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From YouTube: Dulce Orozco - Culture and Mental Health
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Join the GitLab Gente TMRG as we sit down for a fireside chat and mental health break with Dulce Orozco. Dulce will share insights from her field work as a therapist specializing in immigrants and underrepresented groups and give us some helpful tips anyone can use to improve their mental health.
Notes doc: https://docs.google.com/document/d/15zXBk0hbHZk1FUuSGfGIKp2F-Pr3ide73qxi8Js4eQM/edit
A
Well:
okay,
well,
we're
gonna
go
ahead
and
get
started.
Thank
you.
Everyone!
So
much
for
joining
us.
For
today's
session,
hosted
by
our
hinted.
Tmrg,
we
are
doing
a
Fireside
check.
We
are
taking
a
little
mental
health
break
because
I
for
one
could
certainly
use
it
and
we
are
talking
to
Dulce
we're
going
to
talk
a
little
bit
about
her
findings
as
as
her
work
has
given
her
some
really
interesting
insights
and
then
just
mental
health
in
general.
A
B
Thank
you.
Thank
you.
So
much
for
having
me
I
appreciate
your
time
and
energy
I
feel
that
that's
our
most
valuable
possessions,
so
thank
you
for
being
here
so
I
am
originally
I
was
born
and
raised
in
Venezuela
I
came
to
Boston
after
I
graduated
from
high
school.
The
idea
was
for
me
to
stay
here
for
the
summer,
learn
English
and
go
back
home.
That
I
ended
up
applying
for
a
scholarship
without
telling
my
parents
and
fast
forwarding,
22
years
later,
I'm
still
here.
B
They
actually
were
visiting
last
week
so
because
of
the
situation
in
Venezuela
I,
don't
know
how
much
you
know
about
the
situation
in
Venezuela
they're,
pretty
much.
You
know
scatter.
So
one
of
them
lives
in
Chile,
another
one
lives
in
Spain
and
there's
only
one
in
Venezuela.
So
it
takes
a
lot
of
orchestration
to
have
a
family
reunion.
B
I
feel
that
it
takes
a
lot
of
orchestration,
no
matter
what,
even
if
they
live
like
three
blocks
away
right.
So
I
guess
it's
just
like
an
extra
layer
when
it's
International
on
a
another
thing,
I
wanted
to
tell
you
about
myself.
Is
that
I'm
a
mom
of
two?
Yes
yeah?
So
you
know
about
the
situation.
Yeah
I
have
two
daughters.
They
are
six
and
four
they're
first
generation
Latinas
here
and
it's
very
interesting
for
me
working
a
lot
as
a
mental
health
counselor,
that's
what
I
am
so.
B
My
specialty
is
working
with
women
of
color
and
from
immigrant
families
on
individual
therapy
and
with
group
of
people
of
color
and
from
immigrant
families
like
yourself
on
a
group
setting.
So
it's
very
very
interesting
for
me
to
learn
and
hear
about
all
these
dynamics
that
happen
to
first
generation
Latinos
right,
because
let
alone
as
a
Latina
as
an
immigrant
but
as
a
mom
I'm,
like
you
know
like
it
kind
of
like
it,
makes
me
see
it
from
a
different
perspective.
A
No,
that's
that's
a
great
background
and
yes
you're,
absolutely
right.
It's
a
complex
situation
right
now
in
Venezuela,
so
I'm
glad
you
and
your
sisters
are
safe
and
we're
able
to
to
get
together.
It's
so
important
to
make
the
time
and
space
for
that.
So
so
you
landed
in
Boston
to
learn,
ended
up
staying
here
in
the
U.S.
As
far
as
as
your
professional
background,
what
made
you
decide
to
focus
your
work
on
the
mental
health
of
specifically,
you
know
immigrants,
women
of
color.
B
Psychology
wasn't
a
major
in
my
hometown,
so
I'm
from
the
I'm
from
a
town
called
San
Cristobal,
which
is
in
the
borderline
with
Colombia,
and
they
were
like
nope.
You
know
like
we
don't
have
it
as
a
major
back,
then
it's
not
as
common
in
many
Latin
American
countries
for
you
to
go
somewhere
else
to
study
it
happens,
but
it's
not
as
common
most
most
people
stay
in
their
Hometown
and
you
know
study
something
available
in
their
Hometown,
so
they
were
like
yeah.
You
know
like
why?
