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From YouTube: Meet the Tanukis 1.10: Hannah Sutor
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In this episode of Meet the Tanukis, we talk with Hannah Sutor, Senior Product Manager of Auth at GitLab!
1:52 - Pj!
3:24 - Hannah!
4:23 SSH key jokes from Pj
5:11 Hannah's history
10:16 Hannah realizes how much she likes APIs
11:20 Hannah reaches GitLab
12:37 "look back and see how the pieces ... were working in your favor"
13:23 Identity at GitLab
15:05 Data used to flag suspicious behavior
16:30 User interactions/ requested features
18:30 identity outside of "Logins" and tech
22:15 Identity in the REAL world
24:43 Creativity in tech
27:27 Hannah giving back to classrooms
30:13 advice to younger tech folks
31:29 thank you!
A
A
B
I,
don't
know
about
y'all
but
Florida's
hot
right
now,
heat
waves
all
over
and
my
air
conditioning
broke
today.
So
if
you
hear
this
off
to
the
side
today,
that's
my
fan,
keeping
me
cool.
So
if
I
look
a
little
shiny
today,
you'll
have
to
excuse
me
welcome
to
meet
the
tanookies,
the
show
where
we
get
to
know
the
people
working
at
git
lab
and
making
gitlab
such
a
great
place
and
such
a
fantastic,
wonderful
company.
B
They
pay
me
to
say
that.
Well,
they
don't
pay
me
to
say
that,
but
they
pay
me
to
say
things,
and
it
includes
things
like
that.
I'm
very
excited
for
today's
show
it's
actually
going
to
be
a
little
bit
like
shorter
than
you
might
be
used
to
for
those
of
you
who
watch
all
the
time
for
our
dozens
of
fans
out
there.
We
are
going
to
be
talking
to
someone
very
awesome
today.
B
I'm
very
excited
one
of
the
first
people
that
kind
of
came
to
me
for
wanting
to
be
on
the
show
and
that
I
didn't
have
to
go
out
like
begging
for
like
I
did
a
show,
and
this
person
showed
up
was
like
hey
I
think
this
could
be
really
cool
and
I
was
like
I
agree.
This
will
be
really
cool,
so
I
don't
need
to
do
a
lot
of
banter
I.
Don't
need
to
do
a
lot
of
introducing
myself.
B
You
know
me
I'm
PJ
meds,
at
medicine
around
on
Twitter,
at
messing
around
on
Twitch
messing
around
everywhere
and
I'm,
so
excited
to
talk
to
my
guest
today
and
honestly.
I
kind
of
just
want
to
like
get
right
into
it
like
well.
I'm
I'm,
hot
I'm,
sweaty,
I'm,
shiny
you're,
gonna,
see
it
you're
gonna
love
it,
but
today
we
have,
on
the
show
very
special
guest
Hannah
sooner
oh
wait.
I
have
a
sound
for
this.
B
Love
it
hi
Hannah,
it's
very
exciting.
Whenever
there's
a
reggae
horn
involved,
it
means
it's
a
better
time
right,
Hannah
first
off.
Thank
you
for
coming
on.
Thank
you
for
agreeing
to
do
this.
Thank
you
for
seeking
it
out
and
and
coming
to
me
and
being
like
I've
got
stuff
to
talk
about
and
I
was
like
well,
I've
got
a
platform,
so,
let's
start
out
real
simple,
introduce
people
who
are
you?
What
do
you
do
at
gitlab.
C
B
B
B
Did
have
I
realized
something
about
my
my
local
work.
I
was
trying
to
work
locally
and
push
to
repos
for
work,
and
it
never.
Let
me
do
it.
It
was
like
you,
don't
have
access,
and
my
brain
was
like
why?
Why
why
and
then
I
figured
out
that
I
was
trying
to
use
the
same
SSH
token
for
work
and
personal
and
personal
was
A-Okay
with
it.
The
work
was
not,
and
so
I
had
to
start
from
scratch.
B
C
Well,
that's
a
big
question,
so
I
graduated
from
school
with
a
with
a
technical
degree,
so
my
degree
is
in
information.
