually
appreciate
in
value
over
time
right.
So
if
I
buy
a
2026
vintage
today,
probably
if
I
hold
it
to
2026,
I
can
sell
it
for
a
profit.
A
So
this
is
why
I'm
I'm
very
bullish
on
on
futures
and
forwards,
then
the
next
one
is
ecosystem
credits.
We
talked
a
little
bit
about
that
and
I
also
see
familiar
faces
working
in
that
space,
about
biodiversity
credits,
about
water
credits,
about
a
different
kind
of
ecosystem
services
and
developing
credits.
There
is
a
a
part
of
the
refi
movement
which
is
basically
trying
to
commoditize
carbon
as
much
as
possible
so
that
one
carbon
really
equals
one
carbon
right.
A
But
when
we
do
that,
then
we
should
really
make
sure
that
we
also
bring
basically
credits
for
these
co-benefits
right,
these
so-called
co-benefits,
because
otherwise
we're
yeah,
comparing
the
comparison
just
doesn't
make
sense
and
doesn't
hold
up
to
do.
That,
though,
I
think
mrv
credits
are
a
very
interesting
form
of
natural
capital
and
then
we
can
discuss
again
like
how
does
it
work?
How
does
it
approve
in
value
over
time?
Does
it
appreciate
in
value
over
time
or
like
what
is
the?
A
A
Then
the
next
one
is
project
and
land
tokens,
so
you
can
basically
right
now
most
of
the
carbon
is
bought
from
the
spot
market
right
in
the
future.
It
might
be
more
bought
and
forwards
and
futures,
but
you
could
also
just
directly
invest
in
projects
tokenize
that
project
and
then
basically
earn
all
the
yield
that
that
project
earns
over
time.
A
Something
like
that,
because
renewable
energies
are
definitely
part
of
it.
And
especially,
if
you
look
at
like
co-location
projects
where
you
farm
raspberries,
for
example,
in
a
regenerative
way,
and
then
you
add
some
solar
panels
to
protect
the
raspberries
from
hail,
for
example
right.
So
you
can
combine
that
very
nicely
and
that's
why
we.
We
also
need
to
take
that
into
account
right,
not
only
for,
and
not
only
look
for
nature-based
solutions,
then
one
more
time,
one
more
thing
again,
biased
as
a
venture
capitalist.
A
I
think
one
of
the
the
sweet
spots
that
sits
right
in
the
middle
of
the
venn
diagram
that
I
showed
you
it's
actually
buying
like
region
token
right,
because
a
region
succeeds
it
has.
It
has
a
very
high
impact.
It
has
a
very
good
yield
and
it
is
going
to
be
very
liquid
right
and
so
investing
into
projects.
Token.
I
think
that
is
also
a
form
of
can
be
a
form
of
natural
capital,
depending
on
the
on
the
project
right.
A
A
I
think
the
second
order
effects
of
these
can
be
very,
very
positive,
and
so
I
I
want
to
have
more
experiments,
not
less,
and
I
want
to
them
to
be
web3
native,
and
I
want
them
to
yeah,
be
a
pseudo-anonymous
or
whatever
to
to
really
be
brave
and
just
try
out
new
things
and
fail
with
it.
If
necessary
or
succeed.
Have
you
do
well?
That's
it!
Thank
you
so
much.