B
B
What
happened
was
that,
because
Spanish
is
my
first
language
working
in
Community,
Mental,
Health,
I
I
ended
up
working
with
immigrants
right
and
people
that
didn't
speak.
Spanish
and
I
saw
the
there
was
a
very
high
demand.
There's
always
been
a
very
high
demand
for
Spanish-speaking
therapist
and
it's
interesting
because
you
know
on
one
hand,
I
always
think
to
myself
there's
so
many
of
us
that
speak
Spanish,
and
yet
the
demand
is
so
high.
B
B
So
it
was
kind
of
like
putting
those
two
elements
together,
my
my
cultural
background,
more
than
language
itself,
because
I
really
don't
speak
English
with
many
of
my
clients,
but
it's
that
cultural
background
and
understanding
and
I
I
feel
I,
think
feeling
and
knowing
what
I
do
the
best
and
what
I
like
to
do
the
most.
So
it
was
kind
of
like
putting
those
pieces
together.
A
That's
super
interesting:
yeah
I
definitely
see
a
need
for
resources
in
languages
other
than
English,
so
that
makes
a
lot
of
sense,
and
especially
something
as
vulnerable
as
therapy
right
being
able
to
speaking
the
language
you're
most
comfortable
in
is
is
a
is
huge
and
having
those
cultural
ties
is
really
important
to
just
having
context
around
the
conversation.
So
that
makes
a
lot
of
sense.
So
what
are
some
of
the
common
challenges
your
clients
are
facing
due
to
those
cultural
backgrounds
upbrings?
A
B
I
would
love?
Oh
thank
you.
Yes
thank
you
Samantha.
So
Samantha
said
that
there's
a
little
bit
of
background
noise,
so
I
would
love
to
to
hear
from
you
in
the
chat
what
you
think,
if
you
identify,
if
you
feel
comfortable,
of
course,
but
it's
very
interesting
because
I
work
with
on
individual
therapy.
B
So
when,
when
you
look
at
this
woman
from
the
outside,
it
might
look
like
they
have
everything
together
right
and
yet
many
of
them
they
feel
like
they
do
not
belong,
which
it's
one
thing
that
can
happen
to
us
when
we
feel
that
we're,
like
kind
of
in
the
middle
of
two
different
cultures
right,
one
I'm,
very
visual,
so
I'm
gonna
use,
maybe
a
few
metaphors.
Let
me
know
if
that
resignates
or
not,
but
something
that
I
was
thinking
the
other
day.
B
Was
you
know
when
you
breathe
in,
and
we
do
this
all
the
time
right
like
we?
Do
it
without
really
thinking
about
it,
but
we
breathe
in
and
then
there's
a
pause
and
then
we
breathe
out,
and
it
feels
that
many
of
the
people
I
work
with
leaving
that
past.
So
they
don't
feel
that
they're
part
of
the
inhale
whatever.
That
is
for
you
and
they
don't
feel
that
they're
part
of
the
exhale
whatever
that
is
for
you.
B
It's
like
you
live
in
that
little
space,
that's
yours,
and
that
you
make
yours
that
you
don't
feel
like
you've
quite
belong
here
or
or
there,
maybe
because
you
don't
speak
Spanish
as
well
or
maybe
because
you're,
not
black
enough
or
white
enough
or
whatever.
It
is
enough
right.
So
feeling
that
you
don't
belong.
It's
one
that
I
constantly
see
with
the
people.
I
work
with
another
one
is
feeling
guilty:
Guild
is
and
I
don't
know.
B
If
any
of
you
really
I
relate
to
many
of
these
things,
that's
another
part
right
like
being
an
immigrant
myself
being
Latina
myself.
Being
all
these
things,
which
I
I
feel
that
I
have
a
lot
of
commonalities
with
the
people
I
work
with,
so
it's
it's
guilt
about
almost
everything
and
anything
if
that
makes
sense
guilt
about
having
more
than
people
around
you
guilt
about
those
sacrifices
that
people
made
for
you,
so
guilt
about
everything
right.
Does
that
make
sense
so
far.
C
A
Being
here
and
having
family
members
elsewhere,
where
there's
maybe
not
as
many
resources,
you
know
being
too
far
to
really
help
with
some
of
the
more
tactical
day-to-day
struggles
and
and
just
being
separated
is,
is
hard
but
yeah.