Science
in
high
school
I
was
on
high
school
newspaper,
I
was
copy
editor
and
then
I
also
put
up
our
first
ever
School
newspaper
website,
and
this
was
kind
of
like
back
in
the
day
when
it
wasn't
quite
so
trivial
to
put
up
a
website
and
I
won
a
state
award
for
putting
up
the
website
and
looking
back
on
it.
C
It
kind
of
seems
like
maybe
that
was
foreshadowing,
but
at
the
time
I.
Just
kind
of
thought
of
that
was
a
thing.
I
did
and
I
had
no
interest
really
in
Tech,
so
I
was
thinking
about
going
to
school
for
either
journalism
or
Pharmacy.
So
two
very
different
things
journalism
because
I
like
writing.
Pharmacy,
because
hey
I
heard
there's
money
there
I
need
to
make
money.
So
it
was
like
very
practical
versus
what
I
enjoy.
A
C
Right
I
ended
up
going
into
school
undecided
and
whenever
you're
undecided,
they
make
you
take
a
bunch
of
different
electives
to
kind
of
try
to
help.
You
figure
out
where
you
want
to
go.
I
ended
up
needing
to
take
one
that
was
on
in
Tech,
so
I
took
information.
Science,
101
I
had
an
awesome
female
Professor
who,
still
to
this
day,
when
I,
have
the
chance
to
give
her
a
shout
out
on
International
women's
day
or
whatever
I
do,
because
she
probably
doesn't
even
know
it.
C
But
she
changes
the
course
of
my
life
in
terms
of
kind
of
talk
to
us
about
how
Tech
is
a
lot
of
people
and
it's
not
just
technology,
it's
not
just
coding,
but
it's
interacting
with
people,
understanding
the
need
behind
what
they
say
and
translating
that
into
something
that
can
be
delivered
via
technology
really
resonated.
And
then
she
also
gave
the
the
the
facts
about
sort
of
their
job
placement
rate
after
graduation
and
the
average
starting
salary-
and
you
know
I
kind
of
thought
hey.
C
I
kind
of
reached
lead
QA
about
two
years
after
I
graduated
and
thought
like
is
this
it
like?
Surely
they're,
surely
there's
more
like
I
I'm,
always
looking
for
the
next
challenge
and
sometimes
that's
a
double-edged
sword.
But
I
was
kind
of
looking
for
the
next
thing
to
do
and
I
thought
hey,
I'm
gonna
ask
I
was
I,
was
out
of
I
moved
from
Consulting
into
a
full-time
job
like
you
know,
I
guess
a
regular
salaried
employee
and
after
I
did
about
a
year
of
leading
QA.
C
There
I
asked
if
I
could
code
and
they
said
sure
and
I
was
kind
of
I
didn't
get
any
ramp
up
time.
But
I
was
just
kind
of
expected
to
learn
on
the
job
and
I
spent
about
two
years
doing
software
engineering
writing
code
and
then
at
that
same
company
I
kept
asking.
Why
like?
Why
are
we
building
this
feature?
C
Like
can
I
come
into
the
customer
meeting
and
understand
what
the
customer
is
actually
saying,
because
I
felt
like
at
that
time
product
wasn't
as
much
of
a
Big
Field
like
some
little
companies
like
the
one
I
was
at
they
didn't
have
product
managers
and
so
kind
of
over
time.
I
started
asking
why
too
much
and
got.
C
Customer
facing
role
ended
up
in
product
and
sort
of
feel,
like
that's,
been
a
great
fit
for
me
ever
since
I
will
say
how
I
got
into
identity.
Specifically,
is
a
few
leaps
into
my
product.
Career
I
ended
up
working
on
a
cloud
platform
team,
and
so
I
was
the
product
manager
for
API
products.
They
don't
have
a
front
end
and
actually
I
kind
of
really
like
that,
because
front
end
to
me,
and,
like
seems
trivial,
you
know
I
know
it.
I
know
it's
important,
but.
B
There's
a
lot
of
reasons
it
has
to
exist
absolutely,
but
I
think
I.