It's
almost
like
a
survivor's
guilt
that
sometimes
that
sometimes
occurs.
B
B
I
got
it
okay,
great
thank
you,
but
so
many
of
them
again
it's
kind
of
like
it's
on,
but
it
feels
like
they're
on
like
intertwined.
So
it's
hard
to
separate
some
of
them
and
I
want
to
make
clear
like
this
common
challenges.
Many
people
have
them,
but
yet
they
have
a
different
flavor
when
you
are
when
we're
talking
about
the
cultural
background,
so
feeling
like
you're
on
the
surf
or
imposter
syndrome,
is
you
know
when,
when
you
have
that
voice?
B
We
don't
know
how
to
do
it
and
then,
when
we
try
to
do
it
many
times,
the
response
we
get
from
people
around
us
is
not
the
best
right
like
they're
like
what
is
wrong
with
you,
you're
being
selfish
you're,
not
thinking
like
you,
don't
love
me
you're,
not
thinking
of
your
family
or
whatever,
whatever
else
it
might
be
going
on,
but
it
it
might
feel
that
you're
going
against
everyone.
You
know
when
you're
trying
to
set
boundaries
even
if
ultimately
you're
modeling
to
them.
You
know
what
like
this,
you
can
do.
B
This
too,
like
this
is.
This
is
something
that
you
can
do
as
well,
and
all
of
these
things,
like
the
feeling
like
you,
don't,
belong
feeling
guilty
feeling
like
you,
don't
deserve
difficulty
setting
boundaries
I
feel
that
all
of
this
makes
it
so
hard
for
us
to
think
of
ourselves.
First,
okay,
like
that
everything
that
we
hear
when
we
get
into
an
airplane-
and
yes,
it's
a
cliche,
but
it's
so
good
that
we
keep
using
it
right
culturally,
it
can
be
really
really
difficult
to
put
yourself
first,
because
of
all
these
challenges.
B
A
No
one
100,
it's
so
interesting.
It's
like
everything
you
bring
up
I'm
like
yep
check,
yep
that
also
like,
and
sometimes
you
don't
even
realize
it's
so
subconscious.
Oh
yeah
me
that
you
don't
realize
that
when
you
hear
it
out
loud
you're
like
oh,
my
gosh,
yes,
that's
that's
exactly!
There's
that
mirror!
There's
there's
those
words
that
I
didn't
even
realize
were
kind
of
sitting
there.
Yeah.
B
And
I
would
say,
pilad
and
I
know
you
know
we
wouldn't
eat.
You
know
more
time
to
dig
into
this,
but
if
we,
if
we
want
to
dig
even
a
little
deeper,
you
know,
there's
intergenerational
trauma
right
that
that
many
of
us
have
and
because
of
that
normalization
right
like
when
you
grow
up
around
it,
you
don't
know,
that's
not.
B
You
know
how
things
are
quote
unquote
supposed
to
be,
so
we
don't
know,
that's
not
normal
and
we
you
know
like
we,
we
get
used
to
it
and,
and
we
that's
you
know
we
tolerate
it.
We
make
our
lives
around
it,
and
yet
it
can
be
very
unhealthy.
So
many
of
the
people
I
work
with
have
some
type
of
intergenerational
trauma
or
like
I
know
that
word
can
create
a
lot
of
resistance.
D
I
want
to
do
touching
right,
you're
speaking
and
I'm
reflecting,
and
one
thing
that
would
like
to
touch
as
well
is
that
on
that
cultural
pool
that
ends
up
happening,
I
have
a
very
similar
background.
A
few
words
I
came
here
to
study,
end
up,
staying
right
and
then
now,
with
my
family
back
home,
there's
almost
like
I've
I've
learned
new
things,
I've
gotten
I've,
gotten
new
experiences,
right,
I've
learned
to
Value
different
things
right
and
then
now,
there's
almost
like
Jesus
Canyon
being
built
right.
D
B
D
B
B
B
Maybe
I
was
romanticizing
it,
but
yes,
I
am
sad
and
I
am
disappointed,
and
then
you
know
that
that
leads
me
a
little
bit
or
what
I'm
thinking
of
it's
have
you
heard
of
a
concept
of
code?
Switching
so
basically
I
know
that
some
of
you
are
not
in
so
basically
basically
code.
Switching,
it's
like
this.
The
way
I
see
it
is
a
coping
mechanism
and
it's
something
we
do
all
the
time
and
and
many
times
we
do
it.
It's
not
that
we
decide.
B
You
know
that
we
say:
okay,
I'm
gonna
code
switch
now,
but
it's
that
that
constant
change
that
keeps
happening
between
how
you
interact.
You
know
like
here
on
how
you
interact
with
your
family
and
how
and
we
do
this
constantly
right
and
and
and
I
the
way
I
see.
It
is
a
coping
mechanism,
because
it's
like
almost
like,
knowing
that
you
can
act
differently
right
like
know
when
and
then
you
know
a
part
of
me
and
I
understand
if,
if
that
leads
into
questions
about,
but
it
what
about
and
out
then
tip
authenticity.
B
Okay,
please
like
this
is
where
my
my
accent
comes
out.
So
I
struggle
with
that
word,
but
you
know,
but
what
about
being
authentic
and
isn't
that
you
know
like?
Are
you
being
true
to
yourself
and
I?
Think,
like
one
thing
that
I
I
often
remind
people
right
because
some
some
some
sometimes
one
of
the
questions
is
especially
when
there's
a
lot
of
resistance
about
therapy
right,
which
we
know
there's
a
big
big
stigma
in
you
know
therapy.
B
Unfortunately,
it's
not
as
well
received
in
many
latinx
families,
Latino
families,
so
I
I
tell
people
there's
there's
different
things.
We
can
do
right,
on
one
hand,
is
showing
them
what's
possible
by
example,
so
when
they
see
that
you're
doing
better
when
they
see
that
you're
happier
or
that
you're,
you
know
like
having
all
of
this
results,
you're
showing
them
that
it
is
possible.
On
the
other
hand,
you
can
spend
a
lot
of
time
and
energy
trying
to
convince
them
of
something
that
you
know
it's
not
possible
for
them.
B
So
it's
almost
like
this
fork
and
and
there's
a
point
where
you
have
to
make
a
decision
of
how
much
time
and
energy
do
you
want
to
put
into
this
and
I
know.
This
might
not
be
the
best
comparison,
but
I
think
that
something
similar
happens
when
you
decide
how
much
time
and
energy
are
you
gonna
put
into
this.
B
But
you
know
having
compassion
for
others,
knowing
that
they
were
doing
their
best
with
the
resources
they
had.
It's
so
important
and
also
compassion
towards
ourselves
right,
because
there
might
be
a
lot
of
guilt.
There
might
be
a
lot
of
I
wish.
I
knew
this
sooner
and
I
could
have
lived,
a
different
life
than
I
could
and
I
could
and
I
could
and
I
could
have,
and
I
could
have
so
practicing
and
having
self-compassion
with
ourselves
too.
It's
so
important,
so
so
important
and
also
knowing
that
we
don't
have
to
do
it
by
ourselves
right.
B
That's
another
part
of
that
that
can
be
a
cultural
component
like
I,
can
do
everything
and
I'm
strong
and
I
have
three
jobs
and
I
have
a
house
Queen
and
my
laundry,
which
is
not
true
by
the
way
but
like
you
know
like
this,
like
I,
can
do
everything,
but
knowing
that
you
can
ask
for
help
like
you,
you
you
don't
have
to,
we
don't
have
to
have
all
the
answers
when
it
comes
to
this
I.
Don't
know
if
I
answered
your
question.
No,
but
I.
D
B
And
that
can
be
also
another
cultural
component,
because
when
you
grow
up
thinking
that
you
have
to
take
care
of
everyone
right,
like
you
have
to
put,
everyone
needs
before
you're
owned
that
can
create
conflict.
When
you're
saying
like
wait
a
minute,
no
I
don't
need
to
take
care
of
this.
That's
not
my
responsibility.
I
I
cannot
make
them
change.
E
You
know
with
listening
to
Dulce
and
enugu.
One
of
the
things
that
really
also
resonated
with
me
is
that
I
feel
guilty
for
being
here
right
and
my
family
is
still
abroad
and
I
feel
very
guilty
that
at
times
that
I
don't
even
post
on
social
media.
What
I
do
anymore
because
I
feel
like
it's
just
creating
that
additional
Rift
right.