Think
I
understand
what
you
mean.
The
idea
of
like
developers
being
like
yeah
like
yeah
front
end,
and
also
it
gets
confusing.
Really
fast.
I
had
to
do
some
CSS
the
other
day,
and
it
took
me
hours.
I
was
like
I
was
beside
myself,
but
the
fun
stuff
does
seem
to
be
apis
and
back
end
and
sort
of
like
getting
your
hands
real
deep
into
like,
like
the
the
logic
of
it
all
right.
C
C
Yeah,
yes,
so
I
ended
up
on
a
cloud
platform
team
which
I
liked
ended
up
switching
jobs
again
and
going
to
Cloud
platform,
but
this
Cloud
platform
rule
also
included
their
identity,
product
and
so
I
took
that
on
and
really
started
to
dive
into
the
world
of
identity
and
then
ended
up
at
get
lab
after
they
reached
out
to
me
with
because
of
my
identity
experience.
Okay,
we're
looking
for
identity
pm
and
I've
always
wanted
to
work
at
git,
lab
I.
C
B
Super
exciting
and
first
off
to
be
like,
like
welcome,
which,
by
the
way,
I'm
pretty
sure
you
worked
here
longer
than
me
but
like
to
finally
get
to
the
place
that
you've
wanted
to
go.
Is
such
a
fantastic
feeling:
I
love
how
your
journey
went
so
many
different
directions
and
it
all
started
because
you
built
a
website
when
you
were
in
high
school
and
I.
B
So,
first
off
congrats
on
your
high
school
award.
Oh
thanks,
which
it
sounds
dismissive
but
like
that's,
that's
hard
work
and
that's
really
cool
and
I.
Think
it's
it's
exciting
because
it
did
give
you
this
path
that
you
might
not
have
otherwise
considered.
You
said
at
the
time
you're
like
yeah
whatever,
but
without
that
little
experience
the
teacher
of
information
systems
that
meant
so
much
to
you
might
not
have
resonated
with
you,
because
you
wouldn't
have
had
that
backlog
that
background
yeah.
C
B
I
I
think
the
older
I
get
the
more
Robert
Frost
poem
to
Rhodes
diverged
and
it
wouldn't
make
sense.
Yes,
it's
it's
something.
I
I've
constantly
quoted
it
with
my
my
podcast
that
my
friend
that
I
have
I'm
constantly
talking
about
it
to
people
I
used
to
teach
it.
It
was
my
favorite
all
right,
so
you
get
to
gitlab
after
being
recruited,
which
is
also
a
nice
feeling.
They
said
hey.
We
like
what
you're
doing.
B
C
Yeah,
so
identity
at
git
lab
is
sort
of
it's
a
lot
of
security,
honestly,
because
it's
very
important
to
make
sure
that
our
identity
ecosystem
here
at
gitlab
is
is
of
the
of
the
utmost
importance
right.
We
can't
afford
any
security
breaches.
We
can't
afford
our
customers
having
any
security
breaches.
So
how
I
see
what
we
do
is
we
provide
a
toolkit
for
the
people
who
administer
gitlab,
so,
let's
say
you're
setting
up
gitlab
at
your
company
you're,
adding
users.
C
B
And
that's
the
balance
that
you
have
to
strike
between
making
sure
that
developers
are
able
to
get
in
and
do
the
work
that
they
need
to
do,
but
also
that
it
keeps
out
people
who
should
be
in
there.
I.
Imagine
that's
very
difficult
and,
like
you
said,
every
industry,
every
company
has
different
needs
with
that.
The
Army
you
know
the
like
the
US
Army
cyber
school
and
the
Air
Force
have
very
different
needs
from
a
startup
of
10
people.
You
know
right.
C
C
Someone
still
does
get
through
and
a
credential
becomes
compromised.
We
first
need
to
make
sure
that
the
last
radius
of
that
leaked
credential
is
as
small
as
possible,
but
also
can
we
immediately
turn
off
their
access?
Can
we
block
them?
Can
we
ban
them?