E
Like
oh
look
at
me,
I
went
to
a
concert,
or
you
know,
I
bought
a
pair
of
you,
know,
jeans
or
whatever
or
I'm,
going
on
vacation
with
my
family
I,
don't
post
anymore,
because
I
feel
like
they're,
I'm
being
judged,
but
I
made
my
own
decisions
and
you
know
I
I
don't
want
to
stop
living
and
not
sharing,
but
it's
a
hard
balance.
It
really
is.
D
One
thing
that
he
always
comes
to
my
mind
for
some
reason:
a
long
time
ago
my
sister
had
a
you
know.
She
has
a
sister-in-law
that
was
having
twins
right.
All
Latinos
are
probably
going
to
relate
to
this
and
then
I'm
going
back
home
for
Christmas,
and
my
sister
phones
me
and
says:
oh
hey,
could
you
please
bring
this
item
like
with
you
because
there's
like
the
import
taxes
stuff
and
you
know
how
expensive
everybody's
shaking
their
heads
here
right
and
then
and
then
she's
like?
Oh
yeah,
it's
no
big
deal.
D
D
A
That's
a
great
example,
and
that's
definitely
a
skill
set
I
need
to
build
boundaries,
saying
no!
Oh,
the
first
time,
I
said
no
to
my
mom.
That
was
hard,
but
some
of
these
requests
to
your
point.
Google
are
not
very
reasonable
and,
and
it's
hard
to
then
think
wait.
What
do
I
actually
need.
Does
this
actually
work
for
me?
What
kind
of
repercussions
is
it
going
to
have
for
me,
and
not
just
me
now,
but
my
family
as
well
right
to
like
rearrange
schedules
and
and
redo
all
these
things?
And
yes?
B
Yeah
and
it's
a
skill
right
like
it's,
it's
the
type
of
thing,
the
more
we
practice
it
I
wouldn't
say
it
gets
easier,
but
you
do
you
notice
what
works
for
you
and
also
people
need
to
hear
it
because
the
first
time
it's
like
oh
wait
like
that,
must
have
been
a
mistake
like
what
Uber
cannot
bring
like
the
twin
stroller.
Let
me
ask
him
again,
like
maybe
he
misunderstood
or
whatever
the
case
is
right.
So
it's
like
a
practice,
so
you
train
not
only
yourself,
but
you
train
others
that
no.
A
B
B
Yeah
so
I'm
I'm,
gonna,
say
a
few
things
and
please
know
that
the
most
important
thing
is:
how
can
you
make
it
your
own
right
like
how
you
can,
because
sometimes
I
don't
know
like
you
might
hear
of
people
that
wake
up
at
five
in
the
morning
and
you
know
like
and
and
that
works
extremely
good
for
them,
but
maybe,
if
you
try
to
wake
up
every
day
at
five
in
the
morning,
you'll
be
miserable.
So,
first
of
all
what
works
for
you
adapt
it
translated,
do
whatever
you
need
to
do.
B
You
know
yourself
the
best.
So
that
being
said,
how
can
you
connect
with
yourself
right
and
what
I
mean
by
that
is?
How
can
you
have
some
some
silence?
How
can
you
have
that
space
where
you
can
listen
to
yourself,
maybe
through
meditation
for
those
of
you
that
pray
through
prayer
through
exercise,
so
you
know
the
the
the
Avenue
can
be
different,
but
how
can
you
reach
to
that
destination
where
you
feel
that
you
have
connected
with
yourself?
B
How
can
you
take
passes
and
I
know
that
sometimes
that's
hard?
So
how
can
you
intentionally
make
space
for
those
past
passes
right,
like
maybe
like
throughout
meetings?
Can
you
can
you
move
them
around?
Can
you
actually
take
a
lunch
break?
Can
you
go
out
and
take
a
walk
but
intentionally
putting
it
into
your
calendar?
If
you
have
to
another
thing,
is
how
can
you
set
boundaries
right?
B
Many
of
us
were
working
from
home
and
maybe
we're
working
or
some
days
we
end
up
working
longer
hours,
so
it
doesn't
have
to
be
like
super
super
special.
It
can
be.
You
know
setting
an
alarm
at
five
and
reminding
yourself.
You
know
what
it's
time
to
like
finish,
so
that
type
of
boundaries
right
we
do
not
have
much
time
we
were
talking
about
how
time
is,
is
precious,
it's
valuable.
So
when
we
say
make
time
for
yourself,
sometimes
that
looks
challenging.
B
So
one
thing
I
would
invite
you
to
do
and
I
know
it
can
sound
a
little
I.
Don't
know
like
out
there
when
you
first
hear
about
it
is
how
can
you
use
what
you
already
have
and
make
the
best
out
of
it?
So
the
way
I
I
like
to
call
it
is
ritualizing
your
routines,
so
we
all
have
some
routines
things
that
we
do
all
the
time.
How
can
you
make
a
ritual
out
of
it
right
when
you
were
talking
about
connecting
with
yourself?
B
Taking
pauses,
sometimes
am
I
looking
to
you
know
when
you're
having
that
coffee
or
that
tea
setting
up
an
intention
to
start
out
the
day
or
when
you're
brushing
your
teeth
in
the
morning
visualizing?
What
would
be
the
best
version
of
today
or
when
we
those
things
that
you're
already
doing?
Can
you
add
up
some
intentionality?
A
B
You
know
when
you,
when
you
make
pasta
and
you
drain
the
pasta
and
you
like,
let
all
the
water
you
know
go,
and
you,
like
you
know
like
you.
The
result
is
that
you
have
the
pasta
with
gratitude.
It's
kind
of
the
same
when
you
practice
gratitude
you're,
forcing
yourself
like
just
by
by
saying
I'm
gonna
practice
gratitude
you're
already
making
the
decision
of
letting
all
the
negative
things
sleep
away,
and
you
you're
concentrated
on
the
positive.
That
would
be
the
pastor
right.
So
that's
that's
why
gratitude
is
so
so
powerful.
B
So
maybe
ending
your
day
practicing
gratitude
and
I
would
say
if
possible,
when
possible.
I
know,
that's
not
always
the
case,
but
not
just
thinking
about
it,
because
we
get
so
easily
distracted.
So
if
Pilar
asked
me
a
question
and
I
was
in
the
middle
of
thinking
about
three
things:
I'm
grateful
for
maybe
like
I
lost
focus
and
that's
it,
but
actually
write
it
down
when
we
write
it
down,
we're
more
likely
to
finish
the
sentence
or
like
to
go
back
to
it
so
practicing
gratitude.
B
B
This
can
look
like
the
way
I'm
thinking
about
help
is
all
around.
You
know,
like
one
type
of
help
can
be
therapy.
Another
type
of
help
can
be
a
babysitter.
Another
type
of
help
can
be
someone
that
cleans
your
house.
Another
type
of
help
can
be
deciding
to
take
your
clothes
to
the
dry
cleaner
today
because
of
whatever
reason,
or
you
know
like
ordering
takeout.
B
So
what
type
of
help
do
you
need,
and
can
you
give
yourself
permission
to
to
get
that
help
and
to
ask
for
that
help
without
assuming
that
people
should
already
know?
That's
another
thing
that
sometimes
we
do
right
so
asking
for
help
without
filters
which
I
know
that
it's
hard,
because
it
puts
out
in
a
very
vulnerable
position.
C
A
A
C
Right
so
I'm
still
in
my
native
country
and
thinking
about
moving
internationally
in
the
coming
year,
what
advice
would
you
give
someone
to
prepare
them
to
be
like
okay,
you're
going
to
be
in
a
new
culture?
What
what
do
you?
What
can
I
do
in
advance
now
to
make
this
process
easier
for
being
in
a
new
culture
being
separated
from
family
and
Community?
A
lot
of
the
points
you've
kind
of
talked
about
today
are
about
the
impact
that
these
things
have
on
people.
B
B
B
Can
you
let
them
know
what
you
need
and
can
you
be?
You
know
I
I,
do
think
that
sometimes
going
back
to
what
we
were
talking
with
Hugo
earlier
right,
like
when
someone
asked
me
this
morning,
how?
How
are
you
doing
right,
maybe
especially
at
the
beginning
I,
would
encourage
you
to
to
be
honest
with
yourself.
B
So
if
you
call
a
friend
that
is
back
in
your
in
in
whatever
you
used
to
leave,
many
people
want
to
protect
us
right,
like
the
people
that
love
us
usually
want
to
protect
us,
so
something
that
can
happen
and
that
I
see
happening
is
when,
when
you
try
to
tell
them
it's
like.
Oh
don't
worry
about
it.
It's
going
to
get
better
you're
awesome
people
are
gonna
love.
You
you're,
gonna
have
friends
in
no
time
like
it's
almost
like.