Can
we
suspend
them
from
cloning,
the
same
repo
20
times
in
10
seconds,
because
that's
weird,
you
know
we're.
C
B
B
B
Wild
and
so
like,
it's
that
finding
that
balance
between
making
sure
who
has
access,
who
needs
it
and
and
who's
out
who
doesn't
do
you
work
with
with
customers
directly?
You
said
recently
that
you
were
like
looking
into
how
users
are
using
it
together,
like
data
to
see.
What's
best,
do
you
have
like
user
requests
that
you
ever
see
or
people
who
want
something
different
or
more?
What
does
that
look
like.
C
Yeah
I'd
say
our
most
requested
feature
right
now
is
that
we
have
five
static
roles
in
git
lab.
So
whenever
you're
set
up
as
a
user
you
automatically
get
or
by
your
administrator,
get
assigned
one
of
those
static
roles
and
each
one
of
those
roles
has
a
list
of
permissions
of
what
they
can
and
can't
do
within
git
lab
right,
we've
seen
a
lot
of
requests
for
hey
I
want
to
make
my
own
custom
roles
right.
B
That's
got
to
be
I
mean
that
sounds
like
if
I
were
a
user
and
it
was
like
Hey
I
want
to
bring
this
person
in
I
want
them
to
be
able
to
view
the
code,
but
I
don't
want
them
to
be
able
to
contribute
to
it.
I
want
them
to
be
able
to
pull
but
not
push.
Having
like
a
checklist,
you
can
be
like
custom,
roll
and
sort
of
check
that
does
sound
great,
but
on
the
get
lab
side
of
things
that
sounds
really
hard
to
create
and
Implement
yeah.
C
That's
where
that's,
where
we're
at
with
it
right
now
done
a
lot
of
validation,
and
we
have
everything
drafted
up
in
terms
of
how
it's
going
to
look
and
feel.
But
we
have
our
technical
constraints
and
I
think
anyone
in
software
understands
that
these
sometimes
Run,
Deep
and
they're
not
easy
to
untangle.
B
So
when
we're
talking
about
identity,
I
feel
like
within
identity,
often
it's
not
spoken
about
in
in
the
business.
The
way
we
talk
about
it
at
git
lab,
where
it's
like
proving
you
are,
who
say
you
are
have
you
ever
worked
with
or
or
been
a
part
of
any
studies
or
gone
to
a
conference
where
they've
talked
about
identity
outside
of
like
Tech
and
outside
of
software,
where
it's
more
like
like
the
way
driver's
licenses
work
or
like
biometric
stuff
like
have
you
ever
done
any
work
with
that.
C
C
It
was
a
really
interesting
sort
of
tension
at
this
conference
with
this
company
called
World
coin.
That
is
going
around
with
this
little
silver
sphere
that
they
have
that's
called
the
orb
and
it
scans
people's
retinas
and
they're
primarily
doing
this
in
third
world
countries
under
the
promise
of.
If
we
scan
your
retina,
that's
your
credential
to
access
your
world
coin,
which
is
a
kind
of
cryptocurrency,
but
isn't
worth
anything
right
now,
but
the
hope
is
that
hey,
eventually
it
will
be,
and
so
that
was
controversial.
C
So
that
was
really
interesting
and
another
thing
is
blockchain
like
if
I
had
a
dime
for
every
time,
someone
said
blockchain,
but
people
are
really
excited
about
digital
identity.
On
the
blockchain
and
having
no
one
place
be
the
single
source
of
truth,
but
instead
having
your
identity
be
validated
on
the
blockchain,
it
would
make
identity
a
lot
harder
to
steal.
C
It's
a
lot
better
for
privacy.
In
terms
of
who
owns
your
data
and
right
now
we
give
a
lot
of
our
identity
data
to
anything
we
log
into,
or
we
blindly
click
the
consents
and
who
knows
where
our
personal
information
is
really
going.
So
I
think
everyone's
really
excited
about
the
Privacy
implications
for
decentralized
identity.