B
They
want
to
come
up
with
all
these
Solutions
and
and
they
don't
make
space
for
you
to
tell
them
so
I
would
encourage
you
and
I
know
that
you
cannot
do
this
with
everyone,
but
even
when
you
need
to
start
out
the
conversation
by
saying
something
like
and
you
don't
have
to
quote
me
because
I
know
that
you're
gonna
do
it
in
your
own.
Wonderful
way,
but
listen
like
Isabel
I,
just
want
you
to
know
that
all
I
need
for
you
right
now
is
to
listen
to
me.
B
B
Yeah
and
then
the
the
last
thing
I
would
say
is:
can
you
very
intentionally
incorporate
play
in
the
process
because
when
we
talked
about
them
moving
right
like
and
let
alone
a
different
country
like
there's
so
many
practicalities,
and
so
many
big
big,
big
big
things
that
that
go
with
it
and
that
are
part
of
it.
But
can
you
add
play
whatever
that
means
to
you?
A
Yeah,
those
are
great
suggestions
and
don't
forget
everyone,
you
can
always
participate
asynchronously
as
well.
If
you
have
any
thoughts
you
want
to
drop
in
the
notes
in
the
interest
of
time.
I
see,
we've
got
another
couple
great
questions
here:
I
want
to
make
sure
we
get
to
them
I'm,
going
to
go
ahead
and
move
on
to
the
second
one
from
Victor
and
I
see
Victor
you're
still
on
the
call.
Did
you
want
to
verbalize
your
question
for
Dulce.
F
B
I'm
a
big
Advocate
when
it
comes
to
therapy.
Of
course
you
know,
but
there's
other
ways
so
I
would
say
for
you.
What
can
you
do
to
take
care
of
yourself
and
I
would
say?
Can
you
be
selfish
and
I
know?
That's
you
know
that
word
in
general
has
a
very
negative
connotation
right
like
when
we
like
all
you
know
like
so
many
of
us
don't
be
selfish,
don't
be
selfish,
but
you
know
what
I'm
what
I
mean
by
that
is?
Can
you
think
of
yourself?
First?
B
B
You
know
places
where
there's
been
a
lot
of
violence,
but
something
that
sometimes
we
forget
right
is
that
for
some,
so
many
of
those
people
what
they're
going
through
it's
so
dramatic,
and
so
so
big
that
it
almost
was
like
you
know,
there's
very
specific
needs
that
need
to
be
met
at
that
moment,
and
that
can
be
something
like
figuring
out.
You
know
where
their
kid
will
go
to
school
or
figuring
out.
B
B
F
B
A
G
G
My
question
was
more
around
I
constantly
have
a
feeling
at
the
end
of
the
day
that
you
have
not
accomplished
all
of
your
goals,
like
you
weren't
as
productive
as
you
could
have
been,
and
I
wanted
to
know.
If,
if
that's
that
normal
feeling
or
is
that
something
then
maybe
I
need
to
work
on
and
what
is
because
I
always
you
know,
do
you
always
want
to
have
something
to
help
you
progress
to
incentivize
you,
but
how
much
is
good
and
how
much
is
not
good.
B
B
You
know
that
that's
a
sign
that
maybe
something
needs
to
change,
but
I
do
think
that
it
happens
to
so.
Many
of
us
I
know
that
you're
getting
some
comments
in
the
chat
and
I,
don't
know
who
else
relates
to
it,
but
I
completely
relate
to
it
and
I
actually
have
I.
Don't
have
it
with
me
right
now,
but
even
like
I
use,
visual
reminders
right,
like
that
says,
remember
you're
already
doing
enough.
A
You
yeah
thanks
for
the
question
Leo
and
thanks
for
those
tips,
visual
reminders,
that's
a
good
one
or
even
I.
Think
I
heard
on
a
separate
call
like
whenever
you
get
a
shout
out
at
work
or
you
know
in
the
thanks
Channel
or
when
someone
pays
you
a
compliment
like
collecting
those
keep
those
in
a
running,
Google,
doc
right,
then
you
can
go
back
and
look
and
remember:
oh
yeah,
it's
not
just
it's
not
just
me.
A
You
know
thinking
these
things,
there's
other
people
that
that
are
are
really
with
me
and
and
and
I
am
doing
enough.
So
that's
a
great
question.
Okay,
so
I
know
we
are
a
little
over
time.
Were
there
any
other
questions
that
are
not
in
the
doc
that
folks
wanted
to
ask
before
I
asked
one
final
question.
E
H
H
H
You
know
you
should
be
at
the
black
student
union
table,
so
there
were
a
lot
of
things
that
I
think
even
just
in
the
workplace
have
been
tough
in
that
sense,
because
visually
people
still
recognize
me,
even
though
my
last
name's
Cartagena
right,
so
it's
like
but
they'll,
pronounce
it
like
Cartagena
or
that
kind
of
thing.
So
my
I
guess
my
question
to
you
is
like:
are
we
as
a
society
as
a
in
a
place
and
kind
of
like
understanding?
The
Latinos
are
not
just
light-skinned
or
a
certain?
You
know?
H
H
C
H
That
kind
of
thing-
and
it's
just
kind
of
like
wow.
Why
can't
I
just
be
you
know
a
certain
so
again,
just
going
back
to
those
I
recently
went
to
a
doctor
appointment
and
he
was
Cuban
and
he
goes:
oh
you're,
a
black
Latina,
so
yeah,
but
these
are
all
things
that
I
think
you're
still
in
a
society
need
to
overcome.
H
I'm
comfortable
in
my
own
skin,
it's
just
that
I
feel
other
people
are
not
sure
where,
where
to
put
me
right
or
kind
of
understand,
and
when
you
were
talking
about
that
gray
area,
my
mom
is
Mexican,
you
know,
and
so
I
speak
Spanish.
And
when
people
hear
me
speak
Spanish,
it's
like
whoa,
but
you
don't
have
an
accent
yeah.
It's.
H
H
B
B
Would
it
be
okay
if
I
share
two
resources
really
quickly
Pilar,
so
two
things
I
want
to
give
you
one
is
there's
a
book.
It's
called
uncolonized
Latinas
by
Valeria,
aloe
I'm
gonna
write
it
in
the
chat.
She
is
absolutely
wonderful.
Thank
you
so
much
for
those
of
you
that
are
saying
bye,
but
she
talks
about
colorism
and
she
talks
about
how
we
don't
see
it
right,
like
as
a
privilege
like
those
of
us
that
are
white
Latinas
and
how
we
need
to
talk
about
it
right.
B
So
that's
a
wonderful
resource,
another
one!
It's
I,
don't
know
if
you've
heard
the
podcast.
That's
why
I'm
saying
I
I
feel
that
we
are
having
more
conversations
about
it,
but
at
the
same
time,
I
do
think
that
we
have
the
responsibility
of
continue
having
those
conversations
and
spreading
those
conversations
that
we
think
are
good
about
it
there's
a
part.
B
That's
called
hello
Latina
and
she
had
the
diversity
and
inclusion
precedent
or
vice
president
of
LinkedIn,
who
is
an
afro-latina
and
she's
gay
and
she
is
Dominican
and
she
was
wonderful,
so
I
do
think
that
we're
having
more
conversations
about
it,
but
it
definitely
needs
it
needs
more
work
and
and
I
do
think
that
also
recognizing
that
you're
not
alone
right
like
that
which
I
feel
it's.
It's
such
a
big
from
Puerto
Rico.
Thank
you,
Alejandro,
not
from
the
Dominican
Republic,
but
but
I
do
think
that
many
of
us
we
feel
better.
B
When
we
know
oh
wait,
that's
not
just
me
right,
like
that's
the
the
healing
power
of
groups,
so
that's
not
to
say
that
I'm,
not
comparing
your
experience
to
anyone
else's,
but
I
do
think
that
having
these
conversations
and
listening
to
these
experiences
can
be
so
so
powerful.
So
those
are
two
things
that
I
can
think
of,
but
I
want
to
think
that
we
are
that
at
least
there
are
these
conversations
because,
to
be
honest
with
you,
I
I,
don't
remember
having
or
listening
to
these
conversations
five
six
four
years
ago
right.
B
A
A
Thank
you
for
everyone
who
who
hung
on
past
time
we'll
be
sure
to
share
these
notes
and
the
last
question
I
had
we
can
do
asynchronously
so
I'll,
send
it
to
you
via
email
and
and
thank
you
again.
Everyone
I'll
get
the
recording
up
as
well,
for
those
who
were
unable
to
join,
be
well
take
care
and
have
a
wonderful
rest
of
your
day.
Thank.