B
Yeah
and
that's
that's
mostly
what
I,
when
I
hear
about
the
the
positives
about
what
blockchain
can
do
outside
of
crypto
outside
of
nfts,
which
I've
never
seen
anything
fall
off
the
face
of
the
Earth
as
quickly
as
nmt's,
dude
kind
of
interesting
to
see
that
happening,
I
know
I.
It
went
from
like
almost
everything
on
my
Twitter
feed
to
like
I
have
to
like
look
for
it
now,
but
that's
besides
the
point.
B
There
is
an
excitement
around
new
technology
and
the
way
the
new
technology
gets
used,
implemented,
there's
always
a
sort
of
like
the
first
way.
It's
tried
the
next
way
it's
tried
and
then
there's
the
way
that
sticks
and
you
have
to
stick
around
to
see
the
way
it
sticks
and
identity
seems
like
an
interesting
thing
that
can
that
it
can
be
used
for
and
certainly
I
think,
a
a
net
positive
if
it's
used
correctly,
but
gosh
you're
right
about
all
the
ways
that
we
consent
to
our
data
being
used.
B
I
can't
tell
you
how
many
times
out
of
a
desire
for
expediency,
I
just
accept
every
single
cookie,
I,
don't
think
I've
ever
adjusted
those
settings
when
I
go
to
a
website.
It's
like.
Do
you
I'm,
like
yeah,
absolutely
track
me
wherever
I,
don't
care,
I
know
Chipotle
app.
You
can
see
where
I
am
at
all
times.
That's
fine!
It's
fine
yeah,
but
yeah.
That
idea
of
like
of
identity
in
the
real
world
within
Tech.
That's
that's
kind
of
the
new.
Where
are
we
going
and.
C
C
B
A
B
For
for
most
of
human
history,
to
identify
who
you
are
you
had
this
physical
object
that
proved
it
and
now,
as
we
entrench
ourselves
ever
further
into
the
digital
world,
it
can't
really
be
just
that
anymore.
So
it's
it's
kind
of
interesting
that
you
said
they
were
there
to
learn,
rather
than
to
say
here's
how
it
should
be
done.
It
was
like.
A
A
B
Dope
pretty
dope,
so
one
of
the
things
you
and
I
talked
about,
and
one
of
the
things
that
your
background
in,
like
wanting
to
be
a
journalist
and
writing
and
the
only
you
made
a
website
was
for
journalism.
Stuff
is
the
idea
of
creativity.
We
talked
about
this
before
the
show
and
what
creativity
really
means
and
I'd
love
to
hear
your
take
on
creativity
within
Tech.
How
can
this
be
a
creative
field?
I
thought
it
was
all
just
like
code,
which
is
very
straightforward.
You
know.
So
how
are
we
creative
within
Tech.
C
Yeah,
that's
a
great
question,
and
this
is
something
I
think
someone
would
have
told
me
earlier.
Just
the
creative
opportunities
that
do
that
do
reside
in
Tech
and
I
go
to
high
school
and
middle
middle
schools
and
I
speak
in
terms
of
tech
careers
and
trying
to
inspire
the
younger
generation
to
join
Tech
and
kind
of
the
one
exercise
I
do
is
we
I
have
them
take
a
personality
test
and
then
we
kind
of
map
the
outcomes
of
their
personality
tests
with
different
jobs
in
Tech
and
I.
C
Think
I
have
only
about
eight
or
so
different
sort
of
General
jobs,
tech
jobs
on
my
list,
but
it
kind
of
helps
the
kids
understand
hey.
If
this
is
something
this
aspect
of
my
personality
could
be
useful
in
Tech
and
the
way
I
see
Tech
is
instead
of,
like
you
know,
paints
or
writing
words
or
whatever
your
creative
medium
would
be
is
that
ours
is
through
either
writing
code
or
making
ux
decisions
or
in
product
really
listening
to
customer
needs.
A
C
The
message
is
that
you
really
can,
in
Tech,
like
on
a
daily
basis,
create
something
from
nothing.
I
see
features
every
day
that
my
developers
designed
that
didn't
exist
yesterday
and
then,
tomorrow,
they're
gonna
go
be
used
by
thousands
of
people,
so
from
from
nothing
to
something
I
think
is
really
cool
and
not
something
that
every
job
gives
you
yeah.
B
Exactly
and
the
idea
of
creating
something
new
which
is
when
I
think
about
like
art
movements
and
when
I
think
about,
like
you,
said,
painting
music
writing,
there
seems
to
be
a
desire
to
create
something
that
can
be
universally
experienced,
but
is
also
something
thing
new
and
hasn't
been
done
before
and
that
desire
for
uniqueness,
So
within
code.
You
get
that
opportunity
all
the
time
and
in
Tech
it's
constantly
there
yeah.
C
And
I
don't
think
you
have
to
necessarily
be
heads
down
writing
code
in
order
to
produce
that,
because
it's
all
teamwork,
there's
so
many
inputs
onto
the
final
project,
final
product-
that
it's
definitely
not
just
writing
the
person.
The
person
writing
code
that
has
that
experience
of
taking
something
from
nothing
I
think
it's.
The
entire
team
yeah.
B
Absolutely
I
love
that
you
are
going
and
talking
to
like
young
students,
because
I
immediately
thought
about
how
it
took
a
woman
teaching,
Information
Systems
courses
in
your
life
that
made
you
even
think
it
was
a
possibility.
Have
you
realized
that
you
might
be
the
woman
for
some
for
some
young
girl
in
in
the
classes
that
you're
talking
to.
C
Well,
that's
the
hope.
You
know
I'm
I
mainly
do
it
from
just
the
angle
of
giving
back
right,
because
I
feel
like
Tech
has
been
a
really
good
career
for
me
and
I've
switched
paths
a
lot
in
Tech
and
no
matter
which
way
I've
switched
I've,
always
felt
pretty
supported
and
there's
always
been
opportunities,
so
I
feel
like
I.
I
owe
the
universe,
something
in
terms
of
giving
back
a
bit
and
helping
others,
hopefully
on
their
journey
to
Tech.
C
B
Yeah
spreading
that
positivity
and
letting
people
know
it's
possible.
The
only
reason
I
got
into
it
is
because
someone
told
me
they
thought
it
was
possible
so
doing
that
for
younger
people
showing
them
that
the
career
options
is
not
just
write
code
that
there's
a
variety
of
ways
to
get
into
Tech
is
super
very
important.
I
think
it's
fantastic,
that
you
do
that
I
can't
I
can't
say
enough
good
things
about
how
much
of
an
angel
of
a
person
you
apparently
are.
C
Oh
I,
don't
know
about
that.
I
know
one
one
day:
I
did
a
entire
day
of
a
teacher's
schedule.
I
spoke
to
her
every
class
and
I
think
she
had
like
six
classes
and
by
the
end
of
the
day,
I
collapsed
into
bed
and
I
had
no
voice
and
I
was
like.
This
is
what
teachers
do
every
day.
Oh
my
gosh,
how
do
you
do
it?
I've
never
been
invested
in
my
life,
so
I
it
made.
It
totally
gave
me
more
gratitude
for
teachers
and
how
exhausting
of
a
job
that
is
yeah.
B
Someone
is
not
interested
in
what
you
have
to
say
and
that's
fine.
It
happens
Hannah.
This
has
been
super
super
cool
I
feel
like
the
kind
of
I'd
like
to
ask.
Maybe
a
final
word
from
your
final
piece
of
advice.
Since
you
are
going
around
to
all
these
students
and
talking
about
tech
and
trying
to
make
sure
people
know
what
options
are
available,
what
is
some
advice
that
you
would
give
to
someone
who's
just
getting
started
in
Tech,
looking
for
a
career
or
who's,
even
younger
wondering
if
they
might
be
into
it.
C
I
think
my
advice
would
be
that
the
barrier
to
entry
is
low
and
as
long
as
you
have
the
drive
to
teach
yourself
and
learn,
there's
so
many
resources
out
there.
There's
courses
you
can
take
for
free,
there's
stuff
that
has
scholarships
I
would
advise
rather
than
thinking
about
it,
dip
your
toe
into
it.
Try
it
